Is the Man In the Glasses actually Future Guy from Enterprise!?
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There's a reason "Smoking Man" from the X-Files is still so iconic, we didn't really learn much about him.
Keep him secret, keep him safe.
:P
Actually we did he was freaking Mulders Dad! And was one of the first of the families to turn away from the aliens deal because he knew it was crap and probably not real. SHORT SYNOPSIS X files story is about 2 agents who discover that eventually aliens do exist and the secret rich and governments made a deal to relocate them to a new habitable planet and let the rest of humanity die or be abducted for experiments and take over earth. (i.e. a planet of earth's elites) Smoking man said screw all that and set them up with false info to get them caught and help Mulder find the pieces! Sorry I ranted lol just i have too much X-Files lore!
@@ns0557212 The X-Files went to shit after their 1st movie and subsequently moved production from BC to LA. The whole visual tone changed and made it harder to enjoy
future man is not remotely iconic, it's actually iconic in a negative way. like the racist episode of TNG.
Thing is Future Guy was from an earlier time period than Daniels was (who's from the 31st century). See the episode Cold Front.
He was part of a faction of radicals from the 28th century. He was arrested. Read Watching the clock. The DTI novel. The front in the 22nd century is because later on there is temporal shielding preventing time travelers from reaching these times. History has no record of who created the shield. Because they left no records. Used no communication devices or networks. Left no paper trail. No clues to tell future opponents the who or where to target. No classification can last forever. If you record things it can be found. Temporal scientists worked in secret with the help of the enforces ( some anyway) helping to hide them. To hide the transfer of material and resources. So any changes had to happen then. To prevent the rise of the temporal accords signee's and their enforcment of time travel restrictions.
modern medicine is a wonderful thing, extending life.
having a time machine from before the temporal accords is also helpful for getting from one time to another
@@Ozzy_2014 novels are not canon
Or he could be using more primitive time travel tech because of the burn.
or is he?
4:06 This is how I feel about section 31. I like the mystery of section 31 and how they exist in the shadows. Doing an entire show about section 31 is going to take that mystery away.
The mystery of a super secret Section 31 base...
...behind JUPITER!!!!
You could do a one off series about section 31, but it wouldn't be an action packed show. It would have to be morally gray and rather dull. Spycraft is not exciting work and while field agents have moments, it's most dull. A Section 31 series would be John John le Carré in space.
@@OlafoWaffle Also it is important to note the politics involved from a Doyalist and Watsonian sense. The Federation is a Communist civilisation. Section 31 isn’t the CIA it is the KGB or the STASI and it will be one cold day in Hell before Viacom lets a show where the KGB are the good guys is broadcast in their name.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 what if the remnants of the fallen order Like KGB,CIA,BND and so on banded together and formed a united service and hid in plain sight behind the Facade of Starfleet, that would explain some holes in the Storyline?
could be one explanation as to why the Vulcans were so apprehensive about sharing information/Technology.
I hope the S31 show ends up with a Metal Gear Solid kind of plot.
I thought the showrunners from "Enterprise" suggested "Future Guy" was in fact Capt. Archer from the future. This would have been revealed if the show gotten picked up for a new season.
Indeed. I specifically reference that
@@LoreReloaded I've been informed I'm a deaf idiot. Live long and prosper.
I don't remember TOS era ships being as advanced as Discovery either.The way Discovery changes stuff I wouldn't be surprised if Tribbles have a seat on what is left of the Federation.
Wait a minute, has there ever been any reference to Gary 7 in any of the post-OST shows? I wonder...
@@charleslennonbaker 🖖
Man in the Glasses is Daniels from his future. Future Guy is still Archer.
Good Guess - You nailed it !!!
The guy with the glasses, sound like the man that gave a lot of the info to Mulder in X-Files.
I just want him to keep being GMan with Glasses. If they do give us more details, it needs to be so slow of a drip feed, it could be construed as myth.
There are some ways they could make Kovich extremely interesting through more characterization, but they could even more easily ruin him. I have to agree. Keeping him mysterious is a good idea.
true so true they could ruin him if they do something wrong
i think kovich (the man in glasses as you call him) is simply the future version of section 31.
black clothing (in contrast to the rest of star fleet), does not give away more info then he has to, knows alot more than a standard officer really should (like specific randoms from the temporal conflicts as well as the highly classified divergent timelines/worlds)
plus if future s31 found out that a ship from 900 years ago surely they wouldn't allow Starfleet proper to interview/interrogate/debrief an s31 agent since she in theory could spill the beans on alot of events that people may not want to be revealed...
I'm really hoping that Kovach is just a civilian Federation historian that Starfleet brought in for his expertise in the Mirror universe, but will somehow nonetheless hang on as a recurring character. He's fun, but there's no reason at this stage to think he's anything more grandiose than a guy with a strong personality and a particular expertise.
Right !!! Spot on!!!
I've always suspected that future guy is a Romulan, the aggressive shoulder pads, the hair style, the way he talks says Romulan to me.
Or section 31
He is part romulan. But mix if many species, including unknown species by the 24th century. At least 6.
The truth is that they (Enterprise writing staff) really had no idea who was going to be at the time they created him. They figured they'd get around to it eventually.
Future guy, with genetic manipulations - it's Data / A Soong descendant.
Interesting... maybe he was trying to prevent the Hobus supernova?
I thought Future Guy was Archer basically setting up a series of events to get himself back to the past.
I'd prefer that he's Section 31's representive/ambassador to Star Fleet.
I think they should do a star trek show about the temporal war following a ship jumping through time similar to sto story
Or maybe they're just . . . Quantum Leaping.
@@BlackHedgehog that's the true end to enterprise
@@BlackHedgehog No, sounds like a rubbish idea... I'd rather they go back in time and recruit Johnathan Archer as a temporal agent and have him travel through time, possibly accompanied by an Emergency Hologram. Now that's a more original idea for a show.
@@ForburyLion You realise I was being sarcastic, right? Everyone has made the joke that Enterprise was just Sam Beckett Quantum Leaping from Quantum Leap because of the lead actors of Enterprise and Quantum Leap being Scott Bakula and what the premise of Quantum Leap is.
@@BlackHedgehog that makes Future Guy Al! It all makes sense now!
Pretty sure he's from the movie UP
Future Guy is Wesley Crusher when he takes over for the Traveler.
I do really like the idea that Man in Glasses is Future Guy. But the only thing that kinda sinks it is that Daniel's says in season 1 that the Suliban are taking orders from someone 300 years before his time, someone who doesn't have the technology to time travel, but enough to project himself and communicate with the past.
That is true, I do remember that
It's a fascinating idea, but I definitely don't want to know the answer. I'm definitely with Lore on the 'less is more' idea. Keeping him as an enigma is far more compelling, and it means that, from a storytelling perspective, he can do more, operate on his own rules etc.
Didn't one of the writers said in an interview that the future guy was Archer himself. Of course he could've been referencing the scene where Archer posed as the future guy to get the Suliban to inadvertently bring him back from the dystopic future that Archer and Daniel got stuck in where Earth did not form the Federation.
Im actually cool with this to be honest. But I also agree the less we know about him the better, Your comparison to the Borg is on point. Also I would argue that part of Garak's appeal was that we knew very little about him, and with what information we did learn about Garak we always had to consider if that information is a lie or not.
Kovich is the best character on Discovery, hopefully they let Cronenberg in on writing some of the story moving forward as well.
Plot Twist: Future Guy is a future incarnation of The Doctor or The Master.
The Master gets my vote
Not possible, that's now a woman ;) and through some very very paradoxes the Doctor universe is now collapsed. Destroyed. Dead. Damn where’s a T.A.R.D.I.S when you need one! To be that Future Guy and rescue more than one series ;(
My headcanon is that Future Guy was from an alternate future and wanted to either destroy that future (FG = Archer) or bring that future into being (FG = someone else). I know it's explained he's from an earlier century than Daniels, which is why he can't properly manifest in his relative past, but I also felt like his reality was unstable, making it extra difficult.
I don't think the MitG from Discovery is him. MitG works in a different way. Besides, if MitG wanted to improve his own time, he wouldn't bother with the NX-01. He'd go back to just before the Burn and fix that first.
Back when they introduced Mike on Breaking Bad he wasn’t given a name for a few episodes, and though he went on to be one of the best characters from both series for me I must admit he was cooler when he was just an unaccountably old hitman.
The good thing about linking these two characters is that it wouldn't revel much. If anything, it would just deepen the mystery as to who, why and what he is. Perhaps is he, was and always will be Section 31?
One thing I liked about Enterprise was how they didn't try to give that ship more advanced tech than the ships that came after it. One thing I've noticed about Discovery is how awesome the tech is and yet that didn't exist in TOS. Then again when you've got a fat budget I guess you can pretty much disregard anything.
but wasn't it said by Daniels that future guy is from ealier in the timeline, somewhere in the 29th century? So the glasses-guy (human as he seems btw) has to be around 200 years old. Assuming this is possible in the 31st century, he would, still, also have had to be this powerplayer and high rank 150+ years ago... or he was just a proxy for the real powerplayer in the background.
All's I know is when David Croneberg is involved things are going to get seriously wierd.I would think Dave who is best known as the CANADIAN HORROR master and one of the last century's greats in the genre has taken a role in STAR TREK to create an unforgettable character who will be around to surprise us for some time.Like his past movies,expect the unexpected and he loves to scare ya when he gets the chance in ways you don't see comming.I think his character is about as SINISTER as they come and his thick glasses give him a very iconic villianary look !!
I definitely wish some Enterprise plot threads would be resolved, but I don't think I need it to be through Kovich. I love that character, and as you say, he probably best serves his purpose remaining mysterious. And he could definitely work with Section 31 and maybe even have been involved in the temporal wars somehow without being that particular Enterprise character.
several stories seem to suggest themselves without necessarily revealing anything about either character. what if glasses guy is a temporally edited version of future guy (or vice versa)? then what if they were at a "philosophical" war with each other. not that one is bad and the other good, but each is willing to let a different set of questionable events unfold for the betterment of the federation (one is ok with an act of genocide the other a galactic war). then characters could choose sides and things are looking horrible until someone realizes there is a choice nobody thought of and suddenly the future is bright but unknown.
Glasses Man is Daniels (ST Discovery series finale).
Shadow Man is Wesley Crusher (ST Prodigy season 2 episode 10)
How does he fit in with Starfleet and why does Admiral Vance give him free rain. And he does seem to know a lot about Georgiou's mirror universe. As to Archer's shadow, I thought he was from the late 27th century, as Daniels said they hadn't perfected the technology to completely be seen. The other question is if time travel is possible why haven't we seen travelers from other centuries?
I wonder if Future Guy is staying within the bounds of the Temporal Accords (albeit heavily bending them) by projecting himself rather than travelling directly to the past. If true it could be a useful metric to determine whether FG is from a pre or post TA time.
No. Future guy had a Romulan silouette. Or maybe it's my mind and it's the same actor who played a Romulan before. The voice.
@troy Ferrington Ahh. I am bad with names. I've seen him in a lot of stuff. He did play characters on Star Trek often. He was also Grayson from Highlander the series.
Pretty sure those glasses are some advanced version of a holorecorder. Probably with a bit of augmented reality mixed in.
I don’t think he was lying when he said they’re jus for cosmetic reason “They make me look smart” I can watch that over and over again
Great idea and great theory! I hope they tie these 2 together now!
I don't know why but I always asumed that future guy was a Romulan
Hmm... I like that one! Mayhap one of the Romulans that are against the Unification?
Thanks. Remember enterprise season one I always suspected future guy was a romulan from the future. I recognised the actors voice from Voyager episodes one as a Borg drone and as a nazi officer in that holodeck two partner with the hirogen
Me likes the idea, since it fits to my own headcanons narrative, that the federation is the result of metatemporal agencies.
Got a headful of theories, how Q, the Borg, Section 31 (why is it called that way?), and at some part vulcan/romulans are linked with each other.
I think that the Vulcans of First Contact had been there for temporal anomalies. Warp Discovering Earthlings had been just "coincidentally" happen to be found during their investigation.
Thinking of that movie, there is something odd about the way the borg attacked federation so "carefully" with just one Cubus at a time, while they reached for havoc in the delta-quadrant.
On the other side it fails to fit to their prime goal to assimilate high advanced civilisations, when they go that deep in their past to quasi eliminate their technological advances completely from whole history.
So this lead to question, why the borg had been timetraveling in the first place, and what their mission could have been.
Had they been used as tools, fooled to initiate the birth of the federation? Or was that a desperate attempt to eliminate the greatest thread to the borgs existence?
H. P. Lovecraft teaches us that for an enigma to remain effective, it must remain enigmatic. This actually derives from our experience of the unconscious which works on us because it can never really be explained. In this case, less is always more.
I recently watched an episode of TNG which could be the backstory of a villain behind the Burn...
Season 2 Pen Pals.
It was right before Q Who on Netflix
It would make sense... The temporal accords is an agreement between the Federation and someone powerful enough to give them a serious fight.... Maybe this is something the temporal accords allows... This also gives a chance for Jonathan Archer and the crew to get a more righteous ending....
What if David Cronenburg is actually from the mirror universe! That might explain how he knows so much about the side effects of dimensional/time travel.
I don't remember the episode but I do recall Daniels saying that the faction that the Suliban were working with was from a time prior to his. Unless Kovich went forward in time he isn't future guy.
Or.. he was really good at hiding his tracks
He's obviously Tom Riker, After watching the Holodeck program so many times he clearly became obsessed with Archer and accidentally became the catalyst that sends Archer on that mission all those years ago.
It makes Kovich(the Man In the Glasses) more Fun/Intresting if he is Future Guy and Section 31. But I will add in another deep cut. So what if Kovich turns out to be a very old version of Gary Seven.
Actually in real life the actor that played "Future Guy" was James Horan. Here is an interview with him at the Star Trek Web Site. He goes on to talk about all the different characters he has played. As soon as you hear his voice you will know for sure!!! www.startrek.com/watch_video/interview-with-james-horan-part-i
I always wanted Future guy to turn out to be Braxton from Voyager, while I wasn’t the biggest Voyager fan it would have further tied Enterprise to later Star Trek time periods.
I like the idea of Future guy being from the Federation, but I don’t like the idea of him being Archer.
Having him be the guy with glasses isn’t a bad idea, but if so I actually want a proper reveal.
I don’t like the idea of leaving things mysterious for too long, hinting at something with out eventually getting a proper reveal is just disappointing. Even more disappointing than what they did with the Borg, the problem with the Borg in Voyager wasn’t that they gave away too much info, it’s that what they gave away wasn’t impressive.
I think daniels identified future guy as comming from the 28th century. Hower, it is quite possible he only relayed his signal through that century.
Give that time *travel* technology is not realy available in Disco season 3, temporal projection might still be feasible.
That he was undone when daniels deleted the federation - and even helped against the Xindi and Vosk - does not make him a part of the federation.
The amount of interbreeding and geopolitical effects makes it extremely unlikely for anyone not to be affected if the federation did not exist 600 prior to his birth.
I hope we learn more about the guy in the glasses, but you're not wrong about ruining him if we learn *too much*. I think he'd be best served (and by extension, so would the audience) if a delicate balance is struck on how much more to reveal. I don't know yet if the writers are up to that, though I do think this show is getting better with time. I guess we'll just have to find out.
I wish this character to be alt universe specific character who has spied on Terrans for another Faction.
Or that at least he is Section 31 or Starfleet Intelligence specific character (like proper M.I.6 or CIA director type). If he WAS Archer then let him be properly a big character reveal and not a minor fall away bit part 🥰.
I would like to think he was the ACTUAL Admiral in charge too 😎
Personally I see the man in glasses as what section 31 strive to be. Watchful, useful, knowledgeable but not above or too distant from the Federation.
It all works as well if they are agents of the same organization. Someone from the Sixties show should be said to be their boss. But in ambiguous way. So you don't know if it's a clue or a red herring.
In the show, it's said though that Future Guy is from a time before Daniels (who is before the current Discovery Season). I think shoehorning glasses guy into future guy would be too contrived.
They could have been wrong about his lineage.. I don’t want him to be the guy though
this theory would require that Kurtzman have any real knowledge of ST Enterprise...which is not the case.
I’m still waiting for archer to show up. I’m sure Scott Baku law would love to reprise the role
I liked the department of temporal investigations reveal so much better for the backstory of future guy. Makes more sense. Well everything did in that novel. I lived it. Watching the clock. DTI
In terms of evidence, you could make the same argument that Future Guy is - or is connected to - Gary Seven from the Original Series episode “Assignment: Earth”. All he needs is a cat... 😎
I'm right there with you on what your hopes are. Ruining the mystique of him would ruin the character. Although, I would be ok with an entire series called...I don't know, maybe Section 31 that provides the background for glasses guy. It would be much more fun to show how he got there than to tell how he got there.
Sure he could be, but there's just as much evidence to indicate that he's Kahless the unforgettable, i.e. none whatsoever.
Pretty much.
Is it possible that captain Saru is the man from the future? Given all the ability of changing the DNA at will. Even so as to the point of helping/hurting the federation at a point in time. His people clearly know the back on doings in the dark universe. Perhaps Saru is agent of shorts. He is still changing
Imagine if the "Man in the Glasses" was actually Brick Top from Snatch.
That idea makes me laugh way more should.
You know, it's really too bad that the dude from the Kelvin Universe that time travelled in the Prime Universe didn't also share the equation that Scotty developed. You know, the one that renders space ships and Star Fleet obsolete by allowing everyone to just beam anywhere they want to go in the galaxy. 31st century Star Fleet could have really benefited from that.
It could be really cool to pick up Enterprise and tie together some lose threads from previously ST shows and now in a different time reveal what his interfering with Archer was all about and maybe even revealing that he just made Daniels think he would be from the past for some reason. But this would require a level of knowledge of the past shows the Discovery writers have shown they don't possess.
Maybe look for STO and the Iconian War, they managed to use some lose ends from episodes all over Trek history and explain them as the Iconians interfering from the shadows and they managed to do that without really contradicting anything that came prior at least not as open as Discovery does often. That story Arc was really really good prepared and researched storywise in my opinion. So it is possible and can indeed touch the Heart of a Fan like me who has seen all the shows and movies. But only IF IT IS DONE CAREFULLY AND RIGHT.
Discovery on the other hand seems to lack that kind of background knowledge of what came previously or they would have avoided many of the things even a casual treky realizes "wait that is too early for that technology" or "wait a ship like the Enterprise or the Discovery can never carry so many shuttles they use in the S2 finale" or at least use one or two sentences in Dialoge to explain away the most obvious plot problems like "why the hell wasn't the Sporedrive recreated as Dilithium became instable?" Wasn't it supposed to be an Federation only developed tech so they should have the knowledge... And if we look at how well stamets is doing it wouldn't even be that much of a moral issue to allow that one single augmentation for volunteers so they can get pilotes to use the sporedrive to safe the federation and bring aid to their people and even the other factions...
It could have been explained away so easy by just one sentence "we found the tech of an ancient race, we are not able to recreate it but we can at least activate it" and voila the reason why its not used in the future by to bring Voyager home is that Discovery together with that special piece of tech (which couldn't be recreated like the Stargate in well, Stargate) must have gone lost sometimes in-between. Or tell us that the Sporenetwork is a plane of existence Stamets and his Friend discovered by accident and is just one of a infinite number of subspace layers and that Starfleet tried but could not get a connection to that layer so the Discovery remains the only ship which can by coincidence use that system. Or give even Stamets himself a special ability like in that theory where Stamets is the traveler and the Sporedrive works only because of him (not because of the tardigrade nor because of the tardigrade DNA but because he wanted and manipulated the reality with his will) maybe even make him partly a Q but his abilities just barely awaking so not even the Q realized just now. Would both even be a nice homage to TNG episodes.
It is sooo easy just one short conversation to silence all the fans out there complaining but insted their solution after their promise to correct that problem was "oh we will never talk about it again and its top secret now, michael will be erased from all records..." and yet in S3 the vulcans still know exactly who she is. They can't even stay true to their own established canon. Sad just sad.
It seems like they are trying to do that a little bit.
@@LoreReloaded indeed S3 is pretty good until now. I just hope they will explain the burn in a well thought out way that excludes making it all the fault of Michael or the Discovery as well as if possible tie in some older Trek story. And they should give back the idealism to the federation and StarTrek as a whole. :)
I really hope he is future guy so you can make more videos for me to watch while im at work
Well, no. Future Guy is specifically described as being from centuries before Daniels’s time. He communicates through time because he doesn’t have the technology to travel through time, like the future Federation. It’d be a cute connection, but I can’t see it working,
Here's one for you Lore: Guy in the glasses, when explaining why people from parallel universes die from time travel, used a throwaway line to the effect of the other officer was from a parallel universe created by a time incursion of a Romulan mining vessel.
Boom, right there. That throw away line codifes the J.J. Abrams as a parallel universe as canon. While strongly implied in Picard, I didn't see anything confirming it. Now it is. Suck it NMST denialists!
Ooooo nice speculation. I’d really like future guy mystery to be solved
HOW MANY years are between the shows, in-Cannon?
I agree, the less we know the better for this character. It's a little like the G-Man from Half Life. He plays an important role but we never know to what extent exactly .
I kind of liked G man, even if he was using me as a tool. Although, I also came to like Durandal from the Marathon trilogy who was simarly using me as a tool.
He's back next season.
God....if it is Lorca, he is the most evil SOB EVER in the prime universe! God help us all...Q would be laughing about this one, specially if Lorca made a bet with Q 😳😳
Hint at it but never confim 100% keep us guessing
he can't confirm 100% cause he's just the lore master master of his lore not the reality of star trek in cbs's eye's let alone the writers of enterprise
I kinda want him to be future guy but still not explained. As in we don't know his exact motives means, agenda or allies so he still remains a mistery.
is glasses-man a real human? i thought someone on the enterprised called him an AI in a conversation..i don't know if i heard it correctly but it didn't seem to wild if it was the future and the holographic doctor existed centuries ago..i just figured if he's an ai with the federation then he's still basically a person just with an odd background trait...but maybe i imagined it all which would make the plot in my own mind more bizarre than it was meant to be :-)
I think this is going to be an open question without some definative additions to alpha cannon. In Enterprise, it is noted that there are many factions in the temporal cold war and heavily implied that we only see a few of them. So, future guy could be the guy with glasses, from the same faction as the guy with glasses, from a different faction with aligning interests, or from competing factions and the crews, and by extension the audience, are not in a position to see the wider picture. This is the biggest problem with answering this question. All we have to go on are unreliable narrarators.
The guy with glasses and future guy are both largely unknown entites with questionable motivations and no way to verify the truth outside of the immediate circumstances. Daniels seems to have positive, or at least benign, motivations towards starfleet and the enterprise crew but, he does not give much information and we do not know what he is holding back.
There is another possibility here to. What if future guy, the man with glasses, and Daniels are all working for Starfleet but different factions within it. Lets assume Daniels is who he says he is and a time bureau agent. Basically a time cop. The man with glasses could be Starfleet intelligence. And future guy could be from a future iteration of section 31. All three of these groups would have differing goals, methods, means, operational requirements, designs, and levels of ruthlessness. In a way, this seems to make the most sense.
Ok, wait! Netflix ratings include “nudity, language, and gore!” This is on ALL Enterprise and DS:9 episodes! How and why?!
😂😂😂
What if Starfleet as a whole was but a facade for Section 31?
what if the man in glasses, future guy and Archer are somehow the same person?
further what if Archer Is/Was a member of Section 31 well before he Assumed a Rank in Starfleet?
along that thought what if all of the crew of NX01 Enterprise are all members of Section 31?
I always thought “Future Guy” was a Romulan, sometimes the distorted image looked like it had a bowl cut and pointed ears.
i want to believe!
Maybe he is a Q who was kicked out of the continuum with all that knowledge but was forbidden to tell them he was a Q. Or maybe he was one of the last commander of the temporal time war.
I do not think future guy is Kovich.
I think he is the Envoy.
If STO is canon, and it is, then the Envoy is Noye.
The leader in the Battle Of Procyon V, and the Captain of the Annorax, the opposing Flagship, whom is assisting the Sphere Builders in that battle.
Their agreement to join the fight during Enterprise is the first beginnings of that battle.
The Nakuhl is another enemy in that, which we saw introduced in Enterprise, and there are another enemy; the Vorgons, still in pursuit of the Tox Uthat, and the Mirror Universe's Admiral Leeta.
In fact, you could say that Future Guy died, because the Battle Of Procyon V's outcome was shifting beyond what allowed him to exist.
In fairness the temporal Cold War ended before the burn which was 125 years before Discovery season 3. He'd need to be at least 145 years old
I don't think they are the same guy. Future guy seems far more measured in his words and actions. He is trying to help what we perceive as the goods, ultimately win. Man in the glasses is very calculating and even conniving. He is working an angle, but what is the angle?
No but I do believe he was related to Archer because according to the producers and people from the set it was supposed to be Archer but I do believe he may be related related to him somehow
I don't know guys, but I think this is just David Cronenberg, acting as a top secret guy, who wants everybody to degenerate into strange creatures like we've seen in all of his movies. Still love him tho!
I don't have a strong opinion but I think it would be good if future guy and glasses guy have a connection in goals. They work to the same goals but are not the same person.
Interesting idea ... though I think it's a little too clever for Discovery to include and explain in a manner that could make sense to newer Kurtzman era fans.
Future guy was definitely against archer and the future
I'll do you one Fan theory better! Booker is actually Discoverys' version of Gary 7!
I love this theory!!!
That or he's supposed to play a much older version of Archer we all know Archer got thrown into the future somehow never came back how or why we don't know
From what I understood, Future Guy was from a time period less advanced than Daniels, so from before the 31st century, because he couldn’t manifest himself yet Daniels could. I think that very reason means future guy cannot be Kovich 🙂
Unless.. they were lying and fooled then
@@LoreReloaded didn’t future guy try to get people to steal Daniels’ future tech so he could fully manifest in the past?
Which would mean his tech was less advanced than Daniels and so was from Daniels’ past
Which lead to Archer and the suliban teaming up to stop the Big bad who had destroyed earths history.. kinda of.. convenient.. that this brought them together.. don't you think? Almost like.. it was planned..
Is there not something called "Credits" in those episodes credits? which contains names of those.., I dunno., maybe like., acting in the related episodes? I'm not so engrossed by this whole mystery to even bother looking it up myself, but hey - someone really losing sleep over it, should have a go at it and be the smart one.
I think he's Gray Man from Half-life.
Everyone knows the guy in the glasses is the nostalgia critic, oh wait.... Nostalgia == past, Past Guy... Since we are in the future now that means he must be the future guy!
He dose appear to both be wearing suites but makes me think of half life guy in a suite
They ought to keep him a mystery man. We don't need to know every freakin' piece of the puzzle. Life without mystery is blah.
At first they hinted that future guy from enterprise was a romulan.
now i know what Johnathon Frakes meant when he said * season 3 of star trek discovery will end on a cliff hangar episode
that will surprise everyone * now we know... future guy / guy with glasses are one and the same but the real secret is that he
is actually a * SPHERE BUILDER * in disguise ! think about it what is the best possible scenario for keeping an eye on the
federation whilst manipulating everything and everyone around him to follow a plan that only he knows how it will actually
conclude ! it is also the best possible place to be in to completely destroy everything before they can stop him too !. as batman,
and numerous other historical figures have mentioned that often spoken quote * a league united cannot be broken, but a league
divided will fall * ... it worked well against the ancient TROJANS with the wooden horse being the ultimate weapon against them
so why not place a sphere builder within the federation in case someone finds out the truth about the burn and who caused it this
allows this hidden character to either again manipulate or eliminate this person quietly or as noisily as they want at any time.!.
So i am calling shot gun on this one... glasses man / future man is a hidden in disguise * SPHERE BUILDER !
I think the writers stated that Future Guy IS Archer. So unless they decided to change that idea?
They won’t have any say in that. Kluzman and company will just steal it and twist it so that you’ll hate it more than ever. One thing these people have proven is that they can screwup a sure thing.