To this day, I'm genuinely convinced NRS made MK11 Mileena extremely weak on purpose cause they were just that sick of all the harassment her fanbase was giving out.
honestly fair, i feel bad for nrs (at that time, not now because mk is going down the toilet) but at the time that was just unjustified fucking gooners man
Mileena being low-tier in MK11 felt like the most passive Aggressive thing to me. I can’t promise you that if I was in the developers shoes and I was constantly getting death threats over a video game character that I wouldn’t make her the worst character in the game out of spite. I’d probably have made her exclusive to the stadia version Just to rub it in.
With all I’ve heard about “constant death threats” there should be a mountain of evidence to support their existence. I think y’all might be exaggerating...
MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
@@Los-0120 Oh yeah I got that 7 hit KB combo with her, yes the range on the starter was very short but it was super easy to do and had very good damage
How about a top list of the most consistent Bad Match Up in MK? Not the Worst match up of every game, but the characters that tend to be weaker than other the most. I think it would be fun
@@NeonAngel2002even Lostygirl, one of the most prolific Mileena players in the MK community admitted Mileena was bad in MK 11. Mileena sucks in that game.
@@kzakulenga5138 No she wasn't. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
@@ciciad2010 No she wasn't. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
She wasn't bad though. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
Jade's moveset in MK9 is so fun to watch, like, I think it was very well executed visually. Shame that her character is not competitively viable, but I do have a lot of fun playing as her.
Jade is my favorite female character in MK, but NRS just doesn't like her. She's either completely missing from every other game or she's low to mid tier at best. In MK 11 she also had the most boring play style of all.
I always really liked Jade. I can't fully grasp why exactly, but I think her loyalty and witty playfulness makes her very likable. Green is also just a strong color scheme for her.
Funny how Shang Tsung's competitive peaks are arguably Deadly Alliance and MK11 He's too simple in the MK3 era, when even some of the mid tiers have at least some crazy sauce (looking at you, UMK3 Stryker)
Gotta respect Ed Boon and company for putting Mileena in MK11 after getting constantly harrased by her fanbase, only to make her one of the worst characters in the game. The ultimate troll move. Mad respect.
They are playable raidboss characters. Except raidbosses are meant to be oppressive, but have highly telegraphed and counterable moves. Difference is that as a playable characters, they no longer have the privilege of having a massive lifepool and damage advantage, whilst retaining all of their weaknesses. Hence why they are bad - they are amazing at low-level play, but bad against experienced players/speed runners etc. As any boss character would be
I don’t see Shao as low tier at all. Bro can juggle you across the stage with one move at the start of the match. Low tier how ?? Bros pokes into grabs are fast af if you’re an average player so low tier how ??
Comparing Shao Khan from MK9 to MK11 is the definition of “the boss character when you unlock them as a playable character”. But I think that’s a good thing since MK9 Khan was programmed to not spam moves that could infinite. I believe that’s why people find Shang underwhelming in MK3 compared to his original boss fight.
To this day I'm still surprised there was somewhat of a competitive scene for 3D MK. MK always had an troubled history with the competitive FGC, but during that time 3D MK was completely dismissed and just seen as the dumb mindless fighting game for casuals.
I know this is supposed to be a mortal Kombat video but I have to call you out for how happy you have made me for using music from the fighting game Evil Zone!!!! the soundtrack you're using in the introduction of the video is one of the characters theme songs!!! Keiya i believe!!!
I love videos like this, MK Meta, and the Competitive History videos on your channel, they always keep me coming back again and again. I usually end up watching them a few times, especially if they’re on the longer side or cover every game. Great job as always, glad to hear you’re feeling better :)
Me, a Shingo Yabuki player in King of Fighters, could only laugh seeing all the salt and anger from Mileena fans for their girl potentially missing only one game. In terms of mainline entries, Shingo was out for close to 20 YEARS after the release of XI. (Yeah, there were the enhanced versions of KOF 98 and 2002 but those are different.) Mileena fans could never survive that long of a drought.
Not even American Sports team fans act like this, and the only time they returned was for an everyone is here game. So if you think about canon only games, they have been missing for 30 YEARS
What is it with everyone wanting their favorite old games to be rereleased? Just boot up your 360/ps3 and play it man, the company doesn’t need to invest millions remaking a game that’s not that old
@@Heavymetalthunda3Not that old?? It’s over 10 years old, also wanting a remaster is valid, it would look better, and perform better booting up your PS3 or Xbox 360 isn’t that simple those consoles aren’t easy to come by and if you still have one it’s pretty old, most people don’t have one nowadays, and it can be pricey to find one, idk how you can just say that like playing this game on PS3 instead of playing it on PS5 would be ideal
A bit surprised you didnt spoke of Scorpion in OG Mortal Kombat, as he and Sub-Zero were the most popular characters of the game, and both sucked, but Scorpion did more than nobody else due to his highly unsafe projectile and his buggy Teleport Punch that sometimes just didnt worked.
@@dis6588 not true in the slightest. Scorpion was popular AF from day one in 1992 when the original game released. Bro, like where are you coming up with this information? 😂
Sub-zero wasn’t bad in original mk stop listening to know it all tier makers. He had the most unstoppable combo in game of freeze-uppercut-slide. The best character in the game. You guys let three people decide ur opinion really.
Sadly Jade always been low to mid. As someone who has a bo staff as her default attacks you would think she would have fast mixups with reach, but nope.
Scorpion in UMK3/MKT would be on my list. He missed vanilla MK3, but they brought him back for UMK3 and... well, he wasn't competitively bad, per se, but he was just completely outclassed by Human Smoke. Smoke's human form was just a better Scorpion in every possible way. Same special moves but much better combos meant that there wasn't any reason to play Scorpion.
Cool topic! Awesome discussion! Love the channel and also Mortal Kombat. MK is the most voluminous title in my game collection with over 50 physical titles! I suck at it, but I still love it!
To call what the mileena fans did online a " social media push" is a drastic understatement. They single-handedly made me hate her as a character because of their actions.
@@windebiesteultima3317to the people who were toxic sure but to regular fans it's not, think NRS needs to do better when it comes to making characters feel consistent
y’all are dramatic af about mileena fans but nobody brings up the Reiko fan that threatened to SA a dev’s child. or when someone named their daughter Mileena & an anti said their kid should die. never saw a mileena fan threaten anyone’s life y’all just think they were annoying & wanna believe they bullied the devs into adding her when she was already in the files since release. (Like Jade in MK1)
I was expecting subzero from mk1 to be on here, but mkda makes sense lmao. I hope they make mk1 sub's b3,4 cancellable into ice klone, how do you think that would change his play, ketchup?
MK11 Raiden was pretty weak, very disappointing. Still crazy how those insane Mileena fans threatened Boon if she didnt show up in MK11....Yeah being sick is never fun. Glad you're better.
The real shame with mk9 was nightwolf. He was one of my favorites in UMK3, but I hated him in mk9. I wanted to love him. He was the first character I tried, but I had to move from him on the same day.
Sub Zero freezes you once in MKDA, and can unblockable impale you, then zone. Cyrax isn't bottom 1, he's actually very good. Bottom 1 is Raiden/Sub Zero. But the unblockable impale off a freeze moves him up a little bit. Sub's overheads are non existent besides weapon s3. Like Cyrax, he has a decent weapon which allows him to win matches. Fast CS into Shotokan for punishing/staying near opponent.
Mileena is my favorite MK character and as much as I wanted her to be added, the rabid side of the fanbase made me so genuinely upset. Part of me wishes she wasn't added, because what lesson does that teach those fans? If you're toxic enough and threaten devs enough you get what you want?
NRS/WB planned to have Mileena in MK11 from the get go, they didn't add her because the rabid stans harassed them, she would've make it regardless. But yes the Mileena stans were BEYOND obnoxious, and because how stupid people on the interent are and don't understand how game design actually works, they actually take it as the wrong message
I was hoping for mk11 Raiden to be on the list A consistent entry in all mk games with almost all of his moves in the game prone to counter hit this making him a high risk character to play with. Also he was close to never used in competitive play across the games life-span barring in 2023 when Roether and Sikander used him in their gameplay videos.
@Los-0120 nope, he is the most inconsistent Eg. 1. Lighting Road Amp is supposedly to stunhit forward and back rolls when you hit the boundary of the circle but if you backroll , you won get stunned . On Amp Lighting Rod if you block any hit of Raidens pressure, you are plus on block to counterhit. Ref - Tom Brady made a whole video of this bug Sindel and Raiden have a similar customised move (Regal presence and Lightning Storm. Sindel is able to hover over any high attacks while Raiden get punished for it. Some of his safe overheads (f3 + 2 and b1 + 4 can be punished on certain situations even though you are atleast +2 on block. His b1,2 which is a mid followed by a high, misses in certain you opponents when you get them in the air which does not happen to most characters. Storm cell vs Sheevas Stomp : It doesn't punish all stomps and Sheeva can at time hit you rather than the Stormcell protecting you. If you want more, let me know. Been making him since 2020. 😑😑
Love how your complaints are hit box issues and not raiden specific problems lmao. Rain literally has an overhead that you can duck mid combo on block. Stop.
Also f32 isn’t even plus lol…it’s like -4 or -6 something like that. And b14 has a gap in it crazy you mention gaps in strings when literally every character in the game besides kabal I think has a gap in their string. The regal presence and lighting storm move are two completely different things. Also raiden will slowly hover down a bit before the move will stop being active. I didn’t even say he’s broken so you coming with all this is wild. Relax and chill before you talk about the character you clearly main bud. Raiden once again is just balanced. Not too bad but not too good. He’s right in the middle wherever that is.
You explain well why these characters were bad, but it was left a bit unclear why they were popular. I can make some educated guesses based on your explanations, but I was left wondering why these characters were used that much if they really were that bad.
The vast majority of players don’t care about competitive viability, and a character’s competitive potential doesn’t matter when you just wanna play the game for fun
Surely yes, but I would've appreciated if the video went more into detail about the fun aspects of the characters, the lore or any other possible reasons that would explain the popularity.
Mk1 would have to go to Scorpion without the use of the kameos. - No overhead or low; specials - no safe regular specials on block - the 1 safe special: amp teleport cancel He's a catch your opponent whiffing character.
I'll be honest, if Mileena had been top tier in MK11 I'd be pretty darn miffed because of how obnoxious the Mileesimps had been going about their pet-peeve. It also provided a shibboleth of whether people actually like the character or whether people just want easy MUs.
I will argue this until I die but MK9 Jade would have been top 5 easy if she wasn’t so buggy. Also was so heartbroken what they did to my girl in 11, so boring to play.
MK4 Cage is for sure worse than Shinnok and Quan Chi. I think the next worst character near him is probably Kai. I also think Cage returned in MKT before MK4. He is not very good in that game either. That Meter Drain "glitch" in MK9 happens if you don't have the frames. Unfortunately, Jade's EX Glow only gets armor starting on the 2nd frame so she can be hit out of it.
Unless you were there you wouldn’t understand HOW TOXIC the mileena fan base was in mk11, in my personal opinion making her low tier was deserved karma for how they treated Daddy Boon
ED BOON,NRS,MK11 DID MILEENA DIIIIIRRRRTTTYYY!!! Thanks too toxic Mileena fans we’d ended up getting the worst version of her and it was so hard to play her in that game because she had the worst combos,Lack luster moves and the only way to play her was to projectile your opponent from keep away game plan since her trying to open up her opponent’s was really really really bad. I was dedicated to play her but I knew she sucked badly in MK11.
I think Sub-Zero had the highest combo % in MK9, but you needed to be in training mode to pull it off. I think it was 87% ? Enhanced special and finish with an xray. Definitely highest i ever got in MK9
Don’t agree with SZ in deadly alliance he was good to use. I don’t listen to a couple of people who make tier lists to determine who’s an awesome character to use it’s on u to learn. Sub is great to use every MK but barely ever top tier. Once again it’s on the player to learn if you love a character you’ll be fine. Esp with his move sets & combos every game, freeze is best move in MK history imo. He has so many great specials every game n always great combos with at worst decent damage, sometimes great.
Shangs not suppose to be good on his own. Thats why hes able to morph. He has some hand to hand combat skill, but compared to most characters hes not built like that. Hes a zoner character, it goes with the story of the character being a sorcerer
I forgot this jade player in mk9 I use to fight back in the day but he made jade look top tier! He even beat my kabal and my kabal wasn’t nothing nice, not like reo level but just as dumb in a way
To this day, I'm genuinely convinced NRS made MK11 Mileena extremely weak on purpose cause they were just that sick of all the harassment her fanbase was giving out.
That, and how busted she was in MKX. I still have nightmares about Ethereal 😒
honestly fair, i feel bad for nrs (at that time, not now because mk is going down the toilet) but at the time that was just unjustified
fucking gooners man
And I don’t blame them
They got death threats. I don’t blame em
And the Sub-Zero fans too
Mileena being low-tier in MK11 felt like the most passive Aggressive thing to me. I can’t promise you that if I was in the developers shoes and I was constantly getting death threats over a video game character that I wouldn’t make her the worst character in the game out of spite. I’d probably have made her exclusive to the stadia version Just to rub it in.
With all I’ve heard about “constant death threats” there should be a mountain of evidence to support their existence. I think y’all might be exaggerating...
@@lordtrigon1733 you want evidence then go do some searching.
MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
@@RoyArkonand her combos were so easy to pull off honestly and having a combo krushing blow is so good
@@Los-0120 Oh yeah I got that 7 hit KB combo with her, yes the range on the starter was very short but it was super easy to do and had very good damage
I like the Jade segment footage started with her vs Reptile on Dead Pool, for maximum green.
I reminded of the Smoke Medic video
0:30 man I miss when the ground freeze move just makes the enemies do the slip animation instead of getting frozen or stuck
Woah woah Nacho oo way
How about a top list of the most consistent Bad Match Up in MK?
Not the Worst match up of every game, but the characters that tend to be weaker than other the most. I think it would be fun
mileena in MK11 is the equivalent to a 'shut up ring'
"jfc here's your precious character, enjoy never playing her because she sucks" 😂😂
She didn’t suck though, I didn’t think she was that bad and I still enjoy playing as her in MK11
@@NeonAngel2002even Lostygirl, one of the most prolific Mileena players in the MK community admitted Mileena was bad in MK 11. Mileena sucks in that game.
@@NeonAngel2002she was bottom 3.
@@kzakulenga5138 No she wasn't. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
@@ciciad2010 No she wasn't. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
Honestly after the shitshow Mileena fans did for the entirety of 11’s lifespan, it was 100% deserved
And now the Sub-Zero fandom is next 😈
She wasn't bad though. MK11 Mileena was actually very good, I know that because I played Mileena in MK11 when she came out. Her projectiles were some of the best in the game and even in the slower-pace game that MK11 was, she was still one of the faster chars in the game. She was basically a runaway Zoning char, and because her projectiles were that good, she could've even counter some of the anti-Zoning chars. I myself ran into Scorpion players that actually were afraid to Teleport against her because how fast her projectiles and Tele-Kick were.
@@RoyArkonYou obviously played at a low level then.
@@Euro.Patriot Nope
@@RoyArkonShare your tournament results then
Jade's moveset in MK9 is so fun to watch, like, I think it was very well executed visually. Shame that her character is not competitively viable, but I do have a lot of fun playing as her.
Jade is my favorite female character in MK, but NRS just doesn't like her. She's either completely missing from every other game or she's low to mid tier at best. In MK 11 she also had the most boring play style of all.
@@arch5701she was one of the best in MK11 tho
I always really liked Jade. I can't fully grasp why exactly, but I think her loyalty and witty playfulness makes her very likable. Green is also just a strong color scheme for her.
I’m not one of those Esport Whores, I actually enjoy playing as Jade. Hated that she’s missing in MK1. MK1, destroyer of all things.
Funny how Shang Tsung's competitive peaks are arguably Deadly Alliance and MK11
He's too simple in the MK3 era, when even some of the mid tiers have at least some crazy sauce (looking at you, UMK3 Stryker)
Gotta respect Ed Boon and company for putting Mileena in MK11 after getting constantly harrased by her fanbase, only to make her one of the worst characters in the game.
The ultimate troll move. Mad respect.
Not really. Half the roster was just as boring.
Yeah its more a bitch move than a troll move
@@arch5701 Others are boring but more effective.
@@arch5701feel like the ones downplaying mileena are the ones who asked for her lol
Ah MK9 Jade. The anti-zoner with a losing matchup against the best zoner in the game.
The idea of a (previous game's) boss character being low tier, e.g. MK3 Shang Tsung or MK11's Shao Khan, it always shocks me, mainly for lore reasons.
They are playable raidboss characters.
Except raidbosses are meant to be oppressive, but have highly telegraphed and counterable moves.
Difference is that as a playable characters, they no longer have the privilege of having a massive lifepool and damage advantage, whilst retaining all of their weaknesses.
Hence why they are bad - they are amazing at low-level play, but bad against experienced players/speed runners etc. As any boss character would be
I don’t see Shao as low tier at all. Bro can juggle you across the stage with one move at the start of the match. Low tier how ??
Bros pokes into grabs are fast af if you’re an average player so low tier how ??
Comparing Shao Khan from MK9 to MK11 is the definition of “the boss character when you unlock them as a playable character”.
But I think that’s a good thing since MK9 Khan was programmed to not spam moves that could infinite. I believe that’s why people find Shang underwhelming in MK3 compared to his original boss fight.
@@idunnoman9402 Id love to fight a spamming Mk9 Shao Kahn
Still putting him in a blender 😤
One mistake made in the video. MK4 wasn't Johnny Cage's return in MK. He returned in MKT which was the second upgrade to MK3.
We don’t acknowledge that bootleg Johnny 😂
Good to see you back in spirits,mate. Here's going to see a new feature in a Character's competitive history soon!
To this day I'm still surprised there was somewhat of a competitive scene for 3D MK. MK always had an troubled history with the competitive FGC, but during that time 3D MK was completely dismissed and just seen as the dumb mindless fighting game for casuals.
3D MK was famous for having a competition in Japan where the champion was a blind american player
that's how bad it's competitive scene was
I know this is supposed to be a mortal Kombat video but I have to call you out for how happy you have made me for using music from the fighting game Evil Zone!!!! the soundtrack you're using in the introduction of the video is one of the characters theme songs!!! Keiya i believe!!!
I love videos like this, MK Meta, and the Competitive History videos on your channel, they always keep me coming back again and again. I usually end up watching them a few times, especially if they’re on the longer side or cover every game. Great job as always, glad to hear you’re feeling better :)
this list needs a part two and three please- your favorite characters in their worst forms
Me, a Shingo Yabuki player in King of Fighters, could only laugh seeing all the salt and anger from Mileena fans for their girl potentially missing only one game. In terms of mainline entries, Shingo was out for close to 20 YEARS after the release of XI. (Yeah, there were the enhanced versions of KOF 98 and 2002 but those are different.)
Mileena fans could never survive that long of a drought.
Not even American Sports team fans act like this, and the only time they returned was for an everyone is here game. So if you think about canon only games, they have been missing for 30 YEARS
I love Evil Zone's OST
Keiya theme I recognized immediately lol
You have no idea how much I love hearing Kakurine's theme out in the wild like that ❤
Feel the mystical
Interesting lore
A long with Cyrax, Sub-Zero and Scorpion they are always up or down. Rarely in the middle
+5 points for the Evil Zone music 👌
I wish that we get a remaster of MK9 but I don't have high hopes with Nether Realm in this day of age
They can without adding Freddy in it.
@@TheSixteen60 They can always renew Freddy license IP
i don’t think they can cause of the Freddy and Kratos license.
What is it with everyone wanting their favorite old games to be rereleased? Just boot up your 360/ps3 and play it man, the company doesn’t need to invest millions remaking a game that’s not that old
@@Heavymetalthunda3Not that old?? It’s over 10 years old, also wanting a remaster is valid, it would look better, and perform better booting up your PS3 or Xbox 360 isn’t that simple those consoles aren’t easy to come by and if you still have one it’s pretty old, most people don’t have one nowadays, and it can be pricey to find one, idk how you can just say that like playing this game on PS3 instead of playing it on PS5 would be ideal
A bit surprised you didnt spoke of Scorpion in OG Mortal Kombat, as he and Sub-Zero were the most popular characters of the game, and both sucked, but Scorpion did more than nobody else due to his highly unsafe projectile and his buggy Teleport Punch that sometimes just didnt worked.
Scorpion became popular after mk9, then nrs start pushing him hard.Og mk scorpion was just boring ninja with rope.
@@dis6588 not true in the slightest. Scorpion was popular AF from day one in 1992 when the original game released. Bro, like where are you coming up with this information? 😂
Sub-zero wasn’t bad in original mk stop listening to know it all tier makers. He had the most unstoppable combo in game of freeze-uppercut-slide. The best character in the game. You guys let three people decide ur opinion really.
@@dis6588 what??? scorpion has been the face of MK since the 90s
@pietrofattorello only for usa
Love the Top Best/Worst vids, keep it up!
(Also, glad you are over the bug!)😅
it's so funny to watch these videos and hear how much this channel loves the Evil Zone OST
Truly appreciate your kontent guys. Wishing yall the best!
Sadly Jade always been low to mid. As someone who has a bo staff as her default attacks you would think she would have fast mixups with reach, but nope.
deception really was the only game that made her actually viable
@@ohandthefracking i fell like both of yall completely missed MK11
@@ElectricNikkiGamesshe was just a bad zoner in mk11
@@ElectricNikkiGamesyou realize that she was a bad zoner in 11 right
She was a top 10 character in MK11.
Good list. Surprised MK2 Reptile didn't make the list. Absolutely an iconic look but was total butt cheeks in MK2 😂🤷♂️
Indeed.
Scorpion in UMK3/MKT would be on my list. He missed vanilla MK3, but they brought him back for UMK3 and... well, he wasn't competitively bad, per se, but he was just completely outclassed by Human Smoke. Smoke's human form was just a better Scorpion in every possible way. Same special moves but much better combos meant that there wasn't any reason to play Scorpion.
Human Smoke had faster walk speed, too.
Great video. Thank you
Babe wake up, new pndk&m video
2:31 an answer to this is that using various high tiers abilities would make watching the fight more entertaining.
Cool topic! Awesome discussion! Love the channel and also Mortal Kombat.
MK is the most voluminous title in my game collection with over 50 physical titles! I suck at it, but I still love it!
Evil Zone OST??? Let's go!
Great video but I need that Liu Kang competitive history at some point 👀
@@xXSonTJXx 🔥
That's gonna be difficult because he's been in way too many games
@@the757general2 been in all games except Deadly Alliance. Only beaten or equalled in appearances by Raiden, Sub-Zero & of course Scorpion.
Glad your feeling better man w video
I was main jade and thought ive had skill issue.
Mk11 erron black...
Most of erron players are predictable and use few similar moves
To call what the mileena fans did online a " social media push" is a drastic understatement. They single-handedly made me hate her as a character because of their actions.
And her being garbage in the competitive scene was a much deserved middle finger to that “fanbase”
@windebiesteultima3317 yes it was
While I definitely get why I don't think it really means it's every fan just the really hyper ones
@@windebiesteultima3317to the people who were toxic sure but to regular fans it's not, think NRS needs to do better when it comes to making characters feel consistent
y’all are dramatic af about mileena fans but nobody brings up the Reiko fan that threatened to SA a dev’s child. or when someone named their daughter Mileena & an anti said their kid should die. never saw a mileena fan threaten anyone’s life y’all just think they were annoying & wanna believe they bullied the devs into adding her when she was already in the files since release. (Like Jade in MK1)
Such a shame for Mileena in mk11. She looks and moves so cool that I wish it was just decent at least.
We will add sub zero (mk1) to this list in a couple of years come back to this
I was expecting subzero from mk1 to be on here, but mkda makes sense lmao. I hope they make mk1 sub's b3,4 cancellable into ice klone, how do you think that would change his play, ketchup?
i feel Exactly the same about Deadly Alliance.
I’ve realized that I’m a basic bitch and usually love playing Scorpion and Sub-Zero whether they’re good or not lol
Same lmao
Especially Sub
I'm back to request Competitive History of Liu Kang 🙏🏾 Also I'm glad you're back from being sick!
MK11 Raiden was pretty weak, very disappointing. Still crazy how those insane Mileena fans threatened Boon if she didnt show up in MK11....Yeah being sick is never fun. Glad you're better.
You know MKX was peak because not a single one of the characters are bad, even Bo Rai Cho and Kung Jin among my favorites
1:26 the song from EVIL ZONE. Kakurine theme
Shao Kahn was surprisingly too bad in 3D Era games. even weaker than Kobra and Shujinko
The real shame with mk9 was nightwolf. He was one of my favorites in UMK3, but I hated him in mk9. I wanted to love him. He was the first character I tried, but I had to move from him on the same day.
He was hard to play with even though I really wanted to like him
I hope to see competitive history of Shang Tsung.
As a Shang Tsung player in MK11, I second this.
Based NRS for making MK11 Mileena bad after getting death threats
Sub Zero freezes you once in MKDA, and can unblockable impale you, then zone.
Cyrax isn't bottom 1, he's actually very good.
Bottom 1 is Raiden/Sub Zero. But the unblockable impale off a freeze moves him up a little bit.
Sub's overheads are non existent besides weapon s3. Like Cyrax, he has a decent weapon which allows him to win matches. Fast CS into Shotokan for punishing/staying near opponent.
Mileena is my favorite MK character and as much as I wanted her to be added, the rabid side of the fanbase made me so genuinely upset.
Part of me wishes she wasn't added, because what lesson does that teach those fans? If you're toxic enough and threaten devs enough you get what you want?
baraka is one of my faves and him not being in mkx made me pissed off. where were the baraka fans then?
NRS/WB planned to have Mileena in MK11 from the get go, they didn't add her because the rabid stans harassed them, she would've make it regardless. But yes the Mileena stans were BEYOND obnoxious, and because how stupid people on the interent are and don't understand how game design actually works, they actually take it as the wrong message
3:20 that's some controller breaking trolling 😂😂😂
I see why sikander raging and getting upset about subzero… it’s just like NRS never wanted him to be good
5:00 that damage is soooo sad, omg
Keep up the work mate❤
I was hoping for mk11 Raiden to be on the list
A consistent entry in all mk games with almost all of his moves in the game prone to counter hit this making him a high risk character to play with.
Also he was close to never used in competitive play across the games life-span barring in 2023 when Roether and Sikander used him in their gameplay videos.
I think raiden is like the most balanced character in mk11. He’s decent at everything.
@Los-0120 nope, he is the most inconsistent
Eg.
1. Lighting Road Amp is supposedly to stunhit forward and back rolls when you hit the boundary of the circle but if you backroll , you won get stunned .
On Amp Lighting Rod if you block any hit of Raidens pressure, you are plus on block to counterhit.
Ref - Tom Brady made a whole video of this bug
Sindel and Raiden have a similar customised move (Regal presence and Lightning Storm.
Sindel is able to hover over any high attacks while Raiden get punished for it.
Some of his safe overheads (f3 + 2 and b1 + 4 can be punished on certain situations even though you are atleast +2 on block.
His b1,2 which is a mid followed by a high, misses in certain you opponents when you get them in the air which does not happen to most characters.
Storm cell vs Sheevas Stomp : It doesn't punish all stomps and Sheeva can at time hit you rather than the Stormcell protecting you.
If you want more, let me know. Been making him since 2020. 😑😑
Love how your complaints are hit box issues and not raiden specific problems lmao. Rain literally has an overhead that you can duck mid combo on block. Stop.
Also f32 isn’t even plus lol…it’s like -4 or -6 something like that. And b14 has a gap in it crazy you mention gaps in strings when literally every character in the game besides kabal I think has a gap in their string. The regal presence and lighting storm move are two completely different things. Also raiden will slowly hover down a bit before the move will stop being active. I didn’t even say he’s broken so you coming with all this is wild. Relax and chill before you talk about the character you clearly main bud. Raiden once again is just balanced. Not too bad but not too good. He’s right in the middle wherever that is.
Considering Scorpion is the poster child for MK, it's funny how awful he was in the original.
idk man that sword sub zero had in DA was doing wonders. you stick that into your opponent and boom instant cheese
Johnny was always at a minus in the face of a whiff or blocked move in MK4.
Welcome back 💪🏾
Mad that the graphics look better on MK3 compared to 4
Developing in 3D characters for years
I hear that evil zone music. great taste
"Popular MK characters"
So the original Trilogy characters...
I clicked because I’m curious why someone has “Ice Dragon’s “ written on the sides of his chest
I will say and Shang in mk3, his throw was one of the coolest looking.
Do a competitive history of Deception
Mk11 mileena was relegated to being a subpar zoner because she shot 2 projectiles by default which broke all armour, sad everything else sucked tho 😢
You explain well why these characters were bad, but it was left a bit unclear why they were popular. I can make some educated guesses based on your explanations, but I was left wondering why these characters were used that much if they really were that bad.
The vast majority of players don’t care about competitive viability, and a character’s competitive potential doesn’t matter when you just wanna play the game for fun
The video assumes you already know why those are popular, so I can see why it's a bit unclear for newcomers.
Surely yes, but I would've appreciated if the video went more into detail about the fun aspects of the characters, the lore or any other possible reasons that would explain the popularity.
can you make a video addressing the rumor that mk1 is done?
i'm surprised you didn't put subzero from mk1 in here
Sub got buffed he’s good now
Still waiting for the competitive history for Liu kang
All ill say is Kitana on top 🔥
I think she managed to stay the kombo queen throughout most of the games shes been in
Mk1 would have to go to Scorpion without the use of the kameos.
- No overhead or low; specials
- no safe regular specials on block
- the 1 safe special: amp teleport cancel
He's a catch your opponent whiffing character.
Is shang tsung had at least a launcher like striker/ermac that allows you to follow up with his ground projectiles he'd be damn good
Now do Hated MK characters that were good competitively
Honorable mention, Scorpion in MK1. Without Ferra, easily bottom 3.
Not a mortal kombat game per say but Scorpion from injustice 1 is definitely a case of this happening
I recognize that background music anywhere evil zone ones from danzibar the other ones from kakarin
I'll be honest, if Mileena had been top tier in MK11 I'd be pretty darn miffed because of how obnoxious the Mileesimps had been going about their pet-peeve. It also provided a shibboleth of whether people actually like the character or whether people just want easy MUs.
I will argue this until I die but MK9 Jade would have been top 5 easy if she wasn’t so buggy. Also was so heartbroken what they did to my girl in 11, so boring to play.
MK4 Cage is for sure worse than Shinnok and Quan Chi. I think the next worst character near him is probably Kai.
I also think Cage returned in MKT before MK4. He is not very good in that game either.
That Meter Drain "glitch" in MK9 happens if you don't have the frames. Unfortunately, Jade's EX Glow only gets armor starting on the 2nd frame so she can be hit out of it.
I still love the fact that Mileena stans got their wish with the worst iteration of her. They did deserve it though
Shang Tsung' in NES MKII homebrew game are lackbuster because he only had one combo, while others 3
Now you're playing music from kayia steal from evil zone
@5:43 DANZIVER!!!!
Unless you were there you wouldn’t understand HOW TOXIC the mileena fan base was in mk11, in my personal opinion making her low tier was deserved karma for how they treated Daddy Boon
ED BOON,NRS,MK11 DID MILEENA DIIIIIRRRRTTTYYY!!!
Thanks too toxic Mileena fans we’d ended up getting the worst version of her and it was so hard to play her in that game because she had the worst combos,Lack luster moves and the only way to play her was to projectile your opponent from keep away game plan since her trying to open up her opponent’s was really really really bad.
I was dedicated to play her but I knew she sucked badly in MK11.
I think Sub-Zero had the highest combo % in MK9, but you needed to be in training mode to pull it off. I think it was 87% ? Enhanced special and finish with an xray. Definitely highest i ever got in MK9
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Don’t agree with SZ in deadly alliance he was good to use. I don’t listen to a couple of people who make tier lists to determine who’s an awesome character to use it’s on u to learn. Sub is great to use every MK but barely ever top tier. Once again it’s on the player to learn if you love a character you’ll be fine. Esp with his move sets & combos every game, freeze is best move in MK history imo. He has so many great specials every game n always great combos with at worst decent damage, sometimes great.
Shangs not suppose to be good on his own. Thats why hes able to morph. He has some hand to hand combat skill, but compared to most characters hes not built like that. Hes a zoner character, it goes with the story of the character being a sorcerer
Mk9 was a masterpiece, why they mess with that formula...
2:19 toasty!
I forgot this jade player in mk9 I use to fight back in the day but he made jade look top tier! He even beat my kabal and my kabal wasn’t nothing nice, not like reo level but just as dumb in a way