+mr bioproductions Thank you so much! I definitely plan to do more, it just takes some time to do the research, the writing, and the editing :) I'm glad you like it!
I'm sure this is covered but, in the original cartoon, the Matrix was created like how explained (seeing as Primus is a multiversal being) but what is weird is that The Oracle from Call of the Primitives used to use the shell of the Creation Matrix as a home after his robot body was destroyed in an attack form Unicron. The Quintasons obtained The Oracle and emptied his sentience into the super computer Vector Sigma and cyberformed his planet into Cybertron. So logically speaking, Oracle who is pretty much cartoon Primus (if you watch Beast Wars it kind of explained that) was emptied from the shell and then the actual/Oracle used the shell to protect the Creation Matrix. So, am I right... or wrong?
This is just perfect and it keeps getting better & thx for the origin of the Bayverse dinobots p.s. does this apply for all the transformer universes as well
Thanks a lot! As to how it applies to the other transformers universes, the Thirteen are what are called "multiversal singularities" , meaning that they are the same character in all the universes (for now. It gets more complicated in a later story that broke them apart into different versions, but we'll get there.) These early episodes were meant to follow the perspectives of the multiversal singularities like Primus and the Thirteen, so they hop around universes. That is why this early stuff wasn't divided into videos belonging to a different universe, because at this point the only people worth talking about jump around from universe to universe. Most of what happens in this specific episode happens in the Michael Bay universe. However, this does not mean that these characters are necessarily Michael Bay characters. Again, the Thirteen are multiversal singularities, so they don't actually particularly belong to one universe. The Fallen seen here is the same Fallen seen in the movie Revenge of the Fallen AND the same Fallen seen in the War Within: The Dark Ages comic. The Vector Prime here is the same one seen in Transformers: Cybertron, and so on. Now there are characters that do specifically belong to one universe. For instance, the Bayverse Dinobots and Optimus Prime mentioned here do belong to the Bayverse, and they have different versions of themselves across the multiverse (Like the G1 Cartoon, the G1 Marvel comic, the IDW comics, etc.) But because they were created before the Thirteen fell, it was appropriate to mention them here. I really hope I understood your question and answered it in a way that can be understood. Let me know if you have any other questions, I'd be glad to help!
Oh, we'll get to that, don't worry! The short comic series from 2003 called "Transformers: Universe" really is the best piece of fiction that smooths over the relationship between Primus, the Transformers, and the Quintssons of Primax 984.17 Alpha.
+primusprime22 if you want to you can use this streaming in more videos for this series or others you may do in the future. I want to thank you. Recently I beat both Transformers: War For Cybertron and Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron. After I beat both amazing games (since you are a fan as I am you should try them if you haven't already) I found your website in my recommended list. Thank you for giving me a better understanding of lore. You have my sub and support.
Optimus Prime was the 13th Prime whose name was removed from the covenant of Primus so he could be reborn as Orion Pax and become Optimus Prime without his memories standing in his way. Alpha Trion secured it that way. It is a good try to combine different universes or generations but not complete , sorry
You're referring to the Aligned Universe which formed separately from the multiverse. This refers to the main multiverse. I didn't try anything, just organized the material we have from the fiction. Its good to try to correct someone who put more time and effort into research than you did to correct them, but you were wrong, sorry.
hmmm I have been a fan of transformers since 1984 , have every comic since 1983 .. yes 1983 , first issues. Are you even that old? Not to mention 5 movies , all that was brought out to the general audience from g1 to RiD season 2 ..... seriously ... research?
Old enough to understand continuity. Also old enough to understand that using a logical fallacy like ad hominem doesn't support your statement in the argument whatsoever.
So you are just claiming to make up for mistakes just for the heck of it ? I grew up with this and am old enough to actually remember it all , I know the difference between mutliverse and universes and generations , do you ?
Evidently you are not seeing as you tried to correct a video on multiversal continuity with aligned continuity elements, and claiming I "put these together." Study up on the concept of continuity and multiversal singularities. If you refuse to learn, I can't help you.
+Marcus Rumander Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I keep trying to fix the music every time I make one of these. I mean, just take a look at Episode I's cacophony of noises :)
Ok now you are just mixing up universes, the movie verse should have nothing to do with g1 or at least keep them seperate the Movie Primes only had 6 or 7 members, not 13, as far as I can tell there are 3 groups of original Primes, the Alighned ones, the normal multiverse ones, and the 6 or 7 members of the Dynasty if Primes from the movieverse.
That's not how canon works. The Thirteen were, at the time, Multiversal Singularities [1] and were effectively the same person regardless of what universe they were in at the time. Seven of the Thirteen are called 'Primes' which reconciles with the Dynasty of Primes of which there were seven shown in the film. Despite this, these Seven are part of the Thirteen.[2] The Uniend Cluster, however, developed separately from the Multiverse[3] initially and because of that, they were a separate group of the Thirteen. That remained as such until the quantum border was broken by the Dark Spark[3] and all the Multiversal Singularities effectively merged with their original Multiverse selves. Because of that, for a time, many members of the Thirteen and others had conflicting origins yet were the same character and also created the issue of there being sixteen members of the Thirteen though this lasted briefly because, of course, the Shroud separated all Multiversal Singularities across universes.[4] The only exception to this would be, of course, the Thirteen in Primax 1005.19 Gamma who were, for all intents and purposes, simply normal 'bots who really had no innate supernatural ability like the singular Thirteen and simply shared names with the Uniend Thirteen.[5] [1] Lee, F., & Khanna, D. (2005, Feb. & march). Vector Prime: In the Beginning [Cartoon]. Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club, 2(1). [2] Hasbro. (2009, October). Hasbro Question and Answer [Press release]. Retrieved February 22, 2017, from tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/October_2009 [3] Sorenson, J., Ichikawa, H., & McFeely, C. (2015, May 18). Ask Vector Prime [Web log post]. Retrieved February 22, 2017, from facebook.com/AskVectorPrime/posts/666939033438070 [4] Wittenrich, J., & Sinclair, P. (n.d.). Another Light, Part Five- Out of the One, Many [Cartoon]. In Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (65th ed., Vol. 2). Fun Publications. [5] Barber, J. (2014). The Crucible [Cartoon]. In The Transformers: Robots in Disguise (34th ed., Vol. 1). IDW.
the 3 groups of Primes are still separate from each other, I look at each universe as having individual things unique to them, as the Multiverse idea goes, there is an infinite number of universes, and so there may be some artifacts or beings that are unique, like multiversal singularities, but there can also be multiples of an individual, I see the Dynasty from the Movieverse as separate form the 13, they may have similarities, but they are not the 13, or members of the 13, just remember to keep the facts of multiple universes straight, I dable a lot in the Transfoiormers Multiverse idea a lot, but it can be hard to keep track of every little fact. and we still do not know to many facts about he origin of the movieverse Primes, and it is not confirmed if Primus exists in that universe, the only thin we have on Primus, is legends, but we can hope he does exist in the movieverse. and I love your content by the way, just remember the borders between univrses.
Commander Radix I kinda get where he is coming from, these are kinda mixed up. Just because they multiverse singularities doesn’t mean you can’t just continue said story.
This sh*t is so crack. I learned so many universe's lore, this is by far the best.
These are BETTER than the movies!
+pasGedden7 Thanks a lot!
pasGedden7
I hope the 86 movie is not included within that statement. Best film ever made in my opinion.
@@vxrdrummer never EVER think the 86 movie, the HOLY GRAIL of Transformers Animation. Yeah no no no, that's on another level all together.
No
You're a pretty good storyteller, kid. Just one bit of advice....Speak Louder. Keep up the good work.
Man, I have been waiting for a series like this!
Wow. This is really complex. This is great
This probably explains how some Transformers can be manipulated by Unicron so easily.
keep doing this lore i have bin looking for videos like this. very good video bro !!
+RICO-SISCO - Thanks a lot! I've been busy lately but I expect I'll get the next episode up sometime in May
RICO-SISCO - been
Amazing series!! You should do more
+mr bioproductions Thank you so much! I definitely plan to do more, it just takes some time to do the research, the writing, and the editing :) I'm glad you like it!
the sound quality is all over the place!
Hey this is really good, I've been a fan of transformers for awhile but my lore knowledge is pretty much nonexistent--
But yeah I like these videos-
Good job bro! I have a question about Logos Prime......his picture looks sorta like sound wave from Transformers Cybertron
This channel is amazing.
These are awesome! Please keep them coming.
You just got a new subscriber my friend. Keep up the great work.
I'm sure this is covered but, in the original cartoon, the Matrix was created like how explained (seeing as Primus is a multiversal being) but what is weird is that The Oracle from Call of the Primitives used to use the shell of the Creation Matrix as a home after his robot body was destroyed in an attack form Unicron. The Quintasons obtained The Oracle and emptied his sentience into the super computer Vector Sigma and cyberformed his planet into Cybertron. So logically speaking, Oracle who is pretty much cartoon Primus (if you watch Beast Wars it kind of explained that) was emptied from the shell and then the actual/Oracle used the shell to protect the Creation Matrix. So, am I right... or wrong?
Thank you so much for this
This is just perfect and it keeps getting better & thx for the origin of the Bayverse dinobots
p.s. does this apply for all the transformer universes as well
Thanks a lot! As to how it applies to the other transformers universes, the Thirteen are what are called "multiversal singularities" , meaning that they are the same character in all the universes (for now. It gets more complicated in a later story that broke them apart into different versions, but we'll get there.) These early episodes were meant to follow the perspectives of the multiversal singularities like Primus and the Thirteen, so they hop around universes. That is why this early stuff wasn't divided into videos belonging to a different universe, because at this point the only people worth talking about jump around from universe to universe.
Most of what happens in this specific episode happens in the Michael Bay universe. However, this does not mean that these characters are necessarily Michael Bay characters. Again, the Thirteen are multiversal singularities, so they don't actually particularly belong to one universe. The Fallen seen here is the same Fallen seen in the movie Revenge of the Fallen AND the same Fallen seen in the War Within: The Dark Ages comic. The Vector Prime here is the same one seen in Transformers: Cybertron, and so on.
Now there are characters that do specifically belong to one universe. For instance, the Bayverse Dinobots and Optimus Prime mentioned here do belong to the Bayverse, and they have different versions of themselves across the multiverse (Like the G1 Cartoon, the G1 Marvel comic, the IDW comics, etc.) But because they were created before the Thirteen fell, it was appropriate to mention them here.
I really hope I understood your question and answered it in a way that can be understood. Let me know if you have any other questions, I'd be glad to help!
+primusprime22 thanks again for the extravagant response
primusprime22 So the different styles web like Megatronus in RID 2015 and The Fallen in the movies and separates parts of the same person.
I take back everything I said in the first video, but I do not understand where the quintessons of primax 984.17 alpha are put into this awesome story
Oh, we'll get to that, don't worry! The short comic series from 2003 called "Transformers: Universe" really is the best piece of fiction that smooths over the relationship between Primus, the Transformers, and the Quintssons of Primax 984.17 Alpha.
primusprime22 thanks!
Great Video! !!!
+primusprime22 if you want to you can use this streaming in more videos for this series or others you may do in the future. I want to thank you. Recently I beat both Transformers: War For Cybertron and Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron. After I beat both amazing games (since you are a fan as I am you should try them if you haven't already) I found your website in my recommended list. Thank you for giving me a better understanding of lore. You have my sub and support.
It's great but for some reason I can't hear much about protos
Optimus Prime was the 13th Prime whose name was removed from the covenant of Primus so he could be reborn as Orion Pax and become Optimus Prime without his memories standing in his way. Alpha Trion secured it that way.
It is a good try to combine different universes or generations but not complete , sorry
You're referring to the Aligned Universe which formed separately from the multiverse. This refers to the main multiverse.
I didn't try anything, just organized the material we have from the fiction. Its good to try to correct someone who put more time and effort into research than you did to correct them, but you were wrong, sorry.
hmmm I have been a fan of transformers since 1984 , have every comic since 1983 .. yes 1983 , first issues. Are you even that old? Not to mention 5 movies , all that was brought out to the general audience from g1 to RiD season 2 ..... seriously ... research?
Old enough to understand continuity. Also old enough to understand that using a logical fallacy like ad hominem doesn't support your statement in the argument whatsoever.
So you are just claiming to make up for mistakes just for the heck of it ? I grew up with this and am old enough to actually remember it all , I know the difference between mutliverse and universes and generations , do you ?
Evidently you are not seeing as you tried to correct a video on multiversal continuity with aligned continuity elements, and claiming I "put these together." Study up on the concept of continuity and multiversal singularities. If you refuse to learn, I can't help you.
transformers has primearchs?
Did you include battle beasts in the multiverse?
Great video but maybe cut down on the music? Hard to hear 😊
+Marcus Rumander Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I keep trying to fix the music every time I make one of these. I mean, just take a look at Episode I's cacophony of noises :)
+primusprime22 why not just cut it out from the video? :) Less trouble 😁
I just think its nice to have some music in the background. Dead silence leaves much to be desired. Just finding the balance is my goal.
+primusprime22 Fair enough, looking forward to next episode 😊
So the fallen is megatronis cool
yes
this is just and vaugly similar to warhammer 40k lore.
Good 😊
Ok now you are just mixing up universes, the movie verse should have nothing to do with g1 or at least keep them seperate the Movie Primes only had 6 or 7 members, not 13, as far as I can tell there are 3 groups of original Primes, the Alighned ones, the normal multiverse ones, and the 6 or 7 members of the Dynasty if Primes from the movieverse.
That's not how canon works.
The Thirteen were, at the time, Multiversal Singularities [1] and were effectively the same person regardless of what universe they were in at the time. Seven of the Thirteen are called 'Primes' which reconciles with the Dynasty of Primes of which there were seven shown in the film. Despite this, these Seven are part of the Thirteen.[2]
The Uniend Cluster, however, developed separately from the Multiverse[3] initially and because of that, they were a separate group of the Thirteen. That remained as such until the quantum border was broken by the Dark Spark[3] and all the Multiversal Singularities effectively merged with their original Multiverse selves. Because of that, for a time, many members of the Thirteen and others had conflicting origins yet were the same character and also created the issue of there being sixteen members of the Thirteen though this lasted briefly because, of course, the Shroud separated all Multiversal Singularities across universes.[4]
The only exception to this would be, of course, the Thirteen in Primax 1005.19 Gamma who were, for all intents and purposes, simply normal 'bots who really had no innate supernatural ability like the singular Thirteen and simply shared names with the Uniend Thirteen.[5]
[1] Lee, F., & Khanna, D. (2005, Feb. & march). Vector Prime: In the Beginning [Cartoon]. Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club, 2(1).
[2] Hasbro. (2009, October). Hasbro Question and Answer [Press release]. Retrieved February 22, 2017, from tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/October_2009
[3] Sorenson, J., Ichikawa, H., & McFeely, C. (2015, May 18). Ask Vector Prime [Web log post]. Retrieved February 22, 2017, from facebook.com/AskVectorPrime/posts/666939033438070
[4] Wittenrich, J., & Sinclair, P. (n.d.). Another Light, Part Five- Out of the One, Many [Cartoon]. In Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (65th ed., Vol. 2). Fun Publications.
[5] Barber, J. (2014). The Crucible [Cartoon]. In The Transformers: Robots in Disguise (34th ed., Vol. 1). IDW.
the 3 groups of Primes are still separate from each other, I look at each universe as having individual things unique to them, as the Multiverse idea goes, there is an infinite number of universes, and so there may be some artifacts or beings that are unique, like multiversal singularities, but there can also be multiples of an individual, I see the Dynasty from the Movieverse as separate form the 13, they may have similarities, but they are not the 13, or members of the 13, just remember to keep the facts of multiple universes straight, I dable a lot in the Transfoiormers Multiverse idea a lot, but it can be hard to keep track of every little fact. and we still do not know to many facts about he origin of the movieverse Primes, and it is not confirmed if Primus exists in that universe, the only thin we have on Primus, is legends, but we can hope he does exist in the movieverse. and I love your content by the way, just remember the borders between univrses.
Cool fanfic. Poor understanding of canon though.
Commander Radix
I kinda get where he is coming from, these are kinda mixed up. Just because they multiverse singularities doesn’t mean you can’t just continue said story.
Dude your seriers are kewl and informative, but could you please remove the 8bit music :( its interfering with your speech
they sound like zodiac signs