Because that is not a choice anyone has. You can't "learn" this dance, you can only feel it by trying it first. That is exactly why people who are not "doing it right" eventually end up not doing it at all, while those who live it inevitably learn to understand and love it. Moreover, simply mathematically, when one wins 3 round to 2, the final score cannot suddenly be a loss. How many rounds and by how much do not change the outcome, it just provides more detail on WHY a round was taken.
Born and Lilou's example was to show that one voted for powermoves despite being biased for toprock and footwork, and the other is well-known for never voting for Korean crews, respectively, expressing professionalism despite bias. Styles do divide into separate dances, however bboying is one that allows incorporation of other styles in order to express your originality and creativity. On top of that, anyone who is bboying for a while knows well enough how to flip the move and make it fit in.
I thought that MOO came hard, loving their creativity, also great power esp. by Pocket (jheeze) BUT just out of my own personal preference I loved watching Nuts more.. there's something about their style/flava that makes me want to get up and dance...
I'm American, ole school and part of the generation that created b-boying. Yes I've been to and participated in my share of "battles". I agree with you. "Flava" only counts for so much. In the end you need a solid skill set and even uniqueness if you want to consistently win. When you're smooth enough to move with the music and not look "rehearsed" . The gentleman at 4:21 is a Beast. Much Respect.
personally think MOO won. Issue's last set took it for sure. same for gamblerz, they should have won too. gosh the judges are really not into it today.
Im sure he will evolve who knows, MOO is pushing the boundaries.. they even did a pure contemporary piece with bboy moves and freezes incorporated. they might bring something really new to dance scene. but there comes to a point when all this creativity leaves the realm of bboying. there is a classical b-boy attitude moving, no matter where the movement is inspired from, which has a lot to do with how one interprets the music, and then how one moves.
The standards and demands do. You seem to be misunderstanding. It is not what anyone "sees" as equal chance; it's the existing equal circumstances the bboys dance under. Born has voted for powermovers and Lilou has voted for Koreans. It all comes down to the judges' professionalism, regardless of how biased they may be. As for power, the reason why it's accepted and not being ruled out, is because this dance is a completely free form of expression - real hip-hop. It does not discriminate.
Same here. But think back some. Recall that someone did flares once, which were foreign and borrowed completely from a different art altogether, yet eventually introduced in such a way that now everyone does it as basics. It has evolved into people doing mainly powermoves, while still being bboys, all because that is their choice of self expression. Judges may decide based on opinion, but in categories that give both sides a relatively equal chance, and somewhat limit inevitable bias.
im glad we having this exchange im learning from it and hope ppl reading it are too. There is no such thing as non-biased judging, it does not exist. Because all premises for judging have an opinion tagged to it. Every judge that has judged so far is using his own version of what he thinks is right. even OUR system, it inherently leaves out Biting and character and focuses a lot on moves. U can be creative, but what u created may not be bboying. Always ask: did that look like bboying to u?
what it seems to me is that this is just blurring the line of what is bboying and what isnt. to stretch your argument, you saying that if someone went and did pure capoeira in a bboy battle it wont be "wrong". no matter what element and move its inspired from it has to have a bboy attitude. and as for judges, personal factors are important. you chose the judge cos he has respected way of judging. not having any "preferences" is already a preference in itself.
Born's idea of what is standard can be well different from Lilou's as you just pointed out, because you acknowledge the have certain tendencies. Therefore there is no accepted, understood Standard, but certain parameters within which there is not much protest. hip hop is free and does not discriminate but it comes to a point where the styles divide into different dances. Stand-up styles are different from bboying but it's still hiphop. it boils down to the style of the movements in the dance.
The judging IS counting round for round. It cannot work otherwise. It is not a sport, and nothing really makes it look like one yet, apart from this technical judging system. Eventually, everyone who attempts bboying either realizes the freedom it provides and lives it passionately, or ultimately drops out of it, failing to form a "bond" with the dance. Nearly everyone that came into the dance didn't know what it meant, yet all of them realized it with time. Storm, Lilou, Ivan - you name em.
Difference is, you cannot Pop with Locking moves and vice versa, due to strict differences that will not work when judged. However in bboying, you can use moves and elements inspired by other arts freely without them being "wrong." No one, not even a judge, can go and say that someone is a lesser bboy because he's inspired by a source that he himself does not agree with. Making up your own personal factors and preferences when judging, is anything but being a good objective judge.
So I don't see the problem. People go into the dance, being drawn by one thing or another, but eventually stay because they understand just how deep it goes, whether they're powerheads or just rocking toprocks. OUR system does judge wins per round, based on the 5 criteria it has. At the end, it adds up the taken rounds by each side to conclude the winner, not just gives a general final score. Basically, the same process that goes in the judges' minds and on their paper, but a bit more detailed.
Don't play dumb, you can conclude well enough what a statement like "brought it hard" means in a positive way, especially in bboying. I explained enough for the idea to be obvious enough as well. Where did this "Gymnast flava" and "House flava" ridiculousness come from all of a sudden? Bboys brought the gymnastic flava into bboying in the first place. Most of this dance in inspired by other elements in the first place, so throwing it into those fictional categories of yours won't work.
Not exactly. Someone will not judge a bboy based on the technicality of how well he made the move fit with bboying. A judge will decide how well one performed using his flava and moves along with the music as a whole. The specific idea of how "flavored" a bboy is will merely fall under the general impression of a bboy's character and attitude, much like the 'Battle' category in the OUR system, which you mistakenly mentioned before to be lacking attention to the bboy character aspect.
yes moo has their own flava... but i'd say Issue almost isnt b-boying anymore. He is dancing yes but it is not b-boying he is not moving with the b-boy style. Contemporary dance maybe. Credits to him its dope but this is a bboy battle. He does not have the b-boy attitude. OGs were inspired by Martial arts too.. but they did it in the b-boy way. u wont go popping in a locking battle, even if you are Popping with Locking moves. ..and judging factors are determined by the judge of the event.
That is why I used the word "inspired." Every bboy is doing his thing in the bboy attitude. No one ever goes into a battle doing something completely irrelevant to bboying. Creativity is the key role here, and they all have it. Having no preference is not a preference on its own, since having none is a requirement for non-biased judging. A judge can't choose to positively view only footwork because he happens to like it, and blindly vote against the other bboy because he had some power going.
Nah, it's not that extreme. That is also the reason this system is only used in crew battles - so that every member of the crew gets a chance to do his own thing to win the categories the way he can best. Also, it is only used in R16 so far. As for the fairness, it is important when it comes to competitions. If you don't want the competitiveness, you have cyphers and circles, gyms and just jams for fun. No one is forcing bboys to do anything they don't want to.
but that flare led to many just using the move, and ignoring the music. Until one day someone figured out how to do it with the bboy attitude moving with the music, impressing the crowd, aggression and character, slickness. Everything can be done in a b-boy attitude, but not everyone does it that way. What u see as "equal chance" may not be what judges see as "equal chance". A judge may deem fair not to count a repeat/crashed/"non-bboying" set at all. WHo determines what is equal and what isnt?
OUR system doesn't, it counts the total score from all the rounds, adds it all together at the end. You can no longer throw traps, or sacrifice rounds. and yes thats the thing. People don't learn it for what it is initially. They come in thinking it is one thing, and then realise after a long time what it actually is.
that's how you get a lot of people not knowing what they doing and portraying this dance wrongly... why not learn it for what it is from the start rather than short change yourself only to find out much later on. system takes away a lot of the intricate battle strategies. becomes a "just dance your hardest" competition, since it doesn't just count the rounds won by but "how much" since it assumes this can be rated. One can potentially win 3 rounds to 2 but still lose out by final addition.
My point is that everyone uses flava as an excuse to justify a win, even when it's not deserved. MOO has just as much of their own. If someone did footwork, while the other did power, it doesn't mean either one lacks it. Every known good crew got "flava," otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to where they are now. It's not a judging factor, so stop taking that into account.
Giving valid arguments in order to support a good argument is one thing. However making things up in order to back your invalid or otherwise ridiculous claims is a whole different scenario. You've said what you've said, friend, and it is not what you so innocently describe this time. Now you are simply trying to leave this argument clean of any responsibility for the things you've pointed out before. Good day to you as well.
if you call flava bullshit, u dont know anything about breaking... go learn what real breaking is...MOO was good but you disregarding flava is just disrespect brotha
Thats the problem with this mindset.. its not being thought about as an art anymore, the meaning or the culture is lost. All this 'fairness' and ratings is turning it a sport, a 'fair' way to earn money by competition. Instead of going down to have fun, vibe out, people go down to compete like a sport. And then they force in every aspect upon themselves, even if it isn't uniquely their identity. You don't have to do every aspect to win, but the system forces it that way.
말이되냐. moo이 난이도, 시그니처, 사운드, 파워무브, 아크로바틱 모든 면에서 다 개~발랐구만. 저기있는 모든 관중이랑 심지어 3nuts 애들도 두손 다 들고 졌다고 하고 있는데, 이걸 이렇기 판정하네 ㅋㅋㅋ 3nuts 곤조 한명 빼고 나머지는 그냥 춤만추고 들어가더만 ㅋㅋㅋ
Only? I think that 5 is more than enough. If anything, the OUR system is there to make every bboy try to do well in as many aspects as possible, *instead* of doing rehearsed move sets. Winning rounds with nothing but burns and attitude would simply not work nowadays. Mostly because of the standards being higher, the need to do slightly more than just pose around and throw theatricality at the opponent; and the simple lack of fairness when it comes to the hard work and time invested by bboys.
And where do you think what you refer to as "bboy flava" even came from? As a matter of fact, you are the first and only person I've even heard of referring to this whole concept of genres of flava. My point wasn't the fact that your absurd ideas are ridiculous. That was just a by-the-way thing. Flava is flava - the way a bboy decides to express himself. Doesn't matter where he took his inspiration from, it matters how he incorporates it in his dance in his own unique way.
some judges will not count a move if its not fit in well with bboying. to them, it's a criteria. Maybe your definition of flava is different from my own understanding of it. OUR system only gives 5 points max to Character,attitude&battle strategy. Its not a fair system(moves biased) you just need difficult rehearsed moves to an 8 count beat, without meaning, character, aura, and actual battling. You can no longer win a round just with a burn as how it was. 5 points dont do justice to that.
not entirely true. it exerts Luke's Second Face of Power. Meaning that bboys come to bboying not knowing what it is all about unless they really serious about knowledge. It unconsciously shapes what they think a bboy is. and hiphop is more than a sport its about a consciousness. its important to be fair but the system only has one tunnel vision of "fairness". round for round is gone, and much less "talking" through the dance. Less versatility in competition style. Gives rise to checklist bboys.
Wrong, "bro." Flava is a matter of opinion, and it can be too open to bias, claiming that someone has "more flava" than the other. That is exactly why it is not considered in the OUR judging system. Flava is what you develop as you progress, so rest assured they all have enough of it. However, claiming that "flava" was the main factor in this battle is just pure ignorance. Humorously enough, mostly Americans are the ones clinging to "flava" as your excuse, while you basically win nothing.
No. "Bboy flava" is not a type of bboying, it's what it is as a whole. Everything one does, regardless of what style it is, is what defines him - his flava. This whole breaking-down-into-types nonsense that you speak of is nothing close to what Ness describes. No one ever mentioned this bullshit about seperate, different brands of flava, so don't you go putting words into OG mouths. What you say basically, is that any unique style bboy, who lacks specific "bboy flava" is not a bboy. Humorous.
I was with on everything, up until the "Americans win nothing" part. I don't know where you've been hiding but, Americans have been winning all over the place. Only major wins Koreans have lately are crew battles(4 or more members). Everything else I agree on. MoO was easily better in this battle.
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MOO all the way!
great battle all around
Because that is not a choice anyone has. You can't "learn" this dance, you can only feel it by trying it first. That is exactly why people who are not "doing it right" eventually end up not doing it at all, while those who live it inevitably learn to understand and love it.
Moreover, simply mathematically, when one wins 3 round to 2, the final score cannot suddenly be a loss.
How many rounds and by how much do not change the outcome, it just provides more detail on WHY a round was taken.
ufffffffffffffffff amazing bboy pocket represent
Born and Lilou's example was to show that one voted for powermoves despite being biased for toprock and footwork, and the other is well-known for never voting for Korean crews, respectively, expressing professionalism despite bias.
Styles do divide into separate dances, however bboying is one that allows incorporation of other styles in order to express your originality and creativity. On top of that, anyone who is bboying for a while knows well enough how to flip the move and make it fit in.
NAUUUTY ONEEEEE!!!
I thought that MOO came hard, loving their creativity, also great power esp. by Pocket (jheeze) BUT just out of my own personal preference I loved watching Nuts more.. there's something about their style/flava that makes me want to get up and dance...
I'm glad some people can still remain objective and open-minded, regardless of their origins. Respect to you, friend.
I'm American, ole school and part of the generation that created b-boying. Yes I've been to and participated in my share of "battles". I agree with you. "Flava" only counts for so much. In the end you need a solid skill set and even uniqueness if you want to consistently win. When you're smooth enough to move with the music and not look "rehearsed" . The gentleman at 4:21 is a Beast. Much Respect.
love seeing pocket improving his musicality :)
Last song is fire! Does anyone know the name?
personally think MOO won. Issue's last set took it for sure. same for gamblerz, they should have won too. gosh the judges are really not into it today.
naut1 so freshhhhhh
Whats the last song??
first music?
first song plz
exactly right. Therefore, how well a move fits in - that is, doing the move in a way that fits in with bboying, aka flava - is a judging criteria.
Im sure he will evolve who knows, MOO is pushing the boundaries.. they even did a pure contemporary piece with bboy moves and freezes incorporated. they might bring something really new to dance scene.
but there comes to a point when all this creativity leaves the realm of bboying. there is a classical b-boy attitude moving, no matter where the movement is inspired from, which has a lot to do with how one interprets the music, and then how one moves.
that dj got some dope songs nice battle whats the 2nd song ?
What the last Song? PLease!!!
1st song?!
Pocket got so much better at toprock compared to a few years ago lol
The standards and demands do.
You seem to be misunderstanding. It is not what anyone "sees" as equal chance; it's the existing equal circumstances the bboys dance under.
Born has voted for powermovers and Lilou has voted for Koreans. It all comes down to the judges' professionalism, regardless of how biased they may be.
As for power, the reason why it's accepted and not being ruled out, is because this dance is a completely free form of expression - real hip-hop.
It does not discriminate.
Same here.
But think back some. Recall that someone did flares once, which were foreign and borrowed completely from a different art altogether, yet eventually introduced in such a way that now everyone does it as basics. It has evolved into people doing mainly powermoves, while still being bboys, all because that is their choice of self expression.
Judges may decide based on opinion, but in categories that give both sides a relatively equal chance, and somewhat limit inevitable bias.
im glad we having this exchange im learning from it and hope ppl reading it are too. There is no such thing as non-biased judging, it does not exist. Because all premises for judging have an opinion tagged to it. Every judge that has judged so far is using his own version of what he thinks is right. even OUR system, it inherently leaves out Biting and character and focuses a lot on moves.
U can be creative, but what u created may not be bboying.
Always ask: did that look like bboying to u?
what it seems to me is that this is just blurring the line of what is bboying and what isnt. to stretch your argument, you saying that if someone went and did pure capoeira in a bboy battle it wont be "wrong".
no matter what element and move its inspired from it has to have a bboy attitude.
and as for judges, personal factors are important. you chose the judge cos he has respected way of judging. not having any "preferences" is already a preference in itself.
5:40 song name please?
Born's idea of what is standard can be well different from Lilou's as you just pointed out, because you acknowledge the have certain tendencies. Therefore there is no accepted, understood Standard, but certain parameters within which there is not much protest.
hip hop is free and does not discriminate but it comes to a point where the styles divide into different dances. Stand-up styles are different from bboying but it's still hiphop. it boils down to the style of the movements in the dance.
it's judge opinion or judge perspective
"official" judging factor doesnt exist
different thing if you got a battle with a system like O.U.R
Nuts Win🏆🏆🥇
Nauty One Win🏆🏆🏆🥇🥇👍
the dj is soooooo fucking dope
The judging IS counting round for round. It cannot work otherwise.
It is not a sport, and nothing really makes it look like one yet, apart from this technical judging system.
Eventually, everyone who attempts bboying either realizes the freedom it provides and lives it passionately, or ultimately drops out of it, failing to form a "bond" with the dance.
Nearly everyone that came into the dance didn't know what it meant, yet all of them realized it with time. Storm, Lilou, Ivan - you name em.
Difference is, you cannot Pop with Locking moves and vice versa, due to strict differences that will not work when judged.
However in bboying, you can use moves and elements inspired by other arts freely without them being "wrong."
No one, not even a judge, can go and say that someone is a lesser bboy because he's inspired by a source that he himself does not agree with.
Making up your own personal factors and preferences when judging, is anything but being a good objective judge.
i hate people who judges the judges
So I don't see the problem. People go into the dance, being drawn by one thing or another, but eventually stay because they understand just how deep it goes, whether they're powerheads or just rocking toprocks.
OUR system does judge wins per round, based on the 5 criteria it has. At the end, it adds up the taken rounds by each side to conclude the winner, not just gives a general final score. Basically, the same process that goes in the judges' minds and on their paper, but a bit more detailed.
Why!? Why moo losed??? I can't understand porkets power move was really great and they are shown routine!!!!!!!!!!
Don't play dumb, you can conclude well enough what a statement like "brought it hard" means in a positive way, especially in bboying.
I explained enough for the idea to be obvious enough as well.
Where did this "Gymnast flava" and "House flava" ridiculousness come from all of a sudden? Bboys brought the gymnastic flava into bboying in the first place. Most of this dance in inspired by other elements in the first place, so throwing it into those fictional categories of yours won't work.
3nuts hands down, flava son
Not exactly. Someone will not judge a bboy based on the technicality of how well he made the move fit with bboying. A judge will decide how well one performed using his flava and moves along with the music as a whole. The specific idea of how "flavored" a bboy is will merely fall under the general impression of a bboy's character and attitude, much like the 'Battle' category in the OUR system, which you mistakenly mentioned before to be lacking attention to the bboy character aspect.
yes moo has their own flava... but i'd say Issue almost isnt b-boying anymore. He is dancing yes but it is not b-boying he is not moving with the b-boy style. Contemporary dance maybe. Credits to him its dope but this is a bboy battle. He does not have the b-boy attitude. OGs were inspired by Martial arts too.. but they did it in the b-boy way.
u wont go popping in a locking battle, even if you are Popping with Locking moves.
..and judging factors are determined by the judge of the event.
That is why I used the word "inspired."
Every bboy is doing his thing in the bboy attitude. No one ever goes into a battle doing something completely irrelevant to bboying.
Creativity is the key role here, and they all have it.
Having no preference is not a preference on its own, since having none is a requirement for non-biased judging. A judge can't choose to positively view only footwork because he happens to like it, and blindly vote against the other bboy because he had some power going.
Nah, it's not that extreme. That is also the reason this system is only used in crew battles - so that every member of the crew gets a chance to do his own thing to win the categories the way he can best. Also, it is only used in R16 so far.
As for the fairness, it is important when it comes to competitions. If you don't want the competitiveness, you have cyphers and circles, gyms and just jams for fun. No one is forcing bboys to do anything they don't want to.
MORNING OF OWL WIN!!!
MORNING OF OWL WIN!!!
MORNING OF OWL WIN!!!
MORNING OF OWL WIN!!!
FAST JUG.....!!!!
but that flare led to many just using the move, and ignoring the music. Until one day someone figured out how to do it with the bboy attitude moving with the music, impressing the crowd, aggression and character, slickness. Everything can be done in a b-boy attitude, but not everyone does it that way.
What u see as "equal chance" may not be what judges see as "equal chance". A judge may deem fair not to count a repeat/crashed/"non-bboying" set at all. WHo determines what is equal and what isnt?
then you say MOO memmbers don't have any flava??
OUR system doesn't, it counts the total score from all the rounds, adds it all together at the end. You can no longer throw traps, or sacrifice rounds.
and yes thats the thing. People don't learn it for what it is initially. They come in thinking it is one thing, and then realise after a long time what it actually is.
that's how you get a lot of people not knowing what they doing and portraying this dance wrongly... why not learn it for what it is from the start rather than short change yourself only to find out much later on.
system takes away a lot of the intricate battle strategies. becomes a "just dance your hardest" competition, since it doesn't just count the rounds won by but "how much" since it assumes this can be rated. One can potentially win 3 rounds to 2 but still lose out by final addition.
Well to be honest, "Nothing" was an exaggeration, of course. But yes, they won some 3vs3 and less lately.
My point is that everyone uses flava as an excuse to justify a win, even when it's not deserved.
MOO has just as much of their own. If someone did footwork, while the other did power, it doesn't mean either one lacks it. Every known good crew got "flava," otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to where they are now.
It's not a judging factor, so stop taking that into account.
công nhận ban giám khảo quá vớ vẩn .MOO thắng chắc
Nuts win? O.o
Giving valid arguments in order to support a good argument is one thing.
However making things up in order to back your invalid or otherwise ridiculous claims is a whole different scenario.
You've said what you've said, friend, and it is not what you so innocently describe this time.
Now you are simply trying to leave this argument clean of any responsibility for the things you've pointed out before.
Good day to you as well.
if you call flava bullshit, u dont know anything about breaking... go learn what real breaking is...MOO was good but you disregarding flava is just disrespect brotha
moo smoked them
Thats the problem with this mindset..
its not being thought about as an art anymore, the meaning or the culture is lost. All this 'fairness' and ratings is turning it a sport, a 'fair' way to earn money by competition. Instead of going down to have fun, vibe out, people go down to compete like a sport. And then they force in every aspect upon themselves, even if it isn't uniquely their identity.
You don't have to do every aspect to win, but the system forces it that way.
말이되냐. moo이 난이도, 시그니처, 사운드, 파워무브, 아크로바틱 모든 면에서 다 개~발랐구만.
저기있는 모든 관중이랑 심지어 3nuts 애들도 두손 다 들고 졌다고 하고 있는데, 이걸 이렇기 판정하네 ㅋㅋㅋ
3nuts 곤조 한명 빼고 나머지는 그냥 춤만추고 들어가더만 ㅋㅋㅋ
심판들이 돈주고 하는거임^*^
Only? I think that 5 is more than enough. If anything, the OUR system is there to make every bboy try to do well in as many aspects as possible, *instead* of doing rehearsed move sets.
Winning rounds with nothing but burns and attitude would simply not work nowadays. Mostly because of the standards being higher, the need to do slightly more than just pose around and throw theatricality at the opponent; and the simple lack of fairness when it comes to the hard work and time invested by bboys.
And where do you think what you refer to as "bboy flava" even came from?
As a matter of fact, you are the first and only person I've even heard of referring to this whole concept of genres of flava.
My point wasn't the fact that your absurd ideas are ridiculous. That was just a by-the-way thing.
Flava is flava - the way a bboy decides to express himself. Doesn't matter where he took his inspiration from, it matters how he incorporates it in his dance in his own unique way.
some judges will not count a move if its not fit in well with bboying. to them, it's a criteria. Maybe your definition of flava is different from my own understanding of it.
OUR system only gives 5 points max to Character,attitude&battle strategy. Its not a fair system(moves biased) you just need difficult rehearsed moves to an 8 count beat, without meaning, character, aura, and actual battling.
You can no longer win a round just with a burn as how it was. 5 points dont do justice to that.
not entirely true. it exerts Luke's Second Face of Power. Meaning that bboys come to bboying not knowing what it is all about unless they really serious about knowledge. It unconsciously shapes what they think a bboy is.
and hiphop is more than a sport its about a consciousness.
its important to be fair but the system only has one tunnel vision of "fairness". round for round is gone, and much less "talking" through the dance. Less versatility in competition style. Gives rise to checklist bboys.
Wrong, "bro."
Flava is a matter of opinion, and it can be too open to bias, claiming that someone has "more flava" than the other. That is exactly why it is not considered in the OUR judging system.
Flava is what you develop as you progress, so rest assured they all have enough of it. However, claiming that "flava" was the main factor in this battle is just pure ignorance.
Humorously enough, mostly Americans are the ones clinging to "flava" as your excuse, while you basically win nothing.
MOO is better
3 Nuts is more stylish
I'm sorry, but the MORNING OF OWL was much better!
"Flava" is a judging factor. That's why 3Nutes won. Not all "flava" is equal. Stop crying bro.
No. "Bboy flava" is not a type of bboying, it's what it is as a whole. Everything one does, regardless of what style it is, is what defines him - his flava. This whole breaking-down-into-types nonsense that you speak of is nothing close to what Ness describes. No one ever mentioned this bullshit about seperate, different brands of flava, so don't you go putting words into OG mouths.
What you say basically, is that any unique style bboy, who lacks specific "bboy flava" is not a bboy. Humorous.
the dj was on fire!! ya i think moo got robbed here... the guider chill with all your judgements of flavar and crap you're way off.
Americans invented breaking. They make the rules. 3 Nuts had more flava and 3 Nuts won. End of story.
Get off it, that "flava" bullshit ain't working anymore :)
MOO brought it hard, and took it accordingly.
I was with on everything, up until the "Americans win nothing" part. I don't know where you've been hiding but, Americans have been winning all over the place. Only major wins Koreans have lately are crew battles(4 or more members).
Everything else I agree on. MoO was easily better in this battle.
져지 돈받았거나 혹은 눈깔이없거나 둘중하나다
ㅇㅈ...;;