Thanks for commenting. I am not entirely sure where you're coming from with your question but, assuming you ae sincere, this is my answer. Not everything that claims to be a church belongs to God. We have the God given liberty to study the Word of God, and unite with a local church aligns with our convictions. We also have the responsibility to do so.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates Most people think they are being taught the word of God at church yet they are being taught things like the rapture or that once they become a disciple of Christ that they are "saved" and all they have to do is their best as far as getting rid of sin. They are taught tithing or prosperity. They are taught that Christmas is Jesus's birthday or that Easter celebrates His resurrection. They do not teach the gifts with orderly worship or often do not teach the power of God at all.
@@jannaswanson271 Wow - let's just shotgun a bunch of your pet peeves. I can't conceive of anything other prophetical outcome than the rapture. A person is "saved" and then a disciple of Christ. We don't have to do out best to get rid of sin, Christ has already forgiven our sin. As childtren of God we grow closer to Him and farther from sin. If you aren't tithing you're robbing God. I believe there is more than reasonable evidence of December 25 and that it is a distracting hoax to teach otherwise (gullible people). I prefer the use of the term "Resurrection Sunday" however the use of the word "easter" in the King James Version does confirm that the word can refer to the resurrection of Christ. And the gifts thing - well - I'm not charismatic, because some of the gifts have ceased in this age, but the service gifts are still very much in effect and useful. The error in them is focusing on them rather than on the Lord. Our original conversation was soul liberty. You have the absolute right to believe what you do. but sound to me like you are very wrong.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates In John 6:66 we see that some of Christ's disciples turned away from following Him. Would you consider them "saved"? Where in Scripture does it say December 25th is Jesus's birthday and why do the pagans also worship their sun god's "birthdays" at this time? Easter is not always celebrated at Passover. Jesus died at Passover. The date is figured by the Jewish calendar and Ezekiel 45:21, not by the moon. The Gifts have not ceased, they were given to the church. Do you not believe in Mark 16:17-18? Maybe you do not believe. Maybe you "have a form of godliness but deny the power". The rapture is false doctrine proved by Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 24:22, Hebrews 9:28 and Revelation 3:10. I could give you so many others but I doubt you would care how these douse your rapture fantasies. What will happen is that when people are not raptured that they will be facing the mark of the beast with no oil in their lamps because they were never taught they had to prepare their faith. They will fall. "Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." I John 3:9 This is what being born again means, a disciple can still turn away- and many, many do. Read the warnings to the churches in Revelation 2-3. Does it sound like they are all irrevocably saved? No.
What if the church teaches mere myths and traditions of men?
Thanks for commenting. I am not entirely sure where you're coming from with your question but, assuming you ae sincere, this is my answer. Not everything that claims to be a church belongs to God. We have the God given liberty to study the Word of God, and unite with a local church aligns with our convictions. We also have the responsibility to do so.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates Most people think they are being taught the word of God at church yet they are being taught things like the rapture or that once they become a disciple of Christ that they are "saved" and all they have to do is their best as far as getting rid of sin. They are taught tithing or prosperity. They are taught that Christmas is Jesus's birthday or that Easter celebrates His resurrection. They do not teach the gifts with orderly worship or often do not teach the power of God at all.
@@jannaswanson271 Wow - let's just shotgun a bunch of your pet peeves. I can't conceive of anything other prophetical outcome than the rapture. A person is "saved" and then a disciple of Christ. We don't have to do out best to get rid of sin, Christ has already forgiven our sin. As childtren of God we grow closer to Him and farther from sin. If you aren't tithing you're robbing God. I believe there is more than reasonable evidence of December 25 and that it is a distracting hoax to teach otherwise (gullible people). I prefer the use of the term "Resurrection Sunday" however the use of the word "easter" in the King James Version does confirm that the word can refer to the resurrection of Christ. And the gifts thing - well - I'm not charismatic, because some of the gifts have ceased in this age, but the service gifts are still very much in effect and useful. The error in them is focusing on them rather than on the Lord. Our original conversation was soul liberty. You have the absolute right to believe what you do. but sound to me like you are very wrong.
@@ApologeticsAdvocates In John 6:66 we see that some of Christ's disciples turned away from following Him. Would you consider them "saved"?
Where in Scripture does it say December 25th is Jesus's birthday and why do the pagans also worship their sun god's "birthdays" at this time?
Easter is not always celebrated at Passover. Jesus died at Passover. The date is figured by the Jewish calendar and Ezekiel 45:21, not by the moon.
The Gifts have not ceased, they were given to the church. Do you not believe in Mark 16:17-18? Maybe you do not believe. Maybe you "have a form of godliness but deny the power".
The rapture is false doctrine proved by Matthew 24:29-31, Matthew 24:22, Hebrews 9:28 and Revelation 3:10.
I could give you so many others but I doubt you would care how these douse your rapture fantasies.
What will happen is that when people are not raptured that they will be facing the mark of the beast with no oil in their lamps because they were never taught they had to prepare their faith. They will fall.
"Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." I John 3:9
This is what being born again means, a disciple can still turn away- and many, many do.
Read the warnings to the churches in Revelation 2-3. Does it sound like they are all irrevocably saved? No.
There Christ and his church and? and? and? Nothing else
Hi thanks for commenting. My apologies, but I am not sure what your point is....