Maybe this will resonate with Paul. When I taught high school English in NYC, I was able to get teenagers to read works such as _The Crucible_ , _Death of a Salesman_ , _Dutchman_ , _Invisible Man_ , _Moby Dick_ , _Bamboozled_ , etc. and begin to question how the ideology of state apparatuses work on us and partially through us via our tacit complicity. It was tremendously enjoyable to work with American teenagers to break through all the white noise. What I wasn't prepared for was the animosity this created among other adults in the institution. How dare I go off a script whose existence I naively wasn't even aware of and treat these students as emerging adults deserving of an education that respects their hungry intelligence. In many institutions, there is a habitus of coercive pressure to conform to the neutered expectations others have nestled themselves into.
"It was once race, class, gender were the big three... Class was very much put aside... People began to mock Marxist analysis... Gender and sexuality came to the fore... A consistent reward system popped up across the humanities."
This is an important subject that very seldom is addressed. Majority of people these days get their world view through entertainment and celebrities. No joke.
Pop culture is the new religion - the fentanyl of the masses. World War I, the 'Industrial Revolution', and and the subsequent advent of pop culture, changed the relationship between human beings. We are likely on a cusp of a change that many are unwilling to face. Dick Gregory use to say "they show in the movies first, what they are about to do". I'm not well read and have watched a lot of T.V. in my lifetime as a baby-boomer. I think I've learned a lot from what I've watched on TV, and what I have read. I don't feel bad about not being more informed, especially of details, having witnessed so many highly educated people who deny common sense, hard/stark reality, and science.
When I was researching the social, economic, psychological, and political technique of the ease of freely downloadable entertainment content, I came across a poster who stated she loves being able to download freely whatever film or TV series she wants because it makes her feel rich. BINGO!!!!!
Man, I always enjoy the content and the guests here. Is it the algorithm that's pushing you guys down? I feel like you should have way more views and interactions.
Awesome discussion! "The Asphalt Jungle" is a great film, though it had me pretty down for a while. What Paul said about some recent depictions of African Americans resonated with me concerning LGBT+ people, and I think it might be even worse in that area. Some of this probably springs from the well-meaning (at least occasionally) academic orthodoxies that were also talked about here. I remember queer theory classes that proclaimed virtually any negative depiction of an LGBT+ character was a big no-no. By "negative" I don't mean showing LGBT+ people as evil or perverted, but simply showing them as sad, conflicted, or struggling. That would be called unacceptable unless whatever was wrong was directly and explicitly linked to homophobia/transphobia. Now today I know plenty of fellow gay men who have this tendency to obsessively identify upward, and some take it to a very nasty, condescending place. The tragicomic thing being a lot of these people are suffering horribly under capitalism but, like so many others, they've been brainwashed into telling themselves "I'm not REALLY a worker like those losers." Even worse, they've ended up turning their identity into a badge of coolness rather than letting it aid them in developing empathy and solidarity with others.
Eileen is great! I wish we could see her on a more regular basis. Maybe a series about films/media that had big impact in society without being political at all, Top Gun as she explained is a great example. I know the topic is a bit too specific but it could make a big difference for the defenseless people against brain-washing media, to see these works dissected, exposing how they manufacture our consent to take a big step such as joining the army or agreeing unanimously on a war. Kinda like debunking flat-earth theorists. It might seem pointless to argue with them sometimes, but worked pretty well in the long run. A series of 6-10 minute videos is a great format for content like this. As much as I would love to see Eileen and you guys have more in-depth conversations like this, people need a smaller bite-sized vehicle for these information to spread and a great hook for non-lefties.
Thanks a lot for this segment. I think this is one of the best discussions that I have seen on this channel so far, though I've only started semi-regularly watching your content for a couple months. I think more conversations like this are sorely needed. Eileen Jones provided a lot of interesting insights I have not heard before, and was a lot of fun to listen to. She should probably be featured again, methinks.
A lot of the most thought provoking political content has been in major popular science fiction TV series like Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse and Altered Carbon. Not to mention the Mars series on National Geographic.
Loved this! Would love to hear more on this allegiance between capitalism and moralism. An anecdote, to show that the 'good dog/bad dog' criticism stuff even percolates down to everyday discourse: Just this weekend I was talking with some acquaintances, both of them eager to talk up a film they really enjoyed. They were obviously wracked with a conflicted conscience because, apparently, the scenes or the world it depicted were ugly and 'problematic', and so they were clearly struggling to find some way to redeem the value they saw in the movie in ways that wouldn't lead them to betray their nice liberal morals. So it seems that there is even a 'second-order' brainwashing, i.e. even the criticism *of* media which we take in ends up determining the conceptual framework in which we can articulate our own, personal responses to media. 🤷♂️ As a request, maybe for a later interview: I felt that the discussion mostly stayed pretty abstract. It would have been cool to hear more about *what* this brainwashing is/consists in (how it works, what its aims are, how it achieves them), and I feel like much of the answer would only come from inquiring into how it works by talking about particular instances of media and our responses to it. What is this special power of cinema/media? Jones hinted at it, and maybe it's elementary film theory stuff, but some of us newbs would have benefited from hearing.
Every time someone mentions Eve Sedgwick on the internet my sixth sense tingles and I’m mysteriously drawn to it. Never heard the term “good dog bad dog” but her “paranoid vs reparative reading” idea changed the way I think about art.
The analogy i always use for the current media landscape is not so much that it is monolithic or that you get one idea propagated over and over, its more like those images you see from Africa or India where people living in extreme poverty spend their days sifting through giant mountains of garbage looking for something of value. The media landscape is mostly just trash. One ends up spending less time watching something and more time looking for something to watch that is worth while. This is conducive to the capitalist system which produces enormous quantities of rubbish. This is the material condition as it pertains to media.
Great conversation, any discussion that can use a Frankfurt School analysis in its critique is a welcome change from the faux left woke commentary. Thank you.
Also I know about the influence of the "anti capitalist" capitalist media but for me it just ends up reaffirming my beliefs and I only see what I agree with unless its very obvious, until and unless its pointed out to me by someone else. And I don't know is that a universal experience.
If you lop off the final two minutes of _The Truman Show_ , it is a very subversive film. It is amazing how two-minutes of a box-office ending is all it takes to deflate the potential power of a film.
On one level, everything is propaganda. But if we take "propaganda" in the negative sense of willful deceit to harm the recipient in some way, which ten films would you suggest are both great films and without much propagandistic baggage? I'll second Eileen's recommendation of _The Asphalt Jungle_ and add _Lawrence of Arabia_ and _Bridge on the River Kwai_ .
_Game of Thrones_ was a unique kind of propaganda that has risen since the 1980s. It is a subtle kind of propaganda influenced by the collective psychology of the times. The creatives involved are not necessarily aware of the propaganda; the collective psychology works unwittingly through them. _GoT_ played its part in helping people psychologically come to terms with a decentered society, that in a neoliberal world they are on their own either to sink or swim, that they will own and control very little, and they should like it. They can even get two months' free access to Skillshare to help them make the necessary and continuous adjustments.
After hearing Eileen discuss some 1970s films that worked to get working class people to accept and tolerate the decisions of capital, I guess the propaganda of _GoT_ is not that unique after all.
@@pequodexpress Yeah, GoT is just a continuation in a very long campaign of social Darwinism. It's quite a miracle a significant portion of humanity steered away from that (however briefly and to debatable degree) in part of the 20th century.
@@closethockeyfan5284 What other entertainment propaganda would you place in this arsenal of social Darwinism? I guess I would add professional sports. These are all tributaries that feed the same agenda.
@@pequodexpress Through a certain lens, yes, but it depends on the sport. Cage-fighting? Absolutely, it's meant to be a fight until incapacitation. Baseball? Eh, not so much. I think more of the glut of action movies wherein the death of many expendable minor characters and extras means absolutely nothing--and the hero is often portrayed as such for being able to use violence to eliminate (in some cases knocking out, but often killing) various henchmen who are also treated as expendable. Huge subsections of the genre are completely predicated on the survival of the fittest, which usually translates to the best at wielding deadly violence.
This interview prompted me to finally log in to my Jacobin account and download and archive with a searchable index all 42 volumes, all 4,323 pages. There's nothing on Michael Cimino's _Heaven's Gate_ (1980). While some have considered this film the big flop that changed Hollywood forever, I disagree. I thought it was a point-blank shot to the head of U.S. class warfare. This film needs to be shown non-stop for the next twelve months. This and Kazan's _A Face in the Crowd_ (1957).
This is why it is still possible to download copyrighted films and music so easily. It is more important for the propaganda in these "vehicles" to be circulated widely and, if necessary, freely. It is all grease for the machine. The early 1980s is the point of fissure, where mass entertainment started being overtly more propagandistic than earlier films. Propaganda in earlier films was not necessarily as overt as post-1980's films. Michael Cimino's _Heaven's Gate_ is often seen as a demarcated point where the film industry pivoted more toward being a propaganda machine.
@@hansfrankfurter2903 When we constantly absorb the images, ideas, and implicit values undergirding much of popular entertainment, we incrementally shift our world view in that direction. The incremental shifts, themselves, are unnoticeable, but the eventual aggregate is compliance with the way things are, despite our possible misery. We tend to think that we are the problem if we can't quite accept the order of things; we don't question enough how the "order of things" got ordered the way they are, and there seems to be less space to ask these questions than it was 50 years ago or 100 years ago, when the ordering was more up for grabs. How did consensus become so consolidated?
Hot take here but am I the only one who thinks that Parasite was actually a dumb film? None of Bong Joon Ho's films resonate with me. Each one starts out with a promising premise and then devolves into something banal or pseudo profound.
I really liked Parasite but I’m wondering if you can elaborate on this idea? What about it did you find dumb or banal? Not trying to get into a debate about this movie (I can’t imagine anything more pointless), but just curious to hear your thoughts, since most people I’ve spoken to also liked Parasite.
@@Serioslump to be honest it’s been a while since I saw it. All I can tell you is that I was excited to see it and I loved the opening scenes but as the plot developed and came together it didn’t continue to pull me in. I was genuinely curious to see how it would all play out and instead I was treated to a disjointed bloody mess. In the end it tried to shoehorn in its message rather clumsily… and what was that message exactly? I haven’t done a deep dive into the critical analysis of the movie so you’ll have to explain that to me because I still have no idea. I welcome a critique of capitalism, I just don’t think parasite does this particularly well
Lastly, I think I was also really turned off by the framing of the workers as parasites. The whole movie seems to have been framed from the perspective of someone from the upper middle class. It is my experience that the upper classes are far more dysfunctional and parasitic than they are presented to be in the movie (I’ve worked for some truly deranged and delusional employers). I imagine that’s also why it was such a critical darling. The brutal truth in my opinion is that most workers just want to be treated with dignity and respect and some of them even take great pride in their work. There are a lot of earnest suckers out there including myself and I think to believe otherwise belies a certain privilege. At the end I was wondering if this movie was less a critique of capitalism and more a story about greed. Also what was it trying say about the working class? That they are fundamentally untrustworthy?
@@1302Lennox That's exactly what would have made the film better, if it had shown in a profound way that the system makes nearly everyone a parasite. That's pretty much what Melville's _Moby Dick_ does: "Who ain't a slave?" But, instead, it does what most of these films -- _Matrix_ , _Fight Club_ , _V for Vendetta_ , _The Truman Show_ , etc. -- do: pander to an enjoyable wish-fulfillment fantasy, articulating our angst so we don't have to and can get back to believing that with just a little more hard work our day will come.
Yes, Eileen, it's well known that America, being a democracy, doesn't have a lower class any more. (Even "On the Waterfront" in 1954 was distributed with a mealy-mouthed apology in case America's simple moviegoers got the wrong idea.
I see some situationist in you Eileen. maybe that film studies did get to you! (im in Media Studies and Comm, consistently at odds with the culture-driven department)
Maybe this will resonate with Paul. When I taught high school English in NYC, I was able to get teenagers to read works such as _The Crucible_ , _Death of a Salesman_ , _Dutchman_ , _Invisible Man_ , _Moby Dick_ , _Bamboozled_ , etc. and begin to question how the ideology of state apparatuses work on us and partially through us via our tacit complicity. It was tremendously enjoyable to work with American teenagers to break through all the white noise. What I wasn't prepared for was the animosity this created among other adults in the institution. How dare I go off a script whose existence I naively wasn't even aware of and treat these students as emerging adults deserving of an education that respects their hungry intelligence. In many institutions, there is a habitus of coercive pressure to conform to the neutered expectations others have nestled themselves into.
"In many institutions..." so well said. I'm always talking about this but you said it better.
The primary impetus of any system is to perpetuate itself.
Thank you. Truly.
True. Although in the social studies department at my school, we are all a bunch of lefties who are trying to unionize the whole faculty. LOL.
@@TheJohnnyonthespot1 How well does your school put up with lefties in general?
"It was once race, class, gender were the big three... Class was very much put aside... People began to mock Marxist analysis... Gender and sexuality came to the fore... A consistent reward system popped up across the humanities."
This is an important subject that very seldom is addressed. Majority of people these days get their world view through entertainment and celebrities. No joke.
Pop culture is the new religion - the fentanyl of the masses. World War I, the 'Industrial Revolution', and and the subsequent advent of pop culture, changed the relationship between human beings. We are likely on a cusp of a change that many are unwilling to face. Dick Gregory use to say "they show in the movies first, what they are about to do". I'm not well read and have watched a lot of T.V. in my lifetime as a baby-boomer. I think I've learned a lot from what I've watched on TV, and what I have read. I don't feel bad about not being more informed, especially of details, having witnessed so many highly educated people who deny common sense, hard/stark reality, and science.
➡️
When I was researching the social, economic, psychological, and political technique of the ease of freely downloadable entertainment content, I came across a poster who stated she loves being able to download freely whatever film or TV series she wants because it makes her feel rich. BINGO!!!!!
Man, I always enjoy the content and the guests here. Is it the algorithm that's pushing you guys down? I feel like you should have way more views and interactions.
Awesome discussion! "The Asphalt Jungle" is a great film, though it had me pretty down for a while. What Paul said about some recent depictions of African Americans resonated with me concerning LGBT+ people, and I think it might be even worse in that area. Some of this probably springs from the well-meaning (at least occasionally) academic orthodoxies that were also talked about here. I remember queer theory classes that proclaimed virtually any negative depiction of an LGBT+ character was a big no-no. By "negative" I don't mean showing LGBT+ people as evil or perverted, but simply showing them as sad, conflicted, or struggling. That would be called unacceptable unless whatever was wrong was directly and explicitly linked to homophobia/transphobia. Now today I know plenty of fellow gay men who have this tendency to obsessively identify upward, and some take it to a very nasty, condescending place. The tragicomic thing being a lot of these people are suffering horribly under capitalism but, like so many others, they've been brainwashed into telling themselves "I'm not REALLY a worker like those losers." Even worse, they've ended up turning their identity into a badge of coolness rather than letting it aid them in developing empathy and solidarity with others.
Eileen is great! I wish we could see her on a more regular basis. Maybe a series about films/media that had big impact in society without being political at all, Top Gun as she explained is a great example. I know the topic is a bit too specific but it could make a big difference for the defenseless people against brain-washing media, to see these works dissected, exposing how they manufacture our consent to take a big step such as joining the army or agreeing unanimously on a war. Kinda like debunking flat-earth theorists. It might seem pointless to argue with them sometimes, but worked pretty well in the long run.
A series of 6-10 minute videos is a great format for content like this. As much as I would love to see Eileen and you guys have more in-depth conversations like this, people need a smaller bite-sized vehicle for these information to spread and a great hook for non-lefties.
Thanks a lot for this segment. I think this is one of the best discussions that I have seen on this channel so far, though I've only started semi-regularly watching your content for a couple months. I think more conversations like this are sorely needed. Eileen Jones provided a lot of interesting insights I have not heard before, and was a lot of fun to listen to. She should probably be featured again, methinks.
Good conversation and ultimately encouraging. Please keep it up.
A lot of the most thought provoking political content has been in major popular science fiction TV series like Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse and Altered Carbon. Not to mention the Mars series on National Geographic.
it's sick that American culture has people thinking "worker" mean failure...
Loved this! Would love to hear more on this allegiance between capitalism and moralism. An anecdote, to show that the 'good dog/bad dog' criticism stuff even percolates down to everyday discourse: Just this weekend I was talking with some acquaintances, both of them eager to talk up a film they really enjoyed. They were obviously wracked with a conflicted conscience because, apparently, the scenes or the world it depicted were ugly and 'problematic', and so they were clearly struggling to find some way to redeem the value they saw in the movie in ways that wouldn't lead them to betray their nice liberal morals. So it seems that there is even a 'second-order' brainwashing, i.e. even the criticism *of* media which we take in ends up determining the conceptual framework in which we can articulate our own, personal responses to media. 🤷♂️
As a request, maybe for a later interview: I felt that the discussion mostly stayed pretty abstract. It would have been cool to hear more about *what* this brainwashing is/consists in (how it works, what its aims are, how it achieves them), and I feel like much of the answer would only come from inquiring into how it works by talking about particular instances of media and our responses to it. What is this special power of cinema/media? Jones hinted at it, and maybe it's elementary film theory stuff, but some of us newbs would have benefited from hearing.
Every time someone mentions Eve Sedgwick on the internet my sixth sense tingles and I’m mysteriously drawn to it. Never heard the term “good dog bad dog” but her “paranoid vs reparative reading” idea changed the way I think about art.
The analogy i always use for the current media landscape is not so much that it is monolithic or that you get one idea propagated over and over, its more like those images you see from Africa or India where people living in extreme poverty spend their days sifting through giant mountains of garbage looking for something of value. The media landscape is mostly just trash. One ends up spending less time watching something and more time looking for something to watch that is worth while. This is conducive to the capitalist system which produces enormous quantities of rubbish. This is the material condition as it pertains to media.
Fantastic conversation
Great conversation, any discussion that can use a Frankfurt School analysis in its critique is a welcome change from the faux left woke commentary. Thank you.
Also I know about the influence of the "anti capitalist" capitalist media but for me it just ends up reaffirming my beliefs and I only see what I agree with unless its very obvious, until and unless its pointed out to me by someone else. And I don't know is that a universal experience.
This was a great one.
this is great!
Yes it is, the only way to fight it is to make better movies, if you can. This type of media is cancer.
If you lop off the final two minutes of _The Truman Show_ , it is a very subversive film. It is amazing how two-minutes of a box-office ending is all it takes to deflate the potential power of a film.
On one level, everything is propaganda. But if we take "propaganda" in the negative sense of willful deceit to harm the recipient in some way, which ten films would you suggest are both great films and without much propagandistic baggage?
I'll second Eileen's recommendation of _The Asphalt Jungle_ and add _Lawrence of Arabia_ and _Bridge on the River Kwai_ .
"supersize me" is pretty great, but it's pretty niche. as for fiction films, would les mis work?
@@ethanstump Les Mis is a great choice.
I'll add _A Face in the Crowd_ .
I would argue that propaganda requires intent.
I'll add Michael Cimino's _Heaven's Gate_ (1980). I love this film.
the way to do it is on Netflix and Amazon
To identify up? Good observation.
_Game of Thrones_ was a unique kind of propaganda that has risen since the 1980s. It is a subtle kind of propaganda influenced by the collective psychology of the times. The creatives involved are not necessarily aware of the propaganda; the collective psychology works unwittingly through them. _GoT_ played its part in helping people psychologically come to terms with a decentered society, that in a neoliberal world they are on their own either to sink or swim, that they will own and control very little, and they should like it. They can even get two months' free access to Skillshare to help them make the necessary and continuous adjustments.
After hearing Eileen discuss some 1970s films that worked to get working class people to accept and tolerate the decisions of capital, I guess the propaganda of _GoT_ is not that unique after all.
@@pequodexpress Yeah, GoT is just a continuation in a very long campaign of social Darwinism. It's quite a miracle a significant portion of humanity steered away from that (however briefly and to debatable degree) in part of the 20th century.
@@closethockeyfan5284 What other entertainment propaganda would you place in this arsenal of social Darwinism? I guess I would add professional sports. These are all tributaries that feed the same agenda.
@@pequodexpress Through a certain lens, yes, but it depends on the sport. Cage-fighting? Absolutely, it's meant to be a fight until incapacitation. Baseball? Eh, not so much.
I think more of the glut of action movies wherein the death of many expendable minor characters and extras means absolutely nothing--and the hero is often portrayed as such for being able to use violence to eliminate (in some cases knocking out, but often killing) various henchmen who are also treated as expendable. Huge subsections of the genre are completely predicated on the survival of the fittest, which usually translates to the best at wielding deadly violence.
Tbh, even though I watch it, YES
Yes.
Short answer: yes
This interview prompted me to finally log in to my Jacobin account and download and archive with a searchable index all 42 volumes, all 4,323 pages. There's nothing on Michael Cimino's _Heaven's Gate_ (1980). While some have considered this film the big flop that changed Hollywood forever, I disagree. I thought it was a point-blank shot to the head of U.S. class warfare. This film needs to be shown non-stop for the next twelve months. This and Kazan's _A Face in the Crowd_ (1957).
This is why it is still possible to download copyrighted films and music so easily. It is more important for the propaganda in these "vehicles" to be circulated widely and, if necessary, freely. It is all grease for the machine. The early 1980s is the point of fissure, where mass entertainment started being overtly more propagandistic than earlier films. Propaganda in earlier films was not necessarily as overt as post-1980's films. Michael Cimino's _Heaven's Gate_ is often seen as a demarcated point where the film industry pivoted more toward being a propaganda machine.
What is exactly is the "propaganda" ? What are we being brainwashed with?
@@hansfrankfurter2903 American patriotism. capitalism and individualism.
@@borisnegrarosa9113 I guess that is sort of obvious. But are there any other things they're brainwashing us with?
@@hansfrankfurter2903 As if that isn't brainwashing enough. I'm not sure you're being serious.
@@hansfrankfurter2903 When we constantly absorb the images, ideas, and implicit values undergirding much of popular entertainment, we incrementally shift our world view in that direction. The incremental shifts, themselves, are unnoticeable, but the eventual aggregate is compliance with the way things are, despite our possible misery. We tend to think that we are the problem if we can't quite accept the order of things; we don't question enough how the "order of things" got ordered the way they are, and there seems to be less space to ask these questions than it was 50 years ago or 100 years ago, when the ordering was more up for grabs. How did consensus become so consolidated?
Hot take here but am I the only one who thinks that Parasite was actually a dumb film? None of Bong Joon Ho's films resonate with me. Each one starts out with a promising premise and then devolves into something banal or pseudo profound.
It does try too hard to make its social statement, and in doing so loses greater significance.
I really liked Parasite but I’m wondering if you can elaborate on this idea? What about it did you find dumb or banal? Not trying to get into a debate about this movie (I can’t imagine anything more pointless), but just curious to hear your thoughts, since most people I’ve spoken to also liked Parasite.
@@Serioslump to be honest it’s been a while since I saw it. All I can tell you is that I was excited to see it and I loved the opening scenes but as the plot developed and came together it didn’t continue to pull me in. I was genuinely curious to see how it would all play out and instead I was treated to a disjointed bloody mess. In the end it tried to shoehorn in its message rather clumsily… and what was that message exactly? I haven’t done a deep dive into the critical analysis of the movie so you’ll have to explain that to me because I still have no idea. I welcome a critique of capitalism, I just don’t think parasite does this particularly well
Lastly, I think I was also really turned off by the framing of the workers as parasites. The whole movie seems to have been framed from the perspective of someone from the upper middle class. It is my experience that the upper classes are far more dysfunctional and parasitic than they are presented to be in the movie (I’ve worked for some truly deranged and delusional employers). I imagine that’s also why it was such a critical darling. The brutal truth in my opinion is that most workers just want to be treated with dignity and respect and some of them even take great pride in their work. There are a lot of earnest suckers out there including myself and I think to believe otherwise belies a certain privilege. At the end I was wondering if this movie was less a critique of capitalism and more a story about greed. Also what was it trying say about the working class? That they are fundamentally untrustworthy?
@@1302Lennox That's exactly what would have made the film better, if it had shown in a profound way that the system makes nearly everyone a parasite. That's pretty much what Melville's _Moby Dick_ does: "Who ain't a slave?" But, instead, it does what most of these films -- _Matrix_ , _Fight Club_ , _V for Vendetta_ , _The Truman Show_ , etc. -- do: pander to an enjoyable wish-fulfillment fantasy, articulating our angst so we don't have to and can get back to believing that with just a little more hard work our day will come.
Yes
Eileen Jones: °Anybody isn't going to be a good canvasser°. I feel so seen lol.
Any chance of getting JOE QUEENAN on your show?
Yes, Eileen, it's well known that America, being a democracy, doesn't have a lower class any more. (Even "On the Waterfront" in 1954 was distributed with a mealy-mouthed apology in case America's simple moviegoers got the wrong idea.
Maybe OTW could be remade with Kim Kardashian & Kanye West in the leads.
(And Joe Biden as the Padre?)
Why do you think Obama, the pres turned plutocrat, invested so heavily in Netflix and Hollywood in general?
Interesting
Critical thinking only works if you apply it to yourself first.
I see some situationist in you Eileen. maybe that film studies did get to you! (im in Media Studies and Comm, consistently at odds with the culture-driven department)
Lets go! Bel Gibson's- Passion of the Trans
Capitalist state/state capitalist
She’s got an Obama voice. Gives me hope.
This has got to be one of the whackiest takes I have ever heard.
putney swope...watch it