I have an idea: Sketchmonkey should design a car that breaks most/all of the rules of a good car design, while trying to make it look as good as possible
Bugatti & Pagani disagrees with you because their every car is personalized acc to client's taste essentially making almost every model a super rare special edition.
The fake vents drive me crazy! I would have bought the Civic a few years ago if it weren't for all the fake crap on that car. I just couldn't go there!
Don't know why he list this as a new trend the old Chrysler crossfire had 18s in the front and 19s in the rear and I'm sure it wasn't the only one like this just the one that popped in my head
@Chris Hall You just copied what he said. But there is actually a big performance increase in makimg the front RIM smaller. Because there is more tire carcass. With this there is way more grip when steering because there is more "movement" in the tire possible.
Yeah, but in the way he was speaking about. The rear has taller and wider tires for more of a contact patch on that RWD platform. So what were you trying to get across other than he's wearing a shirt that perfectly displays what he meant???
Not just BMW's excessively large grills but all other car makers too.
4 ปีที่แล้ว +2
I like these large grills - but then without the other big (fake) inlets. The large BMW grill would look fare more clean when it was the online opening in the front. Mazda tries to do this with its quiet clean front.
In my opinion The most beautiful benz’s were made in the 50’s through the 80’s the most beautiful BMWs from the 60’s to the 90’s the most beautiful Audis are being made today .
1. Absolutely agree. I hate those fake vents and all that overstyle caused by them. The Civic Type R might be a great hot hatch to drive, but imho it looks like a plastic toy for kids. Same with fake exhaust pipes. 2. Larger wheels = heavier wheels = less rubber than can work less. When you look at race cars, they don't drive with 21 or 22 inch wheels, they use 18 inch wheels i think. And those big wheels even look good on most cars imho. Same with tuning cars with their suspension too low. To me it looks like the suspension is broken. 3. Overall i'm not a fan of touch screens or touch elements in cars at all. Problem is: You can't use your muscle memory, it always takes the attention from the road for a short moment which imho is an unnecessary safety issue. You're not allowed to use phones or tablets while driving, because they distract the driver. Why is there one (or more) big tablet in almost every new car? Plus i think round instruments made from high quality materials look still way better than a flat screen. 4. Same as all the fake vents. If you put a diffusor on a car make it at least work. And don't put it on non-sport versions of cars. It looks just stupid on an SUV, saloon or hatchback. 5. Don't like SUVs at all, although i understand why people buy them (lots of space, high seating position). These cars are just too heavy and i don't like the proportions. The "normal" SUV shape just looks like a hatchback with bad proportions. B. It just looks bad and i don't know anyone who likes that new design language. Old BMWs had style and the grill fits the overall design of the car. It doesn't in the new 3 and 4 series. Saw an M4 a few days ago and it doesn't look any better in real life.
1:35 Ford makes that small cutout in the grill on purpose, it's on the gt500 too. It's supposed to have something to do with maximizing air flow into the engine
@@THESLlCK I looked into it a little more, supposedly they made it that small to channel air to the right places while reducing upward pressure on the hood at high speeds. they made the hole smaller in 2019 than in 16-18 to match the 350R
Yea, the look bloated. The normal boxy shape just looks strong and confident. Like moving statements. I don't like SUVs in general but boxy ones like the Durango Hellcat, GLE or (surprisingly) GLB look pretty neat. America needs more wagons though. I saw today a US Wagon (I guess 70s or 80s) here in germany, with wood on the side and chrome in the front. It looked so striking, so wide and long. I want a CT5-V wagon, a Challenger Magnum Hellcat, a Chevy wagon...all the wagons you can imagine. Although I love Germans Wagons and I love the E63s of my dad, I'm just tired of seeing the same wagons over and over again. Another E-Class, another A6, another 5 series, another Passat, another Octavia...its sooo repetitive.
@@axelode45 wagons are just awesome. I want luxury wagons like an S-Class T-Modell (S63 wouldn't hurt either), 7 series Touring, A8 Avant. Luxurious german wagons, American muscle wagons, reliable Asian wagons. We need them all!!! - this post was made by the Wagon-Master Race -
@@frederic6518 I agree but I would, instead of the Q8, put the new Land Rover Defender: in my opinion, while being the death of a true off road icon, is one of the worst looking vehicles made recently, truly horrible, seems a cheaper copy of a Skoda Yeti...
Counter arguments 1. Fake vents get rid of negative space and create lines that can be tied together beautifully and when done right can make a caroookr more attractive. 2. Different sized wheels are fine for the exact reason you said they're done. They improve the stance and give the car a rear wheel drive and thus a sportier look. They're also look more upscale as you dont see them on economy cars 3. The problem with floating displays is not so much the floating factor but the fact that the screens themselves are ugly, they have big bezels, have low pixel density and just generally dont look as good as smartphone screens. Sometimes trying to fit a large screen into interior trim looks goofy because it looks like the automaker is trying to hide it. (The Venza implementation is terrible though) 4. There is no counter argument 5. Coupe rooflines are more aerodynamic which is why the Model X and Model Y have them. Also haveing a coupe roofline doesn't subtract from the taller ride height of an suv which is one of the main reasons people buy them. It also doesn't take away off road capability. It doesn't make the rear cargo area any less wide or deep which are the most important dimensions when taking into account cargo space. Coupe rooflines can subtract rear headroom but usually only children are put in the back of SUVs. The only other downside is that it subtracts feom the vertical space of a cargo area but coming from someone whose loaded hundreds of items into the back of suvs. That isnt an issue as most items that would require that extra cargo area height are layed flat anyways. For example tvs and chairs. coupe suvs look more unique which can be a good thing and when a performance suv is a coupe it adds to the performance look in my opinion.
I feel like large BMW grilles can work. They worked way back in time. They also work on the Mille Miglia and the 328 hommage concepts. Problem is that they don't work on the current line-up of cars that otherwise have a very horizontal approach to design. They'd have to completely rethink how they do design the cars to maybe make it work ...
I thought you might also mention the fake exhaust tips. I guess that’s been going on for a while. The Audi Q series is the worst offender, but I’ve started seeing it elsewhere, like the Corolla hatchback.
Great video. Wonderful channel. Love your drawing. Big/little wheels are not new. This has been around a long time. Imagine a highboy ;). Happy New Year.
@@whyalwaysme1106 same think thats the reason they are an island. So its suppose to be noticed as sorta separate. Otherwise they'd all just colored black you'd never notice it
3:09 Staggered wheels have been a thing for a long time. Almost every Chevy Corvette generation has had a staggered setup and for most mid-engine Ferrari's they have staggered wheels as well. In the 60's and 70's many people would customize muscle cars to have a staggered setup for more aggressive stance and for drag setups.
I think that larger rear rims are perfectly fine, but I think if the rear wheel is an inch bigger than the front, then the rear tire also has to be bigger, although, I understand that having larger wheels with less tire wall can have benefits.
Many cars have bigger wheels on the rear, but kept the sidewall the same "height". BMW made the sidewall smaller and the rim bigger, so the wheels are the same size, but one looks strange and the other does not.
The problem with BMWs is not the size of the grilles, it's the implementation. The csl hommage and the vision 100 are proof of this... and to be fair to BMW, they are moving forward in terms of design, you can hate them, you can insult them - but you can't ignore them.
Agreed. Also the grille isn't that huge, compare it to other manufacturers, it's basically a square in the middle, weheras other manufacturers like Toyota or Audi have huge "holes" in the front.
3:34 For the BMW the problem is more the tire profile and the amount of difference in size variation. If they did 19"'s in front and 20"s in the back it would look fine. However them making a larger variation in size makes the design look out of place.
1. Fuck yes, agree totally on the vents. Hard disagree on the electrical thing... 2. Yeap agreed. Kind of. But also rim size is getting absurdly large. 3. Oh hell yes... Just kill the screens and shit entirely. Give us buttons. And NO please no interactive windows and shit. Leave that shit off of cars... Please! 4. Eh... Who cares? Does it do what I need it to do. I.e. act as the defuser? 5. Oh hell yes...though as far as I'm concerned, Fuck the SUV's all together.
2:21 I disagree. Electric cars can never take over on their own merit. They’re barely more efficient than gas cars and, like all technology, it will age poorly. The experience of an ICE is much more timeless (obviously assuming the car is semi enthusiast centric) Edit: I’d like to get rid of bmws designer for 2021
Agreed on ALL points. I always thought I was the odd one out who doesn't like nose down ass high cars, and now they're making smaller front wheels to accentuate that even more😭😭😭. By the way Happy New year! I hope you start including names of the soundtracks you play. Some of those songs or beats are incredibly good.
If we are talking historical accuracy, the terms coupe and sedan were styling elements, not door counts. Sedans were large carriages with ample space for a tour of the countryside, while coupes were light, nimble carriages for quick transport. They often had sloped roofs to helped lower weight and usually sat the parents comfortably in front and the kids or others less comfortably on the sloped side.
Different size wheels is great, you're absolutely wrong about that one. EDIT: 4:06 Ok that is absolute BS, keep off the topic of engineering because that is either the stupidest mistake you've ever made or a straight up lie
Two things. 1. Look at the 2020 Dodge Ram screen integration. I think it's one of the best Large format screens yet. 2. On a rear wheel drive car having a larger wheel shortens the aspect ratio or profile of the sidewall of the tire. This allows the tire to have less deflection and less movement when accelerating and turning allowing for a sharper feel. It has more of a mechanical advantage than you let on.
IMHO car design is in a very bad place at the moment. Every new car is extremely overdesigned with no regard for actual aestetics or how the car will age. Also designs are converging to the extreme, meaning that the companies have to go to ridiculous lengths to differentiate their cars (that's why the new BMW front looks so jarring). Everything is so samey and no one really innovates anymore, which is kinda sad. Only in the electric segment is where I see anything close to experimentation and/or clean designs. Having dabbled in design myself, all this has been bumming me out for a few years now. Thanks for coming to my TED-talk!
You are not right at one point. The actual reason why manufacturers have different sized wheels is because of handling. All 4 wheels of the car have the same rolling circumference which equals out of the tire height and the wheel size. When you have a smaller diameter wheel at the front you can have a thicker tire for better cornering performance. Sorry for my bad english I'm German😅
So actually all 4 wheels are the same size when you combine the rim diameter and the tire height. because of that your point that it's only for the stance makes no sense
The best that can happen in terms of design in the electrification is if we go PEM fuel cell. You still need air for the process so you still have grilles and vents
Good one! I totally agree on the Coupe/SUV nonsense .... and I also fail to understand the new BMW design language. I used to be a BMW ‘M’ customer, but this time I bought an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio instead (and ...wow, I love the was she looks ...and even more the way she goes)
The main reasons are (I don't agree but people bring it up): Better visibility Higher ride height "off road" capabilities More comfortable to get in More comfortable to travel long journeys Space (although wagons are better :P) "its fancy, a lifestyle vehicle". In my opinion SUVs and Hypercars are the most worthless vehicles on earth
@@DefinitelyNotEmma The problem for me is that they are probably the worst car in any domain, average in off road but you can have much better with a real 4wd, average space but less than a wagon or a family car, terrible performance and terrible fuel consumption, terrible for city, terrible for highway, confortable but not more than any other luxury car. It’s like someone how wants everything but anything at the same time. The worst is the message behind this car « I don’t bother about pollution and the actual use of my car, I just want big fancy car like a wealthy person »
Love the video. Here are some thoughts on a few of the trends you're calling out. Diffuser abuser - Look at unlimited time attack cars. I believe this is what the designers are trying to emulate by calling so much attention to the "diffuser" with the use of color. Diffusers need to be long and low for maximum effect. SUV Coupes - people like the look of a coupe, but are tired of getting blasted by the headlights of all the monster trucks on the road. BMW Grill - Everyone is doing it! Lexus is the worse offender in my mind, but BMW made it just a bit uglier. I suspect the idea is that if we are going to have frontal area we are going to control the airflow touching it. This cannot be done without the opening. Keep up the good work!
Completely agree with you, this trends need to die! But what increases the most the mechanical grip of the car is the sidewall of the tire not the width of the tire, that's why racecars use smaller rims with a big sidewall.
Trend 1: Fake vents are so they can use thinner metal and plastic like corrugated metal shed. Trend 2: Forces you to pay $500-$700 every 15-25K miles for rear tires, also cuts front warranty tires in half. Trend 3: Floating iPad allows smaller dash boards and cheaper recalls when they fail in 6-7 years. Trend 4: Many new cars are using 20 year old chassis like 2021 Lexus Rx running on 1999 Camry platform... they need to refresh the exterior much like with huge grills and LED fairy lights in front. Trend 5: Really don't know.
1. place plastic pieces filing holes is an EPA and marketing after thought following the engineering choices to give the company a variety of options for configuring the end result. you wanna make more than 1 front bumper or just have different panels for the openings? this decreases cost. i hate fake vents too but some of what you've mentioned aren't fake vents at all. 2. wheel diameter absolutely has a lot to do with grip. if a tire can't absorb impact it will bounce, ride more worse, and be more prone to damage. more sidewall in the front actually does provide more grip in the same way more sidewall in the back on drag cars provides more grip. that's just the first 2 issues i've noticed in your complaints. you know design but you need to brush up on the engineering.
@@Thesketchmonkey I understand that even if u see this reply ur not gonna reply.. ..and I can understand as well.... But I just request one thing from u ...only one thing...make a place on internet wh ed re we can share our designs and u go through them and rectify mistakes.....I really want to become a transportation designer...and I want to get into Coventry UG program.....and I just wanna make sure I have some skills at least.....plz sir plz....I literally beg u...plz!
Pls don't say that the combustion engine era is about to end.. It is the truth but I'm a 13 yr old car enthusiast and I feel bad that i won't be able to drive such masterpieces in the future 😖😖
I agree with all your points, well maybe except for coupe SUV's. Here's another trend I hate: the "mandatory" 5-door layout for A and B segment cars. I want back those lovely little 3-door hatchbacks!
I think the rim size different is for weight distribution, because more rim= more weight. And I think the diffuser really have something to do with aerodynamics because F1 and all race cars all have diffusers. And Happy New Years!
the thing with the diffusers is that they are the color of the body of the car. If they were black or carbon on sport/exotic cars it would look 10 times better. And the rims u would rather have an ugly car that saves 10 kg max or a beautiful car that is 10 kg heavier?
I think the reason mismatched wheel sizes look so bad is due to the different tire sidewall thicknesses. If the tires had the same side wall ratio, it would be much less noticeable
Yes the wheel sizes comparing to the Hotwheels rims was exactly what i was thinking about. I hate those big rims in the rear and the big ones in the front.
Yeah, the different sized rims are installed on almost every muscle car hot wheels. They may look good on premium models because they have tires and with better rims but the plastic wheels on the base models...oh god...
"Integrated windows" NO STOP! WE DO *NOT* NEED THE CAR GOING "Hey the weather's getting a bit chilly" POPPING UP IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE ROAD!
Honestly i dont teally blame the gt350 for having fake vents cause theyre actually blended in really good and imagine how bad it would look without the fake vents it would just have this tiny little opening it would look disgusting
Its a shame cause the m4 has always been my favorite car since it came out and I was really hyped for the new generation. I liked the m4 because from any point of view I would look at it I’d still love it, where the new one instead gives me the feeling that every iconic and unique lines just disappeared into a black hole instead of evolving them into something newer.
The reason isn’t for the stance, it’s so that the car can have a larger side wall on the front tyres whilst maintaining the same overall tyre diameter. A larger sidewall provides better ride and better steering feel.
Great video! There are indeed quite some trends that are unnecessary. However, there are also vents that are not used to cool. There are also vents that channel the air in order to smoothen the airflow around the car and even some batteries of electric cars get cooled by the airflow. They just don’t need that big air intakes to cool a battery. The same thing applies to the SUV Coupés. The Tesla Model X has a Coupé roofline to reduce the air drag. I my personal opinion there are also some trends I jus don’t care about. The infotainment display just floating there for me is acceptable in cheaper cars like the Renault Clio. The new grill design of BMW is a thing of personal preference and I often heard that it’s growing on people. I for that matter do like it.
Great video as always!!! It would be really cool to see a modern redesign of the original Oldsmobile Silhouette! I think it has a really interesting shape and it could look really cool with a few tweaks!
I agree with everything you've said, except for wheel sizes, which I would have to strongly disagree with. I'd say that rear of most sports cars are more built up than the front. If all the wheels were the same size, the rear wheels would look smaller despite them being the same size, because the rear end of the car has more volume than the front end. That's just my take though.
this year I REALLY wanted to buy a new car (in Jan, Feb - before covid), but everywhere I looked, I saw ugly designs. I have a pretty good eye for design and even though I didn't know what specifically was wrong, I just knew the designs were off. And you've explained many of those in your videos throughout the year, and specially in this one. I have no f'in clue what car designers are thinking these days..but..there isn't ONE good looking car on the market. Every car has one or two things that just kill the design for me.
1:47 the vents are not fake. The designer of the supra said the current vent is enough air flow for stock supra. The “fake” vents are design to be able to come off so when tuners wanted more air flow/power, the “fake” vents can become functional.
I don't mind the screens personally. What I noticed is that these things always seems like a big deal in videos and on photos, but in practice, how often do you actually think about how your interior screen situation looks while driving? Normally the screen just displays it's usual thing and I only ever touch it when I need something, it's not like I'm ever concerned about it in day to day use.
Remember the time when car manufacturers didn't follow trends but strived to make each car as distinct as possible? Ghia, Bertone, Pininfarina... All contracted to design art in wheels, free from "trends".
@TheSketchMonkey - hey man, love your work. since you talked about interiors, I thought this can be a great new series for your channel. just like exteriors, also do critiques and redesigns of interiors. more content opportunities for you. you might even scale it up to product designs in general (bikes, cameras, military hardware, ships, trains, home appliance, shoes, computers, clothes etc) in the future and not just stay limited to cars because many of the aesthetic principles are same.
I mostly agree with you. Apart from the Supra, because at least the vents on the sides ad a lot to the car visually. Although, of course, real vents to cool the brakes would've been even cooler. My most disliked trends (which I'd love to hear your thoughts on) are as follows: 1) Bloatedness: For whatever reason, it's trendy for cars to look massively bloated. Look at the current Mondeo and then look at the one that was made 20 years ago. The Polestar 2 could have been a future design classic, but Polestar chose to make it a few inches taller than necessary and throw on cheesy 80's looking plastic fenders to make it look SUV-like. I'm absolutely sure that if you in 10 years time would show a hundred people a photo of a Polestar 2 and a Saab 9000 MKII, and most people will probably guess that the Saab is the newer vehicle. Things have gone so far that I'd say that the best looking sedans on the market today, apart from Alfa Giulia, are Volvos. Yes, frumpy effing Volvo make sleeker cars than their own bespoke performance brand. HOW!?! 2) SUV's: Holy fucking shit, am I tired of these motorized Hapsburg chins. Everyone pretends to care about the environment and safety, then they buy these draggy, heavy behemoths which are statistically more likely to kill others, that are more likely to end up in accidents and are less efficient. All in the name of not bending your damned knees and virtue signaling. 3) Opel-fronts: Since basically forever, sports cars have had their headlights mounted up on the hood. From Ferrari's of the 1940's to the popup headlights of the 70's to the beauty of the Ferrari 575 and the two first versions of the Jaguar F-type. Yet now, for whatever reason sports cars are getting headlights that look like... well, 90's Opels. Seriously, look at the new F-Type face lift and tell me you don't see an Opel Vectra or Calibra.
What bothers me about the different sized wheels in the m3/m4 is that it actually does not make it more dynamic since the wheel as a whole is the same size as the rear one. Its just that the front wheel has a smaller rim and more rubber... You could argue that they know ppl might not like the difference and replace them for same sized set
I have an idea:
Sketchmonkey should design a car that breaks most/all of the rules of a good car design, while trying to make it look as good as possible
Why does this not have more likes
Let's make this a thing.
Yes
Sounds pretty good!
yes please!
"They will go off-track just as many times as they will go on track, which is obviously, never."
Brilliant.
Sadly many cars that are intended for track use will never see one in their life.
Faking the exhaust noises integrated with the sound system annoys me a lot too! Stupid trend
Makes sense in the way, that the car is quiet outside but sounds better for the driver.
and fake exhaust is ugly and need to stop
Saves the manufacturer from having to replace that whole section of exhaust under warranty when it discolours.
@SOUL SEEKER What's the point of the real sound anyway.
It annoyes EVRYONE! That’s why they only put it on one side of the car or something like that!
More trends to end: fake exhausts, too many special editions hypercars,
All the fookin veyron especial editions make me so confused lol
@@whiskersthecatboi You don' know which to buy, right?
Bugatti & Pagani disagrees with you because their every car is personalized acc to client's taste essentially making almost every model a super rare special edition.
How bout soft limiters on supercars lmao
*cough* *cough* Pagani *cough* *cough*
❌ : Spirit of ecstasy
✔️ : Flying lady
@muhammad altaf perfect
❌: TRD trim
✔: Turd trim
“Just remove the X6”
so much yes
Absolutely
alexadelaide GLC "coupe"
"It wins the overall trend of *confused mumbling* just remove the X6 for 2021". Fuck yes, hideous piece of boasting garbage I hate it.
They are going out of production in 2022. Don't worry. The X9 will be coming soon enough.
Nah its cute
you should do an annual award show with the best and worst car designs
What nonsense are you talking about? Sketchmonkey doesn't qualify to do that.
Redesign the Subaru Baja if it was made in 2021!
I’d like to see that
This is an important redesign
@@TheDeepDiveLLC absolutely
laughed so hard at “fundamentally ugly”🤣😭
In fake vents, you forgot the Avalon TRD, the front is basically a vent with headlights
It looks like disposable razor blade cartridges.
A lot of Toyota’s now
@@Colorado_Native that's true, but look at the TRD trim, looks even bigger (probably is the same size, but generates the delusion of a bigger grill)
It looks like a Lexus IS300 with a modern looking facelift.
@@TheRealFobican thats because toyota owns lexus
The fake vents drive me crazy! I would have bought the Civic a few years ago if it weren't for all the fake crap on that car. I just couldn't go there!
Just add more
Then, make the vents functional
Get an aftermarket bumper
Where? The Honda dealer?
Thy made it way better with the new model
100% Agree with all of these, especially the coloured diffusers.
It get dirty easily and look bad.
I think leaving the diffuser black makes it look 10x better.
@@benjaminreed6652 nah i like painted diffusers
@@davemeese6788 to each their own.
@@benjaminreed6652 absolutely
6:24 the new Escalade did a great job at that.
Love the new style of editing. Keeps me indulged feeling like watching more. Happy new year
1:36 I’ve seen so many gt350s and I never realized the REAL grille was that small 😳
I don't even know why the regular mustangs have bigger, less plastic grille when the GT350 needs them more.
it's for aerodynamic purposes, having bigger and "real" grills would create a lot of drag. Audi explained that in the new RS6.
@@johncarlofernandez2698 probably because the 350 is more efficient.
@@joaopinto5850 yea, but a recessed fake grille like the GT350 creates even more drag, because the air is trapped.
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Based on their own research it actually doesn't.
Sports car makers: makes real wheels bigger.
Bmw: Instructions not clear
*makes rear rim bigger* .🤦
Don't know why he list this as a new trend the old Chrysler crossfire had 18s in the front and 19s in the rear and I'm sure it wasn't the only one like this just the one that popped in my head
@Chris Hall You just copied what he said. But there is actually a big performance increase in makimg the front RIM smaller.
Because there is more tire carcass. With this there is way more grip when steering because there is more "movement" in the tire possible.
@@brekaro6290 how did I copy what he said purely stating that it is not a new trend?
Sports car makers: Makes vents in key spots to bring air to important functions of car
BMW: uhhhhhhh *nervously makes front grill 2x bigger*
I'm surprised that there was not a single word in this video about FAKE EXHAUST!
@Jonathan Losito piano black?
Engineer gaming
Fake exhausts look good. They are fake but look good
And yet he whines on about colored diffusers and fake vents on iconic designs..
BTW, your shirt has a car with staggered wheel/tire sizes.
Yeah, but in the way he was speaking about. The rear has taller and wider tires for more of a contact patch on that RWD platform. So what were you trying to get across other than he's wearing a shirt that perfectly displays what he meant???
Staggered doesn’t always mean different wheel diameters
@@AutoYoung Because 1. He might have designed it. 2. Or he likes the image. Which you could argue is against his own view.
Burn
The SUV coupe. When you want to look cool while going over Mt. Speedbump.
Not just BMW's excessively large grills but all other car makers too.
I like these large grills - but then without the other big (fake) inlets. The large BMW grill would look fare more clean when it was the online opening in the front. Mazda tries to do this with its quiet clean front.
The second place for the ugly grills goes to Lexus. But if you'll watch closely, a lot of cars nowadays have huge grills, it's a trend
But what they did to the 3 and 4 series ruined the brand!
In my opinion
The most beautiful benz’s were made in the 50’s through the 80’s the most beautiful BMWs from the 60’s to the 90’s the most beautiful Audis are being made today .
Based on your logic, what would you think the most beautiful be after today?
Different wheels sizes are awesome in my opinion, they make the rear look much more muscular.
Atleast make the whole wheel bigger rather than making only the rim bigger.
@@uap24 true
Well buddy I might just have the perfect car for you
*A top fuel dragster*
7:39 "Firm and tight rear end"
Toyota Supra engineers: you can cut the covered vents, for tuning.
REDESIGN A GAZ-21 SERIES 3 INTO A SUV!!! I'M ASKING FOR 2 YEARS!!!!!!!!!
Im commenting just so that the algorythm will put this higher up
（╯°□°）╯︵(\ .o.)\
1. Absolutely agree. I hate those fake vents and all that overstyle caused by them. The Civic Type R might be a great hot hatch to drive, but imho it looks like a plastic toy for kids. Same with fake exhaust pipes.
2. Larger wheels = heavier wheels = less rubber than can work less. When you look at race cars, they don't drive with 21 or 22 inch wheels, they use 18 inch wheels i think. And those big wheels even look good on most cars imho. Same with tuning cars with their suspension too low. To me it looks like the suspension is broken.
3. Overall i'm not a fan of touch screens or touch elements in cars at all. Problem is: You can't use your muscle memory, it always takes the attention from the road for a short moment which imho is an unnecessary safety issue. You're not allowed to use phones or tablets while driving, because they distract the driver. Why is there one (or more) big tablet in almost every new car? Plus i think round instruments made from high quality materials look still way better than a flat screen.
4. Same as all the fake vents. If you put a diffusor on a car make it at least work. And don't put it on non-sport versions of cars. It looks just stupid on an SUV, saloon or hatchback.
5. Don't like SUVs at all, although i understand why people buy them (lots of space, high seating position). These cars are just too heavy and i don't like the proportions. The "normal" SUV shape just looks like a hatchback with bad proportions.
B. It just looks bad and i don't know anyone who likes that new design language. Old BMWs had style and the grill fits the overall design of the car. It doesn't in the new 3 and 4 series. Saw an M4 a few days ago and it doesn't look any better in real life.
We need to talk about the entirely fake quad exhaust tips of the diesel S6.
1:35 Ford makes that small cutout in the grill on purpose, it's on the gt500 too. It's supposed to have something to do with maximizing air flow into the engine
THAT'S BS. All they need is that little cutout, the rest is unnecessary design filler
@@THESLlCK I looked into it a little more, supposedly they made it that small to channel air to the right places while reducing upward pressure on the hood at high speeds. they made the hole smaller in 2019 than in 16-18 to match the 350R
Thats just ford making up excuses kinda like how apples reason for getting rid of the charger in the box was that it makes the box thinner
@@THESLlCK so your telling me, they maximize air-flow into engine by not maximizing the full use of the grill? logic.
@@lc5957 there's this little thing called drag reduction where a flat wall is better than a big hole that acts as a duct into a flat wall.
I think normal SUVs look much cooler and more aggressive. The coupés look like weak and ugly hunchbacks.
Yea, the look bloated. The normal boxy shape just looks strong and confident. Like moving statements. I don't like SUVs in general but boxy ones like the Durango Hellcat, GLE or (surprisingly) GLB look pretty neat. America needs more wagons though. I saw today a US Wagon (I guess 70s or 80s) here in germany, with wood on the side and chrome in the front. It looked so striking, so wide and long. I want a CT5-V wagon, a Challenger Magnum Hellcat, a Chevy wagon...all the wagons you can imagine. Although I love Germans Wagons and I love the E63s of my dad, I'm just tired of seeing the same wagons over and over again. Another E-Class, another A6, another 5 series, another Passat, another Octavia...its sooo repetitive.
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Oh yeah loooove me some wagons
@@axelode45 wagons are just awesome. I want luxury wagons like an S-Class T-Modell (S63 wouldn't hurt either), 7 series Touring, A8 Avant. Luxurious german wagons, American muscle wagons, reliable Asian wagons. We need them all!!!
- this post was made by the Wagon-Master Race -
@Jonathan Losito the Touareg is awesome. It looks really classy
@Jonathan Losito well as a german I have no idea was an atlas is supposed to be
New series idea: redesign cars with fake vents so they don't have fake vents, while still making them look good. That could be fun/interesting.
Happy new year!!
Happy new year!
1. Splitters and diffusers
2. Oversized grills
3. Blacked out wheels
4. Vertical headlights
5. Lines not following each other.
I thought the title was 5 cars that NEED to die
Edit: Whoah whoah whoah, I didn't say to list your cars, but here mine
If it was, my top 5 would be:
5. BMW Inext
4. Audi Q8
3. Lambirghini Urus
2. Tesla y(if this is the SUV)
1. Audi a3(the newest version)
@@frederic6518 i not agree with u, for me it would be like:
5. bmw inext
4. all suv coupes
3. bmw 4 series
2. bmw m4
1. bmw m3
@@veyard04 at least both of us think that SUV coupes and the BMW Inext are ugly
@@frederic6518 I agree but I would, instead of the Q8, put the new Land Rover Defender: in my opinion, while being the death of a true off road icon, is one of the worst looking vehicles made recently, truly horrible, seems a cheaper copy of a Skoda Yeti...
@@xxxxxtrxxx13 i agree
Counter arguments
1. Fake vents get rid of negative space and create lines that can be tied together beautifully and when done right can make a caroookr more attractive.
2. Different sized wheels are fine for the exact reason you said they're done. They improve the stance and give the car a rear wheel drive and thus a sportier look. They're also look more upscale as you dont see them on economy cars
3. The problem with floating displays is not so much the floating factor but the fact that the screens themselves are ugly, they have big bezels, have low pixel density and just generally dont look as good as smartphone screens. Sometimes trying to fit a large screen into interior trim looks goofy because it looks like the automaker is trying to hide it. (The Venza implementation is terrible though)
4. There is no counter argument
5. Coupe rooflines are more aerodynamic which is why the Model X and Model Y have them. Also haveing a coupe roofline doesn't subtract from the taller ride height of an suv which is one of the main reasons people buy them. It also doesn't take away off road capability. It doesn't make the rear cargo area any less wide or deep which are the most important dimensions when taking into account cargo space. Coupe rooflines can subtract rear headroom but usually only children are put in the back of SUVs. The only other downside is that it subtracts feom the vertical space of a cargo area but coming from someone whose loaded hundreds of items into the back of suvs. That isnt an issue as most items that would require that extra cargo area height are layed flat anyways. For example tvs and chairs. coupe suvs look more unique which can be a good thing and when a performance suv is a coupe it adds to the performance look in my opinion.
Finally 2020 is gone
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
I feel like large BMW grilles can work. They worked way back in time. They also work on the Mille Miglia and the 328 hommage concepts. Problem is that they don't work on the current line-up of cars that otherwise have a very horizontal approach to design. They'd have to completely rethink how they do design the cars to maybe make it work ...
I thought you might also mention the fake exhaust tips. I guess that’s been going on for a while. The Audi Q series is the worst offender, but I’ve started seeing it elsewhere, like the Corolla hatchback.
Great video. Wonderful channel. Love your drawing. Big/little wheels are not new. This has been around a long time. Imagine a highboy ;). Happy New Year.
Why the colored diffusers? I kinda like them actually.
Same. I love them instead of carbon fibre because its detailed. Carbon fibre blends in with the black flooring so it doesnt pop
@@whyalwaysme1106 same think thats the reason they are an island. So its suppose to be noticed as sorta separate. Otherwise they'd all just colored black you'd never notice it
@@biohazardlnfS are you agreeing with me or debating? Im confused
@@whyalwaysme1106 Agreeing
Nope, I too think it looks cheap.
5 new TH-cam trends that NEED to DIE
Trend 1: Copying others content
Trend 2 : See above
Trend 3 : See above
Trend 4 : See above
Trend 5 : See above
3:09 Staggered wheels have been a thing for a long time. Almost every Chevy Corvette generation has had a staggered setup and for most mid-engine Ferrari's they have staggered wheels as well. In the 60's and 70's many people would customize muscle cars to have a staggered setup for more aggressive stance and for drag setups.
I think that larger rear rims are perfectly fine, but I think if the rear wheel is an inch bigger than the front, then the rear tire also has to be bigger, although, I understand that having larger wheels with less tire wall can have benefits.
even my 91NSX have this difference. Reason is the weight shift under acceleration for exmaple.
@@micrograham Oh yes, so the only good looking car with that was/is the DeLorean!
Many cars have bigger wheels on the rear, but kept the sidewall the same "height".
BMW made the sidewall smaller and the rim bigger, so the wheels are the same size, but one looks strange and the other does not.
Mine has 20” all around just the rear wheels are wider and has a different offset than the front.
That would be considered staggered?
The problem with BMWs is not the size of the grilles, it's the implementation. The csl hommage and the vision 100 are proof of this... and to be fair to BMW, they are moving forward in terms of design, you can hate them, you can insult them - but you can't ignore them.
Agreed. Also the grille isn't that huge, compare it to other manufacturers, it's basically a square in the middle, weheras other manufacturers like Toyota or Audi have huge "holes" in the front.
3:34 For the BMW the problem is more the tire profile and the amount of difference in size variation. If they did 19"'s in front and 20"s in the back it would look fine. However them making a larger variation in size makes the design look out of place.
1. Fuck yes, agree totally on the vents. Hard disagree on the electrical thing...
2. Yeap agreed. Kind of. But also rim size is getting absurdly large.
3. Oh hell yes... Just kill the screens and shit entirely. Give us buttons. And NO please no interactive windows and shit. Leave that shit off of cars... Please!
4. Eh... Who cares? Does it do what I need it to do. I.e. act as the defuser?
5. Oh hell yes...though as far as I'm concerned, Fuck the SUV's all together.
6:19: privacy concern
Search history visable
loved that ending!!! Happy New Year to all, and may 2021 be a better year for all of us :)
2:21 I disagree. Electric cars can never take over on their own merit. They’re barely more efficient than gas cars and, like all technology, it will age poorly. The experience of an ICE is much more timeless (obviously assuming the car is semi enthusiast centric)
Edit: I’d like to get rid of bmws designer for 2021
Agreed on ALL points. I always thought I was the odd one out who doesn't like nose down ass high cars, and now they're making smaller front wheels to accentuate that even more😭😭😭.
By the way Happy New year! I hope you start including names of the soundtracks you play. Some of those songs or beats are incredibly good.
2022 Toyota 2000GT redesign PLEASE!!!
If we are talking historical accuracy, the terms coupe and sedan were styling elements, not door counts. Sedans were large carriages with ample space for a tour of the countryside, while coupes were light, nimble carriages for quick transport. They often had sloped roofs to helped lower weight and usually sat the parents comfortably in front and the kids or others less comfortably on the sloped side.
Different size wheels is great, you're absolutely wrong about that one.
EDIT: 4:06 Ok that is absolute BS, keep off the topic of engineering because that is either the stupidest mistake you've ever made or a straight up lie
Bro it does nothing exept make the ride harder in the rear
@@deleted_account3 another clown
Two things. 1. Look at the 2020 Dodge Ram screen integration. I think it's one of the best Large format screens yet. 2. On a rear wheel drive car having a larger wheel shortens the aspect ratio or profile of the sidewall of the tire. This allows the tire to have less deflection and less movement when accelerating and turning allowing for a sharper feel. It has more of a mechanical advantage than you let on.
He just called the spirit of ecstasy a floating lady , subscription lost
Yep.
IMHO car design is in a very bad place at the moment. Every new car is extremely overdesigned with no regard for actual aestetics or how the car will age. Also designs are converging to the extreme, meaning that the companies have to go to ridiculous lengths to differentiate their cars (that's why the new BMW front looks so jarring).
Everything is so samey and no one really innovates anymore, which is kinda sad. Only in the electric segment is where I see anything close to experimentation and/or clean designs.
Having dabbled in design myself, all this has been bumming me out for a few years now.
Thanks for coming to my TED-talk!
I actually rly like the look of the Honda Civic Type R
Same.
Me too. But I ain't a ricer
You are not right at one point. The actual reason why manufacturers have different sized wheels is because of handling. All 4 wheels of the car have the same rolling circumference which equals out of the tire height and the wheel size. When you have a smaller diameter wheel at the front you can have a thicker tire for better cornering performance. Sorry for my bad english I'm German😅
So actually all 4 wheels are the same size when you combine the rim diameter and the tire height. because of that your point that it's only for the stance makes no sense
I too really think the SUV coupés should go. Though I know it would never.
The best that can happen in terms of design in the electrification is if we go PEM fuel cell. You still need air for the process so you still have grilles and vents
The new Toyota Mirai looks great
#2 if the difference is small, then it is fine, but if its like that BMW then...
we are not anywhere *near* the end of the internal combustion era. In 50 years I'd say we may be approaching the beginning of the end
My grandchildren will still hear the 911 scream with a boxer 6 cylinder on the streets
Good one! I totally agree on the Coupe/SUV nonsense .... and I also fail to understand the new BMW design language. I used to be a BMW ‘M’ customer, but this time I bought an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio instead (and ...wow, I love the was she looks ...and even more the way she goes)
I really don’t understand the massive trend of suv that plague the roads, people just have to much money to spend on shit
The main reasons are (I don't agree but people bring it up):
Better visibility
Higher ride height
"off road" capabilities
More comfortable to get in
More comfortable to travel long journeys
Space (although wagons are better :P)
"its fancy, a lifestyle vehicle".
In my opinion SUVs and Hypercars are the most worthless vehicles on earth
@@DefinitelyNotEmma The problem for me is that they are probably the worst car in any domain, average in off road but you can have much better with a real 4wd, average space but less than a wagon or a family car, terrible performance and terrible fuel consumption, terrible for city, terrible for highway, confortable but not more than any other luxury car. It’s like someone how wants everything but anything at the same time. The worst is the message behind this car « I don’t bother about pollution and the actual use of my car, I just want big fancy car like a wealthy person »
@@HC-nj3bs I agree with you, it tries to be all but is none. Although fuel consumption isn't the worst for many of them.
Love the video. Here are some thoughts on a few of the trends you're calling out.
Diffuser abuser - Look at unlimited time attack cars. I believe this is what the designers are trying to emulate by calling so much attention to the "diffuser" with the use of color. Diffusers need to be long and low for maximum effect.
SUV Coupes - people like the look of a coupe, but are tired of getting blasted by the headlights of all the monster trucks on the road.
BMW Grill - Everyone is doing it! Lexus is the worse offender in my mind, but BMW made it just a bit uglier. I suspect the idea is that if we are going to have frontal area we are going to control the airflow touching it. This cannot be done without the opening.
Keep up the good work!
cough cough *Toyota Avalon* cough cough ack
Man I think I got a cold or something
Completely agree with you, this trends need to die!
But what increases the most the mechanical grip of the car is the sidewall of the tire not the width of the tire, that's why racecars use smaller rims with a big sidewall.
Trend 1: Fake vents are so they can use thinner metal and plastic like corrugated metal shed.
Trend 2: Forces you to pay $500-$700 every 15-25K miles for rear tires, also cuts front warranty tires in half.
Trend 3: Floating iPad allows smaller dash boards and cheaper recalls when they fail in 6-7 years.
Trend 4: Many new cars are using 20 year old chassis like 2021 Lexus Rx running on 1999 Camry platform... they need to refresh the exterior much like with huge grills and LED fairy lights in front.
Trend 5: Really don't know.
Trend 4 that's something I hate the most, hate it whenever there's extra coloured bits at the lowest end of the car, just makes them look taller
You hit the nail on the head with the diffusor stuff, I've always hated the look of the Ford Fiesta ST 'cause of that.
1. place plastic pieces filing holes is an EPA and marketing after thought following the engineering choices to give the company a variety of options for configuring the end result. you wanna make more than 1 front bumper or just have different panels for the openings? this decreases cost. i hate fake vents too but some of what you've mentioned aren't fake vents at all.
2. wheel diameter absolutely has a lot to do with grip. if a tire can't absorb impact it will bounce, ride more worse, and be more prone to damage. more sidewall in the front actually does provide more grip in the same way more sidewall in the back on drag cars provides more grip.
that's just the first 2 issues i've noticed in your complaints.
you know design but you need to brush up on the engineering.
Happy new year!...thank u for the videos!!
Thanks for watching!
@@Thesketchmonkey I understand that even if u see this reply ur not gonna reply..
..and I can understand as well....
But I just request one thing from u ...only one thing...make a place on internet wh ed re we can share our designs and u go through them and rectify mistakes.....I really want to become a transportation designer...and I want to get into Coventry UG program.....and I just wanna make sure I have some skills at least.....plz sir plz....I literally beg u...plz!
Pls don't say that the combustion engine era is about to end..
It is the truth but I'm a 13 yr old car enthusiast and I feel bad that i won't be able to drive such masterpieces in the future 😖😖
I refuse to own any car with even a single fake vent. I drive a 2018 BMW M6 and a 1986 Porsche 944. NO FAKE VENTS EVER.
I agree with all your points, well maybe except for coupe SUV's. Here's another trend I hate: the "mandatory" 5-door layout for A and B segment cars. I want back those lovely little 3-door hatchbacks!
About trend 2: the mclaren f1 has the opposite thing, tires are fatter in the back. And that is (one of) the best cars ever made
Bigger sidewalls or wider
I think the rim size different is for weight distribution, because more rim= more weight. And I think the diffuser really have something to do with aerodynamics because F1 and all race cars all have diffusers. And Happy New Years!
the thing with the diffusers is that they are the color of the body of the car. If they were black or carbon on sport/exotic cars it would look 10 times better. And the rims u would rather have an ugly car that saves 10 kg max or a beautiful car that is 10 kg heavier?
@@dafuqareudoing2302 For the rims, I meant weight distribution, and also, I think it doesn't look bad.
Top 5 car trends that need to end:
5: ugly stuff
4: big ugly grills
3: big ugly grills
2: big ugly grills
1: BMW new design stuff
I think the reason mismatched wheel sizes look so bad is due to the different tire sidewall thicknesses. If the tires had the same side wall ratio, it would be much less noticeable
Yes the wheel sizes comparing to the Hotwheels rims was exactly what i was thinking about. I hate those big rims in the rear and the big ones in the front.
Yeah, the different sized rims are installed on almost every muscle car hot wheels. They may look good on premium models because they have tires and with better rims but the plastic wheels on the base models...oh god...
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Quick suggestion...
What would you think about redesigning the original K.I.T.T. but as a 1984 CORVETTE instead of the Trans Am?
Happy NEW YEAR SKETCH MONKEY 🔥❤😄
"Integrated windows"
NO STOP!
WE DO *NOT* NEED THE CAR GOING "Hey the weather's getting a bit chilly" POPPING UP IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE ROAD!
Fantastic channel am just wondering and wanted to know what cad platform you use ? Cheers
Honestly i dont teally blame the gt350 for having fake vents cause theyre actually blended in really good and imagine how bad it would look without the fake vents it would just have this tiny little opening it would look disgusting
According to manufacturers, smaller front wheel with more firewall gives the steering a better feel and helps the car corner better.
Its a shame cause the m4 has always been my favorite car since it came out and I was really hyped for the new generation. I liked the m4 because from any point of view I would look at it I’d still love it, where the new one instead gives me the feeling that every iconic and unique lines just disappeared into a black hole instead of evolving them into something newer.
I always thought those suv coupes looked like awkward tall sedans
The reason isn’t for the stance, it’s so that the car can have a larger side wall on the front tyres whilst maintaining the same overall tyre diameter. A larger sidewall provides better ride and better steering feel.
Great video! There are indeed quite some trends that are unnecessary. However, there are also vents that are not used to cool. There are also vents that channel the air in order to smoothen the airflow around the car and even some batteries of electric cars get cooled by the airflow. They just don’t need that big air intakes to cool a battery. The same thing applies to the SUV Coupés. The Tesla Model X has a Coupé roofline to reduce the air drag.
I my personal opinion there are also some trends I jus don’t care about. The infotainment display just floating there for me is acceptable in cheaper cars like the Renault Clio. The new grill design of BMW is a thing of personal preference and I often heard that it’s growing on people. I for that matter do like it.
Great video as always!!! It would be really cool to see a modern redesign of the original Oldsmobile Silhouette! I think it has a really interesting shape and it could look really cool with a few tweaks!
I agree with everything you've said, except for wheel sizes, which I would have to strongly disagree with. I'd say that rear of most sports cars are more built up than the front. If all the wheels were the same size, the rear wheels would look smaller despite them being the same size, because the rear end of the car has more volume than the front end. That's just my take though.
this year I REALLY wanted to buy a new car (in Jan, Feb - before covid), but everywhere I looked, I saw ugly designs. I have a pretty good eye for design and even though I didn't know what specifically was wrong, I just knew the designs were off. And you've explained many of those in your videos throughout the year, and specially in this one.
I have no f'in clue what car designers are thinking these days..but..there isn't ONE good looking car on the market.
Every car has one or two things that just kill the design for me.
1:47 the vents are not fake. The designer of the supra said the current vent is enough air flow for stock supra. The “fake” vents are design to be able to come off so when tuners wanted more air flow/power, the “fake” vents can become functional.
I don't mind the screens personally.
What I noticed is that these things always seems like a big deal in videos and on photos, but in practice, how often do you actually think about how your interior screen situation looks while driving? Normally the screen just displays it's usual thing and I only ever touch it when I need something, it's not like I'm ever concerned about it in day to day use.
1.Nod
2.Nod
3.Nod
4.Nod
5.Nod
Bonus. Nod
In summary I nod to all these 💁🏻♂️👏
Remember the time when car manufacturers didn't follow trends but strived to make each car as distinct as possible? Ghia, Bertone, Pininfarina... All contracted to design art in wheels, free from "trends".
@TheSketchMonkey - hey man, love your work. since you talked about interiors, I thought this can be a great new series for your channel. just like exteriors, also do critiques and redesigns of interiors. more content opportunities for you. you might even scale it up to product designs in general (bikes, cameras, military hardware, ships, trains, home appliance, shoes, computers, clothes etc) in the future and not just stay limited to cars because many of the aesthetic principles are same.
Could you please re-design the 2011 Subaru Impreza sedan or the f10 BMW 5 series? Thanks so much man, happy new year, and greetings from NY!
I mostly agree with you. Apart from the Supra, because at least the vents on the sides ad a lot to the car visually. Although, of course, real vents to cool the brakes would've been even cooler.
My most disliked trends (which I'd love to hear your thoughts on) are as follows:
1) Bloatedness: For whatever reason, it's trendy for cars to look massively bloated. Look at the current Mondeo and then look at the one that was made 20 years ago. The Polestar 2 could have been a future design classic, but Polestar chose to make it a few inches taller than necessary and throw on cheesy 80's looking plastic fenders to make it look SUV-like. I'm absolutely sure that if you in 10 years time would show a hundred people a photo of a Polestar 2 and a Saab 9000 MKII, and most people will probably guess that the Saab is the newer vehicle. Things have gone so far that I'd say that the best looking sedans on the market today, apart from Alfa Giulia, are Volvos. Yes, frumpy effing Volvo make sleeker cars than their own bespoke performance brand. HOW!?!
2) SUV's: Holy fucking shit, am I tired of these motorized Hapsburg chins. Everyone pretends to care about the environment and safety, then they buy these draggy, heavy behemoths which are statistically more likely to kill others, that are more likely to end up in accidents and are less efficient. All in the name of not bending your damned knees and virtue signaling.
3) Opel-fronts: Since basically forever, sports cars have had their headlights mounted up on the hood. From Ferrari's of the 1940's to the popup headlights of the 70's to the beauty of the Ferrari 575 and the two first versions of the Jaguar F-type. Yet now, for whatever reason sports cars are getting headlights that look like... well, 90's Opels. Seriously, look at the new F-Type face lift and tell me you don't see an Opel Vectra or Calibra.
great video man. i subbed and look forward to more content
I 100% agree with your opinions of the diffuser islands
What bothers me about the different sized wheels in the m3/m4 is that it actually does not make it more dynamic since the wheel as a whole is the same size as the rear one. Its just that the front wheel has a smaller rim and more rubber... You could argue that they know ppl might not like the difference and replace them for same sized set