I’m glad it’s not just me, it’s very bizarre to the point it must be intentional hahah. Some algorithmic Stockholm syndrome grindset to make us work harder or something. Cause you’d think computers by now could differentiate between “funny” and “not funny” comments because it really is that simple sometimes.
4:43 This is generally a good line of thinking, and not just for creatives negotiating sponsorships. I've spoken with at least 3 coworkers in my last 2 jobs where they were paid less than me for the same exact job, and all accepted the first rate that was offered to them. In my experience, employers are more likely to pay better if you ask for the pay you want. Interviews are 2-way negotiations, and if an employer didn't need you, you wouldn't have been offered the interview in the first place. ALWAYS assert your value.
This video was clearly sponsored by a healthy sense of self worth, authenticity, and integrity. There wasn't even a link to a microtransaction riddled mobile game. Time for me to rant: Every time I hear Joel open up about creativity and the artistic process I learn something new. I love how he approaches art and I feel he truly has earned the moniker of "artist," not just from his work, but his mindset. Even the way he talks about people leaving negative comments on his work is incredibly empathetic. Just him recounting what someone must feel like to leave a negative comment was so refreshing, to see someone actually try to put themselves into someone's shoes and see the pain behind someone's anger instead of outright dismissing them or making them "the enemy." When you made the "Baldur's Gate 3" video, my first thought was, "Cool, Joel Haver did a video on 'Baldur's Gate 3." My second thought was, "This is probably sponsored... Dope, that means Joel got a paycheck," and then I watched the video and enjoyed it a lot. I swear, if Joel Haver ever does a sponsored video like the BG3 one again I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it and probably share it with my friends because I think it's really funny. Rant over. Edit: Artists deserve to be paid for their art, what they do is invaluable to the human experience, entitled audiences should stop shaming artists for accepting payment for their art. You can't eat wishes and dreams.
I have fought sponsors tooth and nail to keep certain jokes/bits in my ad reads. A majority of the time they let me get away with it. Coming across professionally to them, and letting them know that my audience will respond to the ad read better if I get to keep my jokes goes a long way. But I think you're right, I also get the sense that most creators are just going with the flow, perhaps afraid that if they speak up they may lose the sponsorship.
I stopped checking notifications years ago because youtube was *only* sending me negative ones that would ruin my day, so I definitely feel what you're saying about that...
It is so bizarre! You think they’d have an algorithm that detects that stuff, the times I’ve gotten a “not funny” or “this is bad” notification is baffling, whereas I’m getting one hundred times as many complimentary comments that don’t get notifications.
Time to game the system for the sake of attention. Not funny, this is bad. Hey Joel and Scott! Big fan of both channels. I'm not sure how it'd work but I'd go pretty nuts if you somehow did a crossover or traded content styles for a day/video.
@@joeltalksaboutmovies it's possible they have some algorithm that realized negative comments have a higher chance of engagement. As in you're more likely to engage and reply to a negative comment than a positive one. Only way it makes sense to me at least...
@fernandodaela This is almost assuredly what is happening here. The algorithm prioritizes engagement, and the algorithm has determined that most users (and creators) are more likely to engage with negative feedback than with positive feedback. Would sure be nice if TH-cam had some empathy for what creators on their site go through when negative feedback gets spotlighted by their systems.
It was always amaze me that your first big viral hit was parody of a Bethesda game and now you make those exact same types of jokes in a sponsored video and people lose their minds. Every sponsored animation so far has been a Diamond Class Certified Joel Haver Banger FIRST, and an advertisement second. Getting to work on a few of them has been a lot of fun too! I think people just feel their tastes moving away from something they once loved and they want to intellectualize it. Just people trying to look smart for themselves, creating problems where they don't exist. That's my two cents! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Michael! Well said and I’m glad the heart is apparent sponsored or not. I don’t think often enough how poetic it is that it has come full circle like that. The Baldur’s Gate and Starfield animations wouldn’t have been possible without you, thanks for your help animating king❤️
Sponsored or not, your animations have always been masterpieces. None of them ever came off as an oversell or something invasive, at least in my own opinion. I think your work and the people who love it can speak on your behalf.
Hey Joel! If you’re experiencing back pain from animating you might benefit from positioning the tablet more vertical and higher up, like a painter on a canvas. I animated flat on my desk for years with crazy back pain until I switched to this way. Maybe it’ll help you too!
Makes me think twice about how I do sponsorships. In D&D TH-cam, most sponsors are indie writers publishing their own books of D&D-compatible content. I only accept ones that I think are making something great, but I totally go with: summarize a few bullet points in 30-60s, pay rent. Recently though, I did a dedicated sponsored video like you described. It didn’t even cross my mind to try a more creative/storytelling approach, so it was basically a 5min ad. The sponsor was happy, it sold a bunch of their books, but I didn’t feel great about it. Plus it was my lowest viewed video, in like, years 😅. D&D TH-cam isn’t a huge niche, so I can’t pass up on the standard short plugs. But if I have the opportunity for another dedicated video, I’m going to go a more creative route. Thanks Joel. (Also mean comments suck)
I haven't done any sponsors before, but I did make a review for a drawing tablet many years ago. Without even knowing anything about talking business, I just opened my response email with "I want this and this and this, and I'm gonna do it like this and this, and that's what I want" and they just agreed to it. So I think you are definitely on to something. Not to say that every company will be as agreeable, but it's worth trying.
I'm surprised that it isn't fairly obvious to most TH-camrs: companies are seeking them out for a reason. If a company specifically contacts you to ask you to advertise for them, you have all the leverage in the world. If you contact a company asking them for money, only then is the leverage on their side. The basic thinking behind responding to a company asking you to advertise their product should always be "If it's entirely on my terms, maybe. If not, don't bother contacting me again." Unless, of course, it's always been your lifelong dream to tell people about what great "champions" are playable in Raid: Shadow Legends...
@@KnuckleHunkybuckunfortunately I think that greatly over-simplifies the issue. Think about the supply and demand situation. If the product is TH-camr ad space, there is an enormous amount of supply and limited demand. Unless a channel has accumulated a large, valuable, and targeted community, leverage will typically belong to the company writing the checks.
@@DanKaschel Nah, the leverage belongs to the party receiving the request, not the one making it. If someone shows up at your door offering to write you a check, they obviously have a need, and you obviously have something of value to them. It really is that simple. If a channel doesn't have something that a potential advertiser wants, why would they be sending them an email in the first place?
@@KnuckleHunkybuck You go to a gas station to buy gas. They have what you want. They have the power, right? Turns out the sign was wrong and the gas is twice as expensive. So you just buy the gas and pay double, right? Fuck no. You cross the street and get it cheaper. They had what you wanted, but they weren't the only ones.
The beginning of "Joel Havar Animation Studios". Ain't that the dream? A company with mostly just friends doing the work together, creating art, sharing ideas, having fun (mostly) and making a living. Awesome work, love all your animations. My eyes widened when I saw the nearly 14 minute time for the Lords of the Fallen video. Hats off to you and Mr. Martens.
Thank you for your continued authenticity and transparency on your TH-cam journey. That animation is so rad and I love that you got paid to do something you have genuine passion for. ❤
One thing I love about Joel is that he is so charitable in his perspectives and interpretations of others. Like SNL kinda maybe stole his toilet paper bears bit (S+ tier btw, softest toilet paper in the world) and he gives plenty of cover for them by saying that convergent ideas abound and that truly novel comedy is rare. He is so wholesome and understanding and considerate, and then he drops a bombshell that he will die in the trenches fighting comment trolls. I 100% agree and I love it.
I think that's a good point that creators probably don't think they have the leverage to ask for more creative control. But hopefully if they see what you are doing maybe it'll give them the confidence to ask.
I 100% agree with all of this. I own a small indie game company and I actually did an animation with Trent for one of my games, and we literally just went into it with a slight outline of the story and improvved… improved… improv-ed? The past form of improv… the entire thing and I think it was super fun and turned out really funny. Anyway, point is we just had fun with it and made a creative silly video and I think it’s so much better than any regular ad. So coming from a game studio, thank you for your work in making ads better. You’re awesome, Joel. (And so is Trent haha thanks again for working with me!) Btw the video is called “It’s The BOSS Fight.” By StegTech Games if you want to see it lol
Joel, you seem to have a big heart for your viewers. You encouraged me to get back into making videos with your oscars challenge this year. I'm back on TH-cam and making videos. Thank you.
My girlfriend and I love watching all of your content. Doesn't matter if it's your 1 hour movies or your short skits. We always talk about how refreshing your content is because it's authentic. You really know how to capture "normal" human interactions. I hope your back feels better soon.
I love how Joel literally made a video with step by step instructions on how he animates, and yet he gets called out as using AI to make them. Keep up the great work Joel, your very inspirational!
i don't know what you mean by "called out" but did you watch the video you're referring to? because he literally showed in it that he does use AI, and explained why that's a good thing. which I think is awesome. not sure why some people would think it's a bad thing.
He does use AI, Ebsynth is powered by AI, and it's being used by some AI artists to help smooth out videos. Joel has made several videos that used Midjourney images. There's nothing at all wrong with it. Edit: Oh yeah, and I've even seen AI artists refer to Ebsynth as the "Joel Haver method" XD
TH-cam knows that negativity can drive engagement. Maybe they're actively trying to make their platform more toxic because they want more ad revenue? Anyway, it's nice to have someone as relentlessly positive as Joel around :)
This video is just further proof of how Joel is such a good guy and creator for the platform. I found the channel off the animations, but I've had so much fun going through the non-animated content ever since. Just remember, Joel, your fans appreciate you and all your hard work! We'll fight the bastards for ya
I love the way you do sponsored videos, its crazy how many big games you've got sponsorships for and the videos themselves are so stand out compared to regular sponsorships that'd just be tacked on, you're great joel you've found the sweet spot of doing sponsored content in a way that really works for you I respect that a lot.
An anonymous troll with a lost soul has entered the comment section. They dish out bad-faith criticism denouncing your authenticity as an artist. What do you do? A. Ignore the troll B. Feed the troll C. Do a loop-dee-loop and pull ~ and your shoes are lookin’ cool
It always rubs me the wrong way when I see people mocking creators for replying to hateful comments in order to defend their work, like that's inherently unprofessional or something. I wonder if it's a carry-over from the twisted world of customer service, where the consumer (viewer) expects the service provider (creator) to always be kind to them personally no matter what.
You and a few other artists and their respective teams are truly champions of TH-cam. You make the platform beautiful with genuine and unique contributions - including exposition videos like this one. Thank you for everything!
Your unique style and personality in these projects is what makes them such utterly genius creations and designs. Your art makes the world a better place. (I loved the lords of the fallen one with the character in eternal suffering who finds a lamp and makes a friend)
All 3 videos so far were great. Not only they make fun of the quirky aspects of the games (devs should embrace it s well), but also showcase game world while keeping it not all that serious. If someone was asking me what should be premium grade standard of sponsored content I would point them to these videos.
Your drive and need to be genuine before all else is the BEST thing about you and your channel, Joel. Please don't ever change! You can quit TH-cam and give up on your career, but don't give up on yourself! I have always struggled with trust issues yet you always make me comfortable, that's how I know you rule! Thanks again, Joel.
That Lords of the Fallen video is probably my favorite of everything you've made. I was so genuinely invested in the story and laughing at the absurdity.
Yo Elden Ring is a great place to start. And the fact that you've *only* done high-quality sponsors means you retain the "if-I-say-it's-good-I-actually-mean-it" vibe that is so rare these days. Really appreciate it and each one of your sponsored vids still made me laugh and cry. One of my favorite TH-camrs. 6/10
The Elden Ring video was how I found your main channel and you've since been my favorite creator on TH-cam. I had already planned on eventually getting Baldurs Gate and Lords of the Fallen, but seeing that you did "ad" vids for them, makes me even more want the games because it also just gives me a better perspective that the companies aren't the stereotype and actually will work with creators. Keep doing what you do man!
Compared to 99% of sponsored videos I love your's. You put so much effort in your videos. I wish people would do more sponsorship videos with your spirit and love.
You do amazing things Joel, and it's okay to feel down about negative comments. I just hope that for each bad one there's a good one to pick you up again.
Joel, I just wanna say, not only are you extremely funny and talented, but although I mean no disrespect to other youtubers trying to make a living, I truly get the feeling your trying to spread comedy, but also just overall make the world a better place than you left it, and use your youtube channel to do so. Your calling people and telling them you love them really stuck with me, because I think by all pragmatic general youtube analytic standards it was a bad idea, but I thought it was extremely cool. I can't imagine the amount of love and positivity you spread with that video alone, through your own actions, but also through other people that would want to emulate them. Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to say I really find your content funny, but I also just really appreciate what your doing on youtube overall, and even though I don't think I would ever make it in the youtube industry, I aspire to act as you do, if I end up achieving any sort of influence.
Dude... Don't listen to haters. You are fucking living legend. My heart is so fucking wide open every time you are on my screen. Truly. You are an inspiration beyond compare. It came from the fridge and Lanky Kong are just *chef's kiss* - And so is everything you do. Thank you ❤
these videos were so refreshing and fun and to watch. It certainly helps that a lot of those studios are clearly full of great people who get it. I've watched the videos a few times over
Man, i completely agree. Your format works for it completely. Seeing rhett and link do a themed episode sounds iffy at first thought. A hello fresh episode would be doable i guess but not slandering at all would sacrifice the point of doing it in a way. I think anthony padilla does get with better health, he does read a script and do what you are saying but the main topics are applied in episode. If he didnt have to read off the script it would be better. I think its such a losing battle but man if it was just connected that would be amazing. I truly wish you the best. Thank you for the countless hours you helped me get through, i feel thankful a shamful amount that i can scroll through videos and just get by and have a good time doing it.
when i see video titles like this one from channels that i subscribe to, I always worry that someone I thought I liked has now decided to lay down a condescending tirade about some self-absorbed virtuoso vision about how they're right and other people are wrong to approach something a certain way, or whatever - and i always get that brief pang of worry, that if i watch the video, i'll no longer really feel like i'm seeing eye to eye with that person anymore, and that i'll start to feel jaded about it, etc etc. fortunately, with your videos, i never feel that. i'm always concerned when i see it still, but the things you talk about are always genuine and as a person, you're unchanging in your commitment to be a positive influence. i don't know what the point of this comment is, really, but i guess just, thanks for not disappointing me/us, and thanks for being who you are in giving well-thought-out opinions about what it means to have a position like you do.
Your sponsored animations are, firstmost, hilarious and in the same vein of comedy / style to your non-sponsored ones. That's integrity right there. They remind me of when South Park had a World of Warcraft episode: using the game as a catalyst for commentary on in-jokes with that game's community, rather than a commercial. If the companies paid you, they got their money's value and then some; if you got paid, that's one less obstacle to your other creative endeavors that may have been shelved due to financial issues.
I have sent all of these sponsered videos to friends, because they are great. Sometimes I hesitate to send a video to a friend if the sponser part is too cringy.
Feel you on the 99.9% of comments being incredibly kind, and the remaining 0.1% somehow being notification worthy according to TH-cam. Engagement by any means necessary!
Joel, I absolutely love how candid, thoughtful and genuine you are. I did it just sub to you because your skits are entertaining, but because I love hearing what you have to think.
Whenever I get a negative comment TH-cam likes to put it front and center on the Comments tab like "Hey, you haven't responded to this yet! Don't you want to explain to @JohnSmith6648 why you actually do get invited to parties and aren't a loser??" I've only deleted one comment and it was just because I didn't want to look at it every time I opened up the Studio page lol. Generally I leave people to their negativity...
Joel, as the author and only writer for my TTRPG (Eon Legacy) your work has been an entertaining and uplifting boon. I often have your work on a playlist just to retain a mood while working on specific thematic work (me and my hyper focused tunnel vision). Thank you, sir, for your work is a moodsetter.
Even when you're at the top you can hear people yelling from the bottom. You're success and valuable relationships should be a loud enough response. Keep creating Joel, keep inspiring. Mush love friend 🍄💚
such a wholesome dude If you wanna see it done beautifully, Will Tennyson is one of the best. It's absolutely wild. He just uses it in his daily life, so it's there with all his other components to make his meal and then he just B-rolls the product for like 3 seconds and moves on. It is soooooo smooth and natural. I really have a lot of respect for people that can make ads entertaining. I used to actually stop and watch the Purple ads because they were just so much fun. The Sasquatch family was so funny.
Honestly your lotf video made me actually want to try the game. Your sponsored videos are some of the only advertisements that I actually enjoy, and want me to actually play the games.
What really gets me is the stuff about sponsors and things like Better Help- where we know there are major issues with it, but so many people were already locked into contracts and have to do them despite heavy criticism from viewers.
This is what originally drew me to your work. It is very apparent that you value how your art is received and that it is ART and not a cash grab. Good on you for focusing on the art and not letting the business get in the way.
Your 2nd point of integrity on youtube hits DEEP man. I am a hobbyist musician for 5 years and don't market my music in any way, and the whole 2nd half of this video is so relatable.
Joel is just, the fucking best... Great dude, smart as hell, and kind hearted. I support everything to do with Joel! I have loved all of these animations for these games! It's so genius, and a peferct pairing for these gaming developers. 💯 💯 💯
Hi Joel. It's amazing (and definitely a sign of your hard work) the credibility you've built on this platform. Moreover, your integrity/ moral code AND kindness is inspiring. Thank you for giving us hope
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99% of youtube comments: positive and friendly.
The 1% that youtube decides to send as notifications on my phone: incoherent insults.
I’m glad it’s not just me, it’s very bizarre to the point it must be intentional hahah. Some algorithmic Stockholm syndrome grindset to make us work harder or something. Cause you’d think computers by now could differentiate between “funny” and “not funny” comments because it really is that simple sometimes.
The Baldur's Gate video is absolute gold. Even my wife and kids, who have zero interest in such games, found it hysterical.
Aww I love to hear that! My goal is always to create something that doesn’t require deep knowledge of the game to enjoy.
same! i’ve never played that game either but still really enjoyed the video!
@@joeltalksaboutmovies Your video was the first time I've even heard of the game.
@@joeltalksaboutmoviesthat baulders gate one made me finally play the game!
I didn't have any interest in the game until I saw it. Now I'm about 200 hours in.
4:43 This is generally a good line of thinking, and not just for creatives negotiating sponsorships. I've spoken with at least 3 coworkers in my last 2 jobs where they were paid less than me for the same exact job, and all accepted the first rate that was offered to them. In my experience, employers are more likely to pay better if you ask for the pay you want. Interviews are 2-way negotiations, and if an employer didn't need you, you wouldn't have been offered the interview in the first place. ALWAYS assert your value.
This video was clearly sponsored by a healthy sense of self worth, authenticity, and integrity. There wasn't even a link to a microtransaction riddled mobile game.
Time for me to rant:
Every time I hear Joel open up about creativity and the artistic process I learn something new. I love how he approaches art and I feel he truly has earned the moniker of "artist," not just from his work, but his mindset.
Even the way he talks about people leaving negative comments on his work is incredibly empathetic. Just him recounting what someone must feel like to leave a negative comment was so refreshing, to see someone actually try to put themselves into someone's shoes and see the pain behind someone's anger instead of outright dismissing them or making them "the enemy."
When you made the "Baldur's Gate 3" video, my first thought was, "Cool, Joel Haver did a video on 'Baldur's Gate 3."
My second thought was, "This is probably sponsored... Dope, that means Joel got a paycheck," and then I watched the video and enjoyed it a lot.
I swear, if Joel Haver ever does a sponsored video like the BG3 one again I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it and probably share it with my friends because I think it's really funny.
Rant over.
Edit: Artists deserve to be paid for their art, what they do is invaluable to the human experience, entitled audiences should stop shaming artists for accepting payment for their art. You can't eat wishes and dreams.
Sounds more like a gush than a rant :)
Yeah but I cant gacha a healthy sense of worth or authenticity, wheres the ad joel?! tell me about genshin impact!!
I have fought sponsors tooth and nail to keep certain jokes/bits in my ad reads.
A majority of the time they let me get away with it.
Coming across professionally to them, and letting them know that my audience will respond to the ad read better if I get to keep my jokes goes a long way.
But I think you're right, I also get the sense that most creators are just going with the flow, perhaps afraid that if they speak up they may lose the sponsorship.
I stopped checking notifications years ago because youtube was *only* sending me negative ones that would ruin my day, so I definitely feel what you're saying about that...
It is so bizarre! You think they’d have an algorithm that detects that stuff, the times I’ve gotten a “not funny” or “this is bad” notification is baffling, whereas I’m getting one hundred times as many complimentary comments that don’t get notifications.
Time to game the system for the sake of attention.
Not funny, this is bad. Hey Joel and Scott! Big fan of both channels. I'm not sure how it'd work but I'd go pretty nuts if you somehow did a crossover or traded content styles for a day/video.
Scott and Joel is a combo I’d love to see in a video
@@joeltalksaboutmovies it's possible they have some algorithm that realized negative comments have a higher chance of engagement. As in you're more likely to engage and reply to a negative comment than a positive one.
Only way it makes sense to me at least...
@fernandodaela This is almost assuredly what is happening here. The algorithm prioritizes engagement, and the algorithm has determined that most users (and creators) are more likely to engage with negative feedback than with positive feedback. Would sure be nice if TH-cam had some empathy for what creators on their site go through when negative feedback gets spotlighted by their systems.
It was always amaze me that your first big viral hit was parody of a Bethesda game and now you make those exact same types of jokes in a sponsored video and people lose their minds. Every sponsored animation so far has been a Diamond Class Certified Joel Haver Banger FIRST, and an advertisement second. Getting to work on a few of them has been a lot of fun too! I think people just feel their tastes moving away from something they once loved and they want to intellectualize it. Just people trying to look smart for themselves, creating problems where they don't exist. That's my two cents! Keep up the great work!
Thanks Michael! Well said and I’m glad the heart is apparent sponsored or not. I don’t think often enough how poetic it is that it has come full circle like that. The Baldur’s Gate and Starfield animations wouldn’t have been possible without you, thanks for your help animating king❤️
Sponsored or not, your animations have always been masterpieces. None of them ever came off as an oversell or something invasive, at least in my own opinion. I think your work and the people who love it can speak on your behalf.
You gotta build a chest-high wall between yourself and the h8ers
Hey Joel! If you’re experiencing back pain from animating you might benefit from positioning the tablet more vertical and higher up, like a painter on a canvas. I animated flat on my desk for years with crazy back pain until I switched to this way. Maybe it’ll help you too!
Makes me think twice about how I do sponsorships. In D&D TH-cam, most sponsors are indie writers publishing their own books of D&D-compatible content. I only accept ones that I think are making something great, but I totally go with: summarize a few bullet points in 30-60s, pay rent. Recently though, I did a dedicated sponsored video like you described. It didn’t even cross my mind to try a more creative/storytelling approach, so it was basically a 5min ad. The sponsor was happy, it sold a bunch of their books, but I didn’t feel great about it. Plus it was my lowest viewed video, in like, years 😅. D&D TH-cam isn’t a huge niche, so I can’t pass up on the standard short plugs. But if I have the opportunity for another dedicated video, I’m going to go a more creative route. Thanks Joel. (Also mean comments suck)
Woah! Two of my favorite TH-camrs in the same place-cheers! 🍻
Integrity cough cough sniper wolf not having it
TH-cam takes away the dislike button for creators mental health then proceeds to notify them when they get negative comments. Big brain moves.
I haven't done any sponsors before, but I did make a review for a drawing tablet many years ago. Without even knowing anything about talking business, I just opened my response email with "I want this and this and this, and I'm gonna do it like this and this, and that's what I want" and they just agreed to it.
So I think you are definitely on to something.
Not to say that every company will be as agreeable, but it's worth trying.
Hey, it's the animations channel.
I'm surprised that it isn't fairly obvious to most TH-camrs: companies are seeking them out for a reason. If a company specifically contacts you to ask you to advertise for them, you have all the leverage in the world. If you contact a company asking them for money, only then is the leverage on their side. The basic thinking behind responding to a company asking you to advertise their product should always be "If it's entirely on my terms, maybe. If not, don't bother contacting me again." Unless, of course, it's always been your lifelong dream to tell people about what great "champions" are playable in Raid: Shadow Legends...
@@KnuckleHunkybuckunfortunately I think that greatly over-simplifies the issue. Think about the supply and demand situation. If the product is TH-camr ad space, there is an enormous amount of supply and limited demand. Unless a channel has accumulated a large, valuable, and targeted community, leverage will typically belong to the company writing the checks.
@@DanKaschel Nah, the leverage belongs to the party receiving the request, not the one making it. If someone shows up at your door offering to write you a check, they obviously have a need, and you obviously have something of value to them. It really is that simple. If a channel doesn't have something that a potential advertiser wants, why would they be sending them an email in the first place?
@@KnuckleHunkybuck You go to a gas station to buy gas. They have what you want. They have the power, right?
Turns out the sign was wrong and the gas is twice as expensive. So you just buy the gas and pay double, right?
Fuck no. You cross the street and get it cheaper. They had what you wanted, but they weren't the only ones.
JOEL spelled backwards is LEO-J...
Joel, is a Thundercat trying to pretend he's people...
Hm. I like this. 👍
everytime i see the faceless dudes in the dead world in lords of the fallen i cant help but think of the one from your vid lol
Wait, that was an ad for Starfield? I thought that was an ad for succulents…
The beginning of "Joel Havar Animation Studios". Ain't that the dream? A company with mostly just friends doing the work together, creating art, sharing ideas, having fun (mostly) and making a living. Awesome work, love all your animations. My eyes widened when I saw the nearly 14 minute time for the Lords of the Fallen video. Hats off to you and Mr. Martens.
Thank you for your continued authenticity and transparency on your TH-cam journey. That animation is so rad and I love that you got paid to do something you have genuine passion for. ❤
When we've grown our channel big enough to get sponsors I definitely wanna do 'em the way you do 'em. Very inspiring stuff!!
I know you guys will do it, your stuff rocks! Much love and keep creating friends❤️
@@joeltalksaboutmovies we'll never stop creating ❤️
Joel Haver approved? I'm subscribed now - will watch some of your (101!) videos right after Joel stops yappin
the "AND it's fuckin fun" hahahaha truth
One thing I love about Joel is that he is so charitable in his perspectives and interpretations of others. Like SNL kinda maybe stole his toilet paper bears bit (S+ tier btw, softest toilet paper in the world) and he gives plenty of cover for them by saying that convergent ideas abound and that truly novel comedy is rare. He is so wholesome and understanding and considerate, and then he drops a bombshell that he will die in the trenches fighting comment trolls. I 100% agree and I love it.
I think that's a good point that creators probably don't think they have the leverage to ask for more creative control. But hopefully if they see what you are doing maybe it'll give them the confidence to ask.
I 100% agree with all of this. I own a small indie game company and I actually did an animation with Trent for one of my games, and we literally just went into it with a slight outline of the story and improvved… improved… improv-ed? The past form of improv… the entire thing and I think it was super fun and turned out really funny. Anyway, point is we just had fun with it and made a creative silly video and I think it’s so much better than any regular ad. So coming from a game studio, thank you for your work in making ads better. You’re awesome, Joel. (And so is Trent haha thanks again for working with me!)
Btw the video is called “It’s The BOSS Fight.” By StegTech Games if you want to see it lol
Joel continues to be just the nicest guy on youtube
Joel, you seem to have a big heart for your viewers.
You encouraged me to get back into making videos with your oscars challenge this year. I'm back on TH-cam and making videos. Thank you.
I like that the thumbnail looks like you're going on a rant and it's just a sensible talk about art, creating and empathy.
My girlfriend and I love watching all of your content. Doesn't matter if it's your 1 hour movies or your short skits. We always talk about how refreshing your content is because it's authentic. You really know how to capture "normal" human interactions. I hope your back feels better soon.
Aw thanks for watching together, that’s really special! Happy you guys check everything out. Wish you both well
You know it's serious when you get Knife-Hand Joel in the thumbnail.
He’s chopping! He’s chopping!
I totally agree with defending yourself against unfair judgements. As long as it’s in a healthy way and not something eating at you.
I love how Joel literally made a video with step by step instructions on how he animates, and yet he gets called out as using AI to make them. Keep up the great work Joel, your very inspirational!
i don't know what you mean by "called out" but did you watch the video you're referring to? because he literally showed in it that he does use AI, and explained why that's a good thing.
which I think is awesome. not sure why some people would think it's a bad thing.
He does use AI, Ebsynth is powered by AI, and it's being used by some AI artists to help smooth out videos. Joel has made several videos that used Midjourney images. There's nothing at all wrong with it. Edit: Oh yeah, and I've even seen AI artists refer to Ebsynth as the "Joel Haver method" XD
TH-cam knows that negativity can drive engagement. Maybe they're actively trying to make their platform more toxic because they want more ad revenue?
Anyway, it's nice to have someone as relentlessly positive as Joel around :)
You give a whole new level to being a "creator", elevated and redefined even.
You can stand up for your work without trying to make people feel as bad as they made you feel.
"you are nobody until you have a well stocked list of enemies" - Jordan Shanks I think
This video is just further proof of how Joel is such a good guy and creator for the platform. I found the channel off the animations, but I've had so much fun going through the non-animated content ever since.
Just remember, Joel, your fans appreciate you and all your hard work! We'll fight the bastards for ya
I love the way you do sponsored videos, its crazy how many big games you've got sponsorships for and the videos themselves are so stand out compared to regular sponsorships that'd just be tacked on, you're great joel you've found the sweet spot of doing sponsored content in a way that really works for you I respect that a lot.
If more creators pushed for more freedom, everyone wins
I really appreciate all the work you do and the way you go about doing it, Joel
Thank you Hans❤️
it's nice to listen to you speak about things
An anonymous troll with a lost soul has entered the comment section. They dish out bad-faith criticism denouncing your authenticity as an artist. What do you do?
A. Ignore the troll
B. Feed the troll
C. Do a loop-dee-loop and pull ~ and your shoes are lookin’ cool
D. Accept them into my fold and allow them to guard whichever of my bridges they damn well please.
I was hoping for a secret 4th option. May your bridges be well-protected!
Thanks for being authentic Joel
It always rubs me the wrong way when I see people mocking creators for replying to hateful comments in order to defend their work, like that's inherently unprofessional or something. I wonder if it's a carry-over from the twisted world of customer service, where the consumer (viewer) expects the service provider (creator) to always be kind to them personally no matter what.
And yes, fighting back is good. It's also to help stand up for others who might be dealing with the same kind of things.
Bro, you're absof*ckinglutely right with standing up for yourself!
I commend you for it, and cleaning out the bad weeds!!
Much love!!!
I honestly wouldnt have known it was an ad, thats the level of quality. Both I've watched were excellent videos, that made me curious about the games.
Joel is by far one of the classiest artists on TH-cam. Love your creative vision, Joel!
You and a few other artists and their respective teams are truly champions of TH-cam. You make the platform beautiful with genuine and unique contributions - including exposition videos like this one. Thank you for everything!
We create boundaries with our close relationships, it’s important to do the same with our workplaces. That just takes numbers and time
Your unique style and personality in these projects is what makes them such utterly genius creations and designs. Your art makes the world a better place. (I loved the lords of the fallen one with the character in eternal suffering who finds a lamp and makes a friend)
All 3 videos so far were great. Not only they make fun of the quirky aspects of the games (devs should embrace it s well), but also showcase game world while keeping it not all that serious. If someone was asking me what should be premium grade standard of sponsored content I would point them to these videos.
Your drive and need to be genuine before all else is the BEST thing about you and your channel, Joel. Please don't ever change! You can quit TH-cam and give up on your career, but don't give up on yourself! I have always struggled with trust issues yet you always make me comfortable, that's how I know you rule! Thanks again, Joel.
That Lords of the Fallen video is probably my favorite of everything you've made. I was so genuinely invested in the story and laughing at the absurdity.
Yo Elden Ring is a great place to start. And the fact that you've *only* done high-quality sponsors means you retain the "if-I-say-it's-good-I-actually-mean-it" vibe that is so rare these days. Really appreciate it and each one of your sponsored vids still made me laugh and cry. One of my favorite TH-camrs.
6/10
The Elden Ring video was how I found your main channel and you've since been my favorite creator on TH-cam. I had already planned on eventually getting Baldurs Gate and Lords of the Fallen, but seeing that you did "ad" vids for them, makes me even more want the games because it also just gives me a better perspective that the companies aren't the stereotype and actually will work with creators. Keep doing what you do man!
I 100% wholeheartedly agree and I've always thought that if I was a TH-camr this is exactly how I would want to go about it
Yours and "internet comment etiquette" always put so much work into sponsored content and make it entertaining. Keep up the good work.
I couldn't agree with you more! Cheers mate
Compared to 99% of sponsored videos I love your's. You put so much effort in your videos. I wish people would do more sponsorship videos with your spirit and love.
You do amazing things Joel, and it's okay to feel down about negative comments. I just hope that for each bad one there's a good one to pick you up again.
Thank you Joel, your self-awareness on this topic is great. Thank you for talking about this kind of thing, it's really helpful for other creators.
Joel, I just wanna say, not only are you extremely funny and talented, but although I mean no disrespect to other youtubers trying to make a living, I truly get the feeling your trying to spread comedy, but also just overall make the world a better place than you left it, and use your youtube channel to do so. Your calling people and telling them you love them really stuck with me, because I think by all pragmatic general youtube analytic standards it was a bad idea, but I thought it was extremely cool. I can't imagine the amount of love and positivity you spread with that video alone, through your own actions, but also through other people that would want to emulate them. Sorry for the rant, I just wanted to say I really find your content funny, but I also just really appreciate what your doing on youtube overall, and even though I don't think I would ever make it in the youtube industry, I aspire to act as you do, if I end up achieving any sort of influence.
Dude... Don't listen to haters. You are fucking living legend. My heart is so fucking wide open every time you are on my screen. Truly. You are an inspiration beyond compare. It came from the fridge and Lanky Kong are just *chef's kiss* - And so is everything you do. Thank you ❤
these videos were so refreshing and fun and to watch. It certainly helps that a lot of those studios are clearly full of great people who get it. I've watched the videos a few times over
Man, i completely agree. Your format works for it completely. Seeing rhett and link do a themed episode sounds iffy at first thought. A hello fresh episode would be doable i guess but not slandering at all would sacrifice the point of doing it in a way.
I think anthony padilla does get with better health, he does read a script and do what you are saying but the main topics are applied in episode. If he didnt have to read off the script it would be better. I think its such a losing battle but man if it was just connected that would be amazing. I truly wish you the best. Thank you for the countless hours you helped me get through, i feel thankful a shamful amount that i can scroll through videos and just get by and have a good time doing it.
when i see video titles like this one from channels that i subscribe to, I always worry that someone I thought I liked has now decided to lay down a condescending tirade about some self-absorbed virtuoso vision about how they're right and other people are wrong to approach something a certain way, or whatever - and i always get that brief pang of worry, that if i watch the video, i'll no longer really feel like i'm seeing eye to eye with that person anymore, and that i'll start to feel jaded about it, etc etc. fortunately, with your videos, i never feel that. i'm always concerned when i see it still, but the things you talk about are always genuine and as a person, you're unchanging in your commitment to be a positive influence. i don't know what the point of this comment is, really, but i guess just, thanks for not disappointing me/us, and thanks for being who you are in giving well-thought-out opinions about what it means to have a position like you do.
inspired by ur dedication to storytelling :-)
Your sponsored animations are, firstmost, hilarious and in the same vein of comedy / style to your non-sponsored ones. That's integrity right there. They remind me of when South Park had a World of Warcraft episode: using the game as a catalyst for commentary on in-jokes with that game's community, rather than a commercial. If the companies paid you, they got their money's value and then some; if you got paid, that's one less obstacle to your other creative endeavors that may have been shelved due to financial issues.
Thank you for your thoughts and setting the example.
I have sent all of these sponsered videos to friends, because they are great. Sometimes I hesitate to send a video to a friend if the sponser part is too cringy.
Feel you on the 99.9% of comments being incredibly kind, and the remaining 0.1% somehow being notification worthy according to TH-cam. Engagement by any means necessary!
Joel, I absolutely love how candid, thoughtful and genuine you are. I did it just sub to you because your skits are entertaining, but because I love hearing what you have to think.
Joel is a gift from heavens to the platform
Right on Joel! It's cool that you're true to yourself.
I am so grateful for your existence
Whenever I get a negative comment TH-cam likes to put it front and center on the Comments tab like "Hey, you haven't responded to this yet! Don't you want to explain to @JohnSmith6648 why you actually do get invited to parties and aren't a loser??" I've only deleted one comment and it was just because I didn't want to look at it every time I opened up the Studio page lol. Generally I leave people to their negativity...
Joel, as the author and only writer for my TTRPG (Eon Legacy) your work has been an entertaining and uplifting boon. I often have your work on a playlist just to retain a mood while working on specific thematic work (me and my hyper focused tunnel vision). Thank you, sir, for your work is a moodsetter.
I would have appreciated a loud and sudden RAID SHADOW LEGENDS sponsor ad during the Curious George animation
Even when you're at the top you can hear people yelling from the bottom. You're success and valuable relationships should be a loud enough response. Keep creating Joel, keep inspiring. Mush love friend 🍄💚
This is a win for all parties involved.
Joel such a wholesome lil guy
you and caleb city are two really good examples of youtubers who do the best sponsors just by being yourselves
such a wholesome dude
If you wanna see it done beautifully, Will Tennyson is one of the best. It's absolutely wild. He just uses it in his daily life, so it's there with all his other components to make his meal and then he just B-rolls the product for like 3 seconds and moves on. It is soooooo smooth and natural.
I really have a lot of respect for people that can make ads entertaining. I used to actually stop and watch the Purple ads because they were just so much fun. The Sasquatch family was so funny.
Keep bring your unique form of comedy and style to the unwashed masses!!! Your content is sooo good and brings so much nerd cred to the videos!
even more than the creative aspect, I appreciate the transparency you have shown sharing this stuff with us. Makes it feel alot less greasy.
I really enjoyed the Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 sponsored videos and shared them with my friends.
Honestly your lotf video made me actually want to try the game. Your sponsored videos are some of the only advertisements that I actually enjoy, and want me to actually play the games.
What really gets me is the stuff about sponsors and things like Better Help- where we know there are major issues with it, but so many people were already locked into contracts and have to do them despite heavy criticism from viewers.
It was a long vids but it was always a treat when you come out with a cartoon
Always shaking up the space! Love you and your work Joel, keep up the genius!
This is what originally drew me to your work. It is very apparent that you value how your art is received and that it is ART and not a cash grab. Good on you for focusing on the art and not letting the business get in the way.
Truly insightful Joel, thank you for following your passion! I truly enjoy your work and honesty
There is nothing wrong with standing up for your work, you are a beacon on this platform
Your 2nd point of integrity on youtube hits DEEP man. I am a hobbyist musician for 5 years and don't market my music in any way, and the whole 2nd half of this video is so relatable.
I hope I will keep the same mindset as you once I find my stride.
Joel is just, the fucking best... Great dude, smart as hell, and kind hearted. I support everything to do with Joel! I have loved all of these animations for these games! It's so genius, and a peferct pairing for these gaming developers. 💯 💯 💯
Hi Joel. It's amazing (and definitely a sign of your hard work) the credibility you've built on this platform. Moreover, your integrity/ moral code AND kindness is inspiring.
Thank you for giving us hope
Joel, you are such a genuine sweetheart. I'm so glad you are giving yourself a break, but definitely looking forward to what you create next.
Thanks for another transparent explanation of some behind the scenes TH-cam stuff!
This is incredibly helpful and thank you for sharing your opinions on this. A lot of my other artist friends have concerns about this too.