THESE GRADES MADE NO SENSE.. So I tried again! 20 Card PSA Return
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- A few months ago I received my worst PSA order to date. Nearly every card was 1-2 lower than what I predicted. Like a completely crazy person, I decided to hand over my money to try again, because I was CONFIDENT I had gotten screwed on this particular submission. The return in today's video includes two cards from that original order, and also 18 others (including a few snapouts from other grading companies). I will likely re-try on some of the others from the original order after seeing these results.
I learned a lot by trying this out, and I hope you do as well. Learn from my experience before attempting it yourself :)!
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I used to only use PSA and wouldn't use anyone else. They have gotten so bad with grading I used SGC and I loved it and now will not use anyone else. Better grading, better pricing, better customer service, amazing turn around time, and the slabs look great being black. Really makes the cards look nice! I would recommend SGC to everyone!
Same. PSA has been so hit or miss for me right now, and when they miss it's bad. Honestly I am not resubmitting back to PSA because I don't trust them. I been using SGC and have had great experiences so far, and will continue to use them. Just great all around and no stupid up charges and auto charges, what's not to like. Also I think for harder to find (numbered/colored) prices are on par with PSA, everything else is not. I'm not complaining I would buy a SGC 10 over a PSA 10 if someone were charging more than double for it.
SGC is great. 99% of cards look better in their slabs too.
I agree...I think PSA is the worst of ANY grader, I've never understood why people pay premiums on their inconsistent grades. Sgc 10x better
SGC slabs are ugly and PSA cards pull in more money online
@@MoneyHungryPicker I’m not selling PC cards, so I don’t care about value. But, hard disagree about the aesthetics. Every card I’ve seen in a SGC slab looks even better than raw.
What other company could
provide purposeful inaccuracy and terrible customer service and somehow get direct repeat business? Amazing the hobby not only supports these crooks but places a premium on their ugly labels and meaningless grades. At least GMA gives 10s when they misgrade a card.
Great point!!!
Been saying this for awhile, there is a dart board they use at PSA, and which ever number the dart lands, its the grade you get for your card(s). Problem is PSA knows they are the top dog in the industry, and they dont really give a F on what everyone thinks because people will continue to come back to PSA to pay double or triple to get the correct grade. 🤦♂🤦♂😢😢
No one holds PSA accountable for their inconsistent grades, so this is why we have to suffer on paying for these to be graded correctly several times. I think until people start speaking out, this will continue to happen. If you want your cards to be graded correctly the first time and consistent, SGC is the way to go(and no I m not a SGC fanboy). Its just the truth.
Wow is that pretty eye opening. Thanks for the great vid!
I stopped using PSA years ago thankfully
PSA probably had Stevie Wonder and Jeff Healey grading the past submission.
😂
Psa.. smh🤯🤬
@@carlsoncards 😎
@@stargazer4625 They either appoint blind or partially blind people as graders or drugged up people.
psa is getting very inconsitent lately, what is up with them? are the graders in bad moods? lol
Psa on the website says you’re paying for their opinion. They have well over 100 graders now so over 100 opinions. Noticed the same with SGC adding more graders. But not nearly as extreme as psa.
They all have been very inconsistent since they opened. All of them. I been saying for 20 years it’s like gambling getting your cards graded
It's a scam.
I think the PSA lunacy comes down to ineffective quality control. I’m pretty firm on the belief that most if not all of their “QC” related steps are completely made up and something to hide behind for their piss turnaround time. Thank you for shedding light on how bad they are at grading on any given day.
I believe it is more than that. PSA stated during the pandemic that they were stopping taking cards for grading and were over 2 million submissions behind. They over doubled their pricing to help the backlog and their financials. The QC issues exist at all graders that I have used, inconsistent and no explanation for it. I currently have a full set of 1986 Fleer Basketball, MJ is already graded as a 9 as is the sticker, that I want graded. I also have the 1961 Fleer BB set that I want to have finished. I have 2 of the 66 cards graded, both came back as 7's and I believe the Jerry West and Oscar Robertson cards will grade as 9's and the West looks like a possible 10 - which do not exist. I would love to have an alternative to PSA to send these too but I don't want to devalue the submission and since these will likely go to a big name auction house, they mainly want PSA. I'd appreciate any feedback.
Yikes. PSA is so bad. - WW
Thanks for checking out the video! - I still prefer them (due especially to their guarantee), but I do understand why others don’t. I’ve definitely experienced some inconsistencies lately like this, but thankfully most orders have been “accurate”/what I’ve expected.
All grading is so bad😂
Great video.... I have to wonder if the inconsistency of PSA will be their downfall in the future. I've used BGS exclusively from 2012-2021- and find them way more consistent and accurate , down to the sub grade level even. Now, i've given in; and started crossing with PSA, with several upgrades. It's crazy how much less they sell now, and how irrelevant in ultra modern they are.
Grading is a scam, IMO. Videos like this prove the point. Also why do they upcharge for cards that grade high? Value is for insurance purposes only, it is cardboard not gold bars. True value of any card is only what someone is willing to pay you for it, you cannot eat cards or defend your family with them. Junk slab era folks. Take a moment and ask....why are we paying and waiting to get a plastic case with nomenclature that WE had to enter on it. Seriously it is a total joke. Great video!!
its for the price of insuring the card for shipping not for your homeowners policy
@@soxlife6782 I understand that now, but I still wonder if they make any coin on that since they decide what the card is now worth with its unexpectedly high grade. Seems like too much discretion and power with no rebuttal ability. What if you didn't care to increase the insurance, too bad they don't give you an option, even though it is your property? Non transparent operating practices that are applied without oversight or agreement breeds dishonesty IMO. We dealers/collectors deserve better transparency. Thanks for squaring me away. Would love to see the data on what percentage of cards are lost during return shipping, my guess is way way under 1%.... And if card grades lower than expected do they chime you and say hey good news less return shipping? Do they?
@@paulwalker4772 i think your tinfoil hat is on or something. With the amount of cards they see and process mistakes are bound to happen. A few youtube videos is a miniscule fraction. I dont like PSA anymore then other people do but I dont think they are out to screw anyone. The card he got upcharged on makes sense, he said he removed the film they were grading the card as aw hole based on the film being on it so it got the low grade. The film was removed and he was given a 10. If i had to guess he valued the card based on it getting the low grade from his first submission. He essentially resubmitted a different card. What service level did he chose? What turn around time did he pay for? These are all things that factor into pricing, and my guess for the brady he thought it wouldnt grade a 10 so he paid for the 75 dollar level but then it did get a 10 and the cards value went over the 1500 dollar limit for the 75 buck level.
Got into the hobby not to long ago but really scared to grade anything. I see so many videos on the inconsistency of most of these grading companies and $20 minimum a card just seems nuts to me. Idk how it fully works but it would seems nuts to me to not have any internal review at companies like PSA for someone else to say, "Wait hold up that's not a 5, thats an 8." If you're paying that much per card, it should be included.
One option is to collect raw! Nothing wrong with it at all. Much more budget friendly. If you start stepping up to some larger $ amount cards, you could start considering grading to protect them for the long haul. I have many friends who don’t grade anything and obviously love their collections.
Part of the reason I like mine slabbed is for authenticity because some of the niche sets I collect (like 1999 finest shown in this video) can have faked/backdoor copies, but you don’t have to worry about that for most sets. - Thanks for checking out the video, and hope you find a fun niche you enjoy in the hobby!
Great PSA submission Austin! Can't wait to see the Gold Calvin run be completed.
Thanks Calvin!! 😄
Team Peel! Awesome order. Seems like your previous order was done by either a new grader or one that wasn’t experienced with the decal edges. They are hiring like crazy for graders so it unfortunately makes since that an order that needs more experience could slip through and be assigned to a newbie.
That makes sense! Sounds like you have the same hypothesis I did. Right when I saw it was these two specifically I had my assumptions ha.
Breach of contract for PSA, a good legal team would eat these pukes for breakfast. Newbie graders aren't the submitter's problem, they are the legal reason you would NOT have to pay for "professional" grading. Average Joe takes loss after loss.....
Daaaaaaangggggg man! You absolutely killed this order! Congrats to you. Love the videos so keep them coming. Hoping to post a couple videos soon as well.
Thanks so much! Appreciate that. Good luck with yours as well!
@@carlsoncards thanks so much! Us WI guys need to represent!
Just peeled my vince carter, paul pierce, mike bibby rookie refractors from 98 finest. Bubbling lowers the surface grade and the fronts are mint now 🤙🏼
Awesome, great cards! Didn’t mention in the video, but the bubbling is originally what started bothering me with all 3. I like the look much better now.
#PSA is grading TOO MANY cards!!! The accuracy of their grading has suffered.
That's awesome! I luv seeing vids like this! Killer submission 🤟
Thanks! Glad it was an enjoyable watch!
@carlsoncards 💯 enjoyable! Great job!
What a disaster. We are not seeing this w SGC. 3 grades off? Totally useless service.
I had an experience that my grader hated Lonzo Ball. It can be so inconsistent and sometimes I got a great grader who gave me tons of tens…. Thanks for sharing your experience!!!!❤❤❤
TAG grading seems like a legit new grading company with how open they are about the scores and how much they use computer scand
Great coffee mug!!
Thanks! Favorite Halloween costume we did lol. Very easy too
Up-charging.! I'll never understand how this is even legal and why anyone would ever agree to it?
The sgc 9.5s wll grade probably 75% of the time at 10 and the other 25% at a 9. Main reason is psa not having a 9.5 grade.
can you go over your process when it comes to peeling? peeling cards that are ~25+ years old can be quite risky. As for the PSA 5's, the previous grader probably saw something they thought to be a wrinkle. Heck, the wrinkle may still be there, and the second grader missed it.
i really dont like how wildly different Topps did the NFL Chrome numbering vs their MLB Chrome numbering. Black Refractors in NFL tend to be /299 where MLB is /100
ive recently started collecting a NFL retired player, and learning the different numbering is annoying haha
So 99 Finest is actually the only set I’ve ever done it with that I’m aware of. I haven’t had issues on it in terms of damaging the cards, but I’m sure other sets could be different. I actually thought the same thing about the wrinkle but looked EVERYWHERE and there just was nothing. That’s why it led to me thinking perhaps it was due to the edges for some reason. I think 7/8 was much more accurate.
Completely agree on the black numbering! That is specifically why I don’t collect them, the inconsistencies drive me nuts. They do look great in a lot of sets though to be fair.
Thats a very sweet Barry Sanders. Gold gem. Would you consider selling? Im a die hard Barry fan since his collegiate days.
Thanks! It’s definitely one buried deep in my collection. Thanks for asking though.
@@carlsoncards awe man. No problem is completely understand
I know this is an old video, but you are almost always going to get better grades when peeling as opposed to leaving the film on. The cards were most likely graded correctly the first time, but now got higher grades without the film
Actually the original grading was without film as well. The two psa 5s specifically if that’s what you were mentioning about.
Absolute gas my friend. Glad to see your resubs pay off. You you the grumpy grader last time lol
Thanks Aric! Hope you’ve been well!
@@carlsoncards hey Austin, all is well. Hope all is good with you, too. I can tell from the standpoint of the hobby you're in great shape lol.
@@aricnunez9171 lol thanks man! Yeah been buying too much though. Need to go back into hibernation on that side of things for a bit LOL
Oh and beautiful Calvin cards as well. In my eyes he is the Goat better than Jerry Rice in my opinion
Thanks!! Always a “what if” he had been a little healthier and not taken so many big hits to the legs.
I had a 2015 Finest Calvin Johnson Gold PSA 10, sold on ebay last week. Pop 2 card. Kinda missing it already :( Lol
Great video. PSA is way too inconsistent with grading. I just had a BGS 9.5 come back a PSA 7. Card is flawless. Makes zero sense. Smh
Thanks for checking it out! I’ve generally been pretty happy this year with my orders, but there’s been a couple that had me stumped (like mentioned in this one).
What’s the up charge for? Insurance purposes? I just watch you always have great cards to look at, but I’ve never understood why they can get away with up charges seems ridiculous!
Because they can. It’s criminal. It gives the company an incentive to miss grade some cards in order to make more money.
yes its for insurance purposes for when they ship the card back out to you.
Nasty sub!!! Congrats on all the 10's 💯
I got a Kobe insert with a 5 grade. Just watching a few of these videos makes me think i should snap and peel it.
These cards are just way better looking than the ultra uglies of the past few years.
I’m very biased because it’s what I collect, but I completely agree with you. Every year of every set feels very distinct and innovative in this era.
That Franco Harris is beautiful.
Thank you!!
Sweetness!
Thanks Matthew! See you in a few weeks!
Upcharges are wild
Not bad at all. Some really nice grades.
Yeah ended up being super solid!
PSA is total crap…..I wouldn’t trust them to grade my kids homework. New cards are not worth grading due to too many 10s……in my opinion, no card is perfect. I only like vintage graded (pre 1977) cards. SGC is really accurate in their grading when it comes to vintage cards.
I do not get the draw for modern cards of older players.
Typically not a fan either, but with collecting a set I’ve chosen to go after them as well. Prior to this I strictly stuck to “playing years” cards for each player!
A 5 to an 8?! Yikes.
PSA is the biggest scam in the hobby and this video proves it. PERIOD!!!
How long ago did you grade them the first time? Might have been before they started keeping track of numbered cards.
SGC SGC SGC Something happened this pass year to PSA Please Submit Again. To me this company is unethical. I’m done with this inconsistent horrible run company. There involvement with Auction house & POP Report. THey grade now too control the market. And SGC service blows PSA away Please wake up and leave these unethical company
I don't know why you all pay premium and insist grading with PSA Knowing there trash. RE - Grading their own cards and not knowing and the inconsistencies is just terrible for all collectors, no wonder people are exiting the hobby
The upcharge is so dumb. They did absolutely nothing different when grading a 100,000 dollar card from a 20 dollar card. Unfortunately, they can get away with it because PSA is what everyone wants
Just a conspiracy theory at this point. But what if PSA gives out unworthy grades for excellent condition cards just so people will crack the cases and resubmit them . I think it's a marketing strategy for PSA to make more money with the already absurd Upgrade charges. Any thoughts???
Have you (or anyone you know of where I could verify the details) ever reached out to PSA after you’ve had a card change dramatically from a PSA 7 to a PSA 10 for eg and ask for your money back for the original grading fees?
That’s not going to happen
It’s absolutely going to happen if it hasn’t already, which I’m sure it has.
Thank you, spot on, we need to hold this private for profit imaginary entity accountable. Stop acquiescing it is the move of a coward. At least stop giving your money to them, choose a better grader. The only real gem IMO is a raw card that you like in a clean one touch with uv protection. Buy the card not the grade. ;)
I dont understand why people use psa. They are horrible at actual grading, their slabs are cheap garbage, their labels are cheap garbage, they take 2-8 times longer than other companies and charge way more. Stop giving them your money.
PSA is a complete joke. Only in clown world do people get ripped off by having to pay twice for a service and, then, get all excited about it.
why does the barry sanders card with corner being off come back as a psa 10?
It wasn’t off, I learned that’s how the set is. I mistakenly thought that the corner had an issue prior to sending.
What grading level did you use? Sometimes I feel like for the value bulk, if I may be slightly over the declared $ threshold, they give it a lower grade
Damn I want that barry
Sanders didn't play in 99
Good catch, didn’t realize that. Kind of reminds me of all those cool 98 Jordan cards that came out, but he technically didn’t play that year.
This video is further proof that ALL grading companies are a scam! There is absolutely no rhyme or reason for any of the grades they give. It is all subjective.
All I can say is WTF?! 🤯
Looks like you obviously got the grader whose wife was on the rag all week, then finally an " i got a headache" the night before
Team no peel all the way!!
If psa 10 is the best grade u can get with psa what makes u think u can get a better grade 😅
It's amazing i always feel like everyone hates the inaccuracies of psa but pays a premium for them anyway. Not me..i RARELY buy anything psa.too inconsistent and the crappiest graders in the industry. Wake up people
Do you submit with card savers? That's my biggest hangup with submitting to psa, I'm terrible at putting cards in card savers
Yes I do. Definitely an acquired skill, it’s not the easiest for sure
@@carlsoncards I've literally ruined cards trying to put them in card savers, is that the only way we can submit?
yes its the only way@@j_toledo419
@@carlsoncardsI just recently submitted a card to psa, my first ever. I thought the card saver was pretty tight and might damage the card. I wrapped the card in wax paper prior to sliding it into the saver… could I have damaged the card?
Cards should be graded per card not based on price
I agree, seems like they want their cut for giving him the grade it obviously needed
I think PSA uses D&D dice to determine grades...
Proof PSA and grading in general is a scam.
Wow don’t think I’ll ever grade again
SGC grades easy now
The Peyton Manning psa10 gold sold for $640 on the 6th
Team peel
Why would anyone buy graded cards? Your PSA 10 might have been a 7 one day ago!
And this is why PSA is a joke.
it shows you psa sucks there are very bad at gradeing beckett way better
Ask for you money back that’s BS
With coating. Take it off, the card is no longer original but to each their own.
PSA 😂 biggest scam company around.
Wish they would note on why they gave the grade they did. Getting back a card that looked good, maybe an 8 at worst and was graded a 5. Will consider a crack and resub