I think in Moona's case, not having English as your native language helps, because you can kinda reverse engineer someone's broken english to get to the root of what they mean, because you'd know exactly how a non-native speaker would try to get a point across.
Now this reminds me how happy she is when Moona understand what she meant. Then she bragging how good her english was after her experience with Moona... 3 years passed, now I think she realized that Moona might the only one who understand her pekonglish~
The way Pekora said, "I finished work today thinking 'I gotta improve my English'" leads me to think she met and talked with Gura and everybody while at the office. I hope that's a sign that there will be more HoloGra and other 3D collab stuff on the main channel with Gura, Ina, Marine, Pekora, and others! We haven't gotten a new UmiSEA installation in a while!
I think we are getting a HoloGra for each Myth member soon. Moona and Risu got solo episodes recently. I think they will continue the trend of these HoloGra "debut" episodes until 4th fest.
"Fuck" is the single most versatile word in the English language. It also has a hidden bonus when said by foreigners, it will help break the ice, adds color to the conversation, is very funny and serves as a conversation starter. There is truly no greater word than "fuck".
For Peko English is pretty hard language But Towa pretty good in English (from her interaction with Ela i can say that) and i guess she and Gura can speak each other more or less But ofc EN girl always need someone like Kiara, Calli, IRyS, Bae or Ina nearby in Japan
What Towa struggles with in english is mostly grammar and her limited vocabulary. Her understanding and pronunciation are pretty good (also helps that in collabs she isn't afraid to use DeepL if necessary)
It's actually super interesting to see the other perspective on this, being an English speaker. It's surprising how familiar the experience is as well. Confusion unites us all.
Towa: "Ah yes I can use English curse words to befriend overseas bros and can then use those curse words with all the new friends I made!" Truly a devilish scheme, sasuga Towa-sama
She really took the "not devilish enough" thing as a challenge in the last 6 months or so. Watch any clips of her with Subaru. She's one of my fave Hololive bullies now. Really rivals the likes of members like Okayu.
As long as there's enough context you really can push through with singular words and even repeat them for emphasis. "Japanese food... good? What good, what good? Oh! Teriyaki very, very, good! Many eat, many eat." I'm sure if anyone approached it this way they'd make themselves understood even without any of the missing words to cushion the sentences lol
Back in her first year a fan sent Towa a book that detailed how to use English curses, so it's no wonder that she knows how to use them to good effect.
that "using curse words to become" hits too close to home lol also if you had the chance to teach a complete foreigner your native language i can almost guarantee the first thing you'd teach them is a curse word or any other dirty word, just because it's funny lol.
English basically have "subject - verb - object" structure in their sentences. For example "I am (subject) eating (verb) breakfast (object)". Another example is "I (subject) like (verb) sushi" Meanwhile Japanese have "subject - object - verb" structure which is completely flipped from English. For example for "I am eating breakfast" the Japanese is "Boku wa (subject) asa gohan (object) tabemasu (verb)". And "I like sushi" become "Boku wa (subject) sushi ga (object) suki (verb)" So if you translate Japanese to English word by word you'll be speaking like Yoda. Edit : not really like Yoda but close enough
@@samsolitaryroll but Japanese also has fairly free clause order, meaning you don't even need to use SOV, you can say the same sentence as OSV if you want (although the emphasis changes, the meaning stays the same) thanks to using grammatical particles.
Towa is somewhat right. I know basic tagalog due to amount of cursing that I've received while playing dota. And also ragnarok the good old days when I'm playing private server "penge zeny" "sali po".
She also makes a great point that most western cultures are not as polite and reserved as Japan, so you don't need to worry so much about your word choice offending people.
Pekora realized that its not that she become better in english, it just Moona are expert of dechipering her Pekoenglish.... "ambribabo" indeed Moona...
I never would have expected Towa and Botan being bad influences on Pekora, telling her to learn swear words. (I don't think swearing a bad thing, I just think its funny coming from those two)
Just a tip for those learning English, once you have decent enough vocabulary, it really helps to think in English instead of thinking in your mother tongue and translating the sentence like Pekora said. It makes you faster since you remove 1 step from the process; also each language has a lot of nuances that will be lost in translation so you'll sound more natural if you think in the language you're trying to speak
i thought she was talking about in a game chat but she's actually talking about irl meet up bruh i really had to search the video if theres a footage of it but shes actually talking about real life got me confused for a moment when i couln't find it
Towa was kinda right about using curse words to make friends. Casual cursing puts me at ease around people, it makes me feel like they aren't hiding anything I guess. I could just be an odd duck, but I bet I'm not since most people curse around their friends but not their bosses.
Great. Somehow or another, they think curse words are a pivotal point in our conversations. This is where we are at comrades. We are wild, vulgar humans because that's what we portray ourselves as in media (streams, music/etc). Awesome.
English is pretty easy to speak once you understand a few basics, it’s hard to write because it breaks its own rules. Some languages are harder to grasp because they’re very different from your own language rules. Japanese is an extremely complicated language, they have three different ways to say and write the same things. Unlike English where you can sound out the pieces of a word and figure out it’s meaning Japanese is very resistant to that method. Meanwhile one of the easiest languages for an English to learn is German because they use many of the same rules and many words sound almost exactly like English words with the same meaning.
Holo ID is a perfect bridge for EN and JP Indonesian formula have the same format as Japanes, but more emphasis on it. So direct translate of word to word from Bahasa to Japanese can work. While English is the opposite format of Indonesia. For example, Red rice is nasi merah in indo. Red is merah, and nasi is rice. This is why it seems indonesian can learn japanese and english "easily"
If you're at least a bilingual, you know that translating word by word is not the way to go to speak in another language. You should "think" in that language to speak naturally. Of course, this is not something that can be done immediately. The key to doing this is just to expose yourself to the language continuously.
"I realized how difficult English is" It's funny coming from someone fluent in Japanese. English is pretty much caveman language compared :D It's just a matter of practice.
The thing is, you will find languages more difficult or easier depending your first language, since Japanese despite borrowing english words is not that similar to the language itself, structure, pronunciation, etc, a lot of them have trouble with it.
To polite personality, curse words is hard to speak off, especially when you speak to random people without give away you as jerk. But it true the faster way to speak is 🤬cursing.. As guide maybe, but for conversation.. Unless you in danger it quite misleading for good or bad reason.
![Korone called Okayu on stream, but someone else picked up... [Hololive]](/img/n.gif)
Pekora finally understands that not everybody can read her mind like Moona.
i suspect someone in moona's chat must be writing instant translations
I think in Moona's case, not having English as your native language helps, because you can kinda reverse engineer someone's broken english to get to the root of what they mean, because you'd know exactly how a non-native speaker would try to get a point across.
Not only that, I think Moona is really intelligent, she abstracts what the other person is saying by what it is trying to say.
@@AnotherFancyUser also it's so much easier to do so in games where context are very much obvious than irl !
Moona is just gigabrain
Pekora suddenly realized that Moona has a masters degree in Pekoenglish.
Pekora has really come so far since PekoMoon began. Truly I am happy for the rabbit as a Nousagi
Now this reminds me how happy she is when Moona understand what she meant.
Then she bragging how good her english was after her experience with Moona...
3 years passed, now I think she realized that Moona might the only one who understand her pekonglish~
Moona is just cheating. She has a direct link into Shachou's mind.
was so immersed in her story that i didn't realize that usaken are together again
This is specifically PEBOT though. UsaKen would need Kiara & Moona to be there
True, Pebot was born during heist collab.
Well there is only one person who fully understood pekonglish
Pekonglish and Maringlish together? That must have been a treat
that's too much for shark brain
Towa has the right idea, learning a language through its curses and insults is the fastest method XD
The way Pekora said, "I finished work today thinking 'I gotta improve my English'" leads me to think she met and talked with Gura and everybody while at the office. I hope that's a sign that there will be more HoloGra and other 3D collab stuff on the main channel with Gura, Ina, Marine, Pekora, and others! We haven't gotten a new UmiSEA installation in a while!
I think we are getting a HoloGra for each Myth member soon. Moona and Risu got solo episodes recently. I think they will continue the trend of these HoloGra "debut" episodes until 4th fest.
I guess We all eating good until April. All holomem been cooking lately in JP with ID 1n2
Botan is so innocent that she only knows only one curse word "uninstall this game" 🧢
she is just hiding her inner cyka blyat to prevent corrupting her innocent senpais
@@s061078 ahhh aren't the senpais already corrupted from roots like we got a war criminal there
CoD pro instincts
The translation is a little off, they're not talking curse words but insults, particularly gaming-related insults.
"Fuck" is the single most versatile word in the English language. It also has a hidden bonus when said by foreigners, it will help break the ice, adds color to the conversation, is very funny and serves as a conversation starter. There is truly no greater word than "fuck".
For Peko English is pretty hard language
But Towa pretty good in English (from her interaction with Ela i can say that) and i guess she and Gura can speak each other more or less
But ofc EN girl always need someone like Kiara, Calli, IRyS, Bae or Ina nearby in Japan
When she was playing with the a rpr she was doing really well communicating
Then I have to say I'm proud of ame to have done a off collab with subaru and mel.
@@Sachin1671 who?
@@reggielacey2235 Ame, she did the collab with mel and subaru a while back.
What Towa struggles with in english is mostly grammar and her limited vocabulary.
Her understanding and pronunciation are pretty good
(also helps that in collabs she isn't afraid to use DeepL if necessary)
It's actually super interesting to see the other perspective on this, being an English speaker. It's surprising how familiar the experience is as well.
Confusion unites us all.
Pekora uses Senpai Power.
It goes over Gura's head.
Everything goes over Gura's head. She's too short to catch it.
@@SillyMakesVids Ayyyyyy
Towa: "Ah yes I can use English curse words to befriend overseas bros and can then use those curse words with all the new friends I made!"
Truly a devilish scheme, sasuga Towa-sama
what happened to Towa Maji Tenshi lol
Nothing happened that wasn't there before
Kenzokus gave her a curse word book once, that's why she has confidence in that.
She really took the "not devilish enough" thing as a challenge in the last 6 months or so. Watch any clips of her with Subaru. She's one of my fave Hololive bullies now. Really rivals the likes of members like Okayu.
TMT learns curse words to befriend foreigners
The downfall arc
I’m surprised Pekora actually calls her Gura-Chan, seems like every JP member has decided to call her Same-Chan
As long as there's enough context you really can push through with singular words and even repeat them for emphasis.
"Japanese food... good? What good, what good? Oh! Teriyaki very, very, good! Many eat, many eat."
I'm sure if anyone approached it this way they'd make themselves understood even without any of the missing words to cushion the sentences lol
Back in her first year a fan sent Towa a book that detailed how to use English curses, so it's no wonder that she knows how to use them to good effect.
Every foreign exchange starts with swearing
Pekora's real laugh is such a treat to hear :0
that "using curse words to become" hits too close to home lol
also if you had the chance to teach a complete foreigner your native language i can almost guarantee the first thing you'd teach them is a curse word or any other dirty word, just because it's funny lol.
"They use curse words to become friends" lmaoo Towa-sama knows us better than she realizes. Oh yeah, come on!
Thank you for moving the subtitles at the end
yeah Pekora was right about that sentence thing when translating EN to JP LMAO they really have different arrangements when translated XD
English basically have "subject - verb - object" structure in their sentences. For example "I am (subject) eating (verb) breakfast (object)". Another example is "I (subject) like (verb) sushi"
Meanwhile Japanese have "subject - object - verb" structure which is completely flipped from English. For example for "I am eating breakfast" the Japanese is "Boku wa (subject) asa gohan (object) tabemasu (verb)". And "I like sushi" become "Boku wa (subject) sushi ga (object) suki (verb)"
So if you translate Japanese to English word by word you'll be speaking like Yoda.
Edit : not really like Yoda but close enough
@@samsolitaryroll but Japanese also has fairly free clause order, meaning you don't even need to use SOV, you can say the same sentence as OSV if you want (although the emphasis changes, the meaning stays the same) thanks to using grammatical particles.
Towa is somewhat right.
I know basic tagalog due to amount of cursing that I've received while playing dota.
And also ragnarok the good old days when I'm playing private server "penge zeny" "sali po".
LMAO at the "penge zeny"
She also makes a great point that most western cultures are not as polite and reserved as Japan, so you don't need to worry so much about your word choice offending people.
@@shadowfragment I mean it use to be that way. It is not now.
pekora is going to shout 'FUCK' at gura the next time they meet
are we getting umisea collab considering the member meet
Oh god, imagine if Pekora tries taking Towa's advice and the next time she meets Gura, it is just a profanity laced tirade. 😂
Botan bringing out her inner Kaichou lmaooooo
Moona big brain
Pekora realized that its not that she become better in english, it just Moona are expert of dechipering her Pekoenglish....
"ambribabo" indeed Moona...
It really is amusing when someone who isn't native to English just suddenly blurts out a swear word 😂
~ PAIN PEKOO ~
"passion english" would be a good way of describing swear words
The next time this rabbit meets a non jp member she's gonna greet them with a good ol FAQ
Pekolish
I’d love for Botan to tell me to uninstall a game
Maybe Calli can step in and teach Pekora some curse words like she did with Haachama.
meanwhile miko:
*FAQ!!!*
*SEGGS!!!*
I never would have expected Towa and Botan being bad influences on Pekora, telling her to learn swear words.
(I don't think swearing a bad thing, I just think its funny coming from those two)
Haya! 👀
Somebody sign up Shachou for one of Calli's English lesson streams, stat!
Just a tip for those learning English, once you have decent enough vocabulary, it really helps to think in English instead of thinking in your mother tongue and translating the sentence like Pekora said.
It makes you faster since you remove 1 step from the process; also each language has a lot of nuances that will be lost in translation so you'll sound more natural if you think in the language you're trying to speak
Reine's spider sense is tingling.
Thinking about it from their perspective it is kinda weird how swearing is so multi-purpose in English lol
The simple phrase “fuck you” has so many different uses. You can use it when you’re mad, scared, happy or joking. It’s a really versatile phrase
Does botan know the gamer word then?
i thought she was talking about in a game chat but she's actually talking about irl meet up bruh i really had to search the video if theres a footage of it but shes actually talking about real life got me confused for a moment when i couln't find it
There is only one Pekolish translator in this world.
Moona?
Thats true we do use curse words to make friends
I can understand what people say in english, but when I tried to speak in english, it was really2 hard
Towa was kinda right about using curse words to make friends. Casual cursing puts me at ease around people, it makes me feel like they aren't hiding anything I guess.
I could just be an odd duck, but I bet I'm not since most people curse around their friends but not their bosses.
That's good and all, but did Ina get her hugs?
Where’s a goddess when you need her right? lol
Great. Somehow or another, they think curse words are a pivotal point in our conversations.
This is where we are at comrades. We are wild, vulgar humans because that's what we portray ourselves as in media (streams, music/etc). Awesome.
English is hard. Even using the word shit is complicated.
English is pretty easy to speak once you understand a few basics, it’s hard to write because it breaks its own rules. Some languages are harder to grasp because they’re very different from your own language rules. Japanese is an extremely complicated language, they have three different ways to say and write the same things. Unlike English where you can sound out the pieces of a word and figure out it’s meaning Japanese is very resistant to that method.
Meanwhile one of the easiest languages for an English to learn is German because they use many of the same rules and many words sound almost exactly like English words with the same meaning.
Holo ID is a perfect bridge for EN and JP
Indonesian formula have the same format as Japanes, but more emphasis on it. So direct translate of word to word from Bahasa to Japanese can work.
While English is the opposite format of Indonesia. For example, Red rice is nasi merah in indo. Red is merah, and nasi is rice.
This is why it seems indonesian can learn japanese and english "easily"
I can vouch for Towa!, Cuz as a Filipino we always use swear words to strengthen our friendship here.
So Umisea but War Criminal
If you're at least a bilingual, you know that translating word by word is not the way to go to speak in another language. You should "think" in that language to speak naturally.
Of course, this is not something that can be done immediately. The key to doing this is just to expose yourself to the language continuously.
Yes english is hard
Thats why we should make japanese a international language and all school should teach it 👍
OH MY GOD YES!!!!
Them: "Where are you from?"
Me: "Greece"
Them: "Yo! teach me some words!"
Me: "Sure thing! Let's start with Malakas" 🤣
I am... gonna be completely honest. Half the reason I started watching hololive was because the anime girls said Faq. 🙏 they're so right. xD
Curse words aren't there to make friends, where does this come from?
I mean... that wasn't curse words. That was just literal trash talk lol
Cursing in English is referring to stuff like bitch and shit... :>
bcuz japanese is hard to type so voice is easier to use
ina still in japan?
Gura has also just been really bad communicating with broken english.
Coco: Did you just notice now?????????????????????????
Tbf it was gura XD
''Uninstall the game!''
Sasuga gaming La Lion
Fast
"I realized how difficult English is"
It's funny coming from someone fluent in Japanese. English is pretty much caveman language compared :D It's just a matter of practice.
English is really not that hard to brute force, those single words tied together make sense usually.
@@AdamantLightLP a lot of words you can force into having a meaning just by saying it in a certain way. English is the language of euphemisms.
English has too many caveats.
The thing is, you will find languages more difficult or easier depending your first language, since Japanese despite borrowing english words is not that similar to the language itself, structure, pronunciation, etc, a lot of them have trouble with it.
@@fireh23 * English spelling has too many caveats
To polite personality, curse words is hard to speak off, especially when you speak to random people without give away you as jerk. But it true the faster way to speak is 🤬cursing.. As guide maybe, but for conversation.. Unless you in danger it quite misleading for good or bad reason.
Dude, don't they teach basic english grammar in Japan?
Most of time, Japanese learn English just to pass their exam. Never use it for daily life.
It's pretty much the same as Spanish class in Usa, plass the class and never see it again
no peko, gura just needs to improve her japanese
It goes both ways