NEW WORLD OF SUPER DUKE SETUP - STREET TRACK RACE - 1290 & 1390 KTM SUPERDUKE R, RR, EVO - PART I
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- The New World of Superduke Setup for street, track, and race - KTM 1290/1390 Super Duke R, RR, EVO - Part I
There is a new world of setup now, for our favorite Gen3 Superduke 1290 - and for the new Gen4 Superduke 1390! Learn about new bar position options, new triple clamp offset choices, new ideas on rear ride height, the value of getting your knee on the ground for bike control and confidence, and of course the benefits of creating more swingarm angle and anti-squat WITHOUT adding too much rear ride height.
Thinking outside the box this winter changed my approach for setup on the Superduke for past few years. Using the new Superclamp from Superduked.com, coming down from such high settings for the rear, using different bar mount positions, fitting Ohlins FKR cartridges into our WP forks, and having my body closer to the pavement due to now being able to run lower rear ride heights - all of these changes are helping redefine, and renew, our good ole Superduke Gen3.
And let’s not forget the new Gen4 1390. All of these new changes also apply to the Gen4 because chassis wise the two bikes are the same.
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Link to Superduked.com where you can buy Sportlinks, Superlinks, Superclamps, Superstops, Ride height tools, and chicken wings: superduked.com/
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Links to Fuzzy for Ohlins cartridge support: / mike.castro.54
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Link to Ed Lloyd of Llyod Mechanical: / edward.lloyd.39
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Brilliant watch and super informative as always! Looking forward to your subsequent videos around this topic.
I am so happy to see this. I've been watching your videos and I just put a deposit on a 1390 R Evo. I'm new to KTM and really excited to learn everything I can.
I just got my 1390 R Evo and new to KTM as well. Enjoy the bike!
@@neil_nash
Ahh man, that's awesome. Congratulations.
Same here just got my 1390R evo 4 days ago, 5th bike but first KTM.
@@sumdude2247
Congrats!
Consistently top notch info.. love the super link, need the triples and the full ohlins treatment next!
I love too how you speaking and bringing out the knowledge I am really a big fan of you. My greeting’s and respect 🥰🙏🏽❤️
I absolutely love your in-depth descriptions. When they call my group I just get on the bike and go as fast as I can when I come back in I put more gas in.
🤣 and you're probably faster than shit. Give it a few decades and you'll see it all differently too
I watch a lot of American drag car videos, they move the 4 link bars upwards to increase the angle so tyres drive axel under the car and raise the rear ride height. They control this with the shock rebound damping.
Seems common to call it extending or more extension.
Bravo Again 🙂
Warched you rip at afm over the weekend, you are flying on that ktm! Bad ass dude.
Thanks brother
Thank you for all this incredible information. Really awesome video.
Though i dont have a Superduke, the information you give out is simply topnotch 👍
Thank you my friend. Means a lot
As always fantastic insight. Thanks for making the effort and taking the time to create and share. Can’t wait for the next one.
Outstanding. I learnt so much about knee-puck interaction.
I did the same thing with the top tripple clamp as you did....!!! made a big difference moving the bar forward
Thanks for sharing , keep up the work . much love
Fantastic info GoGo 😎
Love the channal a d your dishing out great info we normally keep inside team for obvious reasons. But I guess sense its a super duke and only someone insane enough to race one, then helping others prerp theres is of great help. Keep it up.
Thank you for yet another amazing vid on the superduke!
GoGo thank you so much for this series. The effort you put into these is greatly appreciated. I've learned so much about my Super Duke (and motorcycle setup in general) from watching your videos.
Thanks brother. More to come, promise
Great vid , 💯
Thanks for sharing mate 👍
Great vid Eric.
Greate insight Eric, there’s nobody like you thats willing to share this valuable testing and knowledge. Btw is that a rear hand brake I think I noticed on your superduke. If so maybe you can talk about the benefits of using one in one of your upcoming videos.
Will do, promise
Rotating the bar further towards you till the bar-ends start drooping down really helps freeing up wrist mobility, it does look like you can rotate it further back.
I do that on my naked zx10R trackbike and i stole the idea from someone on a 1290SD, looking from behind the bike you could really see the bar-ends pointing downwards.
I'm looking forward for the rest of the series, I really enjoy you sharing your knowledge and experience 👍🏻😎
A-Grade education on what's typically just an entertainment platform! The world needs more thinkers like you. Even better that you have people around you that can help you turn ideas into reality.
I've an MT09SP and am 6'3" and can scrape the hero blobs on the pegs but can't put the knee down due to the height adjustment from adjusting the rear suspension and the MT09 having a crap rider positioning that makes moving around on it difficult.
I'm intrigued to find out what other ideas are brewing in that head of yours.
Certainly I've been posting links to your videos on reddit. There's no better reference material on how the different suspension components work than your videos.
You just made my month. Thank you my friend. This is inspiring. And yes, I have lots of things brewing in me brain that I am anxious to share. And will
Excellent tech lecture! BTW my nickname was “gogo” 25yrs ago now I’m old
Use it with pride! :)
the six part series is it every week or alternate days
Aiming for Sunday mornings. Thanks for the interest
What time so I can set an alarm.
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Can we see your thumb brake setup and how you’ve mounted the reservoirs
Yes I will share the thumb brake journey soon. Placement of the lever is so much more critical than I realized
Question GoGo: Using the ride height tool, my bike is at 315mm now, and I'm using +3 offset. I believe I'm at 101mm trail. I'd like to lower the shock another 2.5 turns to make it 310mm rear ride height. Which offset should I use to get to, say, 101, 100, 99, or 98mm trail? Note: 16/40-114 gears and chain. Thanks. The video is awesome! 🙂
Easy math my friend. 5mm of rear ride height = 1mm of trail.
Same rule for the front. 5mm of fork height = 1mm of trail.
So you lost 1mm of trail when you shortened your shock. Add 1mm with a +4 and your trail is what it was. I don’t have charts in front of me right now so I’m going by your words that you had 101mm
Don't you think alot of this set up work is due to trying to dial it in on Michelins? I know you like them. But there's no high level championship runs them. (Motogp aren't the same tyre, wr can ignore them) But AMA. BSB. Here in UK a few Regional Superbike guys tried then and ditched then immediately. Again it may be down to cooler ambient temps etc. But I can't help but feel alot of the clamps and work is to get that bike working on those tyres.
It would be very interesting to get a set of Pirelli SC slicks. Try and get close to tyre sizes/diameters etc obviously to match the current set up work and geo. And see any difference in lap times and feel.
Also. Andi Burgschagscher or however you spell it. Races the SD without the alterations and McWillians was the lead development test rider! So again maybe the tyres are the cause of the need to change the geo so much? Worth exploring and discussing, no?
Nope. Tried several tires. Geometry is fine, as is the electronic suspension till you go way faster. The difference when set up better is crazy. You don’t know until you’ve ridden it.
I appreciate your thinking and opinion. Sincerely. My buddy Gavin, who also races a Superduke in our series, runs Pirelli. We go back and forth with data all the time. He seems to make it his life's work to NOT follow my advice on just about everything I suggest. I appreciate that too, because its better to think independently - especially when you are competing. And doing it this way expands the testing pool, creates more opportunities to learn and to discover even better ideas. Having said all that, Gavin just bought a Superclamp from me yesterday afternoon (no bs), after deciding to abandon his IMA triple clamps and BMW front end with clip-ons. He has always run the Superlink, and usually runs slightly lower rear heights than me (but this is due to the fact that the Pirelli rear tire that he uses is much taller than the 200/55 Michelin that I use). Ultimately Gavin's rear height has coincidentally ended up almost identical to mine (when you factor in his taller rear tire).
Another interesting point to consider is my competition, who are almost ALL on Pirelli tires. A few on Dunlop too. I entered seven races this past weekend. Won six of them, took second in the other by .2 seconds.
On Jeremy McWilliams, man I love that guy. Hope to meet him one day. I raced Laguna in AHRMA six days after he did with the AMA last summer. I chased Stefano Mesa turning laps under Jeremy's pole qualifying times in the Hooligan class. And my laptimes in AHRMA were well inside top 10 in the AMA Supersport class. So I don't think the Michelins that I race are as bad as you suggest. Or as different quite honestly.
I don't know Andi Burg_ _ _ _ (can't spell either), or the series that he runs. I'm pretty confident he and his bike would benefit greatly from some Superduked parts. But that's just my opinion, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it. :)
@@superduked33 Great reply. And lots of info there we'd not know about. But my only view was. It's quite interesting that all the SD's you've had and raced. From the 07 SDR right through every model. Has needed triple clamps and geo changes. Now linkages. That's a lot of different bikes through many years of development. Like i mentioned, KTM engineers, McWilliams testing them. But KTM changed and developed the bikes but when you get them. You do the same changes to every model and more to chassis geo. But the common theme is you run Michelins.
I'm posting from my 2nd channel here as I've lost acess to my original. I raced a SD here in UK to 3rd in a national championship against ohlins shod GSXR750's etc. Broke lap record etc. Before moving to SS600. So know how they feel and the limitations. And I did buy the Nichols clamp, which yeah raised the front. But also brought other issues with it. As the bike regained trail and allowed use of a larger rear but overall was way to high.
The Holigan times aren't really comparable man. We both know they're not in any way Hooligan bikes. And it's not competing apples with apples when you're on a 180bhp SDR. Can you imagine if the Holigan series was how it should be. Real Hooligan bikes. SD. MT10. That would be cool.
Anyway it was just to note. I found it interesting all the bikes need changed but you ran Michelins on all of them. There's no malice.
You put out great detailed info. And for free. No other team would give that out and show the workings.
It would be good to see some full race onboards. Be able to see how it turns. Also even better. Some track pics. To see how the bike look loaded and in the turn.
@@Spartan11S I'm thinking KTM is designing the Super Duke to be a street fighter for "everyone", intended for the street. KTM take pride in the fact that it is designed as an streetfighter from bottom up in their marketing, and not as an hybrid race bike with "only" wide bars. Design = geometry and looks right? I'm not sure what an ideal streetfighter feeling should be, but I reckon it is not the same as track set up sport bike. This is why (my opinion) the bike needs more aggressive track oriented set up to be faster around a track and less wheelie prone (KTM do a lot of wheelies in their marketing), and the blame is not the Michelins. Both the RR version and the 1390 is delivered with Michelin street rubber, and with michelin slicks on press release/testing 😁
Did you know that there's a difference between 100mm of trail at 25 degr rake vs 100mm of trail at 24 degr rake? 😉
Yes and so many more setup nuances all connected like a never-ending spiders web. Thanks for the response
@@superduked33 Let me rephrase that. 100mm of ground trail at 24degr rake is actually less stable than 100mm of ground trail at 23 degr rake.
I want to tell you how much I appreciate your contributions here @rickarderiksen4262 . I am aware and conscious of how we can reach the same ultimate trail number, but with different rakes. But I have to admit you are making me think harder on this subject. I think it can be misleading, confusing, even time-wasting to get too hung up on "numbers" considering chassis attitude and setup. Especially those introduced online, in forums, and sometimes by folks who don't even ride. But, having said that, I think it can also be critically valuable to understand the nuances behind these numbers. Technical points like this can be hard to discuss, even with pros in top series sometimes, I think because this depth of knowledge is rare. So sometimes I rely on my own real world experiences instead. I will admit that I have not tested the differences between the two in your example. Only read about them. And to be honest, I have read and been told a lot of things about setup that are not true, and are sometimes even 180 degrees from right. So my next time on track I plan to test exactly this. Specifically because of your comment above. That's how much I value new ideas, different opinions, and learning opportunities like the one you created here. If I feel a difference, I will make a video about exactly this. Thank you again @rickarderiksen4262
@@superduked33 I think you understand that the 100mm is just for an example.
You have the Motospec aswell. If you compare the RC8 to the Superduke you´ll see some pretty interesting differences.
This mignt not be a conversation that suits a comment field the best. :)
But it´s a matter of trigonometry. Loads, levers and trying to get all the acting forces down on a paper/excel-sheet and seeing what they do.
My numbers may very well be wrong about this. But without calculating for the extra load added to the front wheel, a trail of 100mm 25degr is about 4% more stable than if it 100mm at 27degr.
Funny thing, if we do the same math for 90mm the difference is only 3%.
So trail is only a reference for other things.
I´ve gone to 22,x degr rake and ~92mm trail on my RC8. And I´m not sure that I´m completely satisfied.
Oh, and ground trail and normal trail are two different things. Stop using ground trail if you are changing rake angles.
You forgot about KTECH 25mm cartridges, no modifications needed and they work great. I have the Gen 2 though.....Did KTM change the fork OD diameter?
Diameters are the same on the Gens 2 & 3 but the lengths are considerably different. Just compared them and the Gen2 fork looks about 1.5 inches longer
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Interesting GOGO.....KTM did raise the swingarm pivot point on the Gen 3 so you should have more swingarm angle from jump compared to the Gen 1 and 2....I heard that KTM raised the swingarm pivot point again with the Gen 4.....You hear anything about this?
Suspension set up would take no account of feet on the ground?.
Hello,j ‘habite en France,j’ai la 1290 sdr evo 2023 ;tu a essayer ce modèle,tu en pense quoi ?ont peut regler l assiette de la moto ,basse std et haute ,en assiette haute ,environ,plus 20mm,la moto est plus véloce ;plus agile ,j ai essayer la 1390 sdr.la moto est plus agile je pense que c est surtout grâce au nouveau pneus Michelin power gp ,sur la 1290 pneus Bridjestone S22 ,et j ai monter un pigno de boîte 16 ,-1 dent c est mieux ,utilisation sur route
..Hola cuanto mide usted y cuanto pesa? gracias / Hello, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? thank you
Are the superclamps 1390 compatible? It isn't explicit on the online shop.
Haven't made them for the Gen4 yet but its coming promise
I heard andreani group owns ohlins.
Really??
@@superduked33 I was researching about the andreani cartridge long time ago and I read somewhere that ohlins and andreani partner up in 2005 and andreani owns it.Who knows, it might be just rumors.
"I'm all about spreading the love"
Proceeds to talk shit about an American company that gave him R&D and suspension support for free. Nice
You know so little about what you are commenting on that you probably shouldn’t be commenting
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Not the sharpest crayon in the box I see.
Watching made me reminisce on the mini racing and testing experiences. I have had both on two wheels and on four. There have been a handful of times where thinking outside the box and experimenting with what at first sight appeared to be crazy concepts, yielded incredibly powerful results.
I could name a bunch of them, but I won’t. Don’t wanna bore you. Keep thinking outside the box and keep pushing the envelope. It is that power to think outside the conventional and do experiment with things that appear to be counterintuitive …… living in limbo Will generate winning combinations. I am lusting after a super Duke, but I’m afraid I will have to wait until I move in order to get one. Take care.
This youtube channel made me bought a 2023 sdr evo. The looks, the performance and the uniqueness of the bike im loving it. I change the gearing plus 3 teeth at the back and change chain to 114 chain link sugested from gogo
Thank you for all this incredible information. Really awesome video.
Thank you