You have to “learn how to read” Steiner, is what I found. His mind is a wonderland. I have read many, many Steiner lectures and books. He is ever present in my life, my relationship with Christ, and my sense of imagination. I think his Anthroposophical work is his Great Work.
Thanks Claire, There is so much Steiner material that it can be daunting to make your way through it. I think there is still plenty of room for people to present Steiner's work as simply as possible, at some stage I'd like to do videos outlining the ideas of some of his key books.
There's a whole new world with these books......a genius ? I have some reading ahead.....the realisation that our materialistic rules our world is so true....opening our eyes...spirituality and soul awareness ...
He deserves a lot more appreciation than he gets, but more importantly, I think it'd be a better world if more people made a genuine effort to understand his work.
@@keriford54 yes I agree anthroposophy is very complex but it's great for the soul. You can find his lectures on TH-cam. I listen to them all the time. Of course it's someone else reading it. But it's Steiner's actual word's. Have you studied theosophy or rosicrucian teachings. Yea I agree most don't want to put in the effort it takes to study. Occultism isn't something one just reads a book and your done. It's very complex and for me it's a life commitment.
Steiner himself stressed that you didn't need super-sensible knowledge to approach his work, it might help, especially if you are approaching his work through his lectures to the Anthroposophical society. But I'd like to see greater engagement with Steiner by the culture at large and I think the best way towards that is first come to an understanding of what he is saying in Philosophy of Freedom and his works on Goethe. The early work is not framed in an Anthroposophical context but it is in harmony with it.
@@keriford54 yea I agree I own the philosophy of freedom. And I listen to his lectures that are re read again by someone else. my main problem with let's say occult thought is. Be it anthroposophy or theosophy or Rosicrucian teachings. That sometimes if something written very complex. I have hard time mentally to keep up. I remember trying to read the the Rosicrucian cosmic consecration. I can read it but not I'm larger amount. That might just be my learning disorder I learn different from others. But my Passion for spiritual advancement I'd in fact there. Just blooming on its own time I guess. Thanks for responding and keeping his work alive.
I find it helps you to understand Steiner if you have a background in other wisdom traditions. For myself, this is magic and Neoplatonism. I have to re-articulate a lot of what he says; translate it into different terms to get to the essence of it. I'm sure it would help if I could read German.
He probably reached second or third stage of jhanas while he was alive. Read everything by Confucius, he talked about the same thing. It's kind of like a secret club, you're not supposed to say anything about it after reaching first stage even. For a western scholar, who attained jhanas stage, must have been weird for him. In his work, he called it "Initiation" lol.
Steiner is too thick. He could of got to the point in one tenth of his words. I listened to his writing on tobacco yesterday. He was off point. Please a " dummies guide to Rudolph Steiner".
That's more or less why I made this video. It matters how you approach Steiner, don't do it through his lectures, Philosophy of Freedom, the early works on Goethe, his Autobiography, Gary Lachman's biography and Robert McDermott's The Essential Steiner are the way to go and they both require and repay careful reading.
Actually, I have intended from time to time to do vlogs with as simple an explanation as possible of a particular book. I think this would be particularly valuable for Philosophy of Freedom & maybe Esoteric Science an outline. It'd take a fair bit of time and work to do, which I don't have at present, but it'd be worth doing.
@@keriford54 To me Steiner is so akin to Sweedenborg. They are both on lost in their own personal spiritual realities I can only try to find an axis point to hold on to. Those who can relate thank you.
I have read some Swedenborg and found him interesting, but I think Steiner is more important. Steiner to me is much more a philosopher and has a theory of knowledge that i think the contemporary world could benefit from. Owen Barfield I think puts a lot of the same insights as Steiner into a more acceptable format. Reading Barfield is a very good aid to understanding Steiner as he only writes about what he can independently verify.. I think the issue you are raising is a genuine problem and that is Steiner has a huge body of work derived from his lectures that is pretty arcane, and I am not certain of the value of it, but I think for those new to Steiner they are better off ignoring it. It can be distracting from important insights that he has to give. However, once his foundational book( the 2 Goethe books & Philosophy of Freedom) have been digested, I think his overall cosmology (as given in his book Occult Science an outline) is worth considering and speculating on how it fits into his foundational books.
Although Steiner was with the Theosophists for a while he was not much influenced by them. I also don't see much influence from Indian philosophy or tradition, I wish he was more so, I find him unconvincing when he does comment on Indian spiritual tradition.. Have you read his autobiography? Steiner, in contrast to the Theosophists, was very western based.
Thanks for watching, I suspect I'm never going to speak loudly as it just wouldn't be me and my Kiwi accent might be a bit hard for some people, having said that I think my videos are better if I script them, this one was not scripted and I think it shows.
You have to “learn how to read” Steiner, is what I found. His mind is a wonderland. I have read many, many Steiner lectures and books. He is ever present in my life, my relationship with Christ, and my sense of imagination. I think his Anthroposophical work is his Great Work.
So grateful to you for this very helpful intro. I needed direction. Thank you.
Thanks Claire, There is so much Steiner material that it can be daunting to make your way through it. I think there is still plenty of room for people to present Steiner's work as simply as possible, at some stage I'd like to do videos outlining the ideas of some of his key books.
There's a whole new world with these books......a genius ? I have some reading ahead.....the realisation that our materialistic rules our world is so true....opening our eyes...spirituality and soul awareness
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I found Steiner by pure accident, best accident I have ever had
I just discovered him recently he is the greatest
Love Rudolf steiner was a great occultist and a intelligent man.
He deserves a lot more appreciation than he gets, but more importantly, I think it'd be a better world if more people made a genuine effort to understand his work.
@@keriford54 yes I agree anthroposophy is very complex but it's great for the soul. You can find his lectures on TH-cam. I listen to them all the time. Of course it's someone else reading it. But it's Steiner's actual word's. Have you studied theosophy or rosicrucian teachings. Yea I agree most don't want to put in the effort it takes to study. Occultism isn't something one just reads a book and your done. It's very complex and for me it's a life commitment.
@Kevin Wilmore definitely agree with but that's the beauty in enlightenment it comes in Waves.😁
Steiner himself stressed that you didn't need super-sensible knowledge to approach his work, it might help, especially if you are approaching his work through his lectures to the Anthroposophical society. But I'd like to see greater engagement with Steiner by the culture at large and I think the best way towards that is first come to an understanding of what he is saying in Philosophy of Freedom and his works on Goethe. The early work is not framed in an Anthroposophical context but it is in harmony with it.
@@keriford54 yea I agree I own the philosophy of freedom. And I listen to his lectures that are re read again by someone else. my main problem with let's say occult thought is. Be it anthroposophy or theosophy or Rosicrucian teachings. That sometimes if something written very complex. I have hard time mentally to keep up. I remember trying to read the the Rosicrucian cosmic consecration. I can read it but not I'm larger amount. That might just be my learning disorder I learn different from others. But my Passion for spiritual advancement I'd in fact there. Just blooming on its own time I guess. Thanks for responding and keeping his work alive.
Steiner was an apostle of Jesus Christ we all should strive for as much.
I find it helps you to understand Steiner if you have a background in other wisdom traditions. For myself, this is magic and Neoplatonism.
I have to re-articulate a lot of what he says; translate it into different terms to get to the essence of it. I'm sure it would help if I could read German.
Yes I also thought that one must rephrase in one’s own words in order to interpret it better and smoothly
He has a voice to convince your mind
Awesome, thanks!
He probably reached second or third stage of jhanas while he was alive. Read everything by Confucius, he talked about the same thing. It's kind of like a secret club, you're not supposed to say anything about it after reaching first stage even. For a western scholar, who attained jhanas stage, must have been weird for him. In his work, he called it "Initiation" lol.
Steiner is too thick. He could of got to the point in one tenth of his words. I listened to his writing on tobacco yesterday. He was off point. Please a " dummies guide to Rudolph Steiner".
That's more or less why I made this video. It matters how you approach Steiner, don't do it through his lectures, Philosophy of Freedom, the early works on Goethe, his Autobiography, Gary Lachman's biography and Robert McDermott's The Essential Steiner are the way to go and they both require and repay careful reading.
Actually, I have intended from time to time to do vlogs with as simple an explanation as possible of a particular book. I think this would be particularly valuable for Philosophy of Freedom & maybe Esoteric Science an outline. It'd take a fair bit of time and work to do, which I don't have at present, but it'd be worth doing.
@@keriford54 To me Steiner is so akin to Sweedenborg. They are both on lost in their own personal spiritual realities I can only try to find an axis point to hold on to. Those who can relate thank you.
I have read some Swedenborg and found him interesting, but I think Steiner is more important. Steiner to me is much more a philosopher and has a theory of knowledge that i think the contemporary world could benefit from. Owen Barfield I think puts a lot of the same insights as Steiner into a more acceptable format. Reading Barfield is a very good aid to understanding Steiner as he only writes about what he can independently verify..
I think the issue you are raising is a genuine problem and that is Steiner has a huge body of work derived from his lectures that is pretty arcane, and I am not certain of the value of it, but I think for those new to Steiner they are better off ignoring it. It can be distracting from important insights that he has to give. However, once his foundational book( the 2 Goethe books & Philosophy of Freedom) have been digested, I think his overall cosmology (as given in his book Occult Science an outline) is worth considering and speculating on how it fits into his foundational books.
Steiner waffles too much. Also vague, avoids specifics. I think it's deliberate. He had his own personal "agenda"
Rudolf Steiner copy cat South Indian sidhar philosophies and life sciences from he is guru Besant Annie.
Although Steiner was with the Theosophists for a while he was not much influenced by them. I also don't see much influence from Indian philosophy or tradition, I wish he was more so, I find him unconvincing when he does comment on Indian spiritual tradition.. Have you read his autobiography? Steiner, in contrast to the Theosophists, was very western based.
@@keriford54 Steiner was thoughtful gentle and had more knowledge than 99% of society.
thnx try to speak harder
Thanks for watching, I suspect I'm never going to speak loudly as it just wouldn't be me and my Kiwi accent might be a bit hard for some people, having said that I think my videos are better if I script them, this one was not scripted and I think it shows.
@@keriford54 th-cam.com/video/C4OiRuLt0Xs/w-d-xo.html
@@keriford54 I think you speak just dandy. Then again, I'm a Kiwi too so I don't hear a problem.