I hope when they build a new bridge, they include a train that goes over it all the way to Ocean City. If not, you will not solve the problem. And I know it will be people sitting at the table saying we don’t need a train for whatever reason, but those are the people that make the dumbest decision. You need a railway to go over that bridge to move people to eliminate the traffic and cars from being on it.
Kid who grew up in MD here. Back in the day, Kent Narrows Drawbridge openings would back up traffic. They fixed that. MD likes “gimmick” solutions. Contraflow is incredibly dangerous, so they lower the speed limit to “school zone” speeds. Tolls are already charged, so replacement funding, from a legal standpoint shouldn’t be a problem. If NY could quickly replace the Tappen Zee Bridge and FL could rapidly replace the Sunshine State Skyway after a ship wrecked into it, Maryland is just making excuses, and their citizens “just take it” instead of demanding better from their governments!!
How about a tunnel, the way SF did it for BART several years ago. If a new bridge is built, can they make it wide enough and with high enough guardrails to not scare the p*** out of people?
I agree with others. Building a new bridge would only be a short term fix. The roads supporting a bridge wouldn't handle more traffic. Also, if you build a larger bridge then more people will come. You need to decide if you really want more people. Any bridge must include at least 2 train tracks. You need to move people and freight from the roads, to the rails.
After what just happened in Baltimore, they should be considering a tunnel there as well as on US-50. My solution would be a tunnel as on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel. No bridge over the shipping channel. I sketched out a 4-lane bridge-tunnel there for US-50 eastbound traffic. Island near the west anchorage, another near the east end of the eastern channel span. Just south of the two current bridges. About 9,000 foot long tunnel. Someday in the future when the current bridges wear out they can be replaced with 4-lane bridge-tunnel for westbound traffic.
A replacement bridge WILL NOT alleviate the gridlock along Rt. 50 through Queen Anne's County. This is a major safety concern for the Dept of Emergency Services and the local population.
They would need something along the lines of the new Eastern Span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge or the New Tappan Zee Bridge (5 lanes in each direction), plus Express Toll Lanes (like that found on I-95 between I-895 north of Baltimore to White Marsh) on both sides of the bridge.
This could provide an opportunity to extend I-97 across Chesapeake Bay and than southbound on the Delmarva Peninsula. Currently I-97 only goes from Baltimore to Annapolis which is only 30 miles which is awfully short for a mainline interstate.
YES ! Into Norfolk. NC needs a coastal interstate to remove traffic from I-95 (Which is being widened to 8 lanes) , and to serve the coastal communities. Future it could extend further to NewBern NC, Wilmington NC (where I live), Charleston and terminate in Savannah. Also, Heading North From Queenstown could be a spur route I-297 to go back to I-95.
Adding another span of the bridge will not help traffic flow. Because people will still have to drive on 97 and 50 which both become backed up due too traffic issues in Annapolis before you get to the bridge now due to small traffic issues. The reality is that they don’t want to pay to connect 695 or 100 to the shore which would alleviate traffic from the north going to Annapolis to cross which is the biggest issue.
You're so right Ct! Take a look at Huey Long Bridge(New Orleans)! It carries Amtrak from Chicago! And they made it wider! We need this idea NJ-STATEN IS.,NY.
? The older span 1952 (Northbound) is getting a new decking 2023-2025. The newer span Westbound 1972 isn't. So which span are they 'replacing', or is this just a new addition? I see requests for the new span to be 8 lanes. [ could be 5 westbound, median, 3 that are interchangable] with the other two bridges both Eastbound 5 total.
Eight lanes will not solve the traffic problems. I see that because there are not eight lanes leading to the bridge itself from either direction. So you will have a back up on that bridge. If you want to alleviate or get rid of some of that back up, you must have a railway that go across the bridge through the projected counties all the way to Ocean City. That way, the train/railway will take some of the load off of the traffic issues. I’m speaking of a train similar to the light rail. It will be less cars on the road which means less cars on the bridge if you add a train. And yes, the train have to make stops in certain counties while traveling to Ocean City. That’s the best way to do this and his best to do it from the beginning and not try to add it later. Philadelphia have a similar bridge that has a train on it also. Just build the one in Maryland better than that one. I will also say you need a bridge from Woodbridge Virginia area to Maryland.
Tear both bridges down and let the people move on to other areas of our great country. There are too many people jammed up in such a small area. The lure of living on the bay ended when the fish and other sea life were killed off by green-lawn-fertilizer pollution. I say let's bring the bay back to a wildlife paradise and end the constant encroachment on their home. No one doubts the demise of the 'hard-head' (croaker) population during the original construction in 1952. How dare we think another span will do any good to the creature populations. Having grown up in the area and watched the demise of a once flourishing bay, it sickens me to see more of the same being proposed. I myself moved on many years ago after seeing the diminished quality of life, both wildlife and human.
PLEASE BUILD A TRAIN BRIDGE. Another span will not stop the massive amounts of traffic. When people see a new bridge they will want to use it, leaving traffic just as bad even worse as it was. We need a train to connect baltimore and OC. The East coast will be destroyed by the highway, once quiet towns like rock hall will probobly be turned into sprawl, just as stevensville was on kent island.
This type of thing is happening on major US CITIES PROBABLY ON BOTH COASTS . New York/New Jersey needs it badly . The longer the wait the traffic snarls and pollution will increase
The need is for the designation of Future I-97 and building thereof along the US-301 corridor southward from US-50 to I-95/VA-207. That is how capacity should be increased on the I-95 corridor to parallel and bypass I-95 and I-495 and the Washington area.
Yeah. It is time for a new one. 8 lanes is not enough. I would recommend it to be a double deck bridge with a total of 12 lanes.(6 on the top, 6 on the bottom.) Just a suggestion...
Great idea! Have 2 “truck only” lanes so cars and trucks can each “do their thing” separately. Yeah, have to expand the departures to 4 lanes each way until get to next major junctions either way.
Wait until you are stuck on the bridge and it fails! You all go swimming or drown! Politicians wouldn't raise taxes to fix something & lie to you about it, would they?
If engineers can look to the design of the Mario Cuomo bridge, formerly the Tappan Zee bridge, the design will update its look, last for many years with minimal upkeep, and be able to carry four to five lanes of traffic in each direction. I've traveled this bridge many times and this design came to mind.
I left the area 30 years ago so I really don't have a dog in the hunt. It does seem that a new bridge is in order. The original bridge is over 70 years old. There should be one cable stayed bridge to replace the two current spans. I am not aware of any protection to the bridge piers to keep them safe from a cargo ship. As for a train...no train could possibly climb the grade required for the bridge to cross the Bay and allow for ship clearance. A separate bridge with a drawbridge would need to be built. Just my opinions. It's your problem, Maryland, and it's a big problem.
More studies and no action. Does Maryland really not want a new bridge or is the state that badly managed. The recent bridge collapse suggests the latter. Delaware has a twin span with 8 lanes total that fully opened in 1969, so this isn't some new-fangled concept or never been done before.
It would be a Maryland project - based on bonds repaid through the continuation of tolls at the crossing. The Key Bridge, as a result of being an interstate highway facility and collapsing due to ship collision, is eligible for replacement with federal assistance.
I don't like anything Jim Moran wants he only wants the bridge there because he owns a cement plant on the west side of the bridge and he will probably get the bid and make a lot of money.
A new bigger bridge won't solve anything. In fact it will make the problem worse. After a new bridge is built, commute times will go down temporarily. During that time, even more people than before will move/vacation to the east shore and then uh oh, now we're gonna need an even bigger bridge to "solve" the traffic problems. I would rather build up more infrastructure to promote public transport than just adding more lanes for cars.
When they say a replacement bridge? Why would they just add another span. Also, now that I am writing this statement, the FSK Bridge is now down because a big ship ran into it earlier this year and now that has to be paid for by our tax money and it's going to take at least five years to get it done. I don't know why this takes so long when it should just get done. They have been talking about this for the last fifteen years. Just fix it. How ever or whatever they need to do just do it. They also need to bring the ferry back because that will help too. Its just going to get worse not better. A train would be nice too. Stop screwing around and just get it done. My family go to the shore all the time and my job takes me there a couple of days a week too. FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope when they build a new bridge, they include a train that goes over it all the way to Ocean City. If not, you will not solve the problem. And I know it will be people sitting at the table saying we don’t need a train for whatever reason, but those are the people that make the dumbest decision. You need a railway to go over that bridge to move people to eliminate the traffic and cars from being on it.
An 80 lane tunnel with overhead airplane space wouldn't solve the problem. All you're doing is inviting more congestion and mayhem.
You read my mind.
Kid who grew up in MD here. Back in the day, Kent Narrows Drawbridge openings would back up traffic. They fixed that. MD likes “gimmick” solutions. Contraflow is incredibly dangerous, so they lower the speed limit to “school zone” speeds. Tolls are already charged, so replacement funding, from a legal standpoint shouldn’t be a problem. If NY could quickly replace the Tappen Zee Bridge and FL could rapidly replace the Sunshine State Skyway after a ship wrecked into it, Maryland is just making excuses, and their citizens “just take it” instead of demanding better from their governments!!
How about a tunnel, the way SF did it for BART several years ago. If a new bridge is built, can they make it wide enough and with high enough guardrails to not scare the p*** out of people?
Well north of the spans not near Annapolis. Or Kent Island. Baltimore county to eastern shore.
Agree with your basic viewpoint.
They're definitely going to have to replace that old bridge so when they build a new one why not include a span for passenger trains?
They've done studies on trains and found that trains would only reduce traffic by as little as 2% iirc
@@MrCrappyProduction Can i see the studies?
I agree with others. Building a new bridge would only be a short term fix. The roads supporting a bridge wouldn't handle more traffic. Also, if you build a larger bridge then more people will come.
You need to decide if you really want more people.
Any bridge must include at least 2 train tracks. You need to move people and freight from the roads, to the rails.
They’ve been talking about a replacement span since I moved to Annapolis…in 1986!!!
After what just happened in Baltimore, they should be considering a tunnel there as well as on US-50.
My solution would be a tunnel as on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel.
No bridge over the shipping channel.
I sketched out a 4-lane bridge-tunnel there for US-50 eastbound traffic. Island near the west anchorage, another near the east end of the eastern channel span. Just south of the two current bridges. About 9,000 foot long tunnel.
Someday in the future when the current bridges wear out they can be replaced with 4-lane bridge-tunnel for westbound traffic.
A replacement bridge WILL NOT alleviate the gridlock along Rt. 50 through Queen Anne's County. This is a major safety concern for the Dept of Emergency Services and the local population.
They would need something along the lines of the new Eastern Span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge or the New Tappan Zee Bridge (5 lanes in each direction), plus Express Toll Lanes (like that found on I-95 between I-895 north of Baltimore to White Marsh) on both sides of the bridge.
Come on Hogan. Lets get this project started. Its hell coming back from O.C.
This could provide an opportunity to extend I-97 across Chesapeake Bay and than southbound on the Delmarva Peninsula. Currently I-97 only goes from Baltimore to Annapolis which is only 30 miles which is awfully short for a mainline interstate.
YES ! Into Norfolk. NC needs a coastal interstate to remove traffic from I-95 (Which is being widened to 8 lanes) , and to serve the coastal communities.
Future it could extend further to NewBern NC, Wilmington NC (where I live), Charleston and terminate in Savannah.
Also, Heading North From Queenstown could be a spur route I-297 to go back to I-95.
Adding another span of the bridge will not help traffic flow. Because people will still have to drive on 97 and 50 which both become backed up due too traffic issues in Annapolis before you get to the bridge now due to small traffic issues. The reality is that they don’t want to pay to connect 695 or 100 to the shore which would alleviate traffic from the north going to Annapolis to cross which is the biggest issue.
You're so right Ct! Take a look at Huey Long Bridge(New Orleans)! It carries Amtrak from Chicago! And they made it wider! We need this idea NJ-STATEN IS.,NY.
Actually, it's Amtrack's "Sunset Limited" train that goes over the Huey Long Bridge, not the "City of New Orleans".
? The older span 1952 (Northbound) is getting a new decking 2023-2025. The newer span Westbound 1972 isn't. So which span are they 'replacing', or is this just a new addition?
I see requests for the new span to be 8 lanes. [ could be 5 westbound, median, 3 that are interchangable] with the other two bridges both Eastbound 5 total.
Eight lanes will not solve the traffic problems. I see that because there are not eight lanes leading to the bridge itself from either direction. So you will have a back up on that bridge. If you want to alleviate or get rid of some of that back up, you must have a railway that go across the bridge through the projected counties all the way to Ocean City. That way, the train/railway will take some of the load off of the traffic issues. I’m speaking of a train similar to the light rail. It will be less cars on the road which means less cars on the bridge if you add a train. And yes, the train have to make stops in certain counties while traveling to Ocean City. That’s the best way to do this and his best to do it from the beginning and not try to add it later. Philadelphia have a similar bridge that has a train on it also. Just build the one in Maryland better than that one. I will also say you need a bridge from Woodbridge Virginia area to Maryland.
Tear both bridges down and let the people move on to other areas of our great country. There are too many people jammed up in such a small area. The lure of living on the bay ended when the fish and other sea life were killed off by green-lawn-fertilizer pollution. I say let's bring the bay back to a wildlife paradise and end the constant encroachment on their home. No one doubts the demise of the 'hard-head' (croaker) population during the original construction in 1952. How dare we think another span will do any good to the creature populations.
Having grown up in the area and watched the demise of a once flourishing bay, it sickens me to see more of the same being proposed. I myself moved on many years ago after seeing the diminished quality of life, both wildlife and human.
PLEASE BUILD A TRAIN BRIDGE. Another span will not stop the massive amounts of traffic. When people see a new bridge they will want to use it, leaving traffic just as bad even worse as it was. We need a train to connect baltimore and OC. The East coast will be destroyed by the highway, once quiet towns like rock hall will probobly be turned into sprawl, just as stevensville was on kent island.
No. Trains go no where. Nobody wants to ride a stupid train. Cali tried a train and they've taken a billion or so bath on it because nobody wants it.
why not build a bridge tunnel just like the lower bay. It would more cost effective than a bridge in the long run.
This type of thing is happening on major US CITIES PROBABLY ON BOTH COASTS . New York/New Jersey needs it badly . The longer the wait the traffic snarls and pollution will increase
The need is for the designation of Future I-97 and building thereof along the US-301 corridor southward from US-50 to I-95/VA-207.
That is how capacity should be increased on the I-95 corridor to parallel and bypass I-95 and I-495 and the Washington area.
I disagree with having any extension of I-97. My position that 97 should be decommissioned and its roadway be made an an extension of I-70.
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I-70 would have a missing section between I-695 and I-97.
My I-97 proposal would be a perfect use of that number.
Why not a Tunnel?
Yeah. It is time for a new one. 8 lanes is not enough. I would recommend it to be a double deck bridge with a total of 12 lanes.(6 on the top, 6 on the bottom.) Just a suggestion...
But what will happen when you go from 6 to 3 lanes?
Great idea! Have 2 “truck only” lanes so cars and trucks can each “do their thing” separately. Yeah, have to expand the departures to 4 lanes each way until get to next major junctions either way.
According to your thinking we might just as well pave over the entire bay.
Build baby build. It can't happen too soon!!
Wait until you are stuck on the bridge and it fails! You all go swimming or drown! Politicians wouldn't raise taxes to fix something & lie to you about it, would they?
Kinda stupid
If engineers can look to the design of the Mario Cuomo bridge, formerly the Tappan Zee bridge, the design will update its look, last for many years with minimal upkeep, and be able to carry four to five lanes of traffic in each direction. I've traveled this bridge many times and this design came to mind.
I left the area 30 years ago so I really don't have a dog in the hunt. It does seem that a new bridge is in order. The original bridge is over 70 years old. There should be one cable stayed bridge to replace the two current spans. I am not aware of any protection to the bridge piers to keep them safe from a cargo ship.
As for a train...no train could possibly climb the grade required for the bridge to cross the Bay and allow for ship clearance. A separate bridge with a drawbridge would need to be built.
Just my opinions. It's your problem, Maryland, and it's a big problem.
Why does Larry Hogan own all the land where a bridge can be built?
Larry Hogan doesn't own the land, the State of MD does.
Respectfully, scare tactics never really glean positive results. Your soapboxing viewpoint is yours.
What are they going to do with the scariest bridge in Maryland?
Scary to whom?
Replace the 50s bridge and modernize the 70s one.
More studies and no action. Does Maryland really not want a new bridge or is the state that badly managed. The recent bridge collapse suggests the latter. Delaware has a twin span with 8 lanes total that fully opened in 1969, so this isn't some new-fangled concept or never been done before.
All they thonk abput is tge boats tgey have no concern for drivers safety
1:17 you just put on a tape
Is the state of Maryland going pay for it or beg for the rest of the USA taxpayers to foot the bill? It is a Maryland problem, no one else's
It would be a Maryland project - based on bonds repaid through the continuation of tolls at the crossing.
The Key Bridge, as a result of being an interstate highway facility and collapsing due to ship collision, is eligible for replacement with federal assistance.
Deportations would solve problem.
I don't like anything Jim Moran wants he only wants the bridge there because he owns a cement plant on the west side of the bridge and he will probably get the bid and make a lot of money.
A new bigger bridge won't solve anything. In fact it will make the problem worse. After a new bridge is built, commute times will go down temporarily. During that time, even more people than before will move/vacation to the east shore and then uh oh, now we're gonna need an even bigger bridge to "solve" the traffic problems.
I would rather build up more infrastructure to promote public transport than just adding more lanes for cars.
*** FERRY SERVICE MAYBE ???
Maryland's highway system is a joke
When they say a replacement bridge? Why would they just add another span. Also, now that I am writing this statement, the FSK Bridge is now down because a big ship ran into it earlier this year and now that has to be paid for by our tax money and it's going to take at least five years to get it done. I don't know why this takes so long when it should just get done. They have been talking about this for the last fifteen years. Just fix it. How ever or whatever they need to do just do it. They also need to bring the ferry back because that will help too. Its just going to get worse not better. A train would be nice too. Stop screwing around and just get it done. My family go to the shore all the time and my job takes me there a couple of days a week too. FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get immigrants to build it…all those doctors and engineers
Y'all screwed.
All it takes is money.
We dont need a new bridge
not gonna happen..
More bridge will just make more traffic.
Go back to the ferries. I HATE that awful goddamn scary bridge.