Thank you very much Tim! These sorts of videos are incredibly useful, and I don't think there can be too many of them on TH-cam. Everyone learns differently and everyone explains differently, so it is awesome to have the different perspectives. Looking forward to part 2! Thank you for including the outtakes at the end, really enjoyed that!
I can’t explain how much I appreciate your Channel. I’d love to just soak in knowledge from you about all of this. Keep the channel going this is really great
Thank you for sharing your knowledge keep it coming just starting out as a rough framer...hard to find good people that genuinely wanna help...thank you
Man this is exactly the video I’ve always tried to look for when I first bought a speed square because every other video will tell you “yeah you can mark square and commens and here’s your degrees” but that’s it
Thanks Tim really appreciate you taking the time! I am a finish guy and use some of that for stairs & yes I beat up those 32nd on cabinets ! Say inset doors; custom fitting drawers ! I carry a 6” rule in my leathers (bags ) and it’s my 2nd one in the last 5 yrs! It has 32/64th markings? Sorry ; framers work in the range of 6” to 6’ and it’s good to go! Kidding your a great carpenter and a massive credit to the trade! Thanks again buddy! Jim Duncan Kings Table Custom Finish Carpentry (Located in the good half of California) 😳
Thanks Tim, this has been very informative for a novice like me,. Have had a Swanson since I was 18, I'm not a framer but i like to build things for myself whenever possible. Always have wondered how to fully use my speed square. Looking forward to part 2.
Stuff like this always makes me look back and rethink the times i said to my old math teacher that i would not use this in everyday life. Man was I an idiot.
You said when you started there weren't scribe marks, when I started there weren't speed squares that I ever saw. We used a framing square, a combo square and some used a try square. It wasn't until the late 80 or early 90s that I used a triangle square. You can teach an old dog new tricks and this and I'm sure pt. 2 will teach this old dog some new tricks. I started butchering wood in 1975 full time and I am still doing it when the knees don't hurt too bad.
Tim next time you show marking, you might consider using a Pica pen so it shows up better. The line will be about the same thickness but the Black ink might show better on camera. Just a thought, Great video though.
I didn't realize Swanson had finally come out with a speed square with 1/8" rip indentations. I spent $170 on the Martinez several months ago basically just for that... Do I feel like an idiot?.........Yes. Yes I do.
In addition, we do not use such speed squares, although there are also metric versions. With us, the roof pitch is given in degrees, and the average is 22 degrees.
Of course I was a piece worker framer before there were speed squares and I’ve been behind the computer for 33 yrs. But I do keep a couple of 28 oz plumb waffle head hammers around in case I want to feel old swinging one. I fired up the Senco last month to build a shed & my guy laughed at how heavy it is.
I know the common measurements are what we most often use, but I started using degrees and I refuse to go back. It's so much easier to set the saw to the degree than it is to try and find 18.4 for a 4/12 pitch. Especially if everything is vaulted and you're cutting rake angles; unless you have a separate saw you can keep at the rafter degree it can be easy to be off a bit trying to get back to the roof pitch once you're onto interior framing. At least for me.
Thanks for the video, looking forward to part 2! As for using your speed square to find pitch on rafters, do you ever find the need to use a framing square, or does this kinda eliminate the need for using one? Thanks!
I've found the L shape of a framing square to be awkward to put somewhere that won't just about immediately fall off. I can balance a 12" speed square on a 2x4 and it'll stay for days* * days being the unit of measurement between me laying it down and bumping it with some extremity
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@@CybekCusal first of all, nothing that I said indicates that I think you or anyone else is stupid. 2nd, if you put your speed square on top of a rafter where it meets the ridge, it'll show the 30 degrees. In reality though a triangle with a 12" run and a 7" rise, will show 30 at the level cut according to a protractor. Also if you use trig, it'll show you that too, for example check here www.cuemath.com/tangent-formulas/
Tims given you the answer already but it's not very clear. Position the square against the side of the rafter so the heel is up and the 90º side is more or less vertical, with the pivot resting on top of the rafter . Place a short level on top of the heel then rotate the square until the level shows level. Now you can read off the slope from the common rafter scale on the square
Gotta say, I think saying "I never do that", without clearly qualifying exactly why and at that moment, is really poor teaching - I'm a pro carpenter and I was baffled by that comment. The way you said it suggested it was bad practice. The ability to free-cut an accurate 90º is something that comes with time and experience and is not something I'd 'recommend' to beginners and amateurs, which this video is clearly aimed at. Apart from that, love the channel still :o)
@@AwesomeFramers Tim, I am old enough that I am not working as much on learning, just not forgetting what I know. I watch your videos specifically to help me be a better teacher. Keep up the good work, really appreciate the effort.
We are all so blessed for having 2 videos this week
You would make an awesome teacher lol the outtakes were funny because you did a good job critiquing yourself too haha
Thank you very much Tim! These sorts of videos are incredibly useful, and I don't think there can be too many of them on TH-cam. Everyone learns differently and everyone explains differently, so it is awesome to have the different perspectives. Looking forward to part 2! Thank you for including the outtakes at the end, really enjoyed that!
Good to know someone out would teach people how to used a tool. Great going.
Thanks so much for passing on your knowledge, a true legend.
Love your channel.
❤️👌from a german carpenter
The fact that the new "pro" version is CNC cut is crazy awesome. Especially for the price.
you are a talented teacher! please keep these coming.
WOW ... this is more than just Speed Square. Love when u guys do these big ones. Hope your week is starting off great
I can’t explain how much I appreciate your Channel. I’d love to just soak in knowledge from you about all of this. Keep the channel going this is really great
Thank you for sharing your knowledge keep it coming just starting out as a rough framer...hard to find good people that genuinely wanna help...thank you
Man this is exactly the video I’ve always tried to look for when I first bought a speed square because every other video will tell you “yeah you can mark square and commens and here’s your degrees” but that’s it
Super helpful, love the information! Thank you so much!
Thanks Tim really appreciate you taking the time! I am a finish guy and use some of that for stairs & yes I beat up those 32nd on cabinets ! Say inset doors; custom fitting drawers ! I carry a 6” rule in my leathers (bags ) and it’s my 2nd one in the last 5 yrs! It has 32/64th markings? Sorry ; framers work in the range of 6” to 6’ and it’s good to go!
Kidding your a great carpenter and a massive credit to the trade! Thanks again buddy!
Jim Duncan
Kings Table Custom Finish Carpentry
(Located in the good half of California)
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Hey Jim, I like to throw comments out there like that one just to tease the finish carps.
Thanks for the kind words 🙏🙏
Such a good video. Not many out there
Thanks Tim, this has been very informative for a novice like me,. Have had a Swanson since I was 18, I'm not a framer but i like to build things for myself whenever possible. Always have wondered how to fully use my speed square. Looking forward to part 2.
Stuff like this always makes me look back and rethink the times i said to my old math teacher that i would not use this in everyday life. Man was I an idiot.
I got one for you.....all through school I hated math, guess what, I chose a career that deals strictly with math.....go figure 😀
@@mikeycarpenter117 yeup im in the same boat. All of a sudden pythagorean theorem and rise over run makes sense.
You said when you started there weren't scribe marks, when I started there weren't speed squares that I ever saw. We used a framing square, a combo square and some used a try square. It wasn't until the late 80 or early 90s that I used a triangle square. You can teach an old dog new tricks and this and I'm sure pt. 2 will teach this old dog some new tricks.
I started butchering wood in 1975 full time and I am still doing it when the knees don't hurt too bad.
Love the outtakes!! Helps us see how real it really is!! Thanks for putting it all out there for us Tim!
My wood shop teacher was mr. Wood too!
it must be a requirement
The outtakes are PRICELESS hahahaha
Excellent video, I enjoy this content!
hey man I'm in carpentry tec school in Hawaii man your videos are awesomeeee i want to be a framer as well its my dream job ahaha
I trust you..... I have zero idea why 😂 ..... But i trust you lol
Tim next time you show marking, you might consider using a Pica pen so it shows up better. The line will be about the same thickness but the Black ink might show better on camera. Just a thought, Great video though.
Good suggestion. I'll order some, unfortunately part 2 was filmed dame time as this
@@AwesomeFramers Kinda figured, but you'll do more.
Curious where you went to school. My jr high woodshop teacher was also a Mr. wood. Loved making knives
I didn't realize Swanson had finally come out with a speed square with 1/8" rip indentations. I spent $170 on the Martinez several months ago basically just for that...
Do I feel like an idiot?.........Yes. Yes I do.
Ungodly expensive is in understatement 🤣
The outtakes are great! Shows just how difficult talking to the camera can be.
In addition, we do not use such speed squares, although there are also metric versions. With us, the roof pitch is given in degrees, and the average is 22 degrees.
In the US and Canada, roof slope is labeled in some many inches of rise per 12" of run. I believe this comes from the invention of the rafter square.
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Just now realized how old my Swanson is
Of course I was a piece worker framer before there were speed squares and I’ve been behind the computer for 33 yrs. But I do keep a couple of 28 oz plumb waffle head hammers around in case I want to feel old swinging one. I fired up the Senco last month to build a shed & my guy laughed at how heavy it is.
I know the common measurements are what we most often use, but I started using degrees and I refuse to go back. It's so much easier to set the saw to the degree than it is to try and find 18.4 for a 4/12 pitch.
Especially if everything is vaulted and you're cutting rake angles; unless you have a separate saw you can keep at the rafter degree it can be easy to be off a bit trying to get back to the roof pitch once you're onto interior framing.
At least for me.
Thanks for the video, looking forward to part 2!
As for using your speed square to find pitch on rafters, do you ever find the need to use a framing square, or does this kinda eliminate the need for using one? Thanks!
I honestly never use a framing square. I do a lot with my calculator and then just use my 12" speed square.
I've found the L shape of a framing square to be awkward to put somewhere that won't just about immediately fall off.
I can balance a 12" speed square on a 2x4 and it'll stay for days*
* days being the unit of measurement between me laying it down and bumping it with some extremity
Lesser known used:
Cut your sandwiches in half
Spread condiments
Toothpick
Cut through Amazon tape
Ramp for your finger skateboard
Cheese slicer
Pimple popper
Love the square tips! Is the smaller angle 30 though. It just cross references to the opposite mark on the square?
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Thanks for not doing jokes
12:54 so nobody noticed he mixed up his angles? You got them backwards buddy.
actually no I didn't. Remember that a speed square starts from 90, whereas a protractor starts from 0. So that's what I was labeling
@@AwesomeFramers yes you did. You marked the small angle as 60 and the big one as 30. Don't assume all your viewers are stupid.
@@CybekCusal first of all, nothing that I said indicates that I think you or anyone else is stupid.
2nd, if you put your speed square on top of a rafter where it meets the ridge, it'll show the 30 degrees. In reality though a triangle with a 12" run and a 7" rise, will show 30 at the level cut according to a protractor. Also if you use trig, it'll show you that too, for example check here www.cuemath.com/tangent-formulas/
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If I don't know the angle of a roof I'm working on, what would be the best way to find that angle?
One way is to put the square on a rafter tail with a level on top of the square.
There are apps for this as well where you literally place your phone in the roof and it will find your angle
Tims given you the answer already but it's not very clear. Position the square against the side of the rafter so the heel is up and the 90º side is more or less vertical, with the pivot resting on top of the rafter . Place a short level on top of the heel then rotate the square until the level shows level. Now you can read off the slope from the common rafter scale on the square
Good stuff, a sharpie might be better next time for the viewer
Please put links for tools
Which ones? Did you check the description? I thought I had them all.
1:34 The Johnson is HUGE.
I always crosscut without a square. My cuts are never square. Will I ever use a square to square my cuts ? No!
13:18 this math is wrong. The lower left corner should be 60 degrees. The top corner is 30
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Obviously that's a triangle
Gotta say, I think saying "I never do that", without clearly qualifying exactly why and at that moment, is really poor teaching - I'm a pro carpenter and I was baffled by that comment. The way you said it suggested it was bad practice.
The ability to free-cut an accurate 90º is something that comes with time and experience and is not something I'd 'recommend' to beginners and amateurs, which this video is clearly aimed at.
Apart from that, love the channel still :o)
I appreciate your thought. I definitely didn't mean it to come across that way, just that I don't actually do it that way.
@@AwesomeFramers Tim, I am old enough that I am not working as much on learning, just not forgetting what I know. I watch your videos specifically to help me be a better teacher. Keep up the good work, really appreciate the effort.