Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
The Dome Under the Stars was said to be elaborately decorated with Gold, Mithril and Gems. It also housed the Palantir of Osgiliath, the largest of the Seven stones.
@@timonsolus officially according to Tolkien's works, the stone was lost to the Anduin river and never found. Unofficially, and you will need to follow the rabbit down a hole that is my mind, the Osgiliath Palantir was found by the Crowned Prince of Umbar and the High Priest of Melkor in 1180 of the Fourth Age. They used the Ithil Stone recovered from the ruins of Barad'Dur to locate the Osgiliath stone. The quest for the other stones continues north after the Prince and Priest meet the Captain of the Ithilian Rangers. I need to finish the rest of my story to complete the quest.
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Beautiful tangent on the etymology. That same theme in Anduril's description is what made it one of my favorite passages. "Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West"
“This city was once the jewel of our kingdom. A place of light, and beauty and music, and so shall it be once more!!!” This is one of those places that’s tragically difficult to visualize how it once was at its height, for we only see and encounter the city as ruins. But I like to think that after all the wars and conflict it was one of the centers of renaissance and renewal for Gondor. Just like people, places are also not lost forever should we choose to keep them :) But I find it interesting that the city itself was divided by the Anduin the same way the world of men was divided with other races as well as themselves. A form of art imitating life? 🤔
Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
@@bonniebluelass161 , I too see the similarities of our modern western civilization to Gondor before the destruction of the ring. I wonder if this is how a Roman citizen of the Western Empire felt in the late 5th century? Let’s hope art imitates life.
Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
The level of details and symbolisim in even the names is actually insane, we are not reading a work of fiction,we are reading the literal alternate history of another world...or this one.
The tale of Osgiliath reminds me of Berlin, almost completely destroyed in WW2 and then divided into East and West opposing armed camps, a frontier of the Cold War, before being reunited and rebuilt anew into a shining capital of Western culture.
This would actually totally make sense, being that The Shire is often greatly compared to Great Britain. Gondor is so far east that it could actually represent Germany :). I guess London or Paris would be Bree. I wonder what would be Edoras in the modern world?
@@austex1996 while your right about the Britain inspiring the shire from what I've read the elves take the place of the British in WW1 while Gondor and Rohan are a mix of France/Belgium and in the first war Italy. Mordor and the general "east is evil" vibe is meant to show WW1 Germany with Tolkien being said to have metaphorically had sauron take the place of the kaiser as Germany was set to reshape the world order had they won and dominate Europe and thus all their colonies. The reason Britain is the elves is because they are separated from the world of men in the story by the fact that they keep their realms isolated while Britain has the channel in real life. The elves also in lotr send troops around and help however this is a small minority. Most elves are abandoning middle earth as Tolkien may have viewed the British abandoning continental Europe to focus on it's empire. I highly recommend looking into the subject as it's quite interesting how many different takes he could have had
Osgiliath again carries on that reoccurring theme of nostalgia with the Dúnedain honoring their ancestors of the Faithful. Too bad Castamir sacked and destroyed Osgiliath's beauty though.
I think the section that discusses the duality representation of moon and the sun with the stars between is the most interesting part of this entire video for me 😄 I love symbolism in storytelling and worldbuilding
Thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you for the battle time frame. I think only a veteran of a world war, like Tolkien, could even imagine the continuity of battle across ages of history like he did in what was, really, one mega-epic story.
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So Osgilliath was more a batllefield than a piecefull city.... I really love this chanell, it's one of a few things that really relaxes you and helps you during this pandemic and all, @Men of the West, you are trully blessed by Tolkien himself. I cant wait to see White Council video, and pls forgive me but how do you spell your name😁? If it is Yoystan than Yoystan you are amazing!
The architecture of Osgiliath, as well as its geographical position in Middle Earth, gives me a lot Byzantium vibes. I mean, you even have an army out the East coming to attack it. I think that it is mentioned somewhere that Tolkien based Gondor on the Byzantine Empire, in terms of aesthetics and designs. Not sure where off the top of my head, but I remember reading about that a few years back.
I've always thought it was really cool the depth of history that Osgiliath has, I love the realism of how they moved the kings seat to minas tirith, it just all feels so historically believable! Thank for this video, I have had an awful completely sleepless night and it brought a smile to my face! Oh and I love the tangent on etymology, I'm always fascinated!
I always found both Osgiliath and Minas Tiriths' locations too far to the east far from Gondor's geographic center which is usually a desirable characteristic for a capital city. I do realize Gondor's territorial boundaries extended further east in its past, but still it seems too far east. And of all places to locate your capital...within spitting distance from Mordor of all places!?!
Absolutely here for the etymology! A criminally underappreciated field of study. It's amazing how many everyday English modern words have roots dating back thousands of years, spanning continents and countless language groups. Tolkien, being the language nerd that he was, threw more than a few real life etymological references into his legondarium languages.
Another excellent video, thanks Yoystan! Gave me the goosebumps of nostalgia, thinking about Osgiliath rebuilt once more, even though not so close to its former glory, specially due to the tragic and sad loss of the greatest of all Palantiri. I’ve always wondered about what could be seen throughout that one.
I'm really glad to hear that Osgiliath was rebuilt until the reigns of Elessar and probably Eldarion after him. It stands to reason, as we know Elessar rebuilt the northern realm's former capital of Annuminas too.
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Lot of symbolism for the Sun the moon and the stars. But as far as the elements that feel like fire isn't really given that much of an identity of its own in Tolkien's works. I feel like there should have been a 4th silmaril so that way there'd be a Sumerel to represent all four of the elements instead of just having one Silmaril to represent fire and Earth or one ring of power to represent fire and earth
That's a great point Hasan! In Tolkien's works, I always associate fire and earth together, making Aulë the master of both, but you're absolutely right, it could have been explored more!
I like how there many terms Tolkien used in his writing. Like. This place was once known as this, but because this happened, it is now known in this name.
I've been working on a lore video about another series and I was wondering how you create that effect where the images zoom in and out. It makes the video much more engaging when for a lot of works there are only static images/artwork available and not video. I'm new to editing and your videos are a great example of where i hope to be eventually.
That's tragic all of the places of Gondor, got changed because of the wars... I have so far see 0.5/6 movies of the Extended Edition, man I picked up a lot...Gwaihir is named dropped, and though I could speak Elvish, but no... Thanks Mellon, for Osgiliath's RSH, Until the White Council's of Middle Earth...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Hi Joy Stan. Thank you very much for this video. I really do like the history episodes that you create, being a student of history myself. For some reason I remember reading somewhere that the Dome of the Stars had depictions of the actual starlit sky on the inside. Specifically the stars as they looked from the summit of the Meneltarma in Numenore. Am I correct in this?
I do wish there was more maps in Tolkienian works, while it's nice to have Middle Earth so detailed in the more famous map in The Lord of the Rings, a small black dot for Tharbad, Osgiliath, Eregion and Lond Daer doesn't give an idea of size or importance. Also maps of the far east or the Ages of the Lamps.
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A city built on two sides of a body of water which was the capital of a great empire and a city of great wealth and culture before being conquered by an army from the east? Hmmm, I wonder what this city could be an allusion to from real history. 🧐
The comparison is apt to a point; however, while the city you are implying became the capital of that conquering empire and it even ended up claiming continuance to that imperial legacy, Osgiliath remained a ruin and a battleground until the end of Third Age. Perhaps this latter part of the city's fate could be attested toi the impression imprinted into Tolkien by ruins of many European cities he witnessed in WWI, only to be repeated in greater measure and wider scale mere 20 years after? Tolkien was no stranger to these kind of conceptual combinations. The battle of Pelennor fields, for instance, carries in itself elements of not only Catalaunian plains (451), but also that of siege of Vienna (1683) and the less known and half-mythical (but well known to him!) Battle of Bråvalla (mid-8th c.)
Thanks for the great explanation! Did I get it right that after all, the Gondorians destroyed the City themselves during the kin-strife? If it was so, I would suggest that there is another, perhaps less optimistic lesson to learn: The tale of Osgiliath reminds us to care for the things and places dear to us, and not to destroy them foolishly in moments of wrath and conflict, because not everything may be restored such the way it was. 😢
I lived in a city who history tells that it was once named "Cradle (womb) of the Stars" Cuna de Las Estrellas Hermosillo, (beautiful city) Sonora (beautiful sound) Mexico
Was Boramir's body recovered feel like I should know the answer but it hard keep all the info in your head specially when I play games that I try to keep the lore of them as well
He was put in a boat with the weapons of his fallen enemies piled around and set to go over the falls and assumably all the way down the Anduin and out into the sea. I don't recall or imagine anything about a recovery.
Not a recovery, but I think Faramir saw it passing by him on the River Anduin on its way out to the Sea. The only thing that was recovered was the Horn of Gondor which was split in two and which the Rangers of Ithilien found on the banks and brought back to Denethor.
One cause of great regret for me is that there are no extensive writings describing the rebuilding of the places of men. Not just Osgiliath. I would have loved to read of the rebuilding of Arnor and places like Weathertop especially. I also think it a real shame Osgiliath never reclaimed the title of capital city and we never hear about the resettlement of Minas Ithil. For me making Minas Ithil a city of men once the wounds of war were healed, would have been a priority. To show to the world that the darkness and evil had passed for good. I can but dream of new days of glory for both Gondor and Arnor, for the histories that were not written.
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The brief etymological detour was much appreciated.
Truly. I had never made the connections myself!
*Somebody attempts to talk about the events that took place in Osgiliath*
-Finally a chance for Faramir captain of Gondor to show his quality
lol
“Osgiliath, it burns...” 🔥
Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
You have shown your quality Sir Yoystan... The highest :)
This channel is severely underrated.
It’s actually one of the most popular middle earth/arda channels. Rightfully so I might add!
I think you misspelled under-watched. It's likely highly rated by those of us who watch.
The Dome Under the Stars was said to be elaborately decorated with Gold, Mithril and Gems. It also housed the Palantir of Osgiliath, the largest of the Seven stones.
What happened to that Stone?
@@timonsolus officially according to Tolkien's works, the stone was lost to the Anduin river and never found.
Unofficially, and you will need to follow the rabbit down a hole that is my mind, the Osgiliath Palantir was found by the Crowned Prince of Umbar and the High Priest of Melkor in 1180 of the Fourth Age. They used the Ithil Stone recovered from the ruins of Barad'Dur to locate the Osgiliath stone. The quest for the other stones continues north after the Prince and Priest meet the Captain of the Ithilian Rangers. I need to finish the rest of my story to complete the quest.
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Beautiful tangent on the etymology. That same theme in Anduril's description is what made it one of my favorite passages.
"Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West"
“This city was once the jewel of our kingdom. A place of light, and beauty and music, and so shall it be once more!!!”
This is one of those places that’s tragically difficult to visualize how it once was at its height, for we only see and encounter the city as ruins. But I like to think that after all the wars and conflict it was one of the centers of renaissance and renewal for Gondor. Just like people, places are also not lost forever should we choose to keep them :)
But I find it interesting that the city itself was divided by the Anduin the same way the world of men was divided with other races as well as themselves. A form of art imitating life? 🤔
FOR GONDOR!!!
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A beautiful quote from Boromir, and so fitting for the state of all Western Civilization today. May our people and our Civilization be restored!
Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
@@bonniebluelass161 , I too see the similarities of our modern western civilization to Gondor before the destruction of the ring. I wonder if this is how a Roman citizen of the Western Empire felt in the late 5th century? Let’s hope art imitates life.
I imagine myself on a balcony in Osgiliath on a warm summer night, hearing crickets and the river flow beneath and watching the stars ✨
Imagine sitting on that balcony under the starry navy-blue sky...maybe immersing yourself in a book, talking to friends, drinking tea
Yes osgilath was a beautiful city one time thriving, singing, trade bustling etc but now in ruins , but there is very creative way to rebuild osgilath , after the battle of pennalor fields the tens of thousands of orcs dead bodies ready to fertilize the fields to be able to grow abundance of crops , and with tons and tons of iron from the orcs, shield, armor, swords and helmet etc leaving Gondor with lots of iron to exploit and some Corsair ships free for the taking , just melt down the iron to make chisels, hammers tools etc, plows for farming the fields and around it and build skyscraper size building with the iron with stone and glass windows of course, and build a railroad around osgilath for civilians to move around or goods around city and osgilath can be living in a booming era , population growth cuz of crops and more living space for people to live in, rebuilding provides lots of jobs etc mostly farming, traders , construction workers and sailors etc and osgilath would be living in a modern like city lol
Everytime I hear this channel intro music it gives me some peace for some reason...
I'm glad it can provide that for you, my friend!
The level of details and symbolisim in even the names is actually insane, we are not reading a work of fiction,we are reading the literal alternate history of another world...or this one.
Really enjoyed the dichotomy between the moon and the sun in Elendil's two sons!
The tale of Osgiliath reminds me of Berlin, almost completely destroyed in WW2 and then divided into East and West opposing armed camps, a frontier of the Cold War, before being reunited and rebuilt anew into a shining capital of Western culture.
More like Constantinople/Rome me thinks
This would actually totally make sense, being that The Shire is often greatly compared to Great Britain. Gondor is so far east that it could actually represent Germany :). I guess London or Paris would be Bree. I wonder what would be Edoras in the modern world?
@@austex1996 : Geographically, compared to Earth, Rohan would be somewhere around Sweden’s position I guess.
@@austex1996 while your right about the Britain inspiring the shire from what I've read the elves take the place of the British in WW1 while Gondor and Rohan are a mix of France/Belgium and in the first war Italy. Mordor and the general "east is evil" vibe is meant to show WW1 Germany with Tolkien being said to have metaphorically had sauron take the place of the kaiser as Germany was set to reshape the world order had they won and dominate Europe and thus all their colonies. The reason Britain is the elves is because they are separated from the world of men in the story by the fact that they keep their realms isolated while Britain has the channel in real life. The elves also in lotr send troops around and help however this is a small minority. Most elves are abandoning middle earth as Tolkien may have viewed the British abandoning continental Europe to focus on it's empire. I highly recommend looking into the subject as it's quite interesting how many different takes he could have had
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Dude, I never noticed ITHILien and ANORien! Thank you for this etymology tangent, i'd love to see more of these! ^^
"The Land of Osgiliath has been reclaimed!"
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@@Longshanks1690 FOR GONDOR!
a few months later...
"The age of men is over! The time of the orc has come!"
For Gondor!
Dude this was my favorite map on lord of the rings: Conquest. I love Osgiliath! Thanks for the video Mr. West!! 😎👍🏼👍🏼
Osgiliath again carries on that reoccurring theme of nostalgia with the Dúnedain honoring their ancestors of the Faithful. Too bad Castamir sacked and destroyed Osgiliath's beauty though.
Tolkien's love of languages is part of why I love his works ❤️. Ty for another great video my friend
I think the section that discusses the duality representation of moon and the sun with the stars between is the most interesting part of this entire video for me 😄 I love symbolism in storytelling and worldbuilding
Agreed, this is the first time I've heard this interpretation before. Subtle literary genius there.
Great video. I especially enjoyed the part where you talked about the celestial duality and its rulers.
Agreed! Yoystan, it's as though you are trying to teach while you entertain, you sly dog, you...
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This place is very interesting to explore lore-wise. Thank you for making the video regarding on Osgillath. That was such an intriguing topic. 😊
Beautifully told - thank you
Was just re-watching your Aragorn & Arwen video, and again you interrupt! How dare you? 😄♥️
Thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you for the battle time frame. I think only a veteran of a world war, like Tolkien, could even imagine the continuity of battle across ages of history like he did in what was, really, one mega-epic story.
Or maybe he read Gibbon’s famous history of Ancient Rome.
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So Osgilliath was more a batllefield than a piecefull city....
I really love this chanell, it's one of a few things that really relaxes you and helps you during this pandemic and all, @Men of the West, you are trully blessed by Tolkien himself. I cant wait to see White Council video, and pls forgive me but how do you spell your name😁? If it is Yoystan than Yoystan you are amazing!
The architecture of Osgiliath, as well as its geographical position in Middle Earth, gives me a lot Byzantium vibes. I mean, you even have an army out the East coming to attack it. I think that it is mentioned somewhere that Tolkien based Gondor on the Byzantine Empire, in terms of aesthetics and designs. Not sure where off the top of my head, but I remember reading about that a few years back.
That would fit if you note that Byzantine was the remnants of the Roman Empire.
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I've always thought it was really cool the depth of history that Osgiliath has, I love the realism of how they moved the kings seat to minas tirith, it just all feels so historically believable! Thank for this video, I have had an awful completely sleepless night and it brought a smile to my face! Oh and I love the tangent on etymology, I'm always fascinated!
Excellent Video. Very well produced and interesting, as usual.
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The attention to detail Tolkien put in his Middle Earth tales is simply astonishing 😲
Thanks for all your work. Love this channel.
I always found both Osgiliath and Minas Tiriths' locations too far to the east far from Gondor's geographic center which is usually a desirable characteristic for a capital city. I do realize Gondor's territorial boundaries extended further east in its past, but still it seems too far east. And of all places to locate your capital...within spitting distance from Mordor of all places!?!
I merely see stars in your eyes...
'By nightfall we'll be overrun."
Absolutely here for the etymology!
A criminally underappreciated field of study.
It's amazing how many everyday English modern words have roots dating back thousands of years, spanning continents and countless language groups.
Tolkien, being the language nerd that he was, threw more than a few real life etymological references into his legondarium languages.
Thank you for the hopeful spirit of this spotlight at this time in the world.😀
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Another excellent video, thanks Yoystan!
Gave me the goosebumps of nostalgia, thinking about Osgiliath rebuilt once more, even though not so close to its former glory, specially due to the tragic and sad loss of the greatest of all Palantiri. I’ve always wondered about what could be seen throughout that one.
I feel like an addict because I been craving for a video hit all week.
Thanks great subject
I would have loved for Tolkien to have done a full description of Osgiliath at its height--Maybe under Hyarmendacil I or Atanatar IIThe Great.
Amazing work again!
As a distraction from our loss at the finals this is a good tonic
Fantastic video, really well discussed and explained. Nicely done!
Gosh man, you do so well with these videos. I LOVE IT! well done!
Great video, Yoystan. It is always sad when great cities come to ruin by war.
I honestly love how Tolkien used language as a worldbuilding tool.
Thank you for sharing your gifts, friend.
I'm really glad to hear that Osgiliath was rebuilt until the reigns of Elessar and probably Eldarion after him. It stands to reason, as we know Elessar rebuilt the northern realm's former capital of Annuminas too.
The symbolism of the three cities is really beautiful
Thanks for another great video which I can use to help my friends become Tolkien fans
Another great video
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Never really put the connection together between the Sun and Moon. Great video!
What if Utumno was rebuilt and became Morgoths seat of power for the first age? How would the war of wrath play out with Udun back in play?
Great video as always Sunday now complete
Good video as always. If I need to get my lore, I know where to go.
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awesome video Yoystan sorry if i spelt your name wrong me bad dyslexic
Thanks Jamie, I appreciate it buddy! You spelt my name perfectly!
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Lot of symbolism for the Sun the moon and the stars. But as far as the elements that feel like fire isn't really given that much of an identity of its own in Tolkien's works. I feel like there should have been a 4th silmaril so that way there'd be a Sumerel to represent all four of the elements instead of just having one Silmaril to represent fire and Earth or one ring of power to represent fire and earth
That's a great point Hasan! In Tolkien's works, I always associate fire and earth together, making Aulë the master of both, but you're absolutely right, it could have been explored more!
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I like how there many terms Tolkien used in his writing. Like. This place was once known as this, but because this happened, it is now known in this name.
Loved the Cosmic Angle
Great video!
A great video as always Men of the West.
Thank you for the etymologies 🥰
I've been working on a lore video about another series and I was wondering how you create that effect where the images zoom in and out. It makes the video much more engaging when for a lot of works there are only static images/artwork available and not video. I'm new to editing and your videos are a great example of where i hope to be eventually.
That's tragic all of the places of Gondor, got changed because of the wars...
I have so far see 0.5/6 movies of the Extended Edition, man I picked up a lot...Gwaihir is named dropped, and though I could speak Elvish, but no...
Thanks Mellon, for Osgiliath's RSH, Until the White Council's of Middle Earth...Marion Baggins Out!!!
Hi Joy Stan. Thank you very much for this video. I really do like the history episodes that you create, being a student of history myself.
For some reason I remember reading somewhere that the Dome of the Stars had depictions of the actual starlit sky on the inside. Specifically the stars as they looked from the summit of the Meneltarma in Numenore. Am I correct in this?
An interesting question I thought about: What if Sauron actually tainted the elven rings of power? (Forged alongside Calembrimbor)
Thank you.
I do wish there was more maps in Tolkienian works, while it's nice to have Middle Earth so detailed in the more famous map in The Lord of the Rings, a small black dot for Tharbad, Osgiliath, Eregion and Lond Daer doesn't give an idea of size or importance. Also maps of the far east or the Ages of the Lamps.
The thumbnail kinda reminds me of GoT Volantis haha. Nice video by the way.
Gosh, I love Lore.
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A city built on two sides of a body of water which was the capital of a great empire and a city of great wealth and culture before being conquered by an army from the east?
Hmmm, I wonder what this city could be an allusion to from real history. 🧐
The comparison is apt to a point; however, while the city you are implying became the capital of that conquering empire and it even ended up claiming continuance to that imperial legacy, Osgiliath remained a ruin and a battleground until the end of Third Age.
Perhaps this latter part of the city's fate could be attested toi the impression imprinted into Tolkien by ruins of many European cities he witnessed in WWI, only to be repeated in greater measure and wider scale mere 20 years after?
Tolkien was no stranger to these kind of conceptual combinations. The battle of Pelennor fields, for instance, carries in itself elements of not only Catalaunian plains (451), but also that of siege of Vienna (1683) and the less known and half-mythical (but well known to him!) Battle of Bråvalla (mid-8th c.)
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Thanks for the great explanation! Did I get it right that after all, the Gondorians destroyed the City themselves during the kin-strife? If it was so, I would suggest that there is another, perhaps less optimistic lesson to learn: The tale of Osgiliath reminds us to care for the things and places dear to us, and not to destroy them foolishly in moments of wrath and conflict, because not everything may be restored such the way it was. 😢
good video m8!
"Remember today little brother. Today life is good."
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god I love Gondor so much
excellent!
I love how the urban planners of Gondor basically made the inner kingdom a reflection of their "religion" (Two Trees and Silmaril).
Was Boramir's body recovered feel like I should know the answer but it hard keep all the info in your head specially when I play games that I try to keep the lore of them as well
He was put in a boat with the weapons of his fallen enemies piled around and set to go over the falls and assumably all the way down the Anduin and out into the sea. I don't recall or imagine anything about a recovery.
Not a recovery, but I think Faramir saw it passing by him on the River Anduin on its way out to the Sea. The only thing that was recovered was the Horn of Gondor which was split in two and which the Rangers of Ithilien found on the banks and brought back to Denethor.
Amazing
Gandalf: “So Passes Denethor Son Of Ecthelion”
One cause of great regret for me is that there are no extensive writings describing the rebuilding of the places of men. Not just Osgiliath. I would have loved to read of the rebuilding of Arnor and places like Weathertop especially. I also think it a real shame Osgiliath never reclaimed the title of capital city and we never hear about the resettlement of Minas Ithil. For me making Minas Ithil a city of men once the wounds of war were healed, would have been a priority. To show to the world that the darkness and evil had passed for good.
I can but dream of new days of glory for both Gondor and Arnor, for the histories that were not written.
Restoration. This ideal is high, indeed. I subscribe to this notion.
Good vid.
Sunday, is this the current metric?
You always posted your weekly vids on Monday.
I've had some more time on my hands recently, so I have been able to get these videos out a bit earlier! I hope it's not inconvenient!
I always waited on Monday, for my TLOR content.
Makes a Monday just bearable as a wage slave!
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3:50 Subtitles on.
I always new Osgiliath's true geographical location was somewhere in Australia.
Under my very nose!
Lotro pics appreciated!