Awesome. I remember using ARPANET in 1988.l in college. I would back my program up from one computer to another via ftp or the like. I’m glad I did because the one computer ended up crashing. Glad these guys pushed early and for non-proprietary standard. Thx for the video
Apart from these seminal standards it might be worth talking about early web standards. People forget how hard it was to get HTML, HTML I18N, HTML MIME etc. accepted by the IETF and the W3C as well.
[9:49] J Presper Eckert's comment echos the Robustness Principle in the TCP RFC: TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." I really like this principle and try to apply it in my own work. Anyway, thank you for this journey through the origins. Your videos usually introduce me to something I did not know before.
Out of Context? Many people over the years have tried to read-in to what Watson Sr actually meant, but the truth is this. That quote was made in 1943, IBM sold zero computers that year, it wasn't until the 1950's when Watson Jr was already taking control over parts of IBM, that Sr finally relented. The ABC computer was completed in 1942, it wasnt programmable, and ENIAC wouldnt see the light of day until 1946, a full 3 years later. So who made and sold 13 computers in 1943?
Thanks DJ, great vid. Anyone who loves this part of history should be sure to check out the fantastic book by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon, "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" (1998).
Wonder if they used BGP in ARPANET or was it just a layer 2 switched network. When I first started in the network field I had a task to clear out the network closets in one of our buildings and found a Kalpana switch. Never heard of that company, had to go look it up.
BGP was invented in 1989, just before the ARPANET shut down. Most likely ARPANET started out as static routes, though not sent user data with any sort of network protocol we still use today. ARPANET didn't use TCP/IP until the late 70s, and standardised on TCP/IP in January 1980. The GWINFO routing protocol was also invented in the 70s, that a predecessor to RIP routing protocol, I expect probably GWINFO and RIP were used between some ARPANET routers during its last decade or so.
LOL, I tried to leave his name out, I mean then I would have to bring up that incident about using the ARPANET for personal use to get his razor back....I just didn't want to go there oops
Two, Four, Six, Eight, Who Do We Appreciate? RFC-2468: I REMEMBER IANA (Jon Postel). And by the way, don't forget UUCPnet, DECnet, BITnet, CSnet, NFSnet...
Why do Americans say "innernet" instead of "inTernet" with a T? It sounds sloppy. Besides, it has a totally different meaning; like a local area network.
My favorite computer history and news channel. Thanks for another great video.
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Just goes to show what I know. I knew nothing about this important part of history. This video laid it all out. Thanks D.J..
Got to have mad respect for those that put this together. I somewhat know Charlie and Bill who ran the node down at LLL, both next level brilliant.
Amazing what can be built without formal requirements, just a single goal.
Awesome. I remember using ARPANET in 1988.l in college. I would back my program up from one computer to another via ftp or the like. I’m glad I did because the one computer ended up crashing. Glad these guys pushed early and for non-proprietary standard. Thx for the video
That's not ARPANET, it's just an internal network. ARPANET was nationwide between college campus' and military installations.
This is one of the richest channels I've found in the last years. So much knowledge coming from this man.
Apart from these seminal standards it might be worth talking about early web standards. People forget how hard it was to get HTML, HTML I18N, HTML MIME etc. accepted by the IETF and the W3C as well.
[9:49] J Presper Eckert's comment echos the Robustness Principle in the TCP RFC: TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." I really like this principle and try to apply it in my own work. Anyway, thank you for this journey through the origins. Your videos usually introduce me to something I did not know before.
You sound like an excellent engineer
The Watson 5 computers quote is out of context, he was talking about that year. Even then he was still wrong, IBM sold 13 computers that year.
Out of Context? Many people over the years have tried to read-in to what Watson Sr actually meant, but the truth is this. That quote was made in 1943, IBM sold zero computers that year, it wasn't until the 1950's when Watson Jr was already taking control over parts of IBM, that Sr finally relented. The ABC computer was completed in 1942, it wasnt programmable, and ENIAC wouldnt see the light of day until 1946, a full 3 years later. So who made and sold 13 computers in 1943?
Thanks for keeping the history alive!
my pleasure, Sir
Thanks again DJ👍👍
This is really interesting doc you put together!
Thanks, Brice
Thanks a bunch DJ 👍
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Thanks DJ, great vid. Anyone who loves this part of history should be sure to check out the fantastic book by Katie Hafner and Matthew Lyon, "Where Wizards Stay Up Late" (1998).
I love the intro of this video :)
Wonder if they used BGP in ARPANET or was it just a layer 2 switched network. When I first started in the network field I had a task to clear out the network closets in one of our buildings and found a Kalpana switch. Never heard of that company, had to go look it up.
BGP was invented in 1989, just before the ARPANET shut down. Most likely ARPANET started out as static routes, though not sent user data with any sort of network protocol we still use today. ARPANET didn't use TCP/IP until the late 70s, and standardised on TCP/IP in January 1980. The GWINFO routing protocol was also invented in the 70s, that a predecessor to RIP routing protocol, I expect probably GWINFO and RIP were used between some ARPANET routers during its last decade or so.
I'm impressed you managed to get through that without mentioning Len Kleinrock :)
LOL, I tried to leave his name out, I mean then I would have to bring up that incident about using the ARPANET for personal use to get his razor back....I just didn't want to go there oops
"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home"
Sure the computer is in our pokets now 😂😂
Two, Four, Six, Eight, Who Do We Appreciate? RFC-2468: I REMEMBER IANA (Jon Postel). And by the way, don't forget UUCPnet, DECnet, BITnet, CSnet, NFSnet...
LOL I remember that too,
Did you ever meet Seymour Cray?
No I never did, he came down to UIUC one weekend to deliver the 6400 and I think that weekend I went home to visit my family.
Never have more than 5 computers? LOL I have at least 5 computers in my house!
Why do Americans say "innernet" instead of "inTernet" with a T? It sounds sloppy. Besides, it has a totally different meaning; like a local area network.