They dont "cheat" that's actually Scotts Voice doing the 2nd lowest Part. Avi is also able to produce 2 Sounds at the same time that can be seen in other Videos, not in this one :)
👉👉No you don't hear Avi's voice twice. Scott is doing the second bass. Look at him doing the same as Avi. A LOT of people miss this. Scott is singing, baritone, tenor and bass. There are live performances of this as well for you to check out!
This song speaks to their background in high school and college choirs, where singing madrigals was a must and a challenge. Add to that Avi's training as an operatic basso profundo, which garnered him an offer to join the Los Angeles Opera at the same time he was recruited into PTX...
I hope it is the live version, maybe from the Christmas Under the Stars special. The official video is lovely, but there is something about that breath control live that is like WOW.
I agree, watching the live BYU Christmas Under the Stars special is amazing. Sound quality is great. I think I even caught one tiny off note from Matt! Love proof that they may actually be human. Not sure about Mitch... gills, y'know. Carol/Bells starts at 25:03, but it is all worth watching.
You're hearing Avi and Scott when you hear the double line of dum-dum-dums, I think, but they're clearly a third apart, not an octave, so maybe that's not it. PTX do double-track in their later work (notably The Prayer, for instance, with Kirstie), but I really don't think it's happening here with babyTonix. However, Ed Boyer, their mixer, has talked about how he does a standard pop trick with Melodyne, of placing each voice three times just slightly apart in the mix - left, right, centre, to strengthen the fulness. And he equalizes and often adds reverb, of course. Maybe you're hearing a big reverb on Avi? I certainly think I do. His voice is deep, but it's not huge, and he's obviously foregrounded in this mix. Don't forget that Scott has a bass range, though. You can find an interview with Ed Boyer on Jacob Restituto's channel if you're interested. Ben Bram, their primary arranger, has also been interviewed a couple of times on that channel. In PTX's own words, I think this arrangement "still slaps" after all these years. This, and parts of "Come Along", are really the closest they get to showy polyphonic arrangements.
Lol! A lot of people miss it when it's clear that Scott is doing the second bass I think it's because people know Avi's low bass and only look at him 😄
Gorgeous polyphonic singing. I just love this song, and I have sung enough to recognize how difficult it is. They did a stunning live performance of this a couple of years ago with Matt.
I liked what you said about how you liked that it sounded like 5 soloists singing together - it’s one of the things that has always struck me about Pentatonix, the fact that you can always pick out each individual voice and hear what each of them is contributing to the whole. I’m also going to suggest that you react to their cover of “Gold”, not only because of the incredible vocal gymnastics by Mitch, but also because it highlights their synchrony beautifully.
And here is the question of all questions: When did Mitch take breath in his solo?😂 Scott do the bass part too, you see it in the video! when Avi sing in haleluja scott take the bassline!! You can see this in the live video!
I almost choked when you stated A cappella is not serious because they use "Dum's, Dah's, um's and La's etc" . Lets see in the romantic... Mozarts Magic Flute famous aria Queen of the Night aria or Violetta's aria from La Traviata. During the Baroque... Bach and Telemann's use of "Du and Das" as repetitive words to structure the rhythm. This kind of structuring of music underpinnings and rhythms pre-dates the middle ages and you can hear it used in monophonic chant. Each culture, time and musical tradition has examples of this kind of vocal work. What amazes me about Pentatonix is how well they have been able to create a synthesis using vocal styles from the last 700 years. There is some strong musical training going into the vocal arrangements. They truly understand that Melody is just the cloths rack to hang beautiful sound from. I have to agree the Fugue/Rondeaux at the end would make Bach proud!
Actually, a lot of pentaholics listen to Pentatonix Christmas albums year-round. If that makes enemies for you I would suggest that your enemies are showing their lack of taste.
I’m pretty sure that happened through the magic of the recording process, I have NEVER heard a live performance where he’s done that. And after listening really closely, you can hear Scott singing very faintly while Avi does a double bass part in octaves!
@@musiccecilia7754 If you are referring to the low note sang live I am not sure but if you are talking about Mitch singing so long on 1 breath LIVE he did it last year with Matt on bass instead of Avi. Here is the link th-cam.com/video/l55vp0eVl58/w-d-xo.html 👗👗👠👠💓💓
I don't think it's called cheating. a lot of recording artists harmonize with themselves or do double-tracking when they are recording in the studio to make the song sounds better, so why can't PTX.
i love PTX's Carol of the Bells aka "Breath Mitch Breath !!" the live version will show you that what they do on an album they can do live too.. i like the live version even better. with hallelujah live you can see that Scott does the bass part when Avi has his solo in the video you can't but he sounds so much like Avi that that mistake is easily made. same goes for Kevin..he does a lot of high tenor background if he doesn't need to beatbox these 5 talents are just on a different level
QofyReacts channel...he also LOVES this video and watches it year round. His reaction is amazing. He used to direct an a cappella choir. Your fave part is also Qofy's fave part.
No worries, most Pentatonix fans play their Christmas music year-round. I guess that you should not react to their Grammy Award winning song "Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy. Seems that the Recording Academy does not share you opinion of their arrangement choice of "bums". Since you don't like a cappella, do you just react to it to complain or to present false and baseless opinions as facts? Scott covers bass when needed.
If you're looking for an a capella group that falls into this camp with PTX, Voiceplay is another fantastic group that has a massive following and several bangers
Regarding the "Bum bum bum" sounds: 1. Disclaimer: I *don't* have a trained ear, unlike you. 2. I don't hear it at all when they come around to that section near the end. 3. What I *think* I hear in the earlier section is Scott and Avi both doing bass "Bum bum bum" sounds. The problem is, the camera isn't showing both of them at the same time for most of it, but when it does show both of them it appears that they're singing the same syllables. Also, I'm not hearing Scott's baritone in that section. 4. The actual audio recording is done in the studio; this is lip-synched. But PTX does their lip-synching very intelligently - they actually sing the song when making the video, so the timing is accurate, as are the singers' movements. 5. Typically, in official recordings, Pentatonix does "cheat" on the underlying bass harmonies whenever the bass sings a solo - he'll record a second track with his harmony part and they'll layer it in. But in live performances they can't do that (too hard to get the timing exactly right) so Scott takes over the bass harmonies when Avi or Matt is soloing. Therefore Scott is capable of doing what I think he's doing in this recording. 6. The place where I *know* they cheated in this release is in editing out some of the places where Mitch breathes, with the result that this song is known among some pentaholics as "the one where Mitch doesn't breathe." I, at least, find that uncomfortable to listen to.
I don't think Mitch's breathing is obviously edited out - I think he's doing circular breathing, which he's perfectly capable of if you look at the BYU performance recording of this song.
@@margretrosenberg420 It's definitely not a myth. More common among wind instrument players than singers, maybe. But there's a whole well-known technique. Kenny G, the saxophone player, sustained a note for an unbelievable 45 minutes (I think it must have been for Guiness or something).
@@margretrosenberg420 it's in the BYU channel Christmas Under the Stars concert around the 20-25 minute areas, but as long as you are there, you may as well watch the entire concert, as it is amazing!
Actually, what he said was that he doesn't like *most* a capella groups because they're too big, which makes them more like choirs, but because of its smaller size Pentatonix can do complex harmonies and you can hear individual voices, which makes Pentatonix the exception. That doesn't sound like hating PTX to me; it sounds like an accurate description of what *we* love about Pentatonix.
They dont "cheat" that's actually Scotts Voice doing the 2nd lowest Part. Avi is also able to produce 2 Sounds at the same time that can be seen in other Videos, not in this one :)
A lot of people miss Scott doing the second bass and are quick to assume that they are cheating😆😆
Although Avi did not use his ability to sing two notes at once in this song, he does use it extensively throughout many of their other songs.
👉👉No you don't hear Avi's voice twice. Scott is doing the second bass. Look at him doing the same as Avi. A LOT of people miss this. Scott is singing, baritone, tenor and bass. There are live performances of this as well for you to check out!
Scott doubles the bass line all the time. When Avi (or Matt) takes lead it’s hard to tell that Scott took over the bass line.
This song speaks to their background in high school and college choirs, where singing madrigals was a must and a challenge. Add to that Avi's training as an operatic basso profundo, which garnered him an offer to join the Los Angeles Opera at the same time he was recruited into PTX...
I hope it is the live version, maybe from the Christmas Under the Stars special. The official video is lovely, but there is something about that breath control live that is like WOW.
I agree, watching the live BYU Christmas Under the Stars special is amazing. Sound quality is great. I think I even caught one tiny off note from Matt! Love proof that they may actually be human. Not sure about Mitch... gills, y'know. Carol/Bells starts at 25:03, but it is all worth watching.
You can't see the Christmas under the stars version anymore, sadly. ☹️
@@neetgupta1 it’s back, I’ve watched it a couple times this past week. I think it came back Dec 4th or 5th.
@@kristinhowk6465 - really? That's fantastic!
@@kristinhowk6465 YAY!
If you were watching you would see that Scott is singing the bass with Avi .
You're hearing Avi and Scott when you hear the double line of dum-dum-dums, I think, but they're clearly a third apart, not an octave, so maybe that's not it. PTX do double-track in their later work (notably The Prayer, for instance, with Kirstie), but I really don't think it's happening here with babyTonix. However, Ed Boyer, their mixer, has talked about how he does a standard pop trick with Melodyne, of placing each voice three times just slightly apart in the mix - left, right, centre, to strengthen the fulness. And he equalizes and often adds reverb, of course. Maybe you're hearing a big reverb on Avi? I certainly think I do. His voice is deep, but it's not huge, and he's obviously foregrounded in this mix. Don't forget that Scott has a bass range, though. You can find an interview with Ed Boyer on Jacob Restituto's channel if you're interested. Ben Bram, their primary arranger, has also been interviewed a couple of times on that channel. In PTX's own words, I think this arrangement "still slaps" after all these years. This, and parts of "Come Along", are really the closest they get to showy polyphonic arrangements.
Lol! A lot of people miss it when it's clear that Scott is doing the second bass I think it's because people know Avi's low bass and only look at him 😄
They are NOT cheating!! Scott covers the bass when Matt/Avi have a lead. Watch a live performance of them doing this song and you will see that. 🙂
Checkout their live version from Christmas under the Stars from last year. You'll how much better it sounds live
Gorgeous polyphonic singing. I just love this song, and I have sung enough to recognize how difficult it is. They did a stunning live performance of this a couple of years ago with Matt.
You need to watch Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy. A group without instruments singing a song without words= Grammy.
Usually yes listening to christmas music off season isn't acceptable unless it's ptx. Then it's encouraged.
A cappella groups are voice heavy. Imagine that. 😂
Mitch’s breath control is operatic.
I thought it was completely the norm to enjoy PTX any and every time of year⭐
I meant PTX Christmas
@@shelleyo it DEFINITELY is!
Don't forget Scott also does Bass sir!!
This song by Pentatonix is brilliant! Love it!
I liked what you said about how you liked that it sounded like 5 soloists singing together - it’s one of the things that has always struck me about Pentatonix, the fact that you can always pick out each individual voice and hear what each of them is contributing to the whole. I’m also going to suggest that you react to their cover of “Gold”, not only because of the incredible vocal gymnastics by Mitch, but also because it highlights their synchrony beautifully.
Yes, I’m glad someone else has the same experience as I when listening to them! I’ll have to check that out
They have live version
And here is the question of all questions: When did Mitch take breath in his solo?😂 Scott do the bass part too, you see it in the video! when Avi sing in haleluja scott take the bassline!! You can see this in the live video!
I almost choked when you stated A cappella is not serious because they use "Dum's, Dah's, um's and La's etc" . Lets see in the romantic... Mozarts Magic Flute famous aria Queen of the Night aria or Violetta's aria from La Traviata. During the Baroque... Bach and Telemann's use of "Du and Das" as repetitive words to structure the rhythm. This kind of structuring of music underpinnings and rhythms pre-dates the middle ages and you can hear it used in monophonic chant. Each culture, time and musical tradition has examples of this kind of vocal work. What amazes me about Pentatonix is how well they have been able to create a synthesis using vocal styles from the last 700 years. There is some strong musical training going into the vocal arrangements. They truly understand that Melody is just the cloths rack to hang beautiful sound from.
I have to agree the Fugue/Rondeaux at the end would make Bach proud!
Actually, a lot of pentaholics listen to Pentatonix Christmas albums year-round. If that makes enemies for you I would suggest that your enemies are showing their lack of taste.
How can you call yourself a fan and not know Scottsings bass also
Scott can sings bass maybe that’s what you were hearing.
wrong....no cheating Scott does some base as well. maybe you need to get your hearing checked
WHY did you not even mention how long Mitch sang without breathing for 36 seconds?? Scott can also sing Bass when needed! 👱♀👱♀👗👗👠👠💓💓
I’m pretty sure that happened through the magic of the recording process, I have NEVER heard a live performance where he’s done that. And after listening really closely, you can hear Scott singing very faintly while Avi does a double bass part in octaves!
@@musiccecilia7754 If you are referring to the low note sang live I am not sure but if you are talking about Mitch singing so long on 1 breath LIVE he did it last year with Matt on bass instead of Avi. Here is the link th-cam.com/video/l55vp0eVl58/w-d-xo.html 👗👗👠👠💓💓
I don't think it's called cheating. a lot of recording artists harmonize with themselves or do double-tracking when they are recording in the studio to make the song sounds better, so why can't PTX.
i love PTX's Carol of the Bells aka "Breath Mitch Breath !!"
the live version will show you that what they do on an album they can do live too..
i like the live version even better.
with hallelujah live you can see that Scott does the bass part when Avi has his solo in the video you can't but he sounds so much like Avi that that mistake is easily made.
same goes for Kevin..he does a lot of high tenor background if he doesn't need to beatbox
these 5 talents are just on a different level
Did Mitch just sing that whole first part without taking a breath?
It's more obvious when you watch it live that he just... apparently doesn't need air to live. 😂
He may have master's circular breathing
@@rfiliagaful That's probably true, but I prefer to believe that Mitch is just magical and doesn't need air to survive. 🤣
@@rfiliagaful I’ll have to look that up.
QofyReacts channel...he also LOVES this video and watches it year round. His reaction is amazing. He used to direct an a cappella choir. Your fave part is also Qofy's fave part.
No worries, most Pentatonix fans play their Christmas music year-round. I guess that you should not react to their Grammy Award winning song "Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy. Seems that the Recording Academy does not share you opinion of their arrangement choice of "bums". Since you don't like a cappella, do you just react to it to complain or to present false and baseless opinions as facts? Scott covers bass when needed.
If you're looking for an a capella group that falls into this camp with PTX, Voiceplay is another fantastic group that has a massive following and several bangers
Pls react to DIMASH-Ogni Pietra
Regarding the "Bum bum bum" sounds:
1. Disclaimer: I *don't* have a trained ear, unlike you.
2. I don't hear it at all when they come around to that section near the end.
3. What I *think* I hear in the earlier section is Scott and Avi both doing bass "Bum bum bum" sounds. The problem is, the camera isn't showing both of them at the same time for most of it, but when it does show both of them it appears that they're singing the same syllables. Also, I'm not hearing Scott's baritone in that section.
4. The actual audio recording is done in the studio; this is lip-synched. But PTX does their lip-synching very intelligently - they actually sing the song when making the video, so the timing is accurate, as are the singers' movements.
5. Typically, in official recordings, Pentatonix does "cheat" on the underlying bass harmonies whenever the bass sings a solo - he'll record a second track with his harmony part and they'll layer it in. But in live performances they can't do that (too hard to get the timing exactly right) so Scott takes over the bass harmonies when Avi or Matt is soloing. Therefore Scott is capable of doing what I think he's doing in this recording.
6. The place where I *know* they cheated in this release is in editing out some of the places where Mitch breathes, with the result that this song is known among some pentaholics as "the one where Mitch doesn't breathe." I, at least, find that uncomfortable to listen to.
I don't think Mitch's breathing is obviously edited out - I think he's doing circular breathing, which he's perfectly capable of if you look at the BYU performance recording of this song.
@@moragcarnie843 Really? I thought circular breathing was a myth. Guess I'll have to look into it more deeply.
@@moragcarnie843 I can't find that video. Can you give me a link?
@@margretrosenberg420 It's definitely not a myth. More common among wind instrument players than singers, maybe. But there's a whole well-known technique. Kenny G, the saxophone player, sustained a note for an unbelievable 45 minutes (I think it must have been for Guiness or something).
@@margretrosenberg420 it's in the BYU channel Christmas Under the Stars concert around the 20-25 minute areas, but as long as you are there, you may as well watch the entire concert, as it is amazing!
Great reaction
Please react to voiceplay it s an another a capella group
Voiceplay beatboxer are very great
You hate PTX, I hate opera singers. Enough said.
Actually, what he said was that he doesn't like *most* a capella groups because they're too big, which makes them more like choirs, but because of its smaller size Pentatonix can do complex harmonies and you can hear individual voices, which makes Pentatonix the exception. That doesn't sound like hating PTX to me; it sounds like an accurate description of what *we* love about Pentatonix.