EMERGENCY LANDING AT SUN N FUN??? What would you have done? Declared an emergency???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Precautionary return in the Baron to Lakeland, Fl (Sun n Fun 2021) with mechanical issue.
I personally believe the controller at KLAL did the right thing by declaring an emergency. I appreciate all of the controllers, you guys help keep us safe and are the best!
Controller here. You did the right thing turning back to the airport as quickly as you did. Just understand that we will declare emergency for you in that situation. This relieves you and us of restrictions and gets you on the ground as quickly and safely as possible. Especially when you're on an IFR flight plan. I've worked many emergencies where the pilot didn't declare. Whether it be out of denial, forgot or just too busy. It seems pilots often see declaring as a last resort. It shouldn't be like that. To a controller, it unties our hands and opens up a lot more options. You both did a great job and happy flying.
Hi Heath, first thank you for keeping us pilots safe in the skies....... Looking back I'm thankful the controller declared for us. This situation we were having could have turned for the worst fast. I like many pilots see declaring as a last resort. After flying for over 30 years, this situation has changed my mindset regarding this moving forward. I won't hesitate next time. Thank you for sharing from a controllers point of view!
@AV858:
First of all, beautifully flown and handled. I hope someday I can be as smooth and calm as you in a distress situation. I see nothing you could have done better in terms of flying or communication.
Your video title included the question "What would you have done? Declared an emergency?" If I were in your shoes, and *IF* I'd thought of it, I would have, yes. I understand why you didn't. You were physically under control of your aircraft, even if that engine had quit. As Heath says here, declaring an emergency gives you a bigger box to deal with your problem in. It also instantly expands the authority of the controller you're talking to do things for your benefit. They could break off all aircraft who were planning to land, for instance. So in case, say, your engine started on fire as you touched down, they wouldn't have aircraft needing to make landing decisions on approach.
Well done. Thank you for posting this video. It's a great lesson for all of us. I'm so glad it worked out Ok and everyone is safe.
@@fsodn Thank you!
@J M Completely agree with you JM!
Why didn't the controller inform the pilot that an emergency was declared ?
No hesitation... Aviate, navigate, communicate - Perfectly executed. Great lesson for new pilots out there - Well done!
Thank you for sharing your comment with us!!!
Yes good to be watching all your gauges closely very important weather it was a fp issue or gauge issue . Obviously if u had 0 fuel pressure engine would not be running or no power . Did the right thing , I would not fly if it said 0 either
And old ones* :)
ALWAYS aviate, navigate, communicate - in THAT order!
Retired Crash Rescue Firefighter we'd rather be there for you than not, always ready to help.
Thank you Frank!
Definitely better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
@@tonymarks4043 Just try not to declare any emergencies 5 seconds after we've sat down on the throne... If you catch my drift...😁 🤣
Lesson here is never be afraid to declare an emergency. The system is there to help us.
Exactly!!!!
Does declaring an emergency, effects your license?
@@thecatwiththehats For a real issue at hand... NO! If you declare because your wife has to use the restroom, then probably so... If you abuse the system, then you are going to be held accountable... but this was certainly not abused.
@@sparkie951 Thank you for your response!!!
@@thecatwiththehats oh hunny, youre so very welcome!
1. Fly the plane
2. Handle the situation
3. Inform passenger
Nice!
Thank you Robert
I'd probably thump the gauge at least twice before keying the radio, but I'm not the one in the left seat on this flight.
@@timothylegg sounded like he said he burned 2 gallons in total for that flight but only .6 gallons at the left engine.
Your wife’s face went from “Oh no!” to “How much is this going to cost” 😂 Great job of you and the controller. They absolutely did the right thing declaring for you.
I was surprised by Keli's expression when I first watched the video. She did a great job staying calm due to the situation. Thank you for watching and your feedback!
I know, the look on her face said it all.
@@kandaman304 Definitely!
I agree, poor Keli I've seen that look of alarm on passengers' faces before, but it usually been when I have been flying in the left seat!
I was dying from the look on her face! XD
Your wife's look at 3:24 was priceless and understandable. Eyes wide open for the remainder of the flight until you landed. Having the ATC declaring for you takes one decision making process off your plate and then you ARE the most important person in the air. I have a number of friends who are controllers or pilots - going to send to them.
Thank you Lindsay!
Well she looked scared from the beginning of the video. Not sure why she is flying if she can't enjoy it.
3:37 is priceless, her eyes were ready to pop--my guess I would have been scanning board and looking for other issues, thanks for posting as it was a great show of perfect decision making--some would have pushed, kudos to ya Sir.
I like how smooth and quick the tower was at bringing you back in. Very well communicated and done.
Thank you
Admired Kelly's calmness and control, must have been a worry. Pilot seemed 100% in control and knew what procedures to follow. Hope issue got sorted quickly!
Geoff, thank you for watching and commenting. Fortunately for us Double M Aviation in fixed the mechanical issue fast. They did a great job!
she was terrified you could see it in her face!
Chuck Yeager: If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing.
Chuck was the best!!!
@Pud Pete chuck was a test pilot. nobody knew if the planes he flew could fly properly let alone land. but he took the job anyway- balls of steel
By chucks standards all of my landings in nearly 50 years were outstanding bar
2 that were still good thankyou chuck.
@@macdean My great-grandpa was an early British aviator often he would pay his chauffeur to test his planes for him lol
If you can fly it to space the next day, then it was an absolutely perfect landing.
I'm an A&P and worked on Beechcraft all of my career as soon as you lost fuel flow and the engine continued making power the first thing I thought was the fuel flow transducer then maybe a wire connector and then the gauge, I hope you post what the problem was! I'm very happy to see you handled everything perfectly!! Fly first!!!
Your right on Robert. It was a wire connector.
That's what I was thinking, zero pressure but the engine is still running?
I asked that. Flow versus pressure. Flowing with zero indicated pressure is a minor mechanical. In a Baron ....that engine is about to die regardless of indications. Down low like that...turn back.
WELL DONE EVERYBODY!!! I read many of the notes. You have a wonderful support network of friends. What a blessing for you and Kelly. You are a beautiful couple. God Bless!
Thank you Bill for your kind words!!!!
Cool calm professional reaction returning, controller did the right thing declaring to be prepared just in case. So happy it was just a wiring issue. Another pro decision is offering Ron and Janice any type of food to pay off any debt, works every time!
Haha...Ron & Janice will have to stop by Charlotte one day so I can pay my debt with pastries...... Thank you for your kind comment and watching our videos.
Very nice to see there are still people out there to help somebody!
The look on your face said you thought you had an emergency, once you get on the ground its easy to say just precautionary. Controller did it perfect and you did an amazing job flying it back also. Kudos to all!
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I'm no expert at this, but it seems to me like this is the sort of situation the "PAN PAN" call is designed for. You're not declaring a full blown emergency, with the connotations of immediate danger to life, but it does nicely convey that you have an unusual and urgent situation. I mean, I figure it's probably best to make either the PAN PAN or declare a full emergency there, since you can't be certain you aren't about to loose an engine, I don't know how well that aircraft will fly on one, but I'm pretty confident that at minimum it will significantly reduce safety margin and make life more difficult, best that the controllers know something is going on before you become too busy to tell them.
Watch my next video as I recap the flight. Thank you for watching
No, just use your callsign and declare.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate: Great Job! You stayed calm, comforted your passenger, told what was going on, informed her you two where safe and could still fly but simply landing because it's not safe to fly without that gauge and landing right away was smarter before it could have or may have worsened having continuing on with your flight. Glad you two where safe.
A good lesson for us all to observe and remind us aviators. Well done mate. Handled by all professionaly.
Thank you Mike, appreciate your kind comment!
You totally did the right thing by turning around. You and the controller get 2 thumbs up!! The wife was one cool lady during all that, well done.....
Thank you Bob!!!
Glad that you two are safe! Safety is always the number 1 priority and you made the right decision no matter what the problem was. Thumb up!
Thank you Vincent, I appreciate your feedback.
The look on her face was priceless when she realized you were turning back! God bless your most graciously patient & understanding wife! LOL On a serious note, though, her faith in your ability to keep you both safe never wavered. Safe future flying!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us....
Very decisive and quick actions. I think declaring an emergency cleared the airspace for you just in case things escalated. Thanks for sharing and great decision turning back and communicating so quickly with ATC!!
Thank you Joey for sharing your thoughts as well!!!
I would label this as outstanding airmanship, excellent decision making, and professionalism. Incredible work. Sometimes the decision to go back can be challenging when we have something planned. Although nothing seemed wrong, you still followed the requirements of you minimum equipment list. Great to see this performance!!
Thank you!
All the safety protocols, emergency procedures, contingency plans, keeping cool and smart and alert and controlled, combined with sound engineering and correcting faults as learned from experience, and all the rest of it, makes flying a beautiful thing. It helped me a great deal with being a passenger in a commercial jet. I used to be nervous as hell, but after learning what's involved, I'm no longer fearful at all.
There are also people like Mentour with what's his face, that I find enlightening. Just that there is a plan for everything and everything is well thought out, eases my mind.
You did great! I would've declared if the tower was too busy, but in the end, everything worked well!
If I was out of the pattern or the tower was extremely busy I would have declared as well.
As a pilot myself, you did great. Stayed calm, controllers did a great job. And you were prepared for a possible engine failure. And you managed to catch a quick and got in before you got in the clouds. Great job.
7:07 At no time did I feel our lives were in danger. 3:24 The moment Kelly felt her life was in danger.
Too many people notice a problem then think that they will fix it in the air. Especially if it’s a gauge issue that doesn’t seem to align with what the plane is telling you..ie, both engines were working..never take risks, there’s no pull over to the side and park in the sky. You absolutely did the right thing.
Thank you!!!
ATC declaration for fuel issues shows concern and compassion. Her being alert to your situation is reassuring. Bless yall. Safe skies
Thank you Chris
Being a mechanic my first and instant reaction was gauge failure, confirmed when the engine didn't quit, good job not panicking and making the situation worse.
As a fellow pilot you did a good job. Glad you guys are okay. Safe flights
Thank you!!
Nothing short then amazing. You were clear headed calm and no time did you even show distress, very impressive and yes your 100% right as you said in your video That you are prepared to fly with one engine. Even the music you added in the background just made it more exciting but glad to see that you're both perfectly OK with the safe landing. Great job and I'll be watching more of your videos now
Thank you Nick for watching and sharing your thoughts!
We have all been there, but now you notched a bit more experience under your belt. You kept cool, but even I, as a viewer, could feel your stress. Lucky for you, the beautiful young lady you had with you remained calm and didn't add to the stress with many questions. Anyday you make it safely on the ground is a great day. Beautiful plane!
Thank you for watching and leaving us your comment.
Well done for playing it safe. Solute to you all involved for getting you back on the ground safe with no accidents.
Thank you Ricardo
For the record the best time for your wife to question you about backup gauges is when you're rolling onto short final in an emergency.
I’m just waiting for confirmation on a flight school. So total newbie here. Seeing this made so much sense. You knew it was working but the gage was not. Great lesson for myself. Be safe and go back if it doesn’t look right
When there is any doubt, there is no doubt! Good ADM to land as soon as possible without delay.
Completely agree with you now....
Glad you guys made it down safe. It always sucks canceling a flight but there will always be another day to fly.
Thank you Camden
I'm not a pilot,but it seems everyone handled that very well. You almost certainly flew over or very near my dad's house there. Many happy flights.😎😎
Thank you Ralph
Good job keeping it together. Glad it was nothing. I have to say, she seemed rather calm, too. Or, at least she kept her anxiety hidden well! Can't say I wouldn't have been sweating bullets in her seat!
Just out of curiosity, would you have been able to fly all the way to our destination with one engine?...
Yes, a Beechcraft Baron is capable of flying on one engine but I wouldn't recommend doing it for on a long trip, I never would.
"you dont have a backup guage?'.....Not for that one.."........."It has to be working' XD
Nice job, fly the airplane! Glad everything worked out for you guys. Wish we would have run in to each other some where along in the week. Take care and blue skies!
Thank you! I just subscribed to your channel and hope to meet you at a fly-in or airshow in the near future.
Thank goodness airport crash rescue was proactive in following up with the incident and not treating it like nothing was wrong. I could have seen this fine gentleman had a fire under the engine cover and THEN crash rescue could not have gotten there fast enough!! Good job on the tower declaring an emergency to get the appropriate equipment heading that direction and making it with the taxi to engine shut down!
Usually, right after the touchdown, the darn thing starts working.
Usually but it did not this time...
So true...
From an ARFF perspective, whether you declared an emergency or not, it is always good practice to have fire trucks rolling any time an aircraft makes an unscheduled return to an airport. Condom principal: rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it
Great job and glad you were able to land safely 👍
Thank you!!!
At no time did I feel Kelly and I were in danger. Kelly's face said otherwise! But that's why you are a good pilot. Nice procedure!
good 2 see u back flying keep it up
Thank you Gary!
Does a pretty good job of summing up the reason for not declaring an emergency. Albeit may help ATC in unclear situations, the pilot has final discretion (he's the one flying the plane) and sounds like he had it completely under control. Leave it up to ATC at that point if they want to declare an emergency on their end. No reason to critique this.
Thank you for sharing
wouldn't have been anything wrong if you DID declare, just to be safe. other than maybe some pucker factor in the right seat ;)
I completely agree with you and the controller who declared this situation an emergency. Better to be safe than sorry! After watching the footage for the first time and seeing Keli's expression, wish I would have explained to her in more detail what was going on at the time. She was quiet and nervous....
Glad you are both ok and the situation did not worsen. Your faces looked worried but you handled it calm, cool and correct! Nice landing too LOL
Thank you Tomi for watching and leaving Keli and I a comment!!
Wow that’s amazing you reply to literally every single comment!
I try to reply to all... thank you for commenting as well!
Good job, your passenger never look scared, just a healthy amount of worry when not showing fuel pressure. Good vid.
Thank you...
It could be very complicated to manage this kind of aircraft when you have an engine failure just after Take off..
Yes it can be. Thank you for sharing
Good awareness. Great job turning around. Had the same thing happen to me on accelerating still on the ground w/o loss of power in my 58. Thought was pressure sensor, turned out to be fuel pump leak.
Thank you Patrick for sharing your situation with us as well. Sounds like your mechanical issue was pretty close to ours. Thanks again for watching!
ATC absolutely did the right thing. Good on them. And great piloting on your part...you focused on just flying the plane and still kept your passenger calm.
Thank you Todd
Kelly looks really stressed. You did a great job friend. Very calm.
Thank you
Lol, the look on this lovely lady's face was priceless from beginning to end. She exhibited absolutely no sign of confidence or enthusiasm from initial taxi to final taxi.
Watch the recap video with her discussing the full situation.
@@tonymarks4043 I did and enjoyed it. Be safe up there.
Thank you for sharing this moment. That was intense. I was hooked! You both acted so calm and professional. I like that the tower took precautions. I appreciate the camera setup in and outside your plane, and the editing. Made my day! 😃 //a non-pilot, just a regular person
Thank you for watching and leaving Keli and I a nice comment.
By the 2 fwd slashes you "sound" like a developer xD
@@passofar Close 😊
I don't know the passenger doesn't seem very relaxed and amused: D Great job. really great job
Thanks a lot!
I can’t even remember what it’s like to be so low down to the taxiways and runway; ha ha! Years and years of nothing but C-5’s and 747’s will do that to you. A handful of faulty fuel flow gauges myself over the years. Nice job. Your ADI is light years better than mine are in the B744/B748! You GA guys have some nice toys these days!
Thank you Sir!
She was clearly concerned, but was cool as a cucumber. Outstanding poise m’lady. You never want to create more anxiety for the pilot.
Had something similar happen to me 17 years ago, today. A friend and I had just taken off in a Mooney Bravo, and our oil pressure gauge went to zero. We didn't declare an emergency, and it was, as suspected, a gauge issue. However, we didn't anticipate the right brake caliper locking up as we touched down (no indication of trouble during taxi or takeoff). Took both of us fighting to keep it down the centerline and not go off into the grass. There was a maintenance crew in the grass (because of course there was) and we'd have slammed into them if we'd lost the aircraft. He went on to get his commercial pilot's license and I haven't flown in a cockpit since (not by my own choosing).
Thank you for sharing your experience as well.
Why did you stop? @thespacegeek
For someone who felt you were in no danger, your body language showed you were as nervous as a cat in a room full of rockers. Good job, good judgement. Kudos to copilot for not freaking out.
Aviate, navigate, communicate
Nice job !
Thank you Lee!
Good job Captain. Cheers from Madrid, Spain
Thank you Vuelos...Cheers!
Glad you both are safe! I’m still a private pilot student but according to the info I’ve absorbed till now I think with no doubt this was the right decision to make.
Thank you
Your wife looked pensive. With the emergency declaration she seemed to switch to "oh crap!" But you both stayed cool. Good job on the gauge scans, spotting the problem, and making the declaration; you've been doing this awhile haven't you, lol. Great video.
Keli was very tired prior to the flight. She just wanted to get home. Unfortunately she had to take a commercial flight. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Nice job Dude! Handled it well. Glad it was just the gauge. You handled it well.............
Thank you!
The Look on Kelly's face said it all!
Who knows how bad things could've gotten had you not declared an emergency. Yikes!!!
You handled this professionally as someone else stated in the comments, and I'm glad you all are safe and took care of the issue.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'd definitely declare an emergency in this type of situation moving forward.
@@tonymarks4043 You are welcome. Better safe than sorry!
BTW, great music...VERY uplifting!!!!
Woman: “well at least it happened in the beginning”.
Pilot: “ Woman! I’m trying to make an emergency landing. Quiet, you.
Yes, we're both happy it happened at the beginning of the flight and not in IMC.
Still a smooth landing after that. You are a good aviator sir
Thank you Sir!
I've never flown anything but a simulator my entire life. I am not qualified to have an opinion. But I love watching your videos. Keep it up
Well Done, you were calm the whole time and there was no panic from your passenger..
Had similar happen a little over a year ago in a Navajo where the tower declared the emergency. Glad to see in the notes a mechanic looked at it. Reason I say that it is good possibility the FSDO will contact you. No issues and no hassles other than they will want to know what happened and what you did to remedy it. One other suggestion is don’t be so quick to lower the gear when engines are at play. It could be the difference in making it or not.
You are correct. I was contacted and emailed the logbook repair entry completed by Double M Aviation. Agree, could have waited a little longer to extend the gear. Thank you for commenting.
Nice job 👏
Thank you!
Great job keeping the ff gauge in your scan! When I was doing my multi training I noticed the same thing... turns out my instructor closed the cutoff without me noticing and because I saw the lack in fuel pressure I was ready the second the engine failed.
Tyler, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience with us as well!
I sure felt great once Ms Kelley smiled taxing down the runway after landing😄 all she was concerned with was, "how much it was going to cost"! Lol...
Thank you for sharing...
Call pilot was very calm, love it
Thank you.
Well executed response to the situation at hand. Everything in the correct order with no delay.
Thank you Tucker!
Best way to think about it: Declaring isn't saying you're in mortal danger, it's saying you need priority handling. That's all it is.
Soon as I heard her say the trucks were following you I thought, “why, he never declared an emergency”
It was a very hot, muggy day and this airplane does not have air conditioning.
Always keep calm! Good job sir!
Thanks, will do!
Kelly's facial expression surely didn't feel like she wasn't in danger. But gladly you guys put'er down safely.
Thank you sir!
absolutely perfect. I would have done same thing. great job sir. I would fly with you anyday
ATC always has the option of declaring an emergency.
Factors unknown to the pilot unrelated to the issue can direct the decision. Or, there may be airfield policy that indicates ATC proactively taking the action.
So scary when you’re at the mercy of a mechanical failure. This one had a happy ending.
You look so familiar! I used to fly out of KLAL. I miss that field and the people at it so much. My close friend Ashley runs Aero Center now.
We are from the Carolina's, haven't done much flying on the west coast.
"At no time did I feel Kelly or I were in danger." The look on Kelly's face says otherwise.
Whew! I’m glad they were arriving safely. His wife was very calm and she knew he can do it.
Thank you...
glad you two are well and that it was likely a simple fix. glad she declared for you, too, by the way. she's seeing things from the outside and has a big picture view while it seemed like you were getting close to being task-saturated. it seemed like you were a little irritated that she had declared for you: you told her you hadn't declared rather than thanking her for the assistance. i might be a little sensitive right now as a friend and his wife recently died in a single engine crash (controllers weren't involved). i hope you thanked the controller after the fact: she sounded outstanding. again, glad you are well.
Thank you Josh for sharing your thoughts. You are completely right, the controller did a great job. I'm going to do a follow up video discussing what I could have done better. Thanks again for watching and commenting.
@@tonymarks4043 your video just came up on my feed again. watched it again. i guess you get extra points for an extra view?
Good job Tony. Staying cool and professional. Good example for all. Glad it was a minor issue.
Thank you Peter!
You made the right call and handled it the best you could. Better than I would have done.
Thank you John!!!
Great response by all!!!!
ATPL pilot here. Nicely dealt with. That was the system working for you - ATC correct to declare the emergency. Ideally, if you had time to declare a 'PAN', that pricks the ears of other local aviators to what could be a worsening situation. I would guess that the number of pilots out there that wish they had declared an emergency hugely out-weighs the number who wish they hadn't.
As an aside - fantastic awareness on Kelly's part to ask about a secondary indication for fuel pressure. If she doesn't already fly, she should.
The pilot told the controller he had to come back and then said he didn't declare an emergency.
You can't have it both ways.
Thank you Jeff for commenting. I'm going to discuss in my next video exactly what you just stated above. Thank you again for sharing!
That situation was handed incredibly well. Should we have cameras receding always just in case something happens?
As PIC, that was your judgement. Not going to second guess that.
As for Tower - nice touch and additional precautionary service.
Thank you sir! I really appreciate your feedback!
I'm a commercial window washer, and I can tell you the pilot and tower did a flawless job.
Thank you
It's impressive how they both stayed calm.
Thank you!!