My great grandfather nearly fell victim to the program after suffering a head shrapnell wound while working as slave laborer. He was put into a mental asylum where a nurse tipped off the family and they were able to get him released. He luckily recovered almost perfectly and I have great memories of him.
My grandfather told me the story of how his mother was euthanized because she had some mental illness (my best guess would be depression). That was when the German army was already retreating, so around 1944/45 He was around seven at the time.
As someone who grew up in the US state of California, it's been devastating to learn about how the Nazis got their blueprint for sterilizing people who were unpopular at the time directly from California. We were raised understanding that our state grew a huge percentage of fruit and vegetables eaten in the US and was known for being very progressive compared to the rest of the US, campaigning for human rights etc - and yet it isn't shared very widely that we used to be terrible, really terrible, only about 100 years ago.
Just read that even though Willy Wonka was filmed in Germany, only one of the actors playing Oompa Loompas was German, the majority of them weren't even European. Because there weren't enough Europeans (of the right age) with dwarfism left alive to cast.
Than you for telling this in a factual manner, leaving out nothing for the sake of making it easier to hear but instead, rightly, reporting on history with gravitas.
i'm from germany and a couple of years ago i went into inpatient treatment in a mental hospital, and the first thing you saw when you entered the premises was a memorial for all the people that died there due to NS ideology. one thing that i found especially infuriating was the fact that the hospital didn't stop killing people they deemed inferior until 1947. the fact that they were able to continue this horrible practice even though hitler was long dead is chilling to think about.
Yes. It is. I have some mental issues due to abuse and mother's drinking when pregnant and it chills me to think that less than 80 years ago they could legally murder the mentally-ill in psychiatric hospitals in Germany and Reich-held countries. RIP TO all the innocent victims of this evil, evil programme.
Unfortunately if you look at statistics of people with learning disabilities, intellectual disabilities, mental disabilities etc. You will see that statistically people who are disabled die younger and are treated less effectively for unrelated illness :(
@@harrietharlow9929 In many places of the US, calling for a wellness check can result in the troubled individual being shot dead by cops for just not behaving normally
@@terryenby2304 I know and that's awful. We pretend to be a civilized nation, but our treatment of minorities, the disabled and mentally-ill gives that whole fable the lie. I get so mad when I hear that a mentally ill person has been shot and killed by cops--ditto for minorities, like George Floyd, though I'm aware he had his airway constricted by Derek Chauvin and not shot. I'm not saying that Mr. Floyd was an angel, but in the situation in which he was murdered, he was already handcuffed/subdued. That should have been sufficient for Mr. Chauvin, but instead of just getting Mr. Floyd to his feet and putting him in the squad car, the erstwhile cop decided to kneel on Mr. Floyd's neck. Even when, Mr. Floyd indicated that he couldn't breathe Mr. Chauvin persisted until Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation. I've heard stories of similar things when cops deal with mentally ill/disabled people. This tells you how deficient the training for dealing with the public--minorities andnmentally-ill individualsiincluded-- in other words, it appears to be virtually non-existent.
Thank you to bringing attention to this. My great-aunt was murdered as a young girl, because she had autism. No official diagnosis, but that's my educated guess based on my grandmother's description of her. Talking about her sister was one of the few times I ever saw my grandmother cry.
You should just be happy your grandmother made it through the war. Maybe it's possible your great aunt needed constant care and really was life unworthy of life. As bad as it is there are millions of people around the world that would be better off if there were programs still like this in existence. People that can't care for themselves are treated horribly in nursing homes or mental health facilities.
@@jeffreyval9665 I worked in a nursing home here in germany. Its more an organization in charge of programs and nursing homes called "Lebenshilfe" roughly translated "Livehelp" or "helping to live". I worked with severe cases of disabled men and women. All i can say that even if theyre in dire need of help 99% of them were happy and could still enjoy live. I can accept your statement for the 1% that live in constant pain and even with care and medication theres much more pain than joy in their lives. But i still have to oppose your view because my experience taught me to seek out ways to help those people live a joyful and happy live.
Maybe that's how it is in Germany but in the U.S. people living in nursing homes or psychiatric institutions are treated pretty bad. If you don't have the money to go to some upscale place your pretty much ignored and treated like your a burden on the people that work there. Younger people have no respect for their elders.
As an autistic, here’s some history: Hans Asperger was one of those doctors who sent disabled people specifically autistic people to eugenic hospitals. If that last name sounds familiar, it’s because those who Hans Asperger diagnosed as Aspergers were sent them to concentration camps to be slaves by the doctor. And those Hans Asperger diagnosed as Autistic were killed through eugenics after he sent them to Austria’s eugenics hospital. 800 autistic children died due to Hans Asperger. That is why the Aspergers is not a diagnosis anymore and it’s become a bit of a slur in recent years. And yes, Hans Asperger was a Hitler supporter.
As the mother to an autistic child who was originally diagnosed Asperger's, thank you for sharing. I'm amazed I never heard that and am glad to have learned this crucial info
@@OutlawSpaceWizard nope, nor has it ever been. Asperger's was renamed to Autism Spectrum Disorder because it is part of the higher-functioning end of the greater Autism Spectrum.
Western academics nearly universally supported eugenics at the time. Impressed to see Simon's research folks got this right; it's generally glossed over by the victors when this story is told.
@@testboga5991 it was oddly popular , but then so was Hitler. most know this now as it was the first time " America first " was used was by Nazi's in the USA.
@@testboga5991 it isn't bs eugenics was created by an english psychiatrist named Francis Gaulton, his nasty assumptions got a lot of people killed, only a coward kills the weak.
Eugenics never had close to universal support in academic circles or among the general public. It was pretty clear by the end of the 1920s that the theories promoted by the movement were not scientifically valid. Pope Pius XI condemned “negative eugenics” in 1930. Until the Holocaust, jokes were told at the expense of proponents, derision being the most common reaction as support for eugenics dwindled. Even in Nazi Germany, words whispered in restaurants imagined Hitler sterilizing himself as demanded by his own laws targeting insanity.
Philosophy evolves over time and preceeds political and cultural changes. Following WW2, eugenecists realized the whole '6 million dead' was horrible branding. If you go to their own writing and don't believe anybody speaking on the matter including myself - they change from 'eugenics' to 'environmentalism ' to achieve the same ends. It's the same philosophy just with different branding.
@CRAM MARC War Against The Weak is a fantastic book I definitely recommend, read it a few years ago so I’m a bit rusty on the details but it’s very well written and the research is meticulous
Simon forgot a minute detail. In 1952, because of Operation Paperclip (Werner von Braun) a general amnesty was announced that resulted in the fact that people convicted for their role in T4 were released from prison and lived out their life in freedom. On of those people was Irmgard Huber from Hadamar.
@Vercingetorix Not as much as you would, when Julius is around (Your screen name not only refers to a brand of pocket knives, but also the King of the Gauls, defeated by Julius Ceasar at the Battle of Alesia) But seriously. I just happened to have taken a closer look into this subject more than a decade ago, and thought this subject not to be widely known. I was surprised as to find Eugenics (supported by President Coolidge) and even an Italian scientist (with a study that the shape of one's skull could determine if you were criminal or not) at its base. With the way the US is sliding down that slippery slope into facism, how long will it take for these ideas to come to the foreground again, now would it?
@Vercingetorix Julius beat him at death too. Being stabbed to death by a number of his fellow senators on the steps of the Senate. They wrote a play about it. But Ole Juul was a character for sure. You would have loved him. Your political views seem to match.
@Vercingetorix If you call today's American politics communism, then you obviously do not know what that is, my friend. Go ask a Cuban refugee. In medicines you could have a point. Those cost a fortune both in the US and Cuba. But who supports that policy. The GOP, remember, Brandon wants to lower the cost of prescription drugs. So are Reps Commies? Facism is not all that fun it claims to be.
@Vercingetorix I think the man had cojones. He was once kidnapped by pirates and ditctated the terms of the ransom himself, because he thought the pirates asked not enough. Later he took a fleet, hunted down those same pirates and crusified them (as he had promised them). A man true to his word. He declared himself emperor, over the wish of the Senate. Yeah, I am getting a better picture of your political wish now. But how do you see yourself in that new fascist US that you would gladly welcome? Because facism turns nasty quite quick (a kind of Panem from the Hunger Gamers books (not the movies)).
I'm currently reading a book about forced sterilization in the US, specifically in Virginia, where I live. I've been hoping for a video similar to this one for a while! Thank you for all the info!
Eugenics was very widely spread at the 20's and 30's. What is actually interesting that it also transcended ideologies and beliefs, with even some religious leaders of the time endorsing them.
That's pretty interesting. I have hydrocephalus (or hydrocephaly as written there) and I've worked in McLean, VA for two summers and wandered around the holocaust museum where I swear I've seen photos of a hydrocephalus brain cut in half...this suggests my memory (the last time I was in VA was in 2014) was maybe right.
I remember learning about this in school (German history education tends to be very... enthusiastic about discussing how terrible the Nazis were). As the diagram at 4:42 shows, they were very particular about purity and percentages of race. If I remember correctly, near the end of the war they were at the point where they even killed "Quaterjews", so those with one Jewish grandparent. My father is from a Jewish family, so I'd have likely been considered a "Halfjew" and killed before that. It's quite a haunting thought.
agreed. not trying to be insensitve, but i m even quite chilled about living there as a second class german. horrible times to live in germany at that time all things considered...
I remember watching a movie about that secret conference held by those Nazi figureheads last November talking about that same thing and can't for the life of me remember what it was called. EDIT: Found the movie, it was called "Conspiracy"
@@casoclashomega The film is about the Wannsee meeting in January 1942 in which various Nazi leaders met in order to discuss the implementation of the Final Solution. We have the minutes of the meeting; it is chilling to read to say the least.
@@maxmustermann369 any suspicion of opposing the regime could get you killed and if that didn't then by the end of the war you could still be drafted to fight americans even if you were a child or elder
My friend has Huntington's disease. She has watched it run it's course through 3 generations of her family. Watching it take out 16 members so far. Including 2 of her siblings. She decided when we were 10 or so, she would never have kids. Her branch would end. Many others in her family have made the same choice. I said, "at least you got a chance at life." She didn't even miss a beat, "you haven't stood witness." I'm terrified to lose her. Even worse. I am terrified to stand witness.
@@trishalilly2924 There are so many wonderful people who have obstacles in their lives that they know they'll face. The strength they possess is inspiring. The internet can be a way for good people to make positive changes that touch several lives. We all have to be dedicated to keeping a positive outlook on life. People who make it their mission to spread misery aren't worth our time. Peace everyone!!😇💞
I remember studying this in history, one of the posters used was along the lines of 'This person is causing your taxes to go up.' or 'This person is another mouth to feed.'
In 1925 a city near me heard an application for a law to be passed making it illegal for those "not normal" to appear on the public streets. It didn't happen, but it demonstrates the kind of thinking that some people had at that time, and which the Nazis carried to its extreme conclusion.
What is even scarier is this is the sort of ideas used against transgender people many places to this day A small group of people still facing forced sterilisation many places Eugenics still live on
@@M0rshu64 I'm sorry you are so miss informed but there actually is But hey there exists people that will deny holocaust still to Cause it doesn't fit their world view In Europe Denmark was only the 2nd country to not do so in 2014 Finland is a country that still does it
This was probably the most disturbing thing I've heard. That murder of that 5 month old boy was especially disturbing to me. As a treated hydrosephalic it's not lost on me that if I had been born during this time I'd probably have been murdered.
Yeah. I remember this one miniseries about the Charité, that famous Berlin hospital (which still exists to this day). It began in the early 20th century, with things such as tuberculosis and an appendectomy. Which, at the time, was still a pretty new surgery, and they showed their patient to medical students, telling them (and the patient, who was conscious, as this was before the operation), that she had only a 20 per cent chance of survival. She made it, though. And in N.S. times, one female doctor of the Charité had a child with hydrocephalus. She and her husband, also a physician, secretly drained the excess fluid several times, using syringes. Detection would have been a death sentence at least for the child, but probably for all three of them. But the child survived, albeit with a minor disability. (I think they couldn't always give them a treatment when they would have needed, and anyway, this is not treatment as we know it today, but was hightly experimental at the time.)
1:40 - Chapter 1 - Early 20th century 3:35 - Chapter 2 - Law for the prevention of the hereditarily diseased offspring 5:15 - Chapter 3 - The 1st 6:40 - Chapter 4 - Life unworthy of life 9:00 - Chapter 5 - Disabled adults 10:40 - Chapter 6 - Protest 13:45 - Chapter 7 - The trials
Hi, honestly & I am _not_ being a troll. When I ask, how long did _that_ take you to write? Such a nice thing to do for a bunch of strangers on the internet. Hold on.... wait just a minute.... unless... you?... are you... a... a.... a _teacher?_ 😲 (or something?) 😂😂😂
@@Digitalhunny Meh, usually it depend on the channel: for "Into the Shadows", there is roughly 8-10 chapters and i write the timescodes when the title card disappear as i watch the video. For the other channels (minus Brain Blaze), i estimate there is 6 chapters and do the same (write timecodes as i watch) but i adjust when proven wrong. PS: As i'm alone and have quite the routineful life, watching the Whistler video and doing table of contents doesn't take me that much time...
@@ignitionfrn2223 YOU have gotten yourself a new sub my friend. _Just_ in case you ever start making content. TBH I'd LOVE to see what you'd create for the platform. Just from your original post & what you replied to me here. You're _definitely_ unique, intelligent & thoughtful. Thank for for what you do down here in the comment sections. You really are great & thanks for doing what you do.💕
Member of my grandmothers family was a victim of the T4 program. She told me, you could talk normal with him, but he was a bit of slow when it comes to learning things. He was in Hadamar. A few weeks after they started with this, they got the message, that he died of a disease and was cremated. I watched a documentary a few years ago about it, they even added children they considered problematic to the list. Like one case, were a child in an orphanage stole some food, because he was hungry. The Nazi were very lose with the definition, what they considered a unworthy life, even if your were German. And the indoctrination started even in schoolbooks. One example is from math, were children got numbers, how much the state need to pay for someone in a asylum and how many "healthy" children could be raised with that money.
Thank you for talking about the genocide of disabled people that occurred in the Holocaust; while the focus is usually (justifiably) on the senseless slaughter of Jews, that’s a double-edged sword in that it sidelines the other victim groups of the Nazi’s genocide campaign, such as the Roma and Sinti, disabled and neurodivergent people, LGBTQ+ people, people of colour, political dissidents, Slavs, Poles, Czechs, Soviet POWs, and many other groups. So as someone who is neurodivergent and would likely have been killed in _Aktion T4_ had I been alive during the Nazis’ reign of terror, I deeply appreciate the highlighting of that program, especially by such a prominent TH-camr as yourself. Thank you!
This should be also mentioned together with Jews on the Holocaust Day, of it can be called Day of Remembrance of victims of nazism/fashism as we can to really include all victims. In addition to all that he and you mentioned here, strangely there is no word about the most by numbers killed people and nations and that are Slavic nations? The victims from Slavic nations are actually the most numerous from all victim groups and nobody mentions them (in the western part of the Europa).
@@ПредрагКосанчић I 1000% agree; the Slavic victims absolutely deserve to be remembered too, and should also be mentioned more often. All of the victim groups of the Nazis should. Soviet POWs, Slavs, Czechs, Poles, the groups I listed in my initial comment, and any that may have slipped my mind as I write this, _all_ of them, should be remembered together with the Jews on our memorial days, and named, not just summarised as an “and millions of other victims” tacked onto “6 million Jews”. The Jews should go first, given they were the primary victims, but every other group the Nazis persecuted and slaughtered should be named alongside them afterwards. I’ll endeavour to do so in future when talking about the Holocaust and its victims going forward. Thank you for your reply. (I have also amended my initial comment to reflect your words. Once again, thanks.)
@al saunders neurodivergent means to have autism, adhd, or other stigmatized’ ‘conditions’ that have an effect on cognitive function (meaning neurodivergent people think and process things differently).
The Holocaust, by definition, didn't apply to gentiles. However, the Nazis did indeed systematically pursue and murder other minorities, as this mini-documentary rightly points out. It is deeply unfortunate that the world's knowledge of the atrocities of WW2 seems limited to the Final Solution.
We've all heard of the eugenics programs and the atrocities of them...but to hear specifics such as names and ages of victims rather than the broad overview we receive in schools or documentaries....jesus christ.
If you do a video on eugenics in the US, would you please include the involuntary sterilization of Native American women who weren't told it was being done. I think it continued into the 1970s.
@@sadwingsraging3044 No. If you would re-read the original post, I said include them, not talk only about them. I don't have any more time to discuss this issue.
T4 and the Holocaust never really sank in until one day it dawned on me that many of my dearest friends and I would’ve been killed without a second thought. (I’m legally blind and have friends of all sorts of “disabilities”.) Ever since it’s been a lot more important to me. And, something that I want people to know of more
As a kid, I was told by my Slavic Mom and her family that Hitler would've offed me for... epilepsy. I'm fully functional, high IQ, etc., but to the eugenicists? I would be "wrong". And I now live ina state that had a very high sterilization rate. I know people whose family suffered sterilization. It's sickening.
I’m autistic myself and a few years ago I went to a lecture about “Dr.” Hans Asperger’s involvement with this and they showed pictures of the autistic kids he sent to those “homes” and in almost all the pictures the kids looked upset or distressed or scared. A lot of the younger ones who were killed died from lethal injections or through just plain neglect and some of the older and more “aware” ones would write letters to their parents begging to be taken back home. It was really shocking and upsetting and it’s terrifying to think that that could have been me if I had been born in the wrong place at the wrong time, and autism wouldn’t even have been the only reason. On another note, I was particularly shocked to see Iceland on the list of countries that used to practice forced sterilisation, I don’t think most people there even have any idea that ever happened there. I’m child-free by my own choice but it disgusts me that anyone would want to force that on me just because of how I am and no one deserves that. Even though there’s no k***ing anymore, a lot of this kind of stuff with the neglect and abandonment still happens in homes for disabled kids and adults in Eastern European countries, but thankfully over the past couple decades a lot of these homes have been being closed down in favour of foster care, family of origin care, or community-based care, but in truth there’s still need for major improvement even in those better alternatives to institutions. Most of the adults in these kinds of institutions are still languishing in old run-down buildings often in remote rural villages though and the whole thing is such a mess that passing away is usually the only definitive escape from all the suffering.
Eugenics existed in Alberta until the 1970s. I remember my mother telling me about a neighbour kid who was sterilized because she was deemed "retarded." I didn't quite know what to make of this at the age of 10, but years later I was disgusted and enraged when I found out it was still going on. Even some famous Canadians were fervent supporters of this highly immoral practice. It eventually ended up costing the province millions of dollars in reparations to the 1000s of victims.
These are still very popular ideas apparently. I commented on another video about this, how it's important that people talk about how things like this happened as to not let it happen again and a LOT of people got really angry for some reason.
@@thomyoutube3478 Tory's were killing of the poor by the thousands starving them if they could get away with it they would use this as there was more then one rumer going round they were
Episode idea; the Canadian treatment (read genocide) of the indigenous population. It's a totall crazy story, many people don't know about it and it was still happening relatively recently.
@The Notorious Mr. Dee Nooooo just the evil leftists in memes that oddly mirror nazi propaganda about jews. If you doubt look at pizzagate amd adrenaline gland harvesting that the old blood libel bs. Stop spreading useless political hate and focus on the real enemy. The oligarchy.
I’m a Canadian and I approve of your request. The Canadian government needs more pressure for what they did- we owe our indigenous serious repatriations after what the government did. Not just empty apologies and more systemic racism.
In summer 2017 I went to Germany for a month along with fellow students from my university. One of the courses that we all took was a German cultural history course, which included things on art, architecture, and some of the less savory elements of German history, including Germany under Nazism and Communism. On one of our excursion days, we visited the Aktion T4 Memorial, a solitary 24-meter-long blue glass wall on the Tiergartenstrasse on the backside of the Berliner Philharmonie, not too far from the Sony Center and the Potsdamer Platz, marking the outer wall of where Tiergartenstrasse 4 - for which Aktion T4 was named - used to stand for that is where the program was conceived of and made official. Before that day I had no idea of what Aktion T4 was or that it had even existed. I have two autistic cousins, and so it was one of a few things we saw over the course of that month that made me feel physically ill.
That’s something I greatly respect the modern German government for. They don’t hide from their past. They want their citizens to know what their ancestors did. So much so that many modern Germans still feel real guilt over what their country did nearly a century ago. Which don’t get me wrong, that’s not good either but at least they acknowledge the horrors of their countries past. I wish America could do the same.
Ruby Rose As an East German, I can assure you that they learned nothing at all from history. In the early morning hours of a January day in 1992, several police officers occupied the Fuchs couple's apartment at Grunaer Strasse 12 in Dresden and arrested Otto Fuchs. His wife Martha, a Jew who was a concentration camp prisoner, suffered a severe nervous breakdown. She believed that fascists were pushing their way back into her - as they did after 1933. The terrible experiences of the Nazi era were suddenly alive again. She was hospitalized in severe shock. The Leipzig public prosecutor's office brought charges against Otto Fuchs for perversion of justice and murder. In 1950 he was the presiding judge in the Waldheim trials of war criminals and Nazi activists. (This is similar to the famous Nuremberg Trials, but the GDR was more thorough and also sentenced the Nazi criminals and SS members who got away with nothing in the FRG, except for a formal "denazification") He was accused of sentencing innocent people to death (which was ridiculous ... everyone got what they more than deserved). With the help of his lawyer, he was released from custody for some time. In order not to give the Leipzig judges the malicious satisfaction in "his slow and excruciating procedural execution" (his words), he and his wife, who has meanwhile been discharged from the hospital, wrote a suicide note to his lawyer. Then Otto and Martha Fuchs jumped to their death on February 13, 1992 at 11:15 p.m. from the balcony on the seventh floor. The scandal press took up the case with relish. Otto Fuchs was of course called "The judge of death", including "The bodies were completely shattered" The Fuchs couple had no children. Martha Fuchs was sterilized as a Jew during the Nazi era. The Fuchs couple weren't the only ones who were persecuted or discriminated against in this way ... and ultimately couldn't withstand the pressure. The number of suicides among East Germans is estimated at 11,000 in the first few years after reunification. There are no exact numbers. Obviously, that wasn't worth any statistics. The latest scam of discrimination against East Germans and in order not to have to listen to them is to distinguish them as neo-nazis. The whole of Saxony was declared "Dark Germany" when protests broke out in Chemnitz when Daniel Hillert, a German with a Cuban migration background, was stabbed to death by an illegal immigrant from Syria. So so-called" Nazis" get upset about a BLACK man who was stabbed to death? Interesting, isn't it?
@@andreamuller9009 dude you missed my whole point. I said modern Germany for a reason. Even in the 90’s we were still in the Cold War and denial was still high. I meant kids that go to school now or in the last 2 decades. I’m not saying everything is great and there’s no issues, just that history isn’t buried unlike in America where textbooks literally sugar coat slavery and tragedies like what happened in Tulsa aren’t taught at all.
@@rationallyruby as someone grew up on the other side of the iron curtain during the cold war and clearly felt the threat (I had nightmares about nuclear war every night as a child), I can assure you that the cold war ended in the late 80s with the Disarmament negotiations and the fall of the wall. In the time of the 90s the people of the Eastern bloc were just coming to terms with the consequences of the economic collapse ... believe me, I was right in the middle of it ... but ok. I agree with you, the US generally has a problem admitting its crimes. and yes, as a german i can tell you ... the truth always comes to light. You can only live with it and try to learn from it. The fact that history has been taught so obsessively in schools for the last 20 years is due to the fact that contemporary witnesses are dying away from us. Unfortunately, especially in the media, a lot of useless crap is spread that you neither need nor ever wanted to know ... for example, that in our history channel, drugs were distributed to soldiers (as if other armies hadn't done it too) or that Hitler only had one testicle ... (Oh thank you BILD newspaper and "Spiegel"! ... I'll never get this picture out of my head 🤣...) That is why the topic of WW2 is slowly getting on the nerves of many people.
The NHS put DNR orders on quite a few people with autism & some developmental problems during the pandemic in the UK. That was in the last couple of years.
@@Misses-Hippy That depends on if you believe someone is capable of possessing rationality reasonability and suicidality all at the same time and as someone who has lost a brother to suicide and read his suicide notes he posted on to 4chan I can tell you he certainly wasnt in a reasonable or rationale state evidenced by the numerous amounts of people pleading with him not to do it and he made an irrational choice now had I done what the doctors do Id be in prison but for them its okay ? Leftiest often take these statements to mean I want the right to help a freind or family member with suicide but no its to say the doctors shouldnt be doing this either especially if its "genocide" when its politically convenient ie when its the German baddies.
What’s especially frightening is where would it have ended? After they culled the handicapped and mentally ill, would they start coming for people with, say, peanut allergies? Heaven forbid we allow a peanut allergy to be in the purest of races? This is soul crushing on so many levels.
i guess there would be a scale of some sort. as long as all of your disabilites, allergies etc. would contribute more than harm/cost it, you d be fine...
That’s the thing. Even tho it is a good idea. No one should be forced to do this. By good idea I mean only in theory. It would be great to try and get rid of serious cancers and health defects. But it’s so easily twisted. Race. Creed. All things could be used as an excuse. The only way it could be done would be voluntarily. Not even sterilized. Like a pledge or something. That’s it. No killing no sterilization.
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me. Martin Niemöller
I wrote my Master's thesis on the impact of eugenic sterilization at the New Hampshire State School of Laconia from 1929 - 1945. The vast majority of those sterilized were women (more than 80%) in their teens or early 20s. I hate the fact that Americans are unaware of this, and are also unaware that the Buck v. Bell Supreme Court case that deemed eugenic sterilization Constitutional has never been overturned.
So heinous was Canada it made the list twice! (2:24) Seriously though, no one defends Nazis, but shining the light on all the non-nazi global nastiness is refreshing IF disturbing.
What Canada did to our First Nations people (mind you before we were Canada) is atrocious. We learned in school that they were given blankets from people who had small pox or measles. We too practiced eugenics and sterilized people left and right. In Cree we are called Amuniow (spelled phonetically) which means the others. Even now our government regards them as children or idiots and can at any moment take away everything they have. Reprehensible.
@@NordeggSonya I don't know about Canada but the smallpox blankets thing was mostly a myth. Not only that but there's little evidence that it'd actually even work. Now did colonialists try to use smallpox as a biological weapon and did they did they do other super horrible things like destroy large amounts of crops or herds just to starve them to death? Oh hell yeah. Here in the USA we even had bounties for Indian scalps enacted and paid for by the government.
@@NordeggSonya yea I'm Canadian too and know many FN people and many of them because of the systematic I'll treatment of their people are alcoholics, drug users and just clearly wandering lost. Our government is no beacon of hope for them.
I've heard about this program before and it just sickens me. I have an adult son with autism and can't imagine ever being ok with this as a parent. I also work as a supportive living provider at a home for people with disabilities. The people I work with are amazing, it makes me angry to think if they had lived in Germany at the time, they would have been included in that evil program. The people I work with have so much love and great personalities, it's so far my favorite job.
If you find these kind of videos interesting I recommend you check out Mark Felton productions, have learned a ton I didn’t know about ww1 and ww2 I didn’t know
@@MonkehMike I just read Dr. Felton's book The Fujita Plan. Great book about HOW the Japanese attacked the west coast of America and also Australia . He has some great books !
My grandfather suffered from schizophrenia and spent a number of years in a sanitarium. He was allowed home for Christmas 1928 and my father (the youngest of 5) was conceived. However, he was moved back after exhibiting violent behaviour. Was he sterilized after that? We do not know. But we are suspicious that he was a victim of the "purge" of the mentally ill during the war, even though the records say he had tuberculosis - my grandmother was not allowed to visit him after his last return.
Thanks for pointing out that there was resistance and it was at least somewhat successful. There's a widespread belief that the German people were helpless in the face of Hitler's plans, but this and other examples such as the resistance of the German church to being rolled into the Nazi party beauracracy as all other organizations within the country were show that Hitler didn't always get his way and organized resistance movements could stand up to Nazi power and win.
There was also a need for the most strongest and competent to populate Israel by 1948. Some Rabbis believe those that perished were impure or mixed multitude.
As a PWD and a budding TH-camr @LegUpAbility where I talk about disability issues, I remember watching a documentary about T4 it was horrific. What is nearly as bad is the lack if awareness of the program in the history of the holocaust, when it actually played a vital role in the design of the the final solution. I was actually thinking of doing a video on the T4 Project myself for my own channel.
My grandparents didnt have to suffer thru this kind of insanity (because they where "ariens") but the fact that they lost 7 brothers & 3 sisters overall to Hitlers Insanity, had to flee from the invading russians & basically lost all they had, made it clear to me from early age. *War is Stupid* & should be avoided at all cost!
@Vercingetorix making people suffer is shit. Especially people that do not deserve it. People that deserve to suffer are politcians and criminals who have comitted serious crimes, and those only. No one should be ill treated in any way shape or form. By this logic you are no better than those nazis yourself.
War itself isn't stupid, aggressors are stupid. Those defending themselves are glorious Gods of battle. War is entirely natural, and a given alongside humanity's existence.
This is why I find euthanasia so disturbing. It can go from "right to die" to "duty to die" alarmingly quickly. I am handicapped and that has ended life as I knew it before, but it has not ended life itself. The Nazis would likely have killed me, but I can still contribute to society in many ways. I have read about this program before. Even before I was handicapped it appalled me.
You point out something true, but my grandma wanted euthanasia in the case of something major happening and had do not revive causes in her will. When she nearly passed in her sleep as 93 years old a relative called the paramedics and all of her wishes were ignored from that point on so spent the last few years in and out of a comma, with the lucid times in extreme pain on life support. It was a waste of resources and something she did not want and was not in a place where could physicaly end it herself yet would cry out to kill her commonly. There might be a fine line between "right to die" to "duty to die" but we need to find that line and not allow it to swing toward either extreme because right to die has a critical place in preventing extened suffering. We treat our pets better than out fellow humans in this case.
@@bigsprucerabbitry6238 Sir, what you are talking about is why it is so very important to have a living will. I'm so sorry for your pain and your loss, peace be with you.
Plus, the fact that at one time even a person who was depressed or a woman who was considered to be "inclined to being hysterical" by her husband could be put indefinitely into mental hospitals.....in many cases, it was just an easy way for the husband to get rid of the wife that he didn't want to be with anymore; but, for religious or other reasons, he wouldn't divorce.🥺😳🥺
Yea, sadly I can't say this a new topic for me, but more information is ways a good thing. The sad part is the teenagers that post edgey Nazi memes, many of them would have been killed for being LGBT or having any form of "issue" making them being seen as not "normal" but at the same time if we banned all talks and images then the real horror would go unnoticed and thus could lead to a repeat cycle
"post edgey Nazi memes" Well... who would have expect that agreessive pushing ancestral guilt on White people would lead to a slowly brewing backslash? "many of them would have been killed for being LGBT" Not specially. There is a recent spike in number of such people, had they been brought up even a century ago, they mostly wouldn't have this issue.
One disgusting way they continued the killings in several facilities across Germany after the program was officially stopped was that they starved them by giving them basically just water that some vegetables had been boiling in for a while and calling it vegetable soup. The patients would have this "soup" for every meal and they would slowly starve to death as they were basically just consuming water. The deaths were often labeled as "unsolved", because "no one could figure out how they could have died". Absolutely appalling and hideous.
@@johnclaybaugh9536 Could you be any more ignorant here if you tried. Abortion to this day is still used as a targeted form of genocide against those of us with a disability - something which Heidi Crowter and rest of the brave Down Syndrome advocates in Don't Screen Us Out are courageously opposing in the UK. In countries like Australia, official discrimination data shows that ableism is more prevalent than racism and sexism combined. From 2010-2013 the Western Australian State Government literally tried to legally mandate the sterilisation of children with a mental-illness as young as 14, without parental knowledge or consent. Here In Australia the biggest predictor bar none, of being the victim of violence, abuse, neglect and exploitation, is having a disability. Children with a disability face rates of institutional child abuse in schools over over 48%. Meanwhile Australia's Child Abuse Royal Commission from a few years ago, noted that child abuse against those of us with a disability is so vastly under-reported that it's impossible to predict how widespread the problem is. SBS News reported a few years ago that those of us with a disability are at least 3 times as likely to be physically or sexually assaulted than those without a disability. Likewise the Australian Bureau of Statistics just reported for example that those of us who are men with a psychological or intellectual disability, are more than 1.5 times as likely to be psychologically abused by a current partner than women without a disability or long term health condition. In fact my own abuse disclosure to Australia's Royal Commission Into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of Persons With Disability was 91 pages long and its final report is expected to be at least 20 volumes long. Then there's legalised euthanasia.In the Fri 18 Oct 2013 Guardian article "Disability - a fate worse than death?", Stella Young notes that when it comes to legalised euthanasia, the underlying attitudes of the Nazi Euthanasia Program are alive and well today. In the 2019 Guardian article entitled "We’re told we are a burden. No wonder disabled people fear assisted suicide", it was noted that at least 64% of persons with a disability feared being murdered under legalised euthanasia schemes, while how things have played out in the USA, Belgium and the Netherlands, have completely justified those fears. Meanwhile when New South Wales legalised euthanasia at the end of 2021, they explicitly rejected amendments with would have expressly prohibited murdering someone simply for having a disability or mental-illness. So spare me your ignorant normalcy bias garbage. It literally is happening here and if the ableism at play in the present day world were white supremacism, then the vast majority of the human race would be de facto members of the Klan. So no, I'm not the one who's wrong here - YOU ARE!
interestingly something similiar happend to the severely injured from ww1. Many veterans of the war had psychological issues. Most countries felt the need to hide them in sanatoria. If they were found uncureable their destiny was very much similiar to other disabled people. There are several "Stolpersteine" in my home town. These stones are labeled with the names of people who became victims of that policy.
Uh, this was happening in the US as well. I haven't done any research about it, I just learned about it from people I used to work with when I was a bath aid. I worked in a home for adults with cerebral palsy, and a lot of the clients had grown up in the system. It was common for doctors to tell new parents if their newborn had a birth defect lik CP or any number of other ilnesses, and recomend a home for their child to go to right then, like the poor kid is 24 hours old, and the parents would be told they couldn't handle taking care of them, they should give them up. And they would. One of my CP ladies had spent her whole life in group homes, and she had some horer stories, but the most sobering was that kids dissapeared all the time.
Whilst nothing like as large nor as intense as the German T4 Program it's worth noting that both the US and to a lesser degree had euthanaisa programs in the early part of the 20th century.
Yes, and who was a large proponent of heugenics, Margaret Sanger, who also started Planned Parenthood. Placing the first sterilization facilities in low-income minority. Neighborhoods where they still stand largely to this day.
I lived near Hadamar, which remains a psychiatric hospital today. Aside for a few main characters, the rest of the monstrous staff was and is protected, with history only recording their last initial in the interest of returning to social harmony. Many monstrous players at all levels of Nazi German got off with a tap on the wrist. This T4 Program is a prime example. It makes a person sick.
I live close to Grafeneck. Same story here. A light in the darkness being how some people publicly spoke up and show how even in Nazi Germany protest and change was possible - most people just didnt care enough.
@@flok462 In Hadamar, the clergy, representing the locals, was pressured to complain about the human abatoire by their village. They were complaining about the smell of burning bodies from the chimney.
I'm german.. And idk if every school does this, but in 8th grade half the class went to Buchenwald and the other half visited the Euthanasia in Bernburg I was in the Bernburg group And that small gass chamber with the window there.. The long hall way that lead to the ovens, rooms beanching off.. It's still in my head, like it was yesterday
when i was a young child i was diagnosed with asburger's syndrome (in addition to other learning disabilatys). what that means practicly is i say i have autisum as it does fall under asd; and it isnt bringing up the name of a nazi doctor who was trying to get people like me included in t4.
Being half German and with disabilities this story made me quite ill and in tears. I thought torturing and horrific executions were enough but then this?! 😭
I wrote a research paper on this topic once. I remember telling my friends about it and they were all in utter disbelief that this was legal. I was looking up the different laws from Nazi Germany and ended up almost crying in class during research several times
No one was safe from the campaign to eliminate "useless eaters." They even killed disabled WWI vets and after 1939 veterans of WWII as well. Way to boost the troops' morale. No surprise it was officially cancelled and equally no surprise it continued unabated.
Thank you to Simon and crew! This was so well written and presented, wish there was a writer listed in the video information section. The subtleties written and talked about here include saying the invasion of Poland in 1939 was the beginning of the *European* part of WWII ( which really started 85 years ago this week - July 7th 1937 with the 'Second Sino-Japanese War" in China ) @ 7:34 . I was also gratified to hear homosexuals included in the listing of persons killed during the Holocaust ( @ 0:31 ) as these "others" are often overlooked in discussions. Such sad but important information, thanks again. Never Forget, Never Again.
The German peoples actually protested because these were still loved, and even beloved, family members, not the things Hitler most openly campaigned against. There would have been no need for secrecy and faking death certificates if the Nazis hadn't realized this could be the one topic that Germans probably could not swallow. This would be the case in any country worldwide that doesn't have obedience bred into it for multiple generations.
Well their protests changed nothing, it was a tiny minority that even decided to fight against their facist regime. People already hated Jews way before Hitler.
The sites where they experimented, sterilised or euthenised disabled were within eyesight of towns and villages. They watched buses go in full and come out empty. The church and others turned their backs as the smoke from mass cremations darkenned the sky. Parents threatened their kids if they didn't behave they would put them on the buses.
When zyclon b was tested, the Nazis used disabled people in institutions as guinea pigs. They told the resident's families that their loved ones died of natural causes (such as disease.)
6:08 What kind of monster would ask someone to kill their 5 month old child?? He couldn’t put the child up for adoption? I suppose it does seem he doesn’t even see the infant as an actual person, but that’s just psychotic.
What is the source for the first gassings taking place in 1939 at Fort 7 with Heinrich Himmler present? I've got sources that tell a difference story regarding the first suggestion of the gass chamber being implemented.
The funny thing was forced sterilisation and euthanasia was first applied in america as part of their eugenics program before Germany did though both nations essentially got the ideas off of each other
As a person affected by cerebral paralyzes, I am thankful for the modern world view on people who have disabilities (sure, we may be discriminated by people at times, but at least we are not killed
Discrimination is a stepping stone to Aktion T4. So we as a society have to push back against discrimination too - and all the other previous steps that lead to discrimination -- starting with calling out kneejerk garden-variety mistreatment of the "different" (even the most petty of irritating, unaesthetic or inconvenient traits). Includes what I call Image Bigotry and bigotry against the socially or cognitively inept.
As a full-citizen Roman Male it was unthinkable to force The Empire to have to guard or care for your psychopathic or crippled offspring forever. You - as the child's father - had to prevent that from happening.
The Assylum that was used in the killings in Hadamar is around 2 Km away from where i live. Currently it is a memorial for what happened there and the plaques that are set up tell of horrific tales. I cant fathom that this happened so close to my home and that it happened at all.
What is the source for the first gassings taking place in 1939 at Fort 7 with Heinrich Himmler present? I've got sources that tell a difference story regarding the first suggestion of the gass chamber being implemented.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
I think it is important to understand the happenings of what mankind did in history. But some of the content I've watched on this channel are highly disturbing.
Despite all this, people are often still ableist and pro-eugenics. Without even realising how awful it is. As a severely disabled person: Autistic, severe joint pain and problems, asthma, severe digestive disorders (including daily vomiting, IBS, GORD and swallowing difficulties), auditory processing disorder, eczema and delicate skin, PTSD, Treatment-resistant-Depression, anxiety, kidney damage, Gilbert’s Syndrome… and many many more… Knowing I would happily be killed or simply cease to exist without having to find out how or why… People still do this with many mild disabilities with their pregnancies because they are fed outdated data, scared and vulnerable, or simply don’t have the mental of financial resources to support their baby. Worse than that, many people are happy to say it’s not okay to bring a disabled child in to the world. I understand wanting people to live in comfort. I understand disabilities can be pain, agonising, constant struggle or fatal. But we should not be placing value on a human’s life because we deem it “less than”. I love being alive. I love my life how it is. It’s awful and horrific in some ways, but it’s beautiful in others. I know many disabled people who feel similar. How many otherwise healthy people feel their life is not worthwhile? It doesn’t mean they lack value, it means they need support to find value. I am pro-choice. Anyone can get an abortion for any reason and I will support them as much as I can. But it’s not okay for society as a group, or governments, to say disabled babies should be stopped from existing. It’s not okay for people to say that adults with disabilities should be allowed to die from hunger or thirst without the person’s permission. Most recently the government tried to force Do Not Resuscitate orders on people with learning disabilities. Because our lives are still worth less to them. A human is a human is a human. We bleed and feel pain just like you.
This is the real type of social equality we need. Not all the BS claims of racism and sexism. This is an ACTUAL issue of systemic abuse still going on that so many want to ignore because it's not as "outrageous" and it's more controversial than going "waaaaa, I didn't get that promotion! It must be because of my skin or gender!"
I have multiple disabilities as well, I'm not in a good headspace right now and I don't think I can even watch this T_T I just came to the comments to confirm my suspicions about the subject of the video
@@jordanclark4635 tbh this also exist in the United State and the Soviet Union as well as China, thankfully Activist organizations such discriminatory programs down in the USA,.... but being an activist in the Soviet Union or China? You might as well paint a target on your forehead... abliem is the norm in both nations, and still is today and argue otherwise will have Russains and Chinese sadly gang up and beaten you on their own streets.
thank you for your usage of roma over the g slur!! even though i didn't like the usage of the slur in past videos i wasn't surprised by it considering how common it still is, so the change is very much appreciated
I think that if the knowledge of this monstrous program was more widely known, the nazis and related ideologies would have had lot harder time to regain support today.
Oh, you sweet summer child. The list of prominent Americans who supported the eugenics movement included Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, Teddy Rooseveldt, Helen Keller, W E B Du Bois, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Carnegie, John Henry Kellog, Margaret Sanger, John Rockefeller . . . Basically, all the "influencers" of the 20's and 30's.
@@pricklypear7516 Oh, I'm well aware of that. I was thinking more of the brainless sheep who tolerate or even support an ideology that in reality would mean the death of themselves or people in their lives.
@@NorthKoreaUncovered Obviously I'm not talking about them. I mean the average confederate flag waving, trump voting asshat who couldn't tell a Schutzstaffel from a Schnitzel.
@@pricklypear7516 I mean, it's not like they supported mass murder or that they knew what they were talking about. You have to remember how far medical knowledge has come and how far it still has to go. Many people that "supported" it simply thought it was a fact that Eugenics was a real thing because it's what they were told and taught, and they were ignorant of their own ignorance. Much like many of us will one day be looked at as ignorant when knowledge of medicine and genetics advances even farther. They weren't rallying to murder anyone or to do evil, they simply believed they were doing good by improving the quality of future lives by removing disability from the gene pool. Clearly they were wrong and it's easy to paint them as evil because of how twisted people like the Nazi's made it, but most of the people you named were misguided through little fault of their own, and many people alive today will be proven to be just as misguided by future generations.
When I was 12 we got new neighbours. One of the kids, a girl who was 6 was mentally handicapped. When she was 10, she was sterilized as requested by her mother, a social worker.
She was probably worried her daughter, who was vulnerable because of her disability, would either be coerced or outright assaulted at some point and be forced to give birth when she couldn’t take care of herself or fully comprehend what was happening to her. Plenty of parents of special needs girls get them on birth control for this exact reason.
All the people who WANT the sick and handicapped to live, don't themselves have to endure that fate.... They leave those poor people in enclosed camps to be spoon fed by public servants.... While THEY sip tea, and enjoy their healthy family life.
Thanks for this video. Eugenics is awful concept. I used to be part of a child study team and you would be shocked how many teachers believe this eugenics nonsense. We had students referred to special education only because the teachers knew of another family member was in special education.
this was the norm in Austria as well. Up until the early 1990s, they would often send kids of foreign workers (Turks, Serbs...) to special education because they did not speak German as well as they were expected to. Racism and discrimination is something that is deeply rooted here. It is encoded in their DNA, they can't help but to show it, under different circumstances.
My great grandfather nearly fell victim to the program after suffering a head shrapnell wound while working as slave laborer. He was put into a mental asylum where a nurse tipped off the family and they were able to get him released. He luckily recovered almost perfectly and I have great memories of him.
My grandfather told me the story of how his mother was euthanized because she had some mental illness (my best guess would be depression). That was when the German army was already retreating, so around 1944/45 He was around seven at the time.
He was incredibly lucky. Thank you for sharing your story
As someone who grew up in the US state of California, it's been devastating to learn about how the Nazis got their blueprint for sterilizing people who were unpopular at the time directly from California. We were raised understanding that our state grew a huge percentage of fruit and vegetables eaten in the US and was known for being very progressive compared to the rest of the US, campaigning for human rights etc - and yet it isn't shared very widely that we used to be terrible, really terrible, only about 100 years ago.
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Just read that even though Willy Wonka was filmed in Germany, only one of the actors playing Oompa Loompas was German, the majority of them weren't even European. Because there weren't enough Europeans (of the right age) with dwarfism left alive to cast.
Oh shit, that’s crazy
Wow. Just. wow. I can believe it given the thoroughness of the Nazis. How horrible.
That's bad because?
Frightening
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Is it good
Than you for telling this in a factual manner, leaving out nothing for the sake of making it easier to hear but instead, rightly, reporting on history with gravitas.
i'm from germany and a couple of years ago i went into inpatient treatment in a mental hospital, and the first thing you saw when you entered the premises was a memorial for all the people that died there due to NS ideology. one thing that i found especially infuriating was the fact that the hospital didn't stop killing people they deemed inferior until 1947. the fact that they were able to continue this horrible practice even though hitler was long dead is chilling to think about.
Yes. It is. I have some mental issues due to abuse and mother's drinking when pregnant and it chills me to think that less than 80 years ago they could legally murder the mentally-ill in psychiatric hospitals in Germany and Reich-held countries. RIP TO all the innocent victims of this evil, evil programme.
Unfortunately if you look at statistics of people with learning disabilities, intellectual disabilities, mental disabilities etc. You will see that statistically people who are disabled die younger and are treated less effectively for unrelated illness :(
@@harrietharlow9929 In many places of the US, calling for a wellness check can result in the troubled individual being shot dead by cops for just not behaving normally
@@terryenby2304 I know and that's awful. We pretend to be a civilized nation, but our treatment of minorities, the disabled and mentally-ill gives that whole fable the lie. I get so mad when I hear that a mentally ill person has been shot and killed by cops--ditto for minorities, like George Floyd, though I'm aware he had his airway constricted by Derek Chauvin and not shot. I'm not saying that Mr. Floyd was an angel, but in the situation in which he was murdered, he was already handcuffed/subdued. That should have been sufficient for Mr. Chauvin, but instead of just getting Mr. Floyd to his feet and putting him in the squad car, the erstwhile cop decided to kneel on Mr. Floyd's neck. Even when, Mr. Floyd indicated that he couldn't breathe Mr. Chauvin persisted until Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation. I've heard stories of similar things when cops deal with mentally ill/disabled people. This tells you how deficient the training for dealing with the public--minorities andnmentally-ill individualsiincluded-- in other words, it appears to be virtually non-existent.
Yall do the guilt thing better than anyone, no question about it.
Thank you to bringing attention to this. My great-aunt was murdered as a young girl, because she had autism. No official diagnosis, but that's my educated guess based on my grandmother's description of her. Talking about her sister was one of the few times I ever saw my grandmother cry.
This is horrible.
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You should just be happy your grandmother made it through the war. Maybe it's possible your great aunt needed constant care and really was life unworthy of life. As bad as it is there are millions of people around the world that would be better off if there were programs still like this in existence. People that can't care for themselves are treated horribly in nursing homes or mental health facilities.
@@jeffreyval9665 I worked in a nursing home here in germany. Its more an organization in charge of programs and nursing homes called "Lebenshilfe" roughly translated "Livehelp" or "helping to live". I worked with severe cases of disabled men and women. All i can say that even if theyre in dire need of help 99% of them were happy and could still enjoy live. I can accept your statement for the 1% that live in constant pain and even with care and medication theres much more pain than joy in their lives.
But i still have to oppose your view because my experience taught me to seek out ways to help those people live a joyful and happy live.
Maybe that's how it is in Germany but in the U.S. people living in nursing homes or psychiatric institutions are treated pretty bad. If you don't have the money to go to some upscale place your pretty much ignored and treated like your a burden on the people that work there. Younger people have no respect for their elders.
As an autistic, here’s some history: Hans Asperger was one of those doctors who sent disabled people specifically autistic people to eugenic hospitals. If that last name sounds familiar, it’s because those who Hans Asperger diagnosed as Aspergers were sent them to concentration camps to be slaves by the doctor. And those Hans Asperger diagnosed as Autistic were killed through eugenics after he sent them to Austria’s eugenics hospital. 800 autistic children died due to Hans Asperger. That is why the Aspergers is not a diagnosis anymore and it’s become a bit of a slur in recent years. And yes, Hans Asperger was a Hitler supporter.
Omg i didn't know that. Usually a doctor's name is mentioned when the doctor either finds a disease or a cure for them. What an @-hole.
That’s so sad I never knew that!
As the mother to an autistic child who was originally diagnosed Asperger's, thank you for sharing. I'm amazed I never heard that and am glad to have learned this crucial info
Its not a slur.
@@OutlawSpaceWizard nope, nor has it ever been. Asperger's was renamed to Autism Spectrum Disorder because it is part of the higher-functioning end of the greater Autism Spectrum.
Western academics nearly universally supported eugenics at the time. Impressed to see Simon's research folks got this right; it's generally glossed over by the victors when this story is told.
"nearly universally" is complete BS if you don't reference a source.
@@testboga5991 it was oddly popular , but then so was Hitler. most know this now as it was the first time " America first " was used was by Nazi's in the USA.
@@testboga5991 hes right ik many old blk folks who were forced into sterilization in the Deep South in the 50’s
@@testboga5991 it isn't bs eugenics was created by an english psychiatrist named Francis Gaulton, his nasty assumptions got a lot of people killed, only a coward kills the weak.
Eugenics never had close to universal support in academic circles or among the general public. It was pretty clear by the end of the 1920s that the theories promoted by the movement were not scientifically valid. Pope Pius XI condemned “negative eugenics” in 1930. Until the Holocaust, jokes were told at the expense of proponents, derision being the most common reaction as support for eugenics dwindled. Even in Nazi Germany, words whispered in restaurants imagined Hitler sterilizing himself as demanded by his own laws targeting insanity.
Can we get an episode specifically on eugenics in America, how it was funded by millionaire companies like Carnegie and enforced by judges
@CRAM MARC wasn’t Rockefeller in on it too?
Yes very interesting especially regarding the involvement of Planned Parenthood under Margaret Singer
Philosophy evolves over time and preceeds political and cultural changes. Following WW2, eugenecists realized the whole '6 million dead' was horrible branding. If you go to their own writing and don't believe anybody speaking on the matter including myself - they change from 'eugenics' to 'environmentalism ' to achieve the same ends. It's the same philosophy just with different branding.
@CRAM MARC War Against The Weak is a fantastic book I definitely recommend, read it a few years ago so I’m a bit rusty on the details but it’s very well written and the research is meticulous
The Heritage Foundation still funds shit like Prager U to this very day.
Simon forgot a minute detail. In 1952, because of Operation Paperclip (Werner von Braun) a general amnesty was announced that resulted in the fact that people convicted for their role in T4 were released from prison and lived out their life in freedom.
On of those people was Irmgard Huber from Hadamar.
He did another video where he mentioned it.
@Vercingetorix Not as much as you would, when Julius is around
(Your screen name not only refers to a brand of pocket knives, but also the King of the Gauls, defeated by Julius Ceasar at the Battle of Alesia)
But seriously. I just happened to have taken a closer look into this subject more than a decade ago, and thought this subject not to be widely known. I was surprised as to find Eugenics (supported by President Coolidge) and even an Italian scientist (with a study that the shape of one's skull could determine if you were criminal or not) at its base.
With the way the US is sliding down that slippery slope into facism, how long will it take for these ideas to come to the foreground again, now would it?
@Vercingetorix Julius beat him at death too. Being stabbed to death by a number of his fellow senators on the steps of the Senate. They wrote a play about it.
But Ole Juul was a character for sure. You would have loved him. Your political views seem to match.
@Vercingetorix If you call today's American politics communism, then you obviously do not know what that is, my friend. Go ask a Cuban refugee.
In medicines you could have a point. Those cost a fortune both in the US and Cuba. But who supports that policy. The GOP, remember, Brandon wants to lower the cost of prescription drugs. So are Reps Commies?
Facism is not all that fun it claims to be.
@Vercingetorix I think the man had cojones. He was once kidnapped by pirates and ditctated the terms of the ransom himself, because he thought the pirates asked not enough.
Later he took a fleet, hunted down those same pirates and crusified them (as he had promised them). A man true to his word.
He declared himself emperor, over the wish of the Senate. Yeah, I am getting a better picture of your political wish now. But how do you see yourself in that new fascist US that you would gladly welcome? Because facism turns nasty quite quick (a kind of Panem from the Hunger Gamers books (not the movies)).
Simon didn't even ask if we liked the video at the end this time as he always does and honestly it was beautifully and respectfully done,
I'm currently reading a book about forced sterilization in the US, specifically in Virginia, where I live. I've been hoping for a video similar to this one for a while! Thank you for all the info!
Eugenics was very widely spread at the 20's and 30's. What is actually interesting that it also transcended ideologies and beliefs, with even some religious leaders of the time endorsing them.
@@Ruosteinenknight politicians, celebrities, scientists and activists. Read War Against the Weak by Edwin Black for more info.
What book? And I’m from Virginia as well! I’d love to pick your brain if you have time?
That's pretty interesting. I have hydrocephalus (or hydrocephaly as written there) and I've worked in McLean, VA for two summers and wandered around the holocaust museum where I swear I've seen photos of a hydrocephalus brain cut in half...this suggests my memory (the last time I was in VA was in 2014) was maybe right.
What part of va?
I remember learning about this in school (German history education tends to be very... enthusiastic about discussing how terrible the Nazis were). As the diagram at 4:42 shows, they were very particular about purity and percentages of race. If I remember correctly, near the end of the war they were at the point where they even killed "Quaterjews", so those with one Jewish grandparent. My father is from a Jewish family, so I'd have likely been considered a "Halfjew" and killed before that. It's quite a haunting thought.
agreed. not trying to be insensitve, but i m even quite chilled about living there as a second class german. horrible times to live in germany at that time all things considered...
I remember watching a movie about that secret conference held by those Nazi figureheads last November talking about that same thing and can't for the life of me remember what it was called.
EDIT: Found the movie, it was called "Conspiracy"
@@casoclashomega The film is about the Wannsee meeting in January 1942 in which various Nazi leaders met in order to discuss the implementation of the Final Solution. We have the minutes of the meeting; it is chilling to read to say the least.
@@maxmustermann369 any suspicion of opposing the regime could get you killed and if that didn't then by the end of the war you could still be drafted to fight americans even if you were a child or elder
Harrison Fords a Quarter Jew.......NOT TOO SHABBYYYYYYYYY!
My friend has Huntington's disease. She has watched it run it's course through 3 generations of her family. Watching it take out 16 members so far. Including 2 of her siblings. She decided when we were 10 or so, she would never have kids. Her branch would end. Many others in her family have made the same choice. I said, "at least you got a chance at life." She didn't even miss a beat, "you haven't stood witness."
I'm terrified to lose her. Even worse. I am terrified to stand witness.
Your friend is brave and she's going to need you later on. ❣
You wont have too.
😢 your comment brought a tear to my eye.
@@trishalilly2924 There are so many wonderful people who have obstacles in their lives that they know they'll face. The strength they possess is inspiring.
The internet can be a way for good people to make positive changes that touch several lives. We all have to be dedicated to keeping a positive outlook on life.
People who make it their mission to spread misery aren't worth our time.
Peace everyone!!😇💞
Like death cab for cutie wrote, "love is watching someone die".
I remember studying this in history, one of the posters used was along the lines of 'This person is causing your taxes to go up.' or 'This person is another mouth to feed.'
In 1925 a city near me heard an application for a law to be passed making it illegal for those "not normal" to appear on the public streets. It didn't happen, but it demonstrates the kind of thinking that some people had at that time, and which the Nazis carried to its extreme conclusion.
What is even scarier is this is the sort of ideas used against transgender people many places to this day
A small group of people still facing forced sterilisation many places
Eugenics still live on
@@martine5923 false. There are no laws on the books today (atleast in the west) that enforce trans people to be sterilized.
@@M0rshu64 I'm sorry you are so miss informed but there actually is But hey there exists people that will deny holocaust still to
Cause it doesn't fit their world view
In Europe Denmark was only the 2nd country to not do so in 2014
Finland is a country that still does it
This was widespread, called the ugly laws.
This was probably the most disturbing thing I've heard. That murder of that 5 month old boy was especially disturbing to me. As a treated hydrosephalic it's not lost on me that if I had been born during this time I'd probably have been murdered.
Yeah. I remember this one miniseries about the Charité, that famous Berlin hospital (which still exists to this day). It began in the early 20th century, with things such as tuberculosis and an appendectomy. Which, at the time, was still a pretty new surgery, and they showed their patient to medical students, telling them (and the patient, who was conscious, as this was before the operation), that she had only a 20 per cent chance of survival. She made it, though.
And in N.S. times, one female doctor of the Charité had a child with hydrocephalus. She and her husband, also a physician, secretly drained the excess fluid several times, using syringes. Detection would have been a death sentence at least for the child, but probably for all three of them. But the child survived, albeit with a minor disability. (I think they couldn't always give them a treatment when they would have needed, and anyway, this is not treatment as we know it today, but was hightly experimental at the time.)
The saddest thing is that atrocities like this are still occurring today in 2022. Some things never change.
by the US government, indeed
Yes and others :(
The lowest common denominator is destroying humanity.
@@eggmeister6641 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@eggmeister6641 by china and north korea, mainly
1:40 - Chapter 1 - Early 20th century
3:35 - Chapter 2 - Law for the prevention of the hereditarily diseased offspring
5:15 - Chapter 3 - The 1st
6:40 - Chapter 4 - Life unworthy of life
9:00 - Chapter 5 - Disabled adults
10:40 - Chapter 6 - Protest
13:45 - Chapter 7 - The trials
Hi, honestly & I am _not_ being a troll. When I ask, how long did _that_ take you to write? Such a nice thing to do for a bunch of strangers on the internet. Hold on.... wait just a minute.... unless... you?... are you... a... a.... a _teacher?_ 😲 (or something?) 😂😂😂
@@Digitalhunny Meh, usually it depend on the channel: for "Into the Shadows", there is roughly 8-10 chapters and i write the timescodes when the title card disappear as i watch the video.
For the other channels (minus Brain Blaze), i estimate there is 6 chapters and do the same (write timecodes as i watch) but i adjust when proven wrong.
PS: As i'm alone and have quite the routineful life, watching the Whistler video and doing table of contents doesn't take me that much time...
@@ignitionfrn2223 YOU have gotten yourself a new sub my friend. _Just_ in case you ever start making content. TBH I'd LOVE to see what you'd create for the platform. Just from your original post & what you replied to me here. You're _definitely_ unique, intelligent & thoughtful. Thank for for what you do down here in the comment sections. You really are great & thanks for doing what you do.💕
@@Digitalhunny sorry but🤢🤮 nope not that special. Anyone with time on hand can do this.
Member of my grandmothers family was a victim of the T4 program. She told me, you could talk normal with him, but he was a bit of slow when it comes to learning things. He was in Hadamar. A few weeks after they started with this, they got the message, that he died of a disease and was cremated.
I watched a documentary a few years ago about it, they even added children they considered problematic to the list. Like one case, were a child in an orphanage stole some food, because he was hungry. The Nazi were very lose with the definition, what they considered a unworthy life, even if your were German. And the indoctrination started even in schoolbooks. One example is from math, were children got numbers, how much the state need to pay for someone in a asylum and how many "healthy" children could be raised with that money.
@Vercingetorix But they WERE plain evil
Thank you for talking about the genocide of disabled people that occurred in the Holocaust; while the focus is usually (justifiably) on the senseless slaughter of Jews, that’s a double-edged sword in that it sidelines the other victim groups of the Nazi’s genocide campaign, such as the Roma and Sinti, disabled and neurodivergent people, LGBTQ+ people, people of colour, political dissidents, Slavs, Poles, Czechs, Soviet POWs, and many other groups.
So as someone who is neurodivergent and would likely have been killed in _Aktion T4_ had I been alive during the Nazis’ reign of terror, I deeply appreciate the highlighting of that program, especially by such a prominent TH-camr as yourself. Thank you!
This should be also mentioned together with Jews on the Holocaust Day, of it can be called Day of Remembrance of victims of nazism/fashism as we can to really include all victims. In addition to all that he and you mentioned here, strangely there is no word about the most by numbers killed people and nations and that are Slavic nations? The victims from Slavic nations are actually the most numerous from all victim groups and nobody mentions them (in the western part of the Europa).
@@ПредрагКосанчић I 1000% agree; the Slavic victims absolutely deserve to be remembered too, and should also be mentioned more often. All of the victim groups of the Nazis should. Soviet POWs, Slavs, Czechs, Poles, the groups I listed in my initial comment, and any that may have slipped my mind as I write this, _all_ of them, should be remembered together with the Jews on our memorial days, and named, not just summarised as an “and millions of other victims” tacked onto “6 million Jews”. The Jews should go first, given they were the primary victims, but every other group the Nazis persecuted and slaughtered should be named alongside them afterwards.
I’ll endeavour to do so in future when talking about the Holocaust and its victims going forward. Thank you for your reply.
(I have also amended my initial comment to reflect your words. Once again, thanks.)
What is neuro-divergent? Honest question, I'm pretty well read and haven't seen the term before. 🤔🍻
@al saunders neurodivergent means to have autism, adhd, or other stigmatized’ ‘conditions’ that have an effect on cognitive function (meaning neurodivergent people think and process things differently).
The Holocaust, by definition, didn't apply to gentiles. However, the Nazis did indeed systematically pursue and murder other minorities, as this mini-documentary rightly points out. It is deeply unfortunate that the world's knowledge of the atrocities of WW2 seems limited to the Final Solution.
We've all heard of the eugenics programs and the atrocities of them...but to hear specifics such as names and ages of victims rather than the broad overview we receive in schools or documentaries....jesus christ.
If you do a video on eugenics in the US, would you please include the involuntary sterilization of Native American women who weren't told it was being done. I think it continued into the 1970s.
You mean Appalachian people. Color/Race had little to do with it. If you were poor was all they needed.
@@sadwingsraging3044 No, I mean Native American women. Native Americans are often left out of narratives, although that might be changing.
@@kathrynsamuelson1983 so we just forget the white and black folk right?
@@sadwingsraging3044 No. If you would re-read the original post, I said include them, not talk only about them. I don't have any more time to discuss this issue.
@@kathrynsamuelson1983 oppression olympics. Be _so_ glad when we can move past this stupidity.
T4 and the Holocaust never really sank in until one day it dawned on me that many of my dearest friends and I would’ve been killed without a second thought. (I’m legally blind and have friends of all sorts of “disabilities”.) Ever since it’s been a lot more important to me. And, something that I want people to know of more
As a kid, I was told by my Slavic Mom and her family that Hitler would've offed me for... epilepsy. I'm fully functional, high IQ, etc., but to the eugenicists? I would be "wrong". And I now live ina state that had a very high sterilization rate. I know people whose family suffered sterilization. It's sickening.
I’m autistic myself and a few years ago I went to a lecture about “Dr.” Hans Asperger’s involvement with this and they showed pictures of the autistic kids he sent to those “homes” and in almost all the pictures the kids looked upset or distressed or scared. A lot of the younger ones who were killed died from lethal injections or through just plain neglect and some of the older and more “aware” ones would write letters to their parents begging to be taken back home. It was really shocking and upsetting and it’s terrifying to think that that could have been me if I had been born in the wrong place at the wrong time, and autism wouldn’t even have been the only reason. On another note, I was particularly shocked to see Iceland on the list of countries that used to practice forced sterilisation, I don’t think most people there even have any idea that ever happened there. I’m child-free by my own choice but it disgusts me that anyone would want to force that on me just because of how I am and no one deserves that.
Even though there’s no k***ing anymore, a lot of this kind of stuff with the neglect and abandonment still happens in homes for disabled kids and adults in Eastern European countries, but thankfully over the past couple decades a lot of these homes have been being closed down in favour of foster care, family of origin care, or community-based care, but in truth there’s still need for major improvement even in those better alternatives to institutions. Most of the adults in these kinds of institutions are still languishing in old run-down buildings often in remote rural villages though and the whole thing is such a mess that passing away is usually the only definitive escape from all the suffering.
Well done Simon. Difficult subject well covered.
You just _know_ it's bad when Simon doesn't mention hitting the like or dislike button in a video?! 😬
An excellently delivered video on a subject that should never be forgotten.
Eugenics existed in Alberta until the 1970s. I remember my mother telling me about a neighbour kid who was sterilized because she was deemed "retarded." I didn't quite know what to make of this at the age of 10, but years later I was disgusted and enraged when I found out it was still going on. Even some famous Canadians were fervent supporters of this highly immoral practice.
It eventually ended up costing the province millions of dollars in reparations to the 1000s of victims.
I really like the controlled absence of a distracting music soundtrack in this series. Cheers from Vancouver!
These are still very popular ideas apparently. I commented on another video about this, how it's important that people talk about how things like this happened as to not let it happen again and a LOT of people got really angry for some reason.
Yea because it is happening again.
@@thomyoutube3478 No I mean they were angry about my comment that more people should know about this stuff, not about the euthanasia itself.
@@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin Thats what I meant too. They are trying to hide it and dont want ppl talking about it.
@def creator overtly in China yes.
@@thomyoutube3478 Tory's were killing of the poor by the thousands starving them if they could get away with it they would use this as there was more then one rumer going round they were
Episode idea; the Canadian treatment (read genocide) of the indigenous population. It's a totall crazy story, many people don't know about it and it was still happening relatively recently.
@The Notorious Mr. Dee Nooooo just the evil leftists in memes that oddly mirror nazi propaganda about jews. If you doubt look at pizzagate amd adrenaline gland harvesting that the old blood libel bs. Stop spreading useless political hate and focus on the real enemy. The oligarchy.
I’m a Canadian and I approve of your request. The Canadian government needs more pressure for what they did- we owe our indigenous serious repatriations after what the government did. Not just empty apologies and more systemic racism.
@The Notorious Mr. Dee lmao the agenda of the right is openly vicious and hateful. They don't even pretend it's obvious AF.
*is still happening today
The US as well.
In summer 2017 I went to Germany for a month along with fellow students from my university. One of the courses that we all took was a German cultural history course, which included things on art, architecture, and some of the less savory elements of German history, including Germany under Nazism and Communism. On one of our excursion days, we visited the Aktion T4 Memorial, a solitary 24-meter-long blue glass wall on the Tiergartenstrasse on the backside of the Berliner Philharmonie, not too far from the Sony Center and the Potsdamer Platz, marking the outer wall of where Tiergartenstrasse 4 - for which Aktion T4 was named - used to stand for that is where the program was conceived of and made official. Before that day I had no idea of what Aktion T4 was or that it had even existed. I have two autistic cousins, and so it was one of a few things we saw over the course of that month that made me feel physically ill.
That’s something I greatly respect the modern German government for. They don’t hide from their past. They want their citizens to know what their ancestors did. So much so that many modern Germans still feel real guilt over what their country did nearly a century ago. Which don’t get me wrong, that’s not good either but at least they acknowledge the horrors of their countries past. I wish America could do the same.
Ruby Rose
As an East German, I can assure you that they learned nothing at all from history.
In the early morning hours of a January day in 1992, several police officers occupied the Fuchs couple's apartment at Grunaer Strasse 12 in Dresden and arrested Otto Fuchs. His wife Martha, a Jew who was a concentration camp prisoner, suffered a severe nervous breakdown. She believed that fascists were pushing their way back into her - as they did after 1933. The terrible experiences of the Nazi era were suddenly alive again. She was hospitalized in severe shock.
The Leipzig public prosecutor's office brought charges against Otto Fuchs for perversion of justice and murder. In 1950 he was the presiding judge in the Waldheim trials of war criminals and Nazi activists. (This is similar to the famous Nuremberg Trials, but the GDR was more thorough and also sentenced the Nazi criminals and SS members who got away with nothing in the FRG, except for a formal "denazification")
He was accused of sentencing innocent people to death (which was ridiculous ... everyone got what they more than deserved).
With the help of his lawyer, he was released from custody for some time. In order not to give the Leipzig judges the malicious satisfaction in "his slow and excruciating procedural execution" (his words), he and his wife, who has meanwhile been discharged from the hospital, wrote a suicide note to his lawyer.
Then Otto and Martha Fuchs jumped to their death on February 13, 1992 at 11:15 p.m. from the balcony on the seventh floor. The scandal press took up the case with relish. Otto Fuchs was of course called "The judge of death", including "The bodies were completely shattered"
The Fuchs couple had no children. Martha Fuchs was sterilized as a Jew during the Nazi era.
The Fuchs couple weren't the only ones who were persecuted or discriminated against in this way ... and ultimately couldn't withstand the pressure.
The number of suicides among East Germans is estimated at 11,000 in the first few years after reunification.
There are no exact numbers. Obviously, that wasn't worth any statistics.
The latest scam of discrimination against East Germans and in order not to have to listen to them is to distinguish them as neo-nazis. The whole of Saxony was declared "Dark Germany" when protests broke out in Chemnitz when Daniel Hillert, a German with a Cuban migration background, was stabbed to death by an illegal immigrant from Syria.
So so-called" Nazis" get upset about a BLACK man who was stabbed to death?
Interesting, isn't it?
@@andreamuller9009 dude you missed my whole point. I said modern Germany for a reason. Even in the 90’s we were still in the Cold War and denial was still high. I meant kids that go to school now or in the last 2 decades. I’m not saying everything is great and there’s no issues, just that history isn’t buried unlike in America where textbooks literally sugar coat slavery and tragedies like what happened in Tulsa aren’t taught at all.
@@rationallyruby as someone grew up on the other side of the iron curtain during the cold war and clearly felt the threat (I had nightmares about nuclear war every night as a child), I can assure you that the cold war ended in the late 80s with the Disarmament negotiations and the fall of the wall.
In the time of the 90s the people of the Eastern bloc were just coming to terms with the consequences of the economic collapse ... believe me, I was right in the middle of it ... but ok.
I agree with you, the US generally has a problem admitting its crimes.
and yes, as a german i can tell you ... the truth always comes to light.
You can only live with it and try to learn from it.
The fact that history has been taught so obsessively in schools for the last 20 years is due to the fact that contemporary witnesses are dying away from us.
Unfortunately, especially in the media, a lot of useless crap is spread that you neither need nor ever wanted to know ... for example, that in our history channel, drugs were distributed to soldiers (as if other armies hadn't done it too) or that Hitler only had one testicle ... (Oh thank you BILD newspaper and "Spiegel"! ... I'll never get this picture out of my head 🤣...)
That is why the topic of WW2 is slowly getting on the nerves of many people.
Oh, I never knew that memorial even existed! Whenever I travel to Berlin again, I'll visit it, too.
As an Autistic person I had read about this. It's truly disturbing to see the depths people will sink.
Indeed. Have you heard of people claiming Suicide is a "personal choice" ?
The NHS put DNR orders on quite a few people with autism & some developmental problems during the pandemic in the UK. That was in the last couple of years.
@@silverhawkscape2677 But it is.
@@Misses-Hippy Not if youre Epstein LOL
@@Misses-Hippy That depends on if you believe someone is capable of possessing rationality reasonability and suicidality all at the same time and as someone who has lost a brother to suicide and read his suicide notes he posted on to 4chan I can tell you he certainly wasnt in a reasonable or rationale state evidenced by the numerous amounts of people pleading with him not to do it and he made an irrational choice now had I done what the doctors do Id be in prison but for them its okay ?
Leftiest often take these statements to mean I want the right to help a freind or family member with suicide but no its to say the doctors shouldnt be doing this either especially if its "genocide" when its politically convenient ie when its the German baddies.
What’s especially frightening is where would it have ended? After they culled the handicapped and mentally ill, would they start coming for people with, say, peanut allergies? Heaven forbid we allow a peanut allergy to be in the purest of races? This is soul crushing on so many levels.
i guess there would be a scale of some sort. as long as all of your disabilites, allergies etc. would contribute more than harm/cost it, you d be fine...
@max musterman
I doubt it. When it comes to establishing any sort of "purity" these people work in absolutes.
That’s the thing. Even tho it is a good idea. No one should be forced to do this. By good idea I mean only in theory. It would be great to try and get rid of serious cancers and health defects. But it’s so easily twisted. Race. Creed. All things could be used as an excuse.
The only way it could be done would be voluntarily. Not even sterilized. Like a pledge or something. That’s it. No killing no sterilization.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.
Martin Niemöller
@@erueru2014 the democrats.
And now we have the Gates foundation
I wrote my Master's thesis on the impact of eugenic sterilization at the New Hampshire State School of Laconia from 1929 - 1945. The vast majority of those sterilized were women (more than 80%) in their teens or early 20s. I hate the fact that Americans are unaware of this, and are also unaware that the Buck v. Bell Supreme Court case that deemed eugenic sterilization Constitutional has never been overturned.
Jesus!
Yeah, and now the "geniuses" of the world want the government in charge of our healthcare. Lol it's like they never learn.
Simon, I really like how you close videos on this channel. Just a reverent exit. Perfect fit.
So heinous was Canada it made the list twice! (2:24)
Seriously though, no one defends Nazis, but shining the light on all the non-nazi global nastiness is refreshing IF disturbing.
What Canada did to our First Nations people (mind you before we were Canada) is atrocious. We learned in school that they were given blankets from people who had small pox or measles. We too practiced eugenics and sterilized people left and right. In Cree we are called Amuniow (spelled phonetically) which means the others. Even now our government regards them as children or idiots and can at any moment take away everything they have. Reprehensible.
@@NordeggSonya I don't know about Canada but the smallpox blankets thing was mostly a myth. Not only that but there's little evidence that it'd actually even work. Now did colonialists try to use smallpox as a biological weapon and did they did they do other super horrible things like destroy large amounts of crops or herds just to starve them to death? Oh hell yeah. Here in the USA we even had bounties for Indian scalps enacted and paid for by the government.
@@shadowprince4482 Thank you for correcting me and adding to my knowledge! I have a few friends who are First Nations and they still have it hard.
@@NordeggSonya yea I'm Canadian too and know many FN people and many of them because of the systematic I'll treatment of their people are alcoholics, drug users and just clearly wandering lost. Our government is no beacon of hope for them.
Amazing how this channel consistently makes me stop chewing my food. Awesome video keep up the awesome work
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were eating a sandwich and you thought this would be a great video to watch while at it?
The veterans of T4 were used to set up Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor.
I've heard about this program before and it just sickens me. I have an adult son with autism and can't imagine ever being ok with this as a parent. I also work as a supportive living provider at a home for people with disabilities. The people I work with are amazing, it makes me angry to think if they had lived in Germany at the time, they would have been included in that evil program. The people I work with have so much love and great personalities, it's so far my favorite job.
Just when you think you've heard it all, you need to hear it from Simon.... Mr. Big Brain 🧠
If you find these kind of videos interesting I recommend you check out Mark Felton productions, have learned a ton I didn’t know about ww1 and ww2 I didn’t know
@@MonkehMike I just read Dr. Felton's book The Fujita Plan. Great book about HOW the Japanese attacked the west coast of America and also Australia . He has some great books !
My grandfather suffered from schizophrenia and spent a number of years in a sanitarium. He was allowed home for Christmas 1928 and my father (the youngest of 5) was conceived. However, he was moved back after exhibiting violent behaviour. Was he sterilized after that? We do not know. But we are suspicious that he was a victim of the "purge" of the mentally ill during the war, even though the records say he had tuberculosis - my grandmother was not allowed to visit him after his last return.
Thanks for pointing out that there was resistance and it was at least somewhat successful. There's a widespread belief that the German people were helpless in the face of Hitler's plans, but this and other examples such as the resistance of the German church to being rolled into the Nazi party beauracracy as all other organizations within the country were show that Hitler didn't always get his way and organized resistance movements could stand up to Nazi power and win.
There was also a need for the most strongest and competent to populate Israel by 1948. Some Rabbis believe those that perished were impure or mixed multitude.
@@monkeyon777 too bad there's such a fine line psychologically between being an abuse survivor and becoming an abuser.
@@j.f.fisher5318 only if you never forget that Germans made this possible, just like Russians today.
Nice Nazi flag bro
As a PWD and a budding TH-camr @LegUpAbility where I talk about disability issues, I remember watching a documentary about T4 it was horrific. What is nearly as bad is the lack if awareness of the program in the history of the holocaust, when it actually played a vital role in the design of the the final solution. I was actually thinking of doing a video on the T4 Project myself for my own channel.
Thank you for beeing one of the few that dare to bring light on thees truly dark toppics, despite TH-cam not beeing fond of such toppics
My grandparents didnt have to suffer thru this kind of insanity (because they where "ariens") but the fact that they lost 7 brothers & 3 sisters overall to Hitlers Insanity, had to flee from the invading russians & basically lost all they had, made it clear to me from early age. *War is Stupid* & should be avoided at all cost!
War isn't for the people. War is what the ruling class do to rob each other at the cost of a nations people.
Haha your grandparents are nazis
@Vercingetorix making people suffer is shit. Especially people that do not deserve it. People that deserve to suffer are politcians and criminals who have comitted serious crimes, and those only. No one should be ill treated in any way shape or form. By this logic you are no better than those nazis yourself.
War itself isn't stupid, aggressors are stupid. Those defending themselves are glorious Gods of battle. War is entirely natural, and a given alongside humanity's existence.
@Vercingetorix tell me exactly, what was anti semitic in my comment?! & be specific!
This was the hardest 👍 I've ever given. It was only given for the truth of the info, not the idea.
This is why I find euthanasia so disturbing. It can go from "right to die" to "duty to die" alarmingly quickly. I am handicapped and that has ended life as I knew it before, but it has not ended life itself. The Nazis would likely have killed me, but I can still contribute to society in many ways. I have read about this program before. Even before I was handicapped it appalled me.
You point out something true, but my grandma wanted euthanasia in the case of something major happening and had do not revive causes in her will. When she nearly passed in her sleep as 93 years old a relative called the paramedics and all of her wishes were ignored from that point on so spent the last few years in and out of a comma, with the lucid times in extreme pain on life support. It was a waste of resources and something she did not want and was not in a place where could physicaly end it herself yet would cry out to kill her commonly. There might be a fine line between "right to die" to "duty to die" but we need to find that line and not allow it to swing toward either extreme because right to die has a critical place in preventing extened suffering. We treat our pets better than out fellow humans in this case.
@@bigsprucerabbitry6238 Sir, what you are talking about is why it is so very important to have a living will. I'm so sorry for your pain and your loss, peace be with you.
Plus, the fact that at one time even a person who was depressed or a woman who was considered to be "inclined to being hysterical" by her husband could be put indefinitely into mental hospitals.....in many cases, it was just an easy way for the husband to get rid of the wife that he didn't want to be with anymore; but, for religious or other reasons, he wouldn't divorce.🥺😳🥺
Yea, sadly I can't say this a new topic for me, but more information is ways a good thing. The sad part is the teenagers that post edgey Nazi memes, many of them would have been killed for being LGBT or having any form of "issue" making them being seen as not "normal" but at the same time if we banned all talks and images then the real horror would go unnoticed and thus could lead to a repeat cycle
"post edgey Nazi memes" Well... who would have expect that agreessive pushing ancestral guilt on White people would lead to a slowly brewing backslash?
"many of them would have been killed for being LGBT" Not specially. There is a recent spike in number of such people, had they been brought up even a century ago, they mostly wouldn't have this issue.
One disgusting way they continued the killings in several facilities across Germany after the program was officially stopped was that they starved them by giving them basically just water that some vegetables had been boiling in for a while and calling it vegetable soup. The patients would have this "soup" for every meal and they would slowly starve to death as they were basically just consuming water. The deaths were often labeled as "unsolved", because "no one could figure out how they could have died".
Absolutely appalling and hideous.
The irony is that 80 years later, all that has changed is that the world has gotten better at lying to itself and hiding it.
We aren't typically being killed for imperfections anymore. So I'd have to think you're wrong.
@@johnclaybaugh9536 Could you be any more ignorant here if you tried.
Abortion to this day is still used as a targeted form of genocide against those of us with a disability - something which Heidi Crowter and rest of the brave Down Syndrome advocates in Don't Screen Us Out are courageously opposing in the UK.
In countries like Australia, official discrimination data shows that ableism is more prevalent than racism and sexism combined.
From 2010-2013 the Western Australian State Government literally tried to legally mandate the sterilisation of children with a mental-illness as young as 14, without parental knowledge or consent.
Here In Australia the biggest predictor bar none, of being the victim of violence, abuse, neglect and exploitation, is having a disability. Children with a disability face rates of institutional child abuse in schools over over 48%. Meanwhile Australia's Child Abuse Royal Commission from a few years ago, noted that child abuse against those of us with a disability is so vastly under-reported that it's impossible to predict how widespread the problem is.
SBS News reported a few years ago that those of us with a disability are at least 3 times as likely to be physically or sexually assaulted than those without a disability. Likewise the Australian Bureau of Statistics just reported for example that those of us who are men with a psychological or intellectual disability, are more than 1.5 times as likely to be psychologically abused by a current partner than women without a disability or long term health condition.
In fact my own abuse disclosure to Australia's Royal Commission Into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of Persons With Disability was 91 pages long and its final report is expected to be at least 20 volumes long.
Then there's legalised euthanasia.In the Fri 18 Oct 2013 Guardian article "Disability - a fate worse than death?", Stella Young notes that when it comes to legalised euthanasia, the underlying attitudes of the Nazi Euthanasia Program are alive and well today.
In the 2019 Guardian article entitled "We’re told we are a burden. No wonder disabled people fear assisted suicide", it was noted that at least 64% of persons with a disability feared being murdered under legalised euthanasia schemes, while how things have played out in the USA, Belgium and the Netherlands, have completely justified those fears.
Meanwhile when New South Wales legalised euthanasia at the end of 2021, they explicitly rejected amendments with would have expressly prohibited murdering someone simply for having a disability or mental-illness.
So spare me your ignorant normalcy bias garbage. It literally is happening here and if the ableism at play in the present day world were white supremacism, then the vast majority of the human race would be de facto members of the Klan.
So no, I'm not the one who's wrong here - YOU ARE!
Yea. Just ask Canada.
@@johnclaybaugh9536 the majority of abortions in America are racial minorities. I am sure that is just a coincidence
Been binging these videos while I work. Makes the day go so fast.
Thanks for being educational and entertaining, A+++ content!
interestingly something similiar happend to the severely injured from ww1. Many veterans of the war had psychological issues. Most countries felt the need to hide them in sanatoria. If they were found uncureable their destiny was very much similiar to other disabled people. There are several "Stolpersteine" in my home town. These stones are labeled with the names of people who became victims of that policy.
This is truly horrific, thought eugenics was something off star trek, never knew it has happened.
Uh, this was happening in the US as well. I haven't done any research about it, I just learned about it from people I used to work with when I was a bath aid. I worked in a home for adults with cerebral palsy, and a lot of the clients had grown up in the system. It was common for doctors to tell new parents if their newborn had a birth defect lik CP or any number of other ilnesses, and recomend a home for their child to go to right then, like the poor kid is 24 hours old, and the parents would be told they couldn't handle taking care of them, they should give them up. And they would. One of my CP ladies had spent her whole life in group homes, and she had some horer stories, but the most sobering was that kids dissapeared all the time.
Whilst nothing like as large nor as intense as the German T4 Program it's worth noting that both the US and to a lesser degree had euthanaisa programs in the early part of the 20th century.
He covers this in the video.
Well…just when I thought that the knowledge I have about WW2 and what atrocities happened couldn’t get any worse…
Yes, and who was a large proponent of heugenics, Margaret Sanger, who also started Planned Parenthood. Placing the first sterilization facilities in low-income minority. Neighborhoods where they still stand largely to this day.
I lived near Hadamar, which remains a psychiatric hospital today. Aside for a few main characters, the rest of the monstrous staff was and is protected, with history only recording their last initial in the interest of returning to social harmony. Many monstrous players at all levels of Nazi German got off with a tap on the wrist. This T4 Program is a prime example. It makes a person sick.
I live close to Grafeneck. Same story here.
A light in the darkness being how some people publicly spoke up and show how even in Nazi Germany protest and change was possible - most people just didnt care enough.
@@flok462 In Hadamar, the clergy, representing the locals, was pressured to complain about the human abatoire by their village. They were complaining about the smell of burning bodies from the chimney.
In Canada, it's called Medical Assistance In Dying(MAID). And it's very much Alive.
Every time I hear about eugenics I think to myself "man those people would be really disappointed if they knew about genetic mutation"
I'm german.. And idk if every school does this, but in 8th grade half the class went to Buchenwald and the other half visited the Euthanasia in Bernburg
I was in the Bernburg group
And that small gass chamber with the window there.. The long hall way that lead to the ovens, rooms beanching off.. It's still in my head, like it was yesterday
The book 'By Trust Betrayed' by Hugh Gregory Gallagher details this and the doctors involved.
when i was a young child i was diagnosed with asburger's syndrome (in addition to other learning disabilatys). what that means practicly is i say i have autisum as it does fall under asd; and it isnt bringing up the name of a nazi doctor who was trying to get people like me included in t4.
Being half German and with disabilities this story made me quite ill and in tears. I thought torturing and horrific executions were enough but then this?! 😭
I wrote a research paper on this topic once. I remember telling my friends about it and they were all in utter disbelief that this was legal. I was looking up the different laws from Nazi Germany and ended up almost crying in class during research several times
No one was safe from the campaign to eliminate "useless eaters." They even killed disabled WWI vets and after 1939 veterans of WWII as well. Way to boost the troops' morale. No surprise it was officially cancelled and equally no surprise it continued unabated.
Is it actually true they even killed their wounded veterans? This is absolutely insane!
Thank you to Simon and crew! This was so well written and presented, wish there was a writer listed in the video information section. The subtleties written and talked about here include saying the invasion of Poland in 1939 was the beginning of the *European* part of WWII ( which really started 85 years ago this week - July 7th 1937 with the 'Second Sino-Japanese War" in China ) @ 7:34 . I was also gratified to hear homosexuals included in the listing of persons killed during the Holocaust ( @ 0:31 ) as these "others" are often overlooked in discussions. Such sad but important information, thanks again.
Never Forget, Never Again.
And now Canada is following suit!
Happy New Year Fact Boy!!
The German peoples actually protested because these were still loved, and even beloved, family members, not the things Hitler most openly campaigned against. There would have been no need for secrecy and faking death certificates if the Nazis hadn't realized this could be the one topic that Germans probably could not swallow. This would be the case in any country worldwide that doesn't have obedience bred into it for multiple generations.
Well their protests changed nothing, it was a tiny minority that even decided to fight against their facist regime. People already hated Jews way before Hitler.
@@garretth8224 r/woosh
@@ZeoViolet This is YT silly
The sites where they experimented, sterilised or euthenised disabled were within eyesight of towns and villages. They watched buses go in full and come out empty. The church and others turned their backs as the smoke from mass cremations darkenned the sky. Parents threatened their kids if they didn't behave they would put them on the buses.
When zyclon b was tested, the Nazis used disabled people in institutions as guinea pigs. They told the resident's families that their loved ones died of natural causes (such as disease.)
6:08 What kind of monster would ask someone to kill their 5 month old child??
He couldn’t put the child up for adoption?
I suppose it does seem he doesn’t even see the infant as an actual person, but that’s just psychotic.
What is the source for the first gassings taking place in 1939 at Fort 7 with Heinrich Himmler present? I've got sources that tell a difference story regarding the first suggestion of the gass chamber being implemented.
Last time I was this early Hitler was trying to launch a coup from a beer hall.
Just a side note, "Aktion" in German is pronounced as ak-tsion (IPA: akˈtsjoːn). So are all words ending in -tion, similar to how it is in English.
The funny thing was forced sterilisation and euthanasia was first applied in america as part of their eugenics program before Germany did though both nations essentially got the ideas off of each other
As a person affected by cerebral paralyzes, I am thankful for the modern world view on people who have disabilities (sure, we may be discriminated by people at times, but at least we are not killed
Discrimination is a stepping stone to Aktion T4. So we as a society have to push back against discrimination too - and all the other previous steps that lead to discrimination -- starting with calling out kneejerk garden-variety mistreatment of the "different" (even the most petty of irritating, unaesthetic or inconvenient traits). Includes what I call Image Bigotry and bigotry against the socially or cognitively inept.
In my home town we had it (Rybnik, Poland) in psychiatric hospital. There is still a strange vibe there.
As a full-citizen Roman Male it was unthinkable to force The Empire to have to guard or care for your psychopathic or crippled offspring forever. You - as the child's father - had to prevent that from happening.
@Vercingetorix agreed.
The Assylum that was used in the killings in Hadamar is around 2 Km away from where i live. Currently it is a memorial for what happened there and the plaques that are set up tell of horrific tales. I cant fathom that this happened so close to my home and that it happened at all.
And Canada are right back at it.
I’m a teacher who teaches children with autism and I never knew any of this and I’m very upset about history 😢
What is the source for the first gassings taking place in 1939 at Fort 7 with Heinrich Himmler present? I've got sources that tell a difference story regarding the first suggestion of the gass chamber being implemented.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
30 April 2023, Hitler self - euthanized himself 78th anniversary.
I think it is important to understand the happenings of what mankind did in history. But some of the content I've watched on this channel are highly disturbing.
One fact not noted, many German WW 1 heroes, who for medical reasons were a burden to the state, were processed through the T4 Programs.
It was scary, as someone with a manageable illness, to stand outside a hospital in Germany and realise: They would have killed me.
can't you find a way in?
Happy New Year, Simon.
Despite all this, people are often still ableist and pro-eugenics. Without even realising how awful it is.
As a severely disabled person: Autistic, severe joint pain and problems, asthma, severe digestive disorders (including daily vomiting, IBS, GORD and swallowing difficulties), auditory processing disorder, eczema and delicate skin, PTSD, Treatment-resistant-Depression, anxiety, kidney damage, Gilbert’s Syndrome… and many many more…
Knowing I would happily be killed or simply cease to exist without having to find out how or why…
People still do this with many mild disabilities with their pregnancies because they are fed outdated data, scared and vulnerable, or simply don’t have the mental of financial resources to support their baby. Worse than that, many people are happy to say it’s not okay to bring a disabled child in to the world.
I understand wanting people to live in comfort. I understand disabilities can be pain, agonising, constant struggle or fatal. But we should not be placing value on a human’s life because we deem it “less than”.
I love being alive. I love my life how it is. It’s awful and horrific in some ways, but it’s beautiful in others.
I know many disabled people who feel similar.
How many otherwise healthy people feel their life is not worthwhile?
It doesn’t mean they lack value, it means they need support to find value.
I am pro-choice. Anyone can get an abortion for any reason and I will support them as much as I can.
But it’s not okay for society as a group, or governments, to say disabled babies should be stopped from existing. It’s not okay for people to say that adults with disabilities should be allowed to die from hunger or thirst without the person’s permission. Most recently the government tried to force Do Not Resuscitate orders on people with learning disabilities. Because our lives are still worth less to them.
A human is a human is a human.
We bleed and feel pain just like you.
Beautiful and well said
This is the real type of social equality we need. Not all the BS claims of racism and sexism. This is an ACTUAL issue of systemic abuse still going on that so many want to ignore because it's not as "outrageous" and it's more controversial than going "waaaaa, I didn't get that promotion! It must be because of my skin or gender!"
@@cherrycoyote55 we only succeed when we bring everyone up. Standing on other vulnerable groups to get the most attention is ineffective and vile.
If you look at very disabled kids, they are the happiest kids. That is because that is all they've known.
I have multiple disabilities as well, I'm not in a good headspace right now and I don't think I can even watch this T_T I just came to the comments to confirm my suspicions about the subject of the video
this is my favorite simon channel. it's been decided
As an autistic person, I always feel extra terrible hearing about this.
I’m autistic, 25 and have studied the nazis for more than half my life.
I’d never considered that. Well that’s fucking chilling.
@@jordanclark4635 how do you not know this? i’m autistic and knew about this the day i read a wiki page on them, they are literally N@zis...
@@asscheeks3212 that I should feel extra sad, never thought about it from my own point of view, or what it would mean for me
@@jordanclark4635 tbh this also exist in the United State and the Soviet Union as well as China, thankfully Activist organizations such discriminatory programs down in the USA,.... but being an activist in the Soviet Union or China? You might as well paint a target on your forehead... abliem is the norm in both nations, and still is today and argue otherwise will have Russains and Chinese sadly gang up and beaten you on their own streets.
I think chronically depressed people can also understand this very well, that part about being worth living
thank you for your usage of roma over the g slur!! even though i didn't like the usage of the slur in past videos i wasn't surprised by it considering how common it still is, so the change is very much appreciated
Anyone wanna talk about Sweden that was practicing eugenics until the 1970s?
Heard about this when reading Martin Gilbert. When you think the regime couldn’t become more repulsive.
I think that if the knowledge of this monstrous program was more widely known, the nazis and related ideologies would have had lot harder time to regain support today.
Oh, you sweet summer child. The list of prominent Americans who supported the eugenics movement included Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, Teddy Rooseveldt, Helen Keller, W E B Du Bois, Herbert Hoover, Andrew Carnegie, John Henry Kellog, Margaret Sanger, John Rockefeller . . . Basically, all the "influencers" of the 20's and 30's.
@@pricklypear7516 Oh, I'm well aware of that. I was thinking more of the brainless sheep who tolerate or even support an ideology that in reality would mean the death of themselves or people in their lives.
@@thehorriblebright Most neo-nazis are well aware of these programs and actively desire their return.
@@NorthKoreaUncovered Obviously I'm not talking about them. I mean the average confederate flag waving, trump voting asshat who couldn't tell a Schutzstaffel from a Schnitzel.
@@pricklypear7516 I mean, it's not like they supported mass murder or that they knew what they were talking about. You have to remember how far medical knowledge has come and how far it still has to go. Many people that "supported" it simply thought it was a fact that Eugenics was a real thing because it's what they were told and taught, and they were ignorant of their own ignorance. Much like many of us will one day be looked at as ignorant when knowledge of medicine and genetics advances even farther. They weren't rallying to murder anyone or to do evil, they simply believed they were doing good by improving the quality of future lives by removing disability from the gene pool. Clearly they were wrong and it's easy to paint them as evil because of how twisted people like the Nazi's made it, but most of the people you named were misguided through little fault of their own, and many people alive today will be proven to be just as misguided by future generations.
It's called Huntington's Disease these days, not chorea. Chorea means to dance and is deemed inappropriate.
If eugenics actually worked you would figure that Germany after WWII would be a mental health paradise. It wasnt.
Think the Soviets mass raping the germans might have something to do with that
When I was 12 we got new neighbours. One of the kids, a girl who was 6 was mentally handicapped. When she was 10, she was sterilized as requested by her mother, a social worker.
She was probably worried her daughter, who was vulnerable because of her disability, would either be coerced or outright assaulted at some point and be forced to give birth when she couldn’t take care of herself or fully comprehend what was happening to her. Plenty of parents of special needs girls get them on birth control for this exact reason.
All the people who WANT the sick and handicapped to live, don't themselves have to endure that fate.... They leave those poor people in enclosed camps to be spoon fed by public servants.... While THEY sip tea, and enjoy their healthy family life.
I never understood why Jim Crow US didn't join the Germans.
Beats me but look at Canada taking notes
Thanks for this video. Eugenics is awful concept. I used to be part of a child study team and you would be shocked how many teachers believe this eugenics nonsense. We had students referred to special education only because the teachers knew of another family member was in special education.
this was the norm in Austria as well. Up until the early 1990s, they would often send kids of foreign workers (Turks, Serbs...) to special education because they did not speak German as well as they were expected to. Racism and discrimination is something that is deeply rooted here. It is encoded in their DNA, they can't help but to show it, under different circumstances.