New Criminal Law Sparks Outrage Among Doctors, Why Medical Professionals Against BNS? | Daily Mirror
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- In today's episode of 'Daily Mirror', anchor Sneha Koshy delves into the doctors outrage against New Laws. Recently, On National Doctor's Day, many doctors, from junior to senior professionals, expressed dissatisfaction and anger by protesting against a specific section in the Bhartiya Nyaya Sanhita (BNS). This discussion has been joined by some distinguished panelists. Ex-president IMA Rajeev Jayadevan explains what are the objectional points of BNS. Chairperson, Nephron Prof. Dr. Sanjeev Bagai If there is fear in doctors' mind, they will stop taking serious cases.
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When buildings , bridges collapse and people die i don’t see contractors being arrested, but yet if those injured people are brought to the hospital and they die during efforts to save them, the doctor gets arrested ???? 😂😂😂
Refer refer refer .... refer all the serious cases... protect yourself 1st
@@PSR-0001 absolutely, bahar me ja insaniat
A very good point
What can we do if you are blind…
It's coming for them too...
No punishment for political negligence 😂
Medical Negligence > Political Negligence
@@pranjal9861 remember one person dying is a tragedy but hundreds of thousands dying is a number value 💀
Check how many people have died due to political negligence.... STUPID.
@@nicejokes7 political negligence may/may not lead to death. It is just a possibility. And it can be controlled with laws and regulations. But medical negligence will lead to untimely death for real. And THERE WAS NO PROPER LAW FOR MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE. And if you really look into the medical history there are cases with intentional or non intentional medical negligence and the repercussions because of it. Learn to think 360 degree not with emotions.STUPID
😂 good question 🤔
@@pranjal9861 so only death while getting treatment requires punishment, not abuse and rape , STUPiD … where’s the punishment for politicians covering up for hit and run cases by rich people kids 😂 oh it’s not negligence, it’s ass licking..? Learn to 360 your brain from WhatsApp.. stand with your essential workers and life savers not politicians kid… this kid think you have to give up your life to constitute negligence…WhatsApp university graduates like you think that Manipur situation is political awareness 😂😂😂 and Brijbhushan is women empowerment
For people who dont understand what is happening- drs are not against a real negligent doctor being punished.
The issue is that " medical negligence " is difficult to investigate correctly and many drs have had to lose license and money in false accusations.
Many patient's family try to accuse hospital and doctors of negligence to avoid bill payments, out of denial etc.
Also i agree with the doctor who spoke of doctors needing to take risk to save patients. And that example of gynecologist is very good.
Well it exactly same as fake rape case
Ull know the reality when u become a doctor... whether to take in serious case or refer...to save ur skin, referral is the best
India is country where their is least conviction not in 10 numbers even with this type of medical quality 😢
Agreed..
any surgeon should stop admitting patients and say "i wont admit you coz i fear jail please go to Ramdev baba and drink his mutar"
Im a doctor...i wanted to practice in India...i wanted to do some good for my people......but after seeing whatever is happening in country...im seriously considering moving to abroad and settling in any other country than india.....and i think at this point every doctor should consider the same.... finally the government has showed us our value in this country....and yes being a doctor i can proudly say "i deserve more"
You are saying nothing wrong. This country doesn't deserve the best doctors. I do feel bad for that section of the society who still respect doctors, understand their sufferings and yes, they deserve our honest care. But the majority of public here just keep accusing doctors of being greedy and corrupt, when the fact is doctors hardly earn anything significant compared to other comparable professions. It's a sad thing that a country like India can't take care of it's doctors. I never want to leave this country, but looks like, I'm not having much of a choice now...
@@user-vx8ru9ew6l same thought... especially after this neet incident...I rather break my head for abroad exams than sit in India and get harassed and called negligent whn I actually do my best for anyone who comes in need
@@Kdrama_addict_archeoptreyx True I'm in the same situation. I even thought that after completing mbbs from abroad I'll return and open my clinic here but not now after hearing fmge exam paper leak and this news
@@Neethelp-vw4bc dude...u work where u studied or elsewhere....India is getting worse day by day
RESPECT
Mr. Ashwini Kumar Dubey doesn't even understand what is medical negligence. And he's a SC Advocate. What a disgrace.
True….jhol wala advocate…paise khane wala….criminal n rapist ko bachane wala
Tu doctor hai tere ko ghanta law samjega. Tu hi woh doctor h joh medical negligence krta hoga isiliye terko law se taklif ho rahi. Dhanda banake rakh diya h behenchod doctors ne.
Their profession is the most untouched one. The powerful one. No one would even imagine putting a case against them, giving reservation and getting between the activities they do.
The problem is that to implement a law, you need judges and lawyers.
Now if someone files a false accusation against a doctor for personal gain, then the "right" vs "wrong" lies inthe hands of the lawyer, who is obviously working only for money. The one who gets the better lawyer wins. Truth may fail.
Responsibility of state to prove accused is guilty
@@anilraghu8687in criminal negligence, onus to prove innocence is on doctor. The doctor is already charged as guilty by the state. Just opposite of what you stated
@@DocWanderer75 Yes exactly
The doctor is already assumed to be guilty. The doctor has to prove that he didn't do anything wrong.
This makes it easier to abuse this law.
Ok then the advocates only work for money and the so called respected doctors do social work great analysis keep it up...........
We need more doctor-lawyer/judges. Those who have had to have studied at least medical law and understand how medicine works for at least an year. Or a shadow work in a hospital all departments for at least an year. Like internship. But for law people.
Doctors shouldn’t even touch critical patients if this is the law.. 99% doctors do everything possible to save the life of the pt. If this is the case then doctors shouldn’t touch critical cases & why not any law against those who created ruckus in hospitals??
Medical negligence is something serious.. Society expects accountability from doctors as well.
@@vamshikrishna8694 for your kind information medical negligence is already there in the law & every medical colleges knows this & every dr knows this this is nothing new.. but patient dies not only bcz of medical negligence only few dr do such negligence but majority of dr are skilled.. & patient death can happen by multiple reasons so u can’t blame dr if he/she trying everything best but still if patient dies then it’s not doctors responsibility bcz in county like india nobody takes health seriously they come to hospital in critical stages so dr can’t do anything even the best dr of the world can’t do anything & at the same time with a care & precaution patient can die bcz medical science is very uncertain & there are various diseases that nobody knows fully about their pathophysiology but still dr have to manage so u can’t blame if someone is trying all that they have
@@prashantvikramsingh9520 I am not blaming medical authorities here, just reminding of accountability. I do agree the with your view that there are doctors who provide exemplary services to the society. My younger brother is a doctor. I do understand the challenges faced by medical professionals in their field. Let us also look at the other side of the coin i.e., scams associated with medical profession. Let's us not kid each other that our country's medical profession is full of scams especially in corporates, be it organ donor scams, inflated medical bill scam to name few. I believe any doctor who is true to his work ethics need not to worry about the new laws, they are meant for those who deviate the norms. Medical profession is considered as next to God in our society so accountability matters a lot here and hence these laws. Yes, I do agree there is a thin line between gross medical negligence and genuine mistake commited by doctors. I hope the new laws are able to differentiate it and deliver justice as effective as possible.
Since you have raised about law related to rude patients who approached hospitals under dire circumstances, remember there is no law in any country against this patients. People come to hospitals under heavy duress or under unfortunate circumstances so law favours them naturally.
You r right....have a special consent against violence towards doctors if patient gets serious.....if they dont dign let these serious patients be handled by illiterate politians....
My wife died because of medical negligence will you give back My wife to me? Don't give long speeches when people are suffering because of someone else's mistake people like you will not understand until it happens to you
Any complicated cases from now on refer to parliament and police station.
😂😂😂
You can't have laws meant for criminals in same breath as that of doctors.
There has to be a qualified decision for those
It's for medical professionals who commit crime
Yes we try to save you and it's a crime right
Dear doctors, save yourself first, rest doesn't matter.
They did not object to Section 304A IPC, and now objecting the same.
True refer critical cases let those politicians treat them...we have done with medicine here in india
Now doctors will be reluctant to take serious cases due to fear.
NO, BRO WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY
Even the price of rice and chicken is increasing but the visiting fees of doctors have remained the same since the last decade.
Increase the visiting fees and do you duty sincerely
Then they'll shut up!
Because doctors are humble bookworms and doing 36-72 hours continuous shifts they're imposing one thing after another.
Doctors have to unite and keep providing the best treatment as before but with higher salary, so that culprits with notorious intension don't pass through the gate of the chamber!!!!!
Visiting fee same???
Fiction!!
@@sg4250 it is still 500rs from ages
@@sg4250 so u want doctors to study for 14 years to treat u for free so that you will spend on movies swiggy and pubs?
and you too believe that visiting fee has not increased for years in India!!
Like the f00l above.
That visiting fee is very low at present. ? ?
And that 90% of people in India who are poor can afford swiggy and multiplex tickets. ??
People in general in India are not as filthy rich like you doctors. Expand ur general knowledge.
Try to understand the world around you, and not just ur profession.
One requires wisdom to understand these things.
@@sg4250bro afford Kr skate ho Aao ….nai Kr sakte toh jaake Ramdev baba ka mutt pio ……we have families to feed and take care of too…..taxes Hume bhi lagta h……jab business man paise bana ye rob wah wah ….dr paisa bana ye toh evil….abey Nikal bhikari ki aulad ….afford Kr skta toh aao….fhuakt ka Rabri chahiye govt hospital Jao …..mast treatment milega world class woh bhi free me ……aur ha Aapke Gharpe kisi ladki ki shaadi ho paiso wala ladka mt dhundna ha na…..ek dayalu free me Ilaag krne wala doctor dhundna ……hypocrisy ki haddd
Dr. Bagai is so crisp crystal clear and to the point .. his words are nothing but pure intellect ... so lucky for his patients .. 🙏
Drs anyways write n number of tests even irreverent just to make a buck. A specialist Dr with 30-35 yrs experience can't figure out a simple issue apparently without writing tests for 15k-25k n nothing comes out n prescribed simple antibiotics. Drs make blood money.
Wow lucky Patient .
At the time of epidemic, if doctor refused to treat patient, what government will do? Government forget corona
You won a booster dose 🐑 😂
At the time of corona, all professionals risked their life. Not only doctors.
Don't play victim card.
@@sg4250 u should’ve come to a hospital ward full of critical covid patients, would you !
We should refuse them now onwards
@@JM-vo4uu Now, if anyone does it, they will loose their job, or salary will be stopped.
What a joke.
It's a paid job. Don't sound it like a selfless service.
This would discourage doctors from attending critically ill patients.
Thankyou before my Neet Pg this came i will be taking para clinical branch like pathology or radiology.So there will be no need for thinking of medicolegal issues.
Dr Sahil, am here thinking phir se BNS padhna padega 😂
@@DocWanderer75 jo imp hein wahi padenge sab thodi yaad rahenge exam time pe.
Again wrong diagnosis will land u in jail😂😂
but why take even them. doctors should also leave profession and become youtubers and influencers or refer critically ill patients to Baba ramdev
Don't think pathologists and radiologists are free from medicolegal issues. At least if a practitioner makes wrong diagnosis it is not considered criminal offense. But if you make wrong diagnosis as a radiologist / pathologist you will straight away land up in jail. 😂😂😂
Let the lawyers & politicians treat patients now since they made & passed the law
True
@@Sushmita-e5o thanks for agreeing
I feel that being a doctor was once considered a noble profession. But in today's world does the world really deserve this noble profession? By risking one's entire life, after rigorous study and efforts of becoming a doctor, is it really worth it? Even if 1000 lives have been saved by the same doc, he or she will be punished for a humanly mistake. Doctors are also humans they are not gods
@@barsha362yes it's still 100% worth. Crores of black money (tax free) makes it super worth.
If you don't like it, give up your medical profession. Will u do it?
@@sg4250are you a doctor!!
Looks like even if 4 stage of cancer die Doctors negligence for late diagnosis 😂
From your comment we can say you are not a doctor because the dumbness of your comment.
😂😂 I no i shudnt laughbut it's actually funny😂😂😂
Accused for negligence... Yes.
Accused and punished are two different words.
If you have case on you in court how the hell are you going to work freely the next day.. you will always be in defensive mode
@@sg4250 yeah and in India u are guilty until proven otherwise
Now i don't wish to practice in india at all , the way the government is treating NEET UG /PG aspirants and the doctors is very shameful. They are taking doctors for granted , definitely a larger number of good doctors will shift to countries like US or Britain . Its very Shameful .
Decide early or u will be stuck here, change hardly happens later
Very good decision..... Mera Bharat Mahan 😅
@@shriraamayyar7744 it is already late for me , I have been preparing for pg for last 2 years , can't just change it now 🥹, but I wish I knew they are gonna treat us like this , I would've prepared for USMLE instead
Better shift to foreign nation ….better pay …better lifestyle….better working conditions ….. n yes if something happens to u …at least there is a chance u will get justice…nai toh yaha India me rapist khule Aam ghum rhe aur gunde politicians bane pde h ….aur murderers ko 300 words ka essay ……….ha in foreign nation me aapko racism face krna pde thoda …..but still better than the torture u get here in India …..
@@drdoom8393every country is like that only, honestly and law is like that too , I mean atleast for Indians , there was this case recently where the police themselves ran over a Indian girl in the US , and Indian students keep getting killed and bullied , pay is good for sure . I don't hate my country , I just hate the people who run it , that's why I chose to stay here . Because no other country would teach my kids our history, what our country went through . That's the only reason I chose to stay but these people are making me doubt my decisions.
First resevation second constant heckling by the relatives of the patient now this. As a doctor I dont feel safe to practise in India anymore
Please leave..
Plenty of bright students are waiting to study and become doctors.
First i am damn sure u r sc or st so u already don't hv right to be doctor.....@@sg4250
@@sg4250unpadh
The laws are stricter outside lmao 😂
@@Nilotinibisexpensive been to USA. Laws being stricter is why such nuances are less.
A wrong legal opinion of a lawyer is not an offence , but any action can be attributed as a negligence for any type of loss of life from hospitals. See there are several medicine that create a side effects of serious nature. Even IV applications, there are risks.
Absolutely. No more central line (subclavian) then, because it could precipitate arrhythmia or risk of pneumothorax.
Every invasive procedure in ICU is risky. Imagine losing a tooth during intubation and you get sued. Patient survives , vitals improve but you are sued for permanent loss of tooth. Grievous hurt.
Funny.
Administering IV is the role of Nurses/any type of doctor with just a diploma in EMS or critical care. Pure specialist doctors cannot be blamed for that
The problem is not punishment of the guilty, but persecution of the innocent.Doctors will now have to take out comprehensive medical insurance which will increase the cost to the patient because the cost of insurance will have to be added to the doctor's fees.Hospitals and nursing homes will have to do the same,increasing treatment costs still further. To the patient this is the cost side of the cost-benefit analysis.Welcome to the "Development of India."
Viksit Bharat
@@fatimakhan5788
Right. And I forgot the battery of useless and highly expensive tests that the doctor will have to specify to cover possible malpractice charges. The patient as customer always loses.
As if treatment cost is zer now
@@anilraghu8687
You do come across decent doctors who think of costs as well and don't want patients to spend unnecessarily. Such people are in the cross hairs of the new policy and will vanish. So costs are gong to increase even furher,even more rapidly as more and more expensive tests are developed.
Dont treat anybody like God. Medical negligence should also be made punishable henceforth.
"Medical negligence " is very vaguely defined in the new laws . The definition needs to be re-defined with no ambiguity .
You define it then😂
@@rudra7626 hehe good good why don't you make the law minister resign first (if you can 🤣) then appropriate steps will be taken by me to give a proper definition
@@sonu214 🤣 That's funny.
With this rules patient will suffer terribly specially those very serious they will be shuffled from one docter to other , from one hospital to others docters will definitely not take risk going to jail
What about lawyers, will they be punished if a client lose a case due to some negligence? What about politicians.. Ministers etc will they or their party be punished?
Doctors hold the lives of people 👍
In such cases .. mostly doctors won't take things in their hands and start referring 😂😂😂..no use of this absurd rule😂@@cutclips9
What about the Manipur case?@@cutclips9
Doctors should play safe. They should recommend referring the patients to specialized hospitals. Let the government open many specialized hospitals with all infrastructure, medicines, machines, etc. If any hospital does not have all infrastructure, medicines, equipment, machines, labs, etc, the doctors should raise the issue by email, to the promoters of the hospitals/ Dist. collector for government hospitals and shift the accountability.
.. First, he should save himself from jail so that he can continue to serve the patients.
There is always the option of not working in govt hospitals.
That should be the first choice.
Best of luck in building a medical career without a govt job... 😂😂
@@sg4250 all I can see from this account is just a mockery. You think govt job is the only way for doctors ? Wondering how would your brain think if your son or daughter is a doctor! Have some shame atleast. Already every tertiary hospitals are filled with cases and we have admission day duty continuous for 48 hours ! And yet people like you generalise some corporate doctors on par with every doctor in this country and spit hatred like anything.
even specialized hospitals should refer critically ill patients to baba ramdev
best thing that i did was to settle in germany after my mbbs.low pay, huge workload, even law is against doctors, better to get out of such a country
Did you do pg there ?
Please share/provide a guide on how to apply there bro. Thanks
Not everyone can afford or even want to do that. I have family here. I don't want to leave my home nation. I wish India did better for doctors.
What about under equipped govt medical institutions? Are the MLAs and MPs liable for negligence ?
Instead of making laws to control corporate greed in healthcare industry, the government is making non sensical and overbearing criminal laws
At last a sensible comment.
make law to make hospitals a non profitable business yes
Bjp is a foolish govt , here intellectual not but foolish politicians make laws. This govt earlier allowed ayurvedic and homeopathic doc to prescribe modern medicine 😂😂 later on after protests it was repealed. Utter foolish govt.
A simple protest by doctors,, forced the govt.
Imagine the power of doctors lobby
It's all gone to hell. I had hopes from this election. We keep getting older and the world progresses backwards. One step forward three steps backward... We'll just sit and wait for it to get better but the public remains unaware of what bad the gov is doing and all fall for propaganda with no actual use.
@@nondescript4311 it requires knowledge to differentiate between progress and moving backward.
It is not everyone's cup of ☕.
Public always knows the best.
Some few elites with selfish interests may not get what they expect from this govt.
But they are not among the public.
Public sab janta hain.
I am a doctor, now onwards never attempt to revive a cardiac arrest patient definity reffered to cardiologist
What? Are you that low confident? If so, you should not be a doctor.
Suppose the caridiac arrest patient was a prior cardiac patient on treatment you are not a cardiologist trying to revive , unfortunately the patient dies the new law says you are not qualified enough to attend that kind of patient and charged a criminal negligence law , in fear of the consequences definitely it will happen .if you are a medical professional you will understand the situation otherwise no point in discussing
@@Unapologeticallyindiando you have any idea how fast and how often AMI (heart attack for your understanding) patients die or how tensed the situation gets? Aa gye gyan dene confidence n bla bla bla....ap log ho na sare bimari o ka ilaj krne ...confidence se bhare pare...in doctor ko chhod do...ap confidence se bimari thik kro
@@deepmondal8794 if you are in favour of people getting exploited only because you are scared af then you are the one at fault.
No doctor is low confident....taking one of the toughest exam in the country neet and giving 15-17 yrs of life to be trained as a super specialist....we are not underconfident just a victim of law of this country and ill minded people like you who are underconfident to point out politicians and contractors of this country but easily target doctor thinking them to be soft target
If a Bridge or a structure collapse and kill because of the contractors careless and human life lost
Are they put to jail and fined ?
This law was passed only to save the politician and curropt Govt officials useless
100%
Can't agree more !!!💯💯
Contractors are also arrested gandhu Gujarat Bridge collapse Contractor was arrested
When any judges gives wrong judgements and real victim dies of suicide then no judges will be held responsible for abetment of suicide. When lawyers keep giving hopes and running cases for long it's not accountable. Judges and lawyers should be the first thing to be scrutinized.
What about quacks or so called RMPS who practice modern medicine?And what about overworked and underpaid doctors in Govt. Hospital?
What about them?
The problem is with the doctors always finding treasure and not pleasure in the profession.All the Governments ,either state or central,are paying good salaries for the doctors.Most Govt.doctors have private clinics where one gets better treatment-everyone knows why.
@@s.r.3829 no pleasure without treasure
@@s.r.3829 no offense but if your not doctor please don't talk about finding pleasure in our job . I worked a single yr in private hospital and was exhausted by the end . India is a large country and we don't have enough patient to doctor ratio and on top the entrance exams are made extremely tough that 90 percent don't make it . And once you do we toil day and night , compromising our health to study in mbbs and when we start practicing 50 percent act hostile to us for no reason . So all that happiness of being a doctor goes down the drain yet we show up every day even on sick days coz ppl need us . And despite everything try our best to give the best treatment for each patient . So is asking for us to be protected wrong . The government seems to have an vendetta against allopathic doctors yet has no issues with illegal medicinal practitioners and quacks who practice with 0 medical knowledge. But the government chooses to ignore that .Why . I am not saying that all doctors are good ,no their are bad doctors who exploit th system as well , but we can't generalise every doctor in India as good or bad. At the end of the day we for doctors not god's we do what we can with the best of our ability , but bringing this rule means we no longer can take risks in the profession due to endangering our profession. So the outrage is justified . Next time u generalise an entire profession pls do think from our side as well.
@@rohankubasad1821 Govt hospitals cant be sued for medical negligence
Would only allopathy doctors be liable or Homeopathic or Ayurvedic practitioners too ? They earn same as us in government job. 😅
Homeopathic and Ayurvedic don't have licence to perform surgery
I won’t be doing any more intubations.
These people are ruining it for us , no wonder everyone’s going out .
I completely agree with u..cent percent true💯💯💯
We break our heads day and night for 10+ yrs...get screwed, insulted (by our professors,snrs,patient, patient s family etc) and do all our best to save thm and whn it doesn't happen calmly the pt s family files case on doctors...
What abt the PPL who actually r negligent in other profession ...y don't they hav a similar rule .. especially politicians
Yes,let give government ias officer call book for doing intubation because no doctor is willing to take risk.
Don't burn your adrenaline for these idiots bro....👍👍👍
Good decision 👏
Negligence is not the correct term .
Any patient who comes to a doctor for treatment and the treating doc have no personal connection beyond disease and treatment , Doctors provide treatment under the prescribed guidelines and even emergencies are also handled as per guidelines .the patient may or may not respond to treatment.So if a cancer patient dies inspite of treatment does is it because of negligence any foul play?
I dont think the reporter could understand what that senior neurologist was saying. I acknowledge his discussion was too deep into medical and legal aspect for her to understand easily. But she could have made a little more effort
Don't pretend only those who MBBS understand medicine
@@anilraghu8687it is quite hilarious to see people who have not studied even 1 year of mbbs and not even knowing the curriculum,knowledge or the hardwork saying that they know more than the people who have studied this particular course for probably 12-13 years...I need this type of confidence in my life.
@@anilraghu8687 Paidal ho kya dimag se?
Dr.Sanjeev Bagai Dr.Jayadevan and Mr.Pratap have explained the issue well very well.The BJP is good in bringing half baked laws which do more harm then good
Or you just want misuse of system…
I wish u had known how these so called doctor ruining lives of people... I've seen god knows how many cases where doctors are responsible for killing people for making money out of dead people by keeping them in ICU for 2 3 days. And the most recent one... A few days ago my friend's Grampa went to hospital to get a check up and at night when he was admitted in hospital they gave him some kind of injection and he lost his voice and then they referred him to another hospital.
Like wtf is that why u admitted him so u could make him lose his voice.
This is absolutely reasonable to hold a doctor accountable.
I agree with ashwani kumar dubey
@@UnapologeticallyindianHmm
Well these bunch of part are the worst for the country
Agreed
Great work!
Welcome to the world where doctors will no longer take on serious cases and just refer them.
No one wants to be jailed wrongly for trying to save a life.
I can guarantee that many people will die due to this and it won't be the doctor's fault.
What about the government not providing enough equipment and resources which could save the life of a patients. Which i encounter in govt hospitals alot.
Drs deals with life n death every day not less than 50 critical patients no profession is so close to death like drs. they r more vulnerable to get negligence case every day how will they treat patients with such fear..They will stop taking critical cases so that they will be safe n advise every investigation to confirm the diagnosis which will ultimately burden patients pocket.Referal will b the only option in every hospital.even after all the medical knowledge sometimes patient can not saved .every living being on earth will die jst because family lost their loved ones n they couldnt accept the fact they can't blame Drs for everything..yes their should b a medical board to decide medical negligence neither patient, police, lawyers r not qualified to understand the technicalities of complications..
We need mandatory 10 year WARRANTY PROVISIONS for buildings from builders
Getting consent from patient is ceremonial procedure. Who is aware of procedure here?. They are many offences in criminal law, which does not have mensrea. Even though there is no mensrea, they have knowledge that patient may die.
Let the government stop giving access to Ayurveda & homeopathy to practice modern medicine than more than half of problems will solved..
😂😂 so dumb. How did you people become a doctor? Hold doctors accountable for mistreatment. Argument against it: ban ayurveda..
Because we are tired of seeing patients using herbal and homeopathy and coming at the terminal stages, wishing for a miracle. The liver enzymes are botched up. You have to choose medications very carefully.
The point is, one should stick to one school of thought. If Ayurveda, stick to it till last breath. Kindly do not use Modern evidence based medicine as the last resort. That's all.
I have no issues with the indigenous system. But NO CROSSPATHY!
Who is this genius, modern medicine has killed more people than any war, ayurveda has no side-effects and it's valid and legal in developed countries like Switzerland, Germany, various eu etc.
shameless idiot ,how many dies due to ayurvedaa & homepathy?
@@Unapologeticallyindianmany lower class people go first to ayurveda and homeopathy and the patient becomes serious or critical to rush to allopathy doctors, hospitals. By that time it is too late and the latter are blamed for the death.
Doctors want protection as well justice. We are not against real negligence. You all should respect understand doctors and DO NOT HARM ANY DOCTORS under rages. Hope for the best. I hope govt India as well state govt should give protection to Doctors.🧿
The term journalists should be included and misinterpretation should be a criminal act!
Modi govt politicise everything & anytime like in edu, healthcare, national security etc, etc, very danger govt, for the nation
Really? Khuli chut na mile to government buri h.. 😂 kuch bhi..
How? You seems to be fool ones.
Somehow Mr. Ashwini Kumar seems to have not understood the medical profession. He is stuck with legality and not human considerations.
As one of panellist explained it takes over two decades for a doctor to make clear decision on each patient. It is tough and a rewarding vocation. The reward is more of the wellbeing of the patient treated than any other.
The law can be used to target doctors. Praying that patients who are aware of the goodness of medical profession will come to the street and join the doctors in repealing this provision from the newly enacted law.
What ever the situation but please don't do physical fight inside the hospital consider other critical patients are there to get cured what if someone died during your violent act who will be the responsible again....give respect for doctors we need them no matter how rude or bad they are their one direction people's life have been saved until now , for one case we cannot ignore their thousand of good deeds.....
Patients will suffer as from now on physicians, surgeons will refuse to take high risk cases. Already young surgeons I know are planning to branch out of "high risk-life saving" practice like obstetrics into infertility or etc
Low confident people should not become doctors anyways.
what about violence against healthcare professionals ? will it still be considered the high emotions of relatives and not criminal acitivity.
In America, people sue doctors and make money through lawsuit. I hope people in India don't start that trend.
Well the trend in india is starting to lean towards exactly like the american healthcare system,bunch of laws,in favor of only the people in power, and common people suffering
Actually, the people of India are the ones who are going to pay money, not doctors.. in foreign countries, all hospitals and doctors have taken medical compensation insurance policies. It is the insurance companies that pays the compensation amount to the patient. And the extra cash needed to pay the premium of these policies is paid by the patients by adding it to their hospital bill. doctor or hospital is not paying the insurance premium from their own pocket. so, in foreign countries, this medical compensation only increases the cost of treatment for every patient. It does not affect the doctor or hospital in anyway because they are not paying money to anyone. only patients are actually giving money to insurance companies to pay for their own medical compensation. Same thing will happen in India also..
America's healthcare is shit. But it's beautiful for doctors sometimes. They make bag. But the insurance companies decide if a person can or cannot get a medical procedure, even a basic test done. and not everyone has insurance. It costs a lot too. People rather choose to die without treatment there too, if their insurance doesn't cover it. It's a shit exploitative system. They want the best of both worlds in India tho, where there's no cost for patients and they don't have to pay doctors either! Healthcare budget to be spent on next minister's grandson's 2nd birthday party😂 At least doctors get paid there. We won't get paid and patients won't get treatment. Lose lose ! Yay! Government!!
our Parlimentarins who pass such LAWS are soft in the head. They should learn to write a simple sentence. Only a very highly efficuent, comptent can decide on negligence. It is like asking an illiterate to decide on the competence of a Doctor . STUPID laws.
Absolutely sick legislators to bring stupid laws, including BNS69. Weather they are morons or purposefully wanted to bring such biased laws to destroy India?
Shame ....on the govt.....
What do you mean by comparing a doctor to LEVEL of politicians??!.....we doctors go through immense amount of studies..we invest immense amount of our money and time to acquire the knowledge.. during the journey of becoming a doctor every single one of us has faces the unimaginable amount of stress, anxiety and depression at certain points....this profession is called an NOBEL profession for a reason!......and on the other hand to become a political all you need to do is gather votes..which are not even gathered by being loyal to those voters...they lie, they pay money for the votes, they distribute free alcohol for the votes, they make false promises..and most of them are even uneducated if you're comparing to a doctor!.....we doctors work for the greater good of our patients..and those politicians work only to win votes again in next term....i guess this should state who is selfless and who is selfish!
This is just like the government bringing in more and more exams instead of doing something about improving the quality of education. Half-baked superficial measures that don't do the patient any good, create ungodly stress on the doctors in the name of 'progress'. Could you do something to improve the system first?
They know clearly that not only will the doctors be affected badly by this but the patients will also be badly affected,I like to think the institution runners are somewhat literate,obviously they are not doing anything in the benefit of the people of india,just for the politicians...
If you don't consult anybody don't discuss it in the parliament don't get suggestions from public but bring in laws as per you wish then this will be the result. Farm laws were framed farmers fought for one year lives lost and after one year they were withdrawn. The two think that they know everything and go about enacting laws
Admidst neet scam, students will study their a** off and then again study more in mbbs and then again they have to clear EXIT test to get licence for practice. And again do specialisation super specialisation. And after all this rigorous efforts what they get? End up in jail for some patient dying during operation. Or also may be if the patient was already dead, who knows if the doctor can prove his or her innocence. Time to leave the country for good.
@@barsha362 all this effort for money. Not for social service.
Don't act saint. Get lost.
We dont need to treat anyone ,we cant do negligence so have to be clear ..so we can order lot of lab investigations...if serious cases just leave them to politicians...they need this only
Yes there are protocols "SOPs" for treatment but if every doctor starts practicing strictly as per protocol then people without medical insurance will go bankrupt for sure....Making decisions for treatment require years of practice and clinical experience....for each symptom a patient presents with there can be atleast 100 differential diagnosis which an efficient doctor rules out and narrows down based on experience and some lab tests....this experience is not something you find in your SOPs, human body is not simple maths like 1+1=2....as per standard protocol there are multiple tests to rule out each differential diagnosis and if doctors start ordering tests for each and every suspicion you would go bankrupt without medical insurance....This argument is invalid for a resource limited and economically underdeveloped country like India....If you have a doubt you can ask any person living in any 1st world countries about how medical system works there and how much is the cost of treatment.....
Harsh criminal negligence on the other hand was punishable earlier also, no one had problems with it...if this new law is bringing such controversies, there must be a something terribly wrong in it...people should understand this instead of blaming doctors for protesting against this new law.....
What constitutes Gross medical negligence must be clearly defined by ammendment in the new law.........If this new law is not ammended no doctor would be willing to take up high risk patients under their treatment and would simply refer and shift the responsibility, critically ill poor patients who cannot afford treatment at big corporate hospitals will suffer the most....who would risk going to jail or harrasment at court while trying to save lives if favourable outcomes don't occur.....
With that kind of law no doctor would ever touch a serious case or a dying person who is in a casw of emergency.
And also put some law who uses cheap materials for bridge or building leading to collapse.
There must be a sop ( standard Operating procedure) for treating a patient in govt and private hospital. Violation of SOP is liable to punishment to medical professionals. Otherwise not.
There already is SOP for every disease. But high risk cases u can't predict who will respond to drugs given. Risk of mortality is always present. Fir eg Any obstetric case can go into DIC. it happens. Any surgery can have risk of pulmonary embolism. After year's of experience also we can't predict always.
Now no doctor will take risk of jail time by treating high risk cases. They will refer. I have right to refuse case. Only common people will suffer.
Medical treatment is not like advocacy when particular law works
Sop😂. Bull shit. Refer everyone to higher centres.Treatment will become so costly in future like us/uk. Only corporate hospital and people with insurance survives. Lets go to hell.
Yes there are protocols "SOPs" for treatment but if every doctor starts practicing strictly as per protocol then people without medical insurance will go bankrupt for sure....Making decisions for treatment require years of practice and clinical experience....for each symptom a patient presents with there can be atleast 100 differential diagnosis which an efficient doctor rules out and narrows down based on experience and some lab tests....this experience is not something you find in your SOPs, human body is not simple maths like 1+1=2....as per standard protocol there are multiple tests to rule out each differential diagnosis and if doctors start ordering tests for each and every suspicion you would go bankrupt without medical insurance....your argument is invalid for a resource limited and economically underdeveloped country like India....If you have a doubt you can ask any person living in any 1st world countries about how medical system works there and how much is the cost of treatment.....
But instead section should be inserted that all cases of accusations of criminal negligence must be dealt by committee comprising of doctors from state medical council along with ips officers and retd judges.
In a corrupt society where police and Advocates are corrupt, it is difficult for doctors. Politicians get away with all sorts of negligence
If this continues no good candidate will become a doctor , everyone can become a software engineer & earn money easily without any fear
& commitment
To become doctor 50% marks in physics chemistry and biology in 12th standard is enough. No need to be good student
Very warped view of world.@@WR-NC-ASPL
@@WR-NC-ASPL do you know how many students wrote the neet exam this year 28 lacks . Do you know how many seats are available in India around 10 lack 8000 . And last I checked neet is the eligibility exam for mbbs . So I am not sure what you meant with 12 th pass.
24 lakh students gave neet and there are only 50000 available govt seats
@@Pixiemaniac .. there are only 1 lakh MBBS seats, not 10 lakh.. MBBS Seats in India: Altogether 1 lakh or 1,01,043 MBBS seats are available at present in over 660 medical colleges in the country, of which, 52,778 are in 360 Government Medical colleges and 48,265 are in 300 private Medical colleges. Private Medical colleges charge from 50 lakh to 1 crore fees.. NEET 2024 has recorded 24 lakh or 24,06,079 students applying for the exam.
What are the sections under which punishments for "negligence in drafting laws" & "biasness towards govt by media" defined ? This video will be taken as evidence for sure
This would create an additional mental stress on the doctor who is already facing a complex or critical situation . It’s like holding a gun on the head of someone who is trying to save a life. This seems like a draconian law especially for such a profession which requires immense knowledge and expertise to treat an individual. Instead a law should be passed of transparency and monitoring while involving critical treatments.
Is there a similar law against lawyers
Political aur Administrative Negligence pe bhi strong law banao na.. !!
What are the guidelines that are not negligence
Aise sare programs Hindi mein hone chahie taki is Desh ki most public dekh sake
Medical practitioner !! Do they specified that, medical practitioners include from a ward boy to nurse, from pharmacist to doctor, from unani homeopathy to allopathy doctor all of them are medical practitioners will they also be considered equal culpable?? Many times even patient or patients attendant do negligence, tell half things many things, would their negligence be also over doctor??
Doctors giving false certificates in criminal cases must go to jail.
What about you who want to get fake certificates
Even people demanding those false certificates should be jailed.
Ya. Jailed for giving 5 days of rest?
@@sainigagan5 These are the same people who go to doctor with false complaints and beg for rest.
Law was already there for punishment for giving false certificates. Doctors are taught this in forensic medicine and law in 2nd year mbbs.
This is defining everything loosely. No doctor will take high risk cases. Out of 100 high risk cases, there is percentage mortality in every country. Ab kaun risk lega.
Now only first aid n refer. Ya branch change to less risky practice.
Already everyone i know, is thinking in this lines
Not following protocol like surgical safety checklist then wrong surgery etc is negligence
There is already a medical board to see for gross medical negligence. Board constituting of varities of super specialists. Doctors are convicted if there is gross negligence.
This is different. Now high risk cases will no longer be seen by doctors for fear of false cases.
Judge will decide if it's false case but until then doctor will remain in judicial custody for years
Out of 100 cases, atleast 5-10 are high risk case. Doctors want to save every life but not at DAILY risk of prison time
Didn't study 12 years for daily jail risk
@@ProcalcitoninC oh ok
But in India it's not possible to follow all the protocols and checklists mentioned in books
@@santhosh2513 some speciality will follow as per NABH
Simply don't talk like as if u know everything
Government has become mad....all waste criminal laws , useless agriculture laws..
Law should Specify difference between Gross Reckless MEDICAL Negligence And Failure of Treatment especially high risk procedures . Otherwise who will take up Sick CRITICAL cases ????? Government and BJP had promised to Exempt DOCTORS from purview of Section 304 a and 106 BUT opposite SEEMS HAPPENING ?!!!!!!!
IPC cancelled BNS comes, next comes Manusmriti, no democracy will exist, no constitution will exist, monarchial administration will begin. JAGO MODI BHAKTH JAGO🙄
im not bhakt but in our country accountability must be there in all sectors. from top to bottom in every walks of life.
Ashwani Kumar is the most mindless advocate I have heard to…….at 15.17 he states that if a doctor doesn’t know how to do a thing he shouldn’t do it …..just a thing if he missed what dr. Sanjeev Bagai said….a dr. Trains 20 yrs to be where he is and this advocate thinks it is cool to say dr. Is incapable….on the other hand ….only if Ashwini Kumar knew what an emergency means…..he won’t talk about referring a patient……just talking like an illiterate person …..he actually proved dr. Bagai’s point ……advocate and police know zero about medicine and can’t be considered in stating whether it is negligence or not……
@@drdoom8393 yes only a doctor can understand medical emergency.
But since the entire doctor community is so much United,( even more than the one minority community),....
That doctors always protect fellow doctor.
The result till now no doctor has been punished by law.
So it's time other professionals are needed to judge the doctors and break this doctors fraternity.
@@sg4250u didn’t understand the context bro…..it’s not about being punishable …..yes wrongdoing and negligence must be punished but by whom….by lawyers police and beaurocrates who obviously will think every death as negligence bcoz of no medical knowledge… .instead a expert doctors panel must be assigned …..it’s a simple logic …how a person who doesn’t know anything about a particular thing be given a power to judge a thing ….its like telling messi and Ronaldo ….ki kal se aap cricket umpire ….😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@drdoom8393 I began with the following statement....
" yes only a doctor can understand medical emergency"
This is ridiculous the doctor who tries his best to save patient will be charged as murderer even if he did his best...but when a ameer baap ka beta drives porche then he can murder anybody keeping in mind he will have to write 300 lines essay...I cannot believe this is even a discussion.
Moreover this law will make sure that doctors avoid the critical cases and refer patient to one another also this is will narrow the medical diversity among doctors now many will prefer safe side...
This is what happens when bills are bulldosed and passed without consulting the experts and debating in parliament..
May be the new NEET examination quality might be the motive behind the law😮
Too much corruption in the medical field will lead to this...from the medical practitioners to medical entrance exams...nothing is taken seriously..
Main reason we don't have enough qualified doctors is that the good ones have been going to the developed countries rather than serving in their homeland. It's not for lack of jobs but for earning higher salaries.
Second, corporate hospitals set targets for medical professionals who must pad up patient's bill. This includes unnecessary tests and treatments. Could such recklessness lead to patient death? If patients are seen as "customers" then yes!
I know of someone who had to undergo the same surgery three times, including medical instrument accidentally left inside abdomen to be extracted!!
What about the ministers who are doing bad in their job ... frequently causes people to die on ill constructred road and examples are many many more. Do they get arrested or investigated no and our indian citizen will never have the guts to raise their voice towards them
In INDIAN clinics & many small & medium scale hospitals you have unqualified paramedics.
cancel their license. human life is priceless
Make special criminal section solely for amit shah.. And his team.. Shameless
"Risky job with tough skills" in India are rewarded with "meagre pay and harsh punishments".
100x average pay is meagre? Patients are not earning to make doctor rich
@@anilraghu8687 please consider the average pay of all the doctors across the country and not taking the creamy layer as the standard.
@@anilraghu8687doctors are not there to treat them free either...we put more than 12 yrs reading to treat u guys...for that experience the amount of pay is less
@@kavyap2065 so you have right to make us poor for your appropriate compensation! We have no obligation to make extra money to pay you your self determined worth, making us pay more than 20% of our income is extortion
Medical negligent shud b imposed on the wrongful docs...not innocent doc,competent docs,or a doc who takes the blame for another doc.
At the same time If the patient and their family r guilty thn they shud face similar consequence ..
I do agree some doctors r at fault but that the same time patients and their family just for the sole reason for extra cash they dont mind putting such cases on docs
So if and only if ther is a clear scrutinised way of finding a person guilty as in this law a Doctor thn ok.. otherwise the pt s family or who ever put such a case shud hav proper jail time
(Which will never happen in india)
Pehle govt hospital ki halat deekh ,shukur mana doctors yaha kaam krte ha ,outdated ha not USA type hospitals
Why isn't legal and judicial negligence called criminal offence. The lawyers in our country openly take bribe and finish off the plaintiff s case even if he has the strongest case. There is no body that the lawyers seem to be answerable to. Even the bar council of India has a disciplinary board that is run by lawyers for the benefit of lawyers. Why? Why aren't the law officers held accountable. Even judges when found guilty, are asked to resign instead of being dishonourably discharged and they are still allowed to practice law!!?? Why? And why are lawyers allowed to join politics and still practice. Why make the bhakshak so Powerful that it is easier to be a victim without justice than to trying to get justice
This is why India is backward here educated people instead of taking higher responsibility they want a concession for doing crime.
Medical negligence is real and it need to criminalise if need can be done with more debate and discussion but it should be criminalised.
In India, when patients can't be saved , people simply blame it on doctors as negligence. People don't even wait for a detailed investigation by the medical board. Today everyone is a doctor graduated from an Internet university. Doctors will simply stop treating very sick patients, and will refer them to higher centers. It would become more problematic for patients.
Doctors are working hard. Reduce population, Improve infrastructure 🙏🏼
@@gauravgairola9449 apart from life threatning diseases all diseases can be cured. all surgeries can be performed with 100 percent success if its done carefully and responsibly by a trained doctor.at least do the surgeries right. people going to apollo and getting cured and come back. why does same not happen everywhere. it means doctors are incapable and are untrained and medical licenses are awarded to people who haven't proven to save lives. i think for medical license the department he /she is in must prove her worth to have medical license and record of having high success rate in treatment.
Not all but only some good ones. Others are making this profession a business. @@SJ-yg1bh
@@gauravgairola9449you definitely sympathise with criminals. My grandmother was treated so badly at hospitals. They kept her on sleeping injections continuously. Even when they were not able to treat her did not ask us to take her somewhere else. Only because you are a doctor doesn’t mean you can get away with anything. In India doctors don’t even care to tell guardians of patients what treatment they doing and why. Doctors sometimes do kill patients.
If the medical negligence is proved the concerned doctor should be accountable.
The problem is.... people can be falsely accused of medical negligence and its very difficult to prove.
The government of India should start constructing Jail that can House 1 lakhs minimum as there’s more chance of being caught than sleeping.
Cost of treatment will go up like in US.
They want that. More GST and income tax from doctors, more income from LIC.
@@kiransankarpati Half docs owing clinics in India do't pay tax, Do you know that?
How does it even related to this law? Means Doc's in India indulge in malpractice
@@ramm6258 they don’t pay taxes on that part of money which they use as expenses, still to some extent they must pay taxes , otherwise whole property would become black money. And black money is very difficult to deal with. Now when everything in an industry becomes costlier automatically that cost will trickle down to every sphere of that industry . Hospital fee will be costlier too. Corporates don’t like to handle black money either.
@@kiransankarpati brother, when collecting cash for which people gets no bills in clinics are no joke!!
Why is Modiji making New Laws without implementing the excellent Existing Laws against continuous Killings going on in the Country??????
Excellent existing laws? Made by British to prosecute innocent Indians whom they used to consider gulams.
How about some laws against the police department ? Wouldn't that be comforting for the whole country.
No law will be made for traditional ànd ayurvedic practice but they are behind allopathy , so sad , believe me a lot of patient will suffer as now Dr will deny taking serious patient and eventually they will die
With this law - Think twice before you send your children to become 'Doctors ' .
Youngsters - Forget your dream of becoming a doctor in India...
Fine. If you are that low confident then don’t become a doctor. Beside, to become a doctor, only a dream is not enough. If you don’t have potential then you should stay away.
@@Unapologeticallyindian Did you read/hear of the new law that can prosecute doctors ! I am referring to that law...
@@peterrego3771 and? It’s against negligence.
If you can't take responsibility, can't make best effort, don't become doctors
I'm a young doctor studying for PG and if i could go back in time I'd beg her to take anything, any other field than medical. But man, I want to help people... I don't want to be charged for murder. It's so sad.
What doctor said is right
I should not have given survice to COVID patients as COVID was not my expertise... According to the advocate