That's what has to be eating at him,that he never got the chance to talk about it and wash the slate clean. If kurt could have seen through the heroin haze and realize that Krist really loves him.
@@exdemocrat9038 ridiculous.. many addicts don't even use drugs to get high. This is a misconception. Most addicts have mental illness and the drugs are the only thing that will cover it up & make them feel normal.
@@Starseedrisingg Not arrogant, it's the truth. When a person keeps getting high and doesn't clean himself he OBVIOUSLY thinks the habit of getting high is better than everything else in his life. HE KNEW that heroin would cripple him and make him a subhuman yet he kept shooting. Everyone makes choices and we keep moving forward with the choices we make. He knew the dangers of dependency and the hell of withdrawal, yet he CHOSE to start shooting H again. When the options showed up in front of him : a) living in that constant hell for months searching for his fix just to keep getting high a few times a day and b) cutting all that shit out of his life and living a great life with his family and friends with no chemical dependencies. He chose a, and shot himself (or got offed by someone else). So fuck Cobain you know? Good songwriting and singing , but a pretentious fucking junkie.
What a touching story. I had no idea any of this happened. Imagine being a passenger at the airport and you turn around to see Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic in a fist fight. So sad that this was the last memory he had of his friend. That's heart breaking.
For real??!! Like that would have been missed or no one recognized either of them??! Don't by in to this shit they're trying to feed us . It's bullshit!
And do you know, how it was, he saw Kurt again?? He,, meet,, his deat Body, his Head was fixed, and a Headscarf upon his overhead and Eyes! Krist hold his Hand once again! After this he was leaving, in his Car, turning on his Radio! All the Time, he felt this cold Hand of Kurt, he said, no matter how often he washt his Hand, this cold was not going.. And in this Moment he turned in his Radio, the Moment after visit Kurts Body, they Played,, BROKE MY BODY, HOLD MY BONES HOLD MY BONES,, from PIXIES! THIS TO STORYS, about Kurt and Krist, are so Heartbreaking soo cruel! Gid bless both of him! 🙏💕
I think Kurt had so many negative vibes and a negative outlook that his road required suicide. When you have an infant daughter and she cannot even keep you alive, it’s over.
@@douglaslang2218 unfortunately you are Truth... There was Something inside him UNHEALABLE.. Deepest Sadness, i dont know, but i think a BIG BIG Lost of Trust, many from his own Childhood,, Anyway God bless him
I think he accepted it and moved on, but it obviously left a big scar in his life.. Just imagine being a total misfit in a forgotten little town and the only thing that makes you happy is to play music with your friend in a basement, and then suddenly you and your band are one of the biggest musical acts in the world forever... That must be one hell of a experience and probably left a deep mark in your mind and soul
@@enriquepastor3626 - you can just see when he has to talk about it - he is still grieving. The happy go lucky clown part of him seems to have died with Kurt
I can’t believe this is the last thing Krist saw of Kurt in the end he was just trying to help him but we miss you kurt thanks for all you’ve done for us
Alcoholics and addicts don’t work that way > you can’t force the issue at all > it seems and is an emergency but it can’t be handled that way at all especially if it’s the first time someone is getting clean - I think Kurt was being used by a lot of people for selfish ends as that’s how the industry works but it was his will to be part of it > Pisces swim both ways ... opposing nature within
This is just such a sad ending for Kurt and Krist long time relationship. I can't believe they were hitting each other in the Airport. That's so crazy and tragic.
Krist is the man. Nothing but respect for the man who continues to carry Kurt's torch. Speaks of him like the person he was not the mythical characture he's been turned into
I don’t know. In that Sirius xm never mind anniversary thing with Jon Stewart I got a lot of laughs from the old krist. It’s still there. He’s just older and mellower
@@cheothegeo2742no man op is right part of krist died when Kurt died. Ya sure you can always have laughs , but krist became heavy since then. Coming from an original nirvana fan since 91
It’s so sad. This is what drugs can do to people and their relationships with others. I hope Krist is able to forgive and find peace knowing that the last time he saw Kurt, that it wasn’t really Kurt.
27 year later and his death is still being talked about, he is such a legend, I miss him so much, I hate the fact that I wasnt born when nirvana did shows
I do feel sorry for kids today that didn't get to experience this amazing band, and many others of the time period. No cell phones, people actually hung out and had conversations. Amazing music! It was a great time.
Yeah, nostalgia is good. Living in the past sucks. I tend to find people who have interesting or fulfilling lives don't spend their social time playing the "Remember when" game. I hear what you are saying. But there are a lot of bands that were just as good as Nirvana, still plying their trade today. I saw Soundgarden absolutely implode on the the same stage that 3 hours before heralded The Prodigy's explosion into the mainstream..... the EXACT SAME FESTIVAL!!! And I can tell you, we don't bang on about how we saw the mediocre and absolute travesty of a "giant" from that "Seattle Scene"... My point is this, there are new Nirvanas playing all the time. You won't find them on MTV or HOT97 (or whatever the yanks watch/listen to for the latest sounds). Don't get me wrong, it would of have been nice if I could of saw Nirvana. But I was under-age for the only gig I could have gone too. And the gigs/bands I have seen were just as passionate, and even better, than Nirvana. They were just unfortunate/lucky not to have a sycophantic cult build an image that in truthfulness probably isn't fully warranted. Put it another way, would people still be worshipping Kurt if he didn't blow his brains out? Hell, even the Rolling Stones are past their used by date, and surviving on the memories of rose-tinted glasses of a Boomer generation who are at their legal retirement age. I don't feel sorry for people who never got to see that amazing band. I feel sorry for the people who's lives are defined by seeing it ;)
Long time ago dude (interestingly its been the same amount of years since his death as he was alive on this earth) , I missed the only show he had at my home town as they cancelled
@@RogueBoyScout - which explains why Shannon Hoon’s death has made his band so beloved. Oh wait - it didn’t because they don’t have Nirvana (Kurt’s song catalog). Kurt’s catalog is the Rodgers&Hammerstein of rawk. Rivaled only by the Beatles. The suicide may bring people to the source - but the songs are what sustain the fandom.
It was truly everywhere in the 90s and we weren't wise enough to it. This generation can see firsthand what happens on the internet. Such a hard drug to beat and it sucks you dry of your core personality.
@@maxludlow6629 maybe my experience was unique, but I was well aware of the consequences of heroin use well before the 90s. My mother, with whom I'd had minimal contact with as a small child, came home to live with her parents (who had raised me) when I was 12 & she was trying to kick heroin. My bedroom was next door to the one she was staying in. They had one common wall. I will NEVER forget the sounds that permeated that wall. It was like there was a wild animal trapped in the room next door, wounded & dying, screaming in pain, pounding its skull against the wall, ripping its hair out, clawing at the doors & windows, trying to find a way out, begging to die in a low, gutteral tone that could not possibly be coming from a human being. She LITERALLY ceased to be a human for a while there. It understandably made a huge impression on me. Traumatized? Oh yeah, for sure, but the whole ugly experienced kept me from EVER even wanting to try heroin. I remember thinking to myself as I l lay awake listening to her suffering in the next room, unable to sleep with all that going on, "There is NOTHING that could make me feel so good that I would be willing to feel THAT bad. Nothing." Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, probably not most people's typical experience growing up. Hey, but I also remember watching Starsky & Hutch when I was a kid, & there was one episode where Starsky got all strung out on heroin working undercover to infiltrate some drug kingpin's ranks, & it showed a fairly accurate depiction of heroin withdrawals, albeit tamed down for primetime television. I'm sure there were other depictions of heroin addicts in movies & on TV back then. Maybe you had decent parents who didn't let you watch that kind of stuff. People been knowing what heroin is like for centuries now. Wasn't there substance abuse in his family too? He may not have known the full extent, but he wasn't clueless or niaive about what he was getting into when he started using. There were people around him that walked that path before him. I'm pretty sure that Andrew Wood had already died of a heroin overdose before Kurt had his first taste, not that the two bands fraternized, but I'm sure their circles overlapped somewhat. He knew.
The more you look into Kurt’s behavior in the days leading up to the suicide, the more you realize it was a suicide and not some Courtney Love conspiracy.
Courtney's behaviour and the people in that house around the time Kurt was dead there was odd as well at the time... I think there's more than we've been told.
@@minecrafterman2334 when u wait 2 hours to call for help in Rome and then before shoot him up with more CNS depressing drug recipe if that's saving him I hope nobody gets saved like that. She's like many money hungery hos, will spread for bread. She knew he was dead and where. She was heard telling Dylan to CHECK GREEN HOUSE by Rosemary Carroll. He didn't so she called Veca and told them to start on greenhouse Friday morning. Yes she didn't pull trigger but she knew where he was and he was gone. That's not a loving wife. Where was she during their anniversary? With Billy window shopping. Why was the pages of Kristen's diary she wrote in daily and backed up by cassette ripped out the week of his death but no other time is gone? Why did she give Det Terry's widow a chunk of change when he died investigating where the dope Kurt had came from? Why give a COD on live TV 2 hours after seeing the body when No tests was done let alone results back? Why sign Death Certificate a week later and no results was done including gun prints? They let Kurt be cremated in a week. That whole investigation was shit.
Dave Grohl and Kurt Cobain were very close friends but Krist and Kurt knew each other singe high school. Krist was with Kurt all the way through their band experience up until the end.
You can tell Krist hasn't fully grieved yet over his best friend. When he starts talking about how he shouldn't have done that you can here his voice cracking fighting back tears. RIP Kurt Cobain hopefully you found some peace now wherever you are now.
True, but I don't think it was the music industry that was the reason he killed himself. That was just an excuse Kurt put in his suicide note. The true reason he killed himself is because he was addicted to heroin and knew he didn't have the willpower to beat it. Interestingly he doesn't mention heroin or his addiction at all in the suicide note, suggesting his inability to beat heroin was more shameful to admit than his loss of passion for music (a side effect of opiate addiction). Touring also made it hard to acquire heroin, a further reason he attributed blame to music. The intervention made him realise that nobody around him was going to tolerate his problem anymore, and when it came to the crunch he would rather die by his own hand than lose his band and family, and be a very public fuck-up. At least by suicide he could be romanticised as a young dead rockstar, and avoid experiencing the inevitable public humiliation, rather than become a lonely, washed up old man that chose heroin over everyone that cared about him. He knew his life was about to fall apart publicly due to his heroin addiction, knew he couldn't beat heroin, and chose death instead. "It's better to burn out than to fade away"
@@SidCurtin-yi7fl Wow. That totally makes sense. Kurt was a silently prideful man, and would've hated to be humiliated. I'm sure the intervention humiliated him to his core.
@@thethirdtomas3 i've been on drugs and got out of it, Kurt was only 27 years old and a millionaire, he had not even had the time to really be a real drug addict by that age, and if so he might of prob been able to realize the prob and do something to stop the habit by maybe 30 years old, so what was the point of trying to tell him not to do drugs when everyone around him, "except his band members", was on drugs?? And who started this whole thing on, he had to quit drugs? I think there is more to the story then just trying to get kurt off drugs, shit makes no sense at all.
I was 13 when Kurt died, and as difficult as it was to accept that it happened, I would go on to lose many of my friends and family to drugs and suicide over the years; being a recovering drug addict myself, I am lucky that I made it out alive.
Same exact story as you, except I was 10 not 13. I lost friends to drugs and suicide over the years too, and I'm a recovering heroin addict myself. I can understand this happening... Kurt was not himself at the time. Was probably in withdrawals and/or fearing the withdrawals and acting out of sheer panic/desperation.
So Dylan, made a favor to his suicidal and heroin addicted friend (I guess he was aware of the Rome incident) and bought him a shotgun? What a nice guy! Super friend
@Nate Stephens Good one. I've read many of your comments, and I agree with you. Hope CL pays for what she did in this life but she better pack for the heat in the next.
@Nate Stephens True Psych Ward is unbelievable, Dr B knows her stuff, everything about CLs crimes, relationship with Frances, Kurt, the entire Isiah Silva case, court documents etc. You'll like it mate. Cheers.
Krist Novoselic. The great partner and the only true friend of Kurt's life. And one of the few who always tried to save him until the last moment. And a unique bassist. Respect.
Might've been why Krist seems so sad now, he probably felt immense guilt when founding out Kurt was dead, it's like arguing with your brother and then he dies a few days later, I'm sure that Kurt wasn't angry with Krist anymore, I'm sure he wasn't annoyed with him in his last days.
As a former heroin addict myself, I can understand this happening. Kurt was not himself at the time. Was probably in withdrawals and/or fearing the withdrawals and acting out of sheer panic/desperation. Kurt already had anxiety issues and heroin withdrawals amplifies existing mental health issues like that exponentially. I also have anxiety and I can say the heroin withdrawals I went through were the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
@@tomcarl8021 Brah, I'm just posting my personal experience. It doesn't make sense to say you could have known I was a former heroin addict before I posted it
I never heard that story of Krist’s last memory with Kurt. That must be really hard for Krist that his last memory with Kurt was him punching him in the face and running away after having to fight him and while he unsuccessfully tried to get Kurt to Los Angeles for rehab is heartbreaking. What makes this more heartbreaking is that Kurt was like a like a little brother to Krist and he had that for a final memory with his longtime best friend
If that really happened at an airport, how come no one on earth ever talked about being a witness to seeing the biggest band on the planet at that time going to blows in an airport terminal? Not saying it didn't happen because i wasn't there, but does seem kinda iffy.
Right, I was 25 when kurt passed away, and I definitely don't view him as this god like mythic figure, I actually met kurt, krist and Chad in 1989 in my hometown of Cincinnati when they played at murphys pub when i was a student at UC. I see him as a super talented musician who died too soon. But to my kids, they find it hard to believe that he really existed. My oldest was 3 when he passes and my youngest was born in ' '96. Its crazy how generations view famous people who have passed away.
Krist is a big man with even bigger heart.This is that Croatian side in his upbringing. Definitely Kurt's best friend, and it's very sad that he couldn't help him in the end. Much closer to Kurt than everyone around him, everyone took advantage of Kurt. His talent, fame and money. Even other members of the band. Everyone used him except Krist . 'Courtney Love Kurt's Money' - that's graffiti in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia where Krist was in '93. in an alternative club where I was a DJ, and he came to get a little away from the fans in my DJ booth. And he stayed with me until the end. He was very modest and funny. We drank bad beer, he really liked the kind of music I played and he insisted that we speak in Croatian - which was hilarious to me. Great guy!
Krist was right when he said Kurt literally could’ve done almost anything with his life. Even if he got a divorce he still would’ve had enough to live 5 lifetimes over on royalties. Seems like his drug use altered his mind completely.
Kurt's drug use was all that did matter during the last few months of his life. I am no expert and never met Kurt, but I know severe heroin intimately. Comparitively speaking, the only difference between Kurt's addiction and every other heroin addict is, simply, he did not have beg money to support it.
@@Daneiladams555 I wouldn’t say murdered probably like Cali went and got him high , too high. He died , he didn’t tell anyone made it look like a suicide. Boom. Everyone’s happy and gets the shares of his money.
This has to be the worst last goodbye in history… what a huge trauma for Krist, I’m so sorry for him. He’s the last guy in the world that deserved this 😢
Right? In Seattle, this would have been big news, considering these two were the most famous people on the planet during this time. You can't just brawl at the airport in front of a bunch of onlookers when you are KC and KN and have nobody hear anything about it until 20 years later. Especially because of what ended up happening to Kurt on April 5th, 1994, just a few days later. This story is sus
Heavier than heaven might as well be the gospel according to Courtney Love. In every interview of Krist I've seen he never directly talks about it, like he never even mentions killed himself just that he shouldn't have done that, almost like he still hasn't processed and accepted what happened or something else went down that led to Kurt being killed, but he's bound by the non disclosure agreement with Courtney Love
WoW, I've never heard that story, I knew Krist was pretty angry about the very end. Who wouldn't considering how close they were. Shit they went to High School together. Their relationship was so deep. It's just makes me cry knowing what actually happened the last time they saw each other. I'm sure Krist thinks about that every single day. That's tragic...smh
@Kath Octogon Did they go to the same High School? Someone told me that years ago. That's just such a brutal way for your last experience with someone who you love so much.
There's more to this story. When Kurt went missing from rehab, Krist went looking for him and couldn't find him. After, Kurt was found, MTV stuck a camera in his face. The raw devastation was heartbreaking to watch. The tabloids released pictures with Kurt and the band with guns. It was very sad and tragic.
@@annaiorio4543 I was only 11 when Kurt passed away, but it's always stayed with me. Once I srarted putting time into researching about his death, it just for me, never made sense that this was a suicide at all. Yes regarding Krist, I can't begin to imagine how he coped.
I wasn't even alive when Nirvana started or ended and yet I feel upset everytime i listen to Nirvana because i struggle with the idea that Kurt Cobain is dead. I would do anything to meet him or go to one of his concerts.
That really hurts my heart. I can’t believe that in all the years since it happened, I’ve NEVER heard this story before. It’s no wonder Krist has always seemed so wounded since Kurt’s death. That’s my quota of sadness for the week. Gonna go curl up in a corner now. 😖
The dude who wrote that book of which this information comes from got all of his info from Courtney love. Last I heard, last time Kurt and Krist interacted was on the phone.
I know...a knock down, drag out at the airport? Kurt running screaming " f**k you!" at any paranoid airport...Where was SECURITY? And no one with a cell phone caught video of this spectacle whether they knew of Kurt Cobain or not??? Sounds like a whopper to me! Who is the source of this story? With all due respect, where did you find this tid bit, channel? Why would Krist lie about this? What's going on here?
@@joleneloveland2942 the source is a book by Charles Cross who was a Nirvana biographer, it is called Heavier than heaven. Imho, this is really paranoic. If Kurt didn't want to fly to LA so much he would never sit into the car. It doesn't make any sense to sit into a car and then open the door and try to get out while the car is moving. If it's true then Kurt really was in a terrible condition but he would not wait several days to die then. I don't believe he killed himself.
I think everyone forgets social media and the internet was not a huge thing. Unless it was MTV or One of the rock magazines you didn't hear much. Yea his death was big but rock stars fighting... tad common honestly
“Heartbreaking” doesn’t even begin to describe the emotional gravity of such a tragic event. I truly feel for Krist. That had to be absolutely awful. He did his best to be the best friend he knew how to be and got physically attacked and probably scarred for life in some sense after Kurt died.
He does make a great point that Kurt could have almost literally done anything he wanted. So many like myself wish they had even a whiff at financial freedom like that. No matter, it's so sad this dude's rock bottom was what it was. This story only reminds me of so many other drug related fights. He was clearly not ready to get clean but needed it in a bad way.
I have a feeling Krist deep down also knows he didn't suicide but is very afraid to tell. CL is such a hypocrite to organize an intervention while being on heroin herself.
@Nate Stephens honestly he is quite intelligent. Now he's dabbling in politics, but he was always interested in them considering what was going on with Croatia (where his family is from)... just watch some interviews with him. He's not dumb by any stretch of the imagination just because he doesn't support some dumb conspiracy.
You are referring to Dylan Carlson? He's super shady as well. You should join the "Kurt Cobain was murdered" group on Facebook. There's quite a few of them that go very deep into Kurts murder.
Damn, that's sad. I never knew that. I had a vaguely similar experience with a very good friend and it's been bothering me a lot, lately. Wishing I could have done something different to make it turn out differently, and maybe he'd have been able to stick around if I did. He'd be dead by now, I'm pretty sure, but he could have died out here with us instead of leaving.
I recall reading that part of the book and feeling like I've been kicked in the stomach while lying on the floor. It's so sad for Krist to have that as the last memory of his friend.
Imagine if there were smart phones during Kurts days. Him and Krist rolling around on the airport floor beating the hell out of each other would be all over the internet.
Wish Kurt didn’t take the cowards way out. Krist was right when he said he could’ve done anything. I’ve been a believer in the conspiracy theories but it’s kinda hard to trust any of that after hearing what his best friend had to do. Rip Kurt anyway.
Do you think the airport fight happened with nobody noticing it? Kurt running and cursing and Security never even noticed as paranoid as airports are now. Really?? Sounds like a total fish story to me.
@@Ludeguy83 who knows kurts been dead longer than he was alive for. Whatever happened it’s too late to really get to the bottom. Unless Courtney confesses on her deathbed, we’ll probably just believe the “story”.
Yeah, he tries to get as much money as possible on stories about Kurt. He believes he knows everything about Kurt or his version of Kurt's biography is the most correct one.
Yeah... - 👹Courtney👹 told Charles what to write in that book word for word I don't believe a word of it! Courtney is incapable of ever telling the truth!
Regarding the airport fight, I suspect Cobain wouldn't have had any animosity towards Novoselic in the long run. Cobain was in full blown self destructive crisis mode. Krist tried his best at the time and was a good friend who didn't bail when things got rough.
@Generic Name Fuck man, it honestly makes me feel so sad thinking about how much better things could of been... The whole Nirvana left, still has not been filled by any other band since.
When I was younger, I used to be in on the Courtney had Kurt killed camp. The older I get and the more I learn the more It seems pretty obvious that the guy was in a lot of physical and mental pain and killed himself.
If I was Krist I would know I did EVERYTHING possible to save my friend and band mate. I’ve lost many friends to drugs and the only ones I regret are the ones I didn’t do anything to save. Ultimately you can’t save someone from themselves.
When your addicted to ANYTHING, YOU ALONE have to want to quit and move in the right direction, NO ONE can tell you to stop and most of the people telling Kurt to stop where hypocrites as they were just as addicted as him, especially his lovely wife...😏
Yes, and their intelect was very altered by drugs, that's why they all made bad choices and it led to this sad end: Carlson may never bought that gun, Courtney should came back earlier from L.A, etc....
@@jebstuart4004 and maybe mark Lanegan woulda answered Kurt’s phone call that fateful day but instead Lanegan was high on heroin. Heroin robbed The whole Seattle scene.
Krist might have felt he wouldn't ever see Kurt again, but it wasnt because of their fight they had because Kurt didnt want to go to rehab or what might happen if he didn't. I imagine Kurt was still smarting because his good friend Krist participated in a bogus intervention by CL when she was probably more addicted at the time than Kurt.. i imagine Kurt saw it as a betrayal. So he went to rehab fully knowing that he probably would not stay. In his mind i think he was finished with everyone who participated in the intervention. When you quit a substance you have to be ready to do it and to do it for no one but yourself or it will not happen. Im sure he felt betrayed by his closest people falling into CL's hypocritical agenda. When he leff rehab he clearly had a plan as he purchased 2 air fares for a future date out of Seattle. I think he had plan and was planning a new start in his life. I think that's what Krist was picking up on. Kurt envisioned a new start that did not include him. It was strange behavior on Krist's part seeing how he and Shelley wouldnt even attend his wedding because they did not approve of CL. But then he aligns himself with her on a bogus CL intervention. Would you not see that as a betrayal?
interesting, but i think that it s more simple than that. Kurt did not want to stop drugs like most junkies. His intelect was very altered by heroin. If you add that he was fed up for a lot of reasons ( personal life, health problems, celebrity etc). i suppose that he choose to die to live the imortality. the 27's club. Drugs and his near death expérience in Rome helped a lot.
"...he could lived in a uhh uhh. . he could have done anything he wanted to do.." i wonder what Krist was wanting to say there, but held back a little.. heart breaking story
I think he knew Kurt didn't want to be a famous rockstar anymore. But felt really pressured so kept performing. I think Krist was just expressing how Kurt could have done anything he wanted and that would have maybe changed Kurt's life. Just an opinion. Feel for Krist
He could have lived in uhh..uhh a castle or in another country. Then he goes on to say it all was such a media spectacle. So youre gonna tell me that there was no media at the airport where a true spectacle took place? No average Joe who would have taken cell video of this fracas to sell to the media? And Security at the arport just said 'nevermind, that's just Krist and Kurt messing around' when there are security cameras planted all over that airport that surely would have caught that disturbance??
Damn, that hurt hearing that. After Kurt died, I never read or watched anything about Nirvana or Kurt, I Just blocked it all out. Only now after all these years am I starting to hear stories like this. Miss you heaps Kurt, If it wasn't for Nirvana's music I reckon I wouldn't be here right now...
I feel bad that happened to Krist Novoselic, he was a great friend to Kurt and never deserved that, Kurt was probably having severe heroine withdrawals making Kurt aggressive towards Krist, it's not an excuse for that kind of behaviour though.. heroine withdrawal are clearly no laughing matter though, sorry that happened to you Krist Novoselic.. You were just trying to help him..
No, he was probably just overwhelmed and thats why he got so upset and aggressive. I don't think he was withdrawing, just emotionally probably a wreck.
Wow I did not know this happened between them. That is so sad. Id always thought the jack in the box thing where kurt went to have Krist unknowingly to his dealer.
Krist never actually told these stories, i can't find any of it somewhere's, it's all 2nd hand stories... why would kurt use krist to drive him places, kurt was a millionaire, he could of just took a cab or a limo anywhere's he went if he didn't want anyone to know he was buying drugs... i've had friends like that, but they were broke and needed a drive to score... definitely not millionaires 🤣🤣
Krist never actually told these stories, i can't find any of it somewhere's, it's all 2nd hand stories... why would kurt use krist to drive him places, kurt was a millionaire, he could of just took a cab or a limo anywhere's he went if he didn't want anyone to know he was buying drugs... i've had friends like that, but they were broke and needed a drive to score... definitely not millionaires 🤣🤣
I think Krist is sad because Kurt left him lonely and he was at first mad that Kurt could be "selfish" to leave him on earth alone, I feel like they were soulmates. Not romantically but a soulmate is a person with whom one has a feeling of deep or natural affinity. This may involve similarity, love, romance, platonic relationships, comfort, intimacy, spirituality, compatibility and trust. And the fact that Kurt could do such a thing without thinking how this will affect Krist made Krist depressed and changed him forever because he doesn't have his other half with him. Saying I'm sorry for his loss means nothing it's just a reminder ik how it feels and he just likes to talk about the good times with Kurt because reminiscing on fond memories is a lot healthier than talking about his death and the impact it had
Because Gold Mountain Management wanted Kurt to go back to rehab to force Nirvana to go back on tour. It was all about the money to Krist and Kurt was done. Your story is wrong... Kurt escaped Exodus and came back and that's when Krist tried to force Kurt to go back to rehab was when he came back from Exodus and yeah Kurt beat Krist's ass in an airplane terminal and ran off and that would explain one of the 2 tickets that Kurt was in possession of when they found his body. But let me ask you a very important question Mr. Narrator: If Kurt was so "suicidal" and "depressed" all of the time then why did he wait until April 5th to take his own life instead of just killing himself on March 30th when he got the gun? The gun was purchased as a means of security for Kurt simply until he could use that other plane ticket to go to Los Angeles to go to Michael Stipe (that's where the other plane ticket comes in that Kurt was in possession of when they found his body) The quote unquote "suicide note" was a resignation letter to all the fans of Nirvana and the members of Nirvana at the time to let them know that Kurt was done! It was to let them know that he didn't want to play music anymore because playing and writing music wasn't fun anymore and when something fun becomes work that's when it's no longer fun. I really could go on and on about all of this but if you've watched Soaked In Bleach you'll see the damning evidence that proves Kurt Cobain was murdered and one of those pieces of evidence is the fact that the spent shotgun shell was on the opposite side of the room that it was supposed to eject from the shotgun (and that's the biggest tell that this was a murder made to look like a suicide) the other damning piece of evidence is the fact that Courtney tried to hire El Duce to kill Kurt Cobain for $50,000 and make it look like suicide and I remember watching the documentary because even he said that: "she said to blow his fucking head off and make it look like suicide" The fact that both Courtney and Kurt had the same lawyer or attorney would signify that she knew that Kurt was in the process of rewriting his will and writing Courtney out of it and that would also mean that Courtney knew that Kurt wanted a divorce and that he was done being the puppet that she wanted him to be. The fact that such a significant quote unquote "suicide note" would be planted in a flower pot with a pen through it and I used the word planted as a pun not necessarily as somebody put it there because the last four lines of that note actually lined up to the alphabet both upper and lowercase that Courtney mimicked from Kurt's journal that was in her backpack that was left at Rosemary Carol's house along with a to-do list and the big thing on that paper said to get arrested and it was underlined three times. We know about the backpack that got left at Rosemary Carol's house because she contacted Tom Grant when she noticed that Courtney left a bag there. We could also talk about the fact that this probably isn't the first time the mention of suicide was in the air when it comes to Kurt Cobain. Many people look at what happened in Rome as a suicide attempt and it was actually the first attempt on Kurt's life in the form of a rohypnol overdose... Courtney and Cali were present when that happened. Kurt would say later that Rome wasn't a suicide attempt and that's all he would say. If you go back even further then you will understand why Kurt locked himself in a hotel bathroom with a gun and that was because he was afraid of Courtney, and when I say you've got to go back further it's because when Courtney was married the first time she actually bullied her husband to the point where she would threaten to hire people to fuck him up if he didn't do what she told him to do and in one instance she actually tried just at the bed on fire while he was asleep. She would go on to claim later that the police gave her the shotgun from the crime scene which they are still in possession of this day but she would tell the world but they gave it back to her and she melted it down. But the big question for me is this; if someone commits suicide then why would you have the very green house where the supposed suicide happened torn down? Why would it be acceptable if you were such a concerned spouse to accept suicide as a cause of death in less than 30 minutes and the only time the homicide unit showed up was simply to identify the body as Kurt Cobain? Why would you claim that your bass player in the band Hole (Kristen Pfaff) was having an affair with the person that you were married to that was faithful to you and then that same person that you would claim was having an affair with your husband would be found dead right after your husband was? Why would you pay your live in nanny and ex-boyfriend $30,000 after your husband was found dead and you inherited all of their money before he went to California himself? And for the sake of irony you've got to remember that she wanted Dylan to go to the greenhouse to look for Kurt and Dylan refused to but Dylan never mentioned once to Tom Grant that there was even a greenhouse above the garage... Here's where the irony comes in; the whole reason Kurt even needed that shotgun with for security and ironically it was Gary Smith who was there to install a security system who found Kurt Cobain dead? A lot of people talk about Allen Wrench and I don't think such a person exists. I believe that they only people that were involved were Dylan Carlson and Cali DeWitt, I believe that Dylan was the one who spiked Kurt's drink with rohypnol and I believe that it was Cali who got down on one knee and put the shotgun in Kurt's mouth and pulled the trigger and when he pulled the trigger the bird shot that was in the shotgun actually got lodged in the roof of Kurt's mouth and that's when the lethal dose of black tar heroin was shot into Kurt's arm. And as an added bonus after Kurt supposedly shot himself in the mouth and then supposedly shot himself up with a lethal dose of heroin, he supposedly had enough energy without spilling a drop of his own blood to reach over pull down his sleeve where the injection site was and put the needle back in the box. A lot of people believe that Kurt pulled out his own wallet pulled out his ID card and made it visible with the belief that he blew his own head off for identification but that wasn't the case, the police who arrived at the scene after the electrician found Kurt Cobain's body... Police officers pulled out his ID card as you have seen in the crime scene photos. I know that Kurt Cobain was murdered and I have studied this case for 20 plus years and Kurt Cobain will never get the Justice he truly deserves because in the state of Seattle if a known junkie overdoses then it is automatically written off as a suicide and I believe that Courtney Love knew this and that's why it took them only 30 minutes to rule his death out as a suicide. I don't really trust anything that Charles R. Double Cross has to say because I'm pretty sure that anything he puts in a book Courtney has complete control over so to call himself a writer is a joke because writers write for themselves without letting others control the narrative what it is they have to say. If you look at the timeline of when Montage Of Heck was released then you will see that they released that one first before Soaked In Bleach simply because nobody's going to want to watch two Nirvana documentaries in the same year and Montage Of Heck was designed to make Kurt Cobain look like the villain and dehumanize Kurt Cobain to the point where he wouldn't have any credibility and people would just see him in another light. I don't think that Kurt Cobain would have ever made that story about fucking the retarded girl public because you've got to remember that Kurt was a feminist and he stood up for women and Nirvana has played several charities for the sake of being a feminist and being the voice of women who were afraid to speak up. And then you've got Courtney cussing at Kurt because Frances was crying and that made him out to look like a bad father so that was the design of Montage Of Heck and when Soaked In Bleach came out nobody watched it because by then Courtney Love had stripped Kurt Cobain of any human decency and it was designed to make people think that Kurt was the bad guy and with that design came the ability to finally have the public say maybe he deserved to die or good riddance. The Seattle Police Department is still in possession of film that wasn't developed from the crime scene and Courtney wants to speak for the public and say that no one's interested in seeing it because she's afraid of being incriminated but they're still undeveloped rolls of film from the scene in the possession of the Seattle Police Department to this day that will probably never see the light of day as long as Courtney keeps telling them that nobody wants to see it that it doesn't need to be developed... And she got her own daughter to go along with this and I guess for the sympathy of his daughter that that film will never see the light of day and that's sad. Your story has more holes in it than a condom from a gold digger to a millionaire. You have to go out and find the truth because the media isn't going to tell you the truth and you have to learn to read between the lines and you'll actually be able to see what's real and what's bullshit.
Glad I'm not the only one who believes and knows the truth when they can see it! You should forward this to the SPD, you can always send stuff and try to get the case reopened... This story is b Bull💩!!
Man I love your book, I mean comment. I agree with you 100%!!! Except.... I do think Kurt will one day get justice! I hope that Courtney, Cali, Jessica, & Dylan or whoever was involved gets what they deserve before I leave this earth!!!
Not only does Allen Wrench exist. He was in El Duce's band and there is footage of him joking about killing Kurt. For so much research I'm surprised you didn't know that.
I mean, Krist would manhandle Kurt if they got in a real fight, I love Kurt as much as the next person but Krist would destroy him, it's literally like a heavy weight fighting a fly weight.
What was the fight about though? Obviously there was a disagreement. Kurt was doing fantastic up until a key event a month before his death, he caught Courtney cheating on him. According to Courtney Kurt was so hurt he roofied himself and almost died......imagine how Kurt must have felt? He had no drugs in his system when he overdosed in March 93' so he got back on drugs after that. We really have to understand how traumatized Kurt was by divorce as a young child and he wrote about how he would fight to his death to protect Francess from divorce, then he finds himself in his worst nightmare. He caught his wife cheating and told her it was over and getting a divorce, she roofied him and tried to kill him that night. He wakes up from the coma and has to know he was drugged, at this point he must have gotten pretty scared. I think he got back on drugs to cope with the stress of the situation then Courtney used that to say she will take custody of Francess since he was on drugs, that's when Kurt burned the bridges with everyone. Why do people have to hear this from me? I might have actually believed Kurt killed himself they spun this narrative becaus there is logic in it. The thing is, this narrative doesn't exist. Not one person other than Courtney has said anything about cheating or divorce. I'll pretend to be Krist: Why do I think Kurt killed himself? He was doing so well then relapsed on drugs when he caught his wife cheating, he couldn't handle divorce or the thought of loosing Francess and took the easy way out". Now, doesn't that sound a lot better than Krist's reddit response? "Finally, one of the reasons I am convinced Kurt killed himself is that he purchased a .20 shotgun. Kurt was not interested in hunting birds or squirrels, he bought that firearm as a suicide device. Suicide is not rational." Seriously Krist? Kurt had lots of guns, the police confiscated them in a bogus claim by Courtney saying Kurt was locked in his closet with his guns and was suicidal, which she admitted was a false claim but they still took his gun. Google Kurt Cobain and gun, lots of pictures of Kurt with guns, pretty sure they were for home protection and not hunting .....Krist should know that. Even Dillion said Kurt was worried about intruders and it was for home protection. Kurt got roofied and almost died, of course he is going to protect himself. Kurt broke up Nirvana, lowered their cuts of the profits, and said he preferred jamming with Hole rather than his own band. If I were Krist my feeling would be hurt to hear that and I would be kinda pissed at Kurt, especially after he got back on drugs after getting sober. He may have burned his bridges with Kurt right before he died and I know Krist loved Kurt so that would be absolutely traumatic for him. I can see why he won't research Kurt's death, could you imagine the trauma of believing your best friend killed himself for decades only to learn he was murdered and he wasn't there for him when he needed him the most? He probably wants to stay in the reality where Kurt was an asshole bent on suicide and there was nothing anyone could have done to help.......but there was. Kurt needed a real friend, if Kurt didn't open up to Krist about the cheating and divorce then that tells me all I need to know......Kurt didn't trust Krist enough to confide in. If Krist does know those details and just keeping quiet that tells me a lot also. I want to talk to Krist, I want to explain about the cheating and divorce and I want to know his honest feelings on Kurt breaking up the band and lowering his cut. Krist might not know about the cheating or divorce, imagine what he would think to learn of why Kurt was so messed up near the end? It would make a lot more sense to him and maybe he can help get Kurt justice. I would love to see the day Krist and Francess get into the evidence of murder and sincerely try to get Justice for Kurt because they would make a huge difference.
@cross hatch2 Thanks I never seen that Iggy video. I completely agree and there are many x factors that get really dangerous for Kurt. First of all his goal was to sabotage and destroy the mainstream music industry from the inside, he wrote about his goals in his journals and also said pages and whole journals would go missing in hospitals, hotels, planes, and someone may have been gathering Intel on his personal thoughts and aware of his plans, he would make a lot of enemies. I don't think he was on Krist or Dave's good side at all, Kurt said they were very passive aggressive but sounds like things got really ugly near the end. He dropped the lollapalooza tour which would have cost a lot of people millions of potential profit, I would imagine he was under contract as well. Kurt was done with Nirvana and I would assume major labels as well, if he went solo the party would have been over for a lot of people. Then there is Courtney's Epstein connection and Courtney's fortune she can inherited from her Bohemian Grove member grandpa. I suspect Billy Corgan was who Courtney cheated on Kurt with, but what if it was actually related to her Epstein connection and sex trafficking? That could be veeeeeey dangerous if Kurt found out. Kurt was worth more dead than alive to everyone in his life, sadly even Krist and Dave. Actually, who did Courtney sell some Nirvana right to again? I'm gonna look that up, that is weird how there is a person or group out there still profiting off of Kurt that is not related to his family, I wonder if there are any connections with the record companies Kurt worked for? Edit: Mestel owns 25% of Kurt's share of Nirvana, a company that buys up rights to music, and the owner was the executive producer of Montage of Heck. Just wild speculation, but if someone in the industry wanted to profit off of Kurt after he died it would be through something like Mestel so there might be a lead there, it's always good to follow the money trail.
@cross hatch2 They seem sooooo awkward and lost without Kurt. Dave went from shy and introverted, to an extroverted drunken party animal. Dave comes off very insincere to me in every interview, like he only says what people expect to hear. It is interesting to think Dave already had most of the foo fighters songs written by that point. Kurt talked about them going in other musical directions, Kurt asked Dave if he could change the lyrics of his songs for Nirvana songs, I can only assume Dave declined. Courtney said in that recent post that Dave doesn't deserve any money since he was kicked out of the band, first I ever heard of that but it would make sense. Kurt called Dave's riff for scentless apprentice boneheaded at first and I read a story where Dave got offended that Kurt was kinda making fun of him on a plane, and Dave said he was always worried about getting replaced since Nirvana went through so many drummers. There were rumors Kurt lowered the rest of the bands split since he was the only one contributing to songwriting, I think that would be in response to Dave not allowing Kurt to use his future foo fighters songs as Nirvana songs, the logic makes sense. It's possible Dave got kicked out if the band but it wasn't official, then after Kurt died he was technically still in the band and got song rights, he took Kurt's place in the spotlight, came out of his she'll, and became the rockstar he probably felt Kurt should have been, soaking in the fame and loving the attention. Dave profited and benefited off of Kurt's death so much so that it should be impossible not to feel some level of guilt. I don't think Foo Fighters would have been nearly as successful had Kurt lived, Dave would always have been in Kurt's shadow. Now he is promoting vaccines and played dictator Biden's inauguration..........oh my how Dave has fallen from his punk rock roots and joined the system that Kurt was trying to destroy.
I feel so bad for Krist, he had to fight with his own best friend and later he would die.
That's what has to be eating at him,that he never got the chance to talk about it and wash the slate clean. If kurt could have seen through the heroin haze and realize that Krist really loves him.
Man, Krist did everything he could. Literally fighting to keep him alive. So sad.
Unfortunately drug addicts don't want to hear about it. They are only concerned about getting high.
@@exdemocrat9038 that’s such an ignorant statement to make
@@exdemocrat9038 ridiculous.. many addicts don't even use drugs to get high. This is a misconception. Most addicts have mental illness and the drugs are the only thing that will cover it up & make them feel normal.
@@Starseedrisingg Not arrogant, it's the truth. When a person keeps getting high and doesn't clean himself he OBVIOUSLY thinks the habit of getting high is better than everything else in his life. HE KNEW that heroin would cripple him and make him a subhuman yet he kept shooting. Everyone makes choices and we keep moving forward with the choices we make. He knew the dangers of dependency and the hell of withdrawal, yet he CHOSE to start shooting H again. When the options showed up in front of him :
a) living in that constant hell for months searching for his fix just to keep getting high a few times a day and
b) cutting all that shit out of his life and living a great life with his family and friends with no chemical dependencies.
He chose a, and shot himself (or got offed by someone else). So fuck Cobain you know? Good songwriting and singing , but a pretentious fucking junkie.
@@Starseedrisinggwell it’s not that far from the truth but it did come out kinda insensitive and BS
What a touching story. I had no idea any of this happened. Imagine being a passenger at the airport and you turn around to see Kurt Cobain and Krist Novoselic in a fist fight. So sad that this was the last memory he had of his friend. That's heart breaking.
For real??!! Like that would have been missed or no one recognized either of them??! Don't by in to this shit they're trying to feed us . It's bullshit!
And do you know, how it was, he saw Kurt again??
He,, meet,, his deat Body, his Head was fixed, and a Headscarf upon his overhead and Eyes!
Krist hold his Hand once again!
After this he was leaving, in his Car, turning on his Radio!
All the Time, he felt this cold Hand of Kurt, he said, no matter how often he washt his Hand, this cold was not going..
And in this Moment he turned in his Radio, the Moment after visit Kurts Body, they Played,, BROKE MY BODY, HOLD MY BONES HOLD MY BONES,, from PIXIES!
THIS TO STORYS, about Kurt and Krist, are so Heartbreaking soo cruel! Gid bless both of him! 🙏💕
I think Krist is wise enough to see it as a symptom of Kurt’s illness and that he doesn’t take it personal.
I think Kurt had so many negative vibes and a negative outlook that his road required suicide. When you have an infant daughter and she cannot even keep you alive, it’s over.
@@douglaslang2218 unfortunately you are Truth... There was Something inside him UNHEALABLE.. Deepest Sadness, i dont know, but i think a BIG BIG Lost of Trust, many from his own Childhood,, Anyway God bless him
I feel for dude. He still hasn’t gotten over it. Was like his little brother
I think he accepted it and moved on, but it obviously left a big scar in his life.. Just imagine being a total misfit in a forgotten little town and the only thing that makes you happy is to play music with your friend in a basement, and then suddenly you and your band are one of the biggest musical acts in the world forever... That must be one hell of a experience and probably left a deep mark in your mind and soul
And obviously even more after how it all ended
@@enriquepastor3626 - you can just see when he has to talk about it - he is still grieving. The happy go lucky clown part of him seems to have died with Kurt
I think Krist is the one that loved Kurt the most out of everybody…
It’s 28 years later dude, he’s over it…
I can’t believe this is the last thing Krist saw of Kurt in the end he was just trying to help him but we miss you kurt thanks for all you’ve done for us
Alcoholics and addicts don’t work that way > you can’t force the issue at all > it seems and is an emergency but it can’t be handled that way at all especially if it’s the first time someone is getting clean - I think Kurt was being used by a lot of people for selfish ends as that’s how the industry works but it was his will to be part of it > Pisces swim both ways ... opposing nature within
it wasn't - the story is made up
This is just such a sad ending for Kurt and Krist long time relationship. I can't believe they were hitting each other in the Airport. That's so crazy and tragic.
Krist is the man. Nothing but respect for the man who continues to carry Kurt's torch. Speaks of him like the person he was not the mythical characture he's been turned into
Krist definitely changed. He was always a joker, on stage and off. He was like a comedian. But that Krist was gone after Kurt’s death
I don’t know. In that Sirius xm never mind anniversary thing with Jon Stewart I got a lot of laughs from the old krist. It’s still there. He’s just older and mellower
@@cheothegeo2742no man op is right part of krist died when Kurt died. Ya sure you can always have laughs , but krist became heavy since then. Coming from an original nirvana fan since 91
It’s so sad. This is what drugs can do to people and their relationships with others. I hope Krist is able to forgive and find peace knowing that the last time he saw Kurt, that it wasn’t really Kurt.
It was Kurt burning the bridge with his best friend and on his way out
27 year later and his death is still being talked about, he is such a legend, I miss him so much, I hate the fact that I wasnt born when nirvana did shows
I was, and it ruled
I do feel sorry for kids today that didn't get to experience this amazing band, and many others of the time period. No cell phones, people actually hung out and had conversations. Amazing music! It was a great time.
Yeah, nostalgia is good. Living in the past sucks. I tend to find people who have interesting or fulfilling lives don't spend their social time playing the "Remember when" game.
I hear what you are saying. But there are a lot of bands that were just as good as Nirvana, still plying their trade today. I saw Soundgarden absolutely implode on the the same stage that 3 hours before heralded The Prodigy's explosion into the mainstream..... the EXACT SAME FESTIVAL!!!
And I can tell you, we don't bang on about how we saw the mediocre and absolute travesty of a "giant" from that "Seattle Scene"...
My point is this, there are new Nirvanas playing all the time. You won't find them on MTV or HOT97 (or whatever the yanks watch/listen to for the latest sounds).
Don't get me wrong, it would of have been nice if I could of saw Nirvana. But I was under-age for the only gig I could have gone too. And the gigs/bands I have seen were just as passionate, and even better, than Nirvana. They were just unfortunate/lucky not to have a sycophantic cult build an image that in truthfulness probably isn't fully warranted.
Put it another way, would people still be worshipping Kurt if he didn't blow his brains out? Hell, even the Rolling Stones are past their used by date, and surviving on the memories of rose-tinted glasses of a Boomer generation who are at their legal retirement age.
I don't feel sorry for people who never got to see that amazing band. I feel sorry for the people who's lives are defined by seeing it ;)
Long time ago dude (interestingly its been the same amount of years since his death as he was alive on this earth) , I missed the only show he had at my home town as they cancelled
@@RogueBoyScout - which explains why Shannon Hoon’s death has made his band so beloved. Oh wait - it didn’t because they don’t have Nirvana (Kurt’s song catalog). Kurt’s catalog is the Rodgers&Hammerstein of rawk. Rivaled only by the Beatles. The suicide may bring people to the source - but the songs are what sustain the fandom.
I wish Kurt had not used heroin, this horrible drug is just destroying people
It was truly everywhere in the 90s and we weren't wise enough to it. This generation can see firsthand what happens on the internet. Such a hard drug to beat and it sucks you dry of your core personality.
But heroin people look 'beautiful'. Don't u see that.? 😅
It was only to numb his pain from various medical issues, mainly horrible stomach pain. :(
@@foundvhs nah, that's just an excuse.
@@maxludlow6629 maybe my experience was unique, but I was well aware of the consequences of heroin use well before the 90s. My mother, with whom I'd had minimal contact with as a small child, came home to live with her parents (who had raised me) when I was 12 & she was trying to kick heroin. My bedroom was next door to the one she was staying in. They had one common wall. I will NEVER forget the sounds that permeated that wall. It was like there was a wild animal trapped in the room next door, wounded & dying, screaming in pain, pounding its skull against the wall, ripping its hair out, clawing at the doors & windows, trying to find a way out, begging to die in a low, gutteral tone that could not possibly be coming from a human being. She LITERALLY ceased to be a human for a while there.
It understandably made a huge impression on me. Traumatized? Oh yeah, for sure, but the whole ugly experienced kept me from EVER even wanting to try heroin. I remember thinking to myself as I l lay awake listening to her suffering in the next room, unable to sleep with all that going on, "There is NOTHING that could make me feel so good that I would be willing to feel THAT bad. Nothing."
Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, probably not most people's typical experience growing up.
Hey, but I also remember watching Starsky & Hutch when I was a kid, & there was one episode where Starsky got all strung out on heroin working undercover to infiltrate some drug kingpin's ranks, & it showed a fairly accurate depiction of heroin withdrawals, albeit tamed down for primetime television. I'm sure there were other depictions of heroin addicts in movies & on TV back then. Maybe you had decent parents who didn't let you watch that kind of stuff.
People been knowing what heroin is like for centuries now. Wasn't there substance abuse in his family too? He may not have known the full extent, but he wasn't clueless or niaive about what he was getting into when he started using. There were people around him that walked that path before him. I'm pretty sure that Andrew Wood had already died of a heroin overdose before Kurt had his first taste, not that the two bands fraternized, but I'm sure their circles overlapped somewhat. He knew.
The more you look into Kurt’s behavior in the days leading up to the suicide, the more you realize it was a suicide and not some Courtney Love conspiracy.
Courtney's behaviour and the people in that house around the time Kurt was dead there was odd as well at the time... I think there's more than we've been told.
I hope they realize this is exactly why innocent people go to prison.
Exactly! And when he did die he was too fuckin loaded and make a stupid decision. Drugs totally robbed him of logical thinking. Sad ending.
@@minecrafterman2334 when u wait 2 hours to call for help in Rome and then before shoot him up with more CNS depressing drug recipe if that's saving him I hope nobody gets saved like that. She's like many money hungery hos, will spread for bread. She knew he was dead and where. She was heard telling Dylan to CHECK GREEN HOUSE by Rosemary Carroll. He didn't so she called Veca and told them to start on greenhouse Friday morning. Yes she didn't pull trigger but she knew where he was and he was gone. That's not a loving wife. Where was she during their anniversary? With Billy window shopping. Why was the pages of Kristen's diary she wrote in daily and backed up by cassette ripped out the week of his death but no other time is gone? Why did she give Det Terry's widow a chunk of change when he died investigating where the dope Kurt had came from? Why give a COD on live TV 2 hours after seeing the body when No tests was done let alone results back? Why sign Death Certificate a week later and no results was done including gun prints? They let Kurt be cremated in a week. That whole investigation was shit.
@Tom if you are right but still respect those who smell a rat for some who do are pretty intelligent
Dave Grohl and Kurt Cobain were very close friends but Krist and Kurt knew each other singe high school. Krist was with Kurt all the way through their band experience up until the end.
@Kath Octogon They met in high school.
Krist is the only human being alive to attend every single Nirvana show.
You can tell Krist hasn't fully grieved yet over his best friend. When he starts talking about how he shouldn't have done that you can here his voice cracking fighting back tears. RIP Kurt Cobain hopefully you found some peace now wherever you are now.
Krist you know you’re right. Kurt could’ve easily quit the music industry and just raised his daughter.
Yea so true he would have made a great father!
True, but I don't think it was the music industry that was the reason he killed himself. That was just an excuse Kurt put in his suicide note. The true reason he killed himself is because he was addicted to heroin and knew he didn't have the willpower to beat it. Interestingly he doesn't mention heroin or his addiction at all in the suicide note, suggesting his inability to beat heroin was more shameful to admit than his loss of passion for music (a side effect of opiate addiction). Touring also made it hard to acquire heroin, a further reason he attributed blame to music. The intervention made him realise that nobody around him was going to tolerate his problem anymore, and when it came to the crunch he would rather die by his own hand than lose his band and family, and be a very public fuck-up. At least by suicide he could be romanticised as a young dead rockstar, and avoid experiencing the inevitable public humiliation, rather than become a lonely, washed up old man that chose heroin over everyone that cared about him. He knew his life was about to fall apart publicly due to his heroin addiction, knew he couldn't beat heroin, and chose death instead. "It's better to burn out than to fade away"
@@SidCurtin-yi7fl Wow. That totally makes sense. Kurt was a silently prideful man, and would've hated to be humiliated. I'm sure the intervention humiliated him to his core.
@@thethirdtomas3 i've been on drugs and got out of it, Kurt was only 27 years old and a millionaire, he had not even had the time to really be a real drug addict by that age, and if so he might of prob been able to realize the prob and do something to stop the habit by maybe 30 years old, so what was the point of trying to tell him not to do drugs when everyone around him, "except his band members", was on drugs?? And who started this whole thing on, he had to quit drugs? I think there is more to the story then just trying to get kurt off drugs, shit makes no sense at all.
@@jimmywilliams4257 you explained this better than anyone one else
I was 13 when Kurt died, and as difficult as it was to accept that it happened, I would go on to lose many of my friends and family to drugs and suicide over the years; being a recovering drug addict myself, I am lucky that I made it out alive.
Same exact story as you, except I was 10 not 13. I lost friends to drugs and suicide over the years too, and I'm a recovering heroin addict myself.
I can understand this happening... Kurt was not himself at the time. Was probably in withdrawals and/or fearing the withdrawals and acting out of sheer panic/desperation.
Same here...
Lost 107 since june 2001
@@thecannaviking 107? What?
i hope youre fully recovered now.
So Dylan, made a favor to his suicidal and heroin addicted friend (I guess he was aware of the Rome incident) and bought him a shotgun? What a nice guy! Super friend
Carlson was on drugs too ! Everybody except Dave and Krist were on drugs. i m sure that their intellect was very altered.........
@Nate Stephens Yes, you are right Nate. Cheers.
@Nate Stephens Good one. I've read many of your comments, and I agree with you. Hope CL pays for what she did in this life but she better pack for the heat in the next.
@Nate Stephens True Psych Ward is unbelievable, Dr B knows her stuff, everything about CLs crimes, relationship with Frances, Kurt, the entire Isiah Silva case, court documents etc. You'll like it mate. Cheers.
@@iggysticky 🤣🤣🤣 Rome incident was covered by every medias back in 94. Even in the hole i live ! Impossible that Carlson did not know what happened.
Krist Novoselic. The great partner and the only true friend of Kurt's life. And one of the few who always tried to save him until the last moment. And a unique bassist. Respect.
Might've been why Krist seems so sad now, he probably felt immense guilt when founding out Kurt was dead, it's like arguing with your brother and then he dies a few days later, I'm sure that Kurt wasn't angry with Krist anymore, I'm sure he wasn't annoyed with him in his last days.
Very sad and hard to hear Krist say that, "Kurt could've did anything he wanted to do"😣😩
As a former heroin addict myself, I can understand this happening. Kurt was not himself at the time. Was probably in withdrawals and/or fearing the withdrawals and acting out of sheer panic/desperation. Kurt already had anxiety issues and heroin withdrawals amplifies existing mental health issues like that exponentially. I also have anxiety and I can say the heroin withdrawals I went through were the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
Tell us something we don't know.
@@tomcarl8021 Nah, I'm good.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Next you'll be telling us fire is hot.
@@tomcarl8021 Brah, I'm just posting my personal experience. It doesn't make sense to say you could have known I was a former heroin addict before I posted it
Good post, but the Cross is a very disturbing symbol
I never heard that story of Krist’s last memory with Kurt. That must be really hard for Krist that his last memory with Kurt was him punching him in the face and running away after having to fight him and while he unsuccessfully tried to get Kurt to Los Angeles for rehab is heartbreaking. What makes this more heartbreaking is that Kurt was like a like a little brother to Krist and he had that for a final memory with his longtime best friend
It's just heartbreaking 💔 😢
What Kurt never understood is that he was blessed with a brother like Krist.
If that really happened at an airport, how come no one on earth ever talked about being a witness to seeing the biggest band on the planet at that time going to blows in an airport terminal? Not saying it didn't happen because i wasn't there, but does seem kinda iffy.
because the murdered narrative has totally been debunked. Krist would not make that up.
Because this was pre-tmz
In the 90s he wouldn't be recognized like today. Maybe if he was somewhere with a lot of young people.
Kurt Cobain has left this almost god like legacy to the people like me who were born mid 90s who didn't grow up with him alive.
Right, I was 25 when kurt passed away, and I definitely don't view him as this god like mythic figure, I actually met kurt, krist and Chad in 1989 in my hometown of Cincinnati when they played at murphys pub when i was a student at UC. I see him as a super talented musician who died too soon. But to my kids, they find it hard to believe that he really existed. My oldest was 3 when he passes and my youngest was born in ' '96. Its crazy how generations view famous people who have passed away.
Yeah thats true , I'm born in 92 and I still can't٠ get over his death , I hope he is resting in peace
Waw that’s something I never imagined they went through c and k. Shockingly sad
Krist is a big man with even bigger heart.This is that Croatian side in his upbringing. Definitely Kurt's best friend, and it's very sad that he couldn't help him in the end. Much closer to Kurt than everyone around him, everyone took advantage of Kurt. His talent, fame and money. Even other members of the band. Everyone used him except Krist . 'Courtney Love Kurt's Money' - that's graffiti in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia where Krist was in '93. in an alternative club where I was a DJ, and he came to get a little away from the fans in my DJ booth. And he stayed with me until the end. He was very modest and funny. We drank bad beer, he really liked the kind of music I played and he insisted that we speak in Croatian - which was hilarious to me. Great guy!
O pa gdje je grafit? Koji je to bio klub?
@@dystopiafan580 na dolcu,nije se dugo održao.
@@dystopiafan580 a klub je naravno bila Jabuka :)
Krist was right when he said Kurt literally could’ve done almost anything with his life. Even if he got a divorce he still would’ve had enough to live 5 lifetimes over on royalties. Seems like his drug use altered his mind completely.
No he was prob murdered
@@Daneiladams555 nah
Kurt's drug use was all that did matter during the last few months of his life. I am no expert and never met Kurt, but I know severe heroin intimately. Comparitively speaking, the only difference between Kurt's addiction and every other heroin addict is, simply, he did not have beg money to support it.
@@Daneiladams555 I wouldn’t say murdered probably like Cali went and got him high , too high. He died , he didn’t tell anyone made it look like a suicide. Boom. Everyone’s happy and gets the shares of his money.
Yes! Its like that film ‘Requiem of a Dream’ it just consumed him. He became heroin the last years of his life.
Kurt n Krist rumbling in the airport.? Gosh this is new to me.!
Krist cared so much. It's so sad he tried his best to help
Kurt fue muy afortunado de tener un amigo como Krist.
This story has been well documented through the years. A light went out in Krist forever after that.
That’s insane, I’ve never heard that story before. Such a tragic way for their friendship to end.
Saddens me that their friendship and Last moment ended with a Brawl and argument *sigh* believe me i know how that’s like 😞😔
This has to be the worst last goodbye in history… what a huge trauma for Krist, I’m so sorry for him. He’s the last guy in the world that deserved this 😢
Cool story bro. We need a better source. I smell alot of bullshit here.
Yep... A lot of Bull💩coming straight out of Courtney lying mouth!
Yah. Agreed. That big of a tussle and no Security intervention?
Same
Right? In Seattle, this would have been big news, considering these two were the most famous people on the planet during this time. You can't just brawl at the airport in front of a bunch of onlookers when you are KC and KN and have nobody hear anything about it until 20 years later. Especially because of what ended up happening to Kurt on April 5th, 1994, just a few days later. This story is sus
Has krist ever told this story in these words elsewhere? I have a hard time believing anything that comes from heavier than heaven.
I'm curious too
Heavier than heaven might as well be the gospel according to Courtney Love. In every interview of Krist I've seen he never directly talks about it, like he never even mentions killed himself just that he shouldn't have done that, almost like he still hasn't processed and accepted what happened or something else went down that led to Kurt being killed, but he's bound by the non disclosure agreement with Courtney Love
I agree 100%. I don’t believe the majority of that book.
Yea it doesn’t make sense cause Kurt went to rehab and escaped then he passed away
That book or whatever is a big pile of BS
WoW, I've never heard that story, I knew Krist was pretty angry about the very end. Who wouldn't considering how close they were. Shit they went to High School together. Their relationship was so deep. It's just makes me cry knowing what actually happened the last time they saw each other. I'm sure Krist thinks about that every single day. That's tragic...smh
@Kath Octogon Did they go to the same High School? Someone told me that years ago. That's just such a brutal way for your last experience with someone who you love so much.
There's more to this story. When Kurt went missing from rehab, Krist went looking for him and couldn't find him. After, Kurt was found, MTV stuck a camera in his face. The raw devastation was heartbreaking to watch. The tabloids released pictures with Kurt and the band with guns. It was very sad and tragic.
@@annaiorio4543 I was only 11 when Kurt passed away, but it's always stayed with me. Once I srarted putting time into researching about his death, it just for me, never made sense that this was a suicide at all. Yes regarding Krist, I can't begin to imagine how he coped.
Sad. Heroin addiction takes your soul away.
For some reason the story of them fighting doesn’t surprise me it sounds some shit they would do
If there's ever a proper Nirvana movie I'm sure they will include this whole scene of Kurt trying to jump out of the moving car on the highway.
Then right after pick the guitars and jam lol.
I wasn't even alive when Nirvana started or ended and yet I feel upset everytime i listen to Nirvana because i struggle with the idea that Kurt Cobain is dead. I would do anything to meet him or go to one of his concerts.
What a sad story! One more proof what does the heroin and drugs do with the people.
krist use to be a bouncy happy go lucky guy but right after kurt died, he no longer was the same.
Damn poor Krist😢
That really hurts my heart. I can’t believe that in all the years since it happened, I’ve NEVER heard this story before. It’s no wonder Krist has always seemed so wounded since Kurt’s death. That’s my quota of sadness for the week. Gonna go curl up in a corner now. 😖
The dude who wrote that book of which this information comes from got all of his info from Courtney love. Last I heard, last time Kurt and Krist interacted was on the phone.
Didnt happen
To hear these stories about these Unbelievable people is so sad!! Rest in Peace Kurt!!⚘
YO MAN BIG THUMBS UP! Where do you get all this information from?
None has commented like OH, I REMEMBER, I WAS AT THE AIRPORT AT THAT TIME!
Agreed. I don’t believe a single word of any of that. Just seems off to me.
I know...a knock down, drag out at the airport? Kurt running screaming " f**k
you!" at any paranoid airport...Where was SECURITY? And no one with a cell phone caught video of this spectacle whether they knew of Kurt Cobain or not??? Sounds like a whopper to me! Who is the source of this story? With all due respect, where did you find this tid bit, channel?
Why would Krist lie about this? What's going on here?
@@joleneloveland2942 the source is a book by Charles Cross who was a Nirvana biographer, it is called Heavier than heaven. Imho, this is really paranoic. If Kurt didn't want to fly to LA so much he would never sit into the car. It doesn't make any sense to sit into a car and then open the door and try to get out while the car is moving. If it's true then Kurt really was in a terrible condition but he would not wait several days to die then. I don't believe he killed himself.
Yeah ..that's is rather suspect
I think everyone forgets social media and the internet was not a huge thing. Unless it was MTV or One of the rock magazines you didn't hear much. Yea his death was big but rock stars fighting... tad common honestly
“Heartbreaking” doesn’t even begin to describe the emotional gravity of such a tragic event. I truly feel for Krist. That had to be absolutely awful. He did his best to be the best friend he knew how to be and got physically attacked and probably scarred for life in some sense after Kurt died.
Sorry Krist, this truly sucks. Nothing else to say about it, it just sucks.
He does make a great point that Kurt could have almost literally done anything he wanted. So many like myself wish they had even a whiff at financial freedom like that. No matter, it's so sad this dude's rock bottom was what it was. This story only reminds me of so many other drug related fights. He was clearly not ready to get clean but needed it in a bad way.
Poor Krist. He really tried to help his mate.
I could always tell Krist has a heart of gold. R.i.p. Kurt, love you always 💖
Where is the source for this story ? I've googled this and can't find anything.
Its from the heavier than heaven book.find this hard to believe.
@Kath Octogon How could you possibly know that?
@@philcollins23 this book is indirectly from CL
Could you do a battle of the albums between facelift and Dirt by Alice in chains?
I have a feeling Krist deep down also knows he didn't suicide but is very afraid to tell. CL is such a hypocrite to organize an intervention while being on heroin herself.
@Nate Stephens Yes true
All this does sound like complete b.s. It probably came from a book that CL's lap dog wrote. It's not even believable
@Nate Stephens honestly he is quite intelligent. Now he's dabbling in politics, but he was always interested in them considering what was going on with Croatia (where his family is from)... just watch some interviews with him. He's not dumb by any stretch of the imagination just because he doesn't support some dumb conspiracy.
I feel bad for krist, that was his last time with kurt :(
I dont care krist is kurt cobain best friend not that dude Dylan carlson
You are referring to Dylan Carlson? He's super shady as well. You should join the "Kurt Cobain was murdered" group on Facebook. There's quite a few of them that go very deep into Kurts murder.
@@joshuayettou3552 i know he was
facebook.com/groups/262452887744744/?ref=share
he was only his dealer, such a fake friend
@@joshuayettou3552 If you haven't yet, go check out American Spy Fox's channel. He's done his research!!
Damn, that's sad. I never knew that. I had a vaguely similar experience with a very good friend and it's been bothering me a lot, lately. Wishing I could have done something different to make it turn out differently, and maybe he'd have been able to stick around if I did. He'd be dead by now, I'm pretty sure, but he could have died out here with us instead of leaving.
I recall reading that part of the book and feeling like I've been kicked in the stomach while lying on the floor. It's so sad for Krist to have that as the last memory of his friend.
Imagine if there were smart phones during Kurts days. Him and Krist rolling around on the airport floor beating the hell out of each other would be all over the internet.
I can't imagine how it must've hurt Krist's soul
This story is bs until Krist confirms it.
Wish Kurt didn’t take the cowards way out. Krist was right when he said he could’ve done anything. I’ve been a believer in the conspiracy theories but it’s kinda hard to trust any of that after hearing what his best friend had to do. Rip Kurt anyway.
Do you think the airport fight happened with nobody noticing it? Kurt running and cursing and Security never even noticed as paranoid as airports are now. Really?? Sounds like a total fish story to me.
@@joleneloveland2942 I’m sure they noticed it. Remember it was pre 9/11 so most of the time that shit would happen it would go pretty unnoticed.
I never heard krist tell this story... so this is not a story straight out of the horse's mouth, so i take this story with a grain of salt
@@Ludeguy83 who knows kurts been dead longer than he was alive for. Whatever happened it’s too late to really get to the bottom. Unless Courtney confesses on her deathbed, we’ll probably just believe the “story”.
@@followdanger890 yah, i agree with you!
Kurt was beautiful...Gone too soon.
Geez.. man, so sad what Krist went through.
Charles Cross used a lot of liberties writing that book, I would take all of this with a grain of salt
Yeah, he tries to get as much money as possible on stories about Kurt. He believes he knows everything about Kurt or his version of Kurt's biography is the most correct one.
Yeah... - 👹Courtney👹 told Charles what to write in that book word for word I don't believe a word of it!
Courtney is incapable of ever telling the truth!
@@TammyFox1989 say what?
She sure does!!!🍪🍪
Regarding the airport fight, I suspect Cobain wouldn't have had any animosity towards Novoselic in the long run. Cobain was in full blown self destructive crisis mode. Krist tried his best at the time and was a good friend who didn't bail when things got rough.
@Generic Name
Fuck man, it honestly makes me feel so sad thinking about how much better things could of been... The whole Nirvana left, still has not been filled by any other band since.
When I was younger, I used to be in on the Courtney had Kurt killed camp. The older I get and the more I learn the more It seems pretty obvious that the guy was in a lot of physical and mental pain and killed himself.
This is sad :(...i feel bad for Krist, a part of him died when Kurt died...
If I was Krist I would know I did EVERYTHING possible to save my friend and band mate. I’ve lost many friends to drugs and the only ones I regret are the ones I didn’t do anything to save. Ultimately you can’t save someone from themselves.
When your addicted to ANYTHING, YOU ALONE have to want to quit and move in the right direction, NO ONE can tell you to stop and most of the people telling Kurt to stop where hypocrites as they were just as addicted as him, especially his lovely wife...😏
Yes, and their intelect was very altered by drugs, that's why they all made bad choices and it led to this sad end: Carlson may never bought that gun, Courtney should came back earlier from L.A, etc....
Courtney had Kurt murdered. Carlson was in on it.
@@digitalsoldier3894 Since you were there. Maybe you can tell us EVERYTHING that went down that night.
@@jebstuart4004 and maybe mark Lanegan woulda answered Kurt’s phone call that fateful day but instead Lanegan was high on heroin. Heroin robbed The whole Seattle scene.
Krist might have felt he wouldn't ever see Kurt again, but it wasnt because of their fight they had because Kurt didnt want to go to rehab or what might happen if he didn't. I imagine Kurt was still smarting because his good friend Krist participated in a bogus intervention by CL when she was probably more addicted at the time than Kurt.. i imagine Kurt saw it as a betrayal.
So he went to rehab fully knowing that he probably would not stay. In his mind i think he was finished with everyone who participated in the intervention. When you quit a substance you have to be ready to do it and to do it for no one but yourself or it will not happen. Im sure he felt betrayed by his closest people falling into CL's hypocritical agenda. When he leff rehab he clearly had a plan as he purchased 2 air fares for a future date out of Seattle. I think he had plan and was planning a new start in his life. I think that's what Krist was picking up on. Kurt envisioned a new start that did not include him.
It was strange behavior on Krist's part seeing how he and Shelley wouldnt even attend his wedding because they did not approve of CL. But then he aligns himself with her on a bogus CL intervention. Would you not see that as a betrayal?
interesting, but i think that it s more simple than that. Kurt did not want to stop drugs like most junkies. His intelect was very altered by heroin. If you add that he was fed up for a lot of reasons ( personal life, health problems, celebrity etc). i suppose that he choose to die to live the imortality. the 27's club. Drugs and his near death expérience in Rome helped a lot.
what if the two tickets were for Kristen Pfaff and him? She was also trying to get away from CL
I’ve never heard this story before and I don’t know how that’s possible honestly…
That’s just not fair. Poor Krist
"...he could lived in a uhh uhh. . he could have done anything he wanted to do.." i wonder what Krist was wanting to say there, but held back a little.. heart breaking story
I think he knew Kurt didn't want to be a famous rockstar anymore. But felt really pressured so kept performing. I think Krist was just expressing how Kurt could have done anything he wanted and that would have maybe changed Kurt's life.
Just an opinion. Feel for Krist
I read somewhere that he had fantasized about living in a castle in Scotland… something to that effect
He could have lived in uhh..uhh a castle or in another country. Then he goes on to say it all was such a media spectacle. So youre gonna tell me that there was no media at the airport where a true spectacle took place? No average Joe who would have taken cell video of this fracas to sell to the media? And Security at the arport just said 'nevermind, that's just Krist and Kurt messing around' when there are security cameras planted all over that airport that surely would have caught that disturbance??
@@kazmungovan117 I heard that too!👍
@@joleneloveland2942 cell phones were still not that common back then...
This is sad...I really feel bad that he had too fight such demons. May your soul be at peace now Kurt..I pray youre at peace brother
Aw!!!!! I read Heavier Than Heaven, but it is so great to be reminded.
I miss Kurt everyday ❤️
I'm sorry but heavier than heaven is Courtney sanctioned and cross only wrote what Courtney let him .
Exactly what I said!
@@TammyFox1989 💯👍
@Kath Octogon youd think he know this .
A wonderful man n great musican
I was the last person to see my best friend before he committed suicide. I’m glad it didn’t go down like krist n kurt. It’s grim man, I feel for him
100% nonsense. Heavier Than Heaven was basically written by Courtney. The book is nothing more than pushing her narrative.
Let's not forget that Courtney killed him for his money.
kinda hard to believe tbh
Rest in pease Kurt💔
Being a rock star means you never have to grow up.
Damn, that hurt hearing that. After Kurt died, I never read or watched anything about Nirvana or Kurt, I Just blocked it all out. Only now after all these years am I starting to hear stories like this. Miss you heaps Kurt, If it wasn't for Nirvana's music I reckon I wouldn't be here right now...
Oh Dios, me ocurrió lo mismo 😥
I can’t imagine the pain Krist felt after knowing for sure that airport fight was the last time he’d see Kurt
This is sad to hear
I feel bad that happened to Krist Novoselic, he was a great friend to Kurt and never deserved that,
Kurt was probably having severe heroine withdrawals making Kurt aggressive towards Krist, it's not an excuse for that kind of behaviour though.. heroine withdrawal are clearly no laughing matter though, sorry that happened to you Krist Novoselic.. You were just trying to help him..
No, he was probably just overwhelmed and thats why he got so upset and aggressive. I don't think he was withdrawing, just emotionally probably a wreck.
And Kurt’s car was found abandoned near his home
Please site your sources on this.
Wow I did not know this happened between them. That is so sad. Id always thought the jack in the box thing where kurt went to have Krist unknowingly to his dealer.
Krist never actually told these stories, i can't find any of it somewhere's, it's all 2nd hand stories... why would kurt use krist to drive him places, kurt was a millionaire, he could of just took a cab or a limo anywhere's he went if he didn't want anyone to know he was buying drugs... i've had friends like that, but they were broke and needed a drive to score... definitely not millionaires 🤣🤣
Krist never actually told these stories, i can't find any of it somewhere's, it's all 2nd hand stories... why would kurt use krist to drive him places, kurt was a millionaire, he could of just took a cab or a limo anywhere's he went if he didn't want anyone to know he was buying drugs... i've had friends like that, but they were broke and needed a drive to score... definitely not millionaires 🤣🤣
I think Krist is sad because Kurt left him lonely and he was at first mad that Kurt could be "selfish" to leave him on earth alone, I feel like they were soulmates. Not romantically but a soulmate is a person with whom one has a feeling of deep or natural affinity. This may involve similarity, love, romance, platonic relationships, comfort, intimacy, spirituality, compatibility and trust. And the fact that Kurt could do such a thing without thinking how this will affect Krist made Krist depressed and changed him forever because he doesn't have his other half with him. Saying I'm sorry for his loss means nothing it's just a reminder ik how it feels and he just likes to talk about the good times with Kurt because reminiscing on fond memories is a lot healthier than talking about his death and the impact it had
imagine fighting your friend and being told "f*ck you" from him, and it's the last you'd hear from him.
Because Gold Mountain Management wanted Kurt to go back to rehab to force Nirvana to go back on tour. It was all about the money to Krist and Kurt was done. Your story is wrong... Kurt escaped Exodus and came back and that's when Krist tried to force Kurt to go back to rehab was when he came back from Exodus and yeah Kurt beat Krist's ass in an airplane terminal and ran off and that would explain one of the 2 tickets that Kurt was in possession of when they found his body.
But let me ask you a very important question Mr. Narrator:
If Kurt was so "suicidal" and "depressed" all of the time then why did he wait until April 5th to take his own life instead of just killing himself on March 30th when he got the gun? The gun was purchased as a means of security for Kurt simply until he could use that other plane ticket to go to Los Angeles to go to Michael Stipe (that's where the other plane ticket comes in that Kurt was in possession of when they found his body)
The quote unquote "suicide note" was a resignation letter to all the fans of Nirvana and the members of Nirvana at the time to let them know that Kurt was done! It was to let them know that he didn't want to play music anymore because playing and writing music wasn't fun anymore and when something fun becomes work that's when it's no longer fun. I really could go on and on about all of this but if you've watched Soaked In Bleach you'll see the damning evidence that proves Kurt Cobain was murdered and one of those pieces of evidence is the fact that the spent shotgun shell was on the opposite side of the room that it was supposed to eject from the shotgun (and that's the biggest tell that this was a murder made to look like a suicide) the other damning piece of evidence is the fact that Courtney tried to hire El Duce to kill Kurt Cobain for $50,000 and make it look like suicide and I remember watching the documentary because even he said that: "she said to blow his fucking head off and make it look like suicide"
The fact that both Courtney and Kurt had the same lawyer or attorney would signify that she knew that Kurt was in the process of rewriting his will and writing Courtney out of it and that would also mean that Courtney knew that Kurt wanted a divorce and that he was done being the puppet that she wanted him to be.
The fact that such a significant quote unquote "suicide note" would be planted in a flower pot with a pen through it and I used the word planted as a pun not necessarily as somebody put it there because the last four lines of that note actually lined up to the alphabet both upper and lowercase that Courtney mimicked from Kurt's journal that was in her backpack that was left at Rosemary Carol's house along with a to-do list and the big thing on that paper said to get arrested and it was underlined three times. We know about the backpack that got left at Rosemary Carol's house because she contacted Tom Grant when she noticed that Courtney left a bag there.
We could also talk about the fact that this probably isn't the first time the mention of suicide was in the air when it comes to Kurt Cobain. Many people look at what happened in Rome as a suicide attempt and it was actually the first attempt on Kurt's life in the form of a rohypnol overdose... Courtney and Cali were present when that happened. Kurt would say later that Rome wasn't a suicide attempt and that's all he would say. If you go back even further then you will understand why Kurt locked himself in a hotel bathroom with a gun and that was because he was afraid of Courtney, and when I say you've got to go back further it's because when Courtney was married the first time she actually bullied her husband to the point where she would threaten to hire people to fuck him up if he didn't do what she told him to do and in one instance she actually tried just at the bed on fire while he was asleep.
She would go on to claim later that the police gave her the shotgun from the crime scene which they are still in possession of this day but she would tell the world but they gave it back to her and she melted it down. But the big question for me is this; if someone commits suicide then why would you have the very green house where the supposed suicide happened torn down?
Why would it be acceptable if you were such a concerned spouse to accept suicide as a cause of death in less than 30 minutes and the only time the homicide unit showed up was simply to identify the body as Kurt Cobain? Why would you claim that your bass player in the band Hole (Kristen Pfaff) was having an affair with the person that you were married to that was faithful to you and then that same person that you would claim was having an affair with your husband would be found dead right after your husband was?
Why would you pay your live in nanny and ex-boyfriend $30,000 after your husband was found dead and you inherited all of their money before he went to California himself?
And for the sake of irony you've got to remember that she wanted Dylan to go to the greenhouse to look for Kurt and Dylan refused to but Dylan never mentioned once to Tom Grant that there was even a greenhouse above the garage... Here's where the irony comes in; the whole reason Kurt even needed that shotgun with for security and ironically it was Gary Smith who was there to install a security system who found Kurt Cobain dead?
A lot of people talk about Allen Wrench and I don't think such a person exists. I believe that they only people that were involved were Dylan Carlson and Cali DeWitt, I believe that Dylan was the one who spiked Kurt's drink with rohypnol and I believe that it was Cali who got down on one knee and put the shotgun in Kurt's mouth and pulled the trigger and when he pulled the trigger the bird shot that was in the shotgun actually got lodged in the roof of Kurt's mouth and that's when the lethal dose of black tar heroin was shot into Kurt's arm.
And as an added bonus after Kurt supposedly shot himself in the mouth and then supposedly shot himself up with a lethal dose of heroin, he supposedly had enough energy without spilling a drop of his own blood to reach over pull down his sleeve where the injection site was and put the needle back in the box. A lot of people believe that Kurt pulled out his own wallet pulled out his ID card and made it visible with the belief that he blew his own head off for identification but that wasn't the case, the police who arrived at the scene after the electrician found Kurt Cobain's body... Police officers pulled out his ID card as you have seen in the crime scene photos.
I know that Kurt Cobain was murdered and I have studied this case for 20 plus years and Kurt Cobain will never get the Justice he truly deserves because in the state of Seattle if a known junkie overdoses then it is automatically written off as a suicide and I believe that Courtney Love knew this and that's why it took them only 30 minutes to rule his death out as a suicide.
I don't really trust anything that Charles R. Double Cross has to say because I'm pretty sure that anything he puts in a book Courtney has complete control over so to call himself a writer is a joke because writers write for themselves without letting others control the narrative what it is they have to say. If you look at the timeline of when Montage Of Heck was released then you will see that they released that one first before Soaked In Bleach simply because nobody's going to want to watch two Nirvana documentaries in the same year and Montage Of Heck was designed to make Kurt Cobain look like the villain and dehumanize Kurt Cobain to the point where he wouldn't have any credibility and people would just see him in another light. I don't think that Kurt Cobain would have ever made that story about fucking the retarded girl public because you've got to remember that Kurt was a feminist and he stood up for women and Nirvana has played several charities for the sake of being a feminist and being the voice of women who were afraid to speak up. And then you've got Courtney cussing at Kurt because Frances was crying and that made him out to look like a bad father so that was the design of Montage Of Heck and when Soaked In Bleach came out nobody watched it because by then Courtney Love had stripped Kurt Cobain of any human decency and it was designed to make people think that Kurt was the bad guy and with that design came the ability to finally have the public say maybe he deserved to die or good riddance.
The Seattle Police Department is still in possession of film that wasn't developed from the crime scene and Courtney wants to speak for the public and say that no one's interested in seeing it because she's afraid of being incriminated but they're still undeveloped rolls of film from the scene in the possession of the Seattle Police Department to this day that will probably never see the light of day as long as Courtney keeps telling them that nobody wants to see it that it doesn't need to be developed... And she got her own daughter to go along with this and I guess for the sympathy of his daughter that that film will never see the light of day and that's sad.
Your story has more holes in it than a condom from a gold digger to a millionaire.
You have to go out and find the truth because the media isn't going to tell you the truth and you have to learn to read between the lines and you'll actually be able to see what's real and what's bullshit.
Iam with you EXACTLY
Glad I'm not the only one who believes and knows the truth when they can see it! You should forward this to the SPD, you can always send stuff and try to get the case reopened...
This story is b Bull💩!!
Man I love your book, I mean comment. I agree with you 100%!!! Except.... I do think Kurt will one day get justice! I hope that Courtney, Cali, Jessica, & Dylan or whoever was involved gets what they deserve before I leave this earth!!!
@@grungegods 🤣😂 Yes it was a book! WOW...Interesting though
Not only does Allen Wrench exist. He was in El Duce's band and there is footage of him joking about killing Kurt. For so much research I'm surprised you didn't know that.
I mean, Krist would manhandle Kurt if they got in a real fight, I love Kurt as much as the next person but Krist would destroy him, it's literally like a heavy weight fighting a fly weight.
Kurt briefly did wrestling as a kid so he wasn't that bad at fighting
yeah krist is like 6'7", hes a giant
He was also tenderhearted, and was not trying to manhandle him I’m quite sure.
What was the fight about though? Obviously there was a disagreement. Kurt was doing fantastic up until a key event a month before his death, he caught Courtney cheating on him. According to Courtney Kurt was so hurt he roofied himself and almost died......imagine how Kurt must have felt? He had no drugs in his system when he overdosed in March 93' so he got back on drugs after that.
We really have to understand how traumatized Kurt was by divorce as a young child and he wrote about how he would fight to his death to protect Francess from divorce, then he finds himself in his worst nightmare. He caught his wife cheating and told her it was over and getting a divorce, she roofied him and tried to kill him that night. He wakes up from the coma and has to know he was drugged, at this point he must have gotten pretty scared. I think he got back on drugs to cope with the stress of the situation then Courtney used that to say she will take custody of Francess since he was on drugs, that's when Kurt burned the bridges with everyone.
Why do people have to hear this from me? I might have actually believed Kurt killed himself they spun this narrative becaus there is logic in it. The thing is, this narrative doesn't exist. Not one person other than Courtney has said anything about cheating or divorce.
I'll pretend to be Krist: Why do I think Kurt killed himself? He was doing so well then relapsed on drugs when he caught his wife cheating, he couldn't handle divorce or the thought of loosing Francess and took the easy way out".
Now, doesn't that sound a lot better than Krist's reddit response?
"Finally, one of the reasons I am convinced Kurt killed himself is that he purchased a .20 shotgun. Kurt was not interested in hunting birds or squirrels, he bought that firearm as a suicide device. Suicide is not rational."
Seriously Krist? Kurt had lots of guns, the police confiscated them in a bogus claim by Courtney saying Kurt was locked in his closet with his guns and was suicidal, which she admitted was a false claim but they still took his gun. Google Kurt Cobain and gun, lots of pictures of Kurt with guns, pretty sure they were for home protection and not hunting .....Krist should know that. Even Dillion said Kurt was worried about intruders and it was for home protection. Kurt got roofied and almost died, of course he is going to protect himself.
Kurt broke up Nirvana, lowered their cuts of the profits, and said he preferred jamming with Hole rather than his own band. If I were Krist my feeling would be hurt to hear that and I would be kinda pissed at Kurt, especially after he got back on drugs after getting sober. He may have burned his bridges with Kurt right before he died and I know Krist loved Kurt so that would be absolutely traumatic for him. I can see why he won't research Kurt's death, could you imagine the trauma of believing your best friend killed himself for decades only to learn he was murdered and he wasn't there for him when he needed him the most? He probably wants to stay in the reality where Kurt was an asshole bent on suicide and there was nothing anyone could have done to help.......but there was.
Kurt needed a real friend, if Kurt didn't open up to Krist about the cheating and divorce then that tells me all I need to know......Kurt didn't trust Krist enough to confide in. If Krist does know those details and just keeping quiet that tells me a lot also.
I want to talk to Krist, I want to explain about the cheating and divorce and I want to know his honest feelings on Kurt breaking up the band and lowering his cut. Krist might not know about the cheating or divorce, imagine what he would think to learn of why Kurt was so messed up near the end? It would make a lot more sense to him and maybe he can help get Kurt justice. I would love to see the day Krist and Francess get into the evidence of murder and sincerely try to get Justice for Kurt because they would make a huge difference.
@cross hatch2 Thanks I never seen that Iggy video. I completely agree and there are many x factors that get really dangerous for Kurt. First of all his goal was to sabotage and destroy the mainstream music industry from the inside, he wrote about his goals in his journals and also said pages and whole journals would go missing in hospitals, hotels, planes, and someone may have been gathering Intel on his personal thoughts and aware of his plans, he would make a lot of enemies. I don't think he was on Krist or Dave's good side at all, Kurt said they were very passive aggressive but sounds like things got really ugly near the end. He dropped the lollapalooza tour which would have cost a lot of people millions of potential profit, I would imagine he was under contract as well. Kurt was done with Nirvana and I would assume major labels as well, if he went solo the party would have been over for a lot of people. Then there is Courtney's Epstein connection and Courtney's fortune she can inherited from her Bohemian Grove member grandpa. I suspect Billy Corgan was who Courtney cheated on Kurt with, but what if it was actually related to her Epstein connection and sex trafficking? That could be veeeeeey dangerous if Kurt found out.
Kurt was worth more dead than alive to everyone in his life, sadly even Krist and Dave. Actually, who did Courtney sell some Nirvana right to again? I'm gonna look that up, that is weird how there is a person or group out there still profiting off of Kurt that is not related to his family, I wonder if there are any connections with the record companies Kurt worked for?
Edit: Mestel owns 25% of Kurt's share of Nirvana, a company that buys up rights to music, and the owner was the executive producer of Montage of Heck. Just wild speculation, but if someone in the industry wanted to profit off of Kurt after he died it would be through something like Mestel so there might be a lead there, it's always good to follow the money trail.
@cross hatch2 They seem sooooo awkward and lost without Kurt. Dave went from shy and introverted, to an extroverted drunken party animal. Dave comes off very insincere to me in every interview, like he only says what people expect to hear.
It is interesting to think Dave already had most of the foo fighters songs written by that point. Kurt talked about them going in other musical directions, Kurt asked Dave if he could change the lyrics of his songs for Nirvana songs, I can only assume Dave declined. Courtney said in that recent post that Dave doesn't deserve any money since he was kicked out of the band, first I ever heard of that but it would make sense. Kurt called Dave's riff for scentless apprentice boneheaded at first and I read a story where Dave got offended that Kurt was kinda making fun of him on a plane, and Dave said he was always worried about getting replaced since Nirvana went through so many drummers.
There were rumors Kurt lowered the rest of the bands split since he was the only one contributing to songwriting, I think that would be in response to Dave not allowing Kurt to use his future foo fighters songs as Nirvana songs, the logic makes sense.
It's possible Dave got kicked out if the band but it wasn't official, then after Kurt died he was technically still in the band and got song rights, he took Kurt's place in the spotlight, came out of his she'll, and became the rockstar he probably felt Kurt should have been, soaking in the fame and loving the attention. Dave profited and benefited off of Kurt's death so much so that it should be impossible not to feel some level of guilt. I don't think Foo Fighters would have been nearly as successful had Kurt lived, Dave would always have been in Kurt's shadow. Now he is promoting vaccines and played dictator Biden's inauguration..........oh my how Dave has fallen from his punk rock roots and joined the system that Kurt was trying to destroy.
Man this is so sad, like I’m not kidding, this is so sad
Legend. Miss him.