EMERGENCY LANDING AT SUN N FUN??? What would you have done? Declared an emergency???
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- Precautionary return in the Baron to Lakeland, Fl (Sun n Fun 2021) with mechanical issue.
I personally believe the controller at KLAL did the right thing by declaring an emergency. I appreciate all of the controllers, you guys help keep us safe and are the best!
Controller here. You did the right thing turning back to the airport as quickly as you did. Just understand that we will declare emergency for you in that situation. This relieves you and us of restrictions and gets you on the ground as quickly and safely as possible. Especially when you're on an IFR flight plan. I've worked many emergencies where the pilot didn't declare. Whether it be out of denial, forgot or just too busy. It seems pilots often see declaring as a last resort. It shouldn't be like that. To a controller, it unties our hands and opens up a lot more options. You both did a great job and happy flying.
Hi Heath, first thank you for keeping us pilots safe in the skies....... Looking back I'm thankful the controller declared for us. This situation we were having could have turned for the worst fast. I like many pilots see declaring as a last resort. After flying for over 30 years, this situation has changed my mindset regarding this moving forward. I won't hesitate next time. Thank you for sharing from a controllers point of view!
@AV858:
First of all, beautifully flown and handled. I hope someday I can be as smooth and calm as you in a distress situation. I see nothing you could have done better in terms of flying or communication.
Your video title included the question "What would you have done? Declared an emergency?" If I were in your shoes, and *IF* I'd thought of it, I would have, yes. I understand why you didn't. You were physically under control of your aircraft, even if that engine had quit. As Heath says here, declaring an emergency gives you a bigger box to deal with your problem in. It also instantly expands the authority of the controller you're talking to do things for your benefit. They could break off all aircraft who were planning to land, for instance. So in case, say, your engine started on fire as you touched down, they wouldn't have aircraft needing to make landing decisions on approach.
Well done. Thank you for posting this video. It's a great lesson for all of us. I'm so glad it worked out Ok and everyone is safe.
@@fsodn Thank you!
@J M Completely agree with you JM!
Why didn't the controller inform the pilot that an emergency was declared ?
Chuck Yeager: If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing.
Chuck was the best!!!
@Pud Pete chuck was a test pilot. nobody knew if the planes he flew could fly properly let alone land. but he took the job anyway- balls of steel
By chucks standards all of my landings in nearly 50 years were outstanding bar
2 that were still good thankyou chuck.
@@macdean My great-grandpa was an early British aviator often he would pay his chauffeur to test his planes for him lol
If you can fly it to space the next day, then it was an absolutely perfect landing.
Retired Crash Rescue Firefighter we'd rather be there for you than not, always ready to help.
Thank you Frank!
Definitely better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
@@tonymarks4043 Just try not to declare any emergencies 5 seconds after we've sat down on the throne... If you catch my drift...😁 🤣
Lesson here is never be afraid to declare an emergency. The system is there to help us.
Exactly!!!!
Does declaring an emergency, effects your license?
@@thecatwiththehats For a real issue at hand... NO! If you declare because your wife has to use the restroom, then probably so... If you abuse the system, then you are going to be held accountable... but this was certainly not abused.
@@sparkie951 Thank you for your response!!!
@@thecatwiththehats oh hunny, youre so very welcome!
That's what I call a passenger. Kept quiet after receiving just enough info. Well done by the both of you!
Thank you
Yes agree. He knew what to do immediately ❤😊
She shouldn’t have been on that flight. She was scared from the beginning
@@ZA-wm6mm nerves are one thing ….shes not scared
No hesitation... Aviate, navigate, communicate - Perfectly executed. Great lesson for new pilots out there - Well done!
Thank you for sharing your comment with us!!!
Yes good to be watching all your gauges closely very important weather it was a fp issue or gauge issue . Obviously if u had 0 fuel pressure engine would not be running or no power . Did the right thing , I would not fly if it said 0 either
And old ones* :)
ALWAYS aviate, navigate, communicate - in THAT order!
I believe the controller at KLAL did the right thing by declaring an emergency. I appreciate all of the controllers, you guys are the best!
so how bad id the paperwork after declaring an emergency?
What was the mechanical issue?
Funny as you looked a little pissed that they declared an emergency ....
@@zolitariglussey6302 I'm going to discuss this in my next video.
@@JimNortonsAlcoholism Ended up being an electrical issue with the wiring.
1. Fly the plane
2. Handle the situation
3. Inform passenger
Nice!
Thank you Robert
I'd probably thump the gauge at least twice before keying the radio, but I'm not the one in the left seat on this flight.
@@timothylegg sounded like he said he burned 2 gallons in total for that flight but only .6 gallons at the left engine.
The look in her eyes.. really points out your pilots responsibility for passengers. Great job and video.
Absolutely! Thank you...
@@tonymarks4043 Very nice landing! That was well done!
Here's the thing, an Emergency can be declared by the Pilot, Air Traffic Control, or the Dispatcher. Although the pilot here did not declare the emergency, the tower controller most likely did. Either way, nothing wrong with having the firetrucks follow you around. Those guys are pretty bored most of the time anyways.
I love the ending of that sentence. They rather be busy than idle.
We like the fire trucks to be bored!
It goes way beyond rolling fire trucks...not the job of ATC to declare an emergency. I've been flying 35 years and never heard of such. Creeping control is the way of all government and its bullshit.
Oh, I can guarantee that anything that gets them out of the shed is good for them. It is what they live for. But, better safe than sorry.
lol, they being busy means someone's heart rate is dangerously high
I'm a commercial pilot and a FAA controller. Controllers have the authority to declare an emergency. I can also say, don't hesitate to declare and emergency. It actually makes a controllers job easier. Without an emergency, the sequence will be first come, first serve. With an emergency, the controller will part the waters and give you whatever support they can to expedite you.
K, thank you for being a controller and helping keep us pilots safe. I'm working on a follow up video pertaining to declaring an emergency, what I did wrong and what I'd do different today. I'm hoping this will help another pilot.
Looking at some of the case studies on the aviation safety institutes channel, there has been and will probably continue to be a not insignificant number of pilots who unfortunately do not get the help they really need because they don't declare an emergency for some reason or another, whether it be pride, shame, or just not wanting to be a bother.
@K Verb, l second what you say - l was in a very tricky situation once and the controllers had to vector me thro some busy airspace near London...l was given priority at every turn and thinking back I'm pretty sure if ld asked for a cup of tea....it would somehow have materialised beside me!
The controller was amazing..
" no honey, its fine" was NEVER said in that household ever again
LOL Too funny....
“You don’t have a backup gauge?” Totally a wife question.
Followed by her facial expression of, “A woman would’ve designed this plane with a backup gauge.”
Married for thirteen years, I know that look well 😂
Great job both of you.
He might get a back up gauge now. ❤😊 x
Man this guy reads through all his comments and thanks so many people, this video definitely deserves the attention it got and I hope your channel grows even more!
Thank you sir for sharing your thoughts and kind words!!!
Your wife’s face went from “Oh no!” to “How much is this going to cost” 😂 Great job of you and the controller. They absolutely did the right thing declaring for you.
I was surprised by Keli's expression when I first watched the video. She did a great job staying calm due to the situation. Thank you for watching and your feedback!
I know, the look on her face said it all.
@@kandaman304 Definitely!
I agree, poor Keli I've seen that look of alarm on passengers' faces before, but it usually been when I have been flying in the left seat!
I was dying from the look on her face! XD
I like how smooth and quick the tower was at bringing you back in. Very well communicated and done.
Thank you
You could tell the passenger was scared from the very beginning. You handled this well. Confident and methodical. That kept her calm. Well done Capitan!
Your wife's look at 3:24 was priceless and understandable. Eyes wide open for the remainder of the flight until you landed. Having the ATC declaring for you takes one decision making process off your plate and then you ARE the most important person in the air. I have a number of friends who are controllers or pilots - going to send to them.
Thank you Lindsay!
Well she looked scared from the beginning of the video. Not sure why she is flying if she can't enjoy it.
3:37 is priceless, her eyes were ready to pop--my guess I would have been scanning board and looking for other issues, thanks for posting as it was a great show of perfect decision making--some would have pushed, kudos to ya Sir.
I’m a MEI, that was a great job. Losing the critical engine that low has cost pilots their lives. You handled it great!
Thank you Aaron for sharing
Agreed, just saying he handled situation properly
Admired Kelly's calmness and control, must have been a worry. Pilot seemed 100% in control and knew what procedures to follow. Hope issue got sorted quickly!
Geoff, thank you for watching and commenting. Fortunately for us Double M Aviation in fixed the mechanical issue fast. They did a great job!
she was terrified you could see it in her face!
The look on your face said you thought you had an emergency, once you get on the ground its easy to say just precautionary. Controller did it perfect and you did an amazing job flying it back also. Kudos to all!
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
New private pilot here. It was beaten into my head to just call it anyways, you can always cancel the emergency. This is a great example of being old vs bold. Nice video.
I'm an A&P and worked on Beechcraft all of my career as soon as you lost fuel flow and the engine continued making power the first thing I thought was the fuel flow transducer then maybe a wire connector and then the gauge, I hope you post what the problem was! I'm very happy to see you handled everything perfectly!! Fly first!!!
Your right on Robert. It was a wire connector.
That's what I was thinking, zero pressure but the engine is still running?
I asked that. Flow versus pressure. Flowing with zero indicated pressure is a minor mechanical. In a Baron ....that engine is about to die regardless of indications. Down low like that...turn back.
WELL DONE EVERYBODY!!! I read many of the notes. You have a wonderful support network of friends. What a blessing for you and Kelly. You are a beautiful couple. God Bless!
Thank you Bill for your kind words!!!!
Cool calm professional reaction returning, controller did the right thing declaring to be prepared just in case. So happy it was just a wiring issue. Another pro decision is offering Ron and Janice any type of food to pay off any debt, works every time!
Haha...Ron & Janice will have to stop by Charlotte one day so I can pay my debt with pastries...... Thank you for your kind comment and watching our videos.
Very nice to see there are still people out there to help somebody!
"you dont have a backup guage?'.....Not for that one.."........."It has to be working' XD
You totally did the right thing by turning around. You and the controller get 2 thumbs up!! The wife was one cool lady during all that, well done.....
Thank you Bob!!!
Commercial, instrument rated, SEL pilot here, 320 hours, inactive for 10 years, just getting back in the cockpit. Putting myself in your seat, I'm probably declaring an emergency. Even though I'm an A&P, my knowledge/experience is structures, so I don't know if zero fuel pressure is a problem & I can't diagnose a maintenance issue at low altitude while flying. I believe it's our pride, ego, and/or fear that prevents the word "emergency" from moving past our lips. As a kid, in a Cessna 182 with dad & my oldest brother, dad noticed low oil pressure & high temperature. We made an immediate landing in Hillsboro, TX. We got out to find most of the fuselage covered in oil, which we couldn't see from the cockpit while flying. I'll never forget that scary sight! I'm landing, and likely/hopefully declaring an emergency, for just about anything!
I'm no expert at this, but it seems to me like this is the sort of situation the "PAN PAN" call is designed for. You're not declaring a full blown emergency, with the connotations of immediate danger to life, but it does nicely convey that you have an unusual and urgent situation. I mean, I figure it's probably best to make either the PAN PAN or declare a full emergency there, since you can't be certain you aren't about to loose an engine, I don't know how well that aircraft will fly on one, but I'm pretty confident that at minimum it will significantly reduce safety margin and make life more difficult, best that the controllers know something is going on before you become too busy to tell them.
Watch my next video as I recap the flight. Thank you for watching
No, just use your callsign and declare.
This channel earned my subscription with the calmness of the pilot the entire time and the fact that he takes his time to respond to the comments. Keep up the good work Tony much love on this side
Great job! I declared an emergency once, and I would never hesitate to declare another one. Hopefully, this did not muddy the waters for Keli to continue flying with you.
Thank you for sharing. Keli loves flying. She's been back up in the air multiple times since this situation.
@@tonymarks4043 glad to hear that about Keli getting back in the air!!! Keep the adventures coming.
Does it cost you anything to do it?
@@sp00l To declare an emergency? Nothing but time and fuel.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate: Great Job! You stayed calm, comforted your passenger, told what was going on, informed her you two where safe and could still fly but simply landing because it's not safe to fly without that gauge and landing right away was smarter before it could have or may have worsened having continuing on with your flight. Glad you two where safe.
I would not have done anything different. You returned to the airport, wise move. You landed safely and that is the perfect and preferred outcome. Great job and I would fly with you anytime. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you James for sharing your thoughts and feedback! I really appreciate it!
Very interesting. I'm no pilot, but I can appreciate how he determines a potential problem and makes the immediate decision. Always side on safety.!
A good lesson for us all to observe and remind us aviators. Well done mate. Handled by all professionaly.
Thank you Mike, appreciate your kind comment!
I would label this as outstanding airmanship, excellent decision making, and professionalism. Incredible work. Sometimes the decision to go back can be challenging when we have something planned. Although nothing seemed wrong, you still followed the requirements of you minimum equipment list. Great to see this performance!!
Thank you!
The most dangerous part of that flight is when he parked and Momma got a chance to vent. Love her reaction at 3;24.
Thank you for sharing...
Too cool... I would have jumped out and used my coat and hud as a parachute. Superb calmness and brilliant landing.
Seems like the controller did an excellent job. Declaring an E for you, gave them the ability to be the most help, had your situation worsened. It would lift restrictions and expedite handling you exclusively. Great video here we can all benefit from. Thanks for sharing and being a pilot open to opinion and having the ability to evaluate the situation you had. Your calm, collected reaction was nice. Safe skies !
Thank you for sharing your thoughts as well! I hope others will benefit from this video!
All the safety protocols, emergency procedures, contingency plans, keeping cool and smart and alert and controlled, combined with sound engineering and correcting faults as learned from experience, and all the rest of it, makes flying a beautiful thing. It helped me a great deal with being a passenger in a commercial jet. I used to be nervous as hell, but after learning what's involved, I'm no longer fearful at all.
There are also people like Mentour with what's his face, that I find enlightening. Just that there is a plan for everything and everything is well thought out, eases my mind.
7:07 At no time did I feel our lives were in danger. 3:24 The moment Kelly felt her life was in danger.
The look on her face was priceless when she realized you were turning back! God bless your most graciously patient & understanding wife! LOL On a serious note, though, her faith in your ability to keep you both safe never wavered. Safe future flying!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us....
The look on her face when he said he had to come back priceless!
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Too many people notice a problem then think that they will fix it in the air. Especially if it’s a gauge issue that doesn’t seem to align with what the plane is telling you..ie, both engines were working..never take risks, there’s no pull over to the side and park in the sky. You absolutely did the right thing.
Thank you!!!
She says, "I am *never* getting in that airplane again!"
Outstanding. Definitely the correct call, even after it was clear to you that it was a gauge issue.
Thank you Sir!
@@tonymarks4043 absolutely love that plane, btw. I’ve been considering upgrading to dual engines.
As pilot in command with full information you did everything right and so did the controller. You got the plane on the ground safely and quickly. It appears you and not the indicating problem shut down the left engine back on the ramp and not midair. There's no harm in declaring an emergency especially at a crazy busy airport in the middle of a huge airshow. The controller had the big picture in mind and made the right call. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thank you!!!
It was great to meet you at #OSH.
As a pilot myself, you did great. Stayed calm, controllers did a great job. And you were prepared for a possible engine failure. And you managed to catch a quick and got in before you got in the clouds. Great job.
Glad that you two are safe! Safety is always the number 1 priority and you made the right decision no matter what the problem was. Thumb up!
Thank you Vincent, I appreciate your feedback.
Being a mechanic my first and instant reaction was gauge failure, confirmed when the engine didn't quit, good job not panicking and making the situation worse.
ATC declaration for fuel issues shows concern and compassion. Her being alert to your situation is reassuring. Bless yall. Safe skies
Thank you Chris
The sign of a good pilot, the concern for passenger and public safety.
Glad y'all made it safe! Yeah, if you have a problem and need to convey that to ATC, other aircraft around you, and just whomever, it might be best to declare an emergency. No-one will blame you for declaring an emergency when you didn't need to. As an ATCO myself I'll say that they probably declared an emergency for you (ref. the other guy being told to continue his downwind and the ATCO referring to you as an emergency), good job making such a swift decision!
We as ATCOs don't necessarily know the technicals of specific aircraft, so we don't always know what you need - therefore it's best to tell us you have an emergency, tell us what you need (which you did perfectly), and let us take care of the traffic around you.
Completely agree with you Henoik. Thank you for sharing
Does a pretty good job of summing up the reason for not declaring an emergency. Albeit may help ATC in unclear situations, the pilot has final discretion (he's the one flying the plane) and sounds like he had it completely under control. Leave it up to ATC at that point if they want to declare an emergency on their end. No reason to critique this.
Thank you for sharing
For the record the best time for your wife to question you about backup gauges is when you're rolling onto short final in an emergency.
I'm a commercial window washer, and I can tell you the pilot and tower did a flawless job.
Thank you
You did great! I would've declared if the tower was too busy, but in the end, everything worked well!
If I was out of the pattern or the tower was extremely busy I would have declared as well.
Years ago I used to fly twin Baron for a courier company mainly canceled checks. One rainy night departing out of Orlando lost my right engine right at VR with no room to abort lofted off and told controller that I lost my right engine, I didn't even give my N number and like you didn't declare an emergency but the controller was FANTASTIC on that he immediately declared an emergency for me and parted the Red Sea so that I could come back around for a uneventful landing. I can't imagine having to to fly single engine for long periods and feel extremely lucky to have had this happen when it did as my right leg had the shakes for the short time it was. I was in and out of cloud and being at night didn't help but the controller did a great job and that help keep me calm. I was able to meet him and we are still friends to this day. You did a great job in your situation and I wouldn't have done anything differently...always better to be safe than sorry. Great channel too by the way. Stay safe and blue skies!
Thank you Al for sharing your story. Seems like I've read about your situation somewhere. Are you still flying and if so what?
Good job on staying calm and flying the plane, most likely a gauge/wiring connection issue but better safe than sorry!!!
Thank you Ron... You are correct, ended up being a wire issue.
@@tonymarks4043
So where do I send the “diagnosis bill” to??
@@Parr4theCourse HAHA.... I'll buy pastries from the bakery when your in the area.
@@tonymarks4043
That dog will hunt!
The passenger looked like she didn’t want to be there before they even took off 😂 So glad he got them down safely. Great job 👏👏
She was extremely tired and just wanted to get home. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Gauge issue or not, coming back was the absolutely the right choice. Nice work sir and props to the controller.
Completely agreed! Thank you for watching and your feedback!
Lol, the look on this lovely lady's face was priceless from beginning to end. She exhibited absolutely no sign of confidence or enthusiasm from initial taxi to final taxi.
Watch the recap video with her discussing the full situation.
@@tonymarks4043 I did and enjoyed it. Be safe up there.
Very decisive and quick actions. I think declaring an emergency cleared the airspace for you just in case things escalated. Thanks for sharing and great decision turning back and communicating so quickly with ATC!!
Thank you Joey for sharing your thoughts as well!!!
Kelly was a champ! It's okay to get scared; it's how you handle it that matters. She did a great job of staying with you in the moment. When you're at the controls, you have something to do. When you're a pax, it's more challenging. Both of you did an awesome job.
Another great flight! Although it’s short it was absolutely one of your best decisions. Enjoy watching and keep them coming. It’s amazing how much we learn from other people’s videos.
Thank you Terry! You are so right. TH-cam has given us a tool to use and learn from other pilots for sure. I enjoy watching many of the aviation channels as well. Thank you again for watching and leaving us a comment.
For someone who felt you were in no danger, your body language showed you were as nervous as a cat in a room full of rockers. Good job, good judgement. Kudos to copilot for not freaking out.
My dad I talked with you for a while at the hotel there Tuesday night. It was great meeting you. Glad you made it back to LAL safe!
Hi Russell, it was a pleasure meeting you and your Dad as well. Thank you for leaving Keli and I a message and watching our video.
There are old pilots and bold pilots. But very few old bold pilots. You did the right thing by turning back.
Thank you...
Thankful to live in a country where that is available to you. Glad you made it back safely
Completely agree with you! Thank you for watching and commenting.
As a Controller of 30 years,,, and a pilot for the same period of time. Your comment that " I never declared an emergency" ... needs to be fully understood. The 3 entities that can declare an emergency. a) Owner or Operator of the aircraft. b) flight crew c) Air Traffic Control.
In this case you returned to the pattern stating you needed to return to the field. The action in the tower at this time was 1) controller answering your call,,,2) another controller or supervisor calling the crash truck... The fact that you had just left the field, the ceilings being low and your return radio call being less than stellar... The controllers made the right call. As you stated... I am prepared for this engine to quit at anytime... The Air Traffic Controllers were also prepared,... A lesson learned... It is much better to have the vehicles out to meet you,,, Then you to be in serious trouble waiting on them....
Do NOT be afraid to declare an emergency...
Perfect!!
Thank you for your comment and keeping us pilots safe. I completely agree with everything you state above. The controller definitely made the right call. I'm planning to do a follow up video on what I feel I personally did wrong, the decision making I made and what I'd change moving forward. I hope to see your feedback after watching. Thank you......
@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Agreed!
@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Thank you Dan for all your work.... We need to stop these trends.
Great job, you got yourself and your pax safely on the ground! Great controller and emergency services too, they were looking out for you!
Thank you very much!
The beautiful thing about twins, if it fails, you have another. Cool, calm and collected.
Thank you for watching & commenting.
When there is any doubt, there is no doubt! Good ADM to land as soon as possible without delay.
Completely agree with you now....
Tower making an emergency for you may have a little bit of paperwork but that's what they are for. Knocking on wood.......I've been flying for over 35 years cracked up 7840hrs TT and not once did I have to declare an emergency however, thank goodness for help if you need it! Great landing by the way!
As a fellow pilot you did a good job. Glad you guys are okay. Safe flights
Thank you!!
Best way to think about it: Declaring isn't saying you're in mortal danger, it's saying you need priority handling. That's all it is.
I agree with you, precautionary on your side, controller declared for you just in case you lost the engine. Good job staying calm regardless. Gets your heart rate up regardless!
Spoken like a "PRO" ;o) Regardless, definitely gets your immediate attention. Thank you Pete!
She was clearly concerned, but was cool as a cucumber. Outstanding poise m’lady. You never want to create more anxiety for the pilot.
I'm not a pilot,but it seems everyone handled that very well. You almost certainly flew over or very near my dad's house there. Many happy flights.😎😎
Thank you Ralph
From an ARFF perspective, whether you declared an emergency or not, it is always good practice to have fire trucks rolling any time an aircraft makes an unscheduled return to an airport. Condom principal: rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it
Bless her heart that lady was scared to death
Keli's a great co-pilot but definitely was nervous
Lol she Looks pretty calm to me. Barley even changed her facial expression.
@@Jsgirl30 you're right, it was a scared look from the beginning.
Outstanding professional Aviation team. From ATC to the firemen! And you definitely did the right thing as PIC.... good job keeping cool.
Thank you!!!
The situation that you had was a gauge problem. But lets imagine (food for thought) that the the situation was different, because at the time, you truly did "not" know. Lets pretend:
So what you really had was a broke left engine fuel line, spraying raw fuel into hot exhaust, therefore the loss of full pressure, but there was still enough PSI at low power to make it run. Its the left engine that is going to be affected (maybe) so right turns around the pattern would be best choice (You knew this in advance because you briefed it right? ) Now you KNOW that there is a problem, and you tell them you're coming back. You didn't declare an emergency so they never rolled the trucks for you. Now you're on the right downwind and put your gear down way early (4:07) in your vid and the left engine is on fire. The tower doesn't know how bad your problem is see or see you trailing smoke and fire. You're wide right base with gear down and you need much more power from the right engine (while in a right turn) to maintain blue line. You flew too wide and aimed for the numbers of 27 and then added full flaps too early. The plane ends up at firewall power on the right engine with a glowing fire on the left. You had a passenger that could have read off the emergency landing checklist (because you had it out and ready before takeoff right?) but she didn't do it, and you never unlatched the door prior to touchdown. The plane hits hard short of the runway in the approach lights and you guys cant get out because the door is jammed and the airframe is bent. The fireman are at the firehouse watching TV when the call comes in "Plane down just short of 27 and on fire" It takes them 6 minutes to get to you, and when they get there you are both dead, both burned alive in the plane.
Sorry for the scary commentary but this is important. This is the B-17 scenario...You are a great guy and a fine American, I just see LOTS of room for improvement in anticipating such problems and making better decisions. This is a great video to learn from. My summary...
1) Abnormal? Declare an EMER. Period. Its free. They did it for you anyway.
2) Prebrief turn after departure, suspect rt engine? That means all turns to the left...etc.
3) Prebrief pax on what to read out loud off a card to consider during the 2 minutes available from first indication to touchdown: Belts, door, how to open door, boost pumps, flaps, 3 green, what to do if I am dead, etc.
4) Configure much later (save gear) and plan on maybe no flap landing more midfield. DO NOT end up gear and full flaps too far out with turns left to go.
5) Land center-line and stop on center-line! You own that runway. Don't touch anything (window) until you're OK and you make an accurate assessment that you're "not" on fire. Run after landing checklist carefully which puts flaps up and opens windows.
6) Talk to fire chief, he was there behind you but he had to chase you to look at your plane cause you never stopped. He is there to help you! You were OK this time because it was just a gauge...but what about next time?
7) Look at the movement of your hands through out the video, they are flinchy and doing commanded things - slow down and move slow and don't ever reach for flaps while in motion. Get your eyes and brain on that flap switch before your hand goes in motion.
Dan, thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns regarding this situation. I'm so happy that we are corresponding instead of you doing a Probable Cause Video.... After reviewing the my video footage, like you I believe there are a few things that I should have done differently. First, since I've owned this Baron for over 18 years, knowing this airplane, the weather being IFR with low ceilings and having a problem I've never encountered before, I SHOULD HAVE DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. I'm going use some of what you have listed about to do a follow up video regarding what I feel I did wrong and what I'll do if something like this happens again in the future. Thank you again for sharing. I enjoy watching and learning from your videos..... Tony
@@tonymarks4043 Thanks! I always run a huge risk of placing an opinion on a vid as I did - but you did ask lol, and I commend you for opening yourself up for beating from the TH-cam world even tho you're a very experienced good pilot. THAT is the mark of a true aviator. We ALL make mistakes, I look forward to featuring your channel on this subject in your part 2 for this vid and your own thoughts on things that you might improve on in the future! Totally awesome! Dan
@@tonymarks4043 Add to the list: Read back runway assignments. I counted 4 runway assignments by ATC and you read back just one of them (when you were holding short).
I love that your passenger stayed near as calm. A credit to everyone.
Thank you Jeff.
Nice job, fly the airplane! Glad everything worked out for you guys. Wish we would have run in to each other some where along in the week. Take care and blue skies!
Thank you! I just subscribed to your channel and hope to meet you at a fly-in or airshow in the near future.
Well done for playing it safe. Solute to you all involved for getting you back on the ground safe with no accidents.
Thank you Ricardo
You did a excellent job bro. You did a professional job in landing and returning to the airport.
Thank you Corey!!!
@@tonymarks4043 Just found you on TH-cam. Great Page. Huge Encouragement on getting my pilot license in the near future.
At no time did I feel Kelly and I were in danger. Kelly's face said otherwise! But that's why you are a good pilot. Nice procedure!
It's not like you can pull onto the shoulder and fix the problem. Smart, returning to the airport.
Thank you
That's why I like cars better than planes
I sure felt great once Ms Kelley smiled taxing down the runway after landing😄 all she was concerned with was, "how much it was going to cost"! Lol...
Thank you for sharing...
Happy you're both safe.😊👍🏼
Thank you Sir!
Been an A/P mechanic for over 37yrs, but the experience keeps me out of a plane for the most part. Even used to recover crashed planes instrumentation. Seeing things fail my whole life would take the fun out of flying, less you know about planes the better.lol
really nice that you saw that right away and that the co-pilot did not panic and was even trying to suggest you some things.... Good Luck
Keli is an amazing co-pilot. I probably should have explained to her in more detail what was going on. Thank you for your comment!
Retired ATC with 31 years. Seven and a half in the terminal environment and the rest enroute.
You made the correct decision to return. Pilots are sometimes reluctant to declare an emergency because of the paperwork required. As others have already mentioned the controller may declare the emergency. It’s a good idea to have the equipment staged along the runway.
Somebody mentioned that Tony could have said, Pan, Pan, Pan. It’s in the “ATC Bible,” the 7110.65 but I never heard it used and it’s a fair bet that most controllers have never heard it used as well.
It could be very complicated to manage this kind of aircraft when you have an engine failure just after Take off..
Yes it can be. Thank you for sharing
Great job. This is why having a second engine always provides a peace of mind when flying with family on board. On to better flying days.
Exactly why I purchased this airplane eighteen years ago! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@tonymarks4043 Thank You for replying. I would love to fly with you one day.
@@cobbs13 Maybe we can make that happen someday.
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Usually, right after the touchdown, the darn thing starts working.
Usually but it did not this time...
So true...
Kelly looks really stressed. You did a great job friend. Very calm.
Thank you
What’s the significance of declaring an emergency? Cost to the pilot?
Nothing really...
i did like the underlying tone of his "her: you got back opp for that? him: not for that"
Thank you for sharing...