Many thanks for producing this excellent series. Lots of extremely useful insight and your galloping commentary is fluid, varied and engaging, even with a long list of sometimes similar vehicles to review. Great stuff.
This video is consistent with what I heard on forums about the new race cars. I had already purchased the racecar Jester, but was waiting for this video to come out before I made a decision on purchasing the racecar Massacro.
Hoping they release a version of the Porshe Spyder 918. That might give the Jester racecar and Elegy a run for its money. Shame it'll probably cost like $500,000 or more while still being in the sport category :p
SO glad I waited until you published this video before deciding between the race car versions of the Jester and Massacro. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and have a wonderful 2015 all! :-)
I was so sure that the racecars would dethrone the elegy but very close laptimes indeed! merry christmas and looking forward to tomorrow's muscle cars video!
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Broughy ( or anyone that'll respond ), in your opinion what is the best car over all fully modded under the influence of Franklin's special ability? Also, is it possible that in the future you could rank cars and other vehicles in categories like acceleration, top speed, etc.? Anyways, have a merry christmas/ happy hanukah/ whatever doesn't offend you. Keep up the great work Broughy. I use your videos religiously so please never stop. LOl
wow u put so much effort in here m8. liked and subbed. also it seems like rockstar doesnt like to earn lots of money after all, cuz the fastest car is free. lol
i spent all my money on the racing massacro and upgrading it... its a real fun car to drive! already have the elegy fully modded so i think i might leave the jester race. made a mistake and bought the wrong car doh. only realized on checking back on this video...... however on review i think it was a mistake well made as the massacro will do for longer straighter tracks while the elegy is still king on tracks like your test track. i would buy them all haha but just dont have the time to grind the cash. cheers for the videos broughy i really enjoy your content... keep at it..... ps cant wait for gtav online heists and racing on pc... got ma rig ready to go (really hope the game is well optimized) maybe see you on there one day
Hey Broughy, I don't know if I speak for anyone else but I would love to see some rally racing and the best cars for rally races. It would be interesting to see how the best cars perform off-road.
I found I win most races with the Banshee, you can do the Mid-Drive speed boost out of the corners where you drop into first or second gear. No.1 imo but great vid Broughy, it would be great to work with you sometime but I'm on the XB1, damn shaaaaame! :'(
In a high level race that speed boost isn't enough to propel the banshee into the top tier. It's good for drag racing obviously and against other randoms, but it just isn't going to cut in unfortunately when racing against some of the better drivers in Jesters, Massacros, Feltzers, etc :)
In my opinion they absolutely don't have to make the new cars that come out be better than the ones that are already in it. I think it's kind of cool that this class still have the same nr 1 since day one. They have done the best thing which is to have another car come in and be so close that it is completely up to preference and ability. If there is one class where i would like to see a change it is in the sport classics. It makes no sense that that old ugly car(yes i know it's a matter of taste) is fastest. I know it isn't meant to be precise but on the web page where you buy it it says 0-60 in 10 seconds. Any other sports classics car for sale would smoke that.
Ive watched lots of you videos and i have to say you have done a quite good job. And i trust the fastest car lists. But i know its too much to ask but would be very interesting to test them all in a complete difernt track to see how places change (also if it were a rockstar race even better since most people race in them) thanks again for putting so much time doing these vids.
hoche27 Appreciate that thanks :) I created this track so it would be a good balance and representation of most tracks and test cars on all their abilities. Of course some tracks may favour some cars over others but given it took me about 3 months to do all the original testing for this series I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to commit to doing them all again on a different track, sorry!
Haha no problem , didnt realise it took that long(3months!!!) . So then choosing the right car in every race its very important, i think we agree in that. The thing is its not that easy, and sometimes, tricky
Love your videos, just wish you added a placings in the description so we could see and/or compare times easily on paper, or see how a new car we purchased holds up and find it easy without having to watch the whole video.
Will you be updating the spreadsheet as you progress through the classes videos or wait until you are through them all? And as mentioned before it would be absolutely awesome if you could mark your favorite vehicle for racing in each class in the spreadsheet.
Camoprime I always put turbo on cars, and plus. The Elegy is too difficult to control for o 12 year old. It takes skill to master the Elegy, and customisations to beat a Jester Racecar. You know why the Elegy beats all of them? Because they put a GTR in the sports class.
On april fools you should make a video saying that the blista compact is the fastest car :P not sure how could pull that off but it'd be funny :D Thanks for posting as always
Just went through some of your video's loving them mate! After watching this I went on that track two laps in the coquette got 1.04 give her another spin, blinding car ;)
I would check that you're using the correct track. This is Cutting Coroners GP, made by myself (found here: bit.ly/BroughysCrew) and is longer than the original Rockstar made Cutting Coroners.
Don't forget to update your spreadsheet. I use it quite a lot. Also... I was hoping that the gap between the two race cars would be a little bit tighter.
Happy holidays Broughy from Jamaica, I was thinking that it would be a nice idea to show the lap times of each car tested at the end of your videos so we can pause and see all lap times and T R Y and have a go at your's!!!. BTW do you or plan to have BROUGHY VERIFIED apparel ?
Mogi, you can easily check this by going to LS customs and see if the traction stat changes when swapping the spoiler. Would've checked it myself if I owned one.
a few other things have come to mind. kerb boosting and offroad tyres, is there less equal or more effect. Also, when landing after a large drop or jump, sometimes it will land and stop/lose speed, do what wheels matter to land on, say back wheels for rear wheel drive
Hey Broughy! Question for you- When you tested the Schwartzer, did you do it with the roll cage or without? I recently modded one up because I like the looks of it, and found it comically difficult to drive with the roll cage in place. I took the cage out, and it became much more useable. Obviously not on the pace (or anywhere near it), but not quite the pig that it is when it has it in. Just wondering if that had anything to do with how it scored in your testing. Cheers!
LOL... Curious, I decided to try it again and test it out on Cutting Corners. You're right. It must have been wishful thinking on my part :( A shame, as its a beautiful car.
I thought this was going to be in the next gen. I knew that the elegy was going to be the fastest one, but if the elegy was a rear wheel drive car do you think it will still be the fastest and better?
Certianly wasn't expecting the new Jester to be that high up on the list. Definatly trading in my Massacro for the race version, because racecar but, I think I'll also save up for the new Jester aswell. Now all I need is a 4th garage...lol.
Really well done, dam tho i never want to race you lol, my question as i noticed the dirt tires on the cars does this matter in anyway, I am guessing not but would like to know your opinion
Hey, first I'd like to say that your videos are really interesting, you remind me of a guy from Battlefield 3 back in the day, he used to do the exact same kind of explanations videos (about guns stats), same accent, same minutie, same way to explain. I think you are his hidden twin brother. Then I have 2 questions, what is the best between the racing Massacro and racing Jester for straight line only race ? (high speed required) You play on the new version, so in the race editor mode, what is the max number of items you can use to create a race ? (PS3 is limited to 50)
Off-Road Tyres - Are we still thinking they make such a difference. Noticed quite a few racers going back to High end tyres on PS4. Tested a few laps again with both types over a lap with a few curb cuts and did not seem to notice a lot of difference in lap times or handling over the curbs. What does everyone think.
looks ridiculous, but i feel they are necessary. it helps so much when going over curbs, i don't care about boosts, but the car handles the bumps way better, and they seem to have a bit better traction compared to other tires to me.
Really do wish the coquette was a bit more competitive. If it was in the same bunch of lap times as the 9F or Surano, I'd never stop racing it. I'm a sucker for vettes so it's a bit painful to see it so low on the list. Then again with all the nicely balanced new cars within the Ill gotten gains updates who knows. Maybe one day there will be a C7.R based coquette that's more competitive.
I just buy the Jester (no racecar) i have the money to buy the racecar ver but i buy for the "this is the most balanced car in the game" and i agree alot. :) This is one of my favorite cars in the game now.Feels so stable and easy im in love with this car. :) Im in pleasure to drivin it looks so sweet without the liveries and with the red and silver metallic paint jop i put on it. Keep it up Broughy you know very well about the cars of this game. :)
Lol i have the Elegy too.I would say feels like the Elegy quite underpowered on a straighline but with better brakes and more stable and balanced.Just feels quite weak in terms of acceleration compared to the Racecar or even the Elegy.To be honest tho i hate the Elegy a im more of a Massacro/Jester guy.
This is why I still haven't bought either Jester. I can't decide if the racecar version is that much better performance wise vs how good the non racecar version is looks wise. If you had both you'd probably always end up selecting the best performing car, right? I hate having 2 of the same car even if it is slightly different.
Is the Elegy RH 8 still the fastest sports when fully upgraded? I am continuously told that the Massacro is the fastest when fully upgraded. Please respond as soon as possible. Thanks!
Yes. People just find the massacro easiest to drive. It's the "amateurs" car of choice. Nothing wrong with that of course, it will do fine in most lobbies. It's just a little off the pace of the top two when all cars are being pushed to their limits by the best drivers.
Hello me again, but I know you said that the suspension isn't needed to improve performance. However, I was watching a GTA drift video and they said, the lower the car the easier to drift, so saying that, I lowered my Elegy and it started sliding more, however I did add the highest standing spoiler and I noticed you don't have it on your test cars. I was wondering basically, does suspension really affect cars traction and Elegy's wing height matter? Thank You the first time I asked you a question for responding SO quickly and Thank You for making your AWESOME, DOUBLE THUMBS UP videos, cause I can save money not buying crappy cars. One quick question, what's your views on the Coil Voltic?
Just wondering, is there a little difference in the performance of the 9f vs the 9f cabrio? It has a little bit of difference in weight distribution and their maximum (fake) top speed is slightly different (9f 191mph , cabrio 189mph) in the website (which is accurate regarding the max velocity).
hey i had a question for your fact finding, ive heard controversy about carbon car parts reducing weight( because it shows that it loses weight in ifruit app) would it be worth testing acceleration/ and on your top speed track( a car with out carbon vs a car with all carbon parts )?
Hey broughy, I don't know what to make of this, but your time for the Massacro Racecar was 1:04:031. I just ran a lap, making major mistakes like oversteering, hitting things, etc and got a 1:03:999. The thing is, i know when you perform these tests you run laps until you feel you've gotten the most possible out of each car. Could my time be a glitch? I saved the video but i can't see anyting wrong with it, apart from my driving :)
Check you weren't driving the original cutting coroners track since I test on my own longer variation. (Cutting coroners GP). If not then by all means show me the video
i agree what you said about the elegy... but trying not to brag here but im not bad at racing myself, when in sports cars i only have an elegy so i have to race with that, and when i do race with that i see that it tends to fuck up on corners and uncontrollably spin out with just the slightest hard turning. is the 9f cabrio any good? I would have assumed that would've been in the top 10 at least...
Judging by the list of core, raw game date that you yourself tested with - Shouldn't the Massacro and the Race Car version be the exact same, with the difference here being slight variation in how you drove the course?
The racecar version of the Massacro has slightly higher traction max and traction min stats, therefore is slightly quicker in the corners, leading to the difference in lap time.
***** I see, thank you. So basically, even beyond the actual gamecore stats, if there's a difference in the stats showing on the in game selection, the better one will be better? That's a lot of variables for a game that doesn't even focus on racing, he.
I have 2 questions; Is the Buffalo S the same as a regular Buffalo? And, does the type of spoiler make a difference, or is any spoiler good for the boost? Thanks!
Both the buffalo and buffalo S are featured in this video so your friend question should already have been answered. And you want any spoiler that isn't a stock spoiler found automatically on the car.
I'm so glad muscle is next. All the cars that haven't been properly tested will be done (Dukes, Stallion, Rat-Truck, Slamvan). I seriously hope the Dukes can win this.
***** Hope you mention the Dukes is XB1/PS4/PC-only, to save the last gen people kerb-crawling for it for hours...not that I did that or anything. ;) I think I'll stick with my Blade - I hijacked a Dominator and spun it just accelerating away from the crime scene.
I hope they allow us to use skin mods in the game later. Such as pasting the Rat Truck over the Zentorno. Personally, I'd like to cover up the Bati 801 with the Faggio :p
I'm not contesting your findings, but I was able to get 1:02 in the Massacro Racecar with only a spoiler, no engine upgrades. Pretty lucky as every other lap is at least 3 seconds longer for me. IMO, it's the driver not the car with similar cars.
You're probably using Rockstar's Cutting Coroners. My testing is done on a a longer version created my myself. Find it here: bit.ly/BroughysTracks (Cutting Coroners GP)
I was hoping the race versions of the Jester and Massacro would get better lap times than the Elegy but alas the "king" is still the Elegy. Perhaps it's a bit of a consolation that the Elegy requires more expertise and proper application of it's traction to get the best lap times than the more balanced Race Jester and that the Race Massacro (and original) are better for longer straightaway races where the superior acceleration and top speed comes into play. Still, it's good to know that these Race version cars are worth buying and keeping in my newly bought 3rd garage. Personally I love the looks and the handling of both and am looking forward to more random Sports class races (and not just the same Super class races that players seem to host over and over and over...)
Hey Broughy, i really like your channel, it is great and a big help. I love the Massacro (Racecar), just better over curbs then the jester. And have now finally a fully upgraded version, but i cant get near your 1:04.031 time you did. My best till now is 1:05.1XX. I watched already a lot of your videos and tried to do my car faster. Till now i dont have any armor (heavier?) and no suspension (more problems with curbs?). Do they make the car faster? And how important it is to drive over curbs on this track? Maybe you also have some other Tips. Thanks Martin
I try to actively avoid kerbs during my testing but going over them will help. Other aspects that aren't engine, transmission, brakes, turbo and spoiler have no effect on performance. It's just about being a little cleaner with everything when you're pushing for those top times.
+Broughy1322 I am sure i lose some time in the hairpin corner (hope it is the correct English word for it, 2nd last corner)! Thanks for the quick reply, keep up the great work.
Thanks for the great video updates Broughy! I am interested in acquiring the Sultan for its 4-door feature, are there any performance differences between the regular and "Sultan RS"?
No. There is actually no such vehicle as a Sultan RS in GTA V. It just has the RS badge when certain body mods are applied. Just a cosmetic feature - the name of the car remains just the Sultan.
I bought the regular jester not long ago and now I'm not sure if I should sell it and buy the race version, I do like to race a bit in Gta and I want to be able to unlock all the upgrades.
Are these cars really fully upgraded? I am so confused the first time I ever went around Cutting Corners just a minute ago I got a 1:00:46 as my best lap time in my Jester Race car and I don't consider myself much of a racer.
Weerd This isn't cutting coroners (there's a second "o" in that too). This is Cutting Coroners GP made by myself and is longer than the original. You can find it here: bit.ly/BroughysTracks
Thank you for the video Broughty! I'd like to ask you what happened with the Cabrio version of the 9F. Do they perform the same way? They don't have the same spoiler, I may add. Thank you in advance!
The Coquette is my favorite car (cause I like the Corvette in real life) and in all honesty it's really only lacking slightly in acceleration. Other than that it's a nice well balanced car.
What's the Blista Compact? I had this game before the release date of this video, but I've never heard of or seen this car. How do you get it if it's still available.
So lately, the whole thing about spoilers changing how a car reacts has popped up, as you have stated in one of your videos. Did you know about this at the time of making these laps? Or did you just use spoilers that looked best, or were the cheapest? Also, I managed a 1:03.831 with the infernus, using high end tires! Figured I would mention it, the car is a challenge to learn, but a lot of fun.
blackdragondlb The difference in spoilers, suspension, or even tyres is all about feel and driver preference. In the end having one kind of spoiler isn't going to produce different lap times when both are pushed to their limits. Some drivers just feel more comfortable with one setup than another. So in the end it makes no difference. Also remember to be careful when comparing lap times. Apart from PC being quicker overall, I don't use kerb boosts in my testing ;)
I notice you use off-road tires for all your cars, even on a full-asphalt track. Are they better all-around? I only have off-road tires on off-road-ish vehicles, should I have them on everything?
How come in this video at about 2:55 you say that the sultan is the quickest 4door car in the game, but in your TopSpeedExposed video, the exemplar has a higher top speed(about 9 minutes in). Is this a relation that though the Exemplar has a higher top speed, it has less effective handling which affects its timing around the corners? Exemplar (1:08.746 per lap) - Sultan, (1:07.277 per lap) I see that based on your lap testing the sultan turned out at a faster time, but like I said before, the exemplar has a higher speed?
nice to see that the race car variants matter, was definetly going to get the race variants(mostly cause a possible yellow light of death, may had force me to reformat everything, so no SP Styling sessions at LS Customs, the elegy sure won't give its crown easily, like its friendly neighborhood Entity XF did, either ways, thanks for all you have done for us broughy, wish you had a wonderful(place dec holiday or event here), and happy new years to come, oh and an extra wonderful GTA[V/O] Experience, ^-^ ltr..,
you deserve 1 million subs
The Race Car Jester is an interesting beast. Very smooth and forgiving over a race distance.
I'm pleased that the Jester racecar placed so well. I traded in my original Jester when the Massacro came out. That third garage is filling up fast!
Many thanks for producing this excellent series. Lots of extremely useful insight and your galloping commentary is fluid, varied and engaging, even with a long list of sometimes similar vehicles to review. Great stuff.
And thank you for watching! Happy to help :)
This was supprisingly professionally made and was a joy to watch. Thanks for the testdrives!
Glad to help! :) Cheers!
This video is consistent with what I heard on forums about the new race cars. I had already purchased the racecar Jester, but was waiting for this video to come out before I made a decision on purchasing the racecar Massacro.
Makes you wonder if the Elegy will ever be dethroned in the sports class.
I can't imagine it ever will be. Unless we see an Elegy racecar XD
Oh God, that thing would beat the Zentorno.
NightBot Ban But would it beat the Zentorno racecar...
Brandon00151 Racecarception.
Hoping they release a version of the Porshe Spyder 918. That might give the Jester racecar and Elegy a run for its money. Shame it'll probably cost like $500,000 or more while still being in the sport category :p
SO glad I waited until you published this video before deciding between the race car versions of the Jester and Massacro. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and have a wonderful 2015 all! :-)
Thanks for putting this together with the new race car versions. I've been looking forward to it!
Thanks for the video and merry Christmas Broughy! You're close to 20k subs too ;)
I was so sure that the racecars would dethrone the elegy but very close laptimes indeed! merry christmas and looking forward to tomorrow's muscle cars video!
Your scientific method of testing these cars is top notch. nice job, you have created a very accurate scale to judge these cars . thank you so much.
Thank you very much for this comparison. This is the one I've been waiting for the most!
Want to know about the Kuruma from the Heists DLC? Well click here: th-cam.com/video/k_U7F9Fe43o/w-d-xo.html (or just check the playlist as mentioned where you'll find everything).
Is the obey 9f as easy to drive as the comet
+Jovanni Galvez The 9f fishtails abit but if you can control it then yes
+Sam Digby hi
Why didn't the jester have the race modifications and GT wing spoiler
Lucas hopgood Because they don't impact performance in any way above and beyond the regular spoiler/body mods
Lawn mower would wreck all of these tin cans.
My Dozer can R3K your lawnmower LikeABoss!
+E.P Σpan HA! Your dozer aint shit agianst my bmx
GANDALF 68 In reality, walking is 3x faster than the dozer... so take that!
Gg man you have beaten me you win xD
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I can't believe I thought this vids were useless some years ago...
I've learned so much since then, lol.
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Awesome videos brother. Thanks for taking the time to test all of this!
Thanks, you're welcome :)
You have very high quality videos so you just earned a sub
Thanks!
Damn you've been busy! Really interesting video
I have been busy you're right :D
Happy Christmas mate! Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the tip about the offroad tires. I use them in all classes now.
Thought for sure that the Jester Racecar was going to unseat the Elegy. Thanks for these Broughy!
Broughy ( or anyone that'll respond ), in your opinion what is the best car over all fully modded under the influence of Franklin's special ability? Also, is it possible that in the future you could rank cars and other vehicles in categories like acceleration, top speed, etc.? Anyways, have a merry christmas/ happy hanukah/ whatever doesn't offend you. Keep up the great work Broughy. I use your videos religiously so please never stop. LOl
Didn't know the Jester (race car) was so fast. Thx for info Broughy!
wow u put so much effort in here m8. liked and subbed. also it seems like rockstar doesnt like to earn lots of money after all, cuz the fastest car is free. lol
Just sold my Jester regular version for the race version. Cheers for the help as always.
Uploaded on Christmas Huh btw youve helped alot with these kinds of vids bro
Thanks Broughy!! Always debated over the 2 Racecars but I sure will be getting the Jester now :)
i spent all my money on the racing massacro and upgrading it... its a real fun car to drive! already have the elegy fully modded so i think i might leave the jester race. made a mistake and bought the wrong car doh. only realized on checking back on this video...... however on review i think it was a mistake well made as the massacro will do for longer straighter tracks while the elegy is still king on tracks like your test track. i would buy them all haha but just dont have the time to grind the cash. cheers for the videos broughy i really enjoy your content... keep at it..... ps cant wait for gtav online heists and racing on pc... got ma rig ready to go (really hope the game is well optimized) maybe see you on there one day
Yeah you can't go wrong with either the mass or the jester. You chose well :) Cheers!
Great video dude, subscribed! :D
Thanks! :)
Thanks for your hard work! It's greatly appreciated!
You're welcome :)
That was exactly the conclusion i arrived at with the two new cars. The race Jester is my favorite sports car
And great video by the way. I am looking forward to the muscle cars.
Hey Broughy, I don't know if I speak for anyone else but I would love to see some rally racing and the best cars for rally races. It would be interesting to see how the best cars perform off-road.
Very good racing lines
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I found I win most races with the Banshee, you can do the Mid-Drive speed boost out of the corners where you drop into first or second gear. No.1 imo but great vid Broughy, it would be great to work with you sometime but I'm on the XB1, damn shaaaaame! :'(
In a high level race that speed boost isn't enough to propel the banshee into the top tier. It's good for drag racing obviously and against other randoms, but it just isn't going to cut in unfortunately when racing against some of the better drivers in Jesters, Massacros, Feltzers, etc :)
Jester R ... sold! Merry Christmas Broughty
Awesome vids man👍 I subbed
Thanks!
Goddamnit Rockstar, Elegy still the best. You had ONE job.
um no....
In my opinion they absolutely don't have to make the new cars that come out be better than the ones that are already in it. I think it's kind of cool that this class still have the same nr 1 since day one. They have done the best thing which is to have another car come in and be so close that it is completely up to preference and ability.
If there is one class where i would like to see a change it is in the sport classics. It makes no sense that that old ugly car(yes i know it's a matter of taste) is fastest. I know it isn't meant to be precise but on the web page where you buy it it says 0-60 in 10 seconds. Any other sports classics car for sale would smoke that.
TheGameTripleH4Life Z-Type is a nod to GTA 2, and you're new to this channel.
Szymon Zientalak How am i new to this channel?
***** If by new you mean only having watched every gta related video for the last year then yes i'm new to this channel.
Daym, predicted those exact time differences on the Cloud 9 forums when the cars came out :D
Ive watched lots of you videos and i have to say you have done a quite good job. And i trust the fastest car lists. But i know its too much to ask but would be very interesting to test them all in a complete difernt track to see how places change (also if it were a rockstar race even better since most people race in them) thanks again for putting so much time doing these vids.
hoche27 Appreciate that thanks :) I created this track so it would be a good balance and representation of most tracks and test cars on all their abilities. Of course some tracks may favour some cars over others but given it took me about 3 months to do all the original testing for this series I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to commit to doing them all again on a different track, sorry!
Haha no problem , didnt realise it took that long(3months!!!) . So then choosing the right car in every race its very important, i think we agree in that. The thing is its not that easy, and sometimes, tricky
Man epic video! Subbed u ;)
Broughy, i find your videos extremely helpful and very reliable so i was wondering if you could share how to win boat and air races
Now this is something I want to see so badly,Elegies,Jesters,Massacros and no decision
Jester R owns for the most part now. I hope they do more Livery race vehicles.
Best GTA 5 channel on TH-cam BTW.
Thanks!
Love your videos, just wish you added a placings in the description so we could see and/or compare times easily on paper, or see how a new car we purchased holds up and find it easy without having to watch the whole video.
You know how I always say check the playlist? :) th-cam.com/video/lkxYRoRT0LA/w-d-xo.html
Hey Broughy have you ever tested the double clutch method on the Banshee and Rapid GT? I would like to see the times they could put out.
Will you be updating the spreadsheet as you progress through the classes videos or wait until you are through them all? And as mentioned before it would be absolutely awesome if you could mark your favorite vehicle for racing in each class in the spreadsheet.
Yep I'll update the spreadsheet once the muscle cars video is out and all cars have been tested.
Thanks to your review I'm thinking about getting an Alpha. I didn't know it was that quick and the customization options look great on it too.
The Elegy is actually free, so... think about that for a minute,huh?
Camoprime I always put turbo on cars, and plus. The Elegy is too difficult to control for o 12 year old. It takes skill to master the Elegy, and customisations to beat a Jester Racecar. You know why the Elegy beats all of them? Because they put a GTR in the sports class.
+Camoprime damn he shut you up fammm
+E.P Σpan I already have an Elegy what's your point? I wanted an Alpha but I didn't know about how quick it was till this video. Derpy post is derp.
On april fools you should make a video saying that the blista compact is the fastest car :P not sure how could pull that off but it'd be funny :D Thanks for posting as always
Just went through some of your video's loving them mate! After watching this I went on that track two laps in the coquette got 1.04 give her another spin, blinding car ;)
I would check that you're using the correct track. This is Cutting Coroners GP, made by myself (found here: bit.ly/BroughysCrew) and is longer than the original Rockstar made Cutting Coroners.
Don't forget to update your spreadsheet. I use it quite a lot.
Also... I was hoping that the gap between the two race cars would be a little bit tighter.
Yep I will :)
Happy holidays Broughy from Jamaica, I was thinking that it would be a nice idea to show the lap times of each car tested at the end of your videos so we can pause and see all lap times and T R Y and have a go at your's!!!. BTW do you or plan to have BROUGHY VERIFIED apparel ?
AjaxFCJamaica Jamaica14 Oh wow. Broughy Verified T-shirts. Best idea ever. I must look into this
Broughy... The comet, even though it comes with a spoiler i think it gets better traction if you dong go with the stock one.....
Mogi, you can easily check this by going to LS customs and see if the traction stat changes when swapping the spoiler.
Would've checked it myself if I owned one.
true, stock spoiler on every car is just for looks.
a few other things have come to mind. kerb boosting and offroad tyres, is there less equal or more effect. Also, when landing after a large drop or jump, sometimes it will land and stop/lose speed, do what wheels matter to land on, say back wheels for rear wheel drive
Yes
Best racer in gta 5! I learnt so much from your cutting coroner video, and i already got 50 wins in super class
Glad to help! Thanks :)
Hey Broughy! Question for you-
When you tested the Schwartzer, did you do it with the roll cage or without? I recently modded one up because I like the looks of it, and found it comically difficult to drive with the roll cage in place. I took the cage out, and it became much more useable. Obviously not on the pace (or anywhere near it), but not quite the pig that it is when it has it in. Just wondering if that had anything to do with how it scored in your testing. Cheers!
Haven't noticed any differences between any cars with or without roll cages in my own experience.
LOL... Curious, I decided to try it again and test it out on Cutting Corners.
You're right. It must have been wishful thinking on my part :(
A shame, as its a beautiful car.
I thought this was going to be in the next gen.
I knew that the elegy was going to be the fastest one, but if the elegy was a rear wheel drive car do you think it will still be the fastest and better?
Certianly wasn't expecting the new Jester to be that high up on the list. Definatly trading in my Massacro for the race version, because racecar but, I think I'll also save up for the new Jester aswell. Now all I need is a 4th garage...lol.
Haha yes! 4th garage next please!
does it matter what spoiler you use? does the most expensive one give most traction?
Really well done, dam tho i never want to race you lol, my question as i noticed the dirt tires on the cars does this matter in anyway, I am guessing not but would like to know your opinion
@watch?v=d0kDIRrxgIA Should help :)
wow thanks allot pretty much have to binge watch all your videos now as i love racing in GTA
Hey, first I'd like to say that your videos are really interesting, you remind me of a guy from Battlefield 3 back in the day, he used to do the exact same kind of explanations videos (about guns stats), same accent, same minutie, same way to explain. I think you are his hidden twin brother.
Then I have 2 questions, what is the best between the racing Massacro and racing Jester for straight line only race ? (high speed required)
You play on the new version, so in the race editor mode, what is the max number of items you can use to create a race ? (PS3 is limited to 50)
1 - Massacro | 2 - 100 props. Hope that helps! Glad you enjoy my videos :)
Off-Road Tyres - Are we still thinking they make such a difference. Noticed quite a few racers going back to High end tyres on PS4. Tested a few laps again with both types over a lap with a few curb cuts and did not seem to notice a lot of difference in lap times or handling over the curbs. What does everyone think.
I've never bothered
It helps, but just looks too ridiculous to me. I'll take a loss here and there if I don't have to put off road tires on.
Joshua F exactly my view.
JAMEZ-NASH Off roads still help yes
looks ridiculous, but i feel they are necessary. it helps so much when going over curbs, i don't care about boosts, but the car handles the bumps way better, and they seem to have a bit better traction compared to other tires to me.
Really do wish the coquette was a bit more competitive. If it was in the same bunch of lap times as the 9F or Surano, I'd never stop racing it. I'm a sucker for vettes so it's a bit painful to see it so low on the list. Then again with all the nicely balanced new cars within the Ill gotten gains updates who knows. Maybe one day there will be a C7.R based coquette that's more competitive.
thx for all those vids, but how do u have all those mony to buy every car and upgrade them to test?
Watch the intro video to the series for full explanation
I just buy the Jester (no racecar) i have the money to buy the racecar ver but i buy for the "this is the most balanced car in the game" and i agree alot. :)
This is one of my favorite cars in the game now.Feels so stable and easy im in love with this car. :)
Im in pleasure to drivin it looks so sweet without the liveries and with the red and silver metallic paint jop i put on it.
Keep it up Broughy you know very well about the cars of this game. :)
Lol elegy is still faster
Lol i have the Elegy too.I would say feels like the Elegy quite underpowered on a straighline but with better brakes and more stable and balanced.Just feels quite weak in terms of acceleration compared to the Racecar or even the Elegy.To be honest tho i hate the Elegy a im more of a Massacro/Jester guy.
highend marks i have an elegy with all upgrades for racing. i like elegy for performance but the look is not my favorite
This is why I still haven't bought either Jester. I can't decide if the racecar version is that much better performance wise vs how good the non racecar version is looks wise. If you had both you'd probably always end up selecting the best performing car, right? I hate having 2 of the same car even if it is slightly different.
Is the Elegy RH 8 still the fastest sports when fully upgraded? I am continuously told that the Massacro is the fastest when fully upgraded.
Please respond as soon as possible.
Thanks!
Yes. People just find the massacro easiest to drive. It's the "amateurs" car of choice. Nothing wrong with that of course, it will do fine in most lobbies. It's just a little off the pace of the top two when all cars are being pushed to their limits by the best drivers.
***** Haha. Thought so. Well my friends need to shape up their game with vehicle choice. Thanks, Broughy!
Hello me again, but I know you said that the suspension isn't needed to improve performance. However, I was watching a GTA drift video and they said, the lower the car the easier to drift, so saying that, I lowered my Elegy and it started sliding more, however I did add the highest standing spoiler and I noticed you don't have it on your test cars. I was wondering basically, does suspension really affect cars traction and Elegy's wing height matter? Thank You the first time I asked you a question for responding SO quickly and Thank You for making your AWESOME, DOUBLE THUMBS UP videos, cause I can save money not buying crappy cars. One quick question, what's your views on the Coil Voltic?
Never mind on the Voltic you already answered that in the Super car video...
Suspension and spoiler types all fall into the final "Fine Tuning" category from this video: th-cam.com/video/-3J5ZzYzDVA/w-d-xo.html
+Broughy1322 Oh ok, I didn't see that part of the videos, Thank You for your Time
I was always racing the masacro to race, but since I tried out the jester racecar it's the main car I drive now!
Just wondering, is there a little difference in the performance of the 9f vs the 9f cabrio? It has a little bit of difference in weight distribution and their maximum (fake) top speed is slightly different (9f 191mph , cabrio 189mph) in the website (which is accurate regarding the max velocity).
There isn't any difference. The legendary motorsport site is incorrect completely. It's sanandreassuperautos that is somewhat correct.
hey i had a question for your fact finding, ive heard controversy about carbon car parts reducing weight( because it shows that it loses weight in ifruit app) would it be worth testing acceleration/ and on your top speed track( a car with out carbon vs a car with all carbon parts )?
Sounds good to me :)
Fastest fully modded planes next? God broughy I can't beleive you haven't done this yet!
TheCrazCraft th-cam.com/video/BlRBRULsI7U/w-d-xo.html :p that's the best you're going to get
Hey broughy, I don't know what to make of this, but your time for the Massacro Racecar was 1:04:031. I just ran a lap, making major mistakes like oversteering, hitting things, etc and got a 1:03:999.
The thing is, i know when you perform these tests you run laps until you feel you've gotten the most possible out of each car.
Could my time be a glitch? I saved the video but i can't see anyting wrong with it, apart from my driving :)
Check you weren't driving the original cutting coroners track since I test on my own longer variation. (Cutting coroners GP). If not then by all means show me the video
Thats most likely what it was lol. I'll check. Thanks for getting back to me :D
i agree what you said about the elegy... but trying not to brag here but im not bad at racing myself, when in sports cars i only have an elegy so i have to race with that, and when i do race with that i see that it tends to fuck up on corners and uncontrollably spin out with just the slightest hard turning. is the 9f cabrio any good? I would have assumed that would've been in the top 10 at least...
9F cabrio = 9F regular. Elegy is very difficult to drive but when it is driven well it will be the quickest.
tim watley of course it's a dick, it attracts all the ladies( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Judging by the list of core, raw game date that you yourself tested with - Shouldn't the Massacro and the Race Car version be the exact same, with the difference here being slight variation in how you drove the course?
The racecar version of the Massacro has slightly higher traction max and traction min stats, therefore is slightly quicker in the corners, leading to the difference in lap time.
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I see, thank you. So basically, even beyond the actual gamecore stats, if there's a difference in the stats showing on the in game selection, the better one will be better? That's a lot of variables for a game that doesn't even focus on racing, he.
Korey Pawz In theory yes, but I wouldn't trust the in game stats either: th-cam.com/video/wOVYcsHna7g/w-d-xo.html
hey man what about the Coquette? i didnt see it, and i think its one of the best sports cars in the game!
Is the jester race car faster then the elegy Broughy or not and if so can it out pace a masacro on a short straight
I have 2 questions; Is the Buffalo S the same as a regular Buffalo? And, does the type of spoiler make a difference, or is any spoiler good for the boost?
Thanks!
Both the buffalo and buffalo S are featured in this video so your friend question should already have been answered. And you want any spoiler that isn't a stock spoiler found automatically on the car.
***** Woops, completely missed that! Thanks anyway, and great job, this must have taken quite some time actually testing them properly.
Can't wait for something to beat the elegy, till that time i'm still with my 9F.
I have a 9F too :) it's power on the straights is almost unbeatable
TheDragVeteran I have two, 9F coupé and 9F cabrio. Yeah out of corners and straights it is beast.
I find the cabrio version handles a little better around corners. But that might be me
Trevor James Yes it does, but i have to give the V10 sound up for it, i'll rather drive the 9F haha.
I'm so glad muscle is next. All the cars that haven't been properly tested will be done (Dukes, Stallion, Rat-Truck, Slamvan). I seriously hope the Dukes can win this.
It's going to be epic
***** Hope you mention the Dukes is XB1/PS4/PC-only, to save the last gen people kerb-crawling for it for hours...not that I did that or anything. ;) I think I'll stick with my Blade - I hijacked a Dominator and spun it just accelerating away from the crime scene.
I hope they allow us to use skin mods in the game later. Such as pasting the Rat Truck over the Zentorno. Personally, I'd like to cover up the Bati 801 with the Faggio :p
I'd love to be able to cover the Zentorno with anything, really. That thing is just so fucking ugly.
I'm not a very big racer, but what does traction mean? Does it mean weight?
Maybe im complete idiot, and not into cars in gta and real life, but can someone just answer the question?
Brian Park More traction = more grip from the tyres = ability to go around corners at higher speeds
Great video, I think u r missing kuruma and bullet-proof kuruma in the spots car class. do u mind doing them as well? thx
Check the playlist for Heists DLC vehicles video.
thx
+Broughy1322 over all is the the khamelion worth it?
David Lawrence Not really.
I'm not contesting your findings, but I was able to get 1:02 in the Massacro Racecar with only a spoiler, no engine upgrades. Pretty lucky as every other lap is at least 3 seconds longer for me. IMO, it's the driver not the car with similar cars.
You're probably using Rockstar's Cutting Coroners. My testing is done on a a longer version created my myself. Find it here: bit.ly/BroughysTracks (Cutting Coroners GP)
I was hoping the race versions of the Jester and Massacro would get better lap times than the Elegy but alas the "king" is still the Elegy. Perhaps it's a bit of a consolation that the Elegy requires more expertise and proper application of it's traction to get the best lap times than the more balanced Race Jester and that the Race Massacro (and original) are better for longer straightaway races where the superior acceleration and top speed comes into play.
Still, it's good to know that these Race version cars are worth buying and keeping in my newly bought 3rd garage. Personally I love the looks and the handling of both and am looking forward to more random Sports class races (and not just the same Super class races that players seem to host over and over and over...)
Hey Broughy, i really like your channel, it is great and a big help. I love the Massacro (Racecar), just better over curbs then the jester. And have now finally a fully upgraded version, but i cant get near your 1:04.031 time you did. My best till now is 1:05.1XX. I watched already a lot of your videos and tried to do my car faster. Till now i dont have any armor (heavier?) and no suspension (more problems with curbs?). Do they make the car faster? And how important it is to drive over curbs on this track? Maybe you also have some other Tips. Thanks Martin
I try to actively avoid kerbs during my testing but going over them will help. Other aspects that aren't engine, transmission, brakes, turbo and spoiler have no effect on performance. It's just about being a little cleaner with everything when you're pushing for those top times.
+Broughy1322 I am sure i lose some time in the hairpin corner (hope it is the correct English word for it, 2nd last corner)! Thanks for the quick reply, keep up the great work.
Thanks for the great video updates Broughy! I am interested in acquiring the Sultan for its 4-door feature, are there any performance differences between the regular and "Sultan RS"?
No. There is actually no such vehicle as a Sultan RS in GTA V. It just has the RS badge when certain body mods are applied. Just a cosmetic feature - the name of the car remains just the Sultan.
Ok thanks for the clarification!
I bought the regular jester not long ago and now I'm not sure if I should sell it and buy the race version, I do like to race a bit in Gta and I want to be able to unlock all the upgrades.
Are these cars really fully upgraded? I am so confused the first time I ever went around Cutting Corners just a minute ago I got a 1:00:46 as my best lap time in my Jester Race car and I don't consider myself much of a racer.
Weerd This isn't cutting coroners (there's a second "o" in that too). This is Cutting Coroners GP made by myself and is longer than the original. You can find it here: bit.ly/BroughysTracks
Weerd the best lap for R* cutting coroners is 49 seconds in a super car.
clearly motorcycles are faster, but we aren't about that life.
How do you think the Karuma compares/what placing would you give it in here?
RogueEagle There you go: th-cam.com/video/k_U7F9Fe43o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the video Broughty! I'd like to ask you what happened with the Cabrio version of the 9F. Do they perform the same way? They don't have the same spoiler, I may add. Thank you in advance!
Yeah they're both exactly the same.
Alright! Thanks for your help.
The only difference is the sound and modifications available. The 9F has a V10 sound but the 9F Cabrio has a V8
do you know where the kuruma non armored would be on this list?
I had no clue how good the Elegy was I need to race it more
do spoilers actually affect the turning circle of the car? or what does it do? i thought it was just for looks?
They increase traction allowing you to go around corners quicker.
Broughy, for the next MCEC you should make the Carbonizzare the GT2 Sports car since the car is seemingly so popular lol
The Coquette is my favorite car (cause I like the Corvette in real life) and in all honesty it's really only lacking slightly in acceleration. Other than that it's a nice well balanced car.
What's the Blista Compact? I had this game before the release date of this video, but I've never heard of or seen this car. How do you get it if it's still available.
amobrero127 Subject127 It's an exclusive car for returning players on new gen from old gen, in addition to the dukes in muscle and some other features
Love your crew logo, Broughy. Heh heh.
So lately, the whole thing about spoilers changing how a car reacts has popped up, as you have stated in one of your videos. Did you know about this at the time of making these laps? Or did you just use spoilers that looked best, or were the cheapest?
Also, I managed a 1:03.831 with the infernus, using high end tires! Figured I would mention it, the car is a challenge to learn, but a lot of fun.
blackdragondlb The difference in spoilers, suspension, or even tyres is all about feel and driver preference. In the end having one kind of spoiler isn't going to produce different lap times when both are pushed to their limits. Some drivers just feel more comfortable with one setup than another. So in the end it makes no difference. Also remember to be careful when comparing lap times. Apart from PC being quicker overall, I don't use kerb boosts in my testing ;)
***** okay, thanks. And I'm not on PC, and I avoided curb boosting as well.
blackdragondlb GG then :)
I notice you use off-road tires for all your cars, even on a full-asphalt track. Are they better all-around? I only have off-road tires on off-road-ish vehicles, should I have them on everything?
junoguten Yep: th-cam.com/video/d0kDIRrxgIA/w-d-xo.html
***** Thanks :-)
How come in this video at about 2:55 you say that the sultan is the quickest 4door car in the game, but in your TopSpeedExposed video, the exemplar has a higher top speed(about 9 minutes in). Is this a relation that though the Exemplar has a higher top speed, it has less effective handling which affects its timing around the corners?
Exemplar (1:08.746 per lap) - Sultan, (1:07.277 per lap) I see that based on your lap testing the sultan turned out at a faster time, but like I said before, the exemplar has a higher speed?
Yes. In this series I'm talking about cars overall and how good they are around a racing circuit, not just top speed.
nice to see that the race car variants matter,
was definetly going to get the race variants(mostly cause a possible yellow light of death, may had force me to reformat everything, so no SP Styling sessions at LS Customs,
the elegy sure won't give its crown easily, like its friendly neighborhood Entity XF did, either ways, thanks for all you have done for us broughy, wish you had a wonderful(place dec holiday or event here), and happy new years to come,
oh and an extra wonderful GTA[V/O] Experience, ^-^ ltr..,