The wise men were Zoroastrian priests, in their religion the messiah was son of God born by a virgin. He would be God and baptize with water and fire. He would die on a tree. All of this was prophesied 5000 to 3000 years ago
@@AEcclesiates Source? I sincerely want to collect primary sources on this. Many religions have shreds of truth and I don't doubt that there is a virgin birth and other details in Zoroastrianism, as in other ancient religions. If you are not LDS, you may doubt the topic of this video, which involves references to the Book of Mormon. The BoM is another testament of Christ, beside the Bible. But if you are LDS or believe in the Book of Mormon, then watch the vids then let me know if there is room for any other interpretation beyond the traditional one?? 😊 I address the traditional interpretation briefly in Part 1.
@Sword_of_Laban The source is the bible, it does not say wise men. It says magi and magi are zoroastrian priests. How else would you interpret something this straightforward. "I will put my thorne in Elam" why would God tell us this in Jeremaiah. Why would he want to put his throne in Iran? Maybe because zoroastrians just like jews rejected Jesus but still worshiped the same God.
@AEcclesiates No sorry, I mean a source that shows details of ancient Zoroastrians, that show they looked forward to a virgin birth etc, 3000-5000 years ago, that isn't just a more modern guess. Like, do we have their ancient scripture that states that? I don't doubt it, I simply am collecting details such as this and would love more info. In asking for that I'm not doubting the Bible necessarily either. But you point to Elam, well I can point to many other ancient place names in the Bible and say this is where the wise men came from. It's not as clear as you make it out to be, from the verse(s) about Elam. Here is the verse you referenced in case future readers want it: Jeremiah 49:37: "For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the Lord; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them: 38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord." Of anything I think having them come from Tarshish or Sheba (Psalm 72 / Isaiah 60) would be a more direct match to scripture, though I don't explore that here because we have no evidence for Tarshish or Sheba. But we do have evidence for them being Lehites. As for the Greek word "Magi," I mention it in Part 1. I don't think it's a slam dunk that they were Zoroastrians. Maybe the writer of Matthew didn't actually know what they were, but Magi was the closest word they had. Furthermore the whole point of this video series is to collect a mountain of evidence for an alternative hypothesis, that I believe outweighs a difficult verse about Elam and the question of what "Magi" really meant. Still, I'll grant that we'll never know. All we can do is seek to understand, and seek to draw closer to Christ by searching the scriptures.
@@Sword_of_Laban Well we do not know for sure. But if we assume the Avesta was not changed then these prophesies for the Messiah would remain the same. Now what I am saying about Elam is why would God want his throne there? Is he tired of the jews? Why would he move it to Iran? And let me tell you one more thing. The priests followed a star that told them that Jesus would be the Messiah. Now why would they worship (and the bible tells us they did) someone who did not align with their religion. Because following the star was from their religon. This religion would be zoroastrianism. I am not saying that I am sure of this but it is the most logical and straightforward answer.
The wise men were Zoroastrian priests, in their religion the messiah was son of God born by a virgin. He would be God and baptize with water and fire. He would die on a tree. All of this was prophesied 5000 to 3000 years ago
@@AEcclesiates Source? I sincerely want to collect primary sources on this.
Many religions have shreds of truth and I don't doubt that there is a virgin birth and other details in Zoroastrianism, as in other ancient religions.
If you are not LDS, you may doubt the topic of this video, which involves references to the Book of Mormon. The BoM is another testament of Christ, beside the Bible. But if you are LDS or believe in the Book of Mormon, then watch the vids then let me know if there is room for any other interpretation beyond the traditional one?? 😊 I address the traditional interpretation briefly in Part 1.
@Sword_of_Laban The source is the bible, it does not say wise men. It says magi and magi are zoroastrian priests. How else would you interpret something this straightforward. "I will put my thorne in Elam" why would God tell us this in Jeremaiah. Why would he want to put his throne in Iran? Maybe because zoroastrians just like jews rejected Jesus but still worshiped the same God.
@@Sword_of_Laban thanks for the answer also :)
@AEcclesiates No sorry, I mean a source that shows details of ancient Zoroastrians, that show they looked forward to a virgin birth etc, 3000-5000 years ago, that isn't just a more modern guess. Like, do we have their ancient scripture that states that? I don't doubt it, I simply am collecting details such as this and would love more info.
In asking for that I'm not doubting the Bible necessarily either. But you point to Elam, well I can point to many other ancient place names in the Bible and say this is where the wise men came from. It's not as clear as you make it out to be, from the verse(s) about Elam. Here is the verse you referenced in case future readers want it: Jeremiah 49:37: "For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the Lord; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them: 38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the Lord." Of anything I think having them come from Tarshish or Sheba (Psalm 72 / Isaiah 60) would be a more direct match to scripture, though I don't explore that here because we have no evidence for Tarshish or Sheba. But we do have evidence for them being Lehites.
As for the Greek word "Magi," I mention it in Part 1. I don't think it's a slam dunk that they were Zoroastrians. Maybe the writer of Matthew didn't actually know what they were, but Magi was the closest word they had. Furthermore the whole point of this video series is to collect a mountain of evidence for an alternative hypothesis, that I believe outweighs a difficult verse about Elam and the question of what "Magi" really meant.
Still, I'll grant that we'll never know. All we can do is seek to understand, and seek to draw closer to Christ by searching the scriptures.
@@Sword_of_Laban Well we do not know for sure. But if we assume the Avesta was not changed then these prophesies for the Messiah would remain the same. Now what I am saying about Elam is why would God want his throne there? Is he tired of the jews? Why would he move it to Iran? And let me tell you one more thing. The priests followed a star that told them that Jesus would be the Messiah. Now why would they worship (and the bible tells us they did) someone who did not align with their religion. Because following the star was from their religon. This religion would be zoroastrianism. I am not saying that I am sure of this but it is the most logical and straightforward answer.