Here I am, a guitar player brought here by that video about frets on violin :P. Very cool selection of bass lines, not so obvious choices (except "Seven Nation Army") [+]. Also there will probalby a lot of people complaining that Seven Nation Army was played on a guitar (which is true, but that still a bassline) :P.
This was fun! Next up I should probably have a go at an actual double bass... (And to make room for new musical experiments, I'm going to put this violin up for sale soon.)
Sooo... For another cool thing, Bach's Cello Suites on an electric bass. Since a bass is is an octave down from a cello, it is a change-up. You should be able to find Suite no. 1 in G major BWV 1007 on bass on TH-cam without much difficulty. BTW, there is a D1, but (unless playing a 5-string bass) it is get-by-able to cheat with a D2, especially if plucked near the middle.
This is great !. It's good to see you enjoy yourself playing your instrument. The reason your video is a hit is because you have a positive vibe about you.
I got the message to come here too. To start; you're quite the dish. :-) Seven Nation, My Sharona and Another One, were my faves that you covered. Having noodled with guitar in the past and did a spate of home recordings; I can say that fret buzz is good in some instances. I am pleased and awed by them who can play the fretless instruments while hitting the notes right. Thank you for answering our "what if" questions. Chow, (Ciao) Baby !
The bow angle can also vary pitch so violinists have to keep adjusting with intonation in left hand can't do this frets. They work on a guitar for multi note chords but if don't press the strings all the way down the frets don't come into play that is how you get slide guitar 🎸. Adam Beanstock
Sorry for the second post but I wanted to say a word about fret buzz. Fret buzz is not always a bad thing. Sometimes a certain amount of fret buzz is sought out as part of the sound. Willie Nelson plays a classical guitar with lots of fret buzz and refuses to let his repair guy fix it. I thought that was strange until I acquired two (cheap) classical guitars. One has nice pure tones and the other needs some work because it has fret buzz. I like the pure tone one but mostly I play the one with buzz because it brings me closer to the sound I love.
Great video again. I really wasn't a fan of the plucking but the bowed sound is lovely. I'd be really interested to hear how you'd normally use the octave violin without frets and what role it would normally play in a piece of music
In terms of timbre the alto violin sounds closer to a regular guitar than a bass to me, at least in this recording. I think it would be interesting to try playing famous guitar riffs and or solos with these kinds of strings. If possible even on an electric violin so you can get even more of an electric guitar like sound. Edit: also, if you're planning on doing this, if you're interested, I'm willing to help out. I got some experience I audio engineering and can help with the amps and effects part of recreating guitar sounds. I'm also Dutch, if that matters, though it should be possible to work something like that remotely. Let me know if you want a hand with that.
I'm one of those guitar players that was intrigued by your previous "fretted violin" video. I was well aware of the use of tied gut frets on Viols, and was curious how frets sounded on a "modern" violin. I'm surprised that I've never heard of an "Octave" violin before, and I liked the tone. I know about Scordatura, but I'll have to check out some videos of Octave violin now. Thanks
There are octave strings for viola as well, so you even have the low C string and thus the entire cello range. I tried that too, but the instrument's body is just too small to carry the sound.
Nice, first thing I thought about when I saw the title was My Sharona and you played it ;). To be honest I'm also not the biggest fan of the frets on my Viper since it feels a bit awkward, but it does improve my intonation a bit and you can play a bit faster since you dont have to press the strings so hard. Also, the Ruby Amber Joule looks so good on cam! Unfortunately haven't heard anything about the register thing yet, will send an email tomorrow and keep you to date.
These stick on frets are maybe an idea for beginners, but a drawback for intermediate or above players. The usual beginner sticks some flat markers on the fingerboard, which is probably a better way to start. My daughter's 2nd violin teacher refused to teach any student with fret stickers, so they were removed for her at the age of 7 and I think that was for the best. Regarding Octave strings: I set up an electric/ acoustic 4/4 Violin body with Octave Viola strings so that it equals a Cello's notes, (hoping to help her improve lower piano stave sight reading). The amplification is essential for any attempt to sound like a real cello. The low C string is extremely thick and needs digging the bow, (whether a Viola or Cello bow is used), in hard The other 3 strings do work well and the low C is fine to play if playing pizzicato. I would not recommend the fat Low C string even if used on a Viola, so violin octave strings work well on a violin or could be used on a viola with violin octave tuning but either must be plugged in. Now she has an Octave pedal as well and it can do 2 octaves and many intervals in-between. Therefore the Violin Octave strings could be used with a cheap Donner pedal to take in down another 5th to get to the Cello notes without the hard to use extra thick low C string. Apart from playing around with pizzicato a little, she just played the following in one take, by ear without practising it and never played the instrument again in 4 years since! I hope she will find time to use it at a jam session some day. It cost £70 + shipping +VAT and maybe some import duty at customs from China Song brand + the strings so = appx £180 to £200 depending on luck with import duty . th-cam.com/video/swcrrOoGRUY/w-d-xo.html
Oi! How low can you tune that thing without getting horrible intonation problems? I'm thinkin to get one to carry along with my little sampler so I can jam errywhere.
On the electric guitar I use a technic called mute picking to play lead type sections the muting makes the harmonics ring in a real cool way. As you pick mute the string with your thumb holding the pick really low. It's really cool technic that works even better with effects
Most octave violins are solid body electric ones, this is primarily down to the sound being produced by the pickup, a standard violins hollow body is just not big enough to vibrate at the correct frequencies for an octave lower, hence it does not sound as deep as you would expect, a bridge pickup up may actually sound better.
My first and only bass guitar: 6string fretless bass from Alembic Wal 6. Removed the neck, make it thinner, better to handle, with a smaller snare base, no need to strengthen it, as ... I "tuned" it so, that the snares were basically spaghetti, and the "6th" string was a mega-thick, self made "sub bass snare", 1.6 to 1.7 times the thickness of a normal bass snare, and "spaghetti-tuned" this as well. Made this snare by taking 2 bass snares apart, and turn "one and a bit" into a new snare. This was darn difficult, but I oddly still managed. The sound it released was hardly heard, but felt, some in the public became sick of the vibrations. Metal days, Metal heads, awesome (barf) times. Quite a few though didn't like our heavy, steamroller sound: we played a slow, menacing, inescapable metal type, slower'n'heavier even than Sludge ... Our "music" had a feel, that was meant like like: Your stuck on the ground, unable to move. A mega-large steamroller comes at you, at immense slow pace. It will flatten you, and there's no way to escape it ... Impending Doom ... Few fellow bass musicia ... uuuuh ... nutcases -nutcases is more correct, believe me, i am NOT kidding, these guys were heavy yet high as kites- tried my "Nuke Bass" (I named it so, for the low, threatening sound it had), but somehow, i was seemingly the only one to get a decent note out of it. Probably because of the "spaghetti-tuning", and the fact, the snares had hardly any "pressure resistance": it can be described almost, that if the bass layed on his back, the snares were laying on the neck. Slight exaggeration, but you get the idea. And the bass dudes just could not get used to it ... Back to fretless. Went for fretless after trying 4 normal 6 string bass. But those frets just were in the way, for me. It was like my fingers, when I slid over the neck, were driving over bumps the size of a full blown truck. o_O Probably my Asperger's that made it feel as such. I HATED that feeling with a passion. The store keeper offered me a "sunken frets" one, where the frets were filed down to the rest of the neck, but my eye had fallen on this beauty: The Alembic Wal 6: www.talkbass.com/attachments/img_0209-jpg.1026461/ (not my picture, sadly, my bass got stolen after 5 years, never went to get another one. The loss of this bass was too much for me ... ). Oh, and, I DID try the Sunken Frets one ... I told the shopkeeper, I still felt the frets, he declared me insane. Still, I did get the best buy ever, my Wal 6 ...
Thank you for sharing the link in a reply to my post. This was wonderful. What struck me most is the fact of octave strings strings for violin. Second: I enjoyed the fact that you learned about the 12 fret rule and the compromise factor of frets. Lastly I was interested in the fact that you first had to write out the score. It reminded me of the old joke: "do you know how to get guitar players to turn their volume down? Put sheet music in front of them."
Thanks for the link 👍 that was both odd and brilliant, great choice of bass lines, My Sharona was my favourite one, peace and love to you from Ireland Sister ✌️❤️🇮🇪
I got sent a message to come here, and this was interesting, maybe an Idea would be to add a built-in Pickup on a violin and guitar pedals like distortion and chorus etc...plugged into an Amp would be great :) …yeah that's the mind of a guitar player, Lol for ya ...
Hello Marijke, Well I thought that I was "outside the box" with 16" and 5 strings. I see that you have one-upped me. I like the octave strings to put you into the cello range. I wonder how they would sound on a 17" viola? Deep and loud I am guessing. Have you seen the rubber stringed bass ukulele? No kidding it's a real thing, and surprisingly it sounds decent. One thing that I like about you is, you are not afraid to try new things when it comes to violin based instruments. So many "traditionalists" would otherwise look down their collective noses at you. But I say "you go girl!" As a side note: your video (picture) quality is out of this world.
I think octave strings on a big viola would sound awesome! I once bought a cheap viola to do this with, but it still sounded meh. I think theses trings need a better quality instrument to really produce a good tone. And yes, I've seen those bass ukuleles, I really like them! And trying new things is so fun! And thank you!
On a true viol (fretted ancestor to the violin) the fretts are carved out of the wood on the fret board although some more modern versions do use brass fretts.
You chose quite a challenging task with this one. The pizzicato technique used for violin doesn't really suit bass lines. Bass players tend to repeat string plucks with adjacent fingers, which I think is much easier on a bass guitar, and in some ways easiest of all on a double bass due to the curve of the fingerboard and bridge. You did well, considering how tough it must have been to adapt! The octave violin strings are interesting, and I'd never heard of them before. Thanks for the video!
OK, that was good enough that I believe the Prelude to Bach's cello suite in G major is within your reach. I wonder what it would sound like on this? A viol player once showed me that there are two positions, behind the fret and on top of the fret. Behind the fret rings and on top is dampened. I think it affects pitch too.
It's a kinda weird for bass players that the violin, regular or octave, is tuned G-D-A-E low-to-high, which is the reverse of a standard bass tuning of E-A-D-G low-to-high 🤔
ik kijk met plezier naar je video's. daar ik in april van plan ben om een kopen voor mijn verjaardag. dus zal maar nog wat verder kijken naar je kannaal.
In terms of fun things, I find it fun to arrange folk music from other countries. may I suggest doing five folk songs from other countries arranged for violin?
Interesting. It loses a bit of the warmth and life of an unfretted violin, but the low notes are super cool. It's definitely a cool option for layering musical lines in a multi track recording.
@@MarijkeViolin As a guitar player (and a brass player and a woodwind player), I'm on the eversearch for new and interesting sounds. I call it the eversearch because it's a quest that never end, lol. My most recent equipment eversearch has been for an affordable fretless electric guitar. I'm writing a 2 guitar piece (Key of F sharp) and second guitar requires the mellow tones of a fretless guitar. You wouldn't believe how expensive those things are.
@@buisyman Everything that's uncommon is expensive, unfortunately. I've been drooling over hurdy gurdy's and nickelharpa's, but the prices go through the roof!
@@MarijkeViolin Tell me about it. I was in a music shop last week and saw the most beautiful alto sax I've ever seen. I could have bought it........For about $3,000.00USD. Unfortunately, they don't take checks, lol
@@MarijkeViolin Yes, it's like one of those horrible accidents and you can't look away. I just have this picture in my mind that I could one day do that to one of my babies, I'd fall on my knees and cry: „Oh baby! Please forgive me! What have I done to you?!“ Hahaha! Well, that's the wonderful thing of owning things, you can do that to your violins and I can watch it in horror. There is some pervert feeling of screaming inside and the hair on the necks are standing while you wring your hands and you can't look away! Fretted violins! Sacrilege! I mean, yeah. How about some nice guitar instead? Look! It has frets! I switch one of my western guitars against any of your tortured babies! Instant! And that are not bad guitars, promise. Marijke! You can have two guitars, just give me one of your violins that you tortured like that. It's like a kitten that is suffering and that you need to rescue to give him or her a good life instead. I mean, I got some violins here, that are three? Three. At least the electric is a bad monstrosity, but I can play it silent and that's why I have it. They are not half as nice as yours. But I would never do that even to this cheap board that is a sorry excuse to be a violin. Not even that soulless electric thing I would play with frets. Oh, Marijke, Marijke, I don't watch horror movies anymore after I have suffered through this, hahaha! You have spoiled my sense of horror those kind of movies will never be again on the level they were before. Really, I do enjoy it. I hope you drill in a plug for a good solid 6.35mm audio phone connector just right of the chin rest. You can glue that in with epoxy glue and why not spray paint the instrument with some glitter car enamel? Spray paint some stars on it and saw out some parts of it and replace it with neon colored transparent plastics, and some blinking LED strips inside that flash like fire? Is cool. Best take some well hung German craftmanship violins from one of the students of Amati or Guarneri for that? I mean who wants German violins anyway that don't blink with LED strips inside? You have no idea how much I'm laughing here. This is madness, I like madness. Must be your red hair, Marijke. If you want to laugh, you'll see some of my own playing on my channel, which was a promise for some of my students a few years back. I regret nothing.
Neat! I liked the Seven Nation Army one plucked the best, I think the attack sounds closer to the rhythm of a bass and the tone was kinda like a banjo! It has a nice bluesy folk sound If you end up with hundreds of people asking for Hysteria by Muse then you'll know the algorithm has been kind. Or Dua Lipa! That "guitars are never completely in tune" issue is such a problem, some producers retune just so it sounds ok in the area of the neck where a part is being played. Some guitar tuners even have a mark so you can tune to a pure major or minor 3rd above a note, in case you would want to do that, ~for some reason~!
You crazy girl! 😵😵😵 but if i had to choose the plucking best for faster songs...the bow for slower chunes. No ideas or experiments come to mind but if they do ill be sure to chime in.
ha you're having fun girl. thanks for taking me here haha. yes violin is what makes violin a violin. it's the beauty of each instruments. but yeah it's always fun to try things weird and out of their way haha. keep it up
It is good to know you confirmed what violin players have said over the last several centuries, namely, the frets confine you to a tuning system and that is not nice. Imagine if the piano had the tuning flexibility of the violin!
I’m with you Marijke. “I very much prefer to play on a violin without frets.” In fact, I never play a violin with frets. It’s anathema to me! Call me a traditionalist and purist, but I am someone who insists on precision and correctness. I would never compromise the veracity of any violin by degrading it from its original design with frets. I have nothing against frets. There's a time and place for frets, for example on my mandolin and ukulele. 👍 😉 🎼 🎵
Interesting, but musically unsatisfying. It's the wrong instrument for rock basslines because it lacks both attack and sustain; and you're not a rock bass player. I won't be writing any arrangements that call for an octave violin. In the process of transcription and realisation you basically flattened out the elements of these riffs that make them exciting, it's a common mistake made by classically trained musicians. It would sound equally odd if I tried to play famous violin pieces on the bass.
That instrument sounds terrible.👎 Better off just slappin’ a real bass ! 🥳 Or get a guitar and use an octave pedal .. anything’s better than the violin with octave strings.. 🤣🤣 Like cello! Imagine that!😉 Any cello will tell you that a G2 has no business being at a violin’s pad.😮 🥳😆
@@MarijkeViolin I thought I was batty playing acoustic and electric guitar, electric bass, multiple flutes at university, and alto and tenor saxophone, then deciding to take up violin and viola almost simultaneously as a retiree. 3 years already and alto clef is still pissing me off!😩 Have fun🥳👨🏻👉 PS) I have to say that orchestral stringed instruments are harder to negotiate than flutes, saxophones and guitars, at least to me.
Here I am, a guitar player brought here by that video about frets on violin :P. Very cool selection of bass lines, not so obvious choices (except "Seven Nation Army") [+]. Also there will probalby a lot of people complaining that Seven Nation Army was played on a guitar (which is true, but that still a bassline) :P.
Thank you! I thought I'd start with the obvious one, and then select a few I liked, although I hardly know any bass lines.
This was fun! Next up I should probably have a go at an actual double bass... (And to make room for new musical experiments, I'm going to put this violin up for sale soon.)
Sooo... For another cool thing, Bach's Cello Suites on an electric bass. Since a bass is is an octave down from a cello, it is a change-up. You should be able to find Suite no. 1 in G major BWV 1007 on bass on TH-cam without much difficulty.
BTW, there is a D1, but (unless playing a 5-string bass) it is get-by-able to cheat with a D2, especially if plucked near the middle.
"Another one bites the dust" was my fav 👏👏👏👏👏
Yesss!
This is great !. It's good to see you enjoy yourself playing your instrument. The reason your video is a hit is because you have a positive vibe about you.
Thank you so much for saying! ^_^
I got the message to come here too. To start; you're quite the dish. :-) Seven Nation, My Sharona and Another One, were my faves that you covered. Having noodled with guitar in the past and did a spate of home recordings; I can say that fret buzz is good in some instances. I am pleased and awed by them who can play the fretless instruments while hitting the notes right. Thank you for answering our "what if" questions. Chow, (Ciao) Baby !
Thank you! ^_^ And that's interesting to learn!
You prefer a violin without frets because you're a real violinist. :) Thanks for sharing the results of your experiment with us.
Thank you!
Sweet! Loved Seven Nation Army and My Sharona! And you're pretty sweet on your own too.
Thank you!
I found this video extremly interesting and thank you for posting such great content😁
I want to thank you for posting this video, that included some of the greatest music hits of all time. I'd like to see more videos like this someday.
Nice to hear, thanks!
i like the idea of a fun violin video, its been a pleasure
Thanks!
Ever play an electric/acoustic 5string with or without frets?
Really fun video! Also, great idea doing it with and without a bow
Thank you!
I think your experiments prove that violins are better without frets! :-)
Thanks for posting.
Agreed! And thank you! :-)
The bow angle can also vary pitch so violinists have to keep adjusting with intonation in left hand can't do this frets. They work on a guitar for multi note chords but if don't press the strings all the way down the frets don't come into play that is how you get slide guitar 🎸. Adam Beanstock
Nice to know!
Sorry for the second post but I wanted to say a word about fret buzz. Fret buzz is not always a bad thing. Sometimes a certain amount of fret buzz is sought out as part of the sound. Willie Nelson plays a classical guitar with lots of fret buzz and refuses to let his repair guy fix it. I thought that was strange until I acquired two (cheap) classical guitars. One has nice pure tones and the other needs some work because it has fret buzz. I like the pure tone one but mostly I play the one with buzz because it brings me closer to the sound I love.
Thanks for sharing, always nice to learn something new! :-)
Great video again. I really wasn't a fan of the plucking but the bowed sound is lovely. I'd be really interested to hear how you'd normally use the octave violin without frets and what role it would normally play in a piece of music
Thank you! And good idea! I've been thinking of a making a duet with my regular violin and my octave violin.
In terms of timbre the alto violin sounds closer to a regular guitar than a bass to me, at least in this recording.
I think it would be interesting to try playing famous guitar riffs and or solos with these kinds of strings. If possible even on an electric violin so you can get even more of an electric guitar like sound.
Edit: also, if you're planning on doing this, if you're interested, I'm willing to help out. I got some experience I audio engineering and can help with the amps and effects part of recreating guitar sounds. I'm also Dutch, if that matters, though it should be possible to work something like that remotely. Let me know if you want a hand with that.
Wat een leuk idee! Stuur me maar even een berichtje op Instagram (@marijke.violin) en dan kunnen we eens kijken wat we kunnen doen. :-)
I'm one of those guitar players that was intrigued by your previous "fretted violin" video. I was well aware of the use of tied gut frets on Viols, and was curious how frets sounded on a "modern" violin. I'm surprised that I've never heard of an "Octave" violin before, and I liked the tone. I know about Scordatura, but I'll have to check out some videos of Octave violin now. Thanks
There are octave strings for viola as well, so you even have the low C string and thus the entire cello range. I tried that too, but the instrument's body is just too small to carry the sound.
Nice, first thing I thought about when I saw the title was My Sharona and you played it ;). To be honest I'm also not the biggest fan of the frets on my Viper since it feels a bit awkward, but it does improve my intonation a bit and you can play a bit faster since you dont have to press the strings so hard.
Also, the Ruby Amber Joule looks so good on cam! Unfortunately haven't heard anything about the register thing yet, will send an email tomorrow and keep you to date.
These stick on frets are maybe an idea for beginners, but a drawback for intermediate or above players. The usual beginner sticks some flat markers on the fingerboard, which is probably a better way to start. My daughter's 2nd violin teacher refused to teach any student with fret stickers, so they were removed for her at the age of 7 and I think that was for the best.
Regarding Octave strings: I set up an electric/ acoustic 4/4 Violin body with Octave Viola strings so that it equals a Cello's notes, (hoping to help her improve lower piano stave sight reading). The amplification is essential for any attempt to sound like a real cello. The low C string is extremely thick and needs digging the bow, (whether a Viola or Cello bow is used), in hard The other 3 strings do work well and the low C is fine to play if playing pizzicato. I would not recommend the fat Low C string even if used on a Viola, so violin octave strings work well on a violin or could be used on a viola with violin octave tuning but either must be plugged in. Now she has an Octave pedal as well and it can do 2 octaves and many intervals in-between.
Therefore the Violin Octave strings could be used with a cheap Donner pedal to take in down another 5th to get to the Cello notes without the hard to use extra thick low C string. Apart from playing around with pizzicato a little, she just played the following in one take, by ear without practising it and never played the instrument again in 4 years since! I hope she will find time to use it at a jam session some day. It cost £70 + shipping +VAT and maybe some import duty at customs from China Song brand + the strings so = appx £180 to £200 depending on luck with import duty . th-cam.com/video/swcrrOoGRUY/w-d-xo.html
Oi! How low can you tune that thing without getting horrible intonation problems? I'm thinkin to get one to carry along with my little sampler so I can jam errywhere.
On the electric guitar I use a technic called mute picking to play lead type sections the muting makes the harmonics ring in a real cool way. As you pick mute the string with your thumb holding the pick really low. It's really cool technic that works even better with effects
Thanks for sharing! There are still so many things to learn.
Most octave violins are solid body electric ones, this is primarily down to the sound being produced by the pickup, a standard violins hollow body is just not big enough to vibrate at the correct frequencies for an octave lower, hence it does not sound as deep as you would expect, a bridge pickup up may actually sound better.
My first and only bass guitar:
6string fretless bass from Alembic Wal 6.
Removed the neck, make it thinner, better to handle, with a smaller snare base, no need to strengthen it, as ...
I "tuned" it so, that the snares were basically spaghetti, and the "6th" string was a mega-thick, self made "sub bass snare", 1.6 to 1.7 times the thickness of a normal bass snare, and "spaghetti-tuned" this as well.
Made this snare by taking 2 bass snares apart, and turn "one and a bit" into a new snare.
This was darn difficult, but I oddly still managed.
The sound it released was hardly heard, but felt, some in the public became sick of the vibrations.
Metal days, Metal heads, awesome (barf) times.
Quite a few though didn't like our heavy, steamroller sound: we played a slow, menacing, inescapable metal type, slower'n'heavier even than Sludge ...
Our "music" had a feel, that was meant like like:
Your stuck on the ground, unable to move.
A mega-large steamroller comes at you, at immense slow pace.
It will flatten you, and there's no way to escape it ...
Impending Doom ...
Few fellow bass musicia ... uuuuh ... nutcases -nutcases is more correct, believe me, i am NOT kidding, these guys were heavy yet high as kites- tried my "Nuke Bass" (I named it so, for the low, threatening sound it had), but somehow, i was seemingly the only one to get a decent note out of it.
Probably because of the "spaghetti-tuning", and the fact, the snares had hardly any "pressure resistance": it can be described almost, that if the bass layed on his back, the snares were laying on the neck.
Slight exaggeration, but you get the idea.
And the bass dudes just could not get used to it ...
Back to fretless.
Went for fretless after trying 4 normal 6 string bass.
But those frets just were in the way, for me.
It was like my fingers, when I slid over the neck, were driving over bumps the size of a full blown truck. o_O
Probably my Asperger's that made it feel as such.
I HATED that feeling with a passion.
The store keeper offered me a "sunken frets" one, where the frets were filed down to the rest of the neck, but my eye had fallen on this beauty:
The Alembic Wal 6: www.talkbass.com/attachments/img_0209-jpg.1026461/
(not my picture, sadly, my bass got stolen after 5 years, never went to get another one. The loss of this bass was too much for me ... ).
Oh, and, I DID try the Sunken Frets one ...
I told the shopkeeper, I still felt the frets, he declared me insane.
Still, I did get the best buy ever, my Wal 6 ...
Never got why folks invented frets, even less, using these ...
I like the staccato sound of the pizzacato (I am hungry, sorry) :P ...
Yes, it is pizzIcato, I said i was hungry ... hence pizza (for those that are going to act on my "typo").
Is it me, or do these frets also have the truck feeling on your fingers, Marijke?
Nederland, of Belgie?
I like how you prefer fretless basses from the start! But so sad yours got stolen! :-O (And I'm Dutch, by the way)
Thank you for sharing the link in a reply to my post. This was wonderful. What struck me most is the fact of octave strings strings for violin. Second: I enjoyed the fact that you learned about the 12 fret rule and the compromise factor of frets. Lastly I was interested in the fact that you first had to write out the score. It reminded me of the old joke: "do you know how to get guitar players to turn their volume down? Put sheet music in front of them."
Thanks! And yes, sheet music just makes sense for us. I have seen quite a few band musicians baffled by just the sight of my sheet music, haha!
Thanks for the link 👍 that was both odd and brilliant, great choice of bass lines, My Sharona was my favourite one, peace and love to you from Ireland Sister ✌️❤️🇮🇪
Thanks for watching, glad to hear you liked it! 😀⚡
I got sent a message to come here, and this was interesting, maybe an Idea would be to add a built-in Pickup on a violin and guitar pedals like distortion and chorus etc...plugged into an Amp would be great :) …yeah that's the mind of a guitar player, Lol for ya ...
Thanks! And ooh, that sounds like a lot of fun!
Hello Marijke, Well I thought that I was "outside the box" with 16" and 5 strings. I see that you have one-upped me. I like the octave strings to put you into the cello range. I wonder how they would sound on a 17" viola? Deep and loud I am guessing. Have you seen the rubber stringed bass ukulele? No kidding it's a real thing, and surprisingly it sounds decent. One thing that I like about you is, you are not afraid to try new things when it comes to violin based instruments. So many "traditionalists" would otherwise look down their collective noses at you. But I say "you go girl!" As a side note: your video (picture) quality is out of this world.
I think octave strings on a big viola would sound awesome! I once bought a cheap viola to do this with, but it still sounded meh. I think theses trings need a better quality instrument to really produce a good tone. And yes, I've seen those bass ukuleles, I really like them! And trying new things is so fun! And thank you!
I remember that video.
So that's why I'm here again.
....and because your beautiful blue eyes!
:)
Regards from Rio
Thanks for watching! ✨
On a true viol (fretted ancestor to the violin) the fretts are carved out of the wood on the fret board although some more modern versions do use brass fretts.
Something to maybe one day dive into as well! :-)
You chose quite a challenging task with this one. The pizzicato technique used for violin doesn't really suit bass lines. Bass players tend to repeat string plucks with adjacent fingers, which I think is much easier on a bass guitar, and in some ways easiest of all on a double bass due to the curve of the fingerboard and bridge. You did well, considering how tough it must have been to adapt! The octave violin strings are interesting, and I'd never heard of them before. Thanks for the video!
I'd love to try an actual bass, it will obviously sound way better. And thanks!
Hi. I didn't understand how it works. What kind of strings is that? Are they very hard or something?
Fab! An octave pedal would get it down real low if you use a violin with a pick-up & probably better without frets.
Music advances when one pushes and/or ignores boundaries-great way to experiment! 🏴☠
Our creative and beautiful hostess is back with more interesting content! If only I had the musical aptitude to actually understand more of it!
Thank you! 😊✨
OK, that was good enough that I believe the Prelude to Bach's cello suite in G major is within your reach. I wonder what it would sound like on this? A viol player once showed me that there are two positions, behind the fret and on top of the fret. Behind the fret rings and on top is dampened. I think it affects pitch too.
I tried. It sounds okay-ish, but since it's written for cello there are some tricky finger patterns.
@@MarijkeViolin it wasn't an easy request. Thanks for trying!
It's a kinda weird for bass players that the violin, regular or octave, is tuned G-D-A-E low-to-high, which is the reverse of a standard bass tuning of E-A-D-G low-to-high 🤔
ik kijk met plezier naar je video's. daar ik in april van plan ben om een kopen voor mijn verjaardag. dus zal maar nog wat verder kijken naar je kannaal.
Wat leuk! :-)
In terms of fun things, I find it fun to arrange folk music from other countries. may I suggest doing five folk songs from other countries arranged for violin?
Is an octave violin similar to a viola?
I didn't know any of the songs, but it sounded fun.
Nearer the dream of one day hearing My Sharona in the the style of Stravinsky. 👍
Haha!
Awesome! 🤩
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That was enlightening
Oh i have a request. Can you play Tamlin Glasgow Reel. Use katy Adleson Version. I haven't seen you playing that fiddle piece
I love that song! I once tried it, but it was too hard. Might have a go at it again some day.
Hey there! You might as well get a Fender bass and get to it. You have the hands for it.
I'd love to have a go at bass, actually! I like how it's the complete opposite of violin playing.
@@MarijkeViolin You will fly on a bass. Good for hand exercise grip and finger strength. I recommend a Steinberger bass too.
If you get a Steinberger bass you will fly on it.
Interesting. It loses a bit of the warmth and life of an unfretted violin, but the low notes are super cool. It's definitely a cool option for layering musical lines in a multi track recording.
Exactly!
7 nation Army actually sounded like you rubbed some funk on it when you played it without the bow. Very cool.
Haha, thanks! 😊
@@MarijkeViolin As a guitar player (and a brass player and a woodwind player), I'm on the eversearch for new and interesting sounds. I call it the eversearch because it's a quest that never end, lol. My most recent equipment eversearch has been for an affordable fretless electric guitar. I'm writing a 2 guitar piece (Key of F sharp) and second guitar requires the mellow tones of a fretless guitar. You wouldn't believe how expensive those things are.
@@buisyman Everything that's uncommon is expensive, unfortunately. I've been drooling over hurdy gurdy's and nickelharpa's, but the prices go through the roof!
@@MarijkeViolin Tell me about it. I was in a music shop last week and saw the most beautiful alto sax I've ever seen. I could have bought it........For about $3,000.00USD. Unfortunately, they don't take checks, lol
This is awesome
Thanks!
still cursed, continue
This is pretty cool.
That was pretty cool. The plucked notes reminded me of a sitar for some reason.
Nice!
@@MarijkeViolin I have an idea for a video. How about running the violin through some guitar effect pedals like Delay, Reverb, Overdrive, etc?
It actually sounds pretty good plucked!
Thanks! It really hurt my fingr though. 😉
@@MarijkeViolin maybe use banjo picks would help? or play one like a banjo would be cool :)
@@beatleme2 Nice idea!
Thank you for that experiment, Marijke. I will never do that to any of my violins, that's for sure. Over my dead cold stiff body. :-D
That's why it's fun to watch someone else do it, right? ;-)
@@MarijkeViolin Yes, it's like one of those horrible accidents and you can't look away. I just have this picture in my mind that I could one day do that to one of my babies, I'd fall on my knees and cry: „Oh baby! Please forgive me! What have I done to you?!“ Hahaha! Well, that's the wonderful thing of owning things, you can do that to your violins and I can watch it in horror. There is some pervert feeling of screaming inside and the hair on the necks are standing while you wring your hands and you can't look away! Fretted violins! Sacrilege!
I mean, yeah. How about some nice guitar instead? Look! It has frets! I switch one of my western guitars against any of your tortured babies! Instant! And that are not bad guitars, promise. Marijke! You can have two guitars, just give me one of your violins that you tortured like that. It's like a kitten that is suffering and that you need to rescue to give him or her a good life instead. I mean, I got some violins here, that are three? Three. At least the electric is a bad monstrosity, but I can play it silent and that's why I have it. They are not half as nice as yours. But I would never do that even to this cheap board that is a sorry excuse to be a violin. Not even that soulless electric thing I would play with frets.
Oh, Marijke, Marijke, I don't watch horror movies anymore after I have suffered through this, hahaha! You have spoiled my sense of horror those kind of movies will never be again on the level they were before.
Really, I do enjoy it. I hope you drill in a plug for a good solid 6.35mm audio phone connector just right of the chin rest. You can glue that in with epoxy glue and why not spray paint the instrument with some glitter car enamel? Spray paint some stars on it and saw out some parts of it and replace it with neon colored transparent plastics, and some blinking LED strips inside that flash like fire?
Is cool. Best take some well hung German craftmanship violins from one of the students of Amati or Guarneri for that? I mean who wants German violins anyway that don't blink with LED strips inside?
You have no idea how much I'm laughing here. This is madness, I like madness. Must be your red hair, Marijke. If you want to laugh, you'll see some of my own playing on my channel, which was a promise for some of my students a few years back. I regret nothing.
You should try A Passage To Bangkok on the octave violin. I'm betting that would sound bad ass. Or maybe Red Barchetta.
I'll look it up. :-)
Neat! I liked the Seven Nation Army one plucked the best, I think the attack sounds closer to the rhythm of a bass and the tone was kinda like a banjo! It has a nice bluesy folk sound
If you end up with hundreds of people asking for Hysteria by Muse then you'll know the algorithm has been kind. Or Dua Lipa!
That "guitars are never completely in tune" issue is such a problem, some producers retune just so it sounds ok in the area of the neck where a part is being played. Some guitar tuners even have a mark so you can tune to a pure major or minor 3rd above a note, in case you would want to do that, ~for some reason~!
That's really interesting to learn, thanks!
It is as low as both the cello piccolo & the viola profunda, which are both in the tenor range.
You crazy girl! 😵😵😵 but if i had to choose the plucking best for faster songs...the bow for slower chunes. No ideas or experiments come to mind but if they do ill be sure to chime in.
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My Sharona Lydian mode 😂
The only song I knew was the Seven Army one and just because it's on a video game 🤦♂. Looks like that these strings are a lot of fun.
Experimenting is always fun!
@@MarijkeViolin But expensive!😄
One time I built a theramin with frets. It didn't sound this good :D
LOL!
ha you're having fun girl.
thanks for taking me here haha. yes violin is what makes violin a violin. it's the beauty of each instruments. but yeah it's always fun to try things weird and out of their way haha. keep it up
Exactly! ✨
Super ...
You should collaborate with Paul Davids
A nice idea, although I don't see that happen anytime soon, he's incredibly advanced and I just left the noob phase. But thanks. ;-)
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Come on we all thought of 7NA didn't we!
It is good to know you confirmed what violin players have said over the last several centuries, namely, the frets confine you to a tuning system and that is not nice. Imagine if the piano had the tuning flexibility of the violin!
Exactly!
Davie504 will get a kick out of this
Haha! Well, be my guest and share. :-P
I like without frets best ;)
Same! :-)
why frets on a violin tho 😩
I’m with you Marijke. “I very much prefer to play on a violin without frets.” In fact, I never play a violin with frets. It’s anathema to me! Call me a traditionalist and purist, but I am someone who insists on precision and correctness. I would never compromise the veracity of any violin by degrading it from its original design with frets. I have nothing against frets. There's a time and place for frets, for example on my mandolin and ukulele. 👍 😉 🎼 🎵
Well said!
@@MarijkeViolin :):)
Nice. Now play some Tool!
Interesting experiment but I'm not surprised by the conclusion, violin just doesn't seem like a good match for frets at all!
Indeed, there's a reason they don't have frets. 😇
Again... I think you lose more than you gain fretting the entire board.
Yes, me too.
Interesting, but musically unsatisfying. It's the wrong instrument for rock basslines because it lacks both attack and sustain; and you're not a rock bass player. I won't be writing any arrangements that call for an octave violin. In the process of transcription and realisation you basically flattened out the elements of these riffs that make them exciting, it's a common mistake made by classically trained musicians. It would sound equally odd if I tried to play famous violin pieces on the bass.
Agreed, it lacks the punch. But still nice to "fiddle around" and try.
That instrument sounds terrible.👎 Better off just slappin’ a real bass ! 🥳
Or get a guitar and use an octave pedal .. anything’s better than the violin with octave strings.. 🤣🤣
Like cello! Imagine that!😉
Any cello will tell you that a G2 has no business being at a violin’s pad.😮 🥳😆
Cello and/or bass are next on my list. :-P
@@MarijkeViolin I thought I was batty playing acoustic and electric guitar, electric bass, multiple flutes at university, and alto and tenor saxophone, then deciding to take up violin and viola almost simultaneously as a retiree. 3 years already and alto clef is still pissing me off!😩
Have fun🥳👨🏻👉
PS) I have to say that orchestral stringed instruments are harder to negotiate than flutes, saxophones and guitars, at least to me.