They use a similar system currently on LNG ships, the LNG is stored at minus 160 C at just above atmospheric pressure, as the LNG boils off the gas is used to fire the boilers for the steam turbines the boil off process also keeps the liquid in the liquid state. The process is proven and works, the issue obviously is making it light enough to be carried by a plane
This may sound crazy but in the mid 90 s a guy developed a oxygen hydrogen separator known as the hydro star. It is made of lightweight plastic and makes hydrogen on demand from water. I have the original plans for this device on a CD. My second thought after this was to fly through rainstorms and collect water while flying to increase the range of your H powered plane. Food for thought?
It doesn't sound crazy, just like a simple scam, like many other "water energy"-scams (Perhaps most famous: Stanley Meyer's water powered car). You always need more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you can get back by oxidizing the hydrogen back into water. If you have a powerful energy source on the plane, you will better use it directly for propulsion.
the shot of two adult men sitting in a wooden mockup with crash helmets on is priceless. The only thing missing was the camera crew making airplane noises :)
The hydrogen powered yacht Energy Observer has already traveled around the world so why not? And if the hydrogen is generated from renewable sources like wind energy and solar then even better.
The Energy Observer was a completely different case, since it was a solar powered ship in the first place. Batteries and hydrogen were just buffer storage, not the actual energy supply. And a ship doesn't go down in case of power outage. However, it should be doable. The Rutan Voyager did it in 1986 with internal combustion engines and gasoline. So why not Climate Impulse with a fuel cell electric powertrain in 2028?
Little does Bertrand know, his future great grand son, Jean-Luc, will be the captain of a spaceship. They'll also bear a striking resemblance to each other.
Wouldn't it be more practical to use Ammonia as the hydrogen source, it is liquid at normal pressures & temperatures so wouldn't need a high pressure cryogenic container.
Converting Ammonia back to Hygrogen is another process in Itself . Ammonia Cracking.. Uses Heat, Some complicated device and Cooling down of Hydrogen back to its high pressure required,etc
Normal pressure means atmospheric pressure and then ammonia is a gas. But it turns into liquid at much more moderate pressure and/or temperature than hydrogen. Anyway, liquid hydrogen is not stored at high pressure, it's atmospheric pressure but very very cold.
@@Y2Kvids Don't need to convert ammonia to hydrogen to use in a fuel cell which is what they are planning to use for power, also don't need to convert ammonia to use in combustion, ammonia is more practical way to carry and use hydrogen.
The main issue is to produce hydrogen and freezz it => it required a lot of energy (far more than the energy stored in the final system). In FR, this energy is ~70% Nuclaire (not 100% carbon free due to the full logistic of this industry).
@@Y2Kvids carbon fiber impregnated with epoxy is all a residue of the petrol industry, since you did not know that yet. During construction all of that gets vacuum wrapped in plastic which will all turn into an enormous amount of waste during the construction phase. So please educate your viewers about this. Giving the end product the shape of a sailing vessel, does not make this ecofriendly. Even sails are petrol residue! Cheers
??? The plane won't have an on-board hydrogen production unit, this wouldn't make sense. It will be filled before the start and fly around the world with this single filling.
@@701983 exactly... they just need large enough batteries to take off and then get to altitude and then I'm thinking they will basically ride the jet streams for the most part. They can charge the batteries while they are doing that since they will essentially just be a glider. They will need to worry more about boil off earlier in the flight which is when they will produce the most amount of power. After that it would just be monitoring the tank pressure and open and close a valve to let off pressure by feeding the fuel cell. If the battery gets full then they just use a bit more power to maybe climb a bit.
Actually, I would have preferred a solar/hydrogen powered airship (fully rigid) instead. And an anniversary flight around the world in the year 2029, hundred years after the "Weltfahrt" of LZ 127. But regarding future viability, a plane is better of course. There might be regular passenger transport with fuel cell electric planes some day. At least for shorter distances, with acceptable flight time with low speed. Perhaps other propulsion systems with hydrogen fuel as well.
Hydrogen is dangerous on rockets because of the rocket engines and how hydrogen leaks too easily because of its atomic footprint. Although if used in cars or planes it is far safer because Hydrogen does not linger when it leaks. It shoots straight up at 40mph. Leaks are still a challenge.
Why don't they use the solid state hydrogen that Bob Lazar used in his car? 🤔 The fuel was safe and didn't release until it was heated, producing the needed volume of gas on demand.
By solid state, do you mean H2 molecules that are bound to aluminum hydride? That's what Bob Lazar was demonstrating in an old video. They've moved on since then to experiment with carbonized keratin as a binding agent to H2. It looks like any of this hasn't been adopted even though it greatly enhances the safety of H2 storage.
@@JGL841 Yes! 🙏 Thanks for adding the details! 👍 What a cool technology. Is there a paper that talks about the advances you mentioned, or was that also part of Bob Lazar's research? I'll do some searching ✌️ EDIT: University of Delaware published something about it in 2009
@orpheuscreativeco9236 Just Google "Keratin for H2 storage" or "Carbonized Keratin for H2 storage". You should find plenty of articles on it. Aluminum Hydride was experimented with as an H2 binding agent a long time ago (1950s perhaps). The problem, as Lazaar pointed out, was a special process to make Aluminum Hydride that needed a very difficult to get federal government permission. Probably why it was abandoned for Keratin. Sorry, I have no sources for you. I just Googled it to find out.
If anything goes wrong they just release the hydrogen. Also hydrogen is most likely safer than jet fuel. Jet fuel is heavy so it would end up actually catching on fire and exploding. Hydrogen is very light so if there is any issue where it leaks it gets away from the plane.
How much energy is required to create the hydrogen fuel? Is that energy carbon neutral? Attempts to create hydrogen fuel in the past has always resulted in a net loss of energy. That has been the main problem with hydrogen fuel.
EVERY fuel needs more energy for its production than you can get out of it. Also fossil fuels, which needed giant amounts of solar energy (photosynthesis) for their formation. Respectively for the formation of their precursors. If you want to substitute fossil fuels, you have to replace the solar energy from million years ago somehow.
@@701983 Liquified hydrogen is even worse at least for the range of volumes used in small vehicles. It also makes me wonder if hydrogen is the proper fuel for large tanks since it may be terrible compared to any other simple molecule that is easier to store (methanol, ammonia, ...).
I'm not sure, whether hydrogen will play a major role in future aviation. But IF hydrogen will be used as a fuel for transport, it will probably be in aviation, rather than in shipping, rail or road transport. Due to its high gravimetric energy density, the short storage time (hardly time for boil off) and the clean combustion, which avoids the formation of contrails.
@@701983 lol. Contrails is water vapour , what do you think hydrogen and oxygen makes? And no not in aviation. It's difficult to store leakfree and it is so volatile that the smallest leak causes explosions. Further, dumping fuel in case of emergency wil be a very dangerous action.
@@SkinPeeleR No, contrails consist mainly of ice, sometimes of liquid water. And they need cloud condensation nuclei to build. The combustion of hydrogen doesn't produce particles like soot, which act as condensation nuclei. You won't eliminate contrails with hydrogen completely though, but get less than with kerosene. Besides fuel cell electric planes, which fly slow in lower altitudes, completely without contrails.
@@davidandre8029 But the point was that HFC aircraft are impractical, because they're never going to be useful as large transport aircraft. Not only would it be impossible for electric thrust fans to produce enough power to make that possible, but storing enough hydrogen onboard the aircraft and making the fuel cells large enough to power those impossible thrust fans would render the aircraft useless for carrying passengers/cargo.
They use a similar system currently on LNG ships, the LNG is stored at minus 160 C at just above atmospheric pressure, as the LNG boils off the gas is used to fire the boilers for the steam turbines the boil off process also keeps the liquid in the liquid state. The process is proven and works, the issue obviously is making it light enough to be carried by a plane
They are not using LNG, they are using hydrogen fuel which is completely different. It is not a petrochemical unlike LNG.
@@harpandharley I'm sure Steve knows that it's different fuels but the storage principles and the use of boil off gas are the same.
Most of the new LNG use slow speed “ diesel engines @ modified for natural gas fuel .
Except that energy density of LH2 is a lot worse than LNG.
This may sound crazy but in the mid 90 s a guy developed a oxygen hydrogen separator known as the hydro star. It is made of lightweight plastic and makes hydrogen on demand from water. I have the original plans for this device on a CD. My second thought after this was to fly through rainstorms and collect water while flying to increase the range of your H powered plane. Food for thought?
It doesn't sound crazy, just like a simple scam, like many other "water energy"-scams (Perhaps most famous: Stanley Meyer's water powered car).
You always need more energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen than you can get back by oxidizing the hydrogen back into water.
If you have a powerful energy source on the plane, you will better use it directly for propulsion.
the shot of two adult men sitting in a wooden mockup with crash helmets on is priceless. The only thing missing was the camera crew making airplane noises :)
Make it so Piccard.
Engage!.. Probably the great-great-grandfather of Jean-Luc, there's clearly a family resemblance. 😄Great project!!🍀
Wishing you all the best. I know it will work because its Hydrogen and smart people not stuck in old ways of thinking and doing.
The hydrogen powered yacht Energy Observer has already traveled around the world so why not? And if the hydrogen is generated from renewable sources like wind energy and solar then even better.
The Energy Observer was a completely different case, since it was a solar powered ship in the first place.
Batteries and hydrogen were just buffer storage, not the actual energy supply.
And a ship doesn't go down in case of power outage.
However, it should be doable.
The Rutan Voyager did it in 1986 with internal combustion engines and gasoline. So why not Climate Impulse with a fuel cell electric powertrain in 2028?
Can't wait for this tech to get realized ❤❤❤
Little does Bertrand know, his future great grand son, Jean-Luc, will be the captain of a spaceship. They'll also bear a striking resemblance to each other.
One day in future... one of their descendent is going to be a captain of Space ship and go on intergalactic exploratory adventures! 😀
Wouldn't it be more practical to use Ammonia as the hydrogen source, it is liquid at normal pressures & temperatures so wouldn't need a high pressure cryogenic container.
Yeah, I don't understand the hydrogen craze when ammonia and methanol are available and can be stored and transported with better efficiency
Converting Ammonia back to Hygrogen is another process in Itself . Ammonia Cracking.. Uses Heat, Some complicated device and Cooling down of Hydrogen back to its high pressure required,etc
Normal pressure means atmospheric pressure and then ammonia is a gas. But it turns into liquid at much more moderate pressure and/or temperature than hydrogen. Anyway, liquid hydrogen is not stored at high pressure, it's atmospheric pressure but very very cold.
@@Y2Kvids Don't need to convert ammonia to hydrogen to use in a fuel cell which is what they are planning to use for power, also don't need to convert ammonia to use in combustion, ammonia is more practical way to carry and use hydrogen.
1:24 "If you want to be fully decarbonized" but this is a "carbon" fiber aircraft.
The main issue is to produce hydrogen and freezz it => it required a lot of energy (far more than the energy stored in the final system). In FR, this energy is ~70% Nuclaire (not 100% carbon free due to the full logistic of this industry).
Cool, but it doesn't change anything. Enjoy what you can while you still can.
He even looks like Picard. 😆😉
Let’s not forget the future Jean Luc Picard
lots of hydrogen green washing videos lately. this is second such video on this channel alone in the last 2 weeks.
Carbon fiber decarbonized… only in France😂
Trees are Carbon.. what's your point
@@Y2Kvids carbon fiber impregnated with epoxy is all a residue of the petrol industry, since you did not know that yet. During construction all of that gets vacuum wrapped in plastic which will all turn into an enormous amount of waste during the construction phase. So please educate your viewers about this. Giving the end product the shape of a sailing vessel, does not make this ecofriendly. Even sails are petrol residue!
Cheers
@@Fr99763 All carbons not from fossil are techically Carbon Neutral . If these can be made artificially , it should head that way .
The question is how fast is it to generat hydrogen, let alone refiling the tanks
???
The plane won't have an on-board hydrogen production unit, this wouldn't make sense.
It will be filled before the start and fly around the world with this single filling.
@@701983 exactly... they just need large enough batteries to take off and then get to altitude and then I'm thinking they will basically ride the jet streams for the most part. They can charge the batteries while they are doing that since they will essentially just be a glider. They will need to worry more about boil off earlier in the flight which is when they will produce the most amount of power. After that it would just be monitoring the tank pressure and open and close a valve to let off pressure by feeding the fuel cell. If the battery gets full then they just use a bit more power to maybe climb a bit.
@@pin65371 No, it will be a continuously motor powered flight, pretty much like the flight of the Rutan Voyager in the year 1986.
Hindenburg 2.0
It's not an airship.
And it's not powered by diesel fuel and diesel engines.
Not really much resemblance.
Actually, I would have preferred a solar/hydrogen powered airship (fully rigid) instead.
And an anniversary flight around the world in the year 2029, hundred years after the "Weltfahrt" of LZ 127.
But regarding future viability, a plane is better of course.
There might be regular passenger transport with fuel cell electric planes some day. At least for shorter distances, with acceptable flight time with low speed.
Perhaps other propulsion systems with hydrogen fuel as well.
C'mon hydrogen, keep combustion engines alive. Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow.
Sorry, this uses fuel cells, not ICE.
But, keep plugging bio fuels and the ICE is here to stay.
Ah yes, hydrogen and flight, what a novel idea, what could possibly go wrong…
Hydrogen is dangerous on rockets because of the rocket engines and how hydrogen leaks too easily because of its atomic footprint. Although if used in cars or planes it is far safer because Hydrogen does not linger when it leaks. It shoots straight up at 40mph. Leaks are still a challenge.
Exactly... if anything goes wrong they just dump the hydrogen. I would rather be in a plane crash with a hydrogen plane than a plane with jet fuel.
Why don't they use the solid state hydrogen that Bob Lazar used in his car? 🤔 The fuel was safe and didn't release until it was heated, producing the needed volume of gas on demand.
By solid state, do you mean H2 molecules that are bound to aluminum hydride? That's what Bob Lazar was demonstrating in an old video. They've moved on since then to experiment with carbonized keratin as a binding agent to H2. It looks like any of this hasn't been adopted even though it greatly enhances the safety of H2 storage.
@@JGL841 Yes! 🙏 Thanks for adding the details! 👍 What a cool technology. Is there a paper that talks about the advances you mentioned, or was that also part of Bob Lazar's research? I'll do some searching ✌️
EDIT: University of Delaware published something about it in 2009
@orpheuscreativeco9236 Just Google "Keratin for H2 storage" or "Carbonized Keratin for H2 storage". You should find plenty of articles on it.
Aluminum Hydride was experimented with as an H2 binding agent a long time ago (1950s perhaps). The problem, as Lazaar pointed out, was a special process to make Aluminum Hydride that needed a very difficult to get federal government permission. Probably why it was abandoned for Keratin. Sorry, I have no sources for you. I just Googled it to find out.
we know how explosive is hydrogen , don't put it in a passengers plane , nothing will be left after it crashes and explodes
If anything goes wrong they just release the hydrogen. Also hydrogen is most likely safer than jet fuel. Jet fuel is heavy so it would end up actually catching on fire and exploding. Hydrogen is very light so if there is any issue where it leaks it gets away from the plane.
The sponsor at the very end of the video proves that the hydrogen movement is pure greenwashing.
And yet, hydrogen will have its role in certain industries thanks to climate change
How much energy is required to create the hydrogen fuel? Is that energy carbon neutral? Attempts to create hydrogen fuel in the past has always resulted in a net loss of energy. That has been the main problem with hydrogen fuel.
EVERY fuel needs more energy for its production than you can get out of it.
Also fossil fuels, which needed giant amounts of solar energy (photosynthesis) for their formation. Respectively for the formation of their precursors.
If you want to substitute fossil fuels, you have to replace the solar energy from million years ago somehow.
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че с золотым веком развелись ? ) вайлд беррис не поделили
For how many years have people been working on hydrogen planes? People have been working on a hydrogen plane since the '50's.
There are a number of them flying already - just not around the world.
They should have considered another method to store the hydrogen such as aluminum powder, Kubagen, Powerpaste, LOHCs, ammonia, ...
Makes it heavier.
@@701983 Liquified hydrogen is even worse at least for the range of volumes used in small vehicles. It also makes me wonder if hydrogen is the proper fuel for large tanks since it may be terrible compared to any other simple molecule that is easier to store (methanol, ammonia, ...).
Ammonia is becoming the green fuel of choice. Storage requirements are less stringent than pure H2 and it can be used in a fuel cell.
@@JGL841 Possibly for ships, but probably not for planes.
@@JGL841 And it can be easily combusted if some of it is reformed into hydrogen. But the energy density is lower than kerosene.
Meanwhile Trump wants to develop an aircraft that runs off coal! 😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤡
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Add solar panels to make the flight truly efficient.
Freaking liars. How do they get the hydrogen in the first place? And what’s the carbon footprint of all the materials used?
Hydrogen, fuel for dreamers and charlatans..
I'm not sure, whether hydrogen will play a major role in future aviation. But IF hydrogen will be used as a fuel for transport, it will probably be in aviation, rather than in shipping, rail or road transport.
Due to its high gravimetric energy density, the short storage time (hardly time for boil off) and the clean combustion, which avoids the formation of contrails.
@@701983 lol. Contrails is water vapour , what do you think hydrogen and oxygen makes? And no not in aviation. It's difficult to store leakfree and it is so volatile that the smallest leak causes explosions. Further, dumping fuel in case of emergency wil be a very dangerous action.
@@SkinPeeleR No, contrails consist mainly of ice, sometimes of liquid water. And they need cloud condensation nuclei to build.
The combustion of hydrogen doesn't produce particles like soot, which act as condensation nuclei.
You won't eliminate contrails with hydrogen completely though, but get less than with kerosene.
Besides fuel cell electric planes, which fly slow in lower altitudes, completely without contrails.
Still impractical. Big planes are fast, this aircraft will be incredibly slow.
It is made to fly around the world without refueling, of course it is slow
@@davidandre8029 Jet aircraft can fly around the world quite quickly, even GlobalFlyer managed 3 times the speed of this aircraft.
@@PistonAvatarGuy yeah but they didn't use hydrogen and electric motor did they ?
@@davidandre8029 But the point was that HFC aircraft are impractical, because they're never going to be useful as large transport aircraft. Not only would it be impossible for electric thrust fans to produce enough power to make that possible, but storing enough hydrogen onboard the aircraft and making the fuel cells large enough to power those impossible thrust fans would render the aircraft useless for carrying passengers/cargo.
It's pretty much the same speed as its predecessor had, the Rutan Voyager.
So this thing hasnt even taken off the ground yet.