Great job mentioning the Armenian genocide. Im an Armenian drummer. Armand Zildjian survived the genocide but ended up growing the already existent Zildjian Co in modern day Turkey, which used to be Armenia. (Zildjian is a western armenian last name) The Turks perpetrated the genocide of 1915 and the collapse of the ottoman empire helped Zildjian spread to N America.
Good day Bart! I realize this podcast is over a year old, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents. For over 45 years I was pretty strict to staying with Zildjian. Only over the past 5 years have I started experimenting with other brands and models. First I bought a pair of Paiste formula 602 Sound edge hats and two crashes of the same line from Terry from Bonzoleum, and they were all circa 73’ but in mint condition. The hats I bought from Terry blew me away. They became my “go to” hats for most every type of music. Then I watched Jared Falk’s video of him touring Paiste and since TH-cam came out I’ve never known there was a difference as to Paiste’s approach to making cymbals versus most all other brands. In addition to that I started realizing how many professional drummers use Paiste. Especially Stewart Copeland and his 13” signature series hats or John Bonham’s ride during Stairway to Heaven . I’ve always wanted that exact same sound. So anyway, I am so happy I just found this podcast, as I just ordered about $4K of Paiste Cymbals. I still love Zildjian and I have quite a few Sabian cymbals as well. Do you have a podcast where you talk about what drums & cymbals you prefer as a favorite? If so I’d love to listen to it!
Zildjian did GREAT B8 with the Amir line. Sounded very Paiste like. Maybe most similar to the 505. Not sure why they fizzled. I saw Cozy Powell destroy a 2oo2 crash it was a 20 or 22 inch. It was an ELP concert in like 1986. I could hear it and see it from the 2nd row. It got worse over the night. His sticks were huge. One got tossed out to audience. Yamaha stick. 3S in size.
Sabian APX was their truly serious attempt to market a professional line of B8 cymbals. I don't think they were hammered enough and don't really sound different than their other B8 lines. In my opinion the B8s they put out, I believe it was around the early 2000s were the best, they were lathed top and bottom instead of the half-assed top lathing only they have been doing for some time now. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Sabian B8 cymbals, the B8 18" thin crash is pretty darn close in ways to a 18" Paiste 505 crash if it had much more hammering. All that hammering is hand work and time consuming, I get it. They get good results and keep their margins down by selling volume to young drummers playing loud music that don't need those nuances in sound and in that way, the target isn't that different than the target of Paiste Rude cymbals but Sabian B8 cymbals are drastically less expensive.
I did not realize that it was a common misconception that Paistes cracked. I had an 18in 602 on my first drum set. It was probably from the 60s or 70s. And I did not have proper technique yet so I would wail on it and it broke. The amazing thing is it was a medium thin to medium-weight cymbal without the proper nylon washer or possibly even the felt and it lasted me almost a year playing very hard modern rock music in the early 2010s. Another point of irony in my story is that the other symbol I had in my first drums that was a pair of 13in 50s Zildjian hi-hats. There were Cracks around the whole area but other than that they were fine. But I always noticed it did not sound as good from the beginning.
They don’t roll the blanks at the company. The sheets are prerolled in large blanks and delivered to the plant. Even the top lines. So I wouldn’t say that the labour is so much greater at Paiste, cause the rolling of each blank is non existent at the plant.
I think some clarity needs to be brought up- a great podcast- each cymbal company has it's stamped sheet cymbals, the computer hammered cymbals, and hammered by hand cymbals. Garza gets a little carried away at times...that's ok.
Paiste = "Pie-Steh" Toomas = "Tourmas" with no hard/roll on the r. In all of Europe (as well as Asia) it's standard for most people to speak at least 3 languages (keel in Eesti) 🇪🇪💙🖤🤍
@@Ewok009 yeah, sorry mate, you got the second half wrong. I'll try another way to describe it . "Paste - Eh" It's an Estonian name so it's impossible for it to be "Ee"
Great job mentioning the Armenian genocide. Im an Armenian drummer. Armand Zildjian survived the genocide but ended up growing the already existent Zildjian Co in modern day Turkey, which used to be Armenia. (Zildjian is a western armenian last name) The Turks perpetrated the genocide of 1915 and the collapse of the ottoman empire helped Zildjian spread to N America.
Thank you so much Dan for being such a great curator!!!
Amazing job. Thank you so much. Been playing Paiste for 40 years. Never knew the history
Good day Bart!
I realize this podcast is over a year old, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents. For over 45 years I was pretty strict to staying with Zildjian. Only over the past 5 years have I started experimenting with other brands and models. First I bought a pair of Paiste formula 602 Sound edge hats and two crashes of the same line from Terry from Bonzoleum, and they were all circa 73’ but in mint condition. The hats I bought from Terry blew me away. They became my “go to” hats for most every type of music. Then I watched Jared Falk’s video of him touring Paiste and since TH-cam came out I’ve never known there was a difference as to Paiste’s approach to making cymbals versus most all other brands. In addition to that I started realizing how many professional drummers use Paiste. Especially Stewart Copeland and his 13” signature series hats or John Bonham’s ride during Stairway to Heaven . I’ve always wanted that exact same sound. So anyway, I am so happy I just found this podcast, as I just ordered about $4K of Paiste Cymbals. I still love Zildjian and I have quite a few Sabian cymbals as well. Do you have a podcast where you talk about what drums & cymbals you prefer as a favorite? If so I’d love to listen to it!
As a new convert to Pastie’s this was awesome. Find an away. Great job guys
Btw: Sabian offered, B8, B8PRO and PRO all at the same time. PRO was their top B8.
Great couple of Podcasts - very enjoyable and informative!
I'm a Vintage A Zildjian guy, but this was great!!
This is a great podcast. It’s specialized and detailed podcasts like yours that shows the nice side of the internet.
Keep up the good work.
Zildjian did GREAT B8 with the Amir line. Sounded very Paiste like. Maybe most similar to the 505. Not sure why they fizzled.
I saw Cozy Powell destroy a 2oo2 crash it was a 20 or 22 inch. It was an ELP concert in like 1986. I could hear it and see it from the 2nd row. It got worse over the night. His sticks were huge. One got tossed out to audience. Yamaha stick. 3S in size.
A friend of mine has a pair of Scimitar bronze rock hi hats that are surprisingly good as well.
I really love your instrument restoration videos!
I have 404 hats and a 404 ride. Very nice cymbals both brown label. Just ordered a 505 green label ride with rivets 😋
Sabian APX was their truly serious attempt to market a professional line of B8 cymbals. I don't think they were hammered enough and don't really sound different than their other B8 lines. In my opinion the B8s they put out, I believe it was around the early 2000s were the best, they were lathed top and bottom instead of the half-assed top lathing only they have been doing for some time now. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Sabian B8 cymbals, the B8 18" thin crash is pretty darn close in ways to a 18" Paiste 505 crash if it had much more hammering. All that hammering is hand work and time consuming, I get it. They get good results and keep their margins down by selling volume to young drummers playing loud music that don't need those nuances in sound and in that way, the target isn't that different than the target of Paiste Rude cymbals but Sabian B8 cymbals are drastically less expensive.
😎👍💗🇨🇭🔥🎼🔊)) PAISTE!!!
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The movie idea is brilliant.. but not a documentary.. more like a biography .. it would be awesome!
That would be awesome!
I did not realize that it was a common misconception that Paistes cracked. I had an 18in 602 on my first drum set. It was probably from the 60s or 70s. And I did not have proper technique yet so I would wail on it and it broke. The amazing thing is it was a medium thin to medium-weight cymbal without the proper nylon washer or possibly even the felt and it lasted me almost a year playing very hard modern rock music in the early 2010s. Another point of irony in my story is that the other symbol I had in my first drums that was a pair of 13in 50s Zildjian hi-hats. There were Cracks around the whole area but other than that they were fine. But I always noticed it did not sound as good from the beginning.
Thanks for watching - it is interesting how cymbals differ so much and you are right about experience and playing style being a big factor
They don’t roll the blanks at the company. The sheets are prerolled in large blanks and delivered to the plant. Even the top lines. So I wouldn’t say that the labour is so much greater at Paiste, cause the rolling of each blank is non existent at the plant.
the guy has no idea about the easy and well known technical aspects of rolling metal
I think some clarity needs to be brought up- a great podcast- each cymbal company has it's stamped sheet cymbals, the computer hammered cymbals, and hammered by hand cymbals. Garza gets a little carried away at times...that's ok.
why is it so typical of paistis to have weak bells?
They don't
Paiste = "Pie-Steh"
Toomas = "Tourmas" with no hard/roll on the r.
In all of Europe (as well as Asia) it's standard for most people to speak at least 3 languages (keel in Eesti)
🇪🇪💙🖤🤍
'Payy - stee'
@@Ewok009 yeah, sorry mate, you got the second half wrong.
I'll try another way to describe it .
"Paste - Eh"
It's an Estonian name so it's impossible for it to be "Ee"