It occurred to me that Brentford don't have a youth academy in real life, presumably that's the same in the game. I guess they couldn't produce any decent regens.
It's quite fitting that Milan stayed in the top flight while Inter didn't, considering Inter's foundation being because they wanted to allow foreigners in the team.
What would be interesting is if you actually have a transfer embargo on the top 5 leagues and not the teams in the top 5 leagues, idk if that's possible but that would definitely have a huge effect on europe
I think it would be fun to watch a series with this twist because you have no clue of which player is good based on your previous experience. For example try to bring back Tottenham in this save or even teams in 2nd divion like Bayern or PSG.
The funny thing is Real Madrit B was demoted to third tier despite winning 2 tier 3 years in a row!!! Thats because main team dropped from 1 tier and Spanish rules make same team in 1 league impossible
@@jamesmcshane1914 cause team A should be higher than team B. Like here Espanyol got relegated from La Liga and Espanyol B got relegated despite win the Segunda title.
i just want to point out that the Serie A european place are changed. the other 4 leagues surprisingly havent changed but Italy has. This means the quality of Serie A clubs in the UCL has dropped significantly. You can tell by the 2 UCL spots for Serie A which means the "quality" in the league is good but as soon as these clubs enter the UCL they are probably out in the group stages. It wouldn't surprise me if Portugal and Holland got more UCL spots at the expense of Italy
@@nickd6408 the league ranking partially is a part of it. Though when he's showing Serie A, you can only see 3 coloured spots. Blue is champions league Green is europa league Green-yellow is the conference league
You love to see a good experiment. Would be a great idea to pick up a save after the embargo ends. Maybe to all European League's and their top 4 League's and see what happens.
Must be easier for teams that can still buy to rise through the leagues because out of contract players would be theirs to cherry pick from, Solihull Moors must have got high enough to have enough rep to start stockpiling amazing freebies.
Germany and Italy has the best youth setup along with Portugal. No surprise there when English and spanish clubs stop buying players from those leagues and they dominated because now they can retain their top players
Hamburg, Schalke and Las Palmas dominating Europe, what a fever dream But Hamburg and Schalke make sense since they are two of the biggest German clubs, they just mismanaged their way to the 2nd Bundesliga
By the way, Racing Santander has not been in La Liga for years now. Probably closer to a decade at this point. They have just been promoted back to La Liga 2 in 2021/22 season actually. How did Brentford lose twice in a row the UCL finals and then dropped to non-league? Mysteries... Also Castrense have enjoyed some titles. That's something. Was a pleasure seeing Grazer AK in european cups. Hopefully they reach Bundesliga finally. Also Hertha has a successful season with a final of Europa League just 2 years prior and then got relegated. FC Dnipro vibes... But Solihull Moors are the diamond of this game.
I am Portuguese and I recognize the Castrense name. They play amateur league currently (5ºdivison). I am surprised they managed to get some European cups.
For people who dont know much about Dutch football, the 55/56 Final with Telstar who in rl have been in the Dutch second tier since 1979 and with their highest ranking in that league being 4th in 82. what a bloody suprise that is. i really wana see the state of the Eredivisie in this game save.
I remember I seen a video which went a thousand years into the future and a player with my dads full name and the team we support was the best player in the world and it creeped me out. Especially when we don’t have a popular surname
the game has been bad for details like that this year. the newest updates haven't even added the 5 subs rule for this coming season. probably the first year i've ever been disappointed with it, I think it was made almost entirely remote during the pandemic tbf
What happened in the 2nd spanish league at 8:55? Real Madrid's B team won the league in 2067/68 and 2068/69, but are in the 3rd division the season after. Does that mean that Real Madrid's main team was just promoted? Because as far as I know, a club can't play in the same division as it's B team. If I'm not wrong here, that would be mental tbh edit: Austria winning the euros in 2068 aigainst Germany, whilst also being host with Switzerland is kinda funny to see as an Austrian myself
If that actually happened in really life 1) could imagine clubs legal teams been busy as hell 2) clubs construction team be extra busy - 3) they be a new fight club for scouts ( winner gets player )
Such a strange experiment, almost predictable at times. Of course teams with transfer embargos are going to struggle, interesting to see if everyone had the embargo.
It be interesting to actually play a game like this where every team is on even footing when it comes to transfer embargo. And you have to make the best out it with your youth facilities.
I live how it's allegedly Man City Homegrown when they have access to youth academies from like 7 other good clubs around the world they own. They and Red Bull just consume the best players from the other academies, so nit really homegrown.
What always gets me is, how many southern teams end up in the 6th tier of English football, the National League South, in these experiments. There must be if geographically, Harrow have been placed in the northern league. Harrow is the most stereotypically southern place in England I could imagine.
I think a deep dive into the English league from this file is needed. How did Brentford dominate and now out yne league and how are Solihull winning woth a 3k capacity stadium. And the mighty Gas 3rd in the Premier league, you love to see it.
Wish there was a way to make country specific embargo, so will seee clubs with only their own nations (dunno UK, but). Not just main leagues, but whole countries.
It’s always weird in these to see teams that shouldn’t have been affected also fall down. Unless I’m blind, Wrexham seemed to disappear from the playable leagues. Just seems bizarre that all the teams falling from above wouldn’t naturally pull national league teams up
Good idea, mate, but not quite good execution. It's normal for Schalke and Hamburger to dominate the league, as they are in the 2nd division at the start, even tho they are quite rich in the game. It will be more interesting to ban ALL transfers in the game. This will make teams use only youth academy products, like all teams, not only top-tier teams.
It's funny to me that RB Salzburg has been to 6 european finals (1 CL, 4 EL, 1 ECL) without winning, yet WSG, BW Linz and Klagenfurt all managed to snag a title for Austria. It's odd considering their ability to scout talent from weaker leagues before dumping them off to big teams. With the biggest leagues under embargo, they'd still have Haaland, Mane, Minamino, Keita, Szoboslai, Daka, Hwang, etc.
Mexico winning the WC in 2022 you missed, pretty mad considering how early on in this experiment that happened. Would have been interesting to see the next 50 yrs post embargo, to see if the normal big boys recover
so i just downloaded this save file Patreon Sub version and saw that some of the teams the embargo isnt in place while others its in place till 2301. went to launch in at 2065 file as the dates after that dont seem to work. but was dissapointed to see the only playable nation as Wales, when i tried to add the major nations as playable the game crashed. probably because some of the clubs also seem to have over a billion pound stadium rent which explains why they do so bad
This is an interesting experiment. The main take away from me is that the game is not very well designed. As you say, the big Championship teams (Forest, Sheffield United etc) should come in and take over, if the logic was programmed well. If you test a good sim game, it should perform as you'd expect in real life, or it's not working properly.
I expected the Eredivisie to gain more on the other leagues with the transfer ban since it is a good competition for young talents but the best players always go on transfer to the 5 biggest competitions
Sounds Like the Bwin League ( Portugal ) luckily ,for you, Ajax just snatched Francisco Conceição, as he is considered a great propect for future Football in Portugal
The fact that Real Madrid's B team were the title holders means they were arguably better than their relegated first team that season!? Obviously would've had to have been relegated despite finishing first when the 1st team came down 😂
would be cool if every team in europe was under transfer embargo so we could see the teams with the best youth in smaller countries (like kovenhaven) doing well in europe
@@TheHungryTrollRawr Benfica, Monaco, Ajax, Dortmund, Sporting, Dynamo Zagreb, Salzburg, Feyernoord, Anderlecht and Young Boys would be some other guesses
Just a question , is it posible to recreate the old pre 1995 rules changes on maximum number of foreign players and transfers . As that would make some interesting leagues and results. a champions league where only champions could compete , makes you wonder how things turn out.
Seeing Real Madrid only 1 division above their b team, it begs the question, if the b team were to get promoted and the A team get relegated, what then happens?
The youth draw is one big lottery, so it makes sense that things get shuffled. That´s only one problem, the other being that some teams don´t produce much youth if any at all. Another can of worms is players and their unhappiness if not given the right contract because the club can´t afford the wages, do they just leave and end up rotting in the list? This also probably means that a club like Man Utd. released a lot of semi decent players on a free instead of keeping them.
I'd assume that what happened to Brentford is because they have got rid of their Academy in real life so I dont know if thats replicated in a way on FM
Experiment suggestion: what if you make a few tweaks on editor to make all major europe nations and leagues sunk down and another nations (like Portugal, austria, belgium, croatia and so on) became top class nations and leagues?
It occurred to me that Brentford don't have a youth academy in real life, presumably that's the same in the game. I guess they couldn't produce any decent regens.
Why don’t they
@@crigiu2118 they do now I think but it was due to finances
@@crigiu2118 They opted for a B-team route instead.
@@crigiu2118 it’s part of the reason they’re doing good now they got their priorities right instead of some clubs
They won 8 league titles in his save though
Southampton winning the PL in 2067 and getting relegated within two years was bizarre
Great idea Tom! It would be interesting to release the embargo after 50 years and check after 50 more years to see who's back up!
Great idea
During transfer embargo is it still posibble to give contract to free players? I havent encounter any transfer ban (FFP ban nor Board takeover ban) 😁😁
@@haninditabudhi6574 no contracts to players from other clubs.
would also be interesting to check the Ballon d'Or and see at which clubs the winners played for
It's quite fitting that Milan stayed in the top flight while Inter didn't, considering Inter's foundation being because they wanted to allow foreigners in the team.
As a German i can say: Holy shit i would die to see this Bundesliga for one season in real life!!
Really nice video
Ja aber fehlen schon ein paar Vereine
Remind me to show my two current FM bundesliga seasons
Wäre cool wenn er auch noch die 3 liga gezeigt hätte aber naja
hansa zurück in der Bundesliga ist auch etwas was wirklich erst in 70 Jahren klappt
@@jameswg13 Ok
The craziest thing about the National League North is that Slough, Cheltenham, Charlton, Chelmsford, Harrow and St. Albans were in it....
And wealdstone and wycombe had previously won it
What would be interesting is if you actually have a transfer embargo on the top 5 leagues and not the teams in the top 5 leagues, idk if that's possible but that would definitely have a huge effect on europe
As a supporter of the german football club Hansa Rostock i'm looking forward to see us lifting the Europa league-trophy in 2069 👌
Great video👍
Auswärts wollen wir fliegen - Real Madrid besiegen!
Solihull Moors - just wow. Also Brentford's drop of grace was quite weird. Thank you for the video, Tom - it was fun :)
its because they don't actually have an academy
@@joehayes3431 but I don't understand how they dominated the league in the late 20s
@@felixdale3950 it’s because their current squad is very young and all have high potential in key areas
@@joehayes3431 I meant late 30s and 40s 😂
@@felixdale3950 oh haha just a massive club ig
Castrense plays currently in the 5th division in Portugal (regional leagues)
and have won the Euro League twice there
lol
I think it would be fun to watch a series with this twist because you have no clue of which player is good based on your previous experience. For example try to bring back Tottenham in this save or even teams in 2nd divion like Bayern or PSG.
I used to play for Solihull Moors so proud moment in a completely non real simulation
Go ten/fifteen years into the future after the ban and see if the bigger teams can work their way back into the top leagues.
The funny thing is Real Madrit B was demoted to third tier despite winning 2 tier 3 years in a row!!! Thats because main team dropped from 1 tier and Spanish rules make same team in 1 league impossible
Funnier than Colchester being the 2067 Europa League winners though?
In a season were the a side gets relegated and the b side does enough for promotion, why couldn't they swap?
@@jamesmcshane1914 cause team A should be higher than team B. Like here Espanyol got relegated from La Liga and Espanyol B got relegated despite win the Segunda title.
i just want to point out that the Serie A european place are changed. the other 4 leagues surprisingly havent changed but Italy has. This means the quality of Serie A clubs in the UCL has dropped significantly. You can tell by the 2 UCL spots for Serie A which means the "quality" in the league is good but as soon as these clubs enter the UCL they are probably out in the group stages. It wouldn't surprise me if Portugal and Holland got more UCL spots at the expense of Italy
3:08 is this the league ranking on the right?
@@nickd6408 the league ranking partially is a part of it. Though when he's showing Serie A, you can only see 3 coloured spots.
Blue is champions league
Green is europa league
Green-yellow is the conference league
You love to see a good experiment. Would be a great idea to pick up a save after the embargo ends. Maybe to all European League's and their top 4 League's and see what happens.
Must be easier for teams that can still buy to rise through the leagues because out of contract players would be theirs to cherry pick from, Solihull Moors must have got high enough to have enough rep to start stockpiling amazing freebies.
Germany and Italy has the best youth setup along with Portugal. No surprise there when English and spanish clubs stop buying players from those leagues and they dominated because now they can retain their top players
Hamburg, Schalke and Las Palmas dominating Europe, what a fever dream
But Hamburg and Schalke make sense since they are two of the biggest German clubs, they just mismanaged their way to the 2nd Bundesliga
By the way, Racing Santander has not been in La Liga for years now. Probably closer to a decade at this point. They have just been promoted back to La Liga 2 in 2021/22 season actually.
How did Brentford lose twice in a row the UCL finals and then dropped to non-league? Mysteries...
Also Castrense have enjoyed some titles. That's something.
Was a pleasure seeing Grazer AK in european cups. Hopefully they reach Bundesliga finally.
Also Hertha has a successful season with a final of Europa League just 2 years prior and then got relegated. FC Dnipro vibes...
But Solihull Moors are the diamond of this game.
I am Portuguese and I recognize the Castrense name. They play amateur league currently (5ºdivison). I am surprised they managed to get some European cups.
For people who dont know much about Dutch football, the 55/56 Final with Telstar who in rl have been in the Dutch second tier since 1979 and with their highest ranking in that league being 4th in 82. what a bloody suprise that is. i really wana see the state of the Eredivisie in this game save.
I remember I seen a video which went a thousand years into the future and a player with my dads full name and the team we support was the best player in the world and it creeped me out. Especially when we don’t have a popular surname
Telstar reached the Europa League Final in 2055/56 😳
It's quite disappointing to see how FM can allow a multiple premier league winning team to still have terrible facilities and a 3k stadium.
the game has been bad for details like that this year. the newest updates haven't even added the 5 subs rule for this coming season. probably the first year i've ever been disappointed with it, I think it was made almost entirely remote during the pandemic tbf
19:30 you missed Mexico winning the 2022 World Cup !
def do a video on just solihull moors, that was awesome that they had somehow done it in such a dominating fashion!
is there a way you could lock transfers to countries and nationality of players? so prem teams can only buy english or welsh
What happened in the 2nd spanish league at 8:55? Real Madrid's B team won the league in 2067/68 and 2068/69, but are in the 3rd division the season after. Does that mean that Real Madrid's main team was just promoted? Because as far as I know, a club can't play in the same division as it's B team. If I'm not wrong here, that would be mental tbh
edit: Austria winning the euros in 2068 aigainst Germany, whilst also being host with Switzerland is kinda funny to see as an Austrian myself
im still trying to understand how a team that is currently in the 5th division in portugal has won the europa league... twice (fc castrense)
If that actually happened in really life
1) could imagine clubs legal teams been busy as hell
2) clubs construction team be extra busy -
3) they be a new fight club for scouts ( winner gets player )
Great content love these kind of uploads
Future looking bright for Bristol City!
Such a strange experiment, almost predictable at times. Of course teams with transfer embargos are going to struggle, interesting to see if everyone had the embargo.
Mexico won the WC in 2022?!?
As someone who lives just around the corner from Damson Park this is very strange to see
Be interesting to see a mirror image of the leagues, so prem teams conference championship to league 2 and league 1 stay where they are.
It be interesting to actually play a game like this where every team is on even footing when it comes to transfer embargo. And you have to make the best out it with your youth facilities.
There was a Lyon at French National league.
Love the vid Tom
I live how it's allegedly Man City Homegrown when they have access to youth academies from like 7 other good clubs around the world they own. They and Red Bull just consume the best players from the other academies, so nit really homegrown.
You should do it again but 10 years skip and then 20
It's too much years.
We want to see how teams will manage to play in the short time.
I love how Eric Garcia was sacked by a German second divison club in 2070.
What always gets me is, how many southern teams end up in the 6th tier of English football, the National League South, in these experiments. There must be if geographically, Harrow have been placed in the northern league. Harrow is the most stereotypically southern place in England I could imagine.
“Racing are in the first tier at the start of this” man i wish
I think a deep dive into the English league from this file is needed. How did Brentford dominate and now out yne league and how are Solihull winning woth a 3k capacity stadium. And the mighty Gas 3rd in the Premier league, you love to see it.
i dont think they would be allowed play in the stadium , I think there is a min stadium capacity
Solihull Moors are my local non league side. Pleasantly surprised about this video!
OB in the conference league final! I've never been this happy
Wish there was a way to make country specific embargo, so will seee clubs with only their own nations (dunno UK, but). Not just main leagues, but whole countries.
I think it is possible to do as i have seen some people do complete legionere limit saves for some countries.
It’s always weird in these to see teams that shouldn’t have been affected also fall down. Unless I’m blind, Wrexham seemed to disappear from the playable leagues. Just seems bizarre that all the teams falling from above wouldn’t naturally pull national league teams up
Can't believe you glossed over Aldershot having an "invincibles" season!
Good idea, mate, but not quite good execution. It's normal for Schalke and Hamburger to dominate the league, as they are in the 2nd division at the start, even tho they are quite rich in the game. It will be more interesting to ban ALL transfers in the game. This will make teams use only youth academy products, like all teams, not only top-tier teams.
It's funny to me that RB Salzburg has been to 6 european finals (1 CL, 4 EL, 1 ECL) without winning, yet WSG, BW Linz and Klagenfurt all managed to snag a title for Austria. It's odd considering their ability to scout talent from weaker leagues before dumping them off to big teams. With the biggest leagues under embargo, they'd still have Haaland, Mane, Minamino, Keita, Szoboslai, Daka, Hwang, etc.
Mexico winning the WC in 2022 you missed, pretty mad considering how early on in this experiment that happened.
Would have been interesting to see the next 50 yrs post embargo, to see if the normal big boys recover
Glad to see my team, Cosenza, winning Serie A, the conference and europa league
si popu nu cosentino
@@mmunakumm a capì
3:00 - they did not win the title yet, there's still one remaining match to be played and they couod lose it all.
so i just downloaded this save file Patreon Sub version and saw that some of the teams the embargo isnt in place while others its in place till 2301. went to launch in at 2065 file as the dates after that dont seem to work. but was dissapointed to see the only playable nation as Wales, when i tried to add the major nations as playable the game crashed. probably because some of the clubs also seem to have over a billion pound stadium rent which explains why they do so bad
That's mental how far teams have fallen
How are Charlton in the V league North????
They're not even from north London!
This is an interesting experiment. The main take away from me is that the game is not very well designed. As you say, the big Championship teams (Forest, Sheffield United etc) should come in and take over, if the logic was programmed well. If you test a good sim game, it should perform as you'd expect in real life, or it's not working properly.
It's really nice for me to see 1860 Munich as champions league winners
If you go to History>Landmarks it tells you about takeovers so may explain Solihull
Brentford dropping to the Isthmian league but also winning the Premier League 8 times.
Real Madrid B won LaLiga, but had to relegate due to their first team I think
I'd like to see the Solihull rise video
Great video!
I expected the Eredivisie to gain more on the other leagues with the transfer ban since it is a good competition for young talents but the best players always go on transfer to the 5 biggest competitions
Sounds Like the Bwin League ( Portugal ) luckily ,for you, Ajax just snatched Francisco Conceição, as he is considered a great propect for future Football in Portugal
Hey Tom I was looking for your experiment save file on patreon but couldn't find it you didn't upload yet?
can u maybe link the file to the save in the desc for future expiriments so we can chechk our own things also :) great vid
bro its football post-apocalypse 💀💀💀
The fact that Real Madrid's B team were the title holders means they were arguably better than their relegated first team that season!? Obviously would've had to have been relegated despite finishing first when the 1st team came down 😂
Saw your tiktok. Great idea, despite the fact Man United didn't thrive given their Academy.
Can u let us download link for that save?
would be cool if every team in europe was under transfer embargo so we could see the teams with the best youth in smaller countries (like kovenhaven) doing well in europe
I think Ajax would rule, would be amazing to see this
@@TheHungryTrollRawr Benfica, Monaco, Ajax, Dortmund, Sporting, Dynamo Zagreb, Salzburg, Feyernoord, Anderlecht and Young Boys would be some other guesses
@@murilomuniz9962 yeah some great teams there for this, imagine football with no sugar daddys
@@TheHungryTrollRawr being a Benfica supporter, I would love to live in such a world
@@murilomuniz9962 When I was a kid ppl feared Benfica! Would love them to keep their star players and become a giant again!
Just a question , is it posible to recreate the old pre 1995 rules changes on maximum number of foreign players and transfers . As that would make some interesting leagues and results. a champions league where only champions could compete , makes you wonder how things turn out.
How did Charlton end up in National League North?….What happened to Lazio?
What’s with the shade towards Sunderland??
Seeing Real Madrid only 1 division above their b team, it begs the question, if the b team were to get promoted and the A team get relegated, what then happens?
Charlton (a south London club) in the national league north but Tottenham (a north London club) are in the national league south? 🤔
As a Dortmund fan I have to say.....nightmare. 😂
Solihull moors spent money during a transfer embargo? I think a few of the premier league teams were non league in the present day.
in Bundesliga 2/3 of the Teams changed. So its a big change.
That Brendford case needs investigation ;o
Full trasnfer embargo to all clubs in the World. There we can see which continent has the best academy in the World
How Solihull morrs was able to soend money in the transfer embargo?🤔
The youth draw is one big lottery, so it makes sense that things get shuffled. That´s only one problem, the other being that some teams don´t produce much youth if any at all. Another can of worms is players and their unhappiness if not given the right contract because the club can´t afford the wages, do they just leave and end up rotting in the list?
This also probably means that a club like Man Utd. released a lot of semi decent players on a free instead of keeping them.
Mexico winning the world cup in 2022 is interesting
Should have looked at Burnley! They got Europe with the embargo
why is charlton in national league north, surely they should be south?
How did you hover over Europa league and not even realise Colchester United won it
Notice the little change to Bundesliga, due to the high amounts of homegrown players ;)
Anyway we could have a link for this experiment??
I'd assume that what happened to Brentford is because they have got rid of their Academy in real life so I dont know if thats replicated in a way on FM
Surprised no one’s mentioned their 8 league titles.
Experiment suggestion: what if you make a few tweaks on editor to make all major europe nations and leagues sunk down and another nations (like Portugal, austria, belgium, croatia and so on) became top class nations and leagues?
You could add embargos to top nations, lower down the youth rating, and do the opposite to another leagues 😬
What do you mean with Portugal is not a football top class league/nation???
JK, unfortunately I know we aren't.
Portuguese league still being 4th in the league ranks is mental
Look at doing a transfer embargo on USA and Mexico leagues.
Feels like Scotland was deleted from this save it was that bad. What a poor showing.
In my first season Tottenham got relegated West Ham won it and I finished 12th as Norwich
Solihull Moore 🤯
Tottenham
Tottenham down in the a national league you love to see it
Telstar runner up in the Europa League, wow