Does this work? A distant back street made of layers of card - model railway backscene
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- I have made the back of High Street using 8 layers of card covered in texture paper. I have varied the depth of colour to try to increase the impression of distance in the backscene. I have used a graduated white-to-black colour on the windows to try to suggest reflected light. And I have made it far smaller than my usual size of N Gauge (1:148) to try to suggest that the street is in the distance.
But does all this work? Take a look and see what you think - form your own opinion as I show you how I approached this modelling challenge.
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The other night I visited the MacDonald's near Forster Square Bradford. I was acting as taxi driver for my grandson and his girlfriend. While waiting for them to be served I got out of the car to stretch my legs. As I looked above the retail park shops towards Manningham Lane, I noted that there are numerous victorian style mill buildings on the near horizon. The light and shadows playing on them really caught my eye. I smiled and actually thought "very Chandwell !" Really enjoy watching your channel and the model as it progresses. Thanks Michael.
Lovely to hear Graham! I am always very inspired when I get off the train in Bradford. I am really pleased that you saw some of what I am trying to do!
The Chandwell skyline, where even the back streets turn the posh buggers from Leeds green with envy.
That’ll learn em.
It absolutely works. Just lovely!
Thank you!
Just superb, Michael.
You don't need to change a thing.
Thank you!
I don't possess your skills with modern technology and have to fall back on my art teacher/fifties modelmaker skills but have often used progressive flats in the mid-far buildings on many old layouts. For what lt's worth, I feel you have it just right. I love your model and admire your consistency. Two pause one; train out of section!
I think regardless of our tools, the techniques have probably been the same for ages. I remember my Grandad explaining parts of this to me over 30 years ago! Thank you very much for your kind words.
Looks great. The desaturated colours and fades work very well.
Thank you - I think they do too and hopefully will look even better when the rest of the scene is in place.
More exquisite work Michael. It looks just right. This really will be a stunning model railway when completed, not that it isn't already. Cheers, Bob
Thank you Bob!
That's really effective Michael!
Thank you Andrew! I am pleased with how it turned out!
An ingenious bit of modelling trickery Michael! It definitely works for me and fools the eye brilliantly! All the best, Ian.
Thank you Ian!
Hi Michael it works for me I wish my back drops where half as good as yours. Always a joy to watch your videos many thanks for sharing this, looking forward to the development of the market, take care Barry..
Thank you Barry!
Michael we watch this at Train Group today. We really liking how this back wall of Chandwell. I really started watching Chandwell video as you were completing Chandwell Station and were making a start on The Royal Scot, it was the closeness to my old home and era which really got me interested. Then your plans for what now is Back Market St, and how this changed and developed to included Pockets & Ridings House. Also find the Bradford Poor Law Building and that very Chandwell Dewsbury building. Back Market St then the flat buildings of High St street and now the back view of High St. I like how as your eye is drawn from The Royal Scot down Back Market St across High St and it surrounding buildings to Chandwell Indoor Market and the relieved backs of High St really fit. I know you won’t really see the yellow brick building but great mood to both Hockings Building and Ridings House. Can’t wait to see how the rest of Chandwell Indoor Market Tower and Plaza fit into the area between High St and Bridge Lane. Perhaps the right hand top of Bridge Lane will be the loading docks for the Indoor Market shops. Ian
Thank you Ian!
Brilliant again Michael. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Glad you enjoyed it
The effect is amazing, how easily the human eyes can be tricked/pleased with even little 3D elements. Perfect result, Michael! And I like those little sings of yours, f.e. the Chandwell written with glue.
All the best
Valentin
I am pleased you spotted it!
Looks jst perfect, you are creating something wxtraorsinary. What is even more remarkable is the tecnics you use on building all this! Mixing modern with thold buildings, some beautiful, some down right ugly gives the scenes a ver realistic effect! brilliant!
Thank you!
It Works! Awesome. Mark
Thank you!
It looks fantastic
Thank you!
Looking great. I usually build at larger scales for gaming so when I saw some N gauge models in a shop the other day I was shocked to be reminded again of the scale at which you're working. To see such precise work at an even smaller scale is incredibly impressive. Your use of desaturation on different layers and the fades in the windows to emulate reflections is a really clever solution. I'm thoroughly enjoying your work on this market section so far. Thanks Michael.
Thank you Mark. Yes it is often easy to forget how small N Gauge is!
I agree Mark
More top notch work mate. Fits in just nicely. Arthur
Thank you!
Another great update. Informative, inspiring & short & sweet.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really enjoying this from Boston Massachusetts.
Thank you! It's great to have viewers from across the globe. I visited Boston (well, Cambridge, but we walked over a few times) and I've never experienced cold like it! :)
@@Chandwell true about the cold air in Boston. I am a true novice just getting into the hobby if O guage train in my 50s!
Watching you and others build scenery and building from scratch is all scales is a joy. I have. learned so much from your videos.
very good :) I am glad you cover the yellow building with the part of the Market. IMHO the yello one is the only one that did not work. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you! I remain quite fond of Chandwell's yellow bricks that crop up from time to time! But yeah, it looks as though this one will be completely invisible!
Is that Ole Willy’s Flat, Chandwell’s favorite train conductor, on the third floor overlooking High Street? I hope to meet him someday.
Oh, excuse me, it’s just that it all looks so real. Great job.
Thank you! :)
It works beautifully Michael! The window fading trick is genius.. shiny would not have looked right I think. Your videos have given me the inspiration and courage, as well as a method, to work a bit of perspective,(albeit a rural setting), into my model. Thank you... Can't wait for the market.
Awesome! Thank you! Have fun!
If anything the depth cue by tinting is a tad overdone, but it simply reads as a very light fog which is fine. Gorgeous work as always.
That's a danger of focusing on it in a video Matt. From where I am typing this, about 2 metres back from the layout it looks about right as it is a small part in a bigger vista. I think the street behind, the flat High Street, definitely is faded too much, but we live and learn! :)
It works. Epic model build also, I need that level of modelling when I launch my Cereal Box Starship!
Now I would love to see a cereal box starship!
@@Chandwell It's over on my channel :-)
Absolutely brilliant. Your attention to detail is amazing.
Thank you! Cheers!
It looks great and will look even better once you've got the tower in the foreground. I like your approach of keeping the "big picture" in mind and how the individual elements will work together when it's all finished.
Thank you! I am really excited because as I type this I can see under the arches into the precinct and over to the back of High Street. The big picture is starting to emerge and I can't wait to see it done!
wow! Once again you manage to come up t=-with inspriational achievable and repeatable ideas
Never stop.
My learning curve is still on the up
Thank you!
Well done.
Thank you!
Michael, that background looks superb. The 3d effect is amazing. Pete.
Thank you! Cheers!
You have come so far, and seem to be on a mission to travel far with us as followers of your technique. 👍
And thank you for joining me!
Does it work? A resounding yes! Everything you do works Michael. Just one thing, many urban northern towns have views of distant hills? Even Bradford does. Any plans? Cheers!
That is a very good point Phil. You may not have noticed as I didn’t ever mention it in a video, but there is a distant hill above the forced-perspective High Street. It is the hill as seen looking towards Manningham from Bradford and you can see the chimney of the big mill there. There are buildings from Huddersfield layered on top. I’ve yet to decide whether I will have more hills. Current feeling is no as most of the layout is designed to be viewed/filmed from low down, so with the low vanishing point, the hills will not be visible behind the buildings in most cases.
Certainly from the camera view it looks great! A very nice effect making the layout very nice to look at! Nice job Michael
Many thanks!
I think it works great.
Thank you!
Looking so good. Well done
Thank you so much 😊
Stunning
Thank you! 😊
As usual that is so clever and looks absolutely brilliant.
Thank you! 😊
Great upload as expected. Does it work? yes it does. My attention was drawn to the plain card mock ups with my eye being drawn to the shadows. My thoughts are that this was the contrast of a dark against the white of the card giving a false indication of depth. Lets say you are looking full on to a corner. The receding wall could be say 12 foot in depth which you could not see but on the adjacent wall one would see a larger shadow than say if that return was say 4 feet. Then there is the argument that a background scene is not there to be stared at but it is there to be glanced by. I once had a conversation with professional model maker Peter Hinchcliffe of Huddersfield (no longer with us) who produced scenic models for television in the 70,s. Callan was one of his projects. He mentioned there is an art not making items to true scale. He showed me a model of Le-Hey Saint farm house for the battle of Waterloo and he made the roof tiles larger than actual scale. The camera was veiwing the scene from above with strong studio lighting casting a larger shadow showng a greater depth ,all that the brain clocked was a clay tiled roof and when it flashed over to Hugomont the brain clocked a slate roof. Callen was filmed in black and white and there were no drones to film over head scenes. He did say, the answer to the question is, The modeller has to capture the eye of the viewer and direct it to the vocal point the modeller wishes it to be stared at. In short I think you have succeeded in that. Take care Mike B
Thank you - that is really interesting isn't it? There is a world of things we can learn from other professions.
Nailed it Again! That just blends in beautifully..
Thank you! Cheers!
I have found that the background of most layouts is usually the weakest point as far as realism goes. From what I've seen of your's so far, that's not going to be the case. It looks amazing 👍
Thank you! I am trying to make sure the background is just that - something you don't even notice, just a hint of distance. Mixed results so far, I think.
Excellent, and so much better than a single layer backdrop. And, as you've said, it's a back ground, so you're not staring at it close up. The mock up the market slightly detracts (at the moment) but once it is done it will all come together. Cheers
Yes indeed. I am hoping that the whole scene comes together nicely at the end!
Hi ya Michael. Yes, yes it does. It works well.
Thank you Norman
Hi Michael To me yes it works well, the depth is just right and the shading you've put on for the windows looks like the buildings in the middle have their lights on, really good effect, great work once again. Thanks
Many thanks! I think it’s turned out well.
What is written as comments... very nice... let me add "yes indeed... "
Thank you!
It works for me!
Thank you!
Hi Michael - yet again an excellent bit of scratch building. Really does blend in with the other buildings. Now on a totally separate note - what shade of green is the front of the layout painted in. It's a very subtle shade as you opened the door and walked into the room - better than my battleship grey undercoat ! Cheers Euan
Hahah thank you Euan! The colour is Mid Azure Green by Little Greene. It took forever to paint it all! Every cabinet, shelf, and wall! www.littlegreene.com/mid-azure-green
@@Chandwell Many thanks Michael 😊
That looks so good. I love how all of the fancy ornate stone work of inner city buildings of the late Victorian period is all on the front of buildings but the backs are left very basic and you’ve captured that look brilliantly. Birmingham is the same with impressive shop fronts on Corporation Street, but the backs of the buildings leaving a lot to be desired. This may be just a filler for the background but it’s no less impressive than the other Chandwell buildings.
I totally agree! The backs are so different from the "look at me!" frontages where all the money was spent.
Great content, have you created a video on details of your printer and card types that you use?
Thank you! Yes I have... It's here: th-cam.com/video/-QvdNFST7WU/w-d-xo.html
Brilliant. I keep having a dable with Inkscape, but I need to allocate some dedicated time to learn how to use it. You make it look so easy, and I am sure that with practice it is.
Your model is now looking amazing. Do you actually spend any time running trains.? Carry on making us droole at your creations.
You can do it! I occasionally run trains when I need them in the videos! :)
Yes, it does work. Excellent work as usual. How do you film with one hand and carefully place a glued section onto the scene with the other AND do it perfectly? Cheers.
😂 Ah… a magician never reveals his secrets!
Hmmm. You ask so much of your 9,000 subscribers Michael. (nearly 10,000 !!!) Does this work...? And on the whole, you get an almost unanimous response which says, yes, it does indeed work. You mention viewing distances - which always come into the equation when assessing if the model looks right. You have developed techniques that most of us can only marvel at. On the whole, I agree with the consensus that what you have produced does, indeed work. But - and there has to be a but in an honest critique of your excellent work Michael. But. I think, Chandwell being the awful place that we know it is, perhaps you should have increased the viewing distance ever so slightly. Shall we say about 37 miles? I think Chandwell would look just right if you viewed it from Rochdale, with the wonderful Pennines blotting out the eyesore that Chandwell is, and that we all love so much. I hope this doesn't offend too much Michael, but you did ask for comments. One day we will meet up, and I WILL buy you that brew that I've been promising you for far too long now. Keep up the good work mate, and don't listen to those critics (like me) who haven't a damned clue. Can't wait for next Friday. Stay safe and keep 'em coming.
I can only promise Peter, that over the next four to six weeks, the pain is going to get worse, but the end will come and brighter things will begin to emerge. Oh who am I kidding... It will probably continue to be quite bad. I'm going to the Doncaster show in February... will you be?
That really looks great. Did you cry after realizing you had to cover all 44 windows with paper? I would have.
Cry. No. Big sigh. Yes.
A very interesting video, I think that I am going to have to borrow some of your techniques (although in Z scale). 👍 Are the "textures" a feature of Inkscape or do you get them from elsewhere? Do you feel that embossed textures work in smaller scales or are flat prints on paper sufficiently effective? 😀
There is a dedicated video on Inkscape etc, don’t remember its name now but you can go thru the videos in channel overview
@@seppoe OK, thanks for that.
Thank you! So the textures are either downloaded image files from somewhere like textures.com, or ones bought from a supplier like Scalescenes. You import the images and apply them to your drawing. So it's not built into Inkscape, but it is easy to do. I've never used embossed textures, so I don't know. I just print directly onto photo paper and I've never found this lacking, especially in the smaller scales.
@Chandwell Thank you for that info, most helpful.
Looks excellent, but your attention to detail sometimes make it harder than it actually needs to be as its only background scenery.
True, but it wouldn’t be so much fun! 🤩
You are a clever bugger
Thank you! :)
good vid
Thank you!