I'll give you a hint, from someone who was enlisted, a warrant officer, and took a commissioning oath and did commissioning officer duty and responsibilities - section leader, flight operations officer, company commander. - retired, x 2 wars - veteran. Major duties/MOS - Special Forces A-team medic, Flight Medic, and Senior Aviator.... Treat you soldiers with as much respect as you would an officer when addressing them. If you come off like a high and mighty authoritarian all the time when it is unnecessary, it won't take long for them to do their best to help you - FAIL! And you won't have REAL RESPECT for the person you are from the troops, they'll just go through the required military motions enough to stay out of trouble, and your unit's moral will sink! Don't be afraid to lead by example, when you can. A commander also helping to fill sandbags in the 110-degree heat, will get more respect that one unseen until formation times. Not that the Commander has to participate in every dirty deed, but if he/she doesn't have anything else to do - be there doing with the troops, and they'll follow you through hell later! Provide for the troops!!! Going to JRTC Low-siana swampland field exercise for 4 weeks, 100 degrees and high humidity suck - I got a Coleman portable shower together for my troops - each got a 5 gallon painted black (so the sun warmed them up during the day) water can for their end of the day/shift showers, and an electric fan and bug nets for their cots -so they could sleep in comfort after a shower at the end of a day. So, during the day, they worked their asses off for me - because they were provided for...with something not found in our "authorized" equipment. Always make sure your troops are taken care of first - they might be the lowest on the totem pole - but they are the most important element of a military unit, in order to complete the mission. When I went on long boring (for the enlisted crew members in the back with nothing to really do) instrument training flights, we landed at airfields for refueling on one of the legs where they had a good restaurant for lunch (Gaithersburg, MD, the AIRWAY CAFE), and I always bought my Crew chief's meals - because without them taking care of the aircraft before and after the flights I wouldn't be able to fly - kind of thank you! You know you are treating the troops right when they fight to be on your crew! IF you watch the movie "WE WERE SOLDIERS" you'll see the LT trying to take the hill and push him men harder and harder...don't be that guy too often. the LT that was checking his soldier's feet, and taking care of them - that's the guy you need to be to get REAL LOYALTY from the troops! As much as you can use a normal voice and polite manners, and the troops will willing do the same back to you with real respect, not that ARMY forced respect for the rank stuff - and when the time comes to yell and scream orders, those same troops will be popping and jumping to fulfill your orders the best they can. There is a time and place for yelling and screaming - so don't abuse it. In basic training, and many LEADERSHIP schools, it's expected to be a yelling, etc atmosphere, once out inthe real Army world - everyone was a person before they joined, and they still are outside the "Classroom" environment as well, with hopes and dreams beyond just their military life. Find out what those others goals are - and help your troops get to them! Some of my troops didn't know how to get college classes done while serving, so they could get promoted and stay in the Army - to provide for their families - two years later they had degrees with the right mentorship - and got promoted (even had one wife hug me at her husband's promotion ceremony). You just gotta ask the right questions and point them in the right direction. The other end of the spectrum - the A-HOLE who just pushes people around to be mean, etc (CPT SOBAL in the BAND OF BROTHERS series - played by David Schwimmer) would get a hand grenade tossed :accidentally" into their foxhole during a firefight "FRAGGED".... so, don't be that hated guy! The difference between all the ranks is a level and kind of responsibility, to make decisions which keep people alive, or get them killed..period! And as a officer, you are competing for the Senior Raters "TOP BLOCK" report cards, so don't give too many of your secrets away to your peers for how to be the BEST OF THE BEST. I made all my soldiers do what the "SMART" OFFICERS do. Set goals, but keep track of everything they do in categories in a pocket notepad they were required to carry (Free from unit supply). What they did as a soldier (Common to all) - PT Test, weapons firing, etc... What they did to help improve their unit - new procedure for cleaning the latrines? What they did involving their MOS (fixed vehicles, etc) What they did to improve themselves (Classes/schools, correspondence courses, extra PT to get better scores, etc) That way, as the leader - I got them thinking in these terms of always improving and doing - and I could fill out their report cards/counselings with a lot of good information when I reviewed their notebooks. And here's one of the biggest tips of all - Judge people by the content of their character. as those characteristics line up with expected behavior/regulations. if you write negative counseling statements like this: "Specialist Joe Snuffy has failed again to pay his car insurance three months in a row, and has been given traffic tickets for this three times. Therefore, due to SPC Joe Snuffy's lack of good character which Dr. Martin Luther King spoke of in his" I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH for how to judge people - to not be responsible for this requirement after repeated instructions from me, he is no longer allowed to operate his POV on the post, and will be he will be moving in to the barracks so he can walk to work, held back from promotion." Putting things in perspective of character judging keeps leaders from being falsely being accused of racism or sexual discrimination! Believe me - I had one dirt-bag and one great guy, both a minority race - and by writing about them with a DR. MLK character reference slipped in there (read the speech if you haven't already) one got promoted and the other easily kicked out of the Army, without any distraction complaints about me being unfair to deal with. Doing that also became a standard in my unit to avoid erroneous allegations amongst the other leaders. And that BTW- went onto my report card - AS A GOOD THING! Dismissed and Carry on!
Mark, no his response was not execssively long, in fact much more could have been added, however, most officers, retired or otherwise, do not like to write book long comments.
For a young officer one thing you need to learn. Your sergeants and warrant officers have years more experience than you in the army. They run it. They just let the officers take credit. If you treat them and others under you with respect they will make you look good. If not they have ways to ruin you.
Your business analogy is very similar to how I've described the difference in the past. I often use a construction yard analogy: Your officers are the executives who planned the building and wrote up the blueprints. The enlisted are the construction workers, with NCOs as the foremen.
You left out that the higher command appears to be greedy corporatists who are now plotting a coup? I seriously hope our NCO's stand down to the command and stand up for the US Constitution.
Back when Power Point first came out a lot of Junior officers would use to create very impressive presentations for the higher ups. One day a General, after sitting through another power point presentation asked the JR officer how long it took for him to make that 10 minute presentation "Uh, about 8 hours Sir." At the next meeting the General Passed out Chart paper and markers and told his officers to stop wasting hours on making power point presentations that would only take minutes on chart paper.
I lucked up and ended being my battalion commanders driver my whole time in the army. Definitely has it’s perks and it got me out of a lot of crap. However PT was no joke every morning, dude was a machine.
Ditto. I grew up an "Army Brat." Both my mom and dad were enlisted in the Marines (mom did 4 years, dad did 20), and my mom remarried an officer in the Army (he was 2nd Lt. when they met and a Captain when they separated, but I think I remember hearing he was given a promotion at some point after that)...unfortunately, I was too young to think deeply about the structure of the military. As an adult, I find it highly fascinating. Hence why I found this channel.
I just graduated basic training this past year I enlisted as an E-4, cause I already had my college degree. I am going to talk to my unit about going to OCS school and becoming an officer.
I’m going the officer route and I don’t want to be a desk boy and just send my guys out to do my task. I’d rather be there with them. But i don’t know if that’s how it is these days.
Best way to look at it is “what” and “how”. The officer decides what needs to happen. The how is up to the NCO. The officer tells the NCO what needs to happen and then get out of his/her way. Come back in a reasonable amount and check.
I'm 29 and a single mom. I just graduated from college with 48 credits. I'm considering joining the Air Force as a E3. People tell me I should go in as a officer. But I don't have a 4 year degree. I don't want to pull out more student loans to do almost 4 years of more college.
beautiful2 Hi. Im 30 no kids with a degree and I'm heavily going in soon. I need a change and only I can change my circumstances. This isn't an easy but I have to do what I have to do for my future.. Good luck to you ma'am! God bless! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Join the military now even if it's the Air Force that you want to consider pursuing. When your first enlistment is over, you'll reap the benefits of getting your GI bill funds to pay for your education. Normally, the Air Force requires a 4-year enlistment.
There are some programs that allow you to commission with a deferred degree. That is, you promise to commission as an officer, pending the completion of your degree. What that means is you have complete your degree by the time you make O3 or O4 depending on the branch of service. There is a tuition assistance program for all service members. There might be extra benefits, depending on your branch or field of study. The most important thing is to get physically fit. Seriously, there is a heavy piece of acceptance about PT, especially among Officers. The school will come, and the military will pay for it.
RIP and started Q school in 81 then 12 1/2 years in Special Operations (18D30) Retired Sr NCO (E8) perspective.... Officers = Book smart guys that would drowned watching rain fall but think they know the best way to do things and on paper sounds great. Enlisted = Work for a living, appear to follow orders no matter how ridiculous, fix the flaws in said orders, and try to keep your officers from killing you or themselves. Just as a heads up for young officers.... Respect is earned. LT's and some Capt's, trust your senior NCO's. For the most part a Sr. E6 or above has 'been there done that" where an O3 or less probably hasn't. (but they might have seen it in a book)
Oh please I’m an LT and I avoid enlisted like the plague when walking outside so I don’t have to get awkwardly saluted. This whole notion of LTs being dicks that demand respect are just diatribes passed on from a few instances. 95% of us don’t care about being “respected” and most of us understand we don’t have the experience of our soldiers.
The officers give their senior Ncos really high respect. An Lt NEEDS his platoon sgt. A captains jobs easier because of his 1st sgt. And Lt. colonels and up rely totally on their sergeant majors.
Ryan Gordon, The only proper plural for Sergeant Major is Sergeants Major. It's the sergeants which are being pluralized, not the "major". PS, it's not Staffs Sergeant, but Staff Sergeants.
Its really Interesting.But in India , the young officers have to lead the operations into enemy lines.Most commonly it is a Lt.Colonel or a Major who is the commanding officer on the field during the operation.I heard from my friend's father that the officer is expected to lead by example and look after the soldiers under his command.
That's great! I don't know if you have seen any of my other videos but I've made several on the whole joining process and ensuring you do it the right way!
All one has to do is go to a local cheap mommy and daddy paid for college. Goof off for 4 years. Live at home. Dont work. Play on your phone. Eat for free. On there med insurance. There car insurance. Then at 22 join the military. Then as an officer the gravey train will continue. Be sure to stay on there phone plan. Hey why should you pay your way. Work whats that???
This is an old video, I think up till now you must be commissioned "Congratulations!" and as well hope that you are promoted. What rank are you at this time as an Officer.
hey guys. quick question. if i have an associates in science and nursing degree what rank would i come in at? im debating whether or not to join the service so im doing research on these things
1SGs will have the say so in the company. You’ll see. Especially when your 1SG has more stripes on his left arm then the CPT of years in the army. 2LT/LT just get pranked on. Well atleast in the 82nd.
Should there be an enlisted badge to ensure that the soldiers feel safe? To show that the officer have prior enlisted service like on their dress blues and battle dress? Like we see how soldiers can get a airborne or infantry badge, what about a badge exclusive to officers by showing an enlisted badge? Good morale.
I've had a stab at both roles and in my opinion one thing people leave out when asking themselves this question is responsibility and in reality that plays a major role in all of this What I think people should do is enlist first then commission I have met a few officers who were enlisted and they have very strong opinions to having previous military experience before commissioning
You have to a lot of paper work as an officer. You have a lot more baggage than someone who just wants to be warfighter. It really depends on the personal situation of the recruit. For the record though, I am going to enlist in the national guard and then go to a military institute for my commission.
Great video my man! Very informative thanks. But hey man I do graphics on the side and would love to help you out with some improvements. I'll do things for super cheap for your service to our country!
Camille Acevedo i think in OSC you gotta have a 4 year degree. In Rotc is a way to be an officer while you work on a 4 year degree. ROTC is 2 year. I am not all that knowledge on contracts but they are different. If you have a four year degree go OSC it's a little faster.
I already have my degree and I’m enlisting e4 but I plan to go to ocs. I wouldn’t mind doing rotc in graduate school because I’d also get the best of both worlds. My question is do you recommend rotc or ocs considering ocs is shorter
Hi Matt my name is Patrick and I'm a 10th grader and I REALLY want to join the Army as an officer and Im really freakin out because I heard it is hard to get an ROTC scholarship and I have a small school and Im afraid I wont get it so if you could make a video with some advice that would be awesome because im literally freakin out about it... and im no weakling coward thats afraid to work with my hands but my Dad doesnt want me to join the Military and I dont want to enlist and spit in his face but if I get an ROTC scholarship then that will be better.. Im no coward
I took the ASVAB Test 5 times to be enlisted in the US Army, and still ain’t passed it. I’ll rather be commissioned in the US Army than enlisted. I was to be a leader and a coach, not a follower. I’m in Army ROTC right now in college,, and once I get done with Army ROTC in college, I will be commissioned in the Army as 2nd Lieutenant. For all of you out there who really want to join the Army, go to Army ROTC. Yeah, it may take 4 years to get there, but it’s the easiest way to get in the Army as a officer. Do NOT enlist!!!! That ASVAB is fucking hard, and you will stress yourself out trying to pass it if you failed it about 3-4 times already. Now, if you passed the ASVAB for all of you enlisted soldiers out there, it’s fine. But what I’m saying to those wanna be enlisted soldiers out there, if you failed the ASVAB Test so many times, and if you really want to join the Army, join Army ROTC. I promise you, you’re gonna like it. Thank you, and God bless America. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
+Sarah Chibi Basically the job of a cadet at drill is to shadow the officers and see what they do. That's a pretty limited thing and gets boring so sometimes I just chill with the enlisted and help them do stuff.
I’m an E4 now. 28. Reserve. Trying to decide what I’m going to do. I want to become a drill and work with the soldiers while in all I figure if I do ROTC as a graduate student I’ll have more opportunities. I feel like I’m not doing anything in the reserves and it’s frustrating. If anybody can chime in please do
Yes officers assume all responsibility and have command. How the non commissioned officer is the backbone of the military...the NCO from day one they basic training, to your first unit...is the one training and mentoring new soldiers...without the NCO the military would not operate... also NCO train officer cadets at Officers Canidate School, A SFC will mentor a butter bar , with new command. .I've seen it...its not the company commander...but the platoon sgt, and the platoon in general making officers look good
Hey SPC were are the warrant officers in you reviews, don't tell me we don't count, the only reason I became a great warrant officer it's because I was an even better NCO. Don't forget about us the warrants who always have your back. In flight, ground and in Arms.
Really enlisted soldier will be left outside, ur wrong, what kind of officer is that. And respect is earn, is not demand just cause ur an officer. Well hope the best for u if u going with the mindset that ur better then and enlisted. U as a new officer can gain a lot from the privates trust me. Just my opinion
It gets better. She met her future husband in law school. His loan payment is the same. Thats a total of $2200.00 a month. Thats before they eat. To this day he still thinks i, as her father should have paid for the wedding. Working till you drop is for fools.What do they care? 55 and out. 4 years was enough for me.
Hey, taking the ASVAB next week and going in enlisted, how would i go about reaching the point of, the path i should take in becoming an officer. 24 years old no degree
You HAVE to have a 4 year degree unless you go through OCS after enlisting and making it to to i believe E-5 before applying for OCS. Or you could apply for the Green to Gold program which would send you to school to do the ROTC program for 2 years and then you would graduate. Both of these situations you MUST have a great track record in your time in the Army and show a promising career in the Army. Basically you can't do anything about it now because you don't have a degree, so you will have to just go through training and when you get to your unit immediately let them know that you want to go Green to Gold or that you want to eventually go OCS.
Every Fiscal year the Army will release a MILPER message that outlines the exact criteria that must be met before applying for Officer Candidate School or using the Green to Gold program. Due to your age and lack of college going to OCS will be a challenge. Assuming you have not completed any college you will need to enroll and complete your BA degree. You will not be eligible for tuition assistance ($4,500 per FY not to exceed 16? credits / $250 a credit) until one year after completing your Advance Individual Training. This means you will be approximately 25 before you are able to start any form of college, unless you pay out of pocket for classes. Currently Service members must be able under age 30 before the selection board convenes. Waivers are eligible for SM ages 33 and under, but SM cannot exceed 10 years Federal Active Service time. There is no rank restriction for applying to OCS. Most candidates will be in the grade of E-4 or E-5. These are individuals who came into the Army with their BA. You will be severely restricted on brick and mortar colleges you are able to go attend. This leaves distance / online colleges. A lot of online college is self drive and easily achievable. Completing 30+ credits a year is possible being active duty. I know because I completed my 30+ hours as a Drill Sergeant earning my BA and being accepted into OCS. For more information on Green to Gold or colleges you will need to visit your Ed Center. There is no need to inform your CoC of your desire to apply for any of these programs until you know you are eligible. The worst thing you can be is a PVT that speaks and does not perform.
Sign up for hard stuff - AIRBORNE, AIR ASSAULT, RANGER (make them put those schools in your contract) - and that will accelerate you plenty if you can do it! And work on college - get at least a two-year degree to apply for OCS, eventually, you'll need to complete a 4-year degree to stay in as an officer.! Or finish an enlisted hitch and go to ROTC...then back in as a seasoned soldier and not too wet behind the ears 2LT. Then again, if you'd like to fly- look at the WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM NOW!
I plan on doing SMP in college and I was curious what you majored in? Because I want to major in Comp Sci but i'm afraid it will affect my OML. Any tips?
+Teshi Moeng I'm a computer science major! And yes it's a harder major than others so it's more difficult to get a high GPA but on the OML you get extra points for being a STEM major. So it kinda equals out. Although Computer Science is definitely a "no joke" major so you still gotta work hardd!
The only difference is you aren't combat arms. Basic training is the same at Benning. Experiences will be different because you will have different DS but across the board it's the same. Also, Infantry does OSUT which is different in a way, but I don't think that's what you are asking.
if you go from enlisted soldier, from a high rank that pays more than a 2nd lieutenant, do yo stay with your enlisted salary? I don’t think it will decrease but just wanted to know.
The Air Force pay schedule for officers who are prior enlisted include the O-1E, O-2E, and O-3E grades. Lieutenants and Captains who were enlisted actually make more than those who weren't. This applies only to Lieutenants and Captains, then drops off with Majors. In addition, pay increases with time in service, so those prior enlisted make more due to their time. Not sure, but it is probably the same in the other branches.
I wanna do running start and get a bachelors degree when im 20 instead of 22 and then join the marines as an officer but at the same time I wanna enlist at 18
I just want to be in the military for a small amount of time and I will be enlisted so my plan is that when I get out I will have more than 2 years of full time military and I wanna know if I can be in the police department cause that’s the requirement
General Officers make policy give commands Company/Field Grade provide input towards policy ensure compliance with commanders intent Warrants know how operational environments impact policy and provide guidance and council on whether policies will work and impact the mission Senior NCO's implement the policies and advise how they impact the enlisted personnel responsible to carry out these policies/mission Junior NCO's provide first echelon supervision and task supervision of crucial tasks required towards mission success Enlisted personnel perform tasks crucial to mission success
Lieutenant, because all officer ranks are higher than enlisted ranks. While the sergeant major of the army is in a much higher leadership echelon than a 2LT, the 2LT is still an officer and therefore higher.
Hello, can I get some advice? I'm sixteen and am going to get my GED and hopefully get a good score, and then I'm going to join the air force training academy in Colorado, and join the air force as an officer. What's the difference between ROTC and AFTA or air force training academy. And what do you think about this plan?
So if I join as an army physician through the HPSP scholarship program would I start off as an officer? And would I be seen differently from other officers
Blinkered Mist, As a physician in the army you are going to be starting out as an officer, probably at the rank of Captain. As a physician, at the rank of Captain, you will be treated somewhat better than a private, because of the "railroad tracks" on your uniform. The possible exceptions to this are among the senior medical staff and the senior enlisted, and officers, both staff and non-staff. I'd not be surprised if even the senior E-4's not on the staff treat you more like a near equal than they would if you were commanding a company or a troop. After all, as a Captain/Doctor in the medical corps, you are "just starting out", where a Captain in the Infantry has some years of real experience behind him/her.
I'll give you a hint, from someone who was enlisted, a warrant officer, and took a commissioning oath and did commissioning officer duty and responsibilities - section leader, flight operations officer, company commander. - retired, x 2 wars - veteran.
Major duties/MOS - Special Forces A-team medic, Flight Medic, and Senior Aviator....
Treat you soldiers with as much respect as you would an officer when addressing them. If you come off like a high and mighty authoritarian all the time when it is unnecessary, it won't take long for them to do their best to help you - FAIL! And you won't have REAL RESPECT for the person you are from the troops, they'll just go through the required military motions enough to stay out of trouble, and your unit's moral will sink!
Don't be afraid to lead by example, when you can. A commander also helping to fill sandbags in the 110-degree heat, will get more respect that one unseen until formation times. Not that the Commander has to participate in every dirty deed, but if he/she doesn't have anything else to do - be there doing with the troops, and they'll follow you through hell later!
Provide for the troops!!! Going to JRTC Low-siana swampland field exercise for 4 weeks, 100 degrees and high humidity suck - I got a Coleman portable shower together for my troops - each got a 5 gallon painted black (so the sun warmed them up during the day) water can for their end of the day/shift showers, and an electric fan and bug nets for their cots -so they could sleep in comfort after a shower at the end of a day. So, during the day, they worked their asses off for me - because they were provided for...with something not found in our "authorized" equipment.
Always make sure your troops are taken care of first - they might be the lowest on the totem pole - but they are the most important element of a military unit, in order to complete the mission.
When I went on long boring (for the enlisted crew members in the back with nothing to really do) instrument training flights, we landed at airfields for refueling on one of the legs where they had a good restaurant for lunch (Gaithersburg, MD, the AIRWAY CAFE), and I always bought my Crew chief's meals - because without them taking care of the aircraft before and after the flights I wouldn't be able to fly - kind of thank you! You know you are treating the troops right when they fight to be on your crew!
IF you watch the movie "WE WERE SOLDIERS" you'll see the LT trying to take the hill and push him men harder and harder...don't be that guy too often. the LT that was checking his soldier's feet, and taking care of them - that's the guy you need to be to get REAL LOYALTY from the troops! As much as you can use a normal voice and polite manners, and the troops will willing do the same back to you with real respect, not that ARMY forced respect for the rank stuff - and when the time comes to yell and scream orders, those same troops will be popping and jumping to fulfill your orders the best they can. There is a time and place for yelling and screaming - so don't abuse it. In basic training, and many LEADERSHIP schools, it's expected to be a yelling, etc atmosphere, once out inthe real Army world - everyone was a person before they joined, and they still are outside the "Classroom" environment as well, with hopes and dreams beyond just their military life.
Find out what those others goals are - and help your troops get to them! Some of my troops didn't know how to get college classes done while serving, so they could get promoted and stay in the Army - to provide for their families - two years later they had degrees with the right mentorship - and got promoted (even had one wife hug me at her husband's promotion ceremony). You just gotta ask the right questions and point them in the right direction.
The other end of the spectrum - the A-HOLE who just pushes people around to be mean, etc (CPT SOBAL in the BAND OF BROTHERS series - played by David Schwimmer) would get a hand grenade tossed :accidentally" into their foxhole during a firefight "FRAGGED".... so, don't be that hated guy!
The difference between all the ranks is a level and kind of responsibility, to make decisions which keep people alive, or get them killed..period!
And as a officer, you are competing for the Senior Raters "TOP BLOCK" report cards, so don't give too many of your secrets away to your peers for how to be the BEST OF THE BEST.
I made all my soldiers do what the "SMART" OFFICERS do. Set goals, but keep track of everything they do in categories in a pocket notepad they were required to carry (Free from unit supply).
What they did as a soldier (Common to all) - PT Test, weapons firing, etc...
What they did to help improve their unit - new procedure for cleaning the latrines?
What they did involving their MOS (fixed vehicles, etc)
What they did to improve themselves (Classes/schools, correspondence courses, extra PT to get better scores, etc)
That way, as the leader - I got them thinking in these terms of always improving and doing - and I could fill out their report cards/counselings with a lot of good information when I reviewed their notebooks.
And here's one of the biggest tips of all -
Judge people by the content of their character. as those characteristics line up with expected behavior/regulations. if you write negative counseling statements like this:
"Specialist Joe Snuffy has failed again to pay his car insurance three months in a row, and has been given traffic tickets for this three times. Therefore, due to SPC Joe Snuffy's lack of good character which Dr. Martin Luther King spoke of in his" I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH for how to judge people - to not be responsible for this requirement after repeated instructions from me, he is no longer allowed to operate his POV on the post, and will be he will be moving in to the barracks so he can walk to work, held back from promotion."
Putting things in perspective of character judging keeps leaders from being falsely being accused of racism or sexual discrimination! Believe me - I had one dirt-bag and one great guy, both a minority race - and by writing about them with a DR. MLK character reference slipped in there (read the speech if you haven't already) one got promoted and the other easily kicked out of the Army, without any distraction complaints about me being unfair to deal with. Doing that also became a standard in my unit to avoid erroneous allegations amongst the other leaders. And that BTW- went onto my report card - AS A GOOD THING!
Dismissed and Carry on!
David Av8or Pflanz This cause your a leader and not a jerk.
David Av8or Pflanz that reply was excessively long.
Mark, no his response was not execssively long, in fact much more could have been added, however, most officers, retired or otherwise, do not like to write book long comments.
ZZstaff you're a little poser.
David Av8or Pflanz This is the best comment I have ever read.Sir.
For a young officer one thing you need to learn. Your sergeants and warrant officers have years more experience than you in the army. They run it. They just let the officers take credit. If you treat them and others under you with respect they will make you look good. If not they have ways to ruin you.
Hit it on the nail
Very very true.
Absolutely 👍🏾
Your business analogy is very similar to how I've described the difference in the past. I often use a construction yard analogy: Your officers are the executives who planned the building and wrote up the blueprints. The enlisted are the construction workers, with NCOs as the foremen.
Enlisted: executors, operational
Officers: planners, tactical
You left out that the higher command appears to be greedy corporatists who are now plotting a coup? I seriously hope our NCO's stand down to the command and stand up for the US Constitution.
But aren’t they both enlisted ?
I thought officers where on the field with the enlisted?
Help me understand here but, how much/often do Officers consult their teams in planning?
E.g., "Raid on Position X"
Strategic. Not tactical. Tactical is nco level.
Back when Power Point first came out a lot of Junior officers would use to create very impressive presentations for the higher ups. One day a General, after sitting through another power point presentation asked the JR officer how long it took for him to make that 10 minute presentation "Uh, about 8 hours Sir." At the next meeting the General Passed out Chart paper and markers and told his officers to stop wasting hours on making power point presentations that would only take minutes on chart paper.
E4 to O1 here. Many NCOs didnt like it, but hey, not everyone wants to see others succeed.
OrganicChemistry2 how long it took you from e4 to O1 .. i am gonna join as an E4 and kind of lost here. Thank you
I heard if you have a college degree and go enlisted you can start at a E4, I think that's correct I haven't officially enlisted yet
@Brandon Deese bachelor degree as far as I know because I have a teacher that went to bct at fort Lauderdale and moved up to an e4
@@justahuglyahhboi9676 there is no FT. Lauderdale (as far as the military is concerned) maybe ment FT. Leonard Wood.
How many years of service do you need? I want to jump from e4 to o1.
I lucked up and ended being my battalion commanders driver my whole time in the army. Definitely has it’s perks and it got me out of a lot of crap. However PT was no joke every morning, dude was a machine.
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Officers = Planners
Enlisted = Initiators
So basically the lower enlist are the building blocks of the army .
More like sheer force
Don't go for the tangent, the lower enlisted are THE BUILDERS.
Fodder.
@@looseNjoocy And the officers are the ones telling the builders what to build
Maybee you can say
Enlisted = operational
Officers = taktical.
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"Salute the rank, not the man." Major Dick Winters
I would really love to hear about the Warrant Officers, too.
Ditto. I grew up an "Army Brat." Both my mom and dad were enlisted in the Marines (mom did 4 years, dad did 20), and my mom remarried an officer in the Army (he was 2nd Lt. when they met and a Captain when they separated, but I think I remember hearing he was given a promotion at some point after that)...unfortunately, I was too young to think deeply about the structure of the military. As an adult, I find it highly fascinating. Hence why I found this channel.
@@jenjuice432 he asked about warrant officers. 2nd Lt are not warrant but commissioned
@@adnaaar6782 yeah don't mind me. I was probably drunk when I wrote that.
I just graduated basic training this past year I enlisted as an E-4, cause I already had my college degree. I am going to talk to my unit about going to OCS school and becoming an officer.
Officer: I’m the guy with money and a wiki page
Enlisted: I know how to have fun
Warrant officer: you want a helichoper
You're in for a rude awakening as a new LT...
Aren't we all...
A very rude awakening.
Lmfao couldn't have said it better myself lol
Very politely said but very true
Can you guys explain why? I’m currently being recruited and think about it, this is making me second guess??
I’m going the officer route and I don’t want to be a desk boy and just send my guys out to do my task. I’d rather be there with them. But i don’t know if that’s how it is these days.
Officer : White collar
Enlisted: Blue collar
Best way to look at it is “what” and “how”. The officer decides what needs to happen. The how is up to the NCO. The officer tells the NCO what needs to happen and then get out of his/her way. Come back in a reasonable amount and check.
I'm 29 and a single mom. I just graduated from college with 48 credits. I'm considering joining the Air Force as a E3. People tell me I should go in as a officer. But I don't have a 4 year degree. I don't want to pull out more student loans to do almost 4 years of more college.
beautiful2 Hi. Im 30 no kids with a degree and I'm heavily going in soon. I need a change and only I can change my circumstances. This isn't an easy but I have to do what I have to do for my future.. Good luck to you ma'am! God bless! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Jasmine Michelle thank you good luck to you.
beautiful2 thank you. Same to you. God bless!
Join the military now even if it's the Air Force that you want to consider pursuing. When your first enlistment is over, you'll reap the benefits of getting your GI bill funds to pay for your education. Normally, the Air Force requires a 4-year enlistment.
There are some programs that allow you to commission with a deferred degree. That is, you promise to commission as an officer, pending the completion of your degree. What that means is you have complete your degree by the time you make O3 or O4 depending on the branch of service. There is a tuition assistance program for all service members. There might be extra benefits, depending on your branch or field of study. The most important thing is to get physically fit. Seriously, there is a heavy piece of acceptance about PT, especially among Officers. The school will come, and the military will pay for it.
A better way to put it is that Officers are assigned Offices and the Sergeants manage those offices in accordance with the orders of the Commander.
Just remember there Lt to listen to the senior NCOs .....and do not get LOST !!!
This LT getting lost thing is so washed up 😂 I know so many NCOs that can’t remember how to land nav
1 week before heading to Georgia. i just want to say thanks for the advice and putting your time into the videos
Thanks for the support man and good luck to you! It's going to be an experience!
RIP and started Q school in 81 then 12 1/2 years in Special Operations (18D30)
Retired Sr NCO (E8) perspective.... Officers = Book smart guys that would drowned watching rain fall but think they know the best way to do things and on paper sounds great. Enlisted = Work for a living, appear to follow orders no matter how ridiculous, fix the flaws in said orders, and try to keep your officers from killing you or themselves.
Just as a heads up for young officers.... Respect is earned. LT's and some Capt's, trust your senior NCO's. For the most part a Sr. E6 or above has 'been there done that" where an O3 or less probably hasn't. (but they might have seen it in a book)
Generating the plan and planning the mission without the Senior NCOs is really risky!
Yea that never happens. Senior NCO's have more involvement in the mission than the lower ranking Officers.
What’s the dynamic between upper enlisted and lower officers? Master Sargent as opposed to a Lieutenant?
What is the difference between a General and a 2nd LT? A General will forgive you if you forget to Salute.
Oh please I’m an LT and I avoid enlisted like the plague when walking outside so I don’t have to get awkwardly saluted. This whole notion of LTs being dicks that demand respect are just diatribes passed on from a few instances. 95% of us don’t care about being “respected” and most of us understand we don’t have the experience of our soldiers.
Forgot to add the fact that if an officer is not prior enlisted, we don’t respect you.
How did I not know you made this video!! I've been looking for it!!
The officers give their senior Ncos really high respect. An Lt NEEDS his platoon sgt. A captains jobs easier because of his 1st sgt. And Lt. colonels and up rely totally on their sergeant majors.
Ryan Gordon, The only proper plural for Sergeant Major is Sergeants Major. It's the sergeants which are being pluralized, not the "major". PS, it's not Staffs Sergeant, but Staff Sergeants.
Its really Interesting.But in India , the young officers have to lead the operations into enemy lines.Most commonly it is a Lt.Colonel or a Major who is the commanding officer on the field during the operation.I heard from my friend's father that the officer is expected to lead by example and look after the soldiers under his command.
I love CoD modern warfare. Saw the poster you have of it!!
Same! It's the first CoD I played back in the day :)
I'm thinking about joining the army in a few years
That's great! I don't know if you have seen any of my other videos but I've made several on the whole joining process and ensuring you do it the right way!
I wanna be a soldier one day
You kind of look like Captain Winters from Band of Brothers lol.
Haha I've heard that before so good catch but I don't see it
Hmmm My uncle said once it was Fun to be in the war as a NCO rather than being a Officer in the Office doing paperwork
All one has to do is go to a local cheap mommy and daddy paid for college. Goof off for 4 years. Live at home. Dont work. Play on your phone. Eat for free. On there med insurance. There car insurance. Then at 22 join the military. Then as an officer the gravey train will continue. Be sure to stay on there phone plan. Hey why should you pay your way. Work whats that???
This is an old video, I think up till now you must be commissioned "Congratulations!" and as well hope that you are promoted. What rank are you at this time as an Officer.
Glad I'm starting off as an e3 so I don't have that far to climb up rank 😅
That's definitely a plus. The pay increase from e-2 to e-3 is also a nice little bump. You will be in the E-4 Mafia before you know it!
Shootemup89 thanks for the motivation can't wait
James I have an associate degree but if you have four years of college you can start off as an e4
hey guys. quick question. if i have an associates in science and nursing degree what rank would i come in at? im debating whether or not to join the service so im doing research on these things
Xavier you would be an e3 because of that associate if you had done 4 years you would have been an e4
Four years enlisted 16 commissioned retired as an 04,
1SGs will have the say so in the company. You’ll see. Especially when your 1SG has more stripes on his left arm then the CPT of years in the army. 2LT/LT just get pranked on. Well atleast in the 82nd.
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Should there be an enlisted badge to ensure that the soldiers feel safe? To show that the officer have prior enlisted service like on their dress blues and battle dress? Like we see how soldiers can get a airborne or infantry badge, what about a badge exclusive to officers by showing an enlisted badge? Good morale.
I've had a stab at both roles and in my opinion one thing people leave out when asking themselves this question is responsibility and in reality that plays a major role in all of this
What I think people should do is enlist first then commission
I have met a few officers who were enlisted and they have very strong opinions to having previous military experience before commissioning
Cadets are that weird gray area that nobody knows what to do with. That's what I have learned from my short time in the military.
I need someone to sweep the sunshine off the sidewalk and put sun tan lotions on the rocks so they won't get sunburn.
I can’t wait for your unit to find these videos 😂
He's not doing anything wrong.
Outstanding Information! Thank you for taking the time to explain.
My brother is in the army he is a first sergeant
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@@ja8867 are you proud of urself?
Then why would anyone even want to choice the enlisted path? Sounds like officers is better than enlisted in every way.
You have to a lot of paper work as an officer. You have a lot more baggage than someone who just wants to be warfighter. It really depends on the personal situation of the recruit. For the record though, I am going to enlist in the national guard and then go to a military institute for my commission.
The Warrant Officer Corps is where it’s really at. Enlisted looks up to the Chief and the Officers are often saved by the Chief as well.
i’m enlisting and i ship out this june my plans include joining ROTC when i get back to school, how does that work as an enlisted soldier?
Lisa Jaelyn did you figure it out yet
Great video my man! Very informative thanks. But hey man I do graphics on the side and would love to help you out with some improvements. I'll do things for super cheap for your service to our country!
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Wait till you hit O-2/O-3 and start doing endless MDMP.
whats MDMP ?
So I got out after 3 years of active duty and would love to go Officer, I just dont know what route to take. OCS OR ROTC?
Camille Acevedo i think in OSC you gotta have a 4 year degree. In Rotc is a way to be an officer while you work on a 4 year degree. ROTC is 2 year. I am not all that knowledge on contracts but they are different. If you have a four year degree go OSC it's a little faster.
I already have my degree and I’m enlisting e4 but I plan to go to ocs. I wouldn’t mind doing rotc in graduate school because I’d also get the best of both worlds. My question is do you recommend rotc or ocs considering ocs is shorter
Go OCS first to save time.
blazeesq2000 that’s what I want but the application process is so long for a civilian you don’t even know the half of it
Hi Matt my name is Patrick and I'm a 10th grader and I REALLY want to join the Army as an officer and Im really freakin out because I heard it is hard to get an ROTC scholarship and I have a small school and Im afraid I wont get it so if you could make a video with some advice that would be awesome because im literally freakin out about it... and im no weakling coward thats afraid to work with my hands but my Dad doesnt want me to join the Military and I dont want to enlist and spit in his face but if I get an ROTC scholarship then that will be better.. Im no coward
Having seen both sides officially now, do you think what you said still holds up?
I took the ASVAB Test 5 times to be enlisted in the US Army, and still ain’t passed it. I’ll rather be commissioned in the US Army than enlisted. I was to be a leader and a coach, not a follower. I’m in Army ROTC right now in college,, and once I get done with Army ROTC in college, I will be commissioned in the Army as 2nd Lieutenant. For all of you out there who really want to join the Army, go to Army ROTC. Yeah, it may take 4 years to get there, but it’s the easiest way to get in the Army as a officer. Do NOT enlist!!!! That ASVAB is fucking hard, and you will stress yourself out trying to pass it if you failed it about 3-4 times already. Now, if you passed the ASVAB for all of you enlisted soldiers out there, it’s fine. But what I’m saying to those wanna be enlisted soldiers out there, if you failed the ASVAB Test so many times, and if you really want to join the Army, join Army ROTC. I promise you, you’re gonna like it. Thank you, and God bless America. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hello Sir, Is it possible for transfer from Reserved Major (15 years in service) to Active duty? Whats the qualifications sir, thank you
If you start out as an e1 how long would it take to get to e9
Like 20-25 years
What is your role as a cadet drilling at your unit?
+Sarah Chibi Basically the job of a cadet at drill is to shadow the officers and see what they do. That's a pretty limited thing and gets boring so sometimes I just chill with the enlisted and help them do stuff.
I’m an E4 now. 28. Reserve. Trying to decide what I’m going to do. I want to become a drill and work with the soldiers while in all I figure if I do ROTC as a graduate student I’ll have more opportunities. I feel like I’m not doing anything in the reserves and it’s frustrating. If anybody can chime in please do
Yes officers assume all responsibility and have command. How the non commissioned officer is the backbone of the military...the NCO from day one they basic training, to your first unit...is the one training and mentoring new soldiers...without the NCO the military would not operate... also NCO train officer cadets at Officers Canidate School, A SFC will mentor a butter bar , with new command. .I've seen it...its not the company commander...but the platoon sgt, and the platoon in general making officers look good
Hey SPC were are the warrant officers in you reviews, don't tell me we don't count, the only reason I became a great warrant officer it's because I was an even better NCO. Don't forget about us the warrants who always have your back. In flight, ground and in Arms.
LT you have allot to learn.
Really enlisted soldier will be left outside, ur wrong, what kind of officer is that. And respect is earn, is not demand just cause ur an officer. Well hope the best for u if u going with the mindset that ur better then and enlisted. U as a new officer can gain a lot from the privates trust me. Just my opinion
It gets better. She met her future husband in law school. His loan payment is the same. Thats a total of $2200.00 a month. Thats before they eat. To this day he still thinks i, as her father should have paid for the wedding. Working till you drop is for fools.What do they care? 55 and out. 4 years was enough for me.
Hey, taking the ASVAB next week and going in enlisted, how would i go about reaching the point of, the path i should take in becoming an officer. 24 years old no degree
You HAVE to have a 4 year degree unless you go through OCS after enlisting and making it to to i believe E-5 before applying for OCS. Or you could apply for the Green to Gold program which would send you to school to do the ROTC program for 2 years and then you would graduate. Both of these situations you MUST have a great track record in your time in the Army and show a promising career in the Army. Basically you can't do anything about it now because you don't have a degree, so you will have to just go through training and when you get to your unit immediately let them know that you want to go Green to Gold or that you want to eventually go OCS.
Every Fiscal year the Army will release a MILPER message that outlines the exact criteria that must be met before applying for Officer Candidate School or using the Green to Gold program.
Due to your age and lack of college going to OCS will be a challenge. Assuming you have not completed any college you will need to enroll and complete your BA degree. You will not be eligible for tuition assistance ($4,500 per FY not to exceed 16? credits / $250 a credit) until one year after completing your Advance Individual Training. This means you will be approximately 25 before you are able to start any form of college, unless you pay out of pocket for classes.
Currently Service members must be able under age 30 before the selection board convenes. Waivers are eligible for SM ages 33 and under, but SM cannot exceed 10 years Federal Active Service time. There is no rank restriction for applying to OCS. Most candidates will be in the grade of E-4 or E-5. These are individuals who came into the Army with their BA.
You will be severely restricted on brick and mortar colleges you are able to go attend. This leaves distance / online colleges. A lot of online college is self drive and easily achievable. Completing 30+ credits a year is possible being active duty. I know because I completed my 30+ hours as a Drill Sergeant earning my BA and being accepted into OCS.
For more information on Green to Gold or colleges you will need to visit your Ed Center. There is no need to inform your CoC of your desire to apply for any of these programs until you know you are eligible. The worst thing you can be is a PVT that speaks and does not perform.
Sign up for hard stuff - AIRBORNE, AIR ASSAULT, RANGER (make them put those schools in your contract) - and that will accelerate you plenty if you can do it! And work on college - get at least a two-year degree to apply for OCS, eventually, you'll need to complete a 4-year degree to stay in as an officer.! Or finish an enlisted hitch and go to ROTC...then back in as a seasoned soldier and not too wet behind the ears 2LT.
Then again, if you'd like to fly- look at the WARRANT OFFICER PROGRAM NOW!
First of all, get your batchelors mate. You can do that also by joining the air force training academy.
Im seriously thinking about becoming a officer
I plan on doing SMP in college and I was curious what you majored in? Because I want to major in Comp Sci but i'm afraid it will affect my OML. Any tips?
+Teshi Moeng I'm a computer science major! And yes it's a harder major than others so it's more difficult to get a high GPA but on the OML you get extra points for being a STEM major. So it kinda equals out. Although Computer Science is definitely a "no joke" major so you still gotta work hardd!
Thanks man!! I'm less worried about it now. I was afraid I wouldn't score well just because I was doing a major that I was into.
Could you please explain what it's like for the non-infantry people who are going to Ft Benning? Is there any differences at all?
The only difference is you aren't combat arms. Basic training is the same at Benning. Experiences will be different because you will have different DS but across the board it's the same. Also, Infantry does OSUT which is different in a way, but I don't think that's what you are asking.
But if I can get my buddies to join with me won’t I come out of basic as an e2
if you go from enlisted soldier, from a high rank that pays more than a 2nd lieutenant, do yo stay with your enlisted salary? I don’t think it will decrease but just wanted to know.
The Air Force pay schedule for officers who are prior enlisted include the O-1E, O-2E, and O-3E grades. Lieutenants and Captains who were enlisted actually make more than those who weren't. This applies only to Lieutenants and Captains, then drops off with Majors. In addition, pay increases with time in service, so those prior enlisted make more due to their time. Not sure, but it is probably the same in the other branches.
Officers compose a plan and enlisted execute that plan.
I wanna do running start and get a bachelors degree when im 20 instead of 22 and then join the marines as an officer but at the same time I wanna enlist at 18
Can you be an officer and a military doctor?
Graduating with my BS in Biology and going to join the army as a Officer. What am I expecting?
How was it?
I just want to be in the military for a small amount of time and I will be enlisted so my plan is that when I get out I will have more than 2 years of full time military and I wanna know if I can be in the police department cause that’s the requirement
Nate Moreno Are you dumb you don’t have to be in the military to be in the police
I hear military is great for FBI, CIA, etc.
The right term is Jr enlisted bro!!
What is the rank if you enlist as a officer?
First officer rank in the Army is 2Lt. If you pass OCS I believe.
Do officers still fight? Or are they doing desk jobs
General Officers make policy give commands
Company/Field Grade provide input towards policy ensure compliance with commanders intent
Warrants know how operational environments impact policy and provide guidance and council on whether policies will work and impact the mission
Senior NCO's implement the policies and advise how they impact the enlisted personnel responsible to carry out these policies/mission
Junior NCO's provide first echelon supervision and task supervision of crucial tasks required towards mission success
Enlisted personnel perform tasks crucial to mission success
So once I have a 4 year degree do I have to go through basic training first?
Jose Roldan in the army, yes. You still have to go to bct before ocs
So how would it be if I turned in my transcript and I become an officer before going into basic.At Meps, I heard Officer Grovner instead of Pvt
How long is OCS? And how tough it is compared to boot camp ?
So do you deploy and go on missions as an officer or are you high enough up that you just do admin stuff.
All officers except general officers are in the field with their troops. They’re just generally behind the “front lines”, usually in a TOC or CP.
Why did you pick Army Reseves instead of NG?
Do officers see combat though? Do they go on missions with the enlisted?
A Cow Yeah, and even some generals have fought alongside their men in the past
Up until the Captain level yes, after that (field grade officers) generally no they’re not out on missions.
Not gonna lie, officers are pretty lazy but also the angriest person in the military to.
Segeant major or 2.lieutenant, which one higher.
That's like asking, "Which is better, Chevrolet or Samsung?" 2 totally different worlds.
Lieutenant, because all officer ranks are higher than enlisted ranks. While the sergeant major of the army is in a much higher leadership echelon than a 2LT, the 2LT is still an officer and therefore higher.
Do officers fight in combat?
Depends on your mos and what duties you have
Hello, can I get some advice? I'm sixteen and am going to get my GED and hopefully get a good score, and then I'm going to join the air force training academy in Colorado, and join the air force as an officer. What's the difference between ROTC and AFTA or air force training academy. And what do you think about this plan?
Two officers per platoon right
So if I join as an army physician through the HPSP scholarship program would I start off as an officer? And would I be seen differently from other officers
Blinkered Mist, As a physician in the army you are going to be starting out as an officer, probably at the rank of Captain. As a physician, at the rank of Captain, you will be treated somewhat better than a private, because of the "railroad tracks" on your uniform. The possible exceptions to this are among the senior medical staff and the senior enlisted, and officers, both staff and non-staff. I'd not be surprised if even the senior E-4's not on the staff treat you more like a near equal than they would if you were commanding a company or a troop. After all, as a Captain/Doctor in the medical corps, you are "just starting out", where a Captain in the Infantry has some years of real experience behind him/her.
I'm a major in the US army 55th battalion.
I hope you know that makes no sense....
slak maltigo that sounds so hardcore 😮... How did you get there? I want to be just like you 🤓
A CPT is more like a store manager.
After swearing in at meps what happens then? I wanna leave asap. Do they also have basic training in December?
Yes and it depends on when you leave for basic. After MEPS you just go home if you aren't leaving that day.
Shootemup89 thank you
How difficult is it to become an officer?
Officers = College degree
Enlisted = High school diploma
So does this go for the National Guard, too?
Yepp
Enlisted really needs more money for what they do