I definitely think O'Connor can podium. He's been with the GC group every stage, less than a minute behind Uran and 15 seconds behind Carapaz in the TT, only lost time after being caught up behind the Stage 1 crash, and he looked really good today. Martin, Quintana, and Higuita all cracked and he looked super smooth. Now he has two easy days to recover from his effort today. I wouldn't underestimate him.
@@viagetty2743 If he doesn't care about GC why has he always stayed in the front group? And why would you not try to defend your podium when you're 3 minutes clear of your rivals?
@@viagetty2743 i think they will care about gc now that hes in 2nd with a 3 min advantage over 3rd. Obviously considering the circumstances previously they were going for a stage win but now they have it and gc is well within reach, ag2r seems like a very flexible team and they likely will adjust their goals to the circumstances
Legend has it that from his mountaintop monastery LR can only upload on 280p, but the quality of the podcast is so good that TH-cam can still give us a full 4K display and enhanced audio. Not applicable for hot takes.
A correction here, regarding Matthews: if you get relegated, there’s also a points classification penalty (just looked it up, also applies to intermediate sprints) So it does matter if he gets relegated or not.
Congrats to Jumbo-Visma for taking the crown from Movistar (who has been remarkably disciplined) for worst team tactics: down to 6 riders, leave 2 riders with Wout who cracked early and who can easily make it in the grupetto on his own, send Kuss on the attack all day and leave nr. 5 on GC, Vingegaard, to ride solo almost the entire day, including having to chase back after a flat just before the final climb. Bravo, you have learned a lot from our Spanish friends 🥳
Wout actually didn’t crack. He just didn’t try. Said before the stage he wouldn’t even try defend his position, and was laughing and talking while getting dropped. - Benji
@@mrt.7146 It was not shadowing. For Teunissen it was normal to drop at that point and Kruiswijk is in a bad form after the crashes, so its normal to also drop at that moment
@@JessevdLand that's makes it even worse tactics - since we can determine those 3 riders were bound to drop early, any DS on JV would know so too and yet still decided that nr. 5 on GC should fend for himself, because it was more important to gamble on stage wins (on both Saturday and Sunday) or the climber's competition. Thanks all for the additional data points 🥳
As we enter the first race day, we have already had three weeks worth of attacking, racing, crashing, drama, and attrition. I cannot remember a more action packed first week and i have been following the TDF for 40 years.
Thanks for the recap since I missed the stage. I'll go back at some point and watch O'Conner win. Happy for him! Top ten finish. Cheetah Huigita. Love it. He is one to watch in coming seasons. Things will change yet again for those behind the yellow jersey. So LR, how can I read your article? I missed something lol!
@@milandavidovic5723 It didn't look green to me. It look liked something wrapped in tinfoil. But picture quality was low due to ads broadcasted on half of the screen. Replay removed that half/half segment. Which is another violation from national TV. I'm sure here we have some rich folks who can afford broadcast and replays without malicious adverts. They should look into and pressure UCI, ASO WADA to question Quintana. At least. But I guess nothing will happen because of Omerta. People will rather ride addiction waves and chase fiat dragons.
Forget Green...Colbrelli's going for the Yellow jersey! 😂 Tim Merlier took a leaf out of Jasper Philipsen's interview and thought, 'nah, I'm not a lead out man either...'
Hey LR, how about dropping some info on the race for time cut and the qbk rider that finished 40mins down. Missing some good stories with coquard and demare out...
Miracle water Tadej does it again!! Chapeau Benny! Primoz leaving just shows us how horrible this race will be the next two weeks, classy as always hope Primoz comes back stronger than ever. G Thomas is an absolute warrior . McNulty wanted some 4th of July BBQ and said fuck it I'll crash out 😂. Worse TDF in years tbh
Why do all riders complain about the cold and are literally shivering, when absolutely NONE of them are even wearing overshoes, and maybe 5% are wearing gloves (and only very late once their blood has already turned solid). Maybe Le Col should advertise their kit not only to us but to the pros as well.
Pogacar, a documented child prodigy, riding ~90% of the stage at a leisurely pace, saving energy, goes fast for the last few kms - people in the comments: surprised Pikachu face "mOrE dOpInG pRoOf" - O'Connor riding the same stage over 6 minutes quicker, often in the wind, alone - people in the comments: "100% cLeAn"
„German TV“ thought Ineos paced Pogacar back into yellow after he was isolated and O‘Conors virtual lead. They guessed UAE wanted to loose Yellow to not work the next days and Ineos making them need to work again. After this change Pogacar decided to attack sice Ineos brought him closer. Seemed a bit too „bigbrain“ in my oppinion… thoughts on that theory?
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Yea, thought so too. Our Comentators are strange! They don‘t get basic tactics, didnt recognise satellite riders but start theorys like that. Glad i can wrap thingd up with your podcast every evening!
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Benji, I disagree. It look like (to me) that Vingegaard had been pulling for while when Mas attacked him. It took him a bit to recover and get back to them - that's all. Vingegaard can definitely podium if JV gets their shit together and decide to support him. BTW, Where did Sepp Kuss go after he was dropped from the break. This is the second day that he has completely disappeared.
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast because he was the only one taking a lead for 2 minutes before that. he came up to the group afgain after 30 sec. according to radio tour. that is not a crack. how can you say such bullocks, mate?
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 roglic and gesink are gone. martin is injured. teunissen and van aert (current form) are not good mountain support. kuss and kruijswijk have not looked strong enough to be good support. i dont think vingegaard can podium because of how jumbo-visma has fallen apart due to bad crash luck
Kelderman Had difficulties with his aerodynamic position in the TT due to an elbow injury, hopefully it wont affect him in the second one. Under normal conditions i would say He is one of the better GC riders when it comes to TT
O'Connor should've done the 'feed me' gesture crossing the line & then the 'championship strap' gesture toward the other teams that didnt sign him waiting at the line.
Willie Smit did a video the other day about bigger riders doing less w/kg for the same pace as small guys at 7% and below. Think he had some data to support it. I think the data was exclusively pro level, but yeah... was not any explanation for it but that was the trend. I think he quoted some difference between himself(75kg not raceweight) and Higuita on their training ride
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Realized I had to switch to their international website. No issues, decided to become a channel member. Love what you guys do so want to support.
When I crash I blame myself not luck usually. Weather conditions, bicycle equipment and my bike handling are the three variables I must be aware of, must manage.
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 yes, there are times to blame fellow riders and foolish fans and their pets too for inadvertent crashes. But the falls I have seem by Geraint Thomas in Criterium du Dauphine and McNulty today were poor focus. Also, the way Caleb Ewen took down Sagan because Ewen hit another back wheel he should not have touched was blameworthy. Today’s cyclists and bicycles are so fast and the riders try so hard to draft and conserve energy they bring about their own undue peril.
@LRCP... How were the times up the climbs today? I assume that if Colbrelli was able to finish 3rd, the pace wasn't that high? Was also wondering when I saw Gee pulling... He didn't seem to be putting Pog under any pressure (not sure about the rest of his bunch). Even when Carapaz attacked, Pog seemed to cover it easily and breeze past him. Makes me think the pace wasn't that high on the last climb and the GC field is pretty week.
i havent seen the question in the comments - so ill ask. Are riders allowed to share food with non team mates? I thought you were not permitted to help others and Quintana was given a bottle and food by Higuita today. German Eurosport commented at what good support this was - really allowed?
Interesting perspective on Benji's call regarding Matthews' non-relegation -- "going from second to second". I'm not sure the gap matters and relegation should mean 0 intermediate sprint points.
WTH happened to Sepp Kuss again today. I get that he just couldn't keep up in the break, but I never saw him with Vingegaard at all. Is it in his contract that he only supports Roglic ? WTF ??
the second-best Team JUMBO Visma rider today was Sepp Kuss (After Vingegaard) - he came in as number 58th I think, and almost 29 minutes after O'Connor. Jumbo Visma is a disgrace. This had never happened if Roglic was contending. Go fukk off Franz Maasen the sports director
Brutal opener. How to demolish a TDF field. In 7 days. For Me if I’d ridden it , allowed 9O mins cut to ride in it’d would have felt like 7O days. Not even sure would have made an hour and a half cut , either.
Do you guys think that MVDP "distorted" the race by attacking like there's no tomorrow (I mean he knew he was about to withdraw...)? Van Aert followed him around and now maybe he's cooked for the rest of the race... I feel like the way the race went was influenced by his crazy rhythm, a rhythm he wouldn't have been able to keep until Paris. As always, I'm a big fan of your podcast, cheers!
I don't know. Until recently MVDP has been a one-day race guy and I think that's just how he goes. Van Aert is the same as MVDP and despite their TT skills neither are GC guys.
I think you bring up a good point. People who plan to leave early are really in a different race than the rest of the peloton - and they can distort the race to their advantage. It seems a bit unfair to the Tour.
I guess you can say that no one had to follow MVDP? I don't think he influenced the GC battle too much, but definitely the way the stages were raced, and therefore who the stage winner was. It must be quite demoralizing for guys looking for stage wins that plan on finishing the tour that when they see a guy attack that they know is planning on pulling out in a day or 2. On Lance Armstrong's podcast he was saying something similar about guys that finish OTL and then are allowed to continue. Apparently in the past, if a big group was gonna finish OTL, guys would save energy and finish with them, and then be allowed to continue and attack from the gun the next day.
A bad stomach and not being able too eat or drink enough on a mountain stage, maybe in hot weather and Pogacar is losing minutes, easily. The Tour is over in Paris.
@@AdrrejHanzelj No, but the cold and wet is for many other riders. Also, it can be bad for the stomach having to drink 10-15liters of water on one day. So hot weather could bring Pogacar down. Not likely, but the Tour is not over.
With Primoz leaving and no GC guy at Ineos able to catch up to Pogacar in the big climbs, the next two weeks will not be as entertaining as the TDF should be unfortunately.
@@dancostanza 100% agree. Those two days in the Dauphine were simply too obvious. I feel pretty similar around Pogacar this week too. Hope I am wrong but it is hard to not be cynical
Is that even fair? Dude, you telling me that there was nothing interesting about tdf from 1999 through to 2005 when Lance Armstrong was winning? The numbers disagree with you. Viewership stats sagged sans the domination of a single cyclist, Lance Armstrong. And btw all those titles were taken away from him. Fortunately, the spectacle of cycling, the entertainment cannot be taken away from the viewers. If Pog dominates for the next 4 years, I say we'll be gifted some of the most spectacular cycling. Whether he's doping or not. So, just watch and enjoy. If you choose to be uninterested, it's really your own problem. People risk their lives for your entertainment, the least you could do is enjoy it.
I’m honestly surprised that Pogacar can viciously drop the likes of Carapaz, Lopez, or Quintana. How would have thought last year’s TdF winner was capable of such a feat after getting stronger and closer to his prime?
With no one left to really challenge Cav in the sprints and no one left to challenge Pogacar in GC... barring misfortune for either rider, is the race already over?
@@3mrspacelyfaisal UAE was no longer up front. Tag was all alone for the first time all day. If they wanted to close the gap to Ben out front, make Tag do it. Carapez jumps ahead like 5 meters thens gets dropped in seconds.
Btw spare a thought for Movistar pacing Pogacar when one team had the guts to attack him....now Mas is barely top 10 and Superman Lopez is with the sprinters 🤣🤣 embarrassing team
Sorry, but this year Tour is dead.... You got Bjarne Lance Pogacar and domestic of Roglič, who is fighting for second place with others team captains.... Zeh...
Actually a fair point in my view. You could make similar arguments about that performance as Pogi, but they won't because they inconsistently believe it is a special unicorn problem.
@@Symbioticism you're absolutely clueless if you think what O'Connor did today is close to what Pogacar is doing. I've yet to see you make a comment that shows you're anything more than a casual
Again, not ok with the mid-event withdrawal of MVDP. Disrespectful and distorts the race results in various ways. A real spoiler. For me, no stage or other awards for non-finishers of the TdF. Harsh on injured parties, I know, but clean fair and simple. Voila!🤷♂️
@@Ketto25 In my opinion, fair on all the riders MVDP relegated into lower positions during his short spell in the race, including the runner up in Stage 2 and those competing for Green Jersey. I dont blame MVDP specifically, but the rules and culture of cycling that condone it.
@@Mgoblagulkablong I don’t mind that he prioritises the Olympics. I mind that he nevertheless enters and distorts a different event (TdF) with no intention even to complete it.
You guys forgot to mention the stellar performance by Froomey today.... He moved up 13 spots on GC and has almost overtaken Cav.
After his top 50 at the dauphine I think he could get top 150 this tour! Left/right balance looking great
The race for green and polka has became more entertaining than yellow this year
Wish I’d written this comment. Yellow is done bar crashing. Green and polka tense. Tense. Tense.
Nairoman can take both!
Sprinter, climber and a bloody good bodycheck if you ask roglič
He has been playing hockey in the off-season to stay in shape. I still wan to see THAT encounter from above.
Wonder how much Pog paid him for the hit....
Climby-Sprinty boy of the day: Colbrelli
Benji is a legend hahaha
Chicken, Broccoli and Rice connoisseur of the day: Colbrelli
And Roger Kluge, he gained as many GC positions as O'Connor
Colbrelli riding like he thinks there's a Green Polkadot Jersey competition.
Colbrelli’s climbing these days is dope
I definitely think O'Connor can podium. He's been with the GC group every stage, less than a minute behind Uran and 15 seconds behind Carapaz in the TT, only lost time after being caught up behind the Stage 1 crash, and he looked really good today. Martin, Quintana, and Higuita all cracked and he looked super smooth. Now he has two easy days to recover from his effort today. I wouldn't underestimate him.
But him and his team don't give a fuck about GC.O'Connor will not podium this tdf.
@@viagetty2743 If he doesn't care about GC why has he always stayed in the front group? And why would you not try to defend your podium when you're 3 minutes clear of your rivals?
@@viagetty2743 He (they) may not have targeted GC at the beginning, but they would be fools not to change strategy now.
@@viagetty2743 i think they will care about gc now that hes in 2nd with a 3 min advantage over 3rd. Obviously considering the circumstances previously they were going for a stage win but now they have it and gc is well within reach, ag2r seems like a very flexible team and they likely will adjust their goals to the circumstances
Legend has it that from his mountaintop monastery LR can only upload on 280p, but the quality of the podcast is so good that TH-cam can still give us a full 4K display and enhanced audio. Not applicable for hot takes.
A correction here, regarding Matthews: if you get relegated, there’s also a points classification penalty (just looked it up, also applies to intermediate sprints)
So it does matter if he gets relegated or not.
Congrats to Jumbo-Visma for taking the crown from Movistar (who has been remarkably disciplined) for worst team tactics: down to 6 riders, leave 2 riders with Wout who cracked early and who can easily make it in the grupetto on his own, send Kuss on the attack all day and leave nr. 5 on GC, Vingegaard, to ride solo almost the entire day, including having to chase back after a flat just before the final climb. Bravo, you have learned a lot from our Spanish friends 🥳
Wout actually didn’t crack. He just didn’t try. Said before the stage he wouldn’t even try defend his position, and was laughing and talking while getting dropped. - Benji
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast just makes it even worse strategy to let two JV riders shadow him 😂
@@mrt.7146 It was not shadowing. For Teunissen it was normal to drop at that point and Kruiswijk is in a bad form after the crashes, so its normal to also drop at that moment
@@JessevdLand that's makes it even worse tactics - since we can determine those 3 riders were bound to drop early, any DS on JV would know so too and yet still decided that nr. 5 on GC should fend for himself, because it was more important to gamble on stage wins (on both Saturday and Sunday) or the climber's competition.
Thanks all for the additional data points 🥳
@@mrt.7146 Just circling back to this to see how you feel about Jonas getting 2nd and Wout taking three stages. Piss-poor tactics, huh?
Sonny Colbreli is a monster, great ride from him today 👏
Beautiful brown kit- LR with the deadpan humour again
And so begins "the best of the rest tour".
Higuita's descending was MENTAL.
It’s ok lanterne my velogames has haig roglic and demare
i didnt play the velogames but id probably have picked haig and roglic
Brandon McNulty - great time trialing, good climbing, silly falling.. is he the Geraint Thomas of his generation?
As we enter the first race day, we have already had three weeks worth of attacking, racing, crashing, drama, and attrition. I cannot remember a more action packed first week and i have been following the TDF for 40 years.
LR’s boy bringing it home
I'm convinced now that Cobrelli will get Polka and Quintana will win Green lol
@13:31 and a star nickname was born
Just what i was waiting for
Thanks for the recap since I missed the stage. I'll go back at some point and watch O'Conner win. Happy for him! Top ten finish.
Cheetah Huigita. Love it. He is one to watch in coming seasons.
Things will change yet again for those behind the yellow jersey.
So LR, how can I read your article? I missed something lol!
Cavendish in Yellow
Nairo in Green
Colbrely KOM
Valverde in White
What kind of substance Quintana took 25.5km to go?
@@brokengames9020 Something green od my Guess.
@@milandavidovic5723 It didn't look green to me. It look liked something wrapped in tinfoil. But picture quality was low due to ads broadcasted on half of the screen. Replay removed that half/half segment. Which is another violation from national TV.
I'm sure here we have some rich folks who can afford broadcast and replays without malicious adverts. They should look into and pressure UCI, ASO WADA to question Quintana. At least. But I guess nothing will happen because of Omerta. People will rather ride addiction waves and chase fiat dragons.
Stayed up for this since I missed half the stage
Forget Green...Colbrelli's going for the Yellow jersey! 😂
Tim Merlier took a leaf out of Jasper Philipsen's interview and thought, 'nah, I'm not a lead out man either...'
Hey LR, how about dropping some info on the race for time cut and the qbk rider that finished 40mins down. Missing some good stories with coquard and demare out...
Rest day question: odds on Cav now getting the record with such a crazy first week?
Shout out to Formolo for his great gurn pain pace tribute to Tommy Voeckler and Fabio Aru.
Where is Aru these days?
@@cyberbeat11 Got second at sibiu tour behind Giovanni aleotti😂
@@nathan558 damn... hope he gets back somehow. it is possible. if Cav got back than anyone can. he did not just forgot how to ride a bike.
Great analysis today by you both
Higuita is really fast downhill for a such a small dwarf.
Miracle water Tadej does it again!! Chapeau Benny! Primoz leaving just shows us how horrible this race will be the next two weeks, classy as always hope Primoz comes back stronger than ever. G Thomas is an absolute warrior . McNulty wanted some 4th of July BBQ and said fuck it I'll crash out 😂. Worse TDF in years tbh
The Baby-Faced Assassin struck again
Thanks nice discussion
Yeah, imagine that bus ride with Uran and Higuita and others
Don’t count out O’Connor-he just tasted success,and he likes it!
I’m sure there’s more to come from him 🤙
How my mighty velogames team has fallen: career-best of 16th place a few days ago. But having Roglic, Haig and Porte means it's curtains for me.
Why do all riders complain about the cold and are literally shivering, when absolutely NONE of them are even wearing overshoes, and maybe 5% are wearing gloves (and only very late once their blood has already turned solid). Maybe Le Col should advertise their kit not only to us but to the pros as well.
Le Col neutral service moto
bahrain victorious made a mistake switching kit makers lol
Thanks
The poor Cofidis domestique was Perez who was fighting Schelling in the first two stages for KOM.
Pogacar, a documented child prodigy, riding ~90% of the stage at a leisurely pace, saving energy, goes fast for the last few kms - people in the comments: surprised Pikachu face "mOrE dOpInG pRoOf" - O'Connor riding the same stage over 6 minutes quicker, often in the wind, alone - people in the comments: "100% cLeAn"
Bingo. To me the victory of O'Connor today is way more suspicious than Pogacar.
But you know, he's very hated for some reason?
„German TV“ thought Ineos paced Pogacar back into yellow after he was isolated and O‘Conors virtual lead. They guessed UAE wanted to loose Yellow to not work the next days and Ineos making them need to work again. After this change Pogacar decided to attack sice Ineos brought him closer. Seemed a bit too „bigbrain“ in my oppinion… thoughts on that theory?
It wont matter much if pogi is in yellow or not, UAE has to control anyway.
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Yea, thought so too. Our Comentators are strange! They don‘t get basic tactics, didnt recognise satellite riders but start theorys like that. Glad i can wrap thingd up with your podcast every evening!
Stuntman of the day: McNulty
Yeah, that was just embarrassingly bad - ride yourself right into the ditch.
What kind of substance Quintana took 25.5km to go?
Why is Adam Yates not at the tour?
Does anyone know when was the last time a rider won a TDF stage with a margin of > 5 min to second place?
that's a good question
froome?
Any guesses on the time gap between Pogacar and 2nd place by the end of the Tour?
Vingegaard didn't really crack, he finished in front of Mas and Uran
He was dropping through the group near the top and the flat section on top of Tignes saved him. Personally, I consider that showing cracks. - Benji
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Benji, I disagree. It look like (to me) that Vingegaard had been pulling for while when Mas attacked him. It took him a bit to recover and get back to them - that's all. Vingegaard can definitely podium if JV gets their shit together and decide to support him. BTW, Where did Sepp Kuss go after he was dropped from the break. This is the second day that he has completely disappeared.
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast because he was the only one taking a lead for 2 minutes before that. he came up to the group afgain after 30 sec. according to radio tour. that is not a crack. how can you say such bullocks, mate?
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 roglic and gesink are gone. martin is injured. teunissen and van aert (current form) are not good mountain support. kuss and kruijswijk have not looked strong enough to be good support. i dont think vingegaard can podium because of how jumbo-visma has fallen apart due to bad crash luck
Will the Andorran Police Task Force be on the road on the second rest day?
Raid the godamn Slovenian
I think carapaz can get more time on the other gc contenders in the Pyrenees. His. Although he might lose a lot of time in the last ITT.
Team Bahrain did a lot of recon this season 🙃
Yeah just look at their staff, then you know why they perform so well this season! Juiced up a bit...
Kelderman Had difficulties with his aerodynamic position in the TT due to an elbow injury, hopefully it wont affect him in the second one. Under normal conditions i would say He is one of the better GC riders when it comes to TT
O'Connor should've done the 'feed me' gesture crossing the line & then the 'championship strap' gesture toward the other teams that didnt sign him waiting at the line.
Pog doing a Floyd Landis tdf
Willie Smit did a video the other day about bigger riders doing less w/kg for the same pace as small guys at 7% and below. Think he had some data to support it. I think the data was exclusively pro level, but yeah... was not any explanation for it but that was the trend. I think he quoted some difference between himself(75kg not raceweight) and Higuita on their training ride
LeCol only delivers to the UK? Or am I missing something? Trying to support the pod....
No they deliver to most countries, where are you located?
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Singapore
@@LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast Realized I had to switch to their international website. No issues, decided to become a channel member. Love what you guys do so want to support.
I predict the breakaway will win every single mountain stage
I look forward to Pogacar crushing Pantani's and Armstrongs climbing records. Let's go full mutant!
When I crash I blame myself not luck usually. Weather conditions, bicycle equipment and my bike handling are the three variables I must be aware of, must manage.
I agree, except when someone goes down right in front of you.
@@markdwelchforcongress4456 yes, there are times to blame fellow riders and foolish fans and their pets too for inadvertent crashes. But the falls I have seem by Geraint Thomas in Criterium du Dauphine and McNulty today were poor focus. Also, the way Caleb Ewen took down Sagan because Ewen hit another back wheel he should not have touched was blameworthy. Today’s cyclists and bicycles are so fast and the riders try so hard to draft and conserve energy they bring about their own undue peril.
@@eigobike3929 I do not disagree with your specific observations.
@3:25 What you came for
Benji correcting Lanterne's English. Even better since English is not Benji's native tongue, but it is Lanterne's. Nice on!
My Velogames team is doomed. Ewan + Gerraint Thomas
I replaced Ewan with MVDP last minute but forgot about the damn Olympics.
@The Accidental Genius ouch
@LRCP... How were the times up the climbs today? I assume that if Colbrelli was able to finish 3rd, the pace wasn't that high?
Was also wondering when I saw Gee pulling... He didn't seem to be putting Pog under any pressure (not sure about the rest of his bunch). Even when Carapaz attacked, Pog seemed to cover it easily and breeze past him. Makes me think the pace wasn't that high on the last climb and the GC field is pretty week.
i havent seen the question in the comments - so ill ask. Are riders allowed to share food with non team mates? I thought you were not permitted to help others and Quintana was given a bottle and food by Higuita today. German Eurosport commented at what good support this was - really allowed?
If it isn't allowed,it should be.
Interesting perspective on Benji's call regarding Matthews' non-relegation -- "going from second to second". I'm not sure the gap matters and relegation should mean 0 intermediate sprint points.
Gap matters in the sense that it's seen as a seperate group, hence he'd be relegated to the back of the 2-man group, thaha. - Benji
WTH happened to Sepp Kuss again today. I get that he just couldn't keep up in the break, but I never saw him with Vingegaard at all. Is it in his contract that he only supports Roglic ? WTF ??
Poor Vingegaard
@@delightchinosengwa1431 If a guy is your GC leader, I think he deserves to expect some team support.
Seems like Sepp is having a really bad tour. Maybe he got dropped.
the second-best Team JUMBO Visma rider today was Sepp Kuss (After Vingegaard) - he came in as number 58th I think, and almost 29 minutes after O'Connor. Jumbo Visma is a disgrace. This had never happened if Roglic was contending. Go fukk off Franz Maasen the sports director
Maybe he’s just el natural
Ben🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Brutal opener. How to demolish a TDF field. In 7 days. For
Me if I’d ridden it , allowed 9O mins cut to ride in it’d would have felt like 7O days. Not even sure would have made an hour and a half cut , either.
Do you guys think that MVDP "distorted" the race by attacking like there's no tomorrow (I mean he knew he was about to withdraw...)? Van Aert followed him around and now maybe he's cooked for the rest of the race... I feel like the way the race went was influenced by his crazy rhythm, a rhythm he wouldn't have been able to keep until Paris.
As always, I'm a big fan of your podcast, cheers!
I don't know. Until recently MVDP has been a one-day race guy and I think that's just how he goes. Van Aert is the same as MVDP and despite their TT skills neither are GC guys.
I think you bring up a good point. People who plan to leave early are really in a different race than the rest of the peloton - and they can distort the race to their advantage. It seems a bit unfair to the Tour.
Looking back....I think this is very insightful.
I guess you can say that no one had to follow MVDP? I don't think he influenced the GC battle too much, but definitely the way the stages were raced, and therefore who the stage winner was. It must be quite demoralizing for guys looking for stage wins that plan on finishing the tour that when they see a guy attack that they know is planning on pulling out in a day or 2.
On Lance Armstrong's podcast he was saying something similar about guys that finish OTL and then are allowed to continue. Apparently in the past, if a big group was gonna finish OTL, guys would save energy and finish with them, and then be allowed to continue and attack from the gun the next day.
Everyone distorts the race that's called racing
A bad stomach and not being able too eat or drink enough on a mountain stage, maybe in hot weather and Pogacar is losing minutes, easily. The Tour is over in Paris.
Who is going to pass him though?
Remember the Pogačar solo attack in Vuelta 2019? Was that in cold?
Heat is not a severe weak point.
@@AdrrejHanzelj No, but the cold and wet is for many other riders. Also, it can be bad for the stomach having to drink 10-15liters of water on one day. So hot weather could bring Pogacar down. Not likely, but the Tour is not over.
With Primoz leaving and no GC guy at Ineos able to catch up to Pogacar in the big climbs, the next two weeks will not be as entertaining as the TDF should be unfortunately.
Colbrellis climbing performance…Bahrain looking sus
Colbrelli, Padun, Caruso, Teuns, Tratnik, Mohoric, Mader…. Some pretty big progress in 2021.
@@chrishampden5261 leaving Padun at home is so irrational it feels like an admission of guilt.
@@dancostanza 100% agree. Those two days in the Dauphine were simply too obvious. I feel pretty similar around Pogacar this week too. Hope I am wrong but it is hard to not be cynical
Stop making all these accusations and enjoy cycling.
The next interesting TdF will be in 2024 when we're wondering if Pog can win 5x in a row.
Is that even fair? Dude, you telling me that there was nothing interesting about tdf from 1999 through to 2005 when Lance Armstrong was winning? The numbers disagree with you. Viewership stats sagged sans the domination of a single cyclist, Lance Armstrong. And btw all those titles were taken away from him. Fortunately, the spectacle of cycling, the entertainment cannot be taken away from the viewers. If Pog dominates for the next 4 years, I say we'll be gifted some of the most spectacular cycling. Whether he's doping or not. So, just watch and enjoy. If you choose to be uninterested, it's really your own problem. People risk their lives for your entertainment, the least you could do is enjoy it.
I’m honestly surprised that Pogacar can viciously drop the likes of Carapaz, Lopez, or Quintana. How would have thought last year’s TdF winner was capable of such a feat after getting stronger and closer to his prime?
With no one left to really challenge Cav in the sprints and no one left to challenge Pogacar in GC... barring misfortune for either rider, is the race already over?
There are two other places on the podium and a lot of polka dots left
@@georgelane6350 No doubt... also 10th, 12th & 157th aren't decided yet. Nail-biting stuff.
son corbrelli on the podium
Demáre not making it is inexcusable, Colbrelli was third!
I hope that Jumbo gets Vingegaard on the podium. Or that someone from Jumbo knocks Colbrelli on his ass. Both would be golden.
Why the hell was Inoes pacing for Tag???
How on earth did you watch the stage and think that's what was happening 🤣
@@3mrspacelyfaisal UAE was no longer up front. Tag was all alone for the first time all day. If they wanted to close the gap to Ben out front, make Tag do it. Carapez jumps ahead like 5 meters thens
gets dropped in seconds.
@@robertbarriger2596 they weren't pulling to catch BOC or drop Pogacar it was to move up in GC.
Btw spare a thought for Movistar pacing Pogacar when one team had the guts to attack him....now Mas is barely top 10 and Superman Lopez is with the sprinters 🤣🤣 embarrassing team
Im too afraid to look at my velogames
Bicycle
Sorry, but this year Tour is dead.... You got Bjarne Lance Pogacar and domestic of Roglič, who is fighting for second place with others team captains.... Zeh...
Sorry, but the Tour isn't dead. There just isn't a race for yellow.
I think it's worse that roglic left because they are already team members down and I feel he should have stayed and helped the team
Hope you PED warriors in the comment section keep the same energy towards O'Connors performance as you did with Pogacar yesterday.
" Tell me you don't understand cycling without telling me "
Designer drugs
Actually a fair point in my view. You could make similar arguments about that performance as Pogi, but they won't because they inconsistently believe it is a special unicorn problem.
@@Symbioticism Oh, where was BOC on yesterday's stage and on the ITT? I'll hang up and listen.
@@Symbioticism you're absolutely clueless if you think what O'Connor did today is close to what Pogacar is doing. I've yet to see you make a comment that shows you're anything more than a casual
What with him wearing sunglasses inside every time
Again, not ok with the mid-event withdrawal of MVDP. Disrespectful and distorts the race results in various ways. A real spoiler. For me, no stage or other awards for non-finishers of the TdF. Harsh on injured parties, I know, but clean fair and simple. Voila!🤷♂️
olympics is only every 4 years, the tour is every year
Fair on who?
@@Ketto25 In my opinion, fair on all the riders MVDP relegated into lower positions during his short spell in the race, including the runner up in Stage 2 and those competing for Green Jersey. I dont blame MVDP specifically, but the rules and culture of cycling that condone it.
@@Mgoblagulkablong I don’t mind that he prioritises the Olympics. I mind that he nevertheless enters and distorts a different event (TdF) with no intention even to complete it.