Nikon Z8 - Video OVERHEATING & Battery Testing (VS Z9)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- The Z8 certainly can't compete with the Z9 with its smaller body and battery - but I'm not sure it will impact most potential buyers. FYI I was in a 22c air conditioned room.
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TIMELINE
00:00 Welcome
00:10 Expectations
01:20 Official Performance
02:02 Set up Guide
02:55 ProRes 10bit 4k60p
03:30 RAW 8.3k 60p
04:30 HOT HOT HOT
05:07 10bit H265 8K30p
06:01 10bit H265 4K120p
06:45 ProRes RAW 4.1k 60p
07:10 8bit H265 4K60p
07:40 8bit H265 8K30p
08:20 HOWEVER!! - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
I have to wonder how many people who are looking to buy the Z8 really need to shoot video that's 4K at 30 fp and higher for more than a hour. I am perfectly fine recording long vidoes that are greater than 2 hrs, but at 1080P. Even if the Z8 were able to shoot for long periods of time at either 4K or 8K you're gonna run into storage issues, which is a topic that deserves a full length video of itself.
Professional event videographers would. Weddings, concerts, that sort of thing. It's not a TH-camr problem, for sure.
totally agree ppl buy camera not shoot a photo or video but use as a heater running few batteries until it became overheating lmao😂
@@JohnDrummondPhoto professional’s looks lack of funding not go for arri but 4k usd nikin lol😂
I shoot corporate events that last all day or up to 3 days. I deliver in HD, but record in 4K. It's great for cropping options when recording 3 speakers on a panel.
Right now, I shoot to Ninja Vs, the SSD storage is so much cheaper.
@@jessetimber1388 how funny is $40K-$80K & more for an ARRI? Not to mention lenses, monitor, media, cage, etc. If you have funding for that, kudos.
PLEASE READ. A few points that people seem to have missed in this video...
02:39 This wont impact 90%+ of buyers - only those HEAVIEST into high bitrate video users
03:43 The cards used are both cards approved by Nikon for Z9 and Z8 high bitrate video. I alternated cards between cameras.
08:19 The Z8 performance is pretty incredible given the size and weather sealing
I was indoors in an air-conditioned 22c room to run the tests (this is in the video description)
I didn't say its a bad performance, I didn't hide the room temp or the cards used etc etc. Some people are going out of their way to try to suggest 1. there is no overheating with the Z8, 2. its just a card issue and 3. my tests were flawed.
See the points above - this won't impact most people, it was a chilly testing environment, I am impressed with Z8 performance, the cards were all Nikon approved and were rotated between cameras. The cards over heat in the Z8 and not the Z9... that isn't a card issue.
In the heaviest video formats the Z8 overheats, and it is more likely to overheat than its much bigger brother - It's not the end of the world - and it probably won't affect you.
I am adding this post as its quite annoying to have your carefully chosen words twisted and misrepresented, and have your honesty questioned. As I am pinning this post, I will now copy and past the full test results below - Including PD tests:
CARDS USED
geni.us/cobalt650
bhpho.to/3VZymEZ
(note the ones I used are the approved cards - Delkin and Angelbird are not on the list)
www.nikonproductsupport.com/s/article/Z-8-Supported-Memory-Cards?language=en_US&fbclid=IwAR2KgbCkBujfpbR9mH2HGp15utmUN1mmcMNnNFSB891LluKZzIonNvUM6zE
RESULTS
10bit 1080 120p
27 mins camera hot
2930 hot card
Nikon Z Setup Guide - UPDATED FOR Z8: learn.mattgranger.com/courses/zsetup
10bit 8k 30p oversampling off - POWER DIRECT
15 minute hot card
18 hot camera
40 high hot camera
52 minutes shut down
4K UHD/60p in H.265 8bit (MOV), off for extended oversampling - POWER DIRECT
16 minute hot card
47 hot camera
140 something Hot camera gone!
Prores 10 bit 4k 60p
1030 hot card
1040 hot camera
1945 high
3026 shut down
N-RAW 8.3K 60p
700 hot card
715 hot camera
15 minutes format cards
2 minutes high heat
5 mins Z9 - hot card
1130 Z8 shut down
Shibari 101 course (N5FW): geni.us/Shibari101
10 bit h265 8K 30 - extended oversampling ON
600 hot card
1230 hot camera
4000 high
5900 shut down
Z9 does 125mins, restart and 37 mins - still no hot card
10 bit h265 4K120p - extended oversampling ON
Fast hot card and hot camera
1200 high
3500 shut down
Z9 does 125mins, restart and 37 mins - still no hot card
PRORES RAW 4.1k 60P
1 minute hot card
550 hot camera
Ran out of space
8 bit h265 4K60p - extended oversampling OFF
1 hour 39 - hot camera
1 hour 45 - dead battery
8 bit h265 8K30p - extended oversampling OFF
17 minute hot card
28 hot camera
1 hour 16 dead battery
your work ethic is appreciated! - mass matters for heat dissipation - glad you are feeling better
Very interesting Matt, thanks. I have had my Z9 for 12 months now and do use it to record video as well as stills. The only time I had a "Hot Card" message was back in July when I was at the RIAT 2022 Airshow (in the UK). It was a very hot day with very little cloud. I was shooting one continuous shot of a display team in action. I can't give you specific times or even which codec I was using at the time but the clip would have been somewhere around 4-5 minutes when I saw the message. Bear in mind I had been standing in the sun, camera in hand, for several hours by that time. I turned the camera off and put it under my chair to be out of the sun and used my Z7ii for a few minutes. When I next tried the Z9 the message had gone and I had no further issue but did take care to shelter the camera from the direct sun whenever possible.
Thanks for another informative test Matt 👍🏻 results are about what I would expect from the smaller Z8 (and still impressive). Also provides another reasonable reply to “why would I get a Z9?“. There are differences. I’m in the majority you mention, this type of extended high-res recording isn’t something I do.
For most normal usage that content creators use cameras for, the z8 offers nothing less than stellar performance. I still don't understand folks who cant even afford to stop recording for few minutes and start again.
I expected worse results to be honest, the Z8 did amazingly well ! 4500€ vat included for such a brilliant camera is a steal !
Great content as always Matt.
Very good and thorough testing Matt! Makes sense as well, its physics!
THX Matt - A few ideas: Very interested to see a side-by-side comparison of the Z8's image quality, when creating H.265 10 Bit oversampled at various frame rates, vs H.265 8 Bit in the same frame rates. Also very interested to see how the oversampled video compares to N-RAW in quality when colour grading is applied that is similar to the H.265, to determine whether the image quality is significantly better (clearly N-RAW will be much more versatile for post processing - however this would just be a test of pure image quality) - in other words - answering the question: Is N-RAW / ProRes RAW worth all the overheads in storage sized and post processing power, when you expose correctly and do not specifically need colour grading in your workflow.
Sound quality tests: I am also very interested to see how good the mic pre-amps are in the Z8 vs the Z9 when an external mic is plugged in. The D850 (that I currently have) has a notoriously substandard pre-amp that produces quite a loud hiss, necessitating forever lugging along external recording equipment - some other bodies that I used the same mic for, such as the humble Fuji XT-1 does not have this issue.
Thanks for doing this Matt, I had heard it would over heat sooner, but thats respectable considering its all internal and the body size.
Outdoors I am sure it will overheat sooner.
@@mattgranger you're sure or you hope? It would make for an interesting video though 😉
@@rk-wy8pu I hope it doesn't - as this is the last test I am personally basing my purchase decision on.
thank you matt always so helpful!
Good info on the overheating of the Z 8 and Z 9!
Excellent thanks so much, I've been waiting to find out about this. Going to save a while longer and go for Z9.. Thank you for the insights, really helped
So... who noticed the spinach in my teeth? 🤦 Yeah, proRes is crazy sharp...
Nikon Z Setup Guide - UPDATED FOR Z8: learn.mattgranger.com/courses/zsetup
Shibari 101 course (N5FW): geni.us/Shibari101
I noticed it on your teeth, thought you were using snuff. xD
I was gonna say something, but as you said in the last video, "Im home with sick Covid.... Gimme a break".... So I did 👍🏾
Hi Matt , thanks for the video test ! I’m assuming when you did the tests you only used one card in each canera and left the other card slots empty ? Thanks )
Thanks for the comprehensive review, again. Most people, as you said, take small clips to edit together later. But for people that do tutorials, documentaries, and events this is a pretty low kick back to physics and reality. Nikon should not say they are the same because it can lead to a pretty bad press and turn a machine that should be a resounding success into a failure. Overpromising and underdelivering is a path to disaster in this day and age.
Hi Matt, thanks for the valuable information. What about the burst photo modes ? Will you do another video on the production camera regarding the fps shooting
UPDATED TEST RESULTS - Including PD tests:
10bit 1080 120p
27 mins camera hot
2930 hot card
Nikon Z Setup Guide - UPDATED FOR Z8: learn.mattgranger.com/courses/zsetup
10bit 8k 30p oversampling off - POWER DIRECT
15 minute hot card
18 hot camera
40 high hot camera
52 minutes shut down
4K UHD/60p in H.265 8bit (MOV), off for extended oversampling - POWER DIRECT
16 minute hot card
47 hot camera
140 something Hot camera gone!
Prores 10 bit 4k 60p
1030 hot card
1040 hot camera
1945 high
3026 shut down
N-RAW 8.3K 60p
700 hot card
715 hot camera
15 minutes format cards
2 minutes high heat
5 mins Z9 - hot card
1130 Z8 shut down
Shibari 101 course (N5FW): geni.us/Shibari101
10 bit h265 8K 30 - extended oversampling ON
600 hot card
1230 hot camera
4000 high
5900 shut down
Z9 does 125mins, restart and 37 mins - still no hot card
10 bit h265 4K120p - extended oversampling ON
Fast hot card and hot camera
1200 high
3500 shut down
Z9 does 125mins, restart and 37 mins - still no hot card
PRORES RAW 4.1k 60P
1 minute hot card
550 hot camera
Ran out of space
8 bit h265 4K60p - extended oversampling OFF
1 hour 39 - hot camera
1 hour 45 - dead battery
8 bit h265 8K30p - extended oversampling OFF
17 minute hot card
28 hot camera
1 hour 16 dead battery
CARDS USED
geni.us/cobalt650
bhpho.to/3VZymEZ
Hi Matt! Thanks for your sharing! Just one opinion. It's better you can create a summary 2 column tables of Z8 and Z9 respectively on screen to show on the final conclusion section. So that we can better to understanding the limited of Z8 compared with Z9 in video capability, thanks!
I like summary tables as well. I screenshot the information to reference it later.
Awesome. Good to know. Thanks Matt!
Excellent information!
As a portrait photographer I really enjoyed this video, Great info..
Thank you !!, great video. They say that Z8 is the replacement of the D850..... regarding to this,can you compare the image quality Z8 VS S850 with diferent ISO settings ?
You are committed like few, doing these crusial test that takes a lot of time and indeed quite dry doing. I'll stay with my Z9, thanks for sharing
Thank you for the test. I think the results are still honorable, because in any case, prores, prores raw and raw are not made for filming long sequences, but for small sequences and projects that require more work in post, like short films, videoclips, corporate etc…long sequences such as interviews, shows and others, 10bit is sufficient…8k is a bonus, but 4k is more than enough.
Great test Matt. The Z8 should achieve the long recording time Nikon specified using a PD battery. I didn’t expect that to occur on the internal battery only. It’s great what the Z9 can achieve and impressive that the Z8 in a smaller body can do what it can without a fan. This camera will be a good fit for a lot of creators. I wonder if pulling the screen from the camera would improve the record time. I do that in my A7R V and it doesn’t heat up as quickly as it would with the screen flush against the body.
I have the same question. Pulling out the screen helps me a lot with managing heat on the Z6, for instance.
@@unpluggged Yep, got my Z6 II to run longer doing that in the past and I do it with the A7R V as well. The screen generates heat as well. Checked the Nikon site and noticed they have the screen tilted in the image where they specified the run time and that it was achieved using an external battery.
Negative. I have the Z8 and I love it. But the using PD battery and or the screen pulled away from the body makes no difference at all. The overheating is the same on my camera. It’s just the heat dissipation of the body can’t handle it. Sadly, I’m disappointed, I thought I could get by with just the Z8 but I’m gonna have to buy a Z9 also. It’s a great camera for gimbal work though. You can actually run the Z8 on a tiny Weebill S.
@@willvazquez3218 It all comes down to the ambient temperature you are recording at. In cooler climes it will record as long as Nikon says it will and their test lists the temps it was tested at. The time limit for all recording is 2h 5min..
I think this is a very respectable performance for the Z8. Using my Cobalt 650GB Gen 2 cards in the Z9 and recording 8.3k60 N-Raw indoors ~75F and stationary on a table, I was able to record four ~14:49 minute videos in a row without getting any warnings at all. Card fills up, delete file, do it again, maybe 30 seconds rest between clips. The Z9 does get warm, but not hot. It is surprisingly even warmth on the surfaces of the body, and to me at least indicates a good thermal design. Even with good cards, the Z6II can only do about 8 minutes in its top video mode, 4k60, before the camera needs to shut down.
Great video. I'm curious if the overheating persists using the battery grip for the Z8.
Very informative
Since I currently own two Z9’s, and was planning on trading/selling just one to purchase a Z8 (which I preordered with NPS), I could use the Z9 if/when I need to shoot video.
Great video Matt, As usual , filled with real world useful information!
Thank you a lot. I was thinking about buying a Z8 exactly for recording 8K video, not that I need 8K, but I love doing camera moves in post. I use two Z6 currently (4K) with an external timer that restarts recording after 30:05 min due to the stupid 30 min limitation. To have 8k without interruption would be so nice, but if the heating problem makes 90 min 8k on the Z8 impossible, I will stay with my Z6 cameras. Too bad, but saved a lot of money for me. I actually cannot believe that a camera of that price point has an overheating problem. Would have never guessed that so I am glad that I found your video. Btw. greetings from rigger to rigger.
Also depends on the environment you are shooting in. Lower ambient, longer it records. I guess it was never going to beat the Z9 in video times. But it seems to do well against the competition.
@@MattIrwinPhotography could you tell us the brand and model of the CFexpress you used? I'm quite sure some overheat quicker than others. Thank you.
@@MattIrwinPhotography
Thanks for that info. I do not have trouble with external power if that solves the problem. I do record such takes indoor. I just put the camera somewhere and I need to rely that it just records unmonitored and reliable. That the camera does not overheat when plugged is good to know. Thank you.
Matt, it is not about "hating on Nikon" when you point out discrepancies between what Nikon is saying about the product, and your field tests/controlled tests...it is about sharing truths about the products they make and we use...you are doing them a favor to improving these cameras...like us when we said it made no sense to not have a dust cover/sensor shield on the Z6...or that its autofocus needs to be better, etc...keep being objective and honest...much respect!
Thanks Matt! Huge respect to you for all these tests!
Btw do you have any Sony lenses with the FE to Z adaptor? I am curious about the performance.
I think many sony users will have the same question.
No sorry
luckily i'm not really doing much video but again, thanks for the numbers. i assume the misalignment of the time of recordings where the camera didn't reach the 4k recording times was related to the fully gripped Z8 and fully charged batteries, not just the base body. still awesome tests. great video as always. :)
Thanks for the testing, there is no magic from any brand at these speeds and body sizes. I do suspect you will get many questions about opening the lcd, battery door etc etc...
good test
Thankyou for the info on video Matt but I am more interested in stills and now that you have a production Z8 could you please compare image quality to a Z7 or ZII , it seems from what I can gather at least so far the dual stream technology does not have any penalty on image quality,
Also with this new carbon fiber body material do you think this is a good material ,keep up the great content and have a great day!!
My Z8 will be mostly for wildlife and landscape photography (my hobbies) and the occasional short video in 4K, and rarely in 4K 60 or 120. I am disappointed that the camera is not perfect, although I did not expect it to be. The difference between the expectations, the hype and reality will be annoying for some, but will have no effect on me and my great fun with that camera, once I get it.
Great test! Thanks for doing it. An important question is what would the time difference be if you dissipated heat by fully opening the back screen away from the body? I'm sure the Z9 would still beat the Z8 handily even if the z9 had its rear screen closed.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Makes sense not having a battery in camera that's going to get very hot. So then, using external power plus leaving the back screen open sounds like a formula to eliminate the issues Matt raised.
One thing I would be interested in seeing in addition to the external power video recording options is external storage as you can record out to USB type C, I would assume. Does that propose any bandwidth limitations, and does that help resolve the hot card issues?
As of now, Nikon has not specified that you can use an external SSD to record in the Z8, like you can on the LUMIX S5IIX. When I found out that it had 2 USB C ports, that’s the first thing I thought it would be used for. It would be a nice option to have and who knows, maybe they will activate that in the future.
Thanks for the tests and results are the results.
I still wonder if one used the very latest generation type 2 CFE-B cards - like the 650Gb Delkin Black or some of the others (even the pro models of your NEXTORAGE cards) whether or not the hot card "issue" would be deferred on each camera. Obviously in 4TB one has to use Angelbird and there are more choices at 2TB including the Sabrent Rocket CF-XXIT-2Tb I have. I will wait until my Z8 arrives to perform my own tests.
I would make you point a little stronger very much doubt that other than for documentaries any folk would run a video recording continuously for a very very long duration -- even as B-roll -- you are going to want to set up and record multiple times and these are often fairly short segments. One matches our recordings to what we need and what our gear can accommodate. Speak to those who shoot with RED, ARRI and Blackmagic about having to wait for their cameras to cooldown. This is all part of planning the gig - as is having multiple units to swap out and use while others cool down. The trick with th eZ8 is it is relatively compact and relatively cheap -- so 2 Z8 and a relatively small gimbal/rig or one Z9 and a large pro-level gimbal/rig. Pros are simply going to make choices that work for their circumstances.
Of course in ultra high heat like Qatar or Abu Dhabi I expect to have to actively cool gear and card not just let them cool down. For those of you in the tropics yes heat and humidity is a huge issue as well.
I didn’t realise professional cine cameras in large bodies overheat as well. I have the Z9 which is great. But I really want a Z8 for the gimbal and slider that doesn’t overheat.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Thanks guys -- you early users get to play first -- 😃😁
@MattGranger- I assume when your results say 1030 - that is 0 hours 10 mins and 30 seconds -- or 00:10:30.00 in normal duration terminology
I am counting the day until my Z8 arrives and I can run my own tests -- well set it up and shoot with it. Then test it. It looks like @Mattgranger was first out with a Z8 set-up guide and @ThomHogan is hoping to publish his Z8 "bible" on or before the 25th May or "before Z8 start shipping". Steve Perry is working on updating his Z9 guide for the Z8 as well -- so it looks like in the absence of anything in form of downloadable documentation from Nikon - there will be something to read when Z8's get into muggles' hands.
@@andrewmason8691 -- YES very much so -- RED (lots of HOT RED stories), ARRI, Blackmagic and others all have various forms of cooling solutions and when on shoots in the heat (like on Dune) they have to have multiple set ups to prevent holding up "filming" while the gear cools down. Canon and Panasonic Lumix have built in and and Fuji bolt one cooling fans for their CINE oriented bodies.
Pro CINE cameras often have large heat syncs - rather like a CPU cooling in a computer -- and most have some form of active solution either built in or as an add on - but active solutions add fan noise which also has to be managed.
BTW - you should not just put a hot camera into a fridge/freezer -- it needs to cool "naturally" so that water vapour does not condense into water inside the camera or lenses -- which of course can then cause "issues". Similarly one has to take care when a camera is taken from a heated space into the very cold -- ask anyone who goes out to shoot in the midwest/northerly parts of the americas - lenses can mist up from the inside.
Your reviews are highly trusted, and always unbiased. Thanks.
Greatly appreciate the detailed testing review. Very helpful... Do you prefer the DELKIN Power or Black CFExpress cards for the Z9?
See my test results. Black are good, but not the best performers
@@mattgranger I would greatly appreciate your recommendation for the best CFExpress card for the Z9.
See my test results - it is linked in description already: learn.mattgranger.com/courses/CFXB
Great to know thank you
Thanks Matt! What about 4K 24/30fps in 10-bit 4:2:2? That’s what I would be using for long form interviews.
Didn’t test it
Great video, what cf express card did u use cuz some cards run much colder lexar and sandisk run hot
See pinned comment. It’s also mentioned in video
Thanks Nikon for z8 😊😊
could it help (a bit) against the fast overheating, if the display is folded back 1-2cm away from the body, so that a chimney effect is created?
Moving the screen away from the camera body could contribute to cooling. It would be interesting to check it out.
Hello Matt, Interesting but not surprising as it is such a small body. As you say though they are still quite log clips. I have not in year done any video work, and never in thoughts time did we shoot scene of over 15 mins. Yes I could and do see all day events where this is needed. It is as you say for 90% of people the Z8 it will work very well the other just get a Z9, an great camera.
Excellent review, but in the real world I would be looking for a specific video camera for video, and a stills camera would be used for stills, and the odd short video.
I am blown away by the brilliant z8, the smaller form factor will suit many, and as a wildlife photographer this would be a go to for me, the z9 being bigger and bulkier would be fantastic, but heavy, and cumbersome.
As it is I can't afford either of these camera's, so I will be sticking with my old 7200.😢
I have a wish list, which contains literally any mirrorless camera nikon make, I always had a desire to own a d850, but again outside my reach.
Today’s mirrorless camera do a really good job recording video. I suspect when the Z6 III comes out, it will be a great performer as well.
Another great video Matt! would the overheating occur if recording to an external monitor/recorder like an Atmos?
No. You get much longer recording times with an external recorder.
Depends where the heat is coming from. If Its from the Sensor, processor (used more with external display) or battery - its one matter. If its from card, that's another. And are you writing to card and recorder, or just recorder?
@@mattgranger thanks for the reply! my Z6ii can only write to the recorder or camera not both! not sure about the Z8 but my question was aimed at if I could write to the recorder from the Z8 would it avoid the overheating! I messaged Atmos got the standard company answer the Z8 isn't supported however if it has a clean hdmi out etc. I'll have to wait until I have my Z8 in hand!
It will be interesting to see which memory card manufacturer will be the first to jump on the "We run the coolest to give you longer recording times." marketing push. Also, I get the feeling PD USB power might make a difference versus the internal battery in thermal load on the camera.
they will have to be refrigerated!
It is impressive that the Z9 can do all of those codecs and frame rates internally. If you’re looking at the Z8, for video, I’d suspect that it’s more about form factor… If Nikon is actually serious about video, I suspect that a FW update to enable USB recorded (at least in some codecs/frame rates) will be coming… Until then, Ninja V+ and PD usb… Problem solved!
I was thinking the same. Two ports seems to me an option for long recording with power and storage via usb.
Hopefully they didn’t miss that opportunity.
Thanks Matt for your profound infos. Can you tell, if there is any overheating on the Z8 with NLOG, 10bit, 4k, 50p? And how is NLOG, 10bit, 8k, 25p in terms of overheating?
Sorry I can’t text every format.
Do you have a grip you can add to the z8 to see if and or how much that improves video recording times?
No I don’t. Have you seen the grip? It’s enormous
@@mattgranger I know it makes it bigger then the z9, but was curious if the batteries being that far away from the main components helped with that camera heat warning times at all.
Thanks for sharing this with honesty. Keep up the great work Matt
You mean you like that it didn’t seem like it is as good as the Z9? 😅
I wonder if manufacturers need to resort to active cooling, like some have done, to get longer recording times in hot weather. Interesting to see if Nikon will go that way.
They need to use higher end silicon chips that are more efficient and run cooler. We might have to wait a few more years.
Have you tested whether unfolding the monitor improves the heat transfer so that the recording time increases? Does an external power bank is better?
I was wondering the same thing.
Hey Matt, thanks a lot for the info! Would you be able to repeat the test using an external ssd? So that we understand if is the card getting too hot, or the camera?
The Z8 does not record to an external SSD. Maybe in the future Nikon can activate this.
He could’ve recorded externally to his Ninja, but that would’ve defeated the purpose of his video… Really hope Nikon enables USB recording!
@@waynerm002 thanks for the reply! I thought it could... I probably was fooled by the many pre-release rumors!
@@Hitman87ITA I speculated on that in one of my videos after we saw the leaked photos of the ports, which was a day after Panasonic’s LUMIX S5IIX was announced with that. It would be nice if they could do that.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Hi Matt, this is good to hear, great runtime in some cooler temps. Now we have tests in warm and cool climes. Wish I had one before my trip to Mongolia later this week. At least I'll get to try out the Sony A7R V there, should be around -2 to 8 by weekend. Hope I get a chance to record and post some info on it.
Thanks for making this video. I have a question that seems to be discussed in the comments, however I just want to be sure so asking anyway.
I don't see a situation where I would be filming for one hour of straight footage, but filming an hour event like a soccer game, how do you pace yourself so you don't overheat the camera during that hour? My whole purpose for upgrading to this camera is to shoot 120 fps, 4K at the highest bit depth possible to capture these events photo and video, which is why I didn't go for a cinema camera. I appreciate your input on this.
Hi mate. To answer your question - with the Z9, there is no pacing - it will just film the hour and there will be no issue. But the Z8 is unlikely to keep up, unless its very cold conditions. I got a hot card warning last week just taking stills.
Oh boy, thanks for the heads up. Z8 is on arrival, so might send it back and get z9 (it's the size not the price that concerns me). I heard certain cards perform much cooler than others, I might test with other cards just in case. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
I'd be super interested to know if the overheating changes when using an external power source vs the battery - especially using the same card as is tested in the Z9.
See pinned comment.
Would be interesting to know what the results would be on external power. Either usb-c or the battery grip.
Running additional tests now. Pinned comment with updated results coming soon
First Comment 🙌 Are there any over heating issue when shooting a lot of high burst stills?
Do you think these warnings would come on with intermittent video recording of 7-15 minutes with 5-10 breaks in between? For instance on a Helicopter ride. Stills... Video...Stills..... Video
Not that I’ve seen
Most of my video needs are shorter takes and usually only in 4K25/50 but I do some longer form video as well and it makes me a little nervous using the Z8. I use a Pocket 4K currently for my "sit on a tripod, hit record and forget it" work and it has always been rock solid. I have had a few hot card warnings in a 20C air conditioned room but found they actually went away when I pulled the screen out. That seems to be where most of the heat builds up, particularly on the right hand side where the card is
Has anyone experimented with using a small fan to cool the Z8? I know a lot of people would scoff at using an external fan but I see it as adding modular active cooling for when I need it. My Pocket 4K has active cooling and it never has overheating issues, ever, so the idea of a very small fan to move some heat off on long takes appeals to me
I have to wonder how cards like the Angelbird AV Pro, which runs cooler, would affect the overall heat issue. The card seems to get hot first, which will also influence internal temperatures. I've never had a hot card warning with my Angelbirds in my Z9 with RAW video. I live in a tropical climate, so now I'm thinking if to cancel my pre-order... I really did want that smaller body.
Only card I’ve ever had completely die on me was angelbird
@@mattgranger Oh wow! I hope that never happens.
In other reviews the Delkin Black cards are recommended as the coolest running cards along with either using the battery grip or an external battery to keep the camera cooler.
@@MrJleash The Angelbirds have been performing relatively well compared to other cards. It's even better now after the firmware update.
@@SooksVI Great to know. Thanks!
Anyone really interested in this topic should check the tests done by Ricci using a Delkin Black card in 8K60 Raw with camera temp cut setting set to high. He was able to record for more than one hour...
Retest with the Delkin Black? Those run at 10C less than the Cobalts. Does having the card door open extend the time before "hot card" shows up? Replace the door with a copper equivalent that makes contact with the card via thermal conductive pad? Does articulating the rear screen extend the time before warning? If it articulates like my D750, I could absolutely throw a 1/8" copper fin bar in there for vertical convection cooling with the screen pressed up against the short fins... that's 50% cooling coverage of the rear of the camera, basically.
I’m not removing the card door or replacing parts. You feel free.
@@mattgrangeroh the test I was asking most about was having the card door open not removed. And a Delkin Black which runs about 40C less than most CFExpress b. That extra confined heat will surely be soaked up by the mainboard.
@@mattgranger awesome video btw. Thanks!
Matt, I have few questions: Could you clarify please?
1. Recommended external battery source to avoid heat or dead of internal battery soon and to record for extended time
2. Can I record 8K and 4K N-Raw (12-bit) and 10- bit to Ninja V also over HDMI?
3. Can Z8 record directly to an external SSD (2TB or 4TB) for extended time just to avoid any heating on the Cfex B card?
4. I can record the CFex B card (1TB or 2 TB) when I use a gimbal or for a short period of time
1. Nikon dont have a suggested power bank. you can use the supplied charger or any PD pack
2. read this onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z9/en/09_connecting_to_hdmi_tvs_and_recorders_03.html
3. no.
4. what does a gimbal have to do with it?
@@mattgranger Thank you for the response Matt. If I want to use a gimbal for a short time, I can record the CFex B card directly.
I am looking for the best hybrid camera. Based on your testing, Z8 may not be good if I want to shoot RAW videos.
yes of course you can.
An hour of 8K! I have a couple of 512Gb CFx-B cards. And 8K 60 N-RAW gives me about 18 minutes of recording time. 4K 120, about the same. I think the cost of storage will be more prohibitive for shooting in those formats for most people than the time it takes for things to over heat. For most people not named Matt Granger :-) the thought of the Z8 overheating will be a non-issue.
4k120 should give you WAY more recording time that N-RAW
Matt, Z8, when the card cover is open, install a cooling metal sheet on the CFB card, will it improve the overheating of the card?
Go for it. I’m not DIYing a $4000 camera.
@@mattgranger There is no need to make any changes to the camera, only a thin heat sink needs to be pasted on the metal surface of the memory card. Just keep the card slot cover open while recording video.
Go for it. I’m not
Matt, I think what people are missing here with regards to this "overheating issue" is this camera is being "COMPARED TO THE Z9" (even though it is in the title) for recording times and of course at that level it will not be the same. The smaller body negates that level of performance. When compared to other $4K, it's recording times exceeds them. I'll add a bit of context for those wondering how the competing cameras at the Z8 price point performs.
The Canon R5 manual (after firmware 1.6) list 45 minutes of 8K30p (didn't specify 10 or 8bit) at 23C/73F with high temp setting. The Sony A7R V manual list 8K24/25p for 30 minutes with high heat setting turned on at 25C/77F. Sony went a step further to list recording time at 40C/104F, which is 20 minutes. In your Z8 vs Z9 test, the Z8 ran for 1h 16min at 8K30p 8bit, on internal battery before it died. That beats the Canon R5 and Sony A7R V, the cameras at which price point in competes. Now, let's look at Nikon's test method, 8k30p 8bit, auto high temp set to high, temp at 25C/77F, with an external battery connected, it runs for 1h 30min. 14 minutes more than the internal battery. As you stated, "the performance is pretty incredible for a body this size and being weather sealed." No one should expect this camera to perform similarly to the Z9, in a smaller body without active cooling, for video recording.
We can however, assign it the title of "2nd best performing, hybrid camera without active cooling," currently available as of May 2023.
Yes it’s in the title, in the frame, in the test results, and if anyone actually listens to the intro, it’s pretty clear, fair and transparent.
@@mattgranger Don’t worry about it Matt. I watched the video several times to see if I missed something based on the comments. I think what rubs some people and is a point for the Nikon haters is that the Z8 overheats. Missing the point that all cameras without active cooling (fan) will over heat if used for long periods. The Z9 has a higher threshold but it too will overheat, if the time limit Nikon put in was removed.
Matt Granger- The honest Nikon Guy! Very good info, thank you. I'd probably shoot short wildlife clips for video. jpeg-4k-120 if it does that. If I continue with Nikon, guess it would have to be the Z9. Does the Sony A1 over heat doing 120 4k jpeg, Anyone?
With all that said, doubt there would be any complaints considering I would be upgrading from the D810 but, would prefer a REAL STICKY AF FOR BIRD PHOTOGRAPHY.
~25min with A1 before overheating 4k/120
@@livejames9374 Thank you. Helps put things into perspective for me.
@@MattIrwinPhotography From what I understand, you don't have to stop to swap battery A out. But does it switch back to battery A automatically once rep;laced. Just curious. For me it probably wouldn't matter to much. Short wildlife clips but imagine at some point I would want to do a time lapse.
I think the Z9 is the better option if one can afford it & it should be for the price. The Z8 is an incredible value for the price point in todays market. The AF would need to be stichy for fast moving birds for me or a camera that takes lees photos (less In focus photos are worth more to me than more night quite in focus photos) with an accurate AF would be worth more to me.
Do a test with external USB power or battery grip.
If it is just a hot card warning. What if you switch card to a cool blank card to continue?
if you watched the video - it isn't just a hot card warning. And anyway, you can't pause an interview, or wedding ceremony, every time a card gets warm.
I think the higher video rates of the Z8 justfy the heavier body when compared to an R5 where the video is cropped and at lower framerate. The Z8 may be using the extra mass for heat sink.
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222 good points! I think I heard Manny Ortiz say the R5 was cropped at 4k 60 and it doesn't have 4k 120.
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222 i think I mixed it up, now I recall he was talking about the Sony a7 r v . How is the Canon dynamic range in the highlights compared to Sony/ Nikon. Dxomark gives the R5 a 95 score.
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222 ok, I was a bit worried about Canon R5 blown up highlights recovery, why is really good on my Z6ii and don't want to lose that. Last time I used Canon, overblown areas were frequently not recoverable on post.
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222 interesting thoughts !
last Saturday my z8 got a warning for card overheating (sony XQD) at the middle of a wedding. By the time that was using the z9 at the same time and, same conditions... But it was a specific hot as hell day, in a closed dor 3 pm place, here in Minas Gerais BRAZIL. By the way... we are PHOTOGRAPHERS, we were just taking photos, not a single video was recorded
I wonder if the Z8 would do better if the screen was popped out away from the body. Would be interesting test!
I assume it would improve the performance by about 5-10% maximum, considering that the screen itself generates heat and that it also acts as another thermal insulator layer, therefore decreasing cooling performance when in main position.
If Nikon could come up with external cooling unit(heatsink & fan combo) powered via USB-C on the camera, I think that Z8 performance should drastically increase. I know @DIYPerks would probably come up with something like that.
It may make more sense to just get the Z9 if you need the extra recording capabilities. You wouldn’t need an external fan and the larger internal battery would provide long runtime and be augmented by an external battery pack.
@@waynerm002 I know, and I would honestly get the Z9 instead, if I was not a gimbal user. Right now, Z9 is a brick for any gimbal, providing barely enough clearance to stabilize and operate the gimbal. Attaching anything on the hot shoe of the Z9 or a cage on the Z9 and then attaching the Z9 to the gimbal, would render the gimbal inoperable.
This is why many prefer smaller bodies rather than bigger bodies.
Also, it's easier to handheld a Z8, rather than Z9.
Nikon has nearly killed it this time, but honestly, we need a cinema camera next, or an upgrade to Z6II and Z7II.
Honestly, Nikon's autofocus was the biggest turn off for many people, and not video features or maximum resolution, codecs, and etc.
This is why I opted to use an Olympus camera for video due to highly reliable AF, rather than one of the lower tier Z bodies, and also because Z6II and Z7II were very expensive at the time of purchase of Olympus(OM-D E-M1 II).
@@marionapalm4365 Got you on the Z9 for gimbal use. Z8 is better in that use case. Autofocus and stabilization is why I sold the Z6II and got into Sony. Some of the launch footage and YT videos shows the Z8 having batter performance in both areas. I’’m hoping Nikon adds VR to some of their smaller FF lens, like they have been doing for their DX line. If Sony is using electronic stabilization to do Active and Dynamic stabilization, let’s hope Nikon can do the same and add that in a firmware update.
@@waynerm002 VR for budget FF lenses of focal range higher than 28mm should prove very useful, especially for filming handheld and to smooth out the up and down motion when walking with a gimbal(biggest problem in every gimbal - not if you use Ronin 4D tho, but that's a whole other package).
I've tried using the D850(with grip) which also somewhat simulates a Z9, and let me tell you, it's a brick on the gimbal. Can't balance it, there's no clearance, and entire setup is heavy, and I used RS3 Pro for that.
I'll take Nikon seriously only when they get their AF to a 95% accuracy in good light at least and when they release a cinema body, whichever comes first.
Would be very interested in comparison of autofocus with z7ii.
why though? we all know the Autofocus on the Z8 is the same as the Z9 , since the z9 AF was already tested vs the z7ii , why would we need that test again?
Couldn't actually find a comparison between z7ii and z9. Would be a nice pont of reference.
I’ve done in when z9 released
@matt are this tests on High/Normal heat tolerance settings??
High.
@@mattgranger thanks for replying, one question can it record 4K60fps10 bit same as 4k60fps 8 bit 1Hour+ ? and which Memory Card (Brand / Type) you were using ?
Cards and all tests I’ve done are in the pinned comment.
@@mattgranger thanks, good video with detailed explanation 👍🏼
Another excellent tests by Matt.
No surprise here.
Both Z9 and Z8 are excellent cameras, and serve their purposes well with size, weight, and price to match.
@Matt Granger, does z8 overheat if we record 8K and 4K 12-bit RAW externally like on Ninja V+ without a Memory card?
Haven’t tested that combo
Is there a difference in audio? As you can see in the video, the audio level looks so much higher in the Display of the Z8.
😂 people notice every little thing 👍🏼 the audio was set differently on each… the files weren’t to be used for anything
Wonder how those numbers would be affected by an external battery.
Carbon Fiber is usually a good insulator. So less likely to conduct heat away from the chips.
Yep! Great confirmation of my decision on cancelling my preorder of a Z8 to join my Z9! One of my dealers is offering me a secondhand Z9 to pair up! I might just take him up on his offer!😎👍🏾🙏🏾
How did the z8 do shooting prores raw at 4k/30 internal? Any overheating issues? Thanks
All my test results are in the pinned comment
So actually it isn't a problem with the camera but a product of the size. I am just a hobbiest and I don't like the weight of the z9 or the price of either but I think I will be second hand in a year or two. I would like to be off in the wilderness when I do and so would probably go for the z9 because of weather sealing, sturdier build and bigger battery. Can I ask about the lack of mechanical shutter? I am sure it has been addressed but if anyone can jump in. What does it mean in terms of shutter count and longevity of the camera?
I think both.
How about a Head to Head overheating test VS EOS R5
R5 is slightly better at 4k 60p th-cam.com/video/dcm3yJUi79A/w-d-xo.html
Pretty awesome for most use cases including all formats. The only guys who are shooting longer videos at such frame rates honestly don't know what they are doing and its actually more about camera testing rather than actual use cases. The Z8 is basically a smaller, cheaper Z9 and don't believe anyone who tells you it isnt.
Haha. You’re entitled to your opinion, and entitled to be wrong. But don’t present it as a fact. People do long form 8k recording for work. I’m one of them.
@@mattgranger thanks, I'll keep my opinion and you can keep yours. I'm still to see a single engaging 1 hour plus video shot in one take. I'll wait until that happens to accept that as a real use case
My latest course released was filmed in 2 8k cameras and 3 4k cameras. In total each camera captured probably 25 hours of footage. So in total 50 hours of 8k and 75 hours of 4k. Minimum. Edited down into 13 hours of final 4k content.
Im pretty sure I am not the heaviest user out there either.
@@mattgranger lovely. riveting stuff.
Were u shooting Steph? Heck I'd suffer from overheating too 😂😊
Steph was shot with z9 and no overheating 👍🏼👍🏼
I still remember film 35 shots, and Super 8 3.5 minutes no sound. Yes, i lived with that.
and this is why the Z9 is the Z9 and those that say " why I paid 5500 for the same camera" there you go. Yet another reason why you pay the higher price. That said, no one is going to push these cameras this hard anyway but good to know. Now I would like to see how these cameras would perform on a hot summer day in Palm Springs with the hot sun out and about capturing clips with the camera on and recording 1 to 2 minutes clips.
Shot first soccer game, wanted to briefly share results. Card is SanDisk Extreme Pro 512 GB 1700/1400 Type B. Sunny day, 80 degrees F. Prores 10bit Nlog 30 fps, hot card after 10 minutes shooting off and on for about 1 hour. Never hot camera, but always hot card. Tested at home after. Cool room, same camera settings. Hot card after 15 minuets. No hot camera ever. After cooling card, with batter door open, hot card after 25 minutes. Laser temp of card 125 degree F. . I tried Green Extreme card reader, card heated up quickly to 125F. I guess you can't blame the camera, but will running hot card in camera damage camera?
What do you mean can’t blame the camera? The same card in the z9 won’t get overly hot. 🥵
Interesting. I meant because it actually got hot just sitting in the card reader without transferring files, that seems odd to me, like it's the cards nature to get hot. Well, you inspired me to get the z9 and send back the 8, hot card and hot camera are deal breakers, Nikon should be more upfront about this.. unless I missed it in their documentation, etc. Appreciate the discussion.
I guess you can get slightly longer recording times on the Z8 if you run it with the AC adapter thingies (which I believe go for another $500 USD) instead of battery in the cases where the battery ran off and that's what Nikon was reporting.
No need for that. You can use a USB C battery pack that is PD capable, which is common nowadays.
@@SooksVI Or use a V-mount battery. Nikon list Smallrig and FX-LION as accessory providers and both have V-mount batteries that can be used to power the camera as well.
@@waynerm002 yes, I purchased the smallrig 99wh v-mount battery for mine after realizing my IDX batteries didn't work. It's now my favorite battery. Small and versatile.
@@SooksVI I’ve been waiting to get one or maybe the FX LION one, that one had additional USB ports.
@@waynerm002 I just came across a neat accessory from Tether Tools on BH Photo that can convert D-Tap to PD. I ordered a couple for my other batteries that lack PD.
Looks like Matt is the only youtuber that's had more than just a day or two preview with the z8
Because he’s that Nikon guy!
Nope. I think the usa based outlets had longer than I did. Not sure how many got a second time with a final production Model though.
What brand card was used for testing?
Mentioned in video and also linked in bio
@@mattgranger Thanks. Didn't catch that first time around
Evening though I appreciate the smaller form factor, the easier overheating makes me prefer the z9.
Me too. Along with the speed and gps
I would argue all smaller cams overheat unless they have a fan doing 8k i never tested this but tried now. My A1 doing 8k30p (no 60p) lasted 1h14m doing 10bit 4:2:2 at 240MB (didn't want todo 520) the body is much smaller than the z8 but fully metal room was 22c. Doesn't proof much accept that they all have a limit and you should know what use when. I think the z8 will be fine and if you really don't want to get a z9 but want a z8 with long recording change format and/or add some cooling.. don't complain but work around the issue :)
Gerald Undone tested that using a dummy battery can extend the recording time of 8k 24p to more than 3 hours without overheating on the A1. That makes the A1 powerful for long hours of recording. I wonder if the same trick can be used to make Z8 more usable.
@@chanjeff4406 I am working on a cooling product for the zv-e1 and didn't have time to really test the A1 but i am sure if needed this time can be extended like you say i might do some real testing on the A1 too just never did. Thanks for the extra info.
@@MattIrwinPhotography Thanks for your input - that's reassuring to hear.
Apart from the most demanding modes such as 8k 60p or 8k 30p N-raw, could you also test 4k video, specifically 4k 24, 30 and 60p in Prores raw, N-raw, oversampled H265 10 bit, to see how long will it take for the camera to shut down? Also, can you make some of the 4k and 8k tests using a dummy battery (as it appears to reduce the heat generation), please?
I know I may be asking too much here but I really appreciate that you would put through the Z8 into difficult tests, so that we can see the real potential of it. Thank again.
What puzzles me is the Hot Card warning. How can it happen with the Z8 and not the Z9? You were switching cards so it wasn't a bad card.
My theory is the z9 mag alloy body can dissipate the heat from the card so it doesn’t reach over heating level. The z8 body cannot
Thanks for the test. Guess I'm personally glad that I don't shoot video, and the little video I do, is usually 4k30 clips that are under 10 minutes.... if even that. But mostly do stills so this shouldn't be a concern for me thankfully. As long as it won't overheat doing some heavy burst shooting for a day, which I don't think it will because you're not shooting all the time usually, and the camera should have time to cool down between large bursts or series of bursts.
I'm wondering if the 2 hours was left generic on purpose (as I thought it was 90 minutes for 8k, and 2 hours overall -- meaning 4k probably? It may be with the grip you can get long record times, and that makes sense since you have 2 batteries. I also wonder if the grip also provides some sort of slight cooling. Can you re-test when you get a grip for the Z8? I am wondering if Nikon maybe put little air passages in the grip to allow some heat to transfer to the grip.
But again, this goes back to the differences between the two.... the flagship and it's little sibling and differentiation between the two, not that Nikon purposely made the Z8 worse necessarily but given the smaller size, its sort of a given that it will have heat issues, like the R5 which is probably roughly the same size and design in terms of body materials.
The 125 minutes time for the 4K60 8bit recording and 90 minutes 8k30 8bit was achieved with a PD (external) battery pack. Matt’s test ran the internal battery until it died, it seems plausible that the time can be achieved. However, keep in mind the recording temps the provided. If you are in a hot place, the time will decrease. Seeing it listed as being able to do 8.3K RAW is nice but, I doubted it would do it as long as the Z9 in a smaller body. Personally, I was hoping they would have made 2 cameras, one with a fan (not as large as the Canon R5 C, though) for better video capabilities but, then that might push people from getting the Z9.
@@waynerm002 Yes, true. Temps will also dictate how long you can shoot for, which people on DPR seem to be ignoring trying to disprove this video. And say that "Nikon states..." Yes they do, but thats in an ideal situation or average situation at 77 degrees F for example. They aren't taking into account 90 degree weather for example or cold temperatures where battery life will be decreased. Plus I think many missed the battery pack/PD (it does say external device) but people seem to not like to acknowledge the footnotes (or they simply don't read them). When I saw the 8k listed i n the specs, I sort of figured too that there had to be a catch (especially when they listed 125 minutes, thinking of the R5 immediately).
Pull the screen out a few mm's so there's airflow...