@@Vulture2k playing a multiplayer BR is not that same as playing a story game. What you’re supposed to turn on apex once and never play again. Stuff like that, cod, league, csgo, are not really replaying you’re competing against new players in new scenarios every time. Plus every update they buff, nerf add maps and other things. So it’s different than replaying a story like he was talking about.
Ludology vs narratology has been a thing for a while, Connor is just the type of player that prefers mechanic driven games rather than narrative driven ones. Can argue that having to go through different routes of Nier Automata is an example of narrative being pushed through gameplay, a style of story telling that only games can offer.
@@4rch0711 He does find it fun, the problem is Connor skips tutorial pages, and he doesn't like how MH dumps loads of information in one go. Which is a fairly stupid reason, yet a fair point for a new player in MH where old players already know core mechanics of the game, and would only bother with learning the new mechanics introduced in the newer games. Whereas in being a new gamer in MH, it'll be a drag to take in every bit of information you have to learn to fully be optimized, and I don't see Connor having that effort. Plus it's grindy, and we all know Connor's preferences about grinding in games.
@@hanzolee1174 he's pretty put off in their MH stream last time. Such a great game, too bad he doesn't have the will to breakthrough the tutorial and experience the game's essence
Watching the boys feeling the figures while blindfolded is absolutely hysterical. At least none of them were degenerate figures. Because they would’ve of been banned from Twitch for sure
Joey and the among us doll keeps on going. Hope the dude is okay(not that aki does anything) I've seen that kind of attachment other places and unless he's on drugs(don't think so) there is something going on. Wish my best to Joey and the boys. Edit: or he smokes cigs
Lol It’s really hilarious 😂 He reminds me of my friend, who is very technical and only likes certain mechanics of the game. If it entertains him enough, he’ll play it nonstop. If not, he’s done and moved onto the next. He does not like long drawn out stories with barely any game action, so he reminds me of Connor because they have that on and off switch with their attention span 😅
@@erika8349 they're usually competitive gamers. Which is understandable cuz they prefer the mechanical aspects and also the grindy enviroment those games offer. To each their own I guess.
@@erika8349 the thing i don’t get about that though is that im pretty sure if nier or most story games he doesnt like were packaged as an anime or a movie he wouldn’t be so against it but just because it’s on steam rather than netflix he can’t pay attention to it.
@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 the medium has a different connotation. With a show you have a different approach and expectation. He apparently he has a very rigid approach to games. When he puts a controller in his hsnd to play, he wants to play the mechanics. Story is in the way of the gameplay for him. For him the play aspect of the game should only be contextualized by story. In that field of science scholars are actually fighting whether story is more important or gameplay. (Ludonarrative dissonance)
There is difficulty slider in dark souls. In all 3 parts you can join a covenant that turns off helping phantoms, increases enemy damage and decreases your weapons durability
In Nier Automata only the 2nd playthrough is similar, but even there you play as a completely different character and see their side of the whole events. The others are continiuation of where the story left off.
And casual gamers interested in the game won't know that, so they will just drop it after the first "ending". That's why its dumb to call the halfway point of the game an "ending" and roll the credits. Joey and Garnt should have just said that its not actually an ending, and the game just continues on normally after you replay a short part of the game with 9s.
@@masturcheef123 exactly, my cousin absolutely loves Nier but even he warned me about the so-called "endings" that they involved. He told me first that there were a fuck load of endings and when I intially felt turned off by that he immediately reassured me that they weren't actually endings.
and for the d and e endings you just basically get them immediately after c. if you wanted to make this criticism against replicant i can at least somewhat agree(though what you have to replay is less long), but even in route b in automata you get like a dozen new scenes and it still feels like the gameplay is fresh mostly due to hacking as 9s and cool a2 moveset
You still follow the same story beats tho. Maybe in the return to the mining factory section, where 9S has his own unique segment and boss, it’s largely the same. I get why someone would be annoyed. However, playthrough 3 is straight up completely different tho. The boys could’ve explained it better to Connor lol
@@masturcheef123 But when you get Ending A you get a message you need to press a button to dismiss that goes: To all players, Thank you very much for playing "Nier:Automata." We have a special message for you! This game has several different storylines that change each time you play. You have witness the "A route." but there are still many story elements and changes to the gameplay systems you have not seen yet. We highly recommend you play through again to witness the full "Nier:Automata" experience. We hope you enjoy the rest of the game! Sincerly, Square Enix PR I think the message is really clear about that you didn't saw the full story yet and that the first credits are far from the end of the game, so whoever stops after this is kinda at their own fault to miss most one of one of the most awesome games in existence IMO
i love it when game devs put in the description of certain game difficulties "the way the game is intended to be played" massive respect to any devs who do that
What if I dont care about what they intended? What if I dont have enough skill to paly trough what they intended? "Just dont play lol" What if i want to play that game anyways but the devs stupid decisions prevent me from doing it? High difficulty withotu any way to change is like microtransactions. On one hand you either git gud or gtfo, on the other you either pay or gtfo, no difference.
My nuts physically shriveled up and went back into my body when I heard Connor didn’t give a shit about the story in Hades, starting to rethink his outfit choice on the 24h stream. This man ain’t a monkey, he’s the whole circus
@@HouseMDaddict which is funny cause he said he didn't like borderland 3 because of the story, like specifically the story cause he also said he liked the gameplay.
@@vieris9893 as a long time massive borderlands fan, borderlands 3 couldn't have been much worse. Gameplay was okay, story was fucking garbage, and the majority of the borderlands community also agrees lmao. I literally went back to borderlands 2 less than a week after 3 came out and never really wanted to go back. Connor is 100% right with his opinion on borderlands.
He hates reading long story, period. He know some story because the game probably have 30 sec cutscene or the general objective of the game have a decent story/gameplay integration
@@vieris9893 You can like in game lore, like with short cutscenes and snippets, quest objectives, etc. But at the same time dislike reading a fck ton of unvoiced dialogue, sitting through more than 3 minutes of voiced cutscenes, reading item descriptions and such for lore's sake. There's a nuance with every person's preference, it's not just black/white. Plus borderlands 3 story was just bad, even if you don't want to pay it any mind, much more if you compare it to 2.
Joey, if we're going to call The World Ends With You a Kingdom Hearts spinoff, might as well call Toy Story, Big Hero 6, Lion King, and all the Disney films and Final Fantasy games that has been worlds and had characters show up in KH in the entire Kingdom Hearts series a spinoff. TWEWY and Kingdom Hearts has different settings (TWEWY is in Shibuya, it's practically a character in and of itself), and the only time they had a crossover is in Dream Drop Distance.
He did call a few episodes back Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne Persona 3 Nocturne, he says things like these because it's easier to convey the idea to people who don't know a whole lot about the specifics but will get the main point, people do this all the time, in this case a game by Nomura Tetsuya with his heavy auteur motifs becomes Kingdom Heart spin-off because you can't get more Nomura than Kingdom Hearts and every weeb understands the aesthetics and themes of that series at a surface level.
@@FUUUcarlencio while I get that it is made for simplification, it does not exactly fit this particular comparison. The thing about it is that SMT and Persona are practically the same in terms of the combat system and gameplay loop (even up to their terminologies for attacks used) and for most of the games, its setting, with some calling Persona "a lighthearted, family friendly, advertiser friendly SMT", or SMT being tagged as "Persona, but dark and edgy". In this case, the resemblance is basically uncanny. However, TWEWY and KH only has Nomura and DDD as their common denominator, and nothing else linking them. Combat styles and gameplay loop are different (except for NEO TWEWY, maybe), location is very different (SMT and Persona are still situated in Japan), their power system are different (in name, at least), the conflict and narrative structure they have is different, among other things. It's just misplaced in this discussion.
I think Garnt would like the Trails series a lot since he's into story and worldbuilding so much. It's also a pretty good time to get into it since Zero and Azure are being officially released in several months.
@G Trails definitely has one of the good turn based systems. It's tile base so it's like Tactics(sort of, you have to mind your position and some attacks have set reach and aoe), the Crafts, S Crafts, Chain Crafts are really good mechanics. And the newer games isn't even completely Turn Based, there is still turn based but it's both not turn based and turn based at the same time
When I played Persona 4 I played on easy because I didnt want to grind for hours. Same with 3. But with Persona 5, combat was so fun, that I played on harder difficulties. I agree with Joey in 13:10
I'll compliment Connor for at least beating Tree Sentinel first right at the start in Elden Ring. Some people gave up on him not realizing he's optional boss. They should see the real tutorial boss, Ulcerated Tree Spirit.
While it was impressive. The reason I stopped watching was it was annoying to see someone being stubborn about it. And he admitted to it. Also insulting people that were just giving helpful advice. I mean if he plays every single optional boss. He will be doing this forever. 4hrs on a single optional boss is ridiculous. I was really confused as he "cheated" or used help for jump king. But didn't take it during the tree sentinel fight.
@@keodantes3907 Helpful advice???? That was nothing but people relentlesly repeating the same shit over and over again. He asked at the very beginng to let him fight this boss and backseaters kept repeating the same shit to no end.
@@Radiokillerpollo1 I wasn't there for the full 4hrs. But the last 3. Off and on. It's advice and was helpful. Idk what was repeated besides telling him to explore more, level up a little, get the horse and combat tips. Considering how souls games are, back seating is kinda a given. The community is built on providing guidance and tips. But also discovery of most things on their own. He kept being upset at dying or ways he died. So they likely felt the need to repeat. From what I could read it didn't seem rude of the chat. I never bother saying anything cause chat moves so fast.
FE3H uses new game+ feature which retains your school level and keeps your bond ranks with other characters which let you recruit them again asap. It's fair to say that FE3H's first half plays a large amount the same, but Connor didn't really look much into any of the post game stuff. Your average playthrough in new game+ is significantly faster than your first play through. I do agree with some of his complaints, but alot of it is misinformed.
To be fair, the first half of all three routes is exactly the same with slightly different cutscenes. It’s a slog having to go through that three times just to get to the actual cool part of the story in the different routes. His point does stand for Three houses, but not for bier automata. Play through 1 and 2 are largely the same but 3 is straight up a continuation of the story. It’s like playthrough 1 and 2 are actually the first half of the game and not really a full playthrough tbh
Grant makes the best sad faces. On a side note, they need to bring some random like Chris to play the game. I don't collect figures so I was super off when I was guessing too.
1:47:49 Joey handling the figure as if it was a new born baby and then Connor gets his hands on it and handles it like it has the durability of a Nokia 3310
100% agree, amiami's en branch is super good for getting new figures shipped overseas, they've been my go to for figures for the past couple years and i don't see myself changing anytime soon. Great prices, great support, super accessible for english speakers, etc. Hats off to them.
Meh I just followed Connor's non-sponsored advice and buy from yahoo auctions. It's usually the cheapest. There are a variety of services to let you browse in English and order outside of Japan.
Starting with the opening conversation on games, there's a difference in accessibility and difficulty, as people often conflate the two. The way devs and the masses think of difficulty is most often an adjustment numerically, as it would take a lot of extra work to recode enemy behavior to be easier/harder. Accessibility is mainly in enabling those who have difficulties outside the game itself needing help to even begin the experience, often those with impairments. These are often seen in option select, which in-turn are aptly optional, but allow for more people to play the game. Experiences are tailored to what the devs intend - if they opt not to have a difficulty select at the beginning, that's their choice. Elden Ring is legitimately the best example of a modern game without a difficulty select, where the difficulty is in what you decide to gather beforehand and choose to use during an enemy encounter - difficulty by choices in the game rather than in a menu before you've even started the game. I can sympathize with Conner not being able to beat the tutorial for Nier:Automata; when I first played it I didn't have the hand coordination to do what was asked of me. It took me starting over years later to get a full grasp of the controls, and it's now one of my favorite games of all time. I'd best describe the "endings" as multiple parts of a series, you can technically end at any point, but if you want you can/should continue with the other endings given how differently they play. Once I beat ending A I immediately wanted to know more, so I played B, which in-turn led to C. Honestly for the quality, those are some incredibly reasonable prices (at least for locally sourced figures), wish I had the budget to buy some of these. Maybe one day; that Cloud & Fenrir figure is SICK!~
Joey also did better than him in Jump King on first try, Connor is like Vegeta from Dragon Ball. Always overestimating himself and buying into his own hype only to then choke.
To be fair, he's never completed a fromsoft game before and he insisted on beating the tree sentinel before leveling up even once so he made it much harder for himself. Most of his dodges were really good, he just got greedy too much and spammed too many hits.
@@javierlopez5490 yeah but in this video he even says his only goal was to get the most op build and blow through the main story so idk if he just changed his mind or it’s just that it isn’t as simple as he made it out to be.
I remember looking at a World Ends with You figure similar to this one when it was open for pre-order since I was pre-ordering another figure at the time. Unfortunately, AmiAmi processes pre-order shipping individually, so international shipping would have 2-3x the cost of that figure in my area :(
For the record, in NieR Automata you only replay the first half of the game twice, and half of the second route is entirely different and the combat is different too. The other 2 main routes are all completely new story and content. Everything else is just for optional endings.
he is totally correct though. If a game has a good gameloop you'll replay it at some point just for the ganeplay, but Fire emblem's gets boring after a while
He makes a valid point though. A satisfying gameplay loop keeps you hooked and interested. That's one of FF7R's strengths. The combat was amazing. I love story-driven games yet I've reached a point now where I'm sick of having to play games that have supposedly great stories but terrible gameplay. I need both.
@@thewavyprince5691 He seems to be basing his argument on the notion that single player, story driven games can't have good gameplay. Maybe he doesn't care about the gameplay in nier, but that's subjective, and others might. I think that more often than not, Connor makes a point whether he genuinely believes it or not, and he argues for it just for views.
Garnt: what is the story in Jump King? I mean, have you ever seen a more wholesome love story? That guy is willing to jump through hell and back for his babe!
In defense of 'Fire Emblem: Three Houses' from a gameplay standpoint from someone who strictly plays FE3H for the gameplay (on the highest difficulty) nowadays lol: FE3H is obviously more known for the three dedicated routes and how the narrative changes depending on which lord you want to support, but something which is not explicitly mentioned a lot is that the whole cast changes as well, each coming with different strengths and possibilities in gameplay. For example: Blue Lions has a lot of Lance Users, Golden Deer has a lot of Archers, Black Eagles is hard mode, meaning that you have to approach the maps differently depending on the route (of course each route has its fair share of unique maps and equipment as well). Additionally to that, FE3H's class mechanics specifically are very flexible, therefore you have a lot customisation on how you want your units to turn out (and you can recruit other characters to make one run more unique too). The gameplay loop is what it is, but what Connor in this case forgets is that there is the whole aspect of *Gameplay Progression*. Of course the story gives a nice incentive to play each route, but for me personally FE3H makes self-expression through party compositions and unit building very fun and this is why I still enjoy this game even after 600 hours. It is the gameplay choices!
I would replay NieR Automata (and probably Replicant v1.22... to a slightly lesser extent) multiple times even if absolutely nothing changed. The fact that it both gives you new perspectives, progresses the story AND leads to one of the greatest 4th wall breaking endings in gaming history is just a bonus.
I hate it when people explain Nier as this.. The endings are just a gimmick, it's not that you have to play 4x times 10h but that you play a singular big game of 40-60h (100%ish), and the "ending" is just a design choice for creative entertainment purposes nothing more like imagine if witcher had 5 different ending each ending in the different mile stones: Velen ending 1# -> Novigrad Ending 2# -> Skellige 3#.. Like stylishly ending a volume
2:12 The beards are off for this one 1:21:01 Garnt costing this stream the monetization 2:05:39 Is that cheap? 2:15:40 Joey wins thanks to Bumblebee 2:20:25 Ultimate proof the Bois don't read comics
I feel Connor's pain, I died like 3 or 4 times in the late stages of the Nier Automata intro... They really should have added some checkpoints or sth. I powered through it myself and I'm glad I did because I enjoyed the hell out of that game, wish Connor could enjoy it too
Connor explaining the different game route is "just replaying" is like the multiverse theory and you going back in time doing something different. Sure, the gameplay's the same, but you get a different direction. It's still interesting to uncover mysteries and what-if's. It's just exactly like "would you go back in time to change one big thing in your life?"
So basically..... Joey: Just admit you don't like story-based games. Just admit it. Connor: NO! I'm a gamer. Games are either just shit or not, not about liking or preferences.
11:30 i think for souls games specifically, difficulty levels would kinda fuck with the game mechanics (beyond just “haha it’s hard so it’s fun”). that being said, i think ACTUAL accessibility settings are good for people with visual, hearing, or other impairments
Yea, it’s kind of sad that accessibility and difficulty are so it intrinsically linked that it’s hard to discuss one without the other. Any mention of difficulty options makes most Souls players have a collective aneurysm.
Yep, and it match joey's take as well. For souls game, peoples usually play it for combat, not story. We need to read tons of descriptions or watch explanation on YT to understand souls game story anyway, so easy mode is kinda pointless
“bruh why would u play the new souls game, it’s just rolling and attacking and all the same fundamental mechanics ” or “why would u play the new fps game… etc etc is basically his argument
@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 That’s just not comparable to what he said at all. He has a problem with games that expect you to replay the same exact gameplay and as you usually start from the beginning this means you also lose a lot of the depth that got added as the game progressed. So you are basically expected to play the dumbed down version of the game to get more story (either directly or after some time). He also clearly said he has no problem when a game is so good you want to replay it. He has a problem with games that expect you to replay them to get the “full experience”.
Honestly Connor is kinda right about Three Houses. It would be different if they actually each had unique maps, but so much of the game is reused between different routes (even in Part 2). It's made even worse by the fact that any unit can use any class (aside from the main characters, as well as the gender-locked classes), so most characters feel pretty samey. It's a good game, but it would have been better if they cut it down to two routes and put more work into each.
If we are talking about some superhard nes era bullshit game like "Ghosts and goblins" that forces the player to go through the same game twice,with minimal changes, in order to get to the real final boss, then I do kinda agree with connor.Because in this case,it gives me a feeling of unnecesary padding coupled with very little effort put forth by the developers. But if we are talking about replayability in RPGs like "Fallout:New Vegas",where many of the choices made by the players often have grave consequences that affect the different endings the player might see,then I disagree. It may also have more to do with the fact that each playthrough of F:NV I experiment with different kinds of character builds.
Had a dream I was in taken hearing Joey screaming "WHAT IS HIS NAME?!" Woke up here after youtube autoplay to Joey saying "What is his name? What is the name of the character?" About 256 times in a row while all the boys are just chilling blindfolded for 10 minutes. That was a werid experience.
Depends on your personal definition of chill, all 3 of the boys are very chill guys to me. Joey and Garnt are more or less tied and Connor’s the least chill (obviously because he plays it up for the camera)
Connor: you're a clown if you replay the game
Also connor: alright gamers, we're playing jump king again
He never said he wasn't a clown too
Connor can be a walking contradiction sometimes.
Also 5k hours of apex. He always plays the same stuff when I see him streaming.
@@Vulture2k playing a multiplayer BR is not that same as playing a story game. What you’re supposed to turn on apex once and never play again. Stuff like that, cod, league, csgo, are not really replaying you’re competing against new players in new scenarios every time. Plus every update they buff, nerf add maps and other things. So it’s different than replaying a story like he was talking about.
@@thewavyprince5691 except the prime example was Nier and that's not really replaying a story. It's different routes
Ludology vs narratology has been a thing for a while, Connor is just the type of player that prefers mechanic driven games rather than narrative driven ones. Can argue that having to go through different routes of Nier Automata is an example of narrative being pushed through gameplay, a style of story telling that only games can offer.
This is the very reason why I'm asking how he didn't find MH fun when it's technically what he's looking for
@@4rch0711 He does find it fun, the problem is Connor skips tutorial pages, and he doesn't like how MH dumps loads of information in one go. Which is a fairly stupid reason, yet a fair point for a new player in MH where old players already know core mechanics of the game, and would only bother with learning the new mechanics introduced in the newer games. Whereas in being a new gamer in MH, it'll be a drag to take in every bit of information you have to learn to fully be optimized, and I don't see Connor having that effort. Plus it's grindy, and we all know Connor's preferences about grinding in games.
@@4rch0711sorry but what is MH?
@@dimaswirawan4528 monster hunter
@@hanzolee1174 he's pretty put off in their MH stream last time. Such a great game, too bad he doesn't have the will to breakthrough the tutorial and experience the game's essence
Ashley was not taking shit from anyone today and I am loving it
You can hear the agitation in his voice increase every time one of them goes, "WHAT?" right after he mentions something.
i was actually looking for this comment lmao
@@yesimjoy2442 same lol
He was annoying and no wonder they kiced him out
how to be the most unliked person in the comments@@Xaphino
Watching the boys feeling the figures while blindfolded is absolutely hysterical. At least none of them were degenerate figures. Because they would’ve of been banned from Twitch for sure
Poor batman tho
@@ooochoa and bumblebee, garnt was really feeling up his knob
Joey and the among us doll keeps on going. Hope the dude is okay(not that aki does anything) I've seen that kind of attachment other places and unless he's on drugs(don't think so) there is something going on. Wish my best to Joey and the boys.
Edit: or he smokes cigs
th-cam.com/video/88zEYfd73lY/w-d-xo.html the sauce
@@at2398 what?
Cdawg drives me insane cause he's clearly the most knowledgeable gamer out of the three but he also has the most insane gaming takes I've ever heard.
Lol It’s really hilarious 😂 He reminds me of my friend, who is very technical and only likes certain mechanics of the game. If it entertains him enough, he’ll play it nonstop. If not, he’s done and moved onto the next. He does not like long drawn out stories with barely any game action, so he reminds me of Connor because they have that on and off switch with their attention span 😅
@@erika8349 they're usually competitive gamers. Which is understandable cuz they prefer the mechanical aspects and also the grindy enviroment those games offer. To each their own I guess.
@@erika8349 the thing i don’t get about that though is that im pretty sure if nier or most story games he doesnt like were packaged as an anime or a movie he wouldn’t be so against it but just because it’s on steam rather than netflix he can’t pay attention to it.
@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 the medium has a different connotation. With a show you have a different approach and expectation. He apparently he has a very rigid approach to games. When he puts a controller in his hsnd to play, he wants to play the mechanics. Story is in the way of the gameplay for him. For him the play aspect of the game should only be contextualized by story. In that field of science scholars are actually fighting whether story is more important or gameplay. (Ludonarrative dissonance)
Well he regurarily plays Apex. That should explain it.
underrated moments: Joey mentioning Aki every time something she'd like comes up
Connor: "You guys are clowns for playing the same game 3 times"
Also Connor: "Man I love playing Jump King and its DLC for the 6th time"
Also Also Connor: "I'm definitely not going to explore in Elden Ring"
*proceeds to explore for hours, reach Caelid then finally fight the first boss*
@@Congabanana he's the entire circus
@@Congabanana Tbf that's just the Elden Ring experience
@@sushijou Connor doesn't speedrun
@@Loguer boy do I have news for you
Holy shit batman's face while Garnt was feeling him up was just perfect. I haven't laughed that hard in years. I'm fucking crying. Lmao.
thank you for pointing this out, made my day!
2:02:51
@@P10er25 MVP
Just wondering if the full 24h stream will be uploaded to youtube?
yeah same i wanted to watch it cause i miseed the stream
Maybe later, 24 hour must be a pain to edit
@@moewu it’s still on twitch
@@Amongussy69 you sure about that?
@@shafisaif9103 Thats what they said on stream
I got whiplash going from agreeing with Connor about video game difficulty to disagreeing with Connor about nier and fire emblem
"You guys are actually clowns if you've played the game 3 times"
Also Connor: *played Jump King 3 times*
@@sushijou anything is a speed run game if you tried hard enough.
@@sushijou Dude Cooking Mama 2 is a speedrun game. At this point anything can be a speedrun man.
@@sushijou oh yeah I bet nobody does nier speedruns. That simply has never happened kappa
There is a difference between playing a game that is continually challenging vs the same game plus new cutscenes
I love how when it came to Neku, Joey was like confidently getting everything about TWEWY completely wrong
2:10:44 The way grant touches bumblebee's cannon plus the sniff is kinda sus😂
Classic jojo fan
@@tinybats452 this joke is cringe at this point, stop it
@@octaviosilva5808 Classic jojo fan
@@octaviosilva5808 Classic Jojo fan
@@octaviosilva5808 you can't say that with that pfp on man... C'mon
i love ashley cracking the whip to keep them focused and on time lol
Connor wants his kids to inherit the Jaw Titan
Dude that's a good one
Nice one
There is difficulty slider in dark souls. In all 3 parts you can join a covenant that turns off helping phantoms, increases enemy damage and decreases your weapons durability
Another difficulty slider: magic
@@anabenskywalker122 as an avid magic build user in Demon's Souls, I felt absolutely shafted in the Dark Souls series
@@HAJIMEDJ bro really using magic that’s just a cheap way to be a souls game.
@@thewavyprince5691 enemies use magic. It makes sense to be able to do magic back haha
@@HAJIMEDJ magic is literally the built in easy mode
In Nier Automata only the 2nd playthrough is similar, but even there you play as a completely different character and see their side of the whole events. The others are continiuation of where the story left off.
And casual gamers interested in the game won't know that, so they will just drop it after the first "ending". That's why its dumb to call the halfway point of the game an "ending" and roll the credits. Joey and Garnt should have just said that its not actually an ending, and the game just continues on normally after you replay a short part of the game with 9s.
@@masturcheef123 exactly, my cousin absolutely loves Nier but even he warned me about the so-called "endings" that they involved. He told me first that there were a fuck load of endings and when I intially felt turned off by that he immediately reassured me that they weren't actually endings.
and for the d and e endings you just basically get them immediately after c. if you wanted to make this criticism against replicant i can at least somewhat agree(though what you have to replay is less long), but even in route b in automata you get like a dozen new scenes and it still feels like the gameplay is fresh mostly due to hacking as 9s and cool a2 moveset
You still follow the same story beats tho. Maybe in the return to the mining factory section, where 9S has his own unique segment and boss, it’s largely the same. I get why someone would be annoyed. However, playthrough 3 is straight up completely different tho. The boys could’ve explained it better to Connor lol
@@masturcheef123 But when you get Ending A you get a message you need to press a button to dismiss that goes:
To all players,
Thank you very much for playing "Nier:Automata."
We have a special message for you!
This game has several different storylines that change each time you play. You have witness the "A route." but there are still many story elements and changes to the gameplay systems you have not seen yet. We highly recommend you play through again to witness the full "Nier:Automata" experience.
We hope you enjoy the rest of the game!
Sincerly,
Square Enix PR
I think the message is really clear about that you didn't saw the full story yet and that the first credits are far from the end of the game, so whoever stops after this is kinda at their own fault to miss most one of one of the most awesome games in existence IMO
i love that most of the comments are about connor's dumb take and less about the figures lmao
i love it when game devs put in the description of certain game difficulties "the way the game is intended to be played" massive respect to any devs who do that
like in MGR, hard is what platinum games intended as a normal
What if I dont care about what they intended? What if I dont have enough skill to paly trough what they intended? "Just dont play lol" What if i want to play that game anyways but the devs stupid decisions prevent me from doing it? High difficulty withotu any way to change is like microtransactions. On one hand you either git gud or gtfo, on the other you either pay or gtfo, no difference.
@@polterghost_ Nah, dude. Nah.
@@ECamp77 What do you mean 'nah'?
@@polterghost_ git gud
My nuts physically shriveled up and went back into my body when I heard Connor didn’t give a shit about the story in Hades, starting to rethink his outfit choice on the 24h stream. This man ain’t a monkey, he’s the whole circus
He's not a fan of stories in games
@@HouseMDaddict which is funny cause he said he didn't like borderland 3 because of the story, like specifically the story cause he also said he liked the gameplay.
@@vieris9893 as a long time massive borderlands fan, borderlands 3 couldn't have been much worse. Gameplay was okay, story was fucking garbage, and the majority of the borderlands community also agrees lmao. I literally went back to borderlands 2 less than a week after 3 came out and never really wanted to go back. Connor is 100% right with his opinion on borderlands.
He hates reading long story, period. He know some story because the game probably have 30 sec cutscene or the general objective of the game have a decent story/gameplay integration
@@vieris9893 You can like in game lore, like with short cutscenes and snippets, quest objectives, etc. But at the same time dislike reading a fck ton of unvoiced dialogue, sitting through more than 3 minutes of voiced cutscenes, reading item descriptions and such for lore's sake. There's a nuance with every person's preference, it's not just black/white. Plus borderlands 3 story was just bad, even if you don't want to pay it any mind, much more if you compare it to 2.
The opening scene really showed the bois playing with a Bumblebee statue, then each other
nice
Joey, if we're going to call The World Ends With You a Kingdom Hearts spinoff, might as well call Toy Story, Big Hero 6, Lion King, and all the Disney films and Final Fantasy games that has been worlds and had characters show up in KH in the entire Kingdom Hearts series a spinoff.
TWEWY and Kingdom Hearts has different settings (TWEWY is in Shibuya, it's practically a character in and of itself), and the only time they had a crossover is in Dream Drop Distance.
He did call a few episodes back Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne Persona 3 Nocturne, he says things like these because it's easier to convey the idea to people who don't know a whole lot about the specifics but will get the main point, people do this all the time, in this case a game by Nomura Tetsuya with his heavy auteur motifs becomes Kingdom Heart spin-off because you can't get more Nomura than Kingdom Hearts and every weeb understands the aesthetics and themes of that series at a surface level.
@@FUUUcarlencio while I get that it is made for simplification, it does not exactly fit this particular comparison. The thing about it is that SMT and Persona are practically the same in terms of the combat system and gameplay loop (even up to their terminologies for attacks used) and for most of the games, its setting, with some calling Persona "a lighthearted, family friendly, advertiser friendly SMT", or SMT being tagged as "Persona, but dark and edgy". In this case, the resemblance is basically uncanny.
However, TWEWY and KH only has Nomura and DDD as their common denominator, and nothing else linking them. Combat styles and gameplay loop are different (except for NEO TWEWY, maybe), location is very different (SMT and Persona are still situated in Japan), their power system are different (in name, at least), the conflict and narrative structure they have is different, among other things. It's just misplaced in this discussion.
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Hearing Joey completely misrepresent TWEWY as part of Kingdom Hearts is just painful
It was in KH:3D
I think Garnt would like the Trails series a lot since he's into story and worldbuilding so much. It's also a pretty good time to get into it since Zero and Azure are being officially released in several months.
yeah trails is great
@G Trails definitely has one of the good turn based systems. It's tile base so it's like Tactics(sort of, you have to mind your position and some attacks have set reach and aoe), the Crafts, S Crafts, Chain Crafts are really good mechanics. And the newer games isn't even completely Turn Based, there is still turn based but it's both not turn based and turn based at the same time
This stream is a gold mine for out-of-context clips. Hope they feel it right😅
Connor's take on replaying story-based RPGs baffled me.
When I played Persona 4 I played on easy because I didnt want to grind for hours. Same with 3. But with Persona 5, combat was so fun, that I played on harder difficulties. I agree with Joey in 13:10
I'll compliment Connor for at least beating Tree Sentinel first right at the start in Elden Ring. Some people gave up on him not realizing he's optional boss. They should see the real tutorial boss, Ulcerated Tree Spirit.
While it was impressive. The reason I stopped watching was it was annoying to see someone being stubborn about it. And he admitted to it. Also insulting people that were just giving helpful advice. I mean if he plays every single optional boss. He will be doing this forever. 4hrs on a single optional boss is ridiculous.
I was really confused as he "cheated" or used help for jump king. But didn't take it during the tree sentinel fight.
@@keodantes3907 Helpful advice???? That was nothing but people relentlesly repeating the same shit over and over again. He asked at the very beginng to let him fight this boss and backseaters kept repeating the same shit to no end.
I think if the real tutorial boss (spider one) doesnt have a fix cutscene he would try to beat that aswell 😂
@@gellal1 lol no health refills. I think he'd have no choice on that one.
@@Radiokillerpollo1 I wasn't there for the full 4hrs. But the last 3. Off and on.
It's advice and was helpful. Idk what was repeated besides telling him to explore more, level up a little, get the horse and combat tips. Considering how souls games are, back seating is kinda a given. The community is built on providing guidance and tips. But also discovery of most things on their own.
He kept being upset at dying or ways he died. So they likely felt the need to repeat. From what I could read it didn't seem rude of the chat.
I never bother saying anything cause chat moves so fast.
FE3H uses new game+ feature which retains your school level and keeps your bond ranks with other characters which let you recruit them again asap. It's fair to say that FE3H's first half plays a large amount the same, but Connor didn't really look much into any of the post game stuff. Your average playthrough in new game+ is significantly faster than your first play through.
I do agree with some of his complaints, but alot of it is misinformed.
To be fair, the first half of all three routes is exactly the same with slightly different cutscenes. It’s a slog having to go through that three times just to get to the actual cool part of the story in the different routes. His point does stand for Three houses, but not for bier automata. Play through 1 and 2 are largely the same but 3 is straight up a continuation of the story. It’s like playthrough 1 and 2 are actually the first half of the game and not really a full playthrough tbh
@@Ritsu362 I remember getting to the end of the second playthrough and being like "wait, there's MORE than just the 9S POV"
@@tllgestalt1942 a very nice suprise, no doubt :)
Grant makes the best sad faces. On a side note, they need to bring some random like Chris to play the game. I don't collect figures so I was super off when I was guessing too.
The part where Gojo, Moonstone and 9S went hands on with the figures was very entertaining.
Please upload the 24h Stream, It’s doesn’t matter if it’s come in parts. I want to watch it on TH-cam.
Same, after a week or a month it will be removed on twitch so I want to watch it whenever I want
they've said they're going to in multiple parts, but they're waiting for a streaming hiatus. I think April?
🅱️LEASE
@@Eksevis probably when Garnt and Sydney go to get married
Mudan mentioned during his stream that he and some others are working on it
1:47:49 Joey handling the figure as if it was a new born baby and then Connor gets his hands on it and handles it like it has the durability of a Nokia 3310
Ashley seems so done with the boys in this stream lmao
I actually love Amiami, great store. Really recommend for anyone who wants figures from Japan
_cut me some of the ad money pls? I need a mouse_
Never seen a sponsored comment before. The more you learn
100% agree, amiami's en branch is super good for getting new figures shipped overseas, they've been my go to for figures for the past couple years and i don't see myself changing anytime soon. Great prices, great support, super accessible for english speakers, etc. Hats off to them.
Ah a Blemishine enjoyer. I see you're a man of culture.
Meh I just followed Connor's non-sponsored advice and buy from yahoo auctions. It's usually the cheapest. There are a variety of services to let you browse in English and order outside of Japan.
14:42
"IGN Reviewer should be a difficulty"
So basically a difficulty that someone who doesn't have hands, eyes or ears can easily beat? Fair.
No, I'd say it's a difficulty for someone who doesn't have any of those, plus no arms and legs.
It just autos through everything like a movie.
I saw that Cuphead tutorial video. I was thinking to myself, "What's the qualification for getting this job again?" 😁
Reviewer difficulty is just the cutscenes
I thinks they should add auto battle function like in gacha cames 🤭
Starting with the opening conversation on games, there's a difference in accessibility and difficulty, as people often conflate the two. The way devs and the masses think of difficulty is most often an adjustment numerically, as it would take a lot of extra work to recode enemy behavior to be easier/harder. Accessibility is mainly in enabling those who have difficulties outside the game itself needing help to even begin the experience, often those with impairments. These are often seen in option select, which in-turn are aptly optional, but allow for more people to play the game. Experiences are tailored to what the devs intend - if they opt not to have a difficulty select at the beginning, that's their choice. Elden Ring is legitimately the best example of a modern game without a difficulty select, where the difficulty is in what you decide to gather beforehand and choose to use during an enemy encounter - difficulty by choices in the game rather than in a menu before you've even started the game.
I can sympathize with Conner not being able to beat the tutorial for Nier:Automata; when I first played it I didn't have the hand coordination to do what was asked of me. It took me starting over years later to get a full grasp of the controls, and it's now one of my favorite games of all time. I'd best describe the "endings" as multiple parts of a series, you can technically end at any point, but if you want you can/should continue with the other endings given how differently they play. Once I beat ending A I immediately wanted to know more, so I played B, which in-turn led to C.
Honestly for the quality, those are some incredibly reasonable prices (at least for locally sourced figures), wish I had the budget to buy some of these. Maybe one day; that Cloud & Fenrir figure is SICK!~
Connor doesn't want to replay a story game, but replays jump king everytime he falls
1:37:26 Joey gives pegging a try
2:02:33 Garnt gets intimate with Batman
2:10:10 Garnt gets intimate with bumblebee
The only important timestamps
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connor: I'm gamer elder ring is going to be easy
also connor: take him 4 hours to beat an optional boss
Joey also did better than him in Jump King on first try, Connor is like Vegeta from Dragon Ball. Always overestimating himself and buying into his own hype only to then choke.
To be fair, he's never completed a fromsoft game before and he insisted on beating the tree sentinel before leveling up even once so he made it much harder for himself. Most of his dodges were really good, he just got greedy too much and spammed too many hits.
@@javierlopez5490 yeah but in this video he even says his only goal was to get the most op build and blow through the main story so idk if he just changed his mind or it’s just that it isn’t as simple as he made it out to be.
That Connor take on replaying games almost upset me.
I remember looking at a World Ends with You figure similar to this one when it was open for pre-order since I was pre-ordering another figure at the time. Unfortunately, AmiAmi processes pre-order shipping individually, so international shipping would have 2-3x the cost of that figure in my area :(
Garnt and Ashley are emitting heavy father-son-energy in this episode
Connor's gaming takes hurt me on a mental level.
That batussy figure really had me repainting my room white the whole time it was on screen
When Connor loses: he gets mad
Joey: gets sad and angry cuz he doesn’t like competitions
Garnt: doesn’t care unless Connor wins lol
The amount of ways Connor is just dedicated to reminding me that he's part of the reason why games suck at story nowadays...
Garnt was really feeling up the Bumblebussy at 2:10:13
For the record, in NieR Automata you only replay the first half of the game twice, and half of the second route is entirely different and the combat is different too. The other 2 main routes are all completely new story and content. Everything else is just for optional endings.
My problem was that I played DMC5 right before Nier: Automata so I thought the combat was simple by comparison.
54:26 Garnt with the pen flip tricks
Joey and garnt playing story games like they're visual novels
My life span decrease whenever Joey said that TWEWY is a KH spinoff lmao
Ayyy the boys are looking fresh after the 24 hour stream
Hearing Joey say TWEWY is just a spinoff and takes place in the same world as Kingdom Hearts _hurts my soul._ Mostly because it's entirely incorrect.
I normally agree with Connor's takes, but his take on gameplay loops was absolutely absurd.
I duno man,maybe its time for cancel
he is totally correct though. If a game has a good gameloop you'll replay it at some point just for the ganeplay, but Fire emblem's gets boring after a while
He makes a valid point though. A satisfying gameplay loop keeps you hooked and interested. That's one of FF7R's strengths. The combat was amazing. I love story-driven games yet I've reached a point now where I'm sick of having to play games that have supposedly great stories but terrible gameplay. I need both.
I love how Connor's whole brand is having clown takes
Everything Connor said about gaming was right.
@@thewavyprince5691 100%
@@thewavyprince5691 so jrpg is shit is right too? and you are a clown if you replaying a game is right too?
@@thewavyprince5691 He seems to be basing his argument on the notion that single player, story driven games can't have good gameplay. Maybe he doesn't care about the gameplay in nier, but that's subjective, and others might. I think that more often than not, Connor makes a point whether he genuinely believes it or not, and he argues for it just for views.
@@peacefulbystander847 okay well that part I disagree with him but you really shouldn't have to replay a story 80 times to truly finish it or whatever
🤣🤣🤣when Garnt gets a zoom in during his fondle and then says, "girthy and big"
Garnt: what is the story in Jump King?
I mean, have you ever seen a more wholesome love story?
That guy is willing to jump through hell and back for his babe!
The out of concept clips from this stream were gold
Connor : "If you play the same game 3 times, you're a clown."
Me, who played Dying Light 15 times over 7 years : *awkward Garnt sip*
Connor: I've beat Jump King and it's 4 DLCs
Also Connor: Why would I play the same game with the same gameplay loop with just a small difference?
This was so fun 😂 and the last one where you all touched it together was so funny 😂
In defense of 'Fire Emblem: Three Houses' from a gameplay standpoint from someone who strictly plays FE3H for the gameplay (on the highest difficulty) nowadays lol:
FE3H is obviously more known for the three dedicated routes and how the narrative changes depending on which lord you want to support, but something which is not explicitly mentioned a lot is that the whole cast changes as well, each coming with different strengths and possibilities in gameplay. For example:
Blue Lions has a lot of Lance Users,
Golden Deer has a lot of Archers,
Black Eagles is hard mode,
meaning that you have to approach the maps differently depending on the route (of course each route has its fair share of unique maps and equipment as well).
Additionally to that, FE3H's class mechanics specifically are very flexible, therefore you have a lot customisation on how you want your units to turn out (and you can recruit other characters to make one run more unique too).
The gameplay loop is what it is, but what Connor in this case forgets is that there is the whole aspect of *Gameplay Progression*. Of course the story gives a nice incentive to play each route, but for me personally FE3H makes self-expression through party compositions and unit building very fun and this is why I still enjoy this game even after 600 hours. It is the gameplay choices!
Garnt groping Batman is a thing I never thought I'd see
That bumblebee figure is so sick. I want that
I would replay NieR Automata (and probably Replicant v1.22... to a slightly lesser extent) multiple times even if absolutely nothing changed. The fact that it both gives you new perspectives, progresses the story AND leads to one of the greatest 4th wall breaking endings in gaming history is just a bonus.
Here is a good luck for Mudan and their crew for editing the 24H stream
Clippers, the most glorious Garnt thing you'll want to save for your edit library is at 2:01:39
the way they were feeling up bumblebee was interesting.
Cutting to show Batman's disgusted face as Garnt was feeling him up was hilarious.
i actually felt like throwing hands when connor began speaking nonsense "You guys are actually clowns if you've played the game 3 times"
gotta love connor, the only maidenless one, calling garnt, one of the maiden-having majority, maidenless
They talk about Nier Automata as if Connor is actually going to pay attention to what's happening
Y'all there violated that bumblebee 😂
i was caught off guard by Joey's moan at the beginning.
I hate it when people explain Nier as this.. The endings are just a gimmick, it's not that you have to play 4x times 10h but that you play a singular big game of 40-60h (100%ish), and the "ending" is just a design choice for creative entertainment purposes nothing more
like imagine if witcher had 5 different ending each ending in the different mile stones: Velen ending 1# -> Novigrad Ending 2# -> Skellige 3#.. Like stylishly ending a volume
2:10:40 Bumblebee gets violated by Garnt
2:12 The beards are off for this one 1:21:01 Garnt costing this stream the monetization
2:05:39 Is that cheap? 2:15:40 Joey wins thanks to Bumblebee
2:20:25 Ultimate proof the Bois don't read comics
I feel Connor's pain, I died like 3 or 4 times in the late stages of the Nier Automata intro... They really should have added some checkpoints or sth. I powered through it myself and I'm glad I did because I enjoyed the hell out of that game, wish Connor could enjoy it too
Joey: Says this is going to be hard.
Also Joey: Get's basically all of them right.
Connor explaining the different game route is "just replaying" is like the multiverse theory and you going back in time doing something different.
Sure, the gameplay's the same, but you get a different direction. It's still interesting to uncover mysteries and what-if's.
It's just exactly like "would you go back in time to change one big thing in your life?"
17:34 And THAT's how E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy was born.
Your legs are OK...
So basically.....
Joey: Just admit you don't like story-based games. Just admit it.
Connor: NO! I'm a gamer. Games are either just shit or not, not about liking or preferences.
11:30 i think for souls games specifically, difficulty levels would kinda fuck with the game mechanics (beyond just “haha it’s hard so it’s fun”). that being said, i think ACTUAL accessibility settings are good for people with visual, hearing, or other impairments
Yea, it’s kind of sad that accessibility and difficulty are so it intrinsically linked that it’s hard to discuss one without the other. Any mention of difficulty options makes most Souls players have a collective aneurysm.
Yep, and it match joey's take as well. For souls game, peoples usually play it for combat, not story. We need to read tons of descriptions or watch explanation on YT to understand souls game story anyway, so easy mode is kinda pointless
damn, Joey's looking extra good here, love the new look😊
Not even 20 minutes in and my brain is melting from these takes.
Standing here I realize
Batman's near-scandalized expression fits perfectly with being groped that aggressively
"I didn't know you need to parry in sekerio" was actually the dumbest thing Conor has said on tape
Every person i;ve seen that struggled with the game didn't parry at all and still managed to get to the true final boss.
That's basically like going "I didn't know you need to use the main mechanic of the game".
01:17:21 should have been like the one where you get the numbers and have to reorder them, instead of filling them in
I usually agree with connor but my god that was such a massive clown-take on replaying a games, especially with how much hes played jump king
“bruh why would u play the new souls game, it’s just rolling and attacking and all the same fundamental mechanics ” or “why would u play the new fps game… etc etc is basically his argument
"Why play the new pokemon when you're just gonna catch the same pokemons you captured in prior games"
Lately they are all having some really weird takes, I never could've imagined that Connor would say shit like that
@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 That’s just not comparable to what he said at all. He has a problem with games that expect you to replay the same exact gameplay and as you usually start from the beginning this means you also lose a lot of the depth that got added as the game progressed. So you are basically expected to play the dumbed down version of the game to get more story (either directly or after some time).
He also clearly said he has no problem when a game is so good you want to replay it. He has a problem with games that expect you to replay them to get the “full experience”.
He only played Jump King once. After he finished it, he never play it again, except for the DLCs.
Honestly Connor is kinda right about Three Houses. It would be different if they actually each had unique maps, but so much of the game is reused between different routes (even in Part 2). It's made even worse by the fact that any unit can use any class (aside from the main characters, as well as the gender-locked classes), so most characters feel pretty samey. It's a good game, but it would have been better if they cut it down to two routes and put more work into each.
If we are talking about some superhard nes era bullshit game like "Ghosts and goblins" that forces the player to go through the same game twice,with minimal changes, in order to get to the real final boss, then I do kinda agree with connor.Because in this case,it gives me a feeling of unnecesary padding coupled with very little effort put forth by the developers.
But if we are talking about replayability in RPGs like "Fallout:New Vegas",where many of the choices made by the players often have grave consequences that affect the different endings the player might see,then I disagree. It may also have more to do with the fact that each playthrough of F:NV I experiment with different kinds of character builds.
Y’all have become my comfort background noise.
Had a dream I was in taken hearing Joey screaming "WHAT IS HIS NAME?!"
Woke up here after youtube autoplay to Joey saying "What is his name? What is the name of the character?" About 256 times in a row while all the boys are just chilling blindfolded for 10 minutes.
That was a werid experience.
For the brief Robin discourse in the chat towards the end: Tim's the best Robin.
Soo many phrases gotten taken out of context and i’m here for it HAHAH
I just realised that they are advertising these figures for amiami lol
Joey is the least chill, "chill guy"
Depends on your personal definition of chill, all 3 of the boys are very chill guys to me. Joey and Garnt are more or less tied and Connor’s the least chill (obviously because he plays it up for the camera)
@@moistcrusader2026 true
Connor: git gud
Also connor: i googled the optimised loadout in elden ring