Outstanding video, thanks very much for uploading. I was in Year 12 in Melbourne that year, and my weekend entertainment included exploring the Melbourne network, so I probably saw you at some point! For family history reasons, I spent two weeks in Budapest in 2018, and their modern urban transport system is the best I’ve ever experienced, even if it has lost some of the charm of what we see here. During those weeks, I spent around four hours a day on the trams and metro, a tram fan’s dream! Seeing Széll Kálmán tér in its previous form as Moszkva tér really sums up how the city has changed from a grey Communist capital to a bright and flashy money-driven tourist destination. I appreciate the time you take to share these films, thank you.
Your kind words are appreciated. I don’t know what I expected when I first went to Budapest when it was still barely out of the clutches of Communist control but I certainly ranked the Tramway operation rather highly. While some lines have closed then since then, New trams have since entered service. As for Melbourne, I drove from South Melbourne 1988 to 1994 and mostly did the late shift starting between 3 pm and 4 pm. By that time of day, most tram fans would have given up for the day. I have done two further videos of Budapest which you may have missed but you should easily find them through this link. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
Yes it is quite remarkable but Moskva tér for example has lost all its loops. Old trams are gone. Part 2 is in preparation. You may be interested in the comments by comandanteej a bit further down this page. He is helping with part 2.
😊👍. The number of views so far, considering it is not yet Public on TH-cam, seems to suggest that there will be enough views to make part 2 worth my trouble to prepare. But it may be a few weeks yet.
Thanks for the upload. It is incredible to see 45 minutes of our trams from the year following the year I was born. Incredible to see those places I know and I like as a tram fan, and see your video from the same spots - just from 30 years earlier. My favourite part was Moskva square - at this time the looping tracks all around the square were in use. After the latest renovation of the square the last, unused but remained inside loop had to go, and now we have single track connections and 4-6 trams just change direction at their terminus instead of snaking around.
I am delighted that you and other tram fans have enjoyed this video. Certainly Moskva square was a unique terminus with so many trams moving all the time. I checked Google Earth several days ago and saw that there were no more loops which might be more efficient but is less interesting. Maybe there will be more surprises in Part 2 which is also over 40 minutes long.
@@tressteleg1 As far as I know it was built like this because of the previous generation of our trams you filmed. They were single, two-axle cars, many of the reworked in different ways, so even trams of same type could have looked differently and they pulled non-powered two-axle cars as well. For these loops were the easy solution to turn back, so many junctions and terminuses inherited the loops. The Tatra T5c5 type trams you called when filming the terminus at "Élmunkás square" are nowadays operated with the "B-ends" (backs) to each other (B-B coupling), but on line 59 they ran also with A-B coupling, with no driver's cab at the end. On daily peak demand two of them ran with A-B coupling, between peaks only one car ran. The tram line 59 still have loops at both terminus, and we have some other loops remained from the past. I'm waiting for your next video. 1989 was a loong, loong time ago, but if you ever decide to come back to Budapest one more time a dozen of dozens of tram fans would guide you through :)
@@AshiValkoinen Of course when a four wheel motor pulls a four wheel trailer or two, a balloon loop at the terminus is the easy way to go. But with the arrival of new double ended trams, or at least pairs of single ended trams back to back, the need for loops was gone. Thanks for the update on how the trams are coupled these days. Do any lines still use three car sets of Tatras ? I suppose the new longer trams run on those lines now. One feature of communism is that not so many people could obtain motor vehicles so they had to use public transport but when private cars became more available, the need for public transport was less. The same thing happened in western countries - the USA in the 1930s and 1940s and other countries like Australia between about 1950 and 1970 although the closure of most of our tramways hastened the change to private motor cars because people did not like the replacement buses. I took several scenes at and near the terminus of the 59 which was the end of part 2. I don’t think that another trip to Europe is very likely for me but it would be great to meet the local Budapest tram fans if I did return. By the way, did you have much trouble understanding my voice? I suppose you realise that my comments were for friends back in Australia and when the tape was made, there was not even a faintest dream that something like TH-cam could ever exist.
That is good to hear. Those three car sets certainly look impressive. It’s a pity that Melbourne does not couple its A class trams which are really quite small operating alone. I wonder whether those CAF or Conbino trams will provide 50+ years of service like the trusty UV cars did?
Wow... Thanks so much for recording and uploading this! I was born in Budapest in 87 but ended up living most of my life in Germany, only returning during school holidays. I had a keen interest in public transport, especially anything rail-related, so my grandmother and I would always go on extended tours of the system, since young children and pensioners rode for free. I'd look up a tram line on the map that we never rode before, we'd go there, and then ride it terminus to terminus and back. It was a very enjoyable pastime, but due to a lack of photo gear, I only have a precious handful of images from the year 2000. Seeing all this footage, it's just so completely fascinating to me. I just love the sights of how Moszkva Tér used to look, and how it changed towards the 90s. The long gone reversing loop on the 17, just so many details that have disappeared completely over the course of history. I very much enjoy your commentary about the fares and such, just really puts things into perspective. So hard to imagine something costing just a few Forint rather than hundreds and thousands as it became common. Hell, even seing all those IFAs and Trabants, even rarer (because worse quality) Dacias out and about everywhere. Everything just looked so different back then. Thanks so much for this little time-travel, including that beautiful contactor-clicking on the UV. :)
I’m very pleased that I have been able to take you back to your youngest days in Budapest. I have read other comments before that my videos show things that they only ever saw in black-and-white photographs, so I guess I was in the right place at the right time with the right equipment which few other rail fans had then. I don’t know that I had any particular expectations before I went to Hungary but was very favourably impressed by the efficient way the Tramway was run with track and tramcars in quite good condition. And Moszkva Tér was unique on my first visit when it had several balloon loops for turning trams, later no longer necessary with double ended trams and no trailers. I’m pleased that my Australian English could be understood by you. Electrical equipment also interests me, and that’s why I made sure to get some of the contactor noise. You did not say what part of Germany you were in, but at the moment I am working on Berlin in 1991 and 1992. Tonight I sent the link to a friend to help with locations. I’m sure you also will see a lot of Trabants other ‘old junk’ running around the streets in it. To help locate other Budapest videos I have made, I will post the link separately.
@@tressteleg1 I think that was the most intriguing part for me, seeing Moszkva with the loops still in place and in use. By the time I was old enough to actually remember the wold around me, it struck me as odd how some rails seemed to be somewhat forlorn and arbitrarily blocked by buffers once the large loop for the lines 4 and 6 was no longer present. It goes without saying that the current appearance of the square is yet again different to the one from my 90s childhood. It's interesting to note that everything looked a bit "better" when you recorded it, which was followed by an era of decline in the 90s, caused by graffiti and vandalism, not to mention a severe lack of funds. Thankfully, things have greatly improved in the last decade or two. I spent most of my life in Leverkusen, so there wasn't much rail-related public transit nearby. x) In the late 2000s, I started going to university and had to commute by train, which kicked off an interest in railways and photography that lasted for a few years and produced some nice-ish photos. www.deviantart.com/shenanigan87/gallery
Someone commented some months ago that a major reason for removing the Moszkva loops was that the rails wore out very quickly and needed a lot of attention. You will see the men welding the tracks on a loop in one of my videos. With all the information you are providing, I am saving the email versions of your comments and putting them with the file containing the Budapest videos. Thanks. By the way, I suppose you know the meaning of ‘Shenanigans’ in English 😊😄
@@tressteleg1 Yeah, I think they were absolutely right about that. The main problems were the crossovers, like the one from your video, that took quite a pounding on this heavily used route, the nagykörut (grand boulevard) lines 4 and 6 ran extremely frequently. More civilized places realized that one can build switches where the groove rises to allow the wheels to ride through on their flange eliminating virtually all noise. Sadly this wasn't a thing in Hungary for many more years to come, so people living in such places had to deal with trams making their saucers rattle. x) And yeah, I know the meaning, my username was a spontaneous idea years back, and I just stuck to it... x)
I have to disagree with you about ramped flangeways through frogs. Melbourne does that and they throw the trams around are noisy, and are subject to a 15km/h speed limit, not that all drivers take much notice of that. My local line frogs are not ramped and trams sail through at 40km/h with just a click click. Narrowing the flangeways would probably help a lot. Melbourne did have a few unramped frogs which seemed to give no trouble, but eventually disappeared in track renewals. Unfortunately TH-cam stuff up occasionally and your comment about the 69 was partly visible but it ‘could not be found’ when I tried to open it to read and reply. Generally right wing governments here are disinterested in public transport. They think only people who would vote for the Opposition would use it, so they could not care less, although sometimes they have to pretend to support public transport a little bit. It is not just Hungary with the RW problem.
Thanks. I can’t change the video but I will put a note. I just had to guess from the information I had and my 2 checkers did not have time to watch it all again looking for this bit which I added.
Amazing video, Thank you so much. Good to see the places where I grew up. @12:58 in Moscow square almost all tram had a terminus there, for route: 4, 6, 56, 61. Route 18 passed through the square. I don't really remember if 58 was still there. Still route 4 and 6 is one of the busiest tram line in the world. OMG lots of things changed in the past 30 years. now most of the line are convereted cross-town lines either on Buda or Pest side.
I am pleased that you have enjoyed it so much, and it shows the trams of your city over 30 years ago. Apparently Moscow Square loops were removed shortly after this because the single ended tram - trains were all gone and terminating trams could change ends. Apparently rail wear on the curves was a problem.
It's fantastic; in '89 there is a tramway driver in Melbourne, who one day morning getting up and he finds out, that he wants to travel to Hungary ,to Budapest to look after, how does it works at BKV! And what's next; would you want to make a 30 Years after movie? And what about Miskolc, Debrecen, Szeged, cause in those towns are also have own transport companies , which operates plenty of tram lines. Well done, after this COVID madness, Hungarian trams are waiting for You!
I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. In fact I did visit the three other Tramway towns you mention and on a later visit, there is a video of me driving a tram in Szeged for about 1 km, stopping to let passengers on and off from the last passing loop to the terminus. That was fun! Maybe I will post that one day. Unfortunately I don’t think I will get back to Europe again.
Fantastic footage! A lot of effort went into this video, the descriptions are accurate and interesting. Brought back memories from my childhood - loops on Moszkva sq., UV tramcars, and the colors that are slightly different! All those Eastern-block cars... Neon signs long gone... Also got to see parts of the city i didn't go that time. It's amazing to see how dynamically trams go through points and crossings. (This was two years before a serious accident.) Waiting for part 2 definitely! (And hope for more downtown Pest footage - or maybe old stock on the southern HÉV lines, who knows :) ). Only one little thing: at 8:20 the cog train is coming down the hill, towards the Terminus.
I am pleased that you enjoyed it. Only recently did I realise that I have something that is pretty rare on TH-cam. It took quite a few hours over several days to work out locations from the maps from those days and also add in the extra information from my two helpers. What was the serious accident? By any chance were points set the wrong way and 2 trams hit head-on at a junction? I did not take much video in the city centre and found the UV and Tatra Trams the most interesting so concentrated on those. I don’t think there is much more HÉV but may have something from two later trips which I have not even looked at yet. The 730 views is a lot more than I expected considering that it has not been released to the public on TH-cam yet, so part 2 will be completed sometime in coming weeks.
@@tressteleg1 That accident happened here: goo.gl/maps/wCJWkDBgAGRiZbVP6 , at the former junction of lines 23 and 24. (While 24 still exists, most of 23 became part of the southern part of 1, and the tracks in Vajda Péter st. don't exist anymore.) The story in short: Tram 24 was supposed to continue on the tracks straight ahead. The track was in bad condition and the switch was either set to diverging to the left, or it opened under a (Ganz) tram. It was speeding 40+ kph, and tipped over. Several people died. Ever since then, speed is strictly monitored. The limit is 10/15 on regular switches/crossings depending on the direction. This also determined the development of the network for like 15 years: switches were avoided wherever possible, causing no flexibility in the system and extreme long runs from/to the depots. These days it's fortunately over, and there are some "fast" switches or crossings that can be crossed 30 kph. When I was a kid, they were just phasing out the old two-axle motors and the Tatras were brand new. I loved the UVs, especially in a set of 3, where the trailer was actually much older than the motors, wooden benches etc. When it wiggled its way through the crossover at Deák sq. full throttle and people inside were literally going side to side, that was just like roller coaster for me. :) Also when I was a kid, most HÉV trains were the same EMUs that you filmed, and that they are today. But on the southern line (today's H6) there were still regular motor+trailer trains (like the two bright green cars in this video th-cam.com/video/s-jPFtpm854/w-d-xo.html). I have very faint memories of that only. They were retired in the 90s when cuts were made to the service. --- Edit: there are some photos of the accident on Hamster's page: hampage.hu/trams/vajda.html
That is all very interesting, Thank You. To guard against trams turning the wrong way at junctions in Melbourne, all trams must stop at facing points and the driver look down to see that the point blades are correctly set. This was always the rule but more recently it seems drivers are required to obey it, and nearly all stop even if following another tram going the same way. Removing facing junctions seems a poor way to avoid the problem. That link to Hamster would not open, saying my line was not secure! My local Gold Coast line is quite new and there is a triangular junction to enter the depot from either direction. The official speed limit is 40km/h and that is the speed they go. As the line operates to railway rather then tramway rules, I suspect that there is electronic interlocking which lets this fast speed be safe. Would you like to email me using tressteleg(at)icloud.com Use the normal symbol instead of (at)
@@tressteleg1 I found a newspaper article about the accident: nepszava.hu/1044536_felborult-villamos ; also one old video about the old HÉVs still in working order th-cam.com/video/xp73DLg_LtU/w-d-xo.html . I had a look at the Melbourne system, it looks very interesting. Indeed there are many "parallel" types, like the Z and the Tatra (both based on PCC design i guess), or the Combinos, or the Flexity that resembles our new Urbos, the B is quite like our TW6000 light rail car. You have no match for Ganz articulated however :) . I think in Budapest the only "full-speed" crossover with true signalling is the terminus of line 1 at Vörösvári út. Regarding the removing of the junctions: this was part of more general conceptual changes in the organization of public transport in Budapest (and Hungary). By the sixties the network was extremely obsolete and dilapitated, with all the 80-year-old two-axle trams, one-track lines with sidings etc.. At the end of the 70 big changes were to come: the less used lines were replaced by buses, the busiest ones by the metro. The remaining old stock was phased out or modernized. But the whole system was optimized on capacity and speed, and not directly for comfort. The complex overlapping system of lines were cut up, simplified to trunk lines and feeders, even the bus lines. This is why you had to transfer on Moszkva ter between trams, or why 17 was separated from the rest of the network. But one also had to transfer coming from the suburbs, at the center of the given area/district ("decentrum"), from a local bus line to the express bus that took one to the center - or to the Metro. As you also noticed, any one line was served with a single type of rolling stock, to provide uniform capacity, acceleration etc. and prevent pile-up. By the end of the 80s this resulted in a very robust, easily organized system that was one of the most effective in the world (that time) - with the drawback that one had to change time-to-time. But there were not many cars to compete with, so it was just OK. Then in the 90s everything changed. The city filled up with cars, public transport also slowed down, and serious cuts had to be made in the service. Basically the previous advantage was lost. On the other hand, the value of direct connections became higher. So from the 2000s slowly we are building back (some of) the missing connections. The first one was to connect 13 and 62 on Örs Vezér Tere (you feature both in your video). Line 17 now runs again from the northern to the southern edge of the city, merging with 4-6 for two stops. (4-6 move 10000 people in one direction in a peak hour. For a long time it was untouchable so it was a big breakthrough). And 41, that had been cut back to the southern part of the city so that it only served as a feeder for 47 and moved very few passengers, now goes all the way to the north to Vörösvári as well, along the Danube partly on a new right-of-way above the HÉV tunnel. But there are many things to do, and there is debate about building back missing sections above the metro, so let's see.... I'm going to drop you a mail.
Thanks for the newspaper article. The photo shows the tram quite smashed up. I also watched the HEV video. I see that those trains look a bit older than some of the others. I took video of no other trains in 1989 but may have done so in 1991 and 1992. I will check those tapes when I get time. Melbourne’s Z1 and Z2 class is not PCC technology at all. It is Swedish technology based on electronically controlled electromechanical contactors. I thought they were the best fun to drive! They are all out of service now. The Z3 and A class and all newer are chopper control of Duwag or other origin. The Combinos are basically off-the-shelf from Siemens no matter where you go in the world. The E class are built by Bombardier Melbourne and are unusual in that the body is locally designed and built and the bogies rotate unlike most other low floor trams. I found your historical information on Budapest to be quite interesting. I rode the TW6000 in Hannover mid1975 when they were absolutely brand-new. They were certainly in a striking shade of green! As you will have seen, route 1 did not extend very far but I seem to recall reading that in fact it was the rebuilding of a line which was closed some years earlier. I see that it now extends all the way around into Buda. You make mention of some lines being built again above the metros. Often trams are more convenient because Metro stops can be a long way apart but tram stops are much more frequent so there can be less distance to walk. I see the sense in using one tram type on each line but for me exploring Budapest for the first time, there was a certain excitement wondering what type of rolling stock would be on the next line that I decided to ride. As a visitor, one may not often see the shortcomings which a regular rider would have to put up with but when I visited the 36 which only ran every 20 minutes, I was met with a gap in the service, something which happened in Melbourne sometimes when there was a shortage of trams or drivers. You will see that 36 is visited in part 2. It appears to have completely closed, or was it extended and became some other route? In a city with single ride tickets, by keeping the lines short and making it necessary to change trams once or twice in your journey, they get two or 3 fares for one ride. Anyway it’s all very interesting and I appreciate you making the effort. I guess you have my email by now.
😊. For sound comparisons rather than the view, you might like to watch and listen to a bit of this Melbourne Z1 class. Ride on Z1 95, St Kilda to Kew th-cam.com/video/Y-8P9zhNO8E/w-d-xo.html
Budapest trams in 1989 must have been very different from yours, and I just loved your approach to the subject. Knowing the business but not judgemental. Also, I was 15 years old at the time, and a LOT has changed since. Some scenes were cringy to watch, others brought fond memories back.
I am happy that you enjoyed it. As a visitors spending just three days there, it’s impossible to know how the locals viewed the Tramway but the point was that services seemed quite frequent, and on the lines I rode the speeds were nice and fast. You can’t ask for much more than that. The UV trams certainly had character, a quality I like about trams even if the maximum speed was not especially fast. So to my eyes, there was little to complain about with the Tramway and it was doing its best with what it had. I can’t think of what you would find ‘cringy’. There are not many tramways in the world I would rate as being exciting, but Budapest certainly is one of them, or at least it was when I was there.
Thanks for a look at history, at a time when that part of the world was about to undergo so many changes. My only regret is that the video of the time didn't have the great resolution of today's HD. Such is progress!
@@tressteleg1 No criticism was meant - hope you didn't take it that way. By the way, the communist-era cars in so many of the pictures would make a study in themselves, in my opinion. These days the road traffic in ex-communist countries looks just lie ours.
No, I know what you intended. Not like some fool some years ago who demanded to know why I did not use technology that never existed then. And Hungarians absolutely hated the USSR. All those satellites were supposed to buy their trams from Tatra. So it is remarkable that they ignored the direction and built their own trams which you see in this video. However the newest cars were Tatra products which look nothing like the standard Tatras which was probably Hungary’s way of forcefully complying without looking like they had done so.
Thanks for your kind words. There is a couple of other Budapest videos which I have on TH-cam and you should find them here- Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
Great video of hungry my old country in the mid seventies to film and be caught you would have been arrested for spying and interragated , but there was great change after this time but you can see that people were still wary of you filming . bloody great video.
I guess the fact that Hungary was on the Eurail pass indicated that the place was open to tourists even if still basically under Communist control. And fortunately nobody ever asked me what I was doing or tried to stop me from videoing whatever I wanted. I really should have given myself an extra couple of days there. I seem to be the only one who captured these unique days and am delighted that so many people are enjoying it.
How can we support You for this to continue? :) Excellent work, I am very happy, that You did not forget, what you had recorded 31 years ago... I hope that "cloud" records made in these years will be available 31 years later as well...
Sydney trams first caught my attention when I was younger than five years old. I was shopping with my mother and a works tram came along and shunted at a crossover and went back in the opposite direction. The trolley pole came off the wire on the crossover. My interest has never waned and fortunately spreads to trams in any country.
At 27:47 the Trabant going with 70km/h cant overtake the tram :D Good old days when the trams didnt have any tachographs... Now the conductors barely floor it to 50. Some drivers wont even go 50. Times have changed.
I did not think that a Trabi could go as fast as 70 km/h! From what you say, it seems as though the health and safety zealots have invited Budapest the same as they have invaded so many other places, essentially cutting the speeds because they don’t trust the drivers to go at faster speeds when it is safe to do so. Such a pity. I really liked the fast Budapest tram system.
@@tressteleg1 Sorry for late reply! Well now tram drivers really take it easy. The company itself checks their speeds. Also they have tachographs. With old trams though the UV trams. You really experience how the tram system was in reality. The part about the Trabi i mentioned, the max speed for cars at that area is 70. My father used to go to work on that line back and forth. He said some conductors took over cars. Like legit overpassing the car traffic at 70km/h. It was truly a rapid system. Now its just literally staggering along with 45-50km/h... such a shame. Really hope on closed tracks they ultilize the dutch system and just make trams go 70 again.
That is a pity about Budapest. Although the state governments own Australian tramways, their operations were handed over to private contractors. Certainly in Melbourne, there is a system of bonus payments for running on time and fines for running early or late. To avoid the fines, the company has made the timetables slower to make it easier to get a bonus payment. So the trams just jog along and journeys are slower than ever. Of course the big loser is the passenger as it takes longer to get to the destination. Also there is no traffic light priority for Melbourne trams. When I was a Melbourne driver, we left the terminus on time and when we got to the other end, early or late, there was no problem.
Please go on with uploading the next part. I don't know what your definition of enough interest is, I've already shared this video with someone who hasn't even been to Budapest :)
There has been a lot more interest in this video than I expected so at present I am working on part 2. I also took some video on my later trips in 1991 and 1992 and there may be enough to upload further videos in the future. I also visited the three Tramway towns so maybe they will be published one day. It’s just a pity that the average viewer time is less than six minutes.
@@tressteleg1 Wow! That would be an additional treat. I was thinking whether you had visited Móricz Zsigmond Körtér (circus)- the other terminus of 6. I know that there used to be some sweet loops there as well, and same goes about Keleti Railway Station. The latter I have seen as they were still physically existing albeit out of operation when I first came to Budapest 16 years ago.
I am pleased that you have got great pleasure from this video, and maybe you have found Part 2. Hopefully you will enjoy this 1991 Video also 😊 Budapest Trams & HÉV 1991 Part 1 th-cam.com/video/WqzDe1S-v78/w-d-xo.html
@@tressteleg1 Yeah i find them too. but this was the best. especially the outer "suburban" parts ot the city ("Örs Vezér Tere" and all of "pesterzsébet").. :)
@@tressteleg1 There are many tram lines that have already been shut down or are going in a different direction, it was a real treasure. Unfortunately, there is no railway transport in Kőbánya Hízlaló. But it was an experience to see it on video. Thanks.
I know that there have been changes in Budapest and not all those lines are still running. You will find more of my videos in this link, if you have not already seen them. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
04:40 Nearby transmitter: Széchenyi hegy main TV transmitter, Hungarian Television channel 1 and 2 ( MTV 1, MTV 2) VHF 1 ( Oirt 1) and UHF 47 channel. Since 2013 only transmit DVB-T signals analogue tv broadcast end 2013.07.31 ( western side the country) and 2013.10.31 ( eastern side the country )
That would certainly explain the camera interference. The same thing happened on the Eiffel Tower in Paris. The last analogue TV was also switched off in Australia in 2013.
Great! A driver of any kind from Hungary could ot have done the reverse at that time. Pest does not sound like a pesticide, but s is for 'sugar';). Thank you.
The East German embassy in Melbourne would not give me a Visa but Hungary was now on the Eurail pass so that’s where I went. I am delighted that this happened! Budapest is much more interesting!
Well, not exactly. The trams were built in the age of the dualism (Austria-Hungary) when the Hungarian part (+Croatia) was governed completely separately from the Austrian (+Czechia, Galicia, Bosnia...) part, except for foreign affairs, global economy and defense matters. And the lines were built by private companies. In an era when the Hungarian economy was racing much faster than the empire in global. Actually, electric trams in Budapest preceeded Vienna's by about a decade. ... What you say is like stating that Melbourne trams were built by Queen Victoria of the UK.
It's crazy to think I could be on one of these trams as I rode on them daily in the 80's.
Maybe… You never know!
Outstanding video, thanks very much for uploading. I was in Year 12 in Melbourne that year, and my weekend entertainment included exploring the Melbourne network, so I probably saw you at some point! For family history reasons, I spent two weeks in Budapest in 2018, and their modern urban transport system is the best I’ve ever experienced, even if it has lost some of the charm of what we see here. During those weeks, I spent around four hours a day on the trams and metro, a tram fan’s dream! Seeing Széll Kálmán tér in its previous form as Moszkva tér really sums up how the city has changed from a grey Communist capital to a bright and flashy money-driven tourist destination. I appreciate the time you take to share these films, thank you.
Your kind words are appreciated. I don’t know what I expected when I first went to Budapest when it was still barely out of the clutches of Communist control but I certainly ranked the Tramway operation rather highly. While some lines have closed then since then, New trams have since entered service. As for Melbourne, I drove from South Melbourne 1988 to 1994 and mostly did the late shift starting between 3 pm and 4 pm. By that time of day, most tram fans would have given up for the day. I have done two further videos of Budapest which you may have missed but you should easily find them through this link. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
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Ez egy igazi kordokumentum. Köszönjük!
😊👍 I am working on Budapest 1991 Part 2 just now!
Absolutely fascinating. Such a vibrant city and trams everywhere! Trabants, Dacias, Wartburgs and Skodas in abundance too. Part 2 please 😊.
Yes it is quite remarkable but Moskva tér for example has lost all its loops. Old trams are gone. Part 2 is in preparation. You may be interested in the comments by comandanteej a bit further down this page. He is helping with part 2.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you, I read the very interesting comments from comandanteej and your replies. Lots of other enthusiastic replies too.
For an overseas Tramway, this is going much better than I would have ever expected 😊😊
Brilliant! Thanks for uploading, look forward to part 2!
😊👍. The number of views so far, considering it is not yet Public on TH-cam, seems to suggest that there will be enough views to make part 2 worth my trouble to prepare. But it may be a few weeks yet.
Thanks for the upload. It is incredible to see 45 minutes of our trams from the year following the year I was born. Incredible to see those places I know and I like as a tram fan, and see your video from the same spots - just from 30 years earlier. My favourite part was Moskva square - at this time the looping tracks all around the square were in use. After the latest renovation of the square the last, unused but remained inside loop had to go, and now we have single track connections and 4-6 trams just change direction at their terminus instead of snaking around.
I am delighted that you and other tram fans have enjoyed this video. Certainly Moskva square was a unique terminus with so many trams moving all the time. I checked Google Earth several days ago and saw that there were no more loops which might be more efficient but is less interesting. Maybe there will be more surprises in Part 2 which is also over 40 minutes long.
@@tressteleg1 As far as I know it was built like this because of the previous generation of our trams you filmed. They were single, two-axle cars, many of the reworked in different ways, so even trams of same type could have looked differently and they pulled non-powered two-axle cars as well. For these loops were the easy solution to turn back, so many junctions and terminuses inherited the loops. The Tatra T5c5 type trams you called when filming the terminus at "Élmunkás square" are nowadays operated with the "B-ends" (backs) to each other (B-B coupling), but on line 59 they ran also with A-B coupling, with no driver's cab at the end. On daily peak demand two of them ran with A-B coupling, between peaks only one car ran. The tram line 59 still have loops at both terminus, and we have some other loops remained from the past.
I'm waiting for your next video. 1989 was a loong, loong time ago, but if you ever decide to come back to Budapest one more time a dozen of dozens of tram fans would guide you through :)
@@AshiValkoinen Of course when a four wheel motor pulls a four wheel trailer or two, a balloon loop at the terminus is the easy way to go. But with the arrival of new double ended trams, or at least pairs of single ended trams back to back, the need for loops was gone.
Thanks for the update on how the trams are coupled these days. Do any lines still use three car sets of Tatras ? I suppose the new longer trams run on those lines now. One feature of communism is that not so many people could obtain motor vehicles so they had to use public transport but when private cars became more available, the need for public transport was less. The same thing happened in western countries - the USA in the 1930s and 1940s and other countries like Australia between about 1950 and 1970 although the closure of most of our tramways hastened the change to private motor cars because people did not like the replacement buses.
I took several scenes at and near the terminus of the 59 which was the end of part 2.
I don’t think that another trip to Europe is very likely for me but it would be great to meet the local Budapest tram fans if I did return.
By the way, did you have much trouble understanding my voice? I suppose you realise that my comments were for friends back in Australia and when the tape was made, there was not even a faintest dream that something like TH-cam could ever exist.
@@tressteleg1 Line 1 and 14 still use three car sets of Tatras, but Line 1 has also 56-meters long CAF trams, and 54-metes long Combinos on weekends.
That is good to hear. Those three car sets certainly look impressive. It’s a pity that Melbourne does not couple its A class trams which are really quite small operating alone. I wonder whether those CAF or Conbino trams will provide 50+ years of service like the trusty UV cars did?
Wow... Thanks so much for recording and uploading this! I was born in Budapest in 87 but ended up living most of my life in Germany, only returning during school holidays. I had a keen interest in public transport, especially anything rail-related, so my grandmother and I would always go on extended tours of the system, since young children and pensioners rode for free. I'd look up a tram line on the map that we never rode before, we'd go there, and then ride it terminus to terminus and back. It was a very enjoyable pastime, but due to a lack of photo gear, I only have a precious handful of images from the year 2000. Seeing all this footage, it's just so completely fascinating to me. I just love the sights of how Moszkva Tér used to look, and how it changed towards the 90s. The long gone reversing loop on the 17, just so many details that have disappeared completely over the course of history. I very much enjoy your commentary about the fares and such, just really puts things into perspective. So hard to imagine something costing just a few Forint rather than hundreds and thousands as it became common. Hell, even seing all those IFAs and Trabants, even rarer (because worse quality) Dacias out and about everywhere. Everything just looked so different back then. Thanks so much for this little time-travel, including that beautiful contactor-clicking on the UV. :)
I’m very pleased that I have been able to take you back to your youngest days in Budapest. I have read other comments before that my videos show things that they only ever saw in black-and-white photographs, so I guess I was in the right place at the right time with the right equipment which few other rail fans had then. I don’t know that I had any particular expectations before I went to Hungary but was very favourably impressed by the efficient way the Tramway was run with track and tramcars in quite good condition. And Moszkva Tér was unique on my first visit when it had several balloon loops for turning trams, later no longer necessary with double ended trams and no trailers. I’m pleased that my Australian English could be understood by you. Electrical equipment also interests me, and that’s why I made sure to get some of the contactor noise.
You did not say what part of Germany you were in, but at the moment I am working on Berlin in 1991 and 1992. Tonight I sent the link to a friend to help with locations. I’m sure you also will see a lot of Trabants other ‘old junk’ running around the streets in it.
To help locate other Budapest videos I have made, I will post the link separately.
@@tressteleg1 I think that was the most intriguing part for me, seeing Moszkva with the loops still in place and in use. By the time I was old enough to actually remember the wold around me, it struck me as odd how some rails seemed to be somewhat forlorn and arbitrarily blocked by buffers once the large loop for the lines 4 and 6 was no longer present. It goes without saying that the current appearance of the square is yet again different to the one from my 90s childhood. It's interesting to note that everything looked a bit "better" when you recorded it, which was followed by an era of decline in the 90s, caused by graffiti and vandalism, not to mention a severe lack of funds. Thankfully, things have greatly improved in the last decade or two.
I spent most of my life in Leverkusen, so there wasn't much rail-related public transit nearby. x) In the late 2000s, I started going to university and had to commute by train, which kicked off an interest in railways and photography that lasted for a few years and produced some nice-ish photos.
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Someone commented some months ago that a major reason for removing the Moszkva loops was that the rails wore out very quickly and needed a lot of attention. You will see the men welding the tracks on a loop in one of my videos.
With all the information you are providing, I am saving the email versions of your comments and putting them with the file containing the Budapest videos. Thanks.
By the way, I suppose you know the meaning of ‘Shenanigans’ in English 😊😄
@@tressteleg1 Yeah, I think they were absolutely right about that. The main problems were the crossovers, like the one from your video, that took quite a pounding on this heavily used route, the nagykörut (grand boulevard) lines 4 and 6 ran extremely frequently. More civilized places realized that one can build switches where the groove rises to allow the wheels to ride through on their flange eliminating virtually all noise. Sadly this wasn't a thing in Hungary for many more years to come, so people living in such places had to deal with trams making their saucers rattle. x)
And yeah, I know the meaning, my username was a spontaneous idea years back, and I just stuck to it... x)
I have to disagree with you about ramped flangeways through frogs. Melbourne does that and they throw the trams around are noisy, and are subject to a 15km/h speed limit, not that all drivers take much notice of that. My local line frogs are not ramped and trams sail through at 40km/h with just a click click. Narrowing the flangeways would probably help a lot. Melbourne did have a few unramped frogs which seemed to give no trouble, but eventually disappeared in track renewals.
Unfortunately TH-cam stuff up occasionally and your comment about the 69 was partly visible but it ‘could not be found’ when I tried to open it to read and reply.
Generally right wing governments here are disinterested in public transport. They think only people who would vote for the Opposition would use it, so they could not care less, although sometimes they have to pretend to support public transport a little bit. It is not just Hungary with the RW problem.
At 21:20 the depo is not the "Angyalföld" one, but the "Óbuda", which is closed since 1996.
Thanks. I can’t change the video but I will put a note. I just had to guess from the information I had and my 2 checkers did not have time to watch it all again looking for this bit which I added.
The halls are still there, empty
I guess they will be removed or used for something one day when the land is needed...
Amazing video, Thank you so much. Good to see the places where I grew up. @12:58 in Moscow square almost all tram had a terminus there, for route: 4, 6, 56, 61. Route 18 passed through the square. I don't really remember if 58 was still there. Still route 4 and 6 is one of the busiest tram line in the world. OMG lots of things changed in the past 30 years. now most of the line are convereted cross-town lines either on Buda or Pest side.
I am pleased that you have enjoyed it so much, and it shows the trams of your city over 30 years ago. Apparently Moscow Square loops were removed shortly after this because the single ended tram - trains were all gone and terminating trams could change ends. Apparently rail wear on the curves was a problem.
It's fantastic; in '89 there is a tramway driver in Melbourne, who one day morning getting up and he finds out, that he wants to travel to Hungary ,to Budapest to look after, how does it works at BKV! And what's next; would you want to make a 30 Years after movie? And what about Miskolc, Debrecen, Szeged, cause in those towns are also have own transport companies , which operates plenty of tram lines. Well done, after this COVID madness, Hungarian trams are waiting for You!
I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. In fact I did visit the three other Tramway towns you mention and on a later visit, there is a video of me driving a tram in Szeged for about 1 km, stopping to let passengers on and off from the last passing loop to the terminus. That was fun! Maybe I will post that one day. Unfortunately I don’t think I will get back to Europe again.
Fantastic footage! A lot of effort went into this video, the descriptions are accurate and interesting.
Brought back memories from my childhood - loops on Moszkva sq., UV tramcars, and the colors that are slightly different! All those Eastern-block cars... Neon signs long gone... Also got to see parts of the city i didn't go that time. It's amazing to see how dynamically trams go through points and crossings. (This was two years before a serious accident.)
Waiting for part 2 definitely! (And hope for more downtown Pest footage - or maybe old stock on the southern HÉV lines, who knows :) ).
Only one little thing: at 8:20 the cog train is coming down the hill, towards the Terminus.
I am pleased that you enjoyed it. Only recently did I realise that I have something that is pretty rare on TH-cam. It took quite a few hours over several days to work out locations from the maps from those days and also add in the extra information from my two helpers. What was the serious accident? By any chance were points set the wrong way and 2 trams hit head-on at a junction? I did not take much video in the city centre and found the UV and Tatra Trams the most interesting so concentrated on those. I don’t think there is much more HÉV but may have something from two later trips which I have not even looked at yet.
The 730 views is a lot more than I expected considering that it has not been released to the public on TH-cam yet, so part 2 will be completed sometime in coming weeks.
@@tressteleg1 That accident happened here: goo.gl/maps/wCJWkDBgAGRiZbVP6 , at the former junction of lines 23 and 24. (While 24 still exists, most of 23 became part of the southern part of 1, and the tracks in Vajda Péter st. don't exist anymore.) The story in short: Tram 24 was supposed to continue on the tracks straight ahead. The track was in bad condition and the switch was either set to diverging to the left, or it opened under a (Ganz) tram. It was speeding 40+ kph, and tipped over. Several people died. Ever since then, speed is strictly monitored. The limit is 10/15 on regular switches/crossings depending on the direction. This also determined the development of the network for like 15 years: switches were avoided wherever possible, causing no flexibility in the system and extreme long runs from/to the depots. These days it's fortunately over, and there are some "fast" switches or crossings that can be crossed 30 kph.
When I was a kid, they were just phasing out the old two-axle motors and the Tatras were brand new. I loved the UVs, especially in a set of 3, where the trailer was actually much older than the motors, wooden benches etc. When it wiggled its way through the crossover at Deák sq. full throttle and people inside were literally going side to side, that was just like roller coaster for me. :)
Also when I was a kid, most HÉV trains were the same EMUs that you filmed, and that they are today. But on the southern line (today's H6) there were still regular motor+trailer trains (like the two bright green cars in this video th-cam.com/video/s-jPFtpm854/w-d-xo.html). I have very faint memories of that only. They were retired in the 90s when cuts were made to the service.
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Edit: there are some photos of the accident on Hamster's page: hampage.hu/trams/vajda.html
That is all very interesting, Thank You. To guard against trams turning the wrong way at junctions in Melbourne, all trams must stop at facing points and the driver look down to see that the point blades are correctly set. This was always the rule but more recently it seems drivers are required to obey it, and nearly all stop even if following another tram going the same way. Removing facing junctions seems a poor way to avoid the problem.
That link to Hamster would not open, saying my line was not secure!
My local Gold Coast line is quite new and there is a triangular junction to enter the depot from either direction. The official speed limit is 40km/h and that is the speed they go. As the line operates to railway rather then tramway rules, I suspect that there is electronic interlocking which lets this fast speed be safe. Would you like to email me using
tressteleg(at)icloud.com
Use the normal symbol instead of (at)
@@tressteleg1 I found a newspaper article about the accident: nepszava.hu/1044536_felborult-villamos ; also one old video about the old HÉVs still in working order th-cam.com/video/xp73DLg_LtU/w-d-xo.html .
I had a look at the Melbourne system, it looks very interesting. Indeed there are many "parallel" types, like the Z and the Tatra (both based on PCC design i guess), or the Combinos, or the Flexity that resembles our new Urbos, the B is quite like our TW6000 light rail car. You have no match for Ganz articulated however :) .
I think in Budapest the only "full-speed" crossover with true signalling is the terminus of line 1 at Vörösvári út.
Regarding the removing of the junctions: this was part of more general conceptual changes in the organization of public transport in Budapest (and Hungary). By the sixties the network was extremely obsolete and dilapitated, with all the 80-year-old two-axle trams, one-track lines with sidings etc.. At the end of the 70 big changes were to come: the less used lines were replaced by buses, the busiest ones by the metro. The remaining old stock was phased out or modernized. But the whole system was optimized on capacity and speed, and not directly for comfort. The complex overlapping system of lines were cut up, simplified to trunk lines and feeders, even the bus lines. This is why you had to transfer on Moszkva ter between trams, or why 17 was separated from the rest of the network. But one also had to transfer coming from the suburbs, at the center of the given area/district ("decentrum"), from a local bus line to the express bus that took one to the center - or to the Metro. As you also noticed, any one line was served with a single type of rolling stock, to provide uniform capacity, acceleration etc. and prevent pile-up. By the end of the 80s this resulted in a very robust, easily organized system that was one of the most effective in the world (that time) - with the drawback that one had to change time-to-time. But there were not many cars to compete with, so it was just OK.
Then in the 90s everything changed. The city filled up with cars, public transport also slowed down, and serious cuts had to be made in the service. Basically the previous advantage was lost. On the other hand, the value of direct connections became higher. So from the 2000s slowly we are building back (some of) the missing connections. The first one was to connect 13 and 62 on Örs Vezér Tere (you feature both in your video). Line 17 now runs again from the northern to the southern edge of the city, merging with 4-6 for two stops. (4-6 move 10000 people in one direction in a peak hour. For a long time it was untouchable so it was a big breakthrough). And 41, that had been cut back to the southern part of the city so that it only served as a feeder for 47 and moved very few passengers, now goes all the way to the north to Vörösvári as well, along the Danube partly on a new right-of-way above the HÉV tunnel. But there are many things to do, and there is debate about building back missing sections above the metro, so let's see....
I'm going to drop you a mail.
Thanks for the newspaper article. The photo shows the tram quite smashed up. I also watched the HEV video. I see that those trains look a bit older than some of the others. I took video of no other trains in 1989 but may have done so in 1991 and 1992. I will check those tapes when I get time.
Melbourne’s Z1 and Z2 class is not PCC technology at all. It is Swedish technology based on electronically controlled electromechanical contactors. I thought they were the best fun to drive! They are all out of service now. The Z3 and A class and all newer are chopper control of Duwag or other origin. The Combinos are basically off-the-shelf from Siemens no matter where you go in the world. The E class are built by Bombardier Melbourne and are unusual in that the body is locally designed and built and the bogies rotate unlike most other low floor trams.
I found your historical information on Budapest to be quite interesting. I rode the TW6000 in Hannover mid1975 when they were absolutely brand-new. They were certainly in a striking shade of green!
As you will have seen, route 1 did not extend very far but I seem to recall reading that in fact it was the rebuilding of a line which was closed some years earlier. I see that it now extends all the way around into Buda. You make mention of some lines being built again above the metros. Often trams are more convenient because Metro stops can be a long way apart but tram stops are much more frequent so there can be less distance to walk.
I see the sense in using one tram type on each line but for me exploring Budapest for the first time, there was a certain excitement wondering what type of rolling stock would be on the next line that I decided to ride. As a visitor, one may not often see the shortcomings which a regular rider would have to put up with but when I visited the 36 which only ran every 20 minutes, I was met with a gap in the service, something which happened in Melbourne sometimes when there was a shortage of trams or drivers. You will see that 36 is visited in part 2. It appears to have completely closed, or was it extended and became some other route? In a city with single ride tickets, by keeping the lines short and making it necessary to change trams once or twice in your journey, they get two or 3 fares for one ride.
Anyway it’s all very interesting and I appreciate you making the effort. I guess you have my email by now.
TH-cam interpreting the screech of the UV tram as music was hilarous!
😊. For sound comparisons rather than the view, you might like to watch and listen to a bit of this Melbourne Z1 class.
Ride on Z1 95, St Kilda to Kew
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22:00 _up_ to the bridge, but thank's very much for taking and sharing this video ; )
Budapest trams in 1989 must have been very different from yours, and I just loved your approach to the subject. Knowing the business but not judgemental. Also, I was 15 years old at the time, and a LOT has changed since. Some scenes were cringy to watch, others brought fond memories back.
I am happy that you enjoyed it. As a visitors spending just three days there, it’s impossible to know how the locals viewed the Tramway but the point was that services seemed quite frequent, and on the lines I rode the speeds were nice and fast. You can’t ask for much more than that. The UV trams certainly had character, a quality I like about trams even if the maximum speed was not especially fast. So to my eyes, there was little to complain about with the Tramway and it was doing its best with what it had. I can’t think of what you would find ‘cringy’.
There are not many tramways in the world I would rate as being exciting, but Budapest certainly is one of them, or at least it was when I was there.
Thanks for a look at history, at a time when that part of the world was about to undergo so many changes. My only regret is that the video of the time didn't have the great resolution of today's HD. Such is progress!
At that time the camera was state of the art. Too bad clarity was not better, but at least the concept was available.
@@tressteleg1 No criticism was meant - hope you didn't take it that way. By the way, the communist-era cars in so many of the pictures would make a study in themselves, in my opinion. These days the road traffic in ex-communist countries looks just lie ours.
No, I know what you intended. Not like some fool some years ago who demanded to know why I did not use technology that never existed then. And Hungarians absolutely hated the USSR. All those satellites were supposed to buy their trams from Tatra. So it is remarkable that they ignored the direction and built their own trams which you see in this video. However the newest cars were Tatra products which look nothing like the standard Tatras which was probably Hungary’s way of forcefully complying without looking like they had done so.
Pretty good documentary of the late 80's Budapest's trams! 👍 Well done, sir. 😏
(I was born in Budapest, so I know the city well.)
Thanks for your kind words. There is a couple of other Budapest videos which I have on TH-cam and you should find them here-
Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
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@@tressteleg1 Thanks. ☺
Great video of hungry my old country in the mid seventies to film and be caught you would have been arrested for spying and interragated , but there was great change after this time but you can see that people were still wary of you filming . bloody great video.
I guess the fact that Hungary was on the Eurail pass indicated that the place was open to tourists even if still basically under Communist control. And fortunately nobody ever asked me what I was doing or tried to stop me from videoing whatever I wanted. I really should have given myself an extra couple of days there. I seem to be the only one who captured these unique days and am delighted that so many people are enjoying it.
Just watched till the caption in the end - yes, there is interest for the 2nd part! - and many many thanks
I guess there is some work ahead for me 😊👍
How can we support You for this to continue? :)
Excellent work, I am very happy, that You did not forget, what you had recorded 31 years ago... I hope that "cloud" records made in these years will be available 31 years later as well...
Thank you so much for sharing!
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that's exactly how I remember to Budapest...I was 15
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Oh, when I was a teen boy. :-) Thanks for uploading.
😊👍 Several other guys have said the same thing as you. Must be a popular age to be a tram fan in Budapest!
@@tressteleg1 Any age is perfect to be a tram fan :)
Sydney trams first caught my attention when I was younger than five years old. I was shopping with my mother and a works tram came along and shunted at a crossover and went back in the opposite direction. The trolley pole came off the wire on the crossover. My interest has never waned and fortunately spreads to trams in any country.
At 27:47 the Trabant going with 70km/h cant overtake the tram :D Good old days when the trams didnt have any tachographs... Now the conductors barely floor it to 50. Some drivers wont even go 50. Times have changed.
I did not think that a Trabi could go as fast as 70 km/h!
From what you say, it seems as though the health and safety zealots have invited Budapest the same as they have invaded so many other places, essentially cutting the speeds because they don’t trust the drivers to go at faster speeds when it is safe to do so. Such a pity. I really liked the fast Budapest tram system.
@@tressteleg1 Sorry for late reply! Well now tram drivers really take it easy. The company itself checks their speeds. Also they have tachographs. With old trams though the UV trams. You really experience how the tram system was in reality. The part about the Trabi i mentioned, the max speed for cars at that area is 70. My father used to go to work on that line back and forth. He said some conductors took over cars. Like legit overpassing the car traffic at 70km/h. It was truly a rapid system. Now its just literally staggering along with 45-50km/h... such a shame. Really hope on closed tracks they ultilize the dutch system and just make trams go 70 again.
That is a pity about Budapest. Although the state governments own Australian tramways, their operations were handed over to private contractors. Certainly in Melbourne, there is a system of bonus payments for running on time and fines for running early or late. To avoid the fines, the company has made the timetables slower to make it easier to get a bonus payment. So the trams just jog along and journeys are slower than ever. Of course the big loser is the passenger as it takes longer to get to the destination. Also there is no traffic light priority for Melbourne trams. When I was a Melbourne driver, we left the terminus on time and when we got to the other end, early or late, there was no problem.
YT just showed me this video, loved it!
👍😊. You will find my other Budapest videos here: Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
Please go on with uploading the next part. I don't know what your definition of enough interest is, I've already shared this video with someone who hasn't even been to Budapest :)
There has been a lot more interest in this video than I expected so at present I am working on part 2. I also took some video on my later trips in 1991 and 1992 and there may be enough to upload further videos in the future. I also visited the three Tramway towns so maybe they will be published one day. It’s just a pity that the average viewer time is less than six minutes.
@@tressteleg1 Wow! That would be an additional treat. I was thinking whether you had visited Móricz Zsigmond Körtér (circus)- the other terminus of 6. I know that there used to be some sweet loops there as well, and same goes about Keleti Railway Station. The latter I have seen as they were still physically existing albeit out of operation when I first came to Budapest 16 years ago.
That name sounds familiar and I think you will find some scenes of it here 😊
Budapest Trams 1989 Part 2
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@@tressteleg1 Thank you so much!!
Thanks for the upload, great video!
😊👍 the next Budapest video is in preparation at the moment, so look out for it in a week or two!
Ohh, my childhood's Budapest, how i miss the old cars&trucks, ohh how many times i eating hotdogs at the 13-s loop in the 90's. :)
I am pleased that you have got great pleasure from this video, and maybe you have found Part 2.
Hopefully you will enjoy this 1991 Video also 😊
Budapest Trams & HÉV 1991 Part 1
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@@tressteleg1 Yeah i find them too. but this was the best. especially the outer "suburban" parts ot the city ("Örs Vezér Tere" and all of "pesterzsébet").. :)
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20:24 Ikarus bus sound is great! :)
You heard it by chance, not planning 😀
Wow! Micsoda felvételek! 👍
👍😊. You will find more Budapest videos here. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
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Welcome!
I want to extract a snippet from the video and share it on my own channel.
A link to your video will, of course, appear.
OK if you put somewhere that it came from tressteleg1
@@tressteleg1 Naturally. That's how it works for me. Thanks
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@@tressteleg1 There are many tram lines that have already been shut down or are going in a different direction, it was a real treasure.
Unfortunately, there is no railway transport in Kőbánya Hízlaló. But it was an experience to see it on video.
Thanks.
I know that there have been changes in Budapest and not all those lines are still running. You will find more of my videos in this link, if you have not already seen them.
Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNC0_Yij1-K5sFXu_hAe5oZZ.html
💖💛💚💙💜 Tom from Hungary.
Koszonom 😊👍👍. Europe UK Trams Trains Trolleybuses
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04:40 Nearby transmitter: Széchenyi hegy main TV transmitter, Hungarian Television channel 1 and 2 ( MTV 1, MTV 2) VHF 1 ( Oirt 1) and UHF 47 channel. Since 2013 only transmit DVB-T signals analogue tv broadcast end 2013.07.31 ( western side the country) and 2013.10.31 ( eastern side the country )
That would certainly explain the camera interference. The same thing happened on the Eiffel Tower in Paris. The last analogue TV was also switched off in Australia in 2013.
MTV2 transmitted in UHF 24 channel.
Starting 2021 watching this :v
Great idea. If you have not had enough, see part two as well 😊
Great!
A driver of any kind from Hungary could ot have done the reverse at that time.
Pest does not sound like a pesticide, but s is for 'sugar';).
Thank you.
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Just how I remember it
Dude great work
Thanks. Nice to see you are watching something from overseas as well 😊
those are old trams, why did you visit Budapest?
The East German embassy in Melbourne would not give me a Visa but Hungary was now on the Eurail pass so that’s where I went. I am delighted that this happened! Budapest is much more interesting!
The trams in Budapest where bulit when the Austrian Dynastie the Habsburger rule over a lot of countries in south eastern europe.
Well, not exactly. The trams were built in the age of the dualism (Austria-Hungary) when the Hungarian part (+Croatia) was governed completely separately from the Austrian (+Czechia, Galicia, Bosnia...) part, except for foreign affairs, global economy and defense matters. And the lines were built by private companies. In an era when the Hungarian economy was racing much faster than the empire in global. Actually, electric trams in Budapest preceeded Vienna's by about a decade.
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What you say is like stating that Melbourne trams were built by Queen Victoria of the UK.
Central, not south.
26:00, 26:50 14, 12-es tábla Tátra B végében / Ziffernschild an Ende B an Tatrawagen / route number board on end B of Tatras
I did see the brackets at the back end of the Tatras, used to hold route numbers when these cars ran solo like they did on the 59, I heard.
37:51 It's at "Török Flóris utca" ;)
Thanks. I had no way of checking.
Lòng của Sunny nó mới vừa gạo gực xong vậy thế rồi thì nó có nhân thể mà gậm gực luôn không?
Your problem, not mine.
@@tressteleg1haha, anh tên là “Dũng Gạo Gực” à? Ha ha
Budapestről legalább magyarul!
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Köszönöm. 👍
és ha nem tud magyarul ????