It will be exactly the same as when they upgraded the A380 in Kingskerswell. Local residents kicked off, petitioned, demanded it was axed saying it would ruin their view, noise etc. Then when it was built "oh isn't it wonderful, I no longer have standing traffic outside my house for 8 hours a day, everything is so much more peaceful" - Yes they actually said that!
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@electro_sykes The tunnel is to eliminatethe road safety hazard of cars slowing down to gawk at it from what is supposed to be a main national highway.
No. Wouldn't work. A303 is used by tourists travelling to Devon and Cornwall. And they need cars to get around on holiday whilst there. They are not going to ditch the car and go by train.
People don’t want to travel by train on holiday and find they are stuck in their country cottage in the middle of nowhere. They need to take their cars with them.
I often think that for the price of HS2, many terrible lines could be upgraded up and down the country - and some old removed lines reinstated. Cheaper, less environmental cost and pollution, and might even affect more people
@@HarryInEdi a significant upgrade could have been done to the existing Chiltern Main line increasing capacity between London and Birmingham plus electrification then huge amounts spent on both the ECML and WCML to straighten out curves etc.
I remember reading a article in which a journalist was singing the praises of the view of Stonehenge as he sits in traffic and how it makes him feel like that start of his holiday. For the rest of us that live and run businesses in the area it is just about tolerable in winter and a nightmare in summer. Can't wait for it to be finished, if I live that long.
Was it in The Guardian? I think I read it, I was gobsmacked. All the journo considered were Londoners travelling to Cornwall on their hols, not the number of people killed and injured along that stretch of road each year, too many staring at Stonehenge instead of the traffic in front of them. There's often 2-3 deaths per year along there.
This was great. The A303 is one of my favourite roads and the Ilchester bypass is the most wickedly fun bit of it. I love Stonehenge, but I think arguments respecting ancient travellers' and contemporary drivers' enjoyment do not justify the bottleneck or vehicles rumbling past as in a safari park. Consider the A3 at Hindhead. Arguments might have been made for a distant origin and enjoyment of ancient and modern travellers looking at the natural wonder of the Devil's Punchbowl, yet the Hindhead tunnel bypassed that; and I imagine very few people regret it. Perhaps there should be a vote on this tunnel - those content to drive very slowly and see the stones, and those content to know that the reason for this tunnel is some ancient stuff nearby
Thanks Martina. £1.7 billion for a couple of miles of tunnel? That's crazy prices! Think of the upgrades they could do with the railways in that neck of the woods for that money!
bored tunnel as opposed to cut and cover is a much more expensive way to go about it, however it does seem like silly money to begin with - considering engineering exercises of this scale never undercut their budget but instead fly straight past it. probably just tipping over the 2 billion mark! Considering crossrail was budgeted at 14.8 but actually cost 18.8 billion, which comparatively speaking sounds like a bargain!
@@leoja4578 as well as train quantities the stations need to be in the right place too and have a reasonable direct route, this is often a major problem (often thanks to Beeching!). One example, my sister lives in crediton nr Exeter, I live near Aldershot. A quick look shows the train to Exeter takes about 4 3/4hrs! And then there's the trip to crediton. Driving to crediton takes about 3 1/2hrs, sometimes 4 if heavy traffic, if major problems maybe 4 1/2, in 15+ yrs of going there I don't think it's ever taken me 5hrs! I agree though that trains need more investment to take some of the traffic off the road, but it's not the whole answer. Btw, a clear run to crediton only takes 2 1/2hrs, but that's only happened twice AFAIR! Lol
An excellent presentation. What would be the expense and difficulty of building a 'Stonehenge Bypass' many miles away to be used as the Trunk Route, thus leaving the present road past Stonehenge with less traffic and serving local communities.??
I suspect all the people living in any proposed area would throw up even more planning complaints. The other problem is that whole area is covered with prehistoric remains. Any new route is going to disturb some of them.
Even cheaper solution. They could easily widen the A303 without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway. Just need to buy up some of that land and then you can use built one of the Carriageways on it. Then the existing road can be converted into a carriageway for the other direction.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
This video is very interesting as I always use the A303 to go from Yeovil to Winchester I always wondered how this project was going to turn out and yes its always very busy at this part of the A303 I once was in a traffic jam for 3 HOURES!!!! so hopefully this project will fix this.
I hope it goes ahead, fed up sitting in traffic seeing people not paying attention looking at a pile of rocks. If you’ve seen them once they are just the same every time you pass Tbh even if they just put screens down one side of the road it’ll be an improvement
A cheaper solution would be to make the existing carriageway one way, with two lanes, and then drill a tunnel for the other carriageway. Cheaper, as you only need to bore one tunnel, and you'd still be able to see Stonehenge from the road, albeit only from one direction.
@@marvintpandroid2213 And tunneling only in one direction wouldn't even mean that only half the traffic would be visible, as an extra lane would only open up the road to more cars which will inevitably come once there is space for more cars.
The existing road could be toll route past the stones …then build a tunnel for business people…just think of the money that toll road could make..!..our taxes were used to build the toll road…but we could sell it to private enterprise and make a fortune..and they could too..then they could drive as slow as they like ,something like a safari park cruise..maybe the lands end people could make the turnstiles pay ?
John Benjamin, poet lauriet said in his clip, Branchline Britain from the sixty that in 1970 when the roads are clogged up & everyone is flocking to the southwest people will ask how was this allowed to happen, closing down branch lines.
The problem is greater than just the single carriageway issue. While many UK drivers do not know how to merge in turn thus creating greater traffic problems, the issue is made worse by the fact that Stonehenge represents a permanent accident on the side of the road where holiday makers will rubberneck to look at the stones and sometimes take a quick photo all which makes the traffic back up even more. If the bypass is built well, it should be easy for drivers to be able to continue on the old route and enjoy the views of Stonehenge if they want without affecting commercial traffic. Each bottleneck represents a point of additional pollution as heavier vehicles have to accelerate again after each slow-down. The main reason for the cost of this bypass is that it is a government contract which traditionally will be higher cost than if it were privatised as a toll section encouraging some people to stay on the original 303 to save the toll cost. Not sure why UNESCO would remove its world heritage status if a bypass is built, that doesn't sound correct to me
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
A solution to this is 40 years overdue, it is no better now than when I used to sit in traffic in the 70's as a kid. Why is a tunnel such an issue, perfect solution to me. Can they start on the Blackdown Hills after this?
The latest statement is a bit vague on tunnel detail. Wonder if they'll offset the tunnel ends by c1km to manage the impact both of construction & of headlights in each direction. And wonder if they'll tweak the World Heritage boundary to include things found since it was drawn long ago.
build the tunnel for those needing to travel and haulage but leave the current road inplace and make it one way 20mph so it would be a single road with the other lain then used as a huge lay-by so drivers can tern off before the tunnel to still view the stones. this keeps everyone happy and far safer.
I'm no expert in this, by a long shot, but I drove this road from East to West three times at rush hour in May and every time it bottlenecked around the stones and suddenly opened up again after they were out of sight. It looked very much like a rubbernecking situation to me - the way traffic starts to move suddenly with nothing out in front and no obvious hold-up. I suggest a cheap fix of putting up some green, eye-level barriers along the carriagway to obscure the view of the rocks but still keep it natural looking. That way the road can go back to being a road and not a slow-moving observation deck for tourists.
You're spot on, however it's not always the cars that are the biggest cause of the slow-downs. Quite often it will be coaches from the cruise ships in Southampton that will slow down in the dip, even if they're going to the visitor's centre! The other problem with the fence idea (which has been suggested more than once) is that it will get damaged either by locals who don't want that either or by tourists & druids who will consider it an inconvenience to their view when they park along that road.
This road hasn’t had any upgrade or improvement in 30 years. Great to now see the works at Podimore and just hope the tunnel goes ahead this time. To any objectors I would say that they could stick a mural of Stonehenge in it in order to pacify them!
So crazy idea here, build the dual carriage way tunnel to take most of the traffic, and downgrade the surface road to a B road, so you can use it if you really want to see Stonehenge but it’s not as busy as it currently is Surely then everyone wins? But obviously that’s too sensible for a government plan
Can understand that the locals would want to keep a small road going by the Stonehenge but the main A303 road with all the traffic that just wants to pass by a tunnel sounds like the perfect solution to me instead of a dual carriage way where the current road is.. But then again this is Britain and we let the small fringe moan and moan and take legal actions to stop progress and we end up in a mess instead.
You say that but the area is of massive religious and historic significance, many people don't understand its not just the stone circle there are a lot of burial mounds all around the surrounding countryside, many sites, possible hundreds.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
@@Metis1337 I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself and its nearby historical sites, for future generations.
Why don't they just loop further out from Stonehenge with a standard dual carriageway? As Stonehenge seems to be on a slight hill it might still be seen but it would be much further away. Whilst the road would be longer surely it wouldn't be as expensive as tunnelling?
The bottle neck it will relieve will only kick the congestion down the road. It is not in the Highways England schedule to dual the carriage from Mere (Chaddenwick hill) through Chicklade to the section just past Cow Drove so the delays will be just the same if not longer in those parts . i am a HGV trunker that drives this route on a daily basis and i have spent so many hours stuck that it is quicker to go down the B3089 to Salisbury and up to Solstice Park to avoid it completely but this is not a road for these tall heavy trucks . This reroute should have happened in the 1980's and if you look at the countess roundabout it was shaped for a flyover when it was reshaped then.
I don't understand the opposition - surely a tunnel should improve the view and be better for the environment? The Hindhead Tunnel in Surrey has been quite a success with fewer accidents, smoother traffic and the Devil's Punch Bowl has been allowed to return to nature. The original road has become a walkable nature trail and the residents of Hindhead are surely relieved to not have traffic ploughing through the middle of their town.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
the other alternative is to upgrade the London Waterloo line from Basingstoke to Yeovil Junction dueling it and 3rd rail keep the old single line to Exeter with more passing loops . making people use the trains and making it cheaper would be more viable. But as A A303 user because i worked at Boscombe Down i know that the tunnel is the only option.
Constructing the tunnels will provide relief for some years, but looking further ahead when individual cars will be considered an inefficient means of transport and trains will move large numbers of people quickly, I'd also work toward upgrading the rail service.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@electro_sykes You obviously don't know the area, the land either side also contains barrows and sites of archaeological interest, the time it would take to survey, dig and analyse these would take decades.
344 removed purely for EH to make more money. Just needs another carriageway way alongside existing. Tunnel is expensive and a safety risk, only suggested so EH can stop people seeing the stones. Put a dome over it then they can make it summer solstice several times every day - and correct as built because it isnt now! Those objecting are from away from here. Protesters camp is already an eyesore, so just do something for the sanity of those who live here.
the A334 was removed to remove access to the site of the stonehenge festival site and to limit public access to the stones now you can walk around it not too close though
I heard you say your piece at the end. While the stones are largely unaffected by the 'progress' of man, you can hardly say the same about the A303, which I suspect didn't look like that hundreds or thousands of yers ago. It's amazing to think that the south West Mainline was reduced to a single track in places around there and some stations closed, with the closure of the whole thing considered even tough it was not far from this road and would no doubt remove traffic from it. Bury the road and bury the rest of them while you're there; I don't see why us civilized air-breathing, ground level wanderers soul have to breathe all those engine fumes.
So many single tracked lines that could be upgraded with minimal cost to the public purse and environment - but I think the government much prefers grand engineering projects. It’s better for growth optics.
@@HarryInEdi I think car horns and engines should be as loud in cars as outside and if that doesn't discourage people, the exhaust should be vented inside the cabin, then we'll see how much people love their cars.
@@davidhalfacre7220 Abandon the idea as we'll run out of enough Lithium to cost effectively manufacture all the cars we'll need to replace existing numbers.
@DavidKnowles0 I believe that the problem with that idea ( given British tunnel standards ) is that any longer would require a vent in the middle. It rings a faint bell: not sure but I believe thst this has been discussed over the decades.
Don't really see how a tunnel well under ground is worse than the current situation. Just build it, it's needed. What ever World Heritage says doesn't make Stonehenge any less valuable.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
While the road does narrow, a bigger problem is people driving slowly as they look at Stonehenge. A much cheaper solution would be to plant a hedge, so drivers couldn't see Stonehenge as they drive past, so wouldn't drive slowly. This idea was rejected as it was said people would still be able to see it from the top of the hill, but those people are less likely to slow down, as they can see it straight on, rather than cautiously looking to their side, as they do now. Given the cost of the tunnel, you'd think they could at least just try a temporary fence, to see if it would work.
You don't get it do you? The landscape around Stonehenge is a historical treasure. It must not be defiled by modern intrusions. That is why the A344 was removed. Visitors to Stonehenge should be able to wander all over and enjoy this landscape and not risk life and limb crossing the road, breathe traffic fumes, or be subject to the constant drone of traffic
@@rogerphelps9939 Visitors to Stonehenge are going to get very little out of walking a further 200 metres south and crossing where the road is, and being even further away. Put a hedge there, in line with the kind of thing that's been on English countryside for centuries, and it'll look fine. No visitor goes anywhere near the road currently.
@@RevStickleback Wrong. Clearly you have very little understanding of the Stonehenge environs. There is a lot of important srchaeology south of the road.
@@RevStickleback The reason for that is obvious. There is a road in the way. The Stonehenge World Heritage Site is not just the stones. It is a whole and must be treated as such. A busy trunk road has no business going across it and ruining it.
Vital road projects such as this one at Stonehenge, A417 Birdlip Bypass and the A13 Ripple Road Underpass will eventually be forced through by socio-economic realities. In any case, I think that systemic changes in planning (cutting costs and eliminating unnecessary red tape) will come to fruition once western nations realize how far they're falling behind the rest of the world. This will be especially the case in a multi-polar world that is now re-emerging. Global competition will force change IMO.
Nobody is mentioning that the problem with any tunnel is the disturbance of the ground - Stonehenge’s wider heritage site is over very very large area, full of earthworks big and small. The protesters want a deeper tunnel that starts and ends far further away.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
The reason its a bottle neck is not because the road narrows, its because of rubber neckers. You only need one driver to show his brake lights in reasonably heavy traffic and the concertina affect kicks in and the jam begins. Alas because the road is higher than Stonehenge at the eastern end you cant build a fence big enough to hide it. A tunnel is simply the only solution. More money has been wasted discussing this tunnel over the years than will be spent building it. If the gov can justify HS2 then this build should be a no brainer. Just do if ffs.
Yankee here. I think it terrible to have a major highway going past Stonehenge. Not only am I pro tunnel but I think it should be MUCH longer. Judging by the picture ( 0:59 ) of the projected tunnel it is way too short to mitigate noise and pollution from this historical site.
It's all good saying that, the trains are great themselves already, although electrification and redoubling of the line wouldn't hurt. Unfortunately, a lot of holiday traffic is generated thanks to the last mile problem: sure, the train will take you to Devon / Cornwall whatever, but now you need to get some bus or some non-existent public transport to get to your holiday cottage. Oh and what about day trips. As a single person I would like to test the ability to go to Cornwall and leave the car at home, using only public transport to reach major attractions. But do you want to do that with the screaming little ones? Don't think so
What I think is also important to consider (and I think I heard this from Paul and Rebecca Whitewick) is that with the age of the route not quite clear it may well be that stonehenge was meant to be seen and meant to be in close proximity to a road of sorts so it would be disturbing the ensemble to just go and remove the road altogether
Looking at that massive queue of cars at 00:30 ... all the people in those cars could fit on a single double decker bus. As always with traffic, the problem is not the roads but what roads are designed for
@@martinalooksatthings Sorry, I didn't provide enough clarity. My point is that a long queue of cars looks like lots of people are affected. Yet the number of people in a queue is often so small that they could fit in one bus. Thus spending billions to solve an optical illusion seems wasteful. No matter how much Highways England says this tunnel is needed, how it will solve the area's traffic and bring economic and environmental benefits.. know it is a lie. Highways England is a racket with the sole job of finding money for contractors, not for properly managing the road network
What's wrong with the underpass, no harm being done to Stonehenge itself, the so called nature people just moan for the sake of it. This bottle neck is the pain of every holiday taken down to the southwest, progress has to come and while travel expands this is a must for improvement, I have been travelling this route for 55years and its a night mare, just to go on holiday, some improvements have been made to the 303 but not enough, and not quick enough, because of certain individuals spending there time disrupting anything put forward that means progress for the marjority, only there own self interests seem to count.Let's get done, and in 10years people will wonder what all the fuss was about, remember what happened at Twyford Down and the Punch Bowl on the A3, nobody gives it a second thought now. That's Progress !
No chance. There will almost certainly be a legal challenge so the only chance would be a change in the law. So I will continue to bypass this section or travel in the middle of the night. This scheme survived Prescott's axe in the late 90s so should have been built then when the cost was a tenth of what it is now.
Absolutely excellent video as always Martina. Though please don't be pessimistic at the end and say 'no one will look at this'... your channel has grown INSANELY quickly and your recent Amsterdam video has over 100k views. Many other people (such as I) made videos pretty regularly for about 5 years with absolutely no growth or traffic!
@@martinalooksatthings A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@martinalooksatthings I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
The only way to build a cut and cover tunnel in a timely fashion would be to destroy the archaeology that’s undoubtedly there. If they painstakingly catalogued everything (as they should) it would take decades! Bored tunnels going into the side of the hill at Winterborne stoke is the best option then going deep.
Just build the road, with or without tunnels. Looking back at some images, the stones have been lifted, reconstructed and restored etc. so not exactly as our ancestors left them, and I doubt much of the original landscape has survived.
Went past on Friday and back on Sunday .Terrible traffic both ways and must be a nightmare living there.I must admit running a new 2 lane carriageway next to the existing road and turning that into the new 2 lane eastern route ,with some judicious landscaping would seem to be as good as anything ,much cheaper and quicker than a tunnel?
Great video. I’m amazed National Highways haven’t proposed a massive roundabout around Stonehenge given there can’t be much money left after yet another utterly pointless re-branding exercise and one that is technically incorrect (‘National’ only applies to ‘England’). Living near the A417 ‘Missing Link’ (Cotswold escarpment) I have little faith in NH getting anything right that pays some regard to the environment.
@@911HRW well, I used to work for National Highways until last year so I do have some insight. Probably a lot more than you. So does Wales have a National Highways? Scotland? Northern Ireland? Perhaps you’re the one that needs to be educated in the geography of the United Kingdom and the logic of a UK government funded organisation describing itself as ‘national’ that only covers England.
@@911HRW I actually think you’ve mis-read what I’ve written. I’m criticising National Highways for using the word ‘national’ (see ‘technically incorrect’ above). Unless that’s what you’re challenging in which case, good luck winning that argument.
@@tasty_fish Perhaps Google what “national” means, then come back to me. I’m fact, ill save you the time. “National, relating to or typical of a whole country and its people. Last time I checked, England is a country. Think of a “national” as a person, National, someone who officially belongs to a particular country, again, England is a country. I’m guessing you were booted from them and now hold a grudge. Sad.
I am suprised that the Stop Oil Protesters havent stoppped the traffic along there. The ammount of traffic standing still on that section, pumping out all that pollution. If there was a tunnel, the air quallity in the area would improve, which would be better for everyone.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations. Or they can even toll people using the A303 to encourage use of the tunnel
Building new roads like this isn't compatible with the government's emissions targets. We should be investing in the railways instead to encourage modal shift.
I was wondering what a train line from ludgershall towards westbury would do for the traffic, but then I looked at maps and saw there was a big old military range in the way.. So I guess that's out of the question. And I guess there's already some rail closeby :v
Nope, the line from Ludgershall went to Cheltenham Spa via Marlborough, Swindon, Cricklade and Cirencester. It was closed in 1962. If you drive on the main road going through Collingbourne Ducis you can see the trackbed to your right heading northbound. As for your suggestion, the Wessex Main Line and the West of England Line has you covered.
The should have built the two way tunnel before when it was cheaper. Building infrastructure which has been carefully thought through is never a bad thing.
If they can put a tunnel under London for the Cross-rail route, without London falling into the hole. Then, it must be possible to put a tunnel under Stonhenge with any damage to this important historical landscape!
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
The budget will probably be £2 billion by today's inflationary standards, £3 billion by the time its completed if it ever gets started this year. They should get permission from the farms to just lay down new roads near it and then make it a dual carriageway. But as we've seen not only in this country, but also in America, laying down more lanes equals more traffic, thus more lanes in the future
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
Stonehenge is a very important structure. It should be moved to the N.E.C. in Birmingham for its own protection.
knock it down and then reassemble it in a park in London. Much more convenient for Tourists.
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How about regents park as a second option?
@@geoffwright9570 I was thinking across the road from Buckingham Palace so the King can see it everyday😂😂
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It will be exactly the same as when they upgraded the A380 in Kingskerswell. Local residents kicked off, petitioned, demanded it was axed saying it would ruin their view, noise etc. Then when it was built "oh isn't it wonderful, I no longer have standing traffic outside my house for 8 hours a day, everything is so much more peaceful" - Yes they actually said that!
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@electro_sykes It's all going underground where the current road is.
@@devon896 what, undergound under an empty field sounds so bizarre and stupid. Even @JayForeman would agree with this comment 😂
@@electro_sykes The tunnel is to eliminatethe road safety hazard of cars slowing down to gawk at it from what is supposed to be a main national highway.
@@davidhand312 well build it elevated then.
Should reopen and upgrade railways in the region
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I agree but that will never happen in this country.
No. Wouldn't work.
A303 is used by tourists travelling to Devon and Cornwall. And they need cars to get around on holiday whilst there. They are not going to ditch the car and go by train.
they already are, The Mid-Cornwall Metro project,
People don’t want to travel by train on holiday and find they are stuck in their country cottage in the middle of nowhere. They need to take their cars with them.
meanwhile, the west of England mainline is single tracked with passing loops between Salisbury and Exeter
You don't want to encourage improvements there, or you'll end up with HS3 from London to Plymouth!
@@AlexanderWright1wouldn’t be a bad idea tbh. London to Penzance in
@@AlexanderWright1 give give give give give give
I often think that for the price of HS2, many terrible lines could be upgraded up and down the country - and some old removed lines reinstated. Cheaper, less environmental cost and pollution, and might even affect more people
@@HarryInEdi a significant upgrade could have been done to the existing Chiltern Main line increasing capacity between London and Birmingham plus electrification then huge amounts spent on both the ECML and WCML to straighten out curves etc.
Beautifully shot as always, but the pacing on this one was really good as well, didn't feel rushed at all. Nicely done.
Make a roundabout out of it that'll cause a stir!
Love that, then negotiate down.
Like start by building a cola fire power station then end with a wind turbine
they should at least add a quick mini-stonehenge on a roundabout - missed opportunity!
I remember reading a article in which a journalist was singing the praises of the view of Stonehenge as he sits in traffic and how it makes him feel like that start of his holiday. For the rest of us that live and run businesses in the area it is just about tolerable in winter and a nightmare in summer. Can't wait for it to be finished, if I live that long.
Hear! Hear!
WCC should break it up for stone chippings and build a better road!
ha! looking at 10/15 years easy. by then it'll be scorched earth, brimstone and fire on these isles the way things seem to be going at the moment!
Was it in The Guardian? I think I read it, I was gobsmacked. All the journo considered were Londoners travelling to Cornwall on their hols, not the number of people killed and injured along that stretch of road each year, too many staring at Stonehenge instead of the traffic in front of them. There's often 2-3 deaths per year along there.
This was great. The A303 is one of my favourite roads and the Ilchester bypass is the most wickedly fun bit of it. I love Stonehenge, but I think arguments respecting ancient travellers' and contemporary drivers' enjoyment do not justify the bottleneck or vehicles rumbling past as in a safari park. Consider the A3 at Hindhead. Arguments might have been made for a distant origin and enjoyment of ancient and modern travellers looking at the natural wonder of the Devil's Punchbowl, yet the Hindhead tunnel bypassed that; and I imagine very few people regret it. Perhaps there should be a vote on this tunnel - those content to drive very slowly and see the stones, and those content to know that the reason for this tunnel is some ancient stuff nearby
I like looking at things with you Martina, thank you.
Thanks Martina. £1.7 billion for a couple of miles of tunnel? That's crazy prices! Think of the upgrades they could do with the railways in that neck of the woods for that money!
The UK has the most expensive rail tickets in Europe. None but a minority are interested in railways in the UK.
Which wouldn't fix the road traffic problem, but yea it is crazy money!
We just want more trains and we aren’t getting enough 😭
bored tunnel as opposed to cut and cover is a much more expensive way to go about it, however it does seem like silly money to begin with - considering engineering exercises of this scale never undercut their budget but instead fly straight past it. probably just tipping over the 2 billion mark! Considering crossrail was budgeted at 14.8 but actually cost 18.8 billion, which comparatively speaking sounds like a bargain!
@@leoja4578 as well as train quantities the stations need to be in the right place too and have a reasonable direct route, this is often a major problem (often thanks to Beeching!). One example, my sister lives in crediton nr Exeter, I live near Aldershot. A quick look shows the train to Exeter takes about 4 3/4hrs! And then there's the trip to crediton.
Driving to crediton takes about 3 1/2hrs, sometimes 4 if heavy traffic, if major problems maybe 4 1/2, in 15+ yrs of going there I don't think it's ever taken me 5hrs!
I agree though that trains need more investment to take some of the traffic off the road, but it's not the whole answer.
Btw, a clear run to crediton only takes 2 1/2hrs, but that's only happened twice AFAIR! Lol
Makes you wonder just what may be discovered in this new digging into old ground?
An excellent presentation.
What would be the expense and difficulty of building a 'Stonehenge Bypass' many miles away to be used as the Trunk Route, thus leaving the present road past Stonehenge with less traffic and serving local communities.??
I suspect all the people living in any proposed area would throw up even more planning complaints.
The other problem is that whole area is covered with prehistoric remains. Any new route is going to disturb some of them.
Even cheaper solution. They could easily widen the A303 without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway. Just need to buy up some of that land and then you can use built one of the Carriageways on it. Then the existing road can be converted into a carriageway for the other direction.
@@electro_sykes People probably object to that because it will increase noise notably in Stonehenge itself. Fast cars are louder than slow cars.
@@u1zha so, build sound barriers.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
This video is very interesting as I always use the A303 to go from Yeovil to Winchester I always wondered how this project was going to turn out and yes its always very busy at this part of the A303 I once was in a traffic jam for 3 HOURES!!!! so hopefully this project will fix this.
Great video. Let’s revisit this video in five years time, shall we?
Don't hold your breath.
imagine what else they could find digging out all that
Great informative video! Thanks!
I hope it goes ahead, fed up sitting in traffic seeing people not paying attention looking at a pile of rocks. If you’ve seen them once they are just the same every time you pass
Tbh even if they just put screens down one side of the road it’ll be an improvement
"Just one more lane bro"
A cheaper solution would be to make the existing carriageway one way, with two lanes, and then drill a tunnel for the other carriageway.
Cheaper, as you only need to bore one tunnel, and you'd still be able to see Stonehenge from the road, albeit only from one direction.
I like how you think
Once you have set up to dig a tunnel the added cost to cut 2 of them isnt twice the cost of digging one.
@@marvintpandroid2213but it's still more than the cost of turning the existing road in to 2 lanes one way
@@harrywood6502 True, very true but the plan is to remove all of the traffic from the landscape, not half of it
@@marvintpandroid2213 And tunneling only in one direction wouldn't even mean that only half the traffic would be visible, as an extra lane would only open up the road to more cars which will inevitably come once there is space for more cars.
Would you know if the preparatory archeological work and the changes to the local roads has started yet?
Keep the existing road for those who want to admire the view, and build the tunnel for those who don't.
The existing road could be toll route past the stones …then build a tunnel for business people…just think of the money that toll road could make..!..our taxes were used to build the toll road…but we could sell it to private enterprise and make a fortune..and they could too..then they could drive as slow as they like ,something like a safari park cruise..maybe the lands end people could make the turnstiles pay ?
John Benjamin, poet lauriet said in his clip, Branchline Britain from the sixty that in 1970 when the roads are clogged up & everyone is flocking to the southwest people will ask how was this allowed to happen, closing down branch lines.
I remember the A303 had a junction right next to Stonehenge and it was an absolute nightmare. Sat for hours in jams
Was plenty of accidents too
The problem is greater than just the single carriageway issue. While many UK drivers do not know how to merge in turn thus creating greater traffic problems, the issue is made worse by the fact that Stonehenge represents a permanent accident on the side of the road where holiday makers will rubberneck to look at the stones and sometimes take a quick photo all which makes the traffic back up even more. If the bypass is built well, it should be easy for drivers to be able to continue on the old route and enjoy the views of Stonehenge if they want without affecting commercial traffic. Each bottleneck represents a point of additional pollution as heavier vehicles have to accelerate again after each slow-down. The main reason for the cost of this bypass is that it is a government contract which traditionally will be higher cost than if it were privatised as a toll section encouraging some people to stay on the original 303 to save the toll cost. Not sure why UNESCO would remove its world heritage status if a bypass is built, that doesn't sound correct to me
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
A solution to this is 40 years overdue, it is no better now than when I used to sit in traffic in the 70's as a kid. Why is a tunnel such an issue, perfect solution to me. Can they start on the Blackdown Hills after this?
Great vid , thanks.
The latest statement is a bit vague on tunnel detail. Wonder if they'll offset the tunnel ends by c1km to manage the impact both of construction & of headlights in each direction. And wonder if they'll tweak the World Heritage boundary to include things found since it was drawn long ago.
When they build the tunnel, if they need a bit more hardcore, there's some big stones they can chop up just nearby.
That's why they built Stonehenge, their forethought was amazing.
build the tunnel for those needing to travel and haulage but leave the current road inplace and make it one way 20mph so it would be a single road with the other lain then used as a huge lay-by so drivers can tern off before the tunnel to still view the stones.
this keeps everyone happy and far safer.
I'm no expert in this, by a long shot, but I drove this road from East to West three times at rush hour in May and every time it bottlenecked around the stones and suddenly opened up again after they were out of sight. It looked very much like a rubbernecking situation to me - the way traffic starts to move suddenly with nothing out in front and no obvious hold-up. I suggest a cheap fix of putting up some green, eye-level barriers along the carriagway to obscure the view of the rocks but still keep it natural looking. That way the road can go back to being a road and not a slow-moving observation deck for tourists.
You're spot on, however it's not always the cars that are the biggest cause of the slow-downs. Quite often it will be coaches from the cruise ships in Southampton that will slow down in the dip, even if they're going to the visitor's centre! The other problem with the fence idea (which has been suggested more than once) is that it will get damaged either by locals who don't want that either or by tourists & druids who will consider it an inconvenience to their view when they park along that road.
really enjoy your videos
5:40: "I suspect that nobody will watch this video."
TH-cam algorithm: And I took that personally.
This road hasn’t had any upgrade or improvement in 30 years. Great to now see the works at Podimore and just hope the tunnel goes ahead this time. To any objectors I would say that they could stick a mural of Stonehenge in it in order to pacify them!
Why not a generous bypass? for example in the north of Salisbury.
because people north of salisbury don't want it.
@@DavidKnowles0 understandable. I hope the UK will find a solution.
So crazy idea here, build the dual carriage way tunnel to take most of the traffic, and downgrade the surface road to a B road, so you can use it if you really want to see Stonehenge but it’s not as busy as it currently is
Surely then everyone wins? But obviously that’s too sensible for a government plan
They could stick a toll on the tunnel to claw back some costs.
Thank you for the video; the script is excellent!!
Can understand that the locals would want to keep a small road going by the Stonehenge but the main A303 road with all the traffic that just wants to pass by a tunnel sounds like the perfect solution to me instead of a dual carriage way where the current road is..
But then again this is Britain and we let the small fringe moan and moan and take legal actions to stop progress and we end up in a mess instead.
You say that but the area is of massive religious and historic significance, many people don't understand its not just the stone circle there are a lot of burial mounds all around the surrounding countryside, many sites, possible hundreds.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
@@Metis1337 I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself and its nearby historical sites, for future generations.
Why don't they just loop further out from Stonehenge with a standard dual carriageway? As Stonehenge seems to be on a slight hill it might still be seen but it would be much further away. Whilst the road would be longer surely it wouldn't be as expensive as tunnelling?
The bottle neck it will relieve will only kick the congestion down the road. It is not in the Highways England schedule to dual the carriage from Mere (Chaddenwick hill) through Chicklade to the section just past Cow Drove so the delays will be just the same if not longer in those parts . i am a HGV trunker that drives this route on a daily basis and i have spent so many hours stuck that it is quicker to go down the B3089 to Salisbury and up to Solstice Park to avoid it completely but this is not a road for these tall heavy trucks .
This reroute should have happened in the 1980's and if you look at the countess roundabout it was shaped for a flyover when it was reshaped then.
I don't understand the opposition - surely a tunnel should improve the view and be better for the environment? The Hindhead Tunnel in Surrey has been quite a success with fewer accidents, smoother traffic and the Devil's Punch Bowl has been allowed to return to nature. The original road has become a walkable nature trail and the residents of Hindhead are surely relieved to not have traffic ploughing through the middle of their town.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
the other alternative is to upgrade the London Waterloo line from Basingstoke to Yeovil Junction dueling it and 3rd rail keep the old single line to Exeter with more passing loops . making people use the trains and making it cheaper would be more viable. But as A A303 user because i worked at Boscombe Down i know that the tunnel is the only option.
Dueling? ⚔️
Try DUALLING!
great video martina 👍
I just want good rail infrastructure man
Constructing the tunnels will provide relief for some years, but looking further ahead when individual cars will be considered an inefficient means of transport and trains will move large numbers of people quickly, I'd also work toward upgrading the rail service.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@electro_sykes You obviously don't know the area, the land either side also contains barrows and sites of archaeological interest, the time it would take to survey, dig and analyse these would take decades.
344 removed purely for EH to make more money.
Just needs another carriageway way alongside existing. Tunnel is expensive and a safety risk, only suggested so EH can stop people seeing the stones. Put a dome over it then they can make it summer solstice several times every day - and correct as built because it isnt now!
Those objecting are from away from here. Protesters camp is already an eyesore, so just do something for the sanity of those who live here.
the A334 was removed to remove access to the site of the stonehenge festival site and to limit public access to the stones now you can walk around it not too close though
A tunnel is the best option for traffic to flo and visitors to Stonehenge will have a tranquil experience
I heard you say your piece at the end. While the stones are largely unaffected by the 'progress' of man, you can hardly say the same about the A303, which I suspect didn't look like that hundreds or thousands of yers ago. It's amazing to think that the south West Mainline was reduced to a single track in places around there and some stations closed, with the closure of the whole thing considered even tough it was not far from this road and would no doubt remove traffic from it. Bury the road and bury the rest of them while you're there; I don't see why us civilized air-breathing, ground level wanderers soul have to breathe all those engine fumes.
So many single tracked lines that could be upgraded with minimal cost to the public purse and environment - but I think the government much prefers grand engineering projects. It’s better for growth optics.
@@HarryInEdi I think car horns and engines should be as loud in cars as outside and if that doesn't discourage people, the exhaust should be vented inside the cabin, then we'll see how much people love their cars.
@@SirKenchalotso what do you do with electric vehicles?
@@davidhalfacre7220 Abandon the idea as we'll run out of enough Lithium to cost effectively manufacture all the cars we'll need to replace existing numbers.
Time to build the tunnel and do the job properly
Yep, I think there a good argument that the tunnel is to short, extending it shouldn't add that much to the cost of the scheme.
@DavidKnowles0 I believe that the problem with that idea ( given British tunnel standards ) is that any longer would require a vent in the middle. It rings a faint bell: not sure but I believe thst this has been discussed over the decades.
Don't really see how a tunnel well under ground is worse than the current situation. Just build it, it's needed. What ever World Heritage says doesn't make Stonehenge any less valuable.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@electro_sykes its not about the land its about the landscape ...the road causes a visual pollution around the landmark
While the road does narrow, a bigger problem is people driving slowly as they look at Stonehenge. A much cheaper solution would be to plant a hedge, so drivers couldn't see Stonehenge as they drive past, so wouldn't drive slowly. This idea was rejected as it was said people would still be able to see it from the top of the hill, but those people are less likely to slow down, as they can see it straight on, rather than cautiously looking to their side, as they do now. Given the cost of the tunnel, you'd think they could at least just try a temporary fence, to see if it would work.
You don't get it do you? The landscape around Stonehenge is a historical treasure. It must not be defiled by modern intrusions. That is why the A344 was removed. Visitors to Stonehenge should be able to wander all over and enjoy this landscape and not risk life and limb crossing the road, breathe traffic fumes, or be subject to the constant drone of traffic
@@rogerphelps9939 Visitors to Stonehenge are going to get very little out of walking a further 200 metres south and crossing where the road is, and being even further away. Put a hedge there, in line with the kind of thing that's been on English countryside for centuries, and it'll look fine. No visitor goes anywhere near the road currently.
@@RevStickleback Wrong. Clearly you have very little understanding of the Stonehenge environs. There is a lot of important srchaeology south of the road.
@@rogerphelps9939 That might well be true, but (virtually) nobody goes there.
@@RevStickleback The reason for that is obvious. There is a road in the way. The Stonehenge World Heritage Site is not just the stones. It is a whole and must be treated as such. A busy trunk road has no business going across it and ruining it.
Vital road projects such as this one at Stonehenge, A417 Birdlip Bypass and the A13 Ripple Road Underpass will eventually be forced through by socio-economic realities. In any case, I think that systemic changes in planning (cutting costs and eliminating unnecessary red tape) will come to fruition once western nations realize how far they're falling behind the rest of the world. This will be especially the case in a multi-polar world that is now re-emerging. Global competition will force change IMO.
Mike Pitts, archaeologist. Brilliaint.
Should divert the A303 via Salisbury and provide a bypass for Salisbury as well. Likely cheaper than a tunnel.
That was proposed! Guess what - the rich objected.
Nobody is mentioning that the problem with any tunnel is the disturbance of the ground - Stonehenge’s wider heritage site is over very very large area, full of earthworks big and small. The protesters want a deeper tunnel that starts and ends far further away.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
I watched it! And I enjoyed it
I'll only believe it when I see the TBM turn up on site.
Walt Disney Resort in Orlando will surely be interested.
The reason its a bottle neck is not because the road narrows, its because of rubber neckers. You only need one driver to show his brake lights in reasonably heavy traffic and the concertina affect kicks in and the jam begins. Alas because the road is higher than Stonehenge at the eastern end you cant build a fence big enough to hide it. A tunnel is simply the only solution. More money has been wasted discussing this tunnel over the years than will be spent building it. If the gov can justify HS2 then this build should be a no brainer. Just do if ffs.
I just hope if they use a tunnel bore method that no archeological finds are missed :(
Yankee here. I think it terrible to have a major highway going past Stonehenge. Not only am I pro tunnel but I think it should be MUCH longer.
Judging by the picture ( 0:59 ) of the projected tunnel it is way too short to mitigate noise and pollution from this historical site.
Surely just putting up a tall fence would stop people slowing down to look at the Henge. That's a big part of the problem IMO
I think UNESCO are against that
@@GrahamWalters That makes sense. Bit silly tho
Think of the poor residents of Winterbourne Stoke, they have the A303 running right through their village! They deserve a by-pass NOW!
BRILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIANT and it cant coe soon enough
you could upgrade the parallel west of England railway line for £1.7bn and reduce road traffic that way!
It's all good saying that, the trains are great themselves already, although electrification and redoubling of the line wouldn't hurt. Unfortunately, a lot of holiday traffic is generated thanks to the last mile problem: sure, the train will take you to Devon / Cornwall whatever, but now you need to get some bus or some non-existent public transport to get to your holiday cottage. Oh and what about day trips. As a single person I would like to test the ability to go to Cornwall and leave the car at home, using only public transport to reach major attractions. But do you want to do that with the screaming little ones? Don't think so
@@aidanfell4297 yeah, public transport isn't that great for famillies
It has already started,bringing in electricity for the TBM,road closures for 3 months.
These legal challenges put projects on hold for decades. What a waste of time, energy, and money.
Meanwhile in France, Germany and across whole swathes of the world they get on and build things.
Where's Swampy where you nees him??
The impudence! "Save Stonehenge" should be reserved for those who WANT the tunnel. That road has to go.
What I think is also important to consider (and I think I heard this from Paul and Rebecca Whitewick) is that with the age of the route not quite clear it may well be that stonehenge was meant to be seen and meant to be in close proximity to a road of sorts so it would be disturbing the ensemble to just go and remove the road altogether
Looking at that massive queue of cars at 00:30 ... all the people in those cars could fit on a single double decker bus.
As always with traffic, the problem is not the roads but what roads are designed for
Similarly all the comments reckoning that everyone in cars could just get a bus or train could be replaced with one comment, yet they still come
@@martinalooksatthings Sorry, I didn't provide enough clarity. My point is that a long queue of cars looks like lots of people are affected. Yet the number of people in a queue is often so small that they could fit in one bus. Thus spending billions to solve an optical illusion seems wasteful.
No matter how much Highways England says this tunnel is needed, how it will solve the area's traffic and bring economic and environmental benefits.. know it is a lie. Highways England is a racket with the sole job of finding money for contractors, not for properly managing the road network
What's wrong with the underpass, no harm being done to Stonehenge itself, the so called nature people just moan for the sake of it. This bottle neck is the pain of every holiday taken down to the southwest, progress has to come and while travel expands this is a must for improvement, I have been travelling this route for 55years and its a night mare, just to go on holiday, some improvements have been made to the 303 but not enough, and not quick enough, because of certain individuals spending there time disrupting anything put forward that means progress for the marjority, only there own self interests seem to count.Let's get done, and in 10years people will wonder what all the fuss was about, remember what happened at Twyford Down and the Punch Bowl on the A3, nobody gives it a second thought now. That's Progress !
No chance. There will almost certainly be a legal challenge so the only chance would be a change in the law. So I will continue to bypass this section or travel in the middle of the night. This scheme survived Prescott's axe in the late 90s so should have been built then when the cost was a tenth of what it is now.
I've clicked something; what do I do now?
I'm not sure
why was the A344 removed?
@@r.h.8754 Want you to pay to see it, you can still see Stonehenge from A303 as you drive past. Surprised they didn't put a toll on it, 😂😂
Absolutely excellent video as always Martina. Though please don't be pessimistic at the end and say 'no one will look at this'... your channel has grown INSANELY quickly and your recent Amsterdam video has over 100k views. Many other people (such as I) made videos pretty regularly for about 5 years with absolutely no growth or traffic!
At the time of writing that I was in editing hell, and aware of the many other videos on the subject with very low view counts...
@@martinalooksatthings A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
@@martinalooksatthings I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
The only way to build a cut and cover tunnel in a timely fashion would be to destroy the archaeology that’s undoubtedly there.
If they painstakingly catalogued everything (as they should) it would take decades!
Bored tunnels going into the side of the hill at Winterborne stoke is the best option then going deep.
Just build the road, with or without tunnels. Looking back at some images, the stones have been lifted, reconstructed and restored etc. so not exactly as our ancestors left them, and I doubt much of the original landscape has survived.
I always avoid the A303 whenever possible. It's a bloody nightmare. Packed solid with grockles.
The tunnel will never happen. Nimbys will see to that.
I like your last point. Maybe it’s nice as a bottleneck. Nice was to see the henge. Slowly.
I think my ideal solution would be to bypass the trunk route elsewhere, and leave the existing road as a local/scenic route
Went past on Friday and back on Sunday .Terrible traffic both ways and must be a nightmare living there.I must admit running a new 2 lane carriageway next to the existing road and turning that into the new 2 lane eastern route ,with some judicious landscaping would seem to be as good as anything ,much cheaper and quicker than a tunnel?
Great video. I’m amazed National Highways haven’t proposed a massive roundabout around Stonehenge given there can’t be much money left after yet another utterly pointless re-branding exercise and one that is technically incorrect (‘National’ only applies to ‘England’). Living near the A417 ‘Missing Link’ (Cotswold escarpment) I have little faith in NH getting anything right that pays some regard to the environment.
Before people start criticising things they know nothing about, they should perhaps educate themselves on what national means.
@@911HRW well, I used to work for National Highways until last year so I do have some insight. Probably a lot more than you. So does Wales have a National Highways? Scotland? Northern Ireland? Perhaps you’re the one that needs to be educated in the geography of the United Kingdom and the logic of a UK government funded organisation describing itself as ‘national’ that only covers England.
@@911HRW I actually think you’ve mis-read what I’ve written. I’m criticising National Highways for using the word ‘national’ (see ‘technically incorrect’ above). Unless that’s what you’re challenging in which case, good luck winning that argument.
@@tasty_fish Perhaps Google what “national” means, then come back to me. I’m fact, ill save you the time. “National, relating to or typical of a whole country and its people. Last time I checked, England is a country. Think of a “national” as a person, National, someone who officially belongs to a particular country, again, England is a country.
I’m guessing you were booted from them and now hold a grudge. Sad.
How about building a flyover going over the top of the stones?.......
I am suprised that the Stop Oil Protesters havent stoppped the traffic along there. The ammount of traffic standing still on that section, pumping out all that pollution. If there was a tunnel, the air quallity in the area would improve, which would be better for everyone.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations. Or they can even toll people using the A303 to encourage use of the tunnel
The alien archaeologists will be confused when they find the tunnel.
Building new roads like this isn't compatible with the government's emissions targets. We should be investing in the railways instead to encourage modal shift.
@@r.h.8754 I frequently go on holiday by train, and I think Cornwall also deserves functional public transport.
Bring back the A344!
Its long overdue just get it done!
I was wondering what a train line from ludgershall towards westbury would do for the traffic, but then I looked at maps and saw there was a big old military range in the way.. So I guess that's out of the question. And I guess there's already some rail closeby :v
Nope, the line from Ludgershall went to Cheltenham Spa via Marlborough, Swindon, Cricklade and Cirencester. It was closed in 1962. If you drive on the main road going through Collingbourne Ducis you can see the trackbed to your right heading northbound. As for your suggestion, the Wessex Main Line and the West of England Line has you covered.
The should have built the two way tunnel before when it was cheaper. Building infrastructure which has been carefully thought through is never a bad thing.
It was never going to be cheaper. The difference is a combination of inflation and over optimistic early estimates.
It all depends on certain people getting certain incentives if you catch my brown drift.
If they can put a tunnel under London for the Cross-rail route, without London falling into the hole. Then, it must be possible to put a tunnel under Stonhenge with any damage to this important historical landscape!
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
and london has a lot of tunnels under it, so it would have already collapsed if anything
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
I feel if the road route is as old as stonehenge it should be kept, but they should still provide an underground bypass for the majority of traffic
Bury the road, and turn the current one in to a combined footpath/cycle route.
Maintain the surface route, but not for cars
@@RyanJ_Do you think many cyclists cycle along the A303?
😂😂😂
It might be turned into a track, just like the A344.
@@deang5622 I used to go to work along it many years ago
I'm utterly shocked that with the UK's absolute fetish for roundabouts that they don't just build a giant roundabout around the whole site.
Do It!!!!
The longer they dither about it the more it's going to cost to build the thing.
Cant wait for it to start and I grew up in the area and will be living near it.
A303, they could easily widen that without even having to touch the Stonehenge. Look at all the land on the other side of the road. Plenty of room for a dual carriageway.
The budget will probably be £2 billion by today's inflationary standards, £3 billion by the time its completed if it ever gets started this year. They should get permission from the farms to just lay down new roads near it and then make it a dual carriageway. But as we've seen not only in this country, but also in America, laying down more lanes equals more traffic, thus more lanes in the future
I think if it does go ahead, the tunnel should be tolled with all money going towards maintenance of the tunnel, paying off the construction loans & most importantly, to fund future preservation of Stonehenge itself, for future generations.
Why don't they just move Stonehenge further away from the road?