This reminds me of a solution I used for a server a long time ago. This was back in the parallell ATA days. It was a two drives chassi that took two 5.25" spaces in the chassis. It supported Ultra ATA 66 both for the individual drives and as the interface to the motherboard. It supported RAID 1 for the drives which made it extremely simple to use. For many years this remained our main server and every week one of the drives would be replaced and taken home by my boss. The rebuild didn't take all that long and was done during the night. Besides the drive was swapped Friday evening and normally the company wasn't at all active during the week end. We also had a daily tape backup done so this was second stage backup. One thing I learned early was that a tape backup was great, but just some times a restore wasn't 100% certain to work even if it did a successful verify after the backup. Never had to use either backup before migrating to a better server. Something that was interesting was that the drives used in this server was the IBM Deskstar 75GXP, the so called Deathstar drives after all the problems they caused. Thing is we sold hundreds of these drives and had very few that suffered the Click Of Death that the model became known for. When I presented our data in a discussion on a website I got called a liar, a IBM shill, a troll and all kinds of things. Still didn't change the fact that for some reason I still can't explain. The ones in our server stayed in use for many years and only got exchanged when we needed more storage.
Thanks for this review. I've actually just taken delivery of the D8 Hybrid and was wondering if I can use a USB-C to ethernet adapter to connect it to Mac mini via ethernet instead of USB.
Nice video. I'm thinking of getting one of these for video work with 2 x 16 GB HDD in RAID 1 for storage and 3 x 2 TB NVMe in RAID 5 for editing. Would this be possible?
your opinion of the D8 HYBRID VERSION for a movie & tv show plex library via a mac mini? i’m currently simply using a 14tb seagate drive backed up w/carbon copy cloner on another 14tb seagate. thanks for your videos.
Now that I think about it, how many NAS models manufactured by TerraMaster have Thunderbolt? Probably very few if any and if they were looking to produce a companion product to their lineup they would have to go with the ubiquitous USB.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if in JBOD (or maybe I mean SINGLE) mode and using software RAID 1, the host computer has to send a copy of the data to each drive separately thus reducing the write speed (each drive can write at 1/2 the USB link speed). I recently noticed this after I played with the QNAP 4-bay DAS box TR004. Thanks for all your great videos, I have been enjoying them!
That is SINGLE, but yes, that's a big disadvantage of software RAID over a connection that is already a potential bottleneck. JBOD would present the drives to the OS as a single storage volume with the combined capacity.
Compared to Thunderbolt and USB4, many motherboards supporting AM4 CPUs include a USB-C 3.2 2x2 Gen 2 port at 20Gbps. - This is much more cost effective than the upgrades required for a 2x10Gb Ethernet NIC. USB dual role is supported by Windows and is widely used for file access on android phones (MTB mode). so far only JBOD drive enclosures supporting dual NVM drives at 20Gbit speed are available, running ethernet over USB is technically feasible and supported by a number of SOCs (beaglebone) in USB-OTG mode. looks like untapped potential for low cost DAS and NAS based on controllers such as ASM3242 - expect new Chinese products in this space very soon.
I have 2 Samsung 990 Pro m.2 nvme drives. Would it be a problem with them in Raid 1 ? Right now on usb 3.2 Gen 2 I am getting about 660 MB/s which is fine. I just want a backup solution.
I'm looking to expand my storage options but am far from knowledgeable on the topic. I was hoping for a more down-to-earth review. Raid I get it, but I don't understand how the NVMe drives fit into this solution. When connected to my Mac, would I actually see two drives?
It's hard to include this in a review, as an arguably % of the audience know this and it would be treading old ground. But I appreciate that this is not everyone and I need to remember that!!! Once you connect the device, the drives will appear in your usual storage manager, just as any usb would. They will appear as independent storage, requiring Mac file system formatting. You CAN use your Mac and it's RAID tools to combine them, but keep in mind that this will consume more resources. It's hard to go down into further specifics without knowing your setup. I'd recommend using the free advice section on NAScompares
I could see this being an option for offsite, archival of a more robust NAS ... If I could access it as a USB attached drive from my router through OpenVPN this would be a perfect "1 copy at a different location" option for the 3:2:1 data safety plan. Since my brother is getting my current router when I upgrade to WiFi 7 with 10 Gbe next year, I could talk him into keeping a box plugged in in a nearby closet. It's easier as I'm already the family tech support.
As a backup device a QNAP tr-004 takes 4 sata drives in a full RAID configuration (if required). Raw performance not being an issue with backup but storage and value being important and, with the QNAP 4-bay costing the same as this unit, to me it's a no brainer for say a 24TB (4x8TB in a RAID 5) backup box with SATA drives ...
@@andygardiner6526 I am more interested in the D8 4 SATA + 3 NVME if I want my archive to have RAID. All of my important (personal) data would easily fit in a single 1TB SSD. The pair of 24TB would be to back-up of my media library as I do not want to rip 1,600+ DVDs and 300+ Blu-Rays again ... The TR-004 has a 5Gb interface and basically goes for the same price. While it's not bad for a quality 4-bay enclosure, I would personally benefit more from having the 3 NVME to back up my important files on flash that is separate from the mass storage. As I'm in no rush, I am debating backing the D8 at the same price, which would essentially add the NVME and up the speed of the USB interface compared to the TR-004
im torn to either getting this or actual nas. i want to have storage so all my device can access the data for mp3s and movies. i want to be able to stream movies on my tv. just a simple hd files, not even 4k. therefore im not sure to get DAS or NAS for my situation. residential setup so all are gigabit / wifi6 network. can anybody help me on this, please?
This reminds me of a solution I used for a server a long time ago. This was back in the parallell ATA days. It was a two drives chassi that took two 5.25" spaces in the chassis. It supported Ultra ATA 66 both for the individual drives and as the interface to the motherboard. It supported RAID 1 for the drives which made it extremely simple to use. For many years this remained our main server and every week one of the drives would be replaced and taken home by my boss. The rebuild didn't take all that long and was done during the night. Besides the drive was swapped Friday evening and normally the company wasn't at all active during the week end. We also had a daily tape backup done so this was second stage backup. One thing I learned early was that a tape backup was great, but just some times a restore wasn't 100% certain to work even if it did a successful verify after the backup. Never had to use either backup before migrating to a better server.
Something that was interesting was that the drives used in this server was the IBM Deskstar 75GXP, the so called Deathstar drives after all the problems they caused. Thing is we sold hundreds of these drives and had very few that suffered the Click Of Death that the model became known for. When I presented our data in a discussion on a website I got called a liar, a IBM shill, a troll and all kinds of things. Still didn't change the fact that for some reason I still can't explain. The ones in our server stayed in use for many years and only got exchanged when we needed more storage.
I'm impressed with the slight-of-hand at 5:30 - incredible!
Thanks for this review. I've actually just taken delivery of the D8 Hybrid and was wondering if I can use a USB-C to ethernet adapter to connect it to Mac mini via ethernet instead of USB.
Love your videos. Keep them coming.
Seems like they made too many compromises. It may be somewhat ok for a person starting out with a nas. Thanks for the video…. 😊
I am wondering if you ever tried anything-USB connected to TrueNAS and to create on it zfs...
try ;-)
Nice video. I'm thinking of getting one of these for video work with 2 x 16 GB HDD in RAID 1 for storage and 3 x 2 TB NVMe in RAID 5 for editing. Would this be possible?
your opinion of the D8 HYBRID VERSION for a movie & tv show plex library via a mac mini? i’m currently simply using a 14tb seagate drive backed up w/carbon copy cloner on another 14tb seagate. thanks for your videos.
Now that I think about it, how many NAS models manufactured by TerraMaster have Thunderbolt? Probably very few if any and if they were looking to produce a companion product to their lineup they would have to go with the ubiquitous USB.
idk.....those ugreen boxes are looking mighty tempting
Got mine reserved... 4800 Pro just added a 10G pcie card to my pc to link to it...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if in JBOD (or maybe I mean SINGLE) mode and using software RAID 1, the host computer has to send a copy of the data to each drive separately thus reducing the write speed (each drive can write at 1/2 the USB link speed). I recently noticed this after I played with the QNAP 4-bay DAS box TR004. Thanks for all your great videos, I have been enjoying them!
That is SINGLE, but yes, that's a big disadvantage of software RAID over a connection that is already a potential bottleneck.
JBOD would present the drives to the OS as a single storage volume with the combined capacity.
Compared to Thunderbolt and USB4, many motherboards supporting AM4 CPUs include a USB-C 3.2 2x2 Gen 2 port at 20Gbps. - This is much more cost effective than the upgrades required for a 2x10Gb Ethernet NIC. USB dual role is supported by Windows and is widely used for file access on android phones (MTB mode). so far only JBOD drive enclosures supporting dual NVM drives at 20Gbit speed are available, running ethernet over USB is technically feasible and supported by a number of SOCs (beaglebone) in USB-OTG mode. looks like untapped potential for low cost DAS and NAS based on controllers such as ASM3242 - expect new Chinese products in this space very soon.
I have 2 Samsung 990 Pro m.2 nvme drives. Would it be a problem with them in Raid 1 ? Right now on usb 3.2 Gen 2 I am getting about 660 MB/s which is fine. I just want a backup solution.
I'm looking to expand my storage options but am far from knowledgeable on the topic. I was hoping for a more down-to-earth review. Raid I get it, but I don't understand how the NVMe drives fit into this solution. When connected to my Mac, would I actually see two drives?
It's hard to include this in a review, as an arguably % of the audience know this and it would be treading old ground. But I appreciate that this is not everyone and I need to remember that!!! Once you connect the device, the drives will appear in your usual storage manager, just as any usb would. They will appear as independent storage, requiring Mac file system formatting. You CAN use your Mac and it's RAID tools to combine them, but keep in mind that this will consume more resources. It's hard to go down into further specifics without knowing your setup. I'd recommend using the free advice section on NAScompares
Yes. For me it’s mostly long term storage and mp3 streaming on Plex. It works well for that.
can I use 1 ssd sata with hdd in the same time ?
and ssd m.2 as cash ?
Wood the d5 hybrid be ok for storage video family photo music and wat drives wood be best to do that hdd and hot drive nvme
What usb c to barrel connector is that? Is the barrel connector a standard size?
I could see this being an option for offsite, archival of a more robust NAS ... If I could access it as a USB attached drive from my router through OpenVPN this would be a perfect "1 copy at a different location" option for the 3:2:1 data safety plan. Since my brother is getting my current router when I upgrade to WiFi 7 with 10 Gbe next year, I could talk him into keeping a box plugged in in a nearby closet. It's easier as I'm already the family tech support.
As a backup device a QNAP tr-004 takes 4 sata drives in a full RAID configuration (if required). Raw performance not being an issue with backup but storage and value being important and, with the QNAP 4-bay costing the same as this unit, to me it's a no brainer for say a 24TB (4x8TB in a RAID 5) backup box with SATA drives ...
@@andygardiner6526 I am more interested in the D8 4 SATA + 3 NVME if I want my archive to have RAID. All of my important (personal) data would easily fit in a single 1TB SSD. The pair of 24TB would be to back-up of my media library as I do not want to rip 1,600+ DVDs and 300+ Blu-Rays again ... The TR-004 has a 5Gb interface and basically goes for the same price. While it's not bad for a quality 4-bay enclosure, I would personally benefit more from having the 3 NVME to back up my important files on flash that is separate from the mass storage. As I'm in no rush, I am debating backing the D8 at the same price, which would essentially add the NVME and up the speed of the USB interface compared to the TR-004
just want to know. the kickstarter for the d8 hybrid is that also a DAS? or is it NAS. It doesn;t seem to be clear if its DAS or a NAS
Just a DAS with more slots
im torn to either getting this or actual nas. i want to have storage so all my device can access the data for mp3s and movies. i want to be able to stream movies on my tv. just a simple hd files, not even 4k. therefore im not sure to get DAS or NAS for my situation. residential setup so all are gigabit / wifi6 network. can anybody help me on this, please?
Terramaster vs this ugreen?
cool
Please, what is the brand and model of this external usb power adapter?
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Totally overpriced in EU at a laughable price of over 1000 USD for a Terramaster D8, and it is not even a NAS.