After being burnt by so many 'law' dramas that did not accurately depict what happens in court, I wasn't going to touch it. What you said totally changes things. I'm now looking forward to watching this!
After hearing you talk about how this drama was made, I am going to watch this drama as soon as I find the time. Your video is hilariously enlightening about how things work out in China! Avenue X looks v nice in this video.
❤ As usual, spot on with your review！I generally enjoy watching legal dramas from UK, US, S Korea etc - for me, this is very educational and definitely one of Jing Dong’s better performances after the Disguiser. I love that it is about people and their real life issues. Well, controversy is to be expected no matter how a real life case is depicted. I agree with you that the line should be drawn about depicting ongoing cases.
I am following and will continue to follow this drama, at Ep 25 now. I quite enjoy this drama. The drama can be watched 2-3 episodes at a time without any disruption of storylines. The captial/serious cases are blah, but the civil cases and stories are quite good. Maybe the screenwriters intentionly trying not to follow murder cases too closely to real life to avoid getting sued. On the other hand, all the "trivial" cases were so facinating. The ways they go through mediation, remediation, negotiation, settlement or eventual hearing etc. are so eye opening. Jin Dong is very convincing as a lower court judge. Other than his female apprentice, who got on my nerves constantly, I am pleasantly impressed with almost all the characters and actors/actresses. I absolutely love his female assistant (the older lady sister Wang). I would recommend this drama.
Oh a 2.5 gold mines with controversy is definitely going to be on my watch list. I am also curious about the legal system in China. Thanks for your review and recommendation.
Watched this video yesterday because I was searching for my next watch, I'm not into romance centric shows so I mostly find myself watching the law/ family centric drama's. Currently on episode 13 of draw the line & it's keeping me invested in how the system works
I have to say you whet my appetite, and I will definitely consider watching this drama. I normally avoid “serious” C-dramas, with uniformed unit or legal theme, as inevitably you get a lot of PR speeches and cardboard characterization from these type of dramas. But I will give this a try based on your review.
Thank you for your detailed and opinionated sharing of this drama. I saw it today and after watching your post on TH-cam, you have made me fairly excited to watch it. I am a fan of Jin Dong. Thank you for sharing so passionately! 😉💪🏼👏🏼🙌🏼😂
I actually have no problem with them changing things in scripts/tv series that are based on true stories. Because its about REAL people, real victims, real perpetrators. Im a bit of a picky nerd when it comes to book adaptations ( because Hollywood has ISSUES nowadays), but I can forgive if its DONE WELL, and perhaps things which ADDS to the plot. But in REAL stories? Im ok with changeing things, as long as it doesnt mess things up. Im probably gonna check this out seems interesting. Have nice October everyone!! : )
Thank you for reviewing this drama, I wasn't planning on watching it but now I am intrigued. I also like the actors you mentioned so I will check it out today.
I haven't watched the drama, waiting for it to finish so I can watch it in one go (hopefully it won't be affected), but maybe it's because I'm from the US and have watched hundreds of episodes of Law & Order... to me, I don't see why it's a huge problem as long as the creators claim this to be a work of fiction and not representing it as factual. L&O they do the "the story is made up any likeliness is purely coincidence" to cover their ass, even though it is SUPER obvious who they are talking about when they talk about high profile cases. Also, there's been lots of movies that are obvious who it's referring to like the Gucci movie, the Social Network (Facebook) movie, and even the Hulu Elizabeth Holmes series (and that was during her trial I think) and some of them the family/etc will come out and say the movie was made without their consultation. Also, there's no trial by jury so it seems the impacts are less in China than in the US.
Draw the line indeed outstanding and a must watch drama. It surprisingly enjoyable to watch and lots of life lesson we can get from the cases. And about the controversy, yes i agree it would be safer to use old finished cases. But since its guided by supreme court, i would think they (the supreme court) purposely choose semi ongoing controversial cases because lots of people still remember them and want to give detail explanation on why judges made such decision and also to amplify the life lessons. The impact would be different if they choosed 10-20 years ago cases. *semi ongoing because actually the first trials already done So far, i think they fair enough on presenting defendant and plaintiff point of view and not over supporting either side. And as u said, this drama using different names and make some adjustment of the story, so in theory it cant be sued easily. Hopefully its not canceled etc.since it is supported by the supreme court and all law workers there, haha 😂😁 and also because this drama is very unique and rare, its very difficult to be re-made in the future with such high quality plot as it is now, its really a gem ☺️
I'm definitely going to watch! I'm familiar with the British because my country of birth uses this system. I'm familiar with US because I've watched some cases live and am familiar with their laws because of you ever plan on visiting there you need to know. 😅😅😅
A different but related issue to what we're seeing in the west with "true crime" TV shows presenting fictionalised cases that are heavily based in real life events. It's a fine, nuanced line easily crossed in all the wrong ways. Might have been safer to draw inspiration from older, already resolved cases where sticking to the exact series of events would be less problematic (since they have been resolved already). That might reduce the dramatic impact though so...yeah, no easy way out of that problem.
I liked First Half Of My Life so I usually try my best to finish similar dramas with veteran actors and veteran actresses, unless I get distracted by newer dramas.
Its holiday in Kolkata, India too.. Wishing Happy Durga puja/ Navratri to everyone... 🙏 I am still annoyed with JingDong for the his last drama with Li Xiao Ran, that I watched. I watched one episode of this drama. This would be the second drama of this type that I watched. Other being Black lighthouse. It was an okay-ish one, but the start was really absurd; yet the both have similar vibe of dealing with legal issues from judge's pov. I am not sure if Out of Court falls in this category (then 3 dramas) My personal issue with this type of drama is people talk more than act and its all in very technical terms. From an non-chinese viewer, its hard to follow. I had dropped this drama after first episode but since AvenueX rated it 2.5 gm, I should check it out again.
I feel iffy about depicting ongoing cases but that specific defendant is appealing the judgment against her. At least at the present, her version of events is not officially supported.
@@keekeepod that defendant is that girl who shut the door on her friend. Her and her parents was not ONE BIT grateful that Jiang Ge died in her place. She even tried to tarnish Jiang Ge and her mother
40 episodes? That's a bit too much for me. I've watched some of it, though, and the legal system/court procedure reminds me much more of that in continental Europe rather than anything in the US or the UK.
I think there is a misunderstaning around the word "reality". There is not such thing as actual reality, it's always a construction, reality it's just the narrative we built to comunicate something. It's always a point of view. And if we're talking about dramas... we need to explain it? It's fiction!
Its funny though, that in some part of this drama, he left the court because he was wronged, its like foreshadowing and a warning purposely made for Huan Rui 🤣🤣😁
After your positive review of 'Draw the Line' I was curious to know more about the system of justice in China without having to wade through 40 episodes. These are a few things of interest which I found on the Internet. Don't know if anyone else will find this useful. As of 2020, it is estimated that 1.7 million people had been incarcerated in China, which is the second-highest prison population after the United States (USA). The country's per-capita incarceration rate is 121 per 100,000 of the national population. China has no common law. Instead, China has mainly a civil law system. In China, the law means statutes and excludes case law. In other words, court cases are not law; only rules codified by the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary are laws. In China, criminals will be punished. Penalties include five kinds of principal punishments and three kinds of supplementary punishments. Principal punishments include: (1) public surveillance; (2) criminal detention; (3) fixed-term imprisonment; (4) life imprisonment; and (5) the death penalty. Ding zui (Chinese: 顶罪; pinyin: dǐngzuì) is the Chinese practice of hiring impostors or body doubles to stand trial and receive punishment in one's place. The term translates as "substitute criminal," and is reported to be a relatively common practice among China's wealthy elite. In Chinese jails, prisoners begin working on their first day of detention regardless of the circumstances. The right of having a phone call upon arrest is unheard of, and most have no contact with the outside world throughout the entire time they are incarcerated. All prisoners including criminals, political prisoners, and prisoners of conscience are subjected to torture and other forms of violence. The prisoners are subjected to forced labor, often under harsh and violent conditions.
Based on what I've read on Chinese social media, many confessions during police interrogation/investigation process, assuming the police determining the cases are serious enough to warrant investigations. Most offenders don't have attorneys present during interrogations. Police apparently can indefinitely detain people even after prosecutors decline to charge these people with crimes. Sounds like there is a "reverse quota" on cases, that is, no more than a certain numbers of felonies every year. Convincing/compelling/threatening victims to forgive or settle frequently occur in all levels in the legal system. A defendant's family paying a victim or victim's family for a letter of forgiveness to reduce the sentence is also common. There is something else quite odd. Something terrible happened to a person in the process of committing an illegal/criminal act, the "victim" can be deemed liable and must financially compensate the criminal or criminal's family. For example, a burglar breaks into a residence, falls down the stairs then dies from a broken neck, the court may order the resident to financially compensate the burglar's family. Self-defense is an exception but the standard is tough to meet. (Because of that, law enforcement can often threaten victims with a number of criminal charges to force settlements.)
@@moodygirl609 I'm a Chinese national. My father is a lawyer. But it doesn't need an expert level of knowledge to tell what you copy-n-pasted/paraphrased is far off. "Public source" is not necessarily reliable source. Many so-called "researches" are anti-China propaganda. I'm not going into a debate with you in case you want it. (When it comes to China and two people disagree, it often ends up with a lengthy tiring debate, or quarrel. I don't like it. It's a waste of my energy.) I'm here just to state facts. I'll just talk about one thing, and it'll show how unreliable your source is. 顶罪 is a verb phrase, not a noun. 顶 means to substitute, and 罪 means sin/crime. 顶罪 cannot be translated as "substitute criminal".It means to bear responsibility or punishment in place of someone. "Impostor" or "body double" is not implied. Misleading the authority to make them believe someone else is guilty without making false identities is still 顶罪. 顶罪 is not a professtional term that most people unheard of. It's so basic. If they can't even explain this basic phrase correctly, nothing comes from them should be trusted. I'm not a law expert, but within my knowledge, I can already tell that from "Ding zui" to the end of your original comment is complete non-sense. I don't know if anything before that is wrong. I suggest you to abandon this source completely and forget everything they said.
@@moodygirl609 wow! Thank you for your information 👍👍👍👍I have only one question. In China do cyberbullying punish? I'm curious because in that country there are many cases of that
All 3 "Law & Order" Series (US) for 3 decades they ran was always basing its episodes on real cases, it was loosely based but most of us true crime buffs could figure it out. Hope sense prevails as good court/crime series are often the best genre of drama!💪💪
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After being burnt by so many 'law' dramas that did not accurately depict what happens in court, I wasn't going to touch it. What you said totally changes things. I'm now looking forward to watching this!
After hearing you talk about how this drama was made, I am going to watch this drama as soon as I find the time. Your video is hilariously enlightening about how things work out in China! Avenue X looks v nice in this video.
❤ As usual, spot on with your review！I generally enjoy watching legal dramas from UK, US, S Korea etc - for me, this is very educational and definitely one of Jing Dong’s better performances after the Disguiser. I love that it is about people and their real life issues. Well, controversy is to be expected no matter how a real life case is depicted. I agree with you that the line should be drawn about depicting ongoing cases.
I am following and will continue to follow this drama, at Ep 25 now. I quite enjoy this drama. The drama can be watched 2-3 episodes at a time without any disruption of storylines. The captial/serious cases are blah, but the civil cases and stories are quite good. Maybe the screenwriters intentionly trying not to follow murder cases too closely to real life to avoid getting sued. On the other hand, all the "trivial" cases were so facinating. The ways they go through mediation, remediation, negotiation, settlement or eventual hearing etc. are so eye opening. Jin Dong is very convincing as a lower court judge. Other than his female apprentice, who got on my nerves constantly, I am pleasantly impressed with almost all the characters and actors/actresses. I absolutely love his female assistant (the older lady sister Wang). I would recommend this drama.
Me too his female study really get on my nerves and i also like his secretary too she really good 🤣i find her funny when they’re at the same place
I am looking forward to watching this drama. I worked in the legal field for 28 years. I will put this drama on my watchlist.
This was already on my radar because of Cheng Yi and the Chinese legal field. Now I am super interested!
Oh a 2.5 gold mines with controversy is definitely going to be on my watch list. I am also curious about the legal system in China. Thanks for your review and recommendation.
I always follow your reviews in any kind of drama and as always very successful. I love them!!!! 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️
the case about organized internet bullying and defamation referenced antics of crazy fandoms
Thank you Avenue x, I really like this drama and we pray it's not cancelled.
Supreme Court promoted this drama on there weibo you git nothing to worry about
@@6Euphoria6 Thanks a lot dear for this, us international fans worry coz we got no weibo in my country.
Watched this video yesterday because I was searching for my next watch, I'm not into romance centric shows so I mostly find myself watching the law/ family centric drama's. Currently on episode 13 of draw the line & it's keeping me invested in how the system works
I have to say you whet my appetite, and I will definitely consider watching this drama. I normally avoid “serious” C-dramas, with uniformed unit or legal theme, as inevitably you get a lot of PR speeches and cardboard characterization from these type of dramas. But I will give this a try based on your review.
Thank you for your detailed and opinionated sharing of this drama. I saw it today and after watching your post on TH-cam, you have made me fairly excited to watch it. I am a fan of Jin Dong. Thank you for sharing so passionately! 😉💪🏼👏🏼🙌🏼😂
i cried for many case in this drama that storytelling is so good 😂😂
AvenueX I think you broke a record today! I’ve stopped counting the number of times you said « detail »😭😭😭
I actually have no problem with them changing things in scripts/tv series that are based on true stories. Because its about REAL people, real victims, real perpetrators. Im a bit of a picky nerd when it comes to book adaptations ( because Hollywood has ISSUES nowadays), but I can forgive if its DONE WELL, and perhaps things which ADDS to the plot. But in REAL stories? Im ok with changeing things, as long as it doesnt mess things up. Im probably gonna check this out seems interesting. Have nice October everyone!! : )
Thank you for reviewing this drama, I wasn't planning on watching it but now I am intrigued. I also like the actors you mentioned so I will check it out today.
It sounds so interesting!!! That also means, from now on, we can use this drama as a standard for any legal drama in china!
that sweater looks really good on you💚
I haven't watched the drama, waiting for it to finish so I can watch it in one go (hopefully it won't be affected), but maybe it's because I'm from the US and have watched hundreds of episodes of Law & Order... to me, I don't see why it's a huge problem as long as the creators claim this to be a work of fiction and not representing it as factual. L&O they do the "the story is made up any likeliness is purely coincidence" to cover their ass, even though it is SUPER obvious who they are talking about when they talk about high profile cases. Also, there's been lots of movies that are obvious who it's referring to like the Gucci movie, the Social Network (Facebook) movie, and even the Hulu Elizabeth Holmes series (and that was during her trial I think) and some of them the family/etc will come out and say the movie was made without their consultation. Also, there's no trial by jury so it seems the impacts are less in China than in the US.
Draw the line indeed outstanding and a must watch drama. It surprisingly enjoyable to watch and lots of life lesson we can get from the cases.
And about the controversy, yes i agree it would be safer to use old finished cases. But since its guided by supreme court, i would think they (the supreme court) purposely choose semi ongoing controversial cases because lots of people still remember them and want to give detail explanation on why judges made such decision and also to amplify the life lessons. The impact would be different if they choosed 10-20 years ago cases.
*semi ongoing because actually the first trials already done
So far, i think they fair enough on presenting defendant and plaintiff point of view and not over supporting either side.
And as u said, this drama using different names and make some adjustment of the story, so in theory it cant be sued easily.
Hopefully its not canceled etc.since it is supported by the supreme court and all law workers there, haha 😂😁
and also because this drama is very unique and rare, its very difficult to be re-made in the future with such high quality plot as it is now, its really a gem ☺️
Well about the « how far you can go with drama/serie » the debate is also heated in the US with the Dahmer serie.
Have a wonderful Tuesday Avenuex 💛
I'm definitely going to watch! I'm familiar with the British because my country of birth uses this system. I'm familiar with US because I've watched some cases live and am familiar with their laws because of you ever plan on visiting there you need to know. 😅😅😅
A different but related issue to what we're seeing in the west with "true crime" TV shows presenting fictionalised cases that are heavily based in real life events. It's a fine, nuanced line easily crossed in all the wrong ways. Might have been safer to draw inspiration from older, already resolved cases where sticking to the exact series of events would be less problematic (since they have been resolved already). That might reduce the dramatic impact though so...yeah, no easy way out of that problem.
Even the supreme court guve it a yes snd the vitcim mom did too, what are you complaining about
Sounds like an awesome drama to me. Thank you for the review! Definitely gonna check this one out
Ohhhh I’m fascinated and I think I’ll check it out when I have time. I’m really curious to see how the legal court system is like in China.
I liked First Half Of My Life so I usually try my best to finish similar dramas with veteran actors and veteran actresses, unless I get distracted by newer dramas.
Its holiday in Kolkata, India too.. Wishing Happy Durga puja/ Navratri to everyone... 🙏
I am still annoyed with JingDong for the his last drama with Li Xiao Ran, that I watched.
I watched one episode of this drama. This would be the second drama of this type that I watched. Other being Black lighthouse. It was an okay-ish one, but the start was really absurd; yet the both have similar vibe of dealing with legal issues from judge's pov. I am not sure if Out of Court falls in this category (then 3 dramas)
My personal issue with this type of drama is people talk more than act and its all in very technical terms. From an non-chinese viewer, its hard to follow. I had dropped this drama after first episode but since AvenueX rated it 2.5 gm, I should check it out again.
I like to watch this drama.It show the reality of life..it really happen in real life.
"we are much stronger than this. we can deal with this" hehe yeah true
i wonder if beside 🥭 tv, have any streaming platforms pick up this drama and sub it?
ig im just looking at more coherent sounding sub.. thank you !!
Never ever touch an ongoing case. A drama is entertainment which do not actually reflect reality. If you want reality then do a Documentary.
But this is guided by real judges and the supreme court
Plus one of the Jiang Ge's mother seens to like this drama
No, some of us need her reviews whether to continue with a drama or not, I always check her reviews.
I feel iffy about depicting ongoing cases but that specific defendant is appealing the judgment against her. At least at the present, her version of events is not officially supported.
@@keekeepod Jiang Ge mom won and thst bitch is salty
@@keekeepod that defendant is that girl who shut the door on her friend. Her and her parents was not ONE BIT grateful that Jiang Ge died in her place. She even tried to tarnish Jiang Ge and her mother
How did it get approval to air when dealing with high profile ongoing cases? This was ill advised for sure....
Damn this is very interesting!
40 episodes? That's a bit too much for me. I've watched some of it, though, and the legal system/court procedure reminds me much more of that in continental Europe rather than anything in the US or the UK.
I think there is a misunderstaning around the word "reality". There is not such thing as actual reality, it's always a construction, reality it's just the narrative we built to comunicate something. It's always a point of view. And if we're talking about dramas... we need to explain it? It's fiction!
Well said 👍
大唐诡异wacth it
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
because the drama is made only for chinese people who know
How can you access TH-cam in China? I would be afraid of getting arrested.😮
She is based in Canada
VPN is allowed in China
😂what? No one will be arrested for visiting TH-cam or being a TH-camr.
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Blame Huanrui for Cheng Yi i heard his company was angry when he took this drama smh
Its funny though, that in some part of this drama, he left the court because he was wronged, its like foreshadowing and a warning purposely made for Huan Rui 🤣🤣😁
@@indri8413 All their previous artist already left. Cheng Yi would probably leave too if he knows how to treat himself better
Huanrui did dirty thing to Chengyi i wish him leave that company soon but i heard he still have 5years with them 🥲
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After your positive review of 'Draw the Line' I was curious to know more about the system of justice in China without having to wade through 40 episodes. These are a few things of interest which I found on the Internet. Don't know if anyone else will find this useful.
As of 2020, it is estimated that 1.7 million people had been incarcerated in China, which is the second-highest prison population after the United States (USA). The country's per-capita incarceration rate is 121 per 100,000 of the national population.
China has no common law. Instead, China has mainly a civil law system. In China, the law means statutes and excludes case law. In other words, court cases are not law; only rules codified by the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary are laws.
In China, criminals will be punished. Penalties include five kinds of principal punishments and three kinds of supplementary punishments. Principal punishments include: (1) public surveillance; (2) criminal detention; (3) fixed-term imprisonment; (4) life imprisonment; and (5) the death penalty.
Ding zui (Chinese: 顶罪; pinyin: dǐngzuì) is the Chinese practice of hiring impostors or body doubles to stand trial and receive punishment in one's place. The term translates as "substitute criminal," and is reported to be a relatively common practice among China's wealthy elite.
In Chinese jails, prisoners begin working on their first day of detention regardless of the circumstances. The right of having a phone call upon arrest is unheard of, and most have no contact with the outside world throughout the entire time they are incarcerated.
All prisoners including criminals, political prisoners, and prisoners of conscience are subjected to torture and other forms of violence. The prisoners are subjected to forced labor, often under harsh and violent conditions.
Based on what I've read on Chinese social media, many confessions during police interrogation/investigation process, assuming the police determining the cases are serious enough to warrant investigations. Most offenders don't have attorneys present during interrogations. Police apparently can indefinitely detain people even after prosecutors decline to charge these people with crimes.
Sounds like there is a "reverse quota" on cases, that is, no more than a certain numbers of felonies every year. Convincing/compelling/threatening victims to forgive or settle frequently occur in all levels in the legal system. A defendant's family paying a victim or victim's family for a letter of forgiveness to reduce the sentence is also common.
There is something else quite odd. Something terrible happened to a person in the process of committing an illegal/criminal act, the "victim" can be deemed liable and must financially compensate the criminal or criminal's family. For example, a burglar breaks into a residence, falls down the stairs then dies from a broken neck, the court may order the resident to financially compensate the burglar's family. Self-defense is an exception but the standard is tough to meet. (Because of that, law enforcement can often threaten victims with a number of criminal charges to force settlements.)
A lot of what you said here is wrong.
@@wsytch4879 Which part exactly is wrong. I didn't make this up, these are from public sources. Refute them if you can.
@@moodygirl609 I'm a Chinese national. My father is a lawyer. But it doesn't need an expert level of knowledge to tell what you copy-n-pasted/paraphrased is far off. "Public source" is not necessarily reliable source. Many so-called "researches" are anti-China propaganda. I'm not going into a debate with you in case you want it. (When it comes to China and two people disagree, it often ends up with a lengthy tiring debate, or quarrel. I don't like it. It's a waste of my energy.) I'm here just to state facts.
I'll just talk about one thing, and it'll show how unreliable your source is. 顶罪 is a verb phrase, not a noun. 顶 means to substitute, and 罪 means sin/crime. 顶罪 cannot be translated as "substitute criminal".It means to bear responsibility or punishment in place of someone. "Impostor" or "body double" is not implied. Misleading the authority to make them believe someone else is guilty without making false identities is still 顶罪. 顶罪 is not a professtional term that most people unheard of. It's so basic. If they can't even explain this basic phrase correctly, nothing comes from them should be trusted.
I'm not a law expert, but within my knowledge, I can already tell that from "Ding zui" to the end of your original comment is complete non-sense. I don't know if anything before that is wrong. I suggest you to abandon this source completely and forget everything they said.
@@moodygirl609 wow! Thank you for your information 👍👍👍👍I have only one question. In China do cyberbullying punish? I'm curious because in that country there are many cases of that
All 3 "Law & Order" Series (US) for 3 decades they ran was always basing its episodes on real cases, it was loosely based but most of us true crime buffs could figure it out. Hope sense prevails as good court/crime series are often the best genre of drama!💪💪