I think one really positive aspect that was skimmed over a bit is that Type A's tend to *love* their jobs. Because how many people can say that? Their passion to succeed makes then successful, yes, but it's not empty success, it's genuine fulfillment and pride in doing something they enjoy. It's an underappreciated characteristic, considering how many people feel unsatisfied with their professions.
I absolutely agree! A full-fledged Type A Woman has completely realized their desires in life; a juvenile could merely understand how others define them for her. At least from my experience
@@Sweethearts4969 Agreed. Many of the jobs I have been able to get where I'm located have been disappointing and not at all what I imagined I'd be doing, and that lack of satisfaction has also decreased my general level of conscientiousness. In the middle of a career change now, so I can have guaranteed work I will actually like.
Emma I’m a little of in between but I really admire you. I’ve noticed that on tv they usually portray them as uptight but I always wished I was more determined.
Zoya194 YES. Get the damn therapy before you suffer from a burn out and total mental regression (it’s happened). As my mother always tells me “DON’T WASTE YOUR FUTURE!”
Honestly, I love this trope. These women are not only ambitious and successful but they usually care *so much* about the people in their lives, often keeping everything and everyone together. Amy Santiago, Monica Geller, and Leslie Knope in particular are some of my favorite characters.
Agreed, I identified SO much with these women growing up, plus Annie Edison, Topanga Lawrence and Tracy Flick. They might have anxious personalities, but at least they serve as positive role models to young girls everywhere that if they put their minds to their goals, they they can achieve ANYTHING! 👏🏾😍💪
YES!!! ive always felt so bad and "uncool" to be that organized, uptight friend who calls up the restaurant to make reservation and remind everyone of the day we meet up BUT i do take extra care to keep everyone together!!
I love neurotic women; every woman I've ever dated has been a type A neurotic, and I HATE Leslie Knope. It's weird because I used to be a huge fan of Amy Poehler but that character killed it for me.
Stop the Philosophical Zombies Leslie has flaws, but that’s part of the reason why she’s such a good character. She learns a lot throughout the series and her relationship with Ben is incredible. I respect your opinion though. Sometimes Leslie annoyed me too.
I've seen theories that Monica's anxiety stems from her parents' blatantly preferring Ross all of their lives, which led to her overcompensating and trying to please people as a result. Also, Amy has several older brothers, so she was possibly trying to get noticed as well! 🧠💜
Claire Dunphy and Leslie Knope may not have been competing with siblings, but they spent their entire childhoods trying to impress their unimpressable (is that a word?) parents. Marlene Griggs-Knope had high expectations for her daughter, and Jay Pritchett didn't really show affection or pride at all.
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 yeah, of course, he is golden boy thats why he is so entitled, i dont think he quiets fit in the narcissist personality disorder but he clearly has some issues being self center and selfish, have huge ego and thinks of others need as less important to his, he is also homofobic and well, he was a lot of issues but at least he is not malignant type, he is not bad bad, ht his personality is not on the good side either
Actually, I think Claire's relationship was more complex with her mother. I remember the episode that her mother died, Claire talks about how she didn't always have the best relationship with her mom.
As a growing female young adult, I can't thank The Take enough for shining light on this character trope, we need more driven women like the characters we watch in our favorite to show all the passionate and hard-working little girls that there's nothing wrong with being their selves.
@Paul Beleuta What does your comment have to do with mine? If you're annoyed that other people find happiness in the things they're passionate about then you're entitled to your opinion. Don't belittle other people and don't try to make associations that aren't apparent.
"What I can do is see what makes Annie awesome. She's driven. We need driven people or the lights go out and the ice cream melts." -Jeff Winger (Community)
I hate how this trope has been such a joke. I feel it's just men lauging at the fact that women have to try really hard to earn respect at their jobs and do all the work but still get overshadowed by male coworkers. Amy Santiago is a better cop than Jake Peralta, Hermione is a better witch than Harry Potter, but they portray them as just "trying to hard but just not having that natural talent". I think it's a sexist trope honestly. Miranda priestly or Elle Woods aren't part of the "neurotic" trope because their characters aren't a joke, they are positive portayals of the hardworking women.
H really is trying too hard. she was the classic unbearable grind in the first movie and has been described as 'lonely, but doesn't get how to make friends' Elle woods is deffo neurotic at times - she actually experiences an arc and has moments of self doubt. she's just in here because she's also big on conscientiousness but isn't so mired in neuroticism that it undoes her work. the trope isn't really sexist, rick moranis fits this in a lot of his roles, he just tends to play comedy so the treatment is different
You make a good point, but I wouldn't call Amy a better cop than Jake. Amy, Jake, Rosa, Charles and everyone are equal as cops - they're just _different_ in their approach and skills. If Jake tried it Amy's way, he'd fail. If Amy tried it Rosa's way, she'd fail. (Except for Hitchcock and Scully - those two are just comedically useless, lol.)
Finally, this trope gets some respect. These women characters have always been so inspirational to me (both Type-A career women and Type-A perfect housewife/trophy wife). I also possess some traits of Neuroticism and Type A personality, so I guess that makes sense
Neurotic type A woman are almost always my favorite and are inspirational to me as well despite being a man I hope you get the respect and happiness you deserve
*Please talk about close platonic relationships between women and men in film and television!* Examples: Harry and Hermione from HP, Olivia and Elliot from Law and Order, Ellie and Paul from The half of it, etc. How society views these relationships as just a building step for a romantic relationship and somewhat forces us to view them as such to the point we can even start to confuse our own feelings when we're faced with similar situations and believe we're ~in love~ with the other person. Like, yes we love them but not in that way.
Yes, please, that would be an ABSOLUTE privilege! Despite romantic relationships being more prevalent in the media, platonic friendships can be JUST as rewarding! 💖Joey and Phoebe even got their own video exploring this concept. 🥰
Examples: Black Widow and Hawkeye, Sherlock and Watson (Elementary version), Cisco and Caitlin (Flash), Shaun and Claire (Good Doctor), Wander and Sylvia....
Monica is my favorite neurotic. I never understood how people could find her character annoying, she was amazing and kind. Her high expectations helped her friends expect more from themselves. Rachel lived a life her own because of Monica, and Chandler didn’t give up on their relationship because Monica set a healthy standard for him. I think I need a friend like Monica 😩
Exactly. It hurts when some people say that she made Chandler less interesting after marriage. She only made him happier, and inspired him to follow his dream job.
I ALWAYS wanted to be the Type A women. She’s strong, passionate, true to herself and gets what she’s worked so hard for in the end. Plus she’s highly intelligent and is aware of her faults and yet uses it to her advantage... I hope to become that 1 day
i actually have such a high neuroticism that i was ranked top 1 in relations to the 5000 students of my university who took the big 5 personality survey and neuroticism was explained with many negative qualities which makes me feel so bad that day about myself but this video showing all the TV characters who are highly neurotic but one of the most lovable bringing their unique story and struggles make me feel less weird and bad about being so neurotic like nah sorry not sorry im proud of who i am and it makes me so me :) i am chatty (hence this long comment), i want to control everything, insecure, self-doubting but i care, love and it feels SO good to gain respect and love from people who truly appreciate and understand you.
I get so hurt when ppl say they don't like these characters bc I identify with them so much, I love how the trope has develop to characters like Amy and Leslie and show not only the "dark side" (which is extremely exhausting and rewarding at the same time) but how caring for their loved ones they are 😔💖
I relate to Amy Santiago so much! She is one of the best characters because she is very funny and loving but also strong and ambitious. But I also relate to annie edison on a spiritual level, because sometimes I am as crazy as she is
I feel like type A women are the most common portrayal of women in the media? Particularly type a women whose partners are type b males. I really wish we could see more type b women in film because women aren't allowed to be as boistrous or laid back as men in most shows (of course I love all well-written women though, type a, b, or whatever). I'd like to see more type a men as well!
I kind of wonder what Bridget Jones would be. Although I hope they do a video about the white and class privilege that Bridget enjoys (like a working class or woman of color cannot feel they can mess up like her and afford the lifestyle she has)
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 well, that's not always the case. I'm a brown girl, whose experienced a lot of racism and discrimination. But personality wise, it's not true that I always feel the need to be perfect? Maybe that's because I'm middle class, but while I do want to prove myself more than the average person I don't go about it in the type-a way that most women on tv do. That's just not my nature.
I agree, this type of woman reminds me of a lot of the essays Jia Tolentino wrote about in Trick Mirror. Usually this woman is striving for socially acceptable goals which can be why they keep popping up. Nothing wrong with these women. But then it does give me gilded cage vibes.
I agree. When there's a partnership in work or the couple is parents the women is the responsible one while the man gets to be the rule breaker or creative one with almost no exceptions.
@@Summerzbreezee you kind of put into words why I've always sympathized more with Britta than Annie in Community. While the show goes on, the spotlight turns to Annie (the traditionally feminine overachiever who dreams about a perfect marriage) and leaves Britta (the messy, politically engaged one that doesn't need a Big Girl Job or other marks of social adequacy) in the shadows. The first one gets development and a storyline by the time the show ends, while the other becomes a punchline every now and then at best.
“For years, I had used these fractured men to justify my cynicism and workaholism, and the grief, insomnia and casual anorexia were no longer of any interest to me.” ― Antonella Gambotto-Burke
This character isn't uniform though. Some are just normal, driven women like Leslie Knope or Amy Santiago. But some others are insufferable, domineering characters who are utterly unbearable in real life (like Rachel Berry from Glee). I've worked with people like the latter in the past - they're not just ambitious winners, they're aggressive and can be very toxic to collaborate with. It's easy to justify being rude af to others if you pretend you're doing it to emulate Monica Geller or something (even though Monica herself is a lovely character). Point is - Rachels and Leslies are in no way the same.
@@bellatrixevans good rant tho, no one want a rude person to scream at you no matter how smart they are ( malcom) they prefer to deal with the neurotic episodes if directed at work rather than people ( leslie)
Could you guys maybe do a video about how manipulation in a relationship is often seen as romantic even though it is definitely red flag behavior? For example in How I met your mother when barney manipulated Robin into marrying him.
I kinda think you missed the point with Britta and Annie dynamics. They don't exchange their roles, they find their own path and inner true self. Annie gains self-confidence, but she never turns into a Cool Girl. In the Labyrinth episode she's still her type-A self as in many other ones. A confident and Leslie-like. Britta starts revealing her uptight, passionate, caring and idk alive side from the middle of season 1, then she just gets more quirky and loses the role of the carrot for Jeff's development. Which is good. And the reason Jeff never seriously falls for Annie isn't her type. It's first of all her age and the issues he has.
In the episode where they film Abed’s sci-fi movie, I kind of loved that Annie was over-sexualizing herself and Britta was so annoyed. I had to pause and think about it. Annie never expressed feminist views and in fact is pretty traditional. As a feminist, it was confusing to see a highly intelligent, driven woman who does not carry that view. It was nice to see a different combination of traits that still feels true to Annie. And that she has a different view than Britta or else it would seem that the show itself has a bias/view rather than each character.
"Stems from an era when women had very little power / control in their lives"..... ohhhhhh the baggaaahhhhge. It's true Type A's are inspiring, I've been called one myself. But They can run themselves ragged. Even Hermione had done this when she was thirteen. And decided to make some sacrifices in her life to prioritize what she felt was most important to her, instead of caring about everything all the time. And whay would Harry and Ron do without Hermione? They'd die. They'd die multiple times a semester. It's healthy to think of your strong traits as just that - your strong traits. And when you do excess of a good thing, it can be bad, for you, for others.
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As I child I grew up with many "Cool Girls" as a role model and tried to emulate their behavior. After my teenage years I got into my first relationship and found out that I'm not such a Cool Girl as I thought. I'm still suffering from my neurotical type A tendencies, but I'm no longer ashamed of them :)
Both the type A neurotic and the cool girl, both exist in real life, however it doesn't mean that they are always two separate people. Sometimes the type a women can into the cool girl when she learns to relax and let go alittle.
And conversely a cool girl can be a type A girl bc she is used to being at the top of the social hierarchy bc she is used to being so desirable and will do anything to say there, making her need for control heighten even more
No way.... cool girl never get angry, cool girl never speak her mind, cool girl neber go againts the dude she dates wishes....i guess you are thinking of being cool in general, not the throphe "coolGirlTM"
one thing I wished this video at least mentioned was how type A/ type B personalities aren't considered useful psychological terms anymore no actual person fits perfectly into this trope it's a simplification of the internal lives of women
I´ve always identified the most with this trope and I find it weird/curious how rarely men are shown with these qualities; actually, sometimes my friends call me "the mom of the pack" haha. I would like to see more men being the "type A kind" in a positive light, because there are many of us and we (female and male Hermiones) are the ones who usually get things done (sorry Harry, it´s the truth). As always, excellent video!
Before all of this gals, I had my sister. Classic overachiever. Incredibly marks at the cost of constant anxiety and terror. She'd have a total meltdown before a test and then get 97 percent on it. Never seemed worth it to me, but then again, I'm a coaster and got good enough marks without trying. All my life, I worried about her losing her mind. Luckily, she survived long enough to catch up with herself. I still worry a little, but she seems to have mellowed out. Of course, she's a stratospheric level civil servant too, which no doubt helps.:)
7:22 that scene is really sad because because that basically what Rory's relationship with her mother is like. Thats why Huntzberger said she would make a good assistant, she spent her whole like managing the neurotic people around her and that's all she could do
I find I always relate to these women the most I feel I share alot of personality traits, which can be a pro and con! I find myself hardworking but also my anxiety can be hard to handle - but like most people I relate to multiple character tropes this is just one side of me, I also relate to the quirky girl trope lol because I do love chaos randomness as much as I love structure and planning ahead - but in life moderation is key - balance and appreciation
I’m sad Joan from Girlfriends wasn’t included in this. I would love to see a take video on any of the characters from Girlfriends (if not all of them lol).
15:31 ohhh that sounded goooooood. It really moved me. Now seriously, I’ve always looked up to the Type A characters and yearned to be like them. They’re often successful in their careers and their perfection over everything really got my attention. I guess I’ve always thought of myself as high maintenance , super quirky and passionate (mostly because my friends always tell me so), and the trope has encouraged me to be as ambitious and driven as them. But the thing with the trope is that it’s often a joke and often normalizes ocd or anxiety as essential attributes. Even though I know it’s a joke, I thought I wasn’t as good or as driven as them because I didn’t have all my ideas organized in different binders lol
While I love Leslie knolp, Rachel berry (in turn Leah Michelle) is simply detestable. Even the gym teacher wasn’t as bad as her in both ego and behavior.
Ugh noticeable how most of the most heavily featured characters in this are Jewish. The neurotic woman and mama's boy man are pretty much the only representation we get. Rebecca Bunch is another example. Would love a video on Jewish stereotypes in media.
@@joonamato Monica Geller, Paris Geller, and I think but am not certain the characters in Girls. Some others featured don't have canon religions but are coded as Jewish.
I mean the amount ofJewish actors in Hollywood is fairly high, so maybe it's a coincidence. As a brown person, I WISH we could have representation, ANY kind, period. Hardly any Latinas, Arabs, Indians, Polynesians, Asians, etc. I've seen beautiful representation of Jewish woman as always fashionable, tough, sexy, but also poised, as well as light-hearted, sometimes driven, sometimes easy-going, sometimes magical, sometimes straight, sometimes gay: Katy Kane as Batwoman, Fran Fine in The Nanny, Ilana Glazer and Abby Jacobson in Broad City, Frances "Baby" Houseman in Dirty Dancing, Cher Horowitz in Clueless, Dharma Finkelstein in Dharma & Greg, Grace Adler in Will & Grace, Beverly Goldberg in The Goldbergs, Willow Rosenberg in Buffy, Midge Maisel in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Ronit in Disobedience, Rhoda Morgenstern on Rhoda, Fanny Brice in Funny Girl and EVERY other character Barbara Streisand has played. I can go on and on, including male characters. Darling, you're spoiled for choice.
@@YourMajesty143 Hi, the idea that Jews are over-represented in Hollywood or control Hollywood is antisemitic and incorrect. Please don't repeat it. Those characters you all list are all similar characters that reinforce narrow and inaccurate stereotypes about us - like the neurotic Type A types I originally commented about. Everything you're saying is reinforcing my point, not counteracting it. For example, all the people you listed are white even though most Jews globally are Brown. Please educate yourself on what antisemitic tropes are and how you're perpetuating them right now.
Ok I love this video. Leslie Knope is my idol and I've always told people if they need a character to compare me to, there she is. My only issue with this video is they say that this woman is "undeniably high maintenance" because she nags about commitment, cares if you leave the dishes in the sink, and obsesses over her career. Let's reconsider our definition of high maintenance... Personally, being concerned about your career and wanting commitment from your partner are NOT qualities I would label as high maintenance. High standards does not equal high maintenance. And actually, I'm down to just get rid of this idea of "high maintenance" altogether.
Thank you for covering this! I love this archetype - these women are always my favourites, largely because I see a lot of myself in them, even though I am nowhere near as accomplished or meticulous. Jane from Happy Endings and Madison from Dollface are two of my favourite Type A ladies! And of course, Paris - the real MVP of Gilmore Girls.
I love that you included Margaret from MASH! As the token lady in a show, she had to deal with a lot. That show is seriously underrated now, and could be the source for multiple takes regarding war and masculine toxicity.
Im more type B but look up to the Leslie Knopes of the world. When my public service works makes me feel beat down, I remember them and feel inspired to keep going
I just watched this video and cried. Growing up I always felt I needed to be the cool girl to be liked and to be interesting. This video helped me look at myself in a whole new light, understanding that the things I had always considered as negative traits can actually be good. THANK YOU
When was Hermione ever in this group? She's never shown to be neurotic or self-doubtful in her experiences. Probably one of the most confident and competent kids in the story.
She actually kinda is, she really gets desperate or jealous when thinks doesn’t go that much as she wants, like when Harry did better in poisons or she didn’t do good in adivination, she also took ALL the clases
@@isabellasimonetti6126 and her boggart was a version of Professor McGonagall telling her that she failed everything. Book Hermione is 100% the neurotic type A girl and incredibly relatable because of it. The problem here is that the movies turned her into a wholesome character that never fails.
Now being the "perfect woman" is caring a lot, keeping everything clean, having a healthy routine, loving your job, AND seeming completely laid back and chill about everything
When I first clicked on this video I was expecting to feel personally attacked. Haha I'm glad it was positive! I do try really hard not to let things get to me but I do occasionally lose it over things not going the way I planned. It's something I've always struggled with in my life but I like to think I've gotten better. The only thing I want to point out is we're not all "uptight sexually". But I do feel a need to always be in control. Luckily my husband likes to be dominated and told what to do. I've never really had sexual hang ups.
This is a beautifully executed video essay. I feel like I’ve come to appreciate some of these qualities I share with Type A Neurotic women and can better understand myself.
I love these characters; is there anything more endearing and exciting than seeing someone be passionate about something? It’s so nice to watch someone talking about something they really care about and these women are great for that. You can’t test yourself away from Amy talking about binders, it’s just so heartwarming.
I am exactly this kind of person (although I've been working on taking things more lightly) and I love Amy Santiago and Monica Geller (Leslie and Hermione get on my nerves at times), but I think there's another reason this trope is female and comes from these 1950s-ish family shows. This is the wife you had to be. The mistress is always nagging on you, right? Well, that's because she has to keep the perfect house and family for you. Women who did not bother so much with these things were not model wives. The early career woman version also reflects extra pressure on women: how often did women who were not perfectionists and workaholics get positions higher than a secretary? Men could be laid-back naturally talented bosses, but would a woman get ahead without struggling and demanding recognition in the 1980s? Even nowadays, it's not very common. This is why I especially dislike the natural pairing with the man-baby, because you know in reality she is being a mom-wife. Unless they develop the couple as the man raising himself up to match her and the woman realizing she can calm down a little because there's someone dependable with whom she can share the burden and have fun. I really like how Leslie was paired with another ambitious grown-up, who made a lot of sense for her.
This pairing trope of a man baby with a type A girl gets broken a bit down by the end of Brooklyn nine nine when Jake leaves the job in order to raise their son while Amy moves ahead with her career. He still is childish( his spending habits) and chaotic, but if you see closely Amy does chaotic things too although with a bit of patience or lack thereof. And I am just so happy that a sitcom is headed by a Type A girl in Parks and Recreation ( and if you consider Monica as fulcrum of Friends) .
Representative Katie Porter is my heroine of Congress. Believe it or not, she elevates the dignity and professionalism of the House of Representatives by doing her homework and asking pinpoint questions, and holding herself accountable. Her opponents could see her as neurotic, but she's so down to earth: "I'm a single mom with three kids, dinner is burning, I'm late to something, I don't have time for bs." Is there a different category for her, because I don't see her as neurotic, but competent. Perhaps there's another category: The Katie Porter
I disagree with the statement the "cool girls is largely a male fantasy." I've met just as many breezy, go with the flow women with chill personalities, who like things guys like as I have neurotic controlling women. Not that neurotic women are somehow false or bad, but I think its kind of rude to say these women are more three dimensional than "cool girls" who's traits happen to also appeal to some sort of fantasy. Sometimes people are just PEOPLE.
Have you actually met that many free spirited women? The whole poiny of the cool girl monologue is that tons of women feel pressured into pretending to be okay with things and go with the flow when they really arent. So how many of those women were faking it? Impossible to tell
@@marzipan2555 I've met TONS of free spirited women! And they are free spirited and cool on their OWN terms and SOMETIMES GUYS LIKE THAT. But they sure as heck aren't doing it FOR a guy. They're just being themselves. And if you're feeling societal pressure to act "okay" and "cool" when you're not, then its up to you to be honest about it instead of blaming other "cool girls" or representations of "cool girls."
Take Two sounds awesome cuz when I see really good video essays that are made by teams I always wonder how they were able to agree on what to say. When I talk about media with anyone else, even with my closest friends, it always surprises me how wildly different our reads can be. A lot of times it's actually really awesome though cuz you usually end up gaining a deeper understanding and appreciation for the piece, AND the person you're talking to.
Type A characters are usually the most funny people in a sitcom. Sometimes they can be seem boring but when it's their time to shine they are usually the funny one. ( And Monica Geller, Amy Santiago, Leslie Knope and Annie Edison in a thumbmail is the thing that made me click the video in the first place HAHAHAHA)
I identify with this. I did a psychological evaluation and the psychologist suspected that I have O.C.D. I'm afraid that people find me annoying and weird. My family tries to pressure me to do things they like or give me a hard time for not liking stuff I find obnoxious like Hallmark movies and facials. They can enjoy them if they want, but I don't want to be judged, forced to do them, or made to feel guilty for not liking them.
Yup, that's me. This pandemic has sent me down a self-inflicted shame spiral. Where did I go wrong? Have I not made the right choices? Have I not planned enough? Why am I losing my job? Have I not worked hard enough to keep this company in-demand? How could I not have seen this coming?
I watched this with bated breath as I suspected this would define me! Now I can breathe knowing that there is a light at the end of the tunnel I AINT SO BAD AFTER ALL😊
Doing what you love most brings out the type a in you, if you’re lucky to find your true passion soon or at all, i’m sure more people could fit under this type
ambition + anxiety is probably the most realistic portrayal of women...i cant speak for all women but i certainly accredit my drive to my anxious fear of failure
You all should explore mixing in some shots of you actually talk to each other / the camera. It's ultimately more engaging for the audience than 100% voice over stills and clips, so might help you grow your audience even more! It would be nice to connect even more with the folks behind The Take as people expressing their opinions & well thought-out analyses than faceless, nameless, "big brother" voice over...
Hi could you analyze The Meyerowitz Stories and the implications of how childhood is relevant in adulthood. In addition to how difficult it is for children to admit that parents sometimes act badly
I recognized this type of personality in Ruth from Snowpiercer (the series). She also becomes very trustworthy, reliable and likable by the end of season 2. Although in the beginning she is almost a caricature, she proves to be someone you really want at your side, when things go down.
I love this take! I think the Type A Neurotic trope as of late, has taken traditionally "annoying feminine" characteristics - like being organized and having colorful binders, or going the extra mile to show your loved ones you care by giving them extravagant gifts - and put a positive spin on it. We're shown that these characteristics are what make women successful - like Amy becoming Sargeant or Leslie winning the election. The fact that they tirelessly immerse themselves in their work puts them ahead of the rest. The neurotic type-A never misses a chance to show her friends that she cares, which allows her to build some of the strongest relationships in her life and results in them ALWAYS having her back. As someone whose personality is easily influenced by her media consumption, I wanted to be the "cool girl" for as long as I can remember because that's what the movies portrayed as successful... and likable, in a twisted way. Someone who's naturally good at their career because of their emotionally guarded persona (think Sherlock or House MD). But this trope teaches us that true success and strong relationships stem from caring deeply and working hard (this was actually outlined in one of the Take's videos and it's stuck with me ever since). I'm so glad that Leslies, Monicas, and Amys are gaining traction in media because it's taught me to appreciate working really hard to be successful. The toxic traits of these women are not abstracted -which makes them all the more real and "role model"-like. Power to your neuroticism xD
I have a problem with the constant pushing for this character to 'relax' and be more than the cool girl. Yes, balance is nice but if her traits aren't hurting her, I feel it's ok for her to keep them
I think one really positive aspect that was skimmed over a bit is that Type A's tend to *love* their jobs. Because how many people can say that? Their passion to succeed makes then successful, yes, but it's not empty success, it's genuine fulfillment and pride in doing something they enjoy. It's an underappreciated characteristic, considering how many people feel unsatisfied with their professions.
I absolutely agree! A full-fledged Type A Woman has completely realized their desires in life; a juvenile could merely understand how others define them for her. At least from my experience
most are unsatisfied with their jobs cause they never choose one they wanted to stay at forever, they chose what they could get these days
That's interesting and I wonder if is also a factor for people not liking them as they may envy that quality of them
@@Sweethearts4969 Agreed. Many of the jobs I have been able to get where I'm located have been disappointing and not at all what I imagined I'd be doing, and that lack of satisfaction has also decreased my general level of conscientiousness. In the middle of a career change now, so I can have guaranteed work I will actually like.
I love how much Leslie Knope loves her job and is dedicated to her job
Type A Women are always my favorite character in the shows, and I tend to admire them, while all my friends hate them... Wonder why
Same
Every woman I've ever dated has been neurotic type A. I guess it's my type.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 i think i just like seeing myself represented on the screen 🥴
SAME
Emma I’m a little of in between but I really admire you. I’ve noticed that on tv they usually portray them as uptight but I always wished I was more determined.
I felt so called out for 17 minutes straight. I thought I was back in therapy
SAME. XD
Hahaha 😂 Same minus the therapy. Wait. Do I need therapy ?
Omg God me too.
Zoya194 YES. Get the damn therapy before you suffer from a burn out and total mental regression (it’s happened). As my mother always tells me “DON’T WASTE YOUR FUTURE!”
SAMEEEE JAJAJJS I just didn't had a straight name for myself until I saw this😂
Honestly, I love this trope. These women are not only ambitious and successful but they usually care *so much* about the people in their lives, often keeping everything and everyone together. Amy Santiago, Monica Geller, and Leslie Knope in particular are some of my favorite characters.
Agreed, I identified SO much with these women growing up, plus Annie Edison, Topanga Lawrence and Tracy Flick. They might have anxious personalities, but at least they serve as positive role models to young girls everywhere that if they put their minds to their goals, they they can achieve ANYTHING! 👏🏾😍💪
They're not really the kind of women you want in your life, but the kind that you really need.
YES!!! ive always felt so bad and "uncool" to be that organized, uptight friend who calls up the restaurant to make reservation and remind everyone of the day we meet up BUT i do take extra care to keep everyone together!!
Me too! I was compared to Amy once and it was the best compliment ever!
i like Claire Dunphy...
Who could ever dislike Leslie Knope, a waffle aficionado? Clearly a woman of taste.
I love neurotic women; every woman I've ever dated has been a type A neurotic, and I HATE Leslie Knope. It's weird because I used to be a huge fan of Amy Poehler but that character killed it for me.
Stop the Philosophical Zombies why?
clearly the dude at the bowling alley has no taste.
Creator of one of my favourite holidays too - Galentine's Day!
Stop the Philosophical Zombies Leslie has flaws, but that’s part of the reason why she’s such a good character. She learns a lot throughout the series and her relationship with Ben is incredible. I respect your opinion though. Sometimes Leslie annoyed me too.
I've seen theories that Monica's anxiety stems from her parents' blatantly preferring Ross all of their lives, which led to her overcompensating and trying to please people as a result. Also, Amy has several older brothers, so she was possibly trying to get noticed as well! 🧠💜
I think it mentions that Amy and her brothers are arranged (their photos) into the order of who makes their parents proudest and she was always secind
Claire Dunphy and Leslie Knope may not have been competing with siblings, but they spent their entire childhoods trying to impress their unimpressable (is that a word?) parents. Marlene Griggs-Knope had high expectations for her daughter, and Jay Pritchett didn't really show affection or pride at all.
I guess that explains Ross's entitled nice guy tendencies?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 yeah, of course, he is golden boy thats why he is so entitled, i dont think he quiets fit in the narcissist personality disorder but he clearly has some issues being self center and selfish, have huge ego and thinks of others need as less important to his, he is also homofobic and well, he was a lot of issues but at least he is not malignant type, he is not bad bad, ht his personality is not on the good side either
Actually, I think Claire's relationship was more complex with her mother. I remember the episode that her mother died, Claire talks about how she didn't always have the best relationship with her mom.
As a growing female young adult, I can't thank The Take enough for shining light on this character trope, we need more driven women like the characters we watch in our favorite to show all the passionate and hard-working little girls that there's nothing wrong with being their selves.
yasss i agree! passionate and hard-working little girls always get shit for being bossy, annoying and difficult!
@Paul Beleuta What does your comment have to do with mine? If you're annoyed that other people find happiness in the things they're passionate about then you're entitled to your opinion. Don't belittle other people and don't try to make associations that aren't apparent.
@Paul Beleuta Alright dude, agree to disagree then.
"What I can do is see what makes Annie awesome. She's driven. We need driven people or the lights go out and the ice cream melts."
-Jeff Winger (Community)
We need more positive male role models
I'll never understand why everyone hated Monica. She was the only likeable character on that show.
Thank you
She is my fav character alongside Chandler
not the only likeable character, but the most likeable honestly
She and chandler.
Pheobe?
I hate how this trope has been such a joke. I feel it's just men lauging at the fact that women have to try really hard to earn respect at their jobs and do all the work but still get overshadowed by male coworkers. Amy Santiago is a better cop than Jake Peralta, Hermione is a better witch than Harry Potter, but they portray them as just "trying to hard but just not having that natural talent". I think it's a sexist trope honestly. Miranda priestly or Elle Woods aren't part of the "neurotic" trope because their characters aren't a joke, they are positive portayals of the hardworking women.
THIS PART!!
H really is trying too hard. she was the classic unbearable grind in the first movie and has been described as 'lonely, but doesn't get how to make friends'
Elle woods is deffo neurotic at times - she actually experiences an arc and has moments of self doubt. she's just in here because she's also big on conscientiousness but isn't so mired in neuroticism that it undoes her work.
the trope isn't really sexist, rick moranis fits this in a lot of his roles, he just tends to play comedy so the treatment is different
It's sexist to think only men are laughing 😂
They’re not the main characters in any of your examples tho. Everyone gets overshadowed by the main character for obvious reasons.
You make a good point, but I wouldn't call Amy a better cop than Jake. Amy, Jake, Rosa, Charles and everyone are equal as cops - they're just _different_ in their approach and skills. If Jake tried it Amy's way, he'd fail. If Amy tried it Rosa's way, she'd fail.
(Except for Hitchcock and Scully - those two are just comedically useless, lol.)
Finally, this trope gets some respect. These women characters have always been so inspirational to me (both Type-A career women and Type-A perfect housewife/trophy wife). I also possess some traits of Neuroticism and Type A personality, so I guess that makes sense
Neurotic type A woman are almost always my favorite and are inspirational to me as well despite being a man I hope you get the respect and happiness you deserve
Same, I also possess type a traits and i'm pretty proud of it.
*Please talk about close platonic relationships between women and men in film and television!*
Examples: Harry and Hermione from HP, Olivia and Elliot from Law and Order, Ellie and Paul from The half of it, etc.
How society views these relationships as just a building step for a romantic relationship and somewhat forces us to view them as such to the point we can even start to confuse our own feelings when we're faced with similar situations and believe we're ~in love~ with the other person. Like, yes we love them but not in that way.
Yes, please, that would be an ABSOLUTE privilege! Despite romantic relationships being more prevalent in the media, platonic friendships can be JUST as rewarding! 💖Joey and Phoebe even got their own video exploring this concept. 🥰
Alec and Ellie from Broadchurch!
Examples:
Black Widow and Hawkeye, Sherlock and Watson (Elementary version), Cisco and Caitlin (Flash), Shaun and Claire (Good Doctor), Wander and Sylvia....
@@trinaq I know right! I'd love to see a more in depth video about it
@@CCLOSPINA thank you
Monica is my favorite neurotic. I never understood how people could find her character annoying, she was amazing and kind. Her high expectations helped her friends expect more from themselves. Rachel lived a life her own because of Monica, and Chandler didn’t give up on their relationship because Monica set a healthy standard for him. I think I need a friend like Monica 😩
Exactly. It hurts when some people say that she made Chandler less interesting after marriage. She only made him happier, and inspired him to follow his dream job.
Um, it's worth pointing out that Jeff wasn't initially interested in Annie because SHE IS A TEENAGER and he's in his 30s.
WE DONT SEXUALIZE ANNIE UNTIL SEASON 2!!!
true poet how old is Annie supposed to be?
@@clairewillow6475 Annie and Troy are recent high school graduates in the start of season 1, so 18 or 19. Jeff is around 35.
Claire Willow shes 24 in season 6. So 18 in season 1
moonlily1 ahh ok so about a 17 year age gap
I ALWAYS wanted to be the Type A women. She’s strong, passionate, true to herself and gets what she’s worked so hard for in the end. Plus she’s highly intelligent and is aware of her faults and yet uses it to her advantage... I hope to become that 1 day
I’m more of a type A, but I’m also a fantastic procrastinator, which only adds to my anxiety 🤦♀️
same
This is so me
i actually have such a high neuroticism that i was ranked top 1 in relations to the 5000 students of my university who took the big 5 personality survey and neuroticism was explained with many negative qualities which makes me feel so bad that day about myself but this video showing all the TV characters who are highly neurotic but one of the most lovable bringing their unique story and struggles make me feel less weird and bad about being so neurotic like nah sorry not sorry im proud of who i am and it makes me so me :) i am chatty (hence this long comment), i want to control everything, insecure, self-doubting but i care, love and it feels SO good to gain respect and love from people who truly appreciate and understand you.
Oh my god! I think I am this trope😂 everythig makes sense now
Yeah... The neurosis is not what makes these personalities "attractive." Quite the opposite.
@@ayanomar1408 hehe i know its like im reading a horoscope and everything makes sense!
Me too, and I really respect and adore all these characters :D feels good :D
I relate to this trope. I feel you sister. Today, I still think that I don't deserve the final examination marks I got
I get so hurt when ppl say they don't like these characters bc I identify with them so much, I love how the trope has develop to characters like Amy and Leslie and show not only the "dark side" (which is extremely exhausting and rewarding at the same time) but how caring for their loved ones they are 😔💖
are they nasty to the people they identify as enemies though?
I relate to Amy Santiago so much! She is one of the best characters because she is very funny and loving but also strong and ambitious. But I also relate to annie edison on a spiritual level, because sometimes I am as crazy as she is
I feel like type A women are the most common portrayal of women in the media? Particularly type a women whose partners are type b males. I really wish we could see more type b women in film because women aren't allowed to be as boistrous or laid back as men in most shows (of course I love all well-written women though, type a, b, or whatever). I'd like to see more type a men as well!
I kind of wonder what Bridget Jones would be. Although I hope they do a video about the white and class privilege that Bridget enjoys (like a working class or woman of color cannot feel they can mess up like her and afford the lifestyle she has)
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 well, that's not always the case. I'm a brown girl, whose experienced a lot of racism and discrimination. But personality wise, it's not true that I always feel the need to be perfect? Maybe that's because I'm middle class, but while I do want to prove myself more than the average person I don't go about it in the type-a way that most women on tv do. That's just not my nature.
I agree, this type of woman reminds me of a lot of the essays Jia Tolentino wrote about in Trick Mirror. Usually this woman is striving for socially acceptable goals which can be why they keep popping up. Nothing wrong with these women. But then it does give me gilded cage vibes.
I agree. When there's a partnership in work or the couple is parents the women is the responsible one while the man gets to be the rule breaker or creative one with almost no exceptions.
@@Summerzbreezee you kind of put into words why I've always sympathized more with Britta than Annie in Community. While the show goes on, the spotlight turns to Annie (the traditionally feminine overachiever who dreams about a perfect marriage) and leaves Britta (the messy, politically engaged one that doesn't need a Big Girl Job or other marks of social adequacy) in the shadows. The first one gets development and a storyline by the time the show ends, while the other becomes a punchline every now and then at best.
“For years, I had used these fractured men to justify my cynicism and workaholism, and the grief, insomnia and casual anorexia were no longer of any interest to me.”
― Antonella Gambotto-Burke
I'm really digging these quotes, and love how they manage to be applicable to each and every video! 📹♥️
@@trinaq I understand
casual anorexia, i have so many questions - it's got a real marla singer vibe
This character isn't uniform though. Some are just normal, driven women like Leslie Knope or Amy Santiago. But some others are insufferable, domineering characters who are utterly unbearable in real life (like Rachel Berry from Glee). I've worked with people like the latter in the past - they're not just ambitious winners, they're aggressive and can be very toxic to collaborate with. It's easy to justify being rude af to others if you pretend you're doing it to emulate Monica Geller or something (even though Monica herself is a lovely character). Point is - Rachels and Leslies are in no way the same.
Tropes are flexible.
There are subcategories to this. The good ones (Leslie Knope, Monica Geller) and the bad ones (Rachel Berry)
@@kimifw58 True, that's what I was trying to say, albeit as more of a rant lol
@@bellatrixevans good rant tho, no one want a rude person to scream at you no matter how smart they are ( malcom) they prefer to deal with the neurotic episodes if directed at work rather than people ( leslie)
Could you guys maybe do a video about how manipulation in a relationship is often seen as romantic even though it is definitely red flag behavior? For example in How I met your mother when barney manipulated Robin into marrying him.
They did most of himym characters
I kinda think you missed the point with Britta and Annie dynamics.
They don't exchange their roles, they find their own path and inner true self. Annie gains self-confidence, but she never turns into a Cool Girl. In the Labyrinth episode she's still her type-A self as in many other ones. A confident and Leslie-like.
Britta starts revealing her uptight, passionate, caring and idk alive side from the middle of season 1, then she just gets more quirky and loses the role of the carrot for Jeff's development. Which is good.
And the reason Jeff never seriously falls for Annie isn't her type. It's first of all her age and the issues he has.
In the episode where they film Abed’s sci-fi movie, I kind of loved that Annie was over-sexualizing herself and Britta was so annoyed. I had to pause and think about it. Annie never expressed feminist views and in fact is pretty traditional.
As a feminist, it was confusing to see a highly intelligent, driven woman who does not carry that view. It was nice to see a different combination of traits that still feels true to Annie. And that she has a different view than Britta or else it would seem that the show itself has a bias/view rather than each character.
"Stems from an era when women had very little power / control in their lives"..... ohhhhhh the baggaaahhhhge. It's true Type A's are inspiring, I've been called one myself. But They can run themselves ragged. Even Hermione had done this when she was thirteen. And decided to make some sacrifices in her life to prioritize what she felt was most important to her, instead of caring about everything all the time. And whay would Harry and Ron do without Hermione? They'd die. They'd die multiple times a semester. It's healthy to think of your strong traits as just that - your strong traits. And when you do excess of a good thing, it can be bad, for you, for others.
Leslie Knope was such a revelation for me as a teenager, I still aspire to be her level of good friend and career badass
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Can you please do the girl and boy duo
Wow that's amazing! Congrats 👏
Congratulations guys you deserve this and a lot more! You're channel is amazing and has inspired to pay more attention to what I watch ❤️
Please make a video about soldiers and war
Congratulations on your new channel, I'll definitely be sure to check it out! 💖🥰
There is no better type A woman than Leslie Knope
I would die for Leslie Knope, she is such an inspiration for me
@@pleasecalmdown1864 agreed, I'd do the same
All neurotic type a women are amazing! 😍🥰
As I child I grew up with many "Cool Girls" as a role model and tried to emulate their behavior. After my teenage years I got into my first relationship and found out that I'm not such a Cool Girl as I thought. I'm still suffering from my neurotical type A tendencies, but I'm no longer ashamed of them :)
Both the type A neurotic and the cool girl, both exist in real life, however it doesn't mean that they are always two separate people. Sometimes the type a women can into the cool girl when she learns to relax and let go alittle.
And conversely a cool girl can be a type A girl bc she is used to being at the top of the social hierarchy bc she is used to being so desirable and will do anything to say there, making her need for control heighten even more
I love the movie Booksmart because that’s what the movie is trying to show you!!
No way.... cool girl never get angry, cool girl never speak her mind, cool girl neber go againts the dude she dates wishes....i guess you are thinking of being cool in general, not the throphe "coolGirlTM"
one thing I wished this video at least mentioned was how type A/ type B personalities aren't considered useful psychological terms anymore no actual person fits perfectly into this trope it's a simplification of the internal lives of women
I´ve always identified the most with this trope and I find it weird/curious how rarely men are shown with these qualities; actually, sometimes my friends call me "the mom of the pack" haha. I would like to see more men being the "type A kind" in a positive light, because there are many of us and we (female and male Hermiones) are the ones who usually get things done (sorry Harry, it´s the truth). As always, excellent video!
i feel called out by this trope...
Me too, now I know why I identify with nearly ALL of the women featured in this video: I AM them, and they are me! 😮🤣
I would also like to drop in Claire from Fleabag into this pool.
Yes! She needed to be here as well
Clair Dunphy
Amy Santiago
Monica Geller
Hermione Granger
Some of my favourite fictional characters!
This is great can do the sexy Latino man and women trope in movies and show.
Half expected to see that scene of Paris Gellar from Gilmore Girls breaking down on the podium because she didn’t get into Harvard..
Before all of this gals, I had my sister. Classic overachiever. Incredibly marks at the cost of constant anxiety and terror. She'd have a total meltdown before a test and then get 97 percent on it. Never seemed worth it to me, but then again, I'm a coaster and got good enough marks without trying. All my life, I worried about her losing her mind. Luckily, she survived long enough to catch up with herself. I still worry a little, but she seems to have mellowed out. Of course, she's a stratospheric level civil servant too, which no doubt helps.:)
Still asking for the Hot exotic (other than white) girl trope 🙏🏼
Amy is kind of a stand out in the sense that every man who's ever showed interest in her, can not get over her
Of course who wouldnt fall in love with amy santiago
This is true for Leslie ... remember when she dated a cop before Ben came into the scene?
I loved this! But can we get a video about Briita's character development? Or lack thereof
7:22 that scene is really sad because because that basically what Rory's relationship with her mother is like. Thats why Huntzberger said she would make a good assistant, she spent her whole like managing the neurotic people around her and that's all she could do
I score highly in trait "neuroticism" in the big 5.
What I've learned: it's good to know that it won't be as bad as I think if will. Very relaxing.
Somehow the Type A Women are usually my favourite characters in shows... I wonder what that says about me???
Ditto, I always felt that Paris Geller was my spirit animal growing up, as I could relate to her obsessive personality MANY times in my youth! 😂😉
Same. Maybe we aspire to become like them.
They seem aspirational to people who have no control over their lives.
I aspire to be more like Leslie knope because of her passion and enthusiasm towards her job and life. I want to do a great job just like her
I find I always relate to these women the most I feel I share alot of personality traits, which can be a pro and con! I find myself hardworking but also my anxiety can be hard to handle - but like most people I relate to multiple character tropes this is just one side of me, I also relate to the quirky girl trope lol because I do love chaos randomness as much as I love structure and planning ahead - but in life moderation is key - balance and appreciation
"her lack of cool makes her extraordinarily warm" I LOVE THIS QUOTE
I’m sad Joan from Girlfriends wasn’t included in this. I would love to see a take video on any of the characters from Girlfriends (if not all of them lol).
Me too
15:31 ohhh that sounded goooooood. It really moved me. Now seriously, I’ve always looked up to the Type A characters and yearned to be like them. They’re often successful in their careers and their perfection over everything really got my attention. I guess I’ve always thought of myself as high maintenance , super quirky and passionate (mostly because my friends always tell me so), and the trope has encouraged me to be as ambitious and driven as them. But the thing with the trope is that it’s often a joke and often normalizes ocd or anxiety as essential attributes. Even though I know it’s a joke, I thought I wasn’t as good or as driven as them because I didn’t have all my ideas organized in different binders lol
While I love Leslie knolp, Rachel
berry (in turn Leah Michelle) is simply detestable. Even the gym teacher wasn’t as bad as her in both ego and behavior.
@@MaejorArray finally someone said that
I cringed at how much the show creators loved to hate her.
I love Monica and chandler more than anything and the fact that there in this video so much makes me SO happy
all moniacas are somewhere waiting for a chandler who would say "they say you are high maintenance but I like maintaining you"
Paris in Gilmore girls I love her growth and she became a kinder more caring friend to Rory instead of viewing her as competition!
Ugh noticeable how most of the most heavily featured characters in this are Jewish. The neurotic woman and mama's boy man are pretty much the only representation we get. Rebecca Bunch is another example. Would love a video on Jewish stereotypes in media.
Annie's jewish, but who else? Not leslie knope, hermione, amy santiago at least. Is monica jewish?
@@joonamato Monica Geller, Paris Geller, and I think but am not certain the characters in Girls. Some others featured don't have canon religions but are coded as Jewish.
I mean the amount ofJewish actors in Hollywood is fairly high, so maybe it's a coincidence. As a brown person, I WISH we could have representation, ANY kind, period. Hardly any Latinas, Arabs, Indians, Polynesians, Asians, etc. I've seen beautiful representation of Jewish woman as always fashionable, tough, sexy, but also poised, as well as light-hearted, sometimes driven, sometimes easy-going, sometimes magical, sometimes straight, sometimes gay: Katy Kane as Batwoman, Fran Fine in The Nanny, Ilana Glazer and Abby Jacobson in Broad City, Frances "Baby" Houseman in Dirty Dancing, Cher Horowitz in Clueless, Dharma Finkelstein in Dharma & Greg, Grace Adler in Will & Grace, Beverly Goldberg in The Goldbergs, Willow Rosenberg in Buffy, Midge Maisel in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Ronit in Disobedience, Rhoda Morgenstern on Rhoda, Fanny Brice in Funny Girl and EVERY other character Barbara Streisand has played. I can go on and on, including male characters. Darling, you're spoiled for choice.
@@YourMajesty143 Hi, the idea that Jews are over-represented in Hollywood or control Hollywood is antisemitic and incorrect. Please don't repeat it. Those characters you all list are all similar characters that reinforce narrow and inaccurate stereotypes about us - like the neurotic Type A types I originally commented about. Everything you're saying is reinforcing my point, not counteracting it. For example, all the people you listed are white even though most Jews globally are Brown. Please educate yourself on what antisemitic tropes are and how you're perpetuating them right now.
Also Rachel on glee would fit this stereotype and Robbie from victorious
Ok I love this video. Leslie Knope is my idol and I've always told people if they need a character to compare me to, there she is. My only issue with this video is they say that this woman is "undeniably high maintenance" because she nags about commitment, cares if you leave the dishes in the sink, and obsesses over her career. Let's reconsider our definition of high maintenance... Personally, being concerned about your career and wanting commitment from your partner are NOT qualities I would label as high maintenance. High standards does not equal high maintenance. And actually, I'm down to just get rid of this idea of "high maintenance" altogether.
I love this trope! YOU SHOULD DO THE DUMB, PRETTY GIRL!
Thank you for covering this! I love this archetype - these women are always my favourites, largely because I see a lot of myself in them, even though I am nowhere near as accomplished or meticulous.
Jane from Happy Endings and Madison from Dollface are two of my favourite Type A ladies! And of course, Paris - the real MVP of Gilmore Girls.
absolutely in honour of virgo season xx
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'stress is just the price she accepts for her success' I FELT that
I love that you included Margaret from MASH! As the token lady in a show, she had to deal with a lot. That show is seriously underrated now, and could be the source for multiple takes regarding war and masculine toxicity.
Now that I know this trope I think Apple White from Ever After High fits in with it in her own way
Im more type B but look up to the Leslie Knopes of the world. When my public service works makes me feel beat down, I remember them and feel inspired to keep going
They're neurotic and uptight, but it's because they're completely caring and passionate and I love that
Virgo energy
I just watched this video and cried. Growing up I always felt I needed to be the cool girl to be liked and to be interesting. This video helped me look at myself in a whole new light, understanding that the things I had always considered as negative traits can actually be good. THANK YOU
When was Hermione ever in this group? She's never shown to be neurotic or self-doubtful in her experiences. Probably one of the most confident and competent kids in the story.
Maybe so, but she is still very type A, overpreoared type of person, ie reading the whole history book before the class even starts
She actually kinda is, she really gets desperate or jealous when thinks doesn’t go that much as she wants, like when Harry did better in poisons or she didn’t do good in adivination, she also took ALL the clases
@@isabellasimonetti6126 and her boggart was a version of Professor McGonagall telling her that she failed everything. Book Hermione is 100% the neurotic type A girl and incredibly relatable because of it. The problem here is that the movies turned her into a wholesome character that never fails.
In the books she’s so much more neurotic than in the movies, she definitely fits in here
@@JacquelineViana exactly what i was going to say, the book version is totally neurotic
Now being the "perfect woman" is caring a lot, keeping everything clean, having a healthy routine, loving your job, AND seeming completely laid back and chill about everything
"Even Dangerous" and puts that Booksmart scene 😂😂
I can appreciate any video with this much Amy and Annie.
When I first clicked on this video I was expecting to feel personally attacked. Haha I'm glad it was positive! I do try really hard not to let things get to me but I do occasionally lose it over things not going the way I planned. It's something I've always struggled with in my life but I like to think I've gotten better. The only thing I want to point out is we're not all "uptight sexually". But I do feel a need to always be in control. Luckily my husband likes to be dominated and told what to do. I've never really had sexual hang ups.
Monica Geller is the best, I take tips from her all the time 💛
I like these kinds of female characters, they're funny, likable and inspiring
This is a beautifully executed video essay. I feel like I’ve come to appreciate some of these qualities I share with Type A Neurotic women and can better understand myself.
I love these characters; is there anything more endearing and exciting than seeing someone be passionate about something? It’s so nice to watch someone talking about something they really care about and these women are great for that. You can’t test yourself away from Amy talking about binders, it’s just so heartwarming.
I am exactly this kind of person (although I've been working on taking things more lightly) and I love Amy Santiago and Monica Geller (Leslie and Hermione get on my nerves at times), but I think there's another reason this trope is female and comes from these 1950s-ish family shows. This is the wife you had to be. The mistress is always nagging on you, right? Well, that's because she has to keep the perfect house and family for you. Women who did not bother so much with these things were not model wives. The early career woman version also reflects extra pressure on women: how often did women who were not perfectionists and workaholics get positions higher than a secretary? Men could be laid-back naturally talented bosses, but would a woman get ahead without struggling and demanding recognition in the 1980s? Even nowadays, it's not very common.
This is why I especially dislike the natural pairing with the man-baby, because you know in reality she is being a mom-wife. Unless they develop the couple as the man raising himself up to match her and the woman realizing she can calm down a little because there's someone dependable with whom she can share the burden and have fun. I really like how Leslie was paired with another ambitious grown-up, who made a lot of sense for her.
This pairing trope of a man baby with a type A girl gets broken a bit down by the end of Brooklyn nine nine when Jake leaves the job in order to raise their son while Amy moves ahead with her career. He still is childish( his spending habits) and chaotic, but if you see closely Amy does chaotic things too although with a bit of patience or lack thereof. And I am just so happy that a sitcom is headed by a Type A girl in Parks and Recreation ( and if you consider Monica as fulcrum of Friends) .
Fleabag's relationship with her sister Claire is another great example of the cool girl/type A relationship. Great video!
Representative Katie Porter is my heroine of Congress. Believe it or not, she elevates the dignity and professionalism of the House of Representatives by doing her homework and asking pinpoint questions, and holding herself accountable. Her opponents could see her as neurotic, but she's so down to earth: "I'm a single mom with three kids, dinner is burning, I'm late to something, I don't have time for bs." Is there a different category for her, because I don't see her as neurotic, but competent. Perhaps there's another category: The Katie Porter
Please make a video on the personality types from the bryers miggs test!!
I disagree with the statement the "cool girls is largely a male fantasy." I've met just as many breezy, go with the flow women with chill personalities, who like things guys like as I have neurotic controlling women. Not that neurotic women are somehow false or bad, but I think its kind of rude to say these women are more three dimensional than "cool girls" who's traits happen to also appeal to some sort of fantasy. Sometimes people are just PEOPLE.
This is written by a Neurotic Type A woman for Neurotic Type A woman, that's why
Have you actually met that many free spirited women? The whole poiny of the cool girl monologue is that tons of women feel pressured into pretending to be okay with things and go with the flow when they really arent. So how many of those women were faking it? Impossible to tell
@@marzipan2555 I've met TONS of free spirited women! And they are free spirited and cool on their OWN terms and SOMETIMES GUYS LIKE THAT. But they sure as heck aren't doing it FOR a guy. They're just being themselves. And if you're feeling societal pressure to act "okay" and "cool" when you're not, then its up to you to be honest about it instead of blaming other "cool girls" or representations of "cool girls."
Take Two sounds awesome cuz when I see really good video essays that are made by teams I always wonder how they were able to agree on what to say. When I talk about media with anyone else, even with my closest friends, it always surprises me how wildly different our reads can be. A lot of times it's actually really awesome though cuz you usually end up gaining a deeper understanding and appreciation for the piece, AND the person you're talking to.
Type A characters are usually the most funny people in a sitcom. Sometimes they can be seem boring but when it's their time to shine they are usually the funny one. ( And Monica Geller, Amy Santiago, Leslie Knope and Annie Edison in a thumbmail is the thing that made me click the video in the first place HAHAHAHA)
Please talk about the witch trope!
I have never felt more validated for my neuroticism thank you for this video!
I identify with this. I did a psychological evaluation and the psychologist suspected that I have O.C.D. I'm afraid that people find me annoying and weird. My family tries to pressure me to do things they like or give me a hard time for not liking stuff I find obnoxious like Hallmark movies and facials. They can enjoy them if they want, but I don't want to be judged, forced to do them, or made to feel guilty for not liking them.
Yup, that's me. This pandemic has sent me down a self-inflicted shame spiral. Where did I go wrong? Have I not made the right choices? Have I not planned enough? Why am I losing my job? Have I not worked hard enough to keep this company in-demand? How could I not have seen this coming?
I watched this with bated breath as I suspected this would define me! Now I can breathe knowing that there is a light at the end of the tunnel I AINT SO BAD AFTER ALL😊
Love this video! But I wish you would‘ve mentioned the dynamic between Blair and Serena on Gossip girl, that would‘ve fitted perfectly
Doing what you love most brings out the type a in you, if you’re lucky to find your true passion soon or at all, i’m sure more people could fit under this type
ambition + anxiety is probably the most realistic portrayal of women...i cant speak for all women but i certainly accredit my drive to my anxious fear of failure
I really admire Type A women because I'm such a Type B and I feel like I could benefit from being a little more Type A.
Thanks for showing Marnie from "Girls" here! I was always thinking that I'm her in so many ways but only seen negative remarks about my girl
You all should explore mixing in some shots of you actually talk to each other / the camera. It's ultimately more engaging for the audience than 100% voice over stills and clips, so might help you grow your audience even more! It would be nice to connect even more with the folks behind The Take as people expressing their opinions & well thought-out analyses than faceless, nameless, "big brother" voice over...
Virgo vibes
Hi could you analyze The Meyerowitz Stories and the implications of how childhood is relevant in adulthood. In addition to how difficult it is for children to admit that parents sometimes act badly
Take two sounds amazing. I'm so happy for you guys
More love for this trope! From a typically misunderstood type A.
I recognized this type of personality in Ruth from Snowpiercer (the series). She also becomes very trustworthy, reliable and likable by the end of season 2. Although in the beginning she is almost a caricature, she proves to be someone you really want at your side, when things go down.
Okay I obviously am attracted to controlling female. This just confirmed it
I love this take!
I think the Type A Neurotic trope as of late, has taken traditionally "annoying feminine" characteristics - like being organized and having colorful binders, or going the extra mile to show your loved ones you care by giving them extravagant gifts - and put a positive spin on it. We're shown that these characteristics are what make women successful - like Amy becoming Sargeant or Leslie winning the election. The fact that they tirelessly immerse themselves in their work puts them ahead of the rest. The neurotic type-A never misses a chance to show her friends that she cares, which allows her to build some of the strongest relationships in her life and results in them ALWAYS having her back.
As someone whose personality is easily influenced by her media consumption, I wanted to be the "cool girl" for as long as I can remember because that's what the movies portrayed as successful... and likable, in a twisted way. Someone who's naturally good at their career because of their emotionally guarded persona (think Sherlock or House MD). But this trope teaches us that true success and strong relationships stem from caring deeply and working hard (this was actually outlined in one of the Take's videos and it's stuck with me ever since).
I'm so glad that Leslies, Monicas, and Amys are gaining traction in media because it's taught me to appreciate working really hard to be successful. The toxic traits of these women are not abstracted -which makes them all the more real and "role model"-like. Power to your neuroticism xD
Topanga Lawrence is my favorite character from this trope 💓 Boy Meets World is still so underrated
I have a problem with the constant pushing for this character to 'relax' and be more than the cool girl. Yes, balance is nice but if her traits aren't hurting her, I feel it's ok for her to keep them
this made me so happy. I’ve always related to characters like this and it really helps me do some self discovery