Set Work Offsets in Seconds - Haas Automation Tip of the Day
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- Anyone who has run a machine knows how long it takes to set work offsets. What if you could do it in a fraction of the time? It turns out you can, and it's easier than you think! Watch as Mark walks you through the process of setting your work offsets using a probe and learn a few other probing tips along the way.
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I have the exact machine to the left.... 1991 VF-1 #1215. Sadly, none of this new fancy stuff works on my old girl and manual setup is a must. At least it keeps me sharp and able to teach my sons the "old" way. Same as my BP-2J and 2 manual lathes, none of which have DRO (yet).
I hated having to learn math the manual way and was upset that I couldn't just use a calculator, but as an adult I now understand. You really need to have the knowledge of what you are doing before letting the machine do it for you. It's what separates a true Machinist from an Operator.
I never get tired of your videos.
Straight to the point . Really helps with new controls
Awesome stuff. Well worth the price to save so much time.
thankyou sir,you help a lot,please continue what u doing,we fully appreciated
Great video I always watch it to get around on our brand new
DM2 VMC probe cycles thanks.
But why there is a big difference in height between the VF2 and the DM2 control, it makes it very uncomfortable to work on the control?
Mark Thank you for the instructional video.
Haas you need to incorporate a probe stylus length into your calibrations. This way, if the control knows the stylus is only 4 inches long and the user tells it to probe 6" deep it should pause with an M109 code, warning the probe depth is larger then stylus length.
I did this for our UMC after someone fat-fingered a number and destroyed the spindle probe (not just the stylus!) Any z values greater than 2 inches will prompt the user to press Y to continue.
Excellent video work. Well done.
Very informative, thank you for this.
Excellent. Please do a video on how to calibrate the Probe and tool setter. That would be a great tip of the day episode.
Michael - Great topic. Thanks. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
I'm in a machining class and when learning to probe our workpiece, we probed the back left corner. it checked the x and y in one position on each side, then we went to another probing routine where we probed a different corner and when we did it probed two points on each side. I have been looking for documentation to say why it did that and why it differs from probing the left rear corner. thanks for your help
This is total fantasy stuff!, watch and enjoy, and then go back to the reality of making batches of parts on an old clunker of a mill with not even a DRO on it. Close my eyes and the worn out 40 year old Bridgeport turns into a gleaming new state of the art Hass with amazing control software, I wish!
Sounds like you work in a shit shop, get into a better space
Found something interesting about variable 188.
If I probe a Z surface on say G54, then I probe a Z surface for G55. 188 shows the difference between them.
No matter how many times I probe G55 or anything besides G54, it always shows the current difference between G54 and the next Z surface I probe.
Very handy.
ya, kinda like having a CMM
What other games can be installed on the control besides pac man? Also do you have a boss button that I can press that will quickly exit the game when my boss walks by so I don't get caught playing games?
Erik - ROFL… like a Windows ALT-TAB function to quickly change back to the main screen. This is my new favorite comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
Pong and Breakout would be perfect for the jog wheel.
@@Crlarl Pacman aswell + Job is right - Jog is left 🤯
How about my favorite game, GET BACK TO WORK
Pe mine acest domn mă convinge!
Este un profesionist!
Awesome valuable information Thanks man
Same machine in my workshop...i like haas machine..very easy to settup...
Excellent, thank mate
Hi Mark. I have been using all my data on mobile to watch your amazing videos. Usually i own an Indian make machining center. Now i have decided to expand my business and own a Haas. I just came across on your Indian website about huge discount on a Haas VF2 and VF4 models. But they have mentioned its a VF2I and VF4I. So whats the difference between a VF2 and a VF2I? I have become a mad fan of Haas Automation and your dedication to provide us with great machines with Value for money pricing. Keep going guys. Lots of love from India. And Mark, hats off to you. Your tips are really amazing.
gautum nayak - Thanks for the encouragement. Definitely give your local Haas Dealer a call, they can explain all the special option packages on machines that are being specifically sold in India. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Thank you!
Hi Mark and Haas, Great video!
Just one question! I use the Bore probing cycle a lot. All my parts have a 0.625 bore drilled from Op1 and I want to continue to use this as the WCS for Op2. However, after putting my part in to a Op2 fixture, I'm getting a slight mis-match in the angle of the part(around 0.001 or less).
Is there a way to combine the G68 angle (as you've shown in your previous video) and keep a Bore hole as my G54 offset? I'm hoping this would remove the 'off angle' error I am seeing in my part.
Ryan what kind of material are you using, also have you tried doweling the second operation to keep your WCS more accurate?
I’m working on a UMC750SS and am wondering if there is a way to set my C and or B axis g54 with a probe?
At GE, at the start of every part program the part probe would be programmed to touch off of the tool probe to find the centers of all the probe tips then the probe was programmed to move over to the part & probe the part in X, Y, & Z. the way you showed how to do it involves operator involvement which should always be kept to a minimum to prevent operator induced error. Granted we had so engineers that caused the part probes to crash into parts ruining a $25,000 part probe.
Nice information.
I used to pick up work offsets with an edge finder and Gage blocks then I went to Ecuador for 5 years and then when I came back I started working for a company that used only probing now even if somebody offered me $10 an hour more to work at their shop but they did not have probing I would not even consider it. Maybe it's because I am lazy or maybe it's because if they don't have probing that means they're not keeping up with the times
Aaron - I had the same experience. Once I started using probes, I couldn’t imagine not having them. I use them for fast part setups, broken tool detection, part inspection, comparative probing (part I’m making, against a known good part mounted in the machine) and to make sure parts are loaded correctly. Probing and TSC Through Spindle Coolant are hard to live without once you’ve used them. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
In which company they offer you 10$ an hour? What's is the qualifications to apply in this company as a CNC operator, programmer, or designer (CAD CAM) ?
You get paid hourly. Who cares if you probe slower manually.
@@unclhos Any machinist worth their salt wont use the excuse of "I get paid hourly so I blah blah blah". Those are the guys who hold shops back and get replaced.
Worth watching this video....
How do i go to the page that have the variable 188 to check the bore dia.. when I use the bore cycle to probe? Thanks
I have a twin to your VF-1in the back round. The # is 1100 built on June of 1990. Still running but with a few problems.
Joanne Pfeiffer bb hyu hmm 'll love
If I use measure cycle 2 BOSS to get to the centre of the part, I have a clamp in the centre so how do I make sure the Z goes up higher enough to go over the clamp, Im new to this and only used the machine for 2 days and dont want to smash the probe.
thank you !!!!!!!
Can you make a video of how to prope a round part on 4 axis HRT160 . Pleas
can you do a video on set up for a trunnion with DWO on a VF or DT. Its so many more steps and tools compared to the old trunnions I have set up but once set up its awesome but I had to order a small calibration sphere to get it done.
Jeff Tiedeken - Keep checking the Haas TH-cam channel. We have an upcoming series, that covers exactly what you are talking about - all about 5 axis.
How well does HAAS probing work with fusion 360 cad/cam?
Hi Mark thanks for the tip, I was wondering if Haas be so kind to send me, a vertical & horizontal Mills operating manual?
Why isn’t access to the probing cycles available on the offset page on software version 2038 like Mark is describing in this video?
I can see adding features in later versions of software but why take away such useful features in later versions of the software??
And also, why is there no shortcut to probing from the offset page at all? I know there is access to the probing cycle to the far right on the tool offset page. But that’s all as far as I can tell. Of course probing can be accessed from edit_VPS.
I find the probing interface on the older system under VQC MUCH more streamlined- plus you can jog the probe to the starting location while in the interface, and not have to go back to Hand Jog.
One question or issue I have run into though. When trying to do tool offsets (Auto lengh and diameter) on very small endmills (
have you found an answer?
@@hetlerz4sken no. I've asked that question of several Haas service technicians, and trainers, and none knew of a way to change that.
Good Lord with the crash scare. Y'all are killing me lol.
I have to admit, it scared me lol. I jumped off my chair!
I almost crashed a probe irl 😳 boy was I sitting bricks.
Is there a reasonable way to preset with work probe to NOT zero? I am running castings that I find the top of part with a work probe routine in my part program and set Z=0 but I then have to do a macro routine to shift G54 down .025 in Z in order to get where I need to be. Was easy enough to do until the job came up again with "program restart" enabled. Can you guess what happened? Any time you exited and restarted it would increment G54 down .025". Needless to say that was a problem. Now restart is left off except if needed. I'm looking for a more elegant solution that won't leave me vulnerable to the restart feature needing to be "off". Thought about using the macro variable the probe writes to but couldn't figure out where it went and if it was saved or went away. Any tips?
Mark Smith -
To avoid the issue you describe, we can either 1) Write our program based on the Z cast face (facing at Z-.025), avoiding a Work Offset shift altogether, or 2) Write a macro to evaluate whether the machine is in Program Restart, Graphics Mode, or running in Real Time, and only shift if in Real Time. Writing #5023=#5023-.025 will bring our G54 Z down by .025” each time it is run - even if the program is run in Graphics, or with Program Restart (Setting 36 On) - just like we commanded. To avoid running certain code when in Graphics/Restart, I will write Macro Logic that evaluates the time a dwell takes (using #3001). If a .5 second dwell happens in less than .5 seconds (instantly) then we are in Graphics/Restart mode, and I have the program skip the Offset Shift, or Alarm out. Shoot me an email at TOD@Haascnc.com, and I can send you some short example programs. Some probing cycles, like the Probe-a-bore cycle in VQC or VPS allow us to put in an XY shift amount, where it will shift the Work Offset by this amount after probing. I don’t know of a direct shift feature in a Z-axis Single Surface probing cycle, but you can always give the good folks at Renishaw a call. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
this guy looks like the kinda guy that gets excited about probing...
Speak for yourself 😂 I get excited too
Probing is my favorite topic too.
Is there a machine simulator for PC by any chance ? Need Haas (fanuc) version of simulator but i can't find any :/
Доброго времени суток.Возможно ли данным щупом на таких станках производить замер готовой детали и вывод получившейся величины? Например расстояние от одной стенки впадины, до другой стенки.Если возможно, то покажите пожалуйста видео или хоть какую-то инструкцию по данному процессу. Спасибо.
Николай Мельников - We have a video on how to DPRNT out probed data, coming out in the next few weeks. Look for that video! Thanks for the comment. To have the control find the distance between two probed features, I’ll use Macros, or the Renishaw O9834 cycle, from the Renishaw Inspection Plus Manual. You can download the manual from our website, diy.haascnc.com/renishaw-inspection-plus-programming-manual-2008 - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
I wanted to get those standard pictures of probing at 3:50 so I naively googled probing pictures. lmao
be glad that YOUR probe is larger...
In the macro line for the probe cycle it uses "S" value for work coordinates 54 through 59. How would I use to for work coordinates G154 P1 thru P99
G154.01 to G154.99 I think
@@Game0verxD I found I could use G110 thru G128 upon some experimentation which got me where I needed to be
10:55 Can you please get the link to this video? If it was made 😊
Do you have any videos on setting your soft jaw height without a probe
Check out th-cam.com/video/uNjMIIRttFE/w-d-xo.html, and we also have another video on setting these values manually coming out in the next month or so, so keep checking back in or subscribe so you get that one when it is released.
I tried corner 2 instead of corner 4 it doesnt show me where to put the probe like u said it should, it still shows the same corner on the picture
Sir how to set C zero by probing in UMC 750 5axis machine
Thousand thumb UP
x que no hacen un video de este tema en español saludos.
Can somone tell me how to enable G55 or any other work offset , currently when press machine to read G55 it automatically changes back to G54 , what am i missing here , machine is Haas VF-3?
Is it possible to break the probe tip with hand jog or does it stop you from doing that?
Eggsr2bcrushed hand jog is the easiest way to break a stylus unfortunately. The probe has to be on and in a G65 (protected) move for the probe stylus to detect the contact and stop axis motion.
I tell our operators, as long as the receiver is lighting red, you can break it. If it's green, you're safe.
Eggsr2bcrushed - Why are you asking me? Who have you been talking to? Yep, it is definitely possible (so I’ve heard), to break a probe tip when jogging around. The tips themselves are meant to break-away, and are reasonably priced. If you use the probing cycles in this video, the machine will alarm out if the probe accidentally bumps into something, with no damage. If probing, from within your G-code program, using the Renishaw Inspection Plus macros, you ALWAYS want to 1) Turn on your probe, and then 2) Position your probe with a G65 P9810 Protected Positioning move, before moving anywhere. Sounds like a good video topic. Thanks for the comment. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day.
10:46 Can you please have the link to that video? 😊
Is there a way to probe one surface, say a Z height on a fixture plate, then manually shift that offset to reflect the zero position on the part. I tried just manually adjusting the difference and I got an error.
After we probe our Z surface, we can adjust our Z Axis Work Offset by highlighting the correct column/row (G54...Z), inputting the shift amount, and pressing Enter (Add) or F1 (Overwrite). If we get an error message, it is probably just a warning because the value in our Setting 142 OFFSET CHNG TOLERANCE is set smaller than the amount we want to adjust things by. If we get the warning, we can just continue, by verifying the large change by pressing "Y", or we can zero-out Setting 142 which will disable the feature.
Daniel-Brazil. Ainda compro uma máquina dessa para minha empresa.
Hello. Why the program output has G42 and 41 when the error message appears
why cant i use the probe to measure right from my control?
We have DMG mori machines, probing is more easy and more friendly, even the system is quite simple from siemens, but i am interested into Hass machine because are cheaper comparing to DMG mori
Can you not make a probing cycle in MDI on the new controller, like I can on the classic controller?
Joseph - The new NGC control will take all of the same Classic G-Code style probing programs, like G65 P9995, G65 P9023, along with all of the Renishaw Inspection Plus cycles. You can still probe from the Offset pages, like we did on the Classic controls as well. The NGC does not have the same VQC templates (black background) that the classic controls had though, these have been replaced by newer VPS probing templates that can be accessed by pressing EDIT, and then navigating to the VPS tab and selecting ‘probing’. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Hii sir,
Nice to see you on screen.
I have a question .can I make program in 4 digit 'O' number?
Haas default setting is 5 digit.
Example- O 11221
I need- O 1122.
Reply if any solution.
5 digits is required. You can enter less than 5 digits but the control will add leading zeros.
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Thanks a lot sir for your reply .
hi when I would probe my single surface I found Y axis in option how can I change it to z axis
Mountassir echchelh - The template is just remembering your last probed axis. On some versions of software, we must press “ORIGIN” to reset the template (shows all axes again), instructions should be in the top right corner. If you are still having an issue, exit and re-enter the template. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
Is there a video on how to find the center of a hole? Thanks.
For picking up a hole with an indicator, check out th-cam.com/video/kvkO_If3UVg/w-d-xo.html. For using a probe, check out 08:35 in the video
How to program a square piece of job that is each length 100 mm and the finish job 80 mm face milling and out. Side milling
What I have never understood is why go to all the trouble of probing every job and every tool for every job.
If you set your origin to a fixed point and you never change it (say bottom left of the table with Z0 at the surface of the table.
Then put the part in the right place by say having pins on your table so your vice is always in a known location. Then you generate the program with the stock in the right location then you can just put the stock on the vice and start. No messing around with offsets?
thats nice if you always run the same part.
I keep trying to hand jog over for probing, but the damn wheel just moves the offset numbers around, I need machine to move not the values in an offset page. What is set wrong?
When probing a single surface I notice on your VPS screen that negative values for X and Y are allowed, on my new VF2SS only positive values are allowed. Is there a setting to change this?
Hi Bill. There is no setting for that. They are different software versions and have what we consider improvements on the new.
So what about the ones that don’t have a “probe action column?” I get x y and z then the next column is work material. There’s no column for probe action.
For a very short time, while we were integrating some software improvements, probing was removed from the Work Offset page. In this case, you can probe through VPS by pressing EDIT>VPS and navigating to the Probing templates. If you do have software version 100.17.000.2030, you can call your dealer and ask to have your software upgraded to add probing back to your Work Offset page. Hope this helps. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
6:20 i thought the lecture is over hahahaha
Got me too LMFAO
Need work offset lathe without tool eye video
Daniel - Brasil
9:28 Can I have the links to that video? 😊
whats the systeme version ?
What is the name of the probe tool, edge finder or what?
In this video we are using a Haas Renishaw OMP 40-2 Spindle Probe, which is an option on many of our machines.
How to probe after you have flipped the part and want to machine the other side?
Are you just looking to make sure the part is loaded correctly, or do you want to actually reset a Work Offset, from within your program, with your probe? Both are possible using our probe and some macros. This video will show you how to probe a part, from within a program th-cam.com/video/fFZi6rWIcuU/w-d-xo.html. If you have a more specific question, let us know. Sounds like a great topic for a video!! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day
1:05 New Kids on the Block.
I worked at a cnc for a year! Ran parts in n out of the machine. I would give my boss a heads up we’re running out of material! We’re out for like month or 3. Coolant, mill parts, the guy was crazy! Just found out the place ran out of business! Glad I was gone already!
The only time I use an edge finder is when I'm picking up a roll on some funky angle
Anybody know how to change the tool pocket assigned to the probe?
The variable that records what Tool Number is used by the probe is automatically set during the Probe Calibration Process. The easiest way to change this is just to move your Probe to that Tool Number/Pocket and then recalibrate.
Does anyone know the difference between “outside corner” and “vice corner”? Cause they seem identical
It really depends on the version of Software. In most cases, "Vise Corner" will probe the Z, along with the XY of the corner, while "outside corner" only probes XY. In the latest NGC software, we have added the option to probe the Z face to many of our probing cycles.
Zed Axis.
This doesn't apply to the vf6 that I have it's a different controller
Sorry, too cumbersome! I can get X,Y and Z on that small block in under 20 seconds with an edge finder. My new VF2 has the probe system and we don't even use it anymore...The tool-setter is still ok for tool breakage detection. However, the probe needs to be streamlined a little - I'd like to see it have a manual mode to jog n touch in each direction...
How do you set Z with an edge finder?
Ive been machining for a couple years and have never seen someone set Z with an edge finder, I don't think it's possible honestly. If it is then I'd love to know how!
Sorry, I've been doing this for so long it's second nature to me. Over ten years with this method and never any issues. Here's how I go about this. 1. Keep an edge finder in the machine at all times in a dedicated tool #. 2. Then touch off the length of the edge finder the same way you would with any other tool. 3. When you go to set G54 "Z" slowly bring down the edge finder on top of the part in .001 increments using the movable tip to act as a feeler gauge. 4. As soon as there is contact, hit the "TOOL OFFSET MEASURE" button. 5. Add the length of the tool to your G54 z value. Viola - Z is set with edge finder. Once you get used to this method, it is actually very fast.
i do it the same way, also most of the time z is not critical as u use stock
I like that! never though of it but its so simple.
I set all my tools off a ground boss of known height (the same height as the top of my fixed jaw). Then to set my Z on stock like this, I just measure the distance between the top of stock and my vice jaw with my callipers and bang that value (minus my facing amount) into my offset page. It's fast too and doesn't cost thousands as an optional extra. Its a shame they couldn't have integrated the z datum probing into the X and Y cycle, would half the time it takes straight away.
Tens seconds in ten minutes LOL
Operating v m c offset my name Shamu Roy from making A program Sir please sir from Indian
We use macro and mastercam program. Because it so easy...👍👍
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Is there much point in me watching these tips when all I'll likely be able to afford is a 20 year old machine?
Do the older Haas controls have a family resemblance?!
Thomas - Obviously the control has changed in 20 years, but many of the tips apply to all machines and even just machining in general. We get a lot of feedback from non Haas users that the tips are still helpful. Haas Automation
@@haasautomation Thanks! I've found them handy already, also useful to see that the principles carry straight over from manual machining and set ups.
Just recently purchased a pacman machine so I almost thought I'd lost it finally at the beginning. It's still early here haha.
😄😁😅🤣 proposé moi un poste s'il vous plaît. Je veux travailler sur une HAAS.😁😉
Can it run Doom?
he clearly likes it!
I came here expecting dirty comments about "probing tricks". I'm actually kind of dissapointed.
Lol its faster with an edge finder minus the radius , and bam :), and for the z axis measured tool with piece of paper
Not even remotely as fast or as precise. Not even at all. You've clearly never properly used a probe before.
The first 3 min of this was a waste of my life
Why isn’t access to the probing cycles available on the offset page on software version 2038 like Mark is describing in this video?
I can see adding features in later versions of software but why take away such useful features in later versions of the software??
And also, why is there no shortcut to probing from the offset page at all? I know there is access to the probing cycle to the far right on the tool offset page. But that’s all as far as I can tell. Of course probing can be accessed from edit_VPS.
Dean - Probing from the Work Offset page was put back onto the control, with major improvements, in 100.17.000.2040 Software. You can work with your local Haas Factory Outlet to have your machine Software upgraded to the latest. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day