@@tiitto167 - Specifically, in “The Revenge of the Sith,” Count Dooku speaks the line attributed to Saruman in the post. Of course, Sarudookuman’s deep, rumbling voice is Christopher Lee in both films.
Saruman will always be the most defining film performance the late Christopher Lee has ever played for his entire career. Sure he's always known for playing as multiple villains within various movies he has appeared in such as James Bond, LOTR, Star Wars, and so on. Nevertheless, this actor has always brought an amazing performance in nearly every movies I've ever seened with him in it.
So true. I saw “Dracula Has Risen From the Grave” on the silver screen one Saturday matinee (25 cents!), and the performance of Christopher Lee as the vampire scared me so bad I almost…well, you get the idea. He was perfectly cast as Saruman.
I literally saw "The Lord of the Rings," and "Star Wars Episode II" back to back, and was taken by how much Saruman reminded me of the fallen Jedi, Count Dooku. It helped that both characters were played by the same actor, but also that both represented characters that once stood for "good," but lost faith, and fell to darkness.
‘But alas for Saruman! I fear nothing more can be made of him. He has withered altogether. All the same, I am not sure that Treebeard is right: I fancy he could do some mischief still in a small mean way.’ - Gandalf
An interesting character. He assumed he could either join with Sauron, or rival him in power. The first of Christopher Lee's film roles I saw him in, though I understand that when younger, he wanted to play Gandalf when Lord Of The Rings was trying to be adapted before Peter Jackson's films came along.
@@uselessmask3816 th-cam.com/video/vRVQD4FKPrY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UCD-UniversityCollegeDublin I think you need to get your facts straight. RIP Christopher Lee.
White when broken becomes many colours. Pretty fitting for Saruman given he was broken by his own greed for power and the will of Sauron through the orthanc stone.
I can't put my finger on exactly why, but one of my favorite passages from all of Tolkien's writings regards Saruman: "And Curunir Lan, Saruman the White, fell from his high errand, and becoming proud and impatient and enamored of power sought to have his own will by force, and to oust Sauron; but, he was ensnared by that dark spirit, mightier than he." It makes me wonder what a faithful Saruman would look like. If he were doing his job, Isengard would have been the new Weathertop of the West, holding Eriador and Gondor together. Where were his armaments, council, and power during Arnor's war with Angmar? Was his errand to the East so important that he could not come to aid Arnor in her time of need? Could he have rallied the Istari to help the children of his Patron against the Balrog the dwarves had disturbed in the depths of Khazad-Dum? He would have also been there to help Gondor against the Nazgul in 2000 TA when they laid siege to and won Minas Ithil. For all of these tragedies, Saruman is missing in action. Perhaps it took over two millennia to help the Blue Wizards secure pockets of resistance against the Shadow in the East, it is a mystery as to what Saruman was doing there for so long.
The Wizards were not sent to match others in battle, not matter how unfair it may seem to let men, elves, and dwarves batter Ainur such as Durin's Bane and Sauron. As for why, read Aquinas on why God (to whom Eru is equivalent) allows evil in the world when all evil could be eliminated in a Deus Ex Machina manner.
Just another comment on how much I would love to see a "Not so Epic" Character Histories video on the very small characters in the Legendarium. Just because people like Fatty Bolger and Ted Sandyman are not single video characters, even if it was just a few lines on each of them. It can be a whole series book by book just filling in the gaps between the truly epic characters.
Would it be so interesting? On Instagram today I can see average people posting about what food they ate for lunch. Imagine a fatty bolger book filled with pages of this type of information.
Imagine how much good Saruman could have done for all the Free People's of Middle Earth if he had not been arrogant and tempted by the Ring. He and Gandalf together would have been such a force for good. But sadly instead he fell to hubris and came to total ruin in the end.
I like how you pointed out how Saruman and Sauron both once served Aulë. That to me adds another layer of interest to why Saruman turned. He and Sauron both served the same master once. Why should they not do so again?
One thing that always stands out to me about Curumo's tale is that his jealousy consistently seems to get noticeably worse every time there's some sort of significant favor shown to Olórin, especially when it's done to his face. He also doesn't seem to have made any friends. Colleagues? Those were assigned to him. Subordinates? Later, yes, especially once his sense of self-superiority drove him to amass power. But friends? No. I wonder if it would have made things better or worse if he had consistently been shown a clearer sense of appreciation. How much, if any, of his fall could have been avoided (or at least delayed further) if there had been more communication about what was on his mind prior to the treachery setting in? If he felt that other members of the wise and powerful had confidence in him and valued his input, would he have been so inclined to turn on his solemn mission? On a different note, I had rather forgotten both Curumo and Mairon were students of Aulë. Unless they received instruction/oversight individually… then they probably would have literally worked together as students in the ancient past. I wonder if that made things especially awkward between them after the incident with Pippin and the palantír, since it may have been a bit more personal. : P
Funnily enough, like Count Dooku Saruman is an incredibly powerful former member of a benevolent organisation, but ultimately disposable. Strong and weak at once, blinded by arrogance, and ironically in serving evil for power, they become costumed slaves for the true Dark Lord.
I've always thought his story sad. But for a moment he nearly turned and embraced redemption, but at the last the darkness won out. Very sad indeed. He might have become great again. 😕
Unsaid is if Saruman, the Balrogs, and Sauron are given a choice to participate in Dagor Dagorath - choosing to fight against Morgoth in that battle would presumably gain redemption for all past evils.
The illustrations are breathtaking, and as my eyes are run over each one, I can only think that the biggest piece of art, the most royal and wonderful prince, is you. Your voice is poetry and light, joy and hope. Your voice is warm and peaceful. It is just art. Far better than any illustration of Tolkien’s world
Did Saruman murder both blue wizards to lower the opposition he knew he may encounter in the future, maybe secretly he knew his long term plan was to seek power-dominance. He often laughed at Radagast whom he saw as no threat though kept Gandalf at bay for a time….maybe yes or maybe no but it’s nice to speculate!
Saruman is such a great villain. In so many ways, his fall paralleled that of Sauron so many thousands of years earlier but in so many other ways it was different. Saruman's corruption began on his own back in Valinor and in the end he attempted to play both the Free Peoples and Sauron against one another only to fail with both.
I will not ever forget "Saroman the Mad", wielding the word, "Industry" whilst somehow embuing it with no subtle amount of personal resentment & wicked malice, describing the end results upon the world as,"the old world will burn!"
This is another masterfully made video made by Men of the West. I really enjoy the detailed information regarding these characters, their origins, their motives, their powers and their endings. I may end up getting the Extended Editions of the Lord of the Rings just for the backstories.
Saruman like the other maiar under Aulë were very complex characters. The fact that he too seeked power like Sauron, and the likes of Feanor and like Sauron would use his voice to influence people. Also I feel that jealousy of Gandalf was a part of his downfall since he felt that he was more superior to Gandalf. Like I’ve said many times before Aulë seems to lose control of those Maiar who were under him. Thanks for another great video Yoystan!
I suspect Melkor kept corrupting Maiar from before the creation of Arda from before the creation of Arda all the way through his initial imprisonment by the Valar.
Who would win: A Mutli Coloured Boi or a group of trees and a couple of short Bois?!!! Man Saruman, is a great moral character for people this day and age to show, even the mighty fall, just like Count Dooku in Star Wars...Both excellently portrayed by the great Sir Christopher Lee!!! Thanks so much for Saurman's ECH, Until What's Different ROTK Part 3...Marion Baggins Out!!!
You should do a character profile of Lord Denethor. He was not the fool Peter Jackson made him out to be. And he managed to resist Sauron through the Palantir while Sarumon did not.
Had Saruman not been slain by Wormtongue, I wonder what he would have done next, after accepting Frodo's mercy. Might he have gone on to find some measure of humility and redemption in the course of time, or would he just have continued indefinitely in bitterness and spite, making whatever petty trouble he could?
@@richjackson2986 - Only possibility of redemption would be to appear before the Valar and agree to accept their judgement, which might involve a stay of several ages in the Halls of Mandos, or even to end of the world at Dagor Dagorath.
I don't think he accepted Frodo's mercy so much as he had no real choice. He passed on his last real chance for redemption at his encounter with Gandalf at Orthanc.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Saruman accepted willingly. He absolutely had no choice at that point. I just wonder if he might eventually have mustered the courage to sail back west and accept the judgement of the Valar, rather than remain a malicious presence in Middle Earth.
Your way of describing stuff in such ways and sentences is wayyy tooo advanced for students even for Harvard ones too, keep it up bro, just watched fingolfin fight with melkor✨✨
Saruman is the personification that envy is a well from which only a fool drinks, the waters of which compels one to kiss the hand of one’s enemy if you cannot chop it off, and that his lust for power was never rooted in strength, but in weakness.
Could you do videos on Beings of Middle Earth Fellbeasts Spiders Mumakil Epic Character histories Thingol Manwe Aule Elwing Ulmo Varda Finwe Eol Maeglin Balin Oropher Beleg Fram Bolg Azog Bard Glaurung Smaug Tuor Hurin Turin Finarfin Fingon Fingolfin Grima Arwen Pippin Denthor Merry Eonwe Theoden Ecthelion (of the fountain) Anarion Gothmog(Lord of Balrogs) Region Spotlights Lindon Angmar Doriath Rhun Nogrod Belegost Mount Gundabad Iron Hills Minas Tirith Cirith Ungol Edoras Harad Weathertop Dol Guldur Umbar Gondolin Nargothrond Families of Middle Earth Sons of Fingolfin Sons of Finarfin Settlements of Middle Earth Settlements of Men in the first age Settlements of Orcs(All ages) Who Would Win Sauron vs Melian Galadriel vs Fingolfin Finwe vs Thingol Thorin vs Dain Feanor vs Fingolfin/Galadriel Elrond vs Cirdan Theories What if Boromir took the Ring What if Faramir took the Ring What if Legolas took the Ring What if Gimli took the Ring What if the Oathbreakers fulfilled their oath the first time What if Pippin hadn't looked in the palantir What if Glorfindel joined the Fellowship Middle Earth Geography Lands of Men (First Age) Lands of Elves (First Age) Artifacts of Arda Angachel? (I don't know how to spell it but it was a sword by Eol from a metiorite) Wars of the Legendarium Battles of Beleriand Also quick question can you do theories about the Silmarillion? If so, can you do these What if Feanor survived What if Maeglin did not reveal the place of Gondolin to Morgoth What if the Ring of Barahir was lost What if Sauron killed Beren and Luthien
The closest analog to the Wizards are Angels. One third of Angels fell due to jealousy. The message is that those who do not strive to be good, can fall to the weakness of man or angel.
I wonder if Saruman, after thousands of years on Middle-earth, started to think that the Valar would not attempt to do something effective there, thus motivating him to think that he could rule over the peoples there unimpeded.
Saruman knew about the previous interventions of the Valar in MIddle-Earth as well as why he and the other Istari were sent. I'm sure he was counting on them not intervening directly.
I know tolkien's works of middle earth have been compared to beowulf, but has anyone compared them toMerlin and King Arthur for Gandalf and Aragorn? Both gandalf and Merlin were king makers bringing a man and a fabled sword together to take up his kingship, Aragorn and Arthur.
Saruman's story is one of the most interesting ones and his fall one of the greatest that any of Tolkien's characters experienced, I think. Just imagine this was once a very respected Maia sent to ME to help who ended up betraying pretty much everyone including his old mindset, and in the end was taught a lesson by a hobbit and slain by one of the lowliest of men. Me and my friend, when we discuss his downfall, like to think that seeing the nerve of Saruman trying to enter the West after his death, Aulë himself could no longer watch the mayhem his disciples/servants have caused, called this the last straw and, with Manwë and others silently watching , personally took care of getting rid of Saruman's spirit.
The only being that could truly eliminate an Ainur was Eru the One, otherwise the Valar would have destroyed Morgoth for good at the end of the War of Wrath rather than exiling him beyond the Door of Night.
This is a what if suggestion. What if Saruman didn't betray the Free Peoples? Okay, he would still feel put upon by getting to hold Rhadagast's hand. Also, get distracted by the search for knowledge, but stayed loyal!
"Where is the ring, Gandalf!? Why do the Black Riders search for it in the Shire!? Have you hidden it there!? Would you rather see the Dark Lord have it!? Or SARUMAN OF MANY CULLAHS!?" - Saruman; Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings
The implication by Varda was clearly that Gandalf was at least equal to Saruman as generally Radagast was already a bit look down upon so Varda didn't have to say that Gandalf was over Radagast.
Loved this video! Just like your your previous ones!! One of the most interesting characters in the mythology. Question though. You mention Isildors remains were found by Aragorn and Gimli in orthanc. When was this? I read the books once a year every year, but I don't recall that. Is it written in the appendices. Which I don't read that often, probably something I've overlooked. Anyway would be really keen to hear more.
No remains of Isildur were found in Orthanc, but the Elendilmir (Star of Arnor) and some more minor artifacts believed to have been with him when he was shot by orcs were found there after Saruman vacated the premises.
Love listening to tales of middle earth. I hope that they do these stories justice in the show to come. I am sure Saruman had something to do with disappearance of the blue wizards. As only he returned and not they.
I imagine Saruman wearing a holo cloak. Like dude looks ready for a rave lmfao. It makes sense as to why it looks white, but when he moves it shows different colours.
Despite Tolkien speculating differently later, at least two different ways, and all of us (including myself) having our own pet theories, there's no getting around the dark implications of Saruman coming back to the West without the two Blue Wizards. The idea that he simply "did away with them" is easily the simplest theory to reconcile with the story as Tolkien wrote it down.
Possibly. But the Blue Wizards worked in the South and East of Middle Earth, presumably in Harad and Rhun. These areas were under Sauron's influence much longer than the lands of the West, and the Dark Lord would have had many spies in those regions. And so it is not unlikely that the Nazgul hunted down the Blue Wizards and destroyed them during the Third Age, perhaps with the aid of the Black Numenoreans and the Men of Harad.
@@timonsolus That's another variation of the tale, and consistent with Tolkien's public statements in many respects. But it's not necessarily the *first* idea that comes to mind, which was my only point.
I'm not at all sure of this but as I recall there are various other writings that indicate the Blue Wizards did help weaken Sauron's forces in the South and East so they weren't as strong as they could have been. Some later writings have the Blue Wizards arriving in Middle-Earth in the 2nd Age, long before Saruman arrived.
Thank you for sharing this video on Saruman! BTW, what did Saruman mean when he quoted that he was a "Ring-Maker"? I don't recall his rings at all... Thanks again! :)
It wasn’t in the movies, only the books. Ring Maker implies just that. Saruman had rediscovered how to make Rings of Power. Not surprising, as he had studied the history and arts of Sauron and in Valinor they both served the Vala Aulë. So, Sauron & Saruman were sort of brothers. Edit: Aulë is the Vala responsible for crafting and works of skill.
@@richjackson2986 Thank you for your response & your answer! It would only make sense for Saruman to construct a ring - just like Sauron did. I didn't remember that in the books, but I haven't read them in a long time either... Thank you once again! :)
Gandalf: “my powers have doubled since the last time we met old friend”
Saruman: “good. twice the pride, double the fall”
Great!
Cheesy movie lines.... not found in the true LOTR.
@@robinmiller871 It's not from LOTR but SW, actually a great movie line.
@@tiitto167 - Specifically, in “The Revenge of the Sith,” Count Dooku speaks the line attributed to Saruman in the post. Of course, Sarudookuman’s deep, rumbling voice is Christopher Lee in both films.
"Saruman, Sauron is evil!"
"From my point of view weak Men and foolish Halflings are evil!"
"Well then you are lost!"
I feel like Christopher Lee was the perfect man for the job. He is greatly missed.
Totally agree. Just rewatched the LoTR last week. He dominated every scene he was in. He and Ian McKellan were perfectly cast in their roles.
He did add a lot of gravitas to a character that no one think needed to be more threatening. True legend.
Completely agree.
I agree Christopher Lee was the perect person for the part
Absolutely!
"Is he a very great wizard, or is he more like you?"
- Bilbo
One does not simply abandon reason for madness
It is happening a lot today.....
Saruman will always be the most defining film performance the late Christopher Lee has ever played for his entire career. Sure he's always known for playing as multiple villains within various movies he has appeared in such as James Bond, LOTR, Star Wars, and so on. Nevertheless, this actor has always brought an amazing performance in nearly every movies I've ever seened with him in it.
So true. I saw “Dracula Has Risen From the Grave” on the silver screen one Saturday matinee (25 cents!), and the performance of Christopher Lee as the vampire scared me so bad I almost…well, you get the idea. He was perfectly cast as Saruman.
And games to...he played as the voice of Ansem in Kingdom Hearts II...
@@danielshaw2473 wait, he did voices in the video games too. That's nice, he also reprised his role to voice Count Dooku in the Clone Wars movie
@@geviesanta3631 True...question is, does anyone know any other game he voice acted in?...any at all?
Lord Summerisle in The Wicker Man (original), a cult classic.
He was involved with some Black Metal bands too, lol.
I literally saw "The Lord of the Rings," and "Star Wars Episode II" back to back, and was taken by how much Saruman reminded me of the fallen Jedi, Count Dooku. It helped that both characters were played by the same actor, but also that both represented characters that once stood for "good," but lost faith, and fell to darkness.
Imagine if Saruman stayed good, fellowship would have much easier task destroying the one ring
Saruman is an interesting character in my opinion. He shows how the mighty can fall
‘But alas for Saruman! I fear nothing more can be made of him. He has withered altogether. All the same, I am not sure that Treebeard is right: I fancy he could do some mischief still in a small mean way.’ - Gandalf
An interesting character. He assumed he could either join with Sauron, or rival him in power. The first of Christopher Lee's film roles I saw him in, though I understand that when younger, he wanted to play Gandalf when Lord Of The Rings was trying to be adapted before Peter Jackson's films came along.
Lee is a straight "satanist" he said so himself. He could never portray a good guy.
@@uselessmask3816 th-cam.com/video/vRVQD4FKPrY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UCD-UniversityCollegeDublin I think you need to get your facts straight. RIP Christopher Lee.
White when broken becomes many colours. Pretty fitting for Saruman given he was broken by his own greed for power and the will of Sauron through the orthanc stone.
I can't put my finger on exactly why, but one of my favorite passages from all of Tolkien's writings regards Saruman: "And Curunir Lan, Saruman the White, fell from his high errand, and becoming proud and impatient and enamored of power sought to have his own will by force, and to oust Sauron; but, he was ensnared by that dark spirit, mightier than he."
It makes me wonder what a faithful Saruman would look like. If he were doing his job, Isengard would have been the new Weathertop of the West, holding Eriador and Gondor together. Where were his armaments, council, and power during Arnor's war with Angmar? Was his errand to the East so important that he could not come to aid Arnor in her time of need? Could he have rallied the Istari to help the children of his Patron against the Balrog the dwarves had disturbed in the depths of Khazad-Dum? He would have also been there to help Gondor against the Nazgul in 2000 TA when they laid siege to and won Minas Ithil. For all of these tragedies, Saruman is missing in action. Perhaps it took over two millennia to help the Blue Wizards secure pockets of resistance against the Shadow in the East, it is a mystery as to what Saruman was doing there for so long.
The Wizards were not sent to match others in battle, not matter how unfair it may seem to let men, elves, and dwarves batter Ainur such as Durin's Bane and Sauron.
As for why, read Aquinas on why God (to whom Eru is equivalent) allows evil in the world when all evil could be eliminated in a Deus Ex Machina manner.
@@tominiowa2513 But they were sent to aid the Free Peoples in resisting Sauron. It's not clear what, if anything, Saruman ever did along those lines.
I've wondered, did he murdered them?
Just another comment on how much I would love to see a "Not so Epic" Character Histories video on the very small characters in the Legendarium. Just because people like Fatty Bolger and Ted Sandyman are not single video characters, even if it was just a few lines on each of them. It can be a whole series book by book just filling in the gaps between the truly epic characters.
Would it be so interesting? On Instagram today I can see average people posting about what food they ate for lunch. Imagine a fatty bolger book filled with pages of this type of information.
Imagine how much good Saruman could have done for all the Free People's of Middle Earth if he had not been arrogant and tempted by the Ring. He and Gandalf together would have been such a force for good. But sadly instead he fell to hubris and came to total ruin in the end.
The illustration with the cut down party tree reminded me of how sad the Scouring of the Shire was to read. Good video!
These videos on a Sunday evening make the looming Monday seem a lot better
Praised God for Tolkien and his fair family.
Another solid video. It is always a pleasure to see your videos pop up on my feed.
Thank you for uploading this.
I like how you pointed out how Saruman and Sauron both once served Aulë. That to me adds another layer of interest to why Saruman turned. He and Sauron both served the same master once. Why should they not do so again?
One thing that always stands out to me about Curumo's tale is that his jealousy consistently seems to get noticeably worse every time there's some sort of significant favor shown to Olórin, especially when it's done to his face. He also doesn't seem to have made any friends. Colleagues? Those were assigned to him. Subordinates? Later, yes, especially once his sense of self-superiority drove him to amass power. But friends? No. I wonder if it would have made things better or worse if he had consistently been shown a clearer sense of appreciation. How much, if any, of his fall could have been avoided (or at least delayed further) if there had been more communication about what was on his mind prior to the treachery setting in? If he felt that other members of the wise and powerful had confidence in him and valued his input, would he have been so inclined to turn on his solemn mission?
On a different note, I had rather forgotten both Curumo and Mairon were students of Aulë. Unless they received instruction/oversight individually… then they probably would have literally worked together as students in the ancient past. I wonder if that made things especially awkward between them after the incident with Pippin and the palantír, since it may have been a bit more personal. : P
7:44 You guys should do a video of theroies on the ring Saruman crafted, after all he did call himself "Saurman Ringmaker"
'Arumans treachery ran deeper than you know.
Funnily enough, like Count Dooku Saruman is an incredibly powerful former member of a benevolent organisation, but ultimately disposable. Strong and weak at once, blinded by arrogance, and ironically in serving evil for power, they become costumed slaves for the true Dark Lord.
I've always thought his story sad. But for a moment he nearly turned and embraced redemption, but at the last the darkness won out. Very sad indeed. He might have become great again. 😕
Unsaid is if Saruman, the Balrogs, and Sauron are given a choice to participate in Dagor Dagorath - choosing to fight against Morgoth in that battle would presumably gain redemption for all past evils.
Now i will call him "Saruman the RGB"
The illustrations are breathtaking, and as my eyes are run over each one, I can only think that the biggest piece of art, the most royal and wonderful prince, is you. Your voice is poetry and light, joy and hope. Your voice is warm and peaceful. It is just art. Far better than any illustration of Tolkien’s world
Lee was just perfect for this role.
Gandalf: Plays with smoke
Saruman: That bitch is mocking me
Did Saruman murder both blue wizards to lower the opposition he knew he may encounter in the future, maybe secretly he knew his long term plan was to seek power-dominance. He often laughed at Radagast whom he saw as no threat though kept Gandalf at bay for a time….maybe yes or maybe no but it’s nice to speculate!
nah, the blue Wizards ended up way South and opened up a payday loan store. They're doing fine.
I heard that they become oliphaunt sheperds in the South
Saruman is such a great villain. In so many ways, his fall paralleled that of Sauron so many thousands of years earlier but in so many other ways it was different. Saruman's corruption began on his own back in Valinor and in the end he attempted to play both the Free Peoples and Sauron against one another only to fail with both.
You know out off everything Tolkin I still find it both amazing and odd he uses normal months considering everything else he created lol
Great job once again mate!
Thank you kind soul, your videos allways bring Calmness to me, God Bless you and keep you safe.
RIP Christopher Lee., He was an amazing wizard !
It's too bad Saruman never redeemed himself despite all the chances he was given he could of been a great force for good.
I don't know about you, but Christopher Lee was the best choice to play Saruman
Wow the artworks are amazing
Re-Title: Saruman and his amazing Technicolor Dream Robes
Great vid, a lot of stuff I've missed - never picked up that Saruman would sneakily go into the Shire back in the day
You know I can't read or hear "Saruman of Many Colors" without my brain jumping to the clip of the Ralph Bakshi movie XD
Ah yes, evil methhead Santa Claus
Wat talk is this? What are you saying, Saruman?
I will not ever forget "Saroman the Mad", wielding the word, "Industry" whilst somehow embuing it with no subtle amount of personal resentment & wicked malice, describing the end results upon the world as,"the old world will burn!"
This is another masterfully made video made by Men of the West. I really enjoy the detailed information regarding these characters, their origins, their motives, their powers and their endings. I may end up getting the Extended Editions of the Lord of the Rings just for the backstories.
Saruman like the other maiar under Aulë were very complex characters. The fact that he too seeked power like Sauron, and the likes of Feanor and like Sauron would use his voice to influence people. Also I feel that jealousy of Gandalf was a part of his downfall since he felt that he was more superior to Gandalf. Like I’ve said many times before Aulë seems to lose control of those Maiar who were under him. Thanks for another great video Yoystan!
Yeah, Ilúvatar might want to keep a better eye on him.
@Enerdhil actually the Balrogs were servants of Melkor/ Morgoth since the beginning
I suspect Melkor kept corrupting Maiar from before the creation of Arda from before the creation of Arda all the way through his initial imprisonment by the Valar.
Just in time for dinner hahaha.
I was wondering if you would do a video about the nameless things below Moria?
Oh yea there is still so little we know about these creatures
Thank you to everyone who made this video!!!! Wonderful to hesr, I need to reread the Rings books💛💛💛💛
Great video. Love hearing about the characters from rise to fall. So interesting to hear what happened to Saruman after the events of LOTR 👍🏼
He’s my favorite LOTR character
Who would win: A Mutli Coloured Boi or a group of trees and a couple of short Bois?!!!
Man Saruman, is a great moral character for people this day and age to show, even the mighty fall, just like Count Dooku in Star Wars...Both excellently portrayed by the great Sir Christopher Lee!!!
Thanks so much for Saurman's ECH, Until What's Different ROTK Part 3...Marion Baggins Out!!!
@@Enerdhil No...I don't think so...
The wizard fell from grace, and you could tell by his faaabulous new threads.
You should do a character profile of Lord Denethor. He was not the fool Peter Jackson made him out to be. And he managed to resist Sauron through the Palantir while Sarumon did not.
Fascinating and entertaining as usual! ⚔️
Had Saruman not been slain by Wormtongue, I wonder what he would have done next, after accepting Frodo's mercy. Might he have gone on to find some measure of humility and redemption in the course of time, or would he just have continued indefinitely in bitterness and spite, making whatever petty trouble he could?
I don’t think he would have found redemption. Though that was Frodo’s hope, Saruman stated that Frodo was being “wise and cruel”.
@@richjackson2986 - Only possibility of redemption would be to appear before the Valar and agree to accept their judgement, which might involve a stay of several ages in the Halls of Mandos, or even to end of the world at Dagor Dagorath.
I don't think he accepted Frodo's mercy so much as he had no real choice. He passed on his last real chance for redemption at his encounter with Gandalf at Orthanc.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Saruman accepted willingly. He absolutely had no choice at that point. I just wonder if he might eventually have mustered the courage to sail back west and accept the judgement of the Valar, rather than remain a malicious presence in Middle Earth.
Nice work dude thanks
Christopher Lee as Saruman and Count Dooku, and Ian McKellen as Gandalf and Megneto are some of the best casting decisions ever made!!
Francisco Scaramanga to Sharky. Legend.
Still think his staff was the best looking. It screamed power and authority.
The love of the halfings leaf has clearly slowed your mind
I prefer Gandalf the whites staff
Your way of describing stuff in such ways and sentences is wayyy tooo advanced for students even for Harvard ones too, keep it up bro, just watched fingolfin fight with melkor✨✨
Saruman is the personification that envy is a well from which only a fool drinks, the waters of which compels one to kiss the hand of one’s enemy if you cannot chop it off, and that his lust for power was never rooted in strength, but in weakness.
It could be argued that his fall began before his return from the east. oO
Could you do videos on
Beings of Middle Earth
Fellbeasts
Spiders
Mumakil
Epic Character histories
Thingol
Manwe
Aule
Elwing
Ulmo
Varda
Finwe
Eol
Maeglin
Balin
Oropher
Beleg
Fram
Bolg
Azog
Bard
Glaurung
Smaug
Tuor
Hurin
Turin
Finarfin
Fingon
Fingolfin
Grima
Arwen
Pippin
Denthor
Merry
Eonwe
Theoden
Ecthelion (of the fountain)
Anarion
Gothmog(Lord of Balrogs)
Region Spotlights
Lindon
Angmar
Doriath
Rhun
Nogrod
Belegost
Mount Gundabad
Iron Hills
Minas Tirith
Cirith Ungol
Edoras
Harad
Weathertop
Dol Guldur
Umbar
Gondolin
Nargothrond
Families of Middle Earth
Sons of Fingolfin
Sons of Finarfin
Settlements of Middle Earth
Settlements of Men in the first age
Settlements of Orcs(All ages)
Who Would Win
Sauron vs Melian
Galadriel vs Fingolfin
Finwe vs Thingol
Thorin vs Dain
Feanor vs Fingolfin/Galadriel
Elrond vs Cirdan
Theories
What if Boromir took the Ring
What if Faramir took the Ring
What if Legolas took the Ring
What if Gimli took the Ring
What if the Oathbreakers fulfilled their oath the first time
What if Pippin hadn't looked in the palantir
What if Glorfindel joined the Fellowship
Middle Earth Geography
Lands of Men (First Age)
Lands of Elves (First Age)
Artifacts of Arda
Angachel? (I don't know how to spell it but it was a sword by Eol from a metiorite)
Wars of the Legendarium
Battles of Beleriand
Also quick question can you do theories about the Silmarillion?
If so, can you do these
What if Feanor survived
What if Maeglin did not reveal the place of Gondolin to Morgoth
What if the Ring of Barahir was lost
What if Sauron killed Beren and Luthien
Excellent Video.
The closest analog to the Wizards are Angels. One third of Angels fell due to jealousy. The message is that those who do not strive to be good, can fall to the weakness of man or angel.
The closest analog to the Ainur (Wizards of course being Ainur) are Christian Angels.
The parallels between the Ainur, of whom the Istari were a part, and Angels are pretty well know so this is not surprising.
Christopher Lee did such a great job in his portrayal of Saruman that I actually rooted for him.
THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD, THEYRE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD
I don't want anyone else to play Saruman. I love Christopher Lee
When the roll model you've looked up to your entire life falls beneath you for being jealous of you for having what they don't...
Aahhh yes......the old toby. Settles your nerves. Old Toby= Sour Diesel. New Toby= Venom OG
Did anyone ever find out about the 2 blue wizards?
Just finished Astonishing Legends' The Pied Piper of Hamelin. Good info on the meaning of many-colored garments.
Yay new video! I have question, will you ever be making music again for your other channel?
I hope so! My brother who makes the music has been quite busy recently, but hopefully we can start doing that again!
FINALLY THANK YOU SO MUCH
Saruman story is kinda sad
Aule must have received repeated glares from the other Ainur for having the faction that had most fallen Maia.
The greatest faction of fallen Maia was those who joined Melkor in discord during the Ainulindalë and then disregarded Eru's chastisement.
I wonder if Saruman, after thousands of years on Middle-earth, started to think that the Valar would not attempt to do something effective there, thus motivating him to think that he could rule over the peoples there unimpeded.
His former boss, Morgoth had the same misconception.
Saruman knew about the previous interventions of the Valar in MIddle-Earth as well as why he and the other Istari were sent. I'm sure he was counting on them not intervening directly.
I know tolkien's works of middle earth have been compared to beowulf, but has anyone compared them toMerlin and King Arthur for Gandalf and Aragorn? Both gandalf and Merlin were king makers bringing a man and a fabled sword together to take up his kingship, Aragorn and Arthur.
Chrissy Teagan was created by Saruman. Perhaps his greatest Uruk'hai.
His greatest power was being played by Christopher Lee.
Saruman's story is one of the most interesting ones and his fall one of the greatest that any of Tolkien's characters experienced, I think. Just imagine this was once a very respected Maia sent to ME to help who ended up betraying pretty much everyone including his old mindset, and in the end was taught a lesson by a hobbit and slain by one of the lowliest of men. Me and my friend, when we discuss his downfall, like to think that seeing the nerve of Saruman trying to enter the West after his death, Aulë himself could no longer watch the mayhem his disciples/servants have caused, called this the last straw and, with Manwë and others silently watching , personally took care of getting rid of Saruman's spirit.
The only being that could truly eliminate an Ainur was Eru the One, otherwise the Valar would have destroyed Morgoth for good at the end of the War of Wrath rather than exiling him beyond the Door of Night.
Anytime Yoystan talks about Saruman I click.
Awesome video really enjoyed it
This is a what if suggestion. What if Saruman didn't betray the Free Peoples? Okay, he would still feel put upon by getting to hold Rhadagast's hand. Also, get distracted by the search for knowledge, but stayed loyal!
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The two blue Wizards went to Middle Earth in the year 1200 of the Second Age, together with Glorfindel.
Such an amazing video
What a tragic fallen character Saruman was.
"Where is the ring, Gandalf!? Why do the Black Riders search for it in the Shire!? Have you hidden it there!? Would you rather see the Dark Lord have it!? Or SARUMAN OF MANY CULLAHS!?" - Saruman; Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings
Well done Sir🍻
What if Elrond warns Gondor instead sending galadriel to lorien.
I really hope to be in a situation to buy you a month of Sandwiches. Jersey Mike's? You've always been astounding.
Vale Christopher Lee for a truly excellent portrayal of the white wizard
The implication by Varda was clearly that Gandalf was at least equal to Saruman as generally Radagast was already a bit look down upon so Varda didn't have to say that Gandalf was over Radagast.
Loved this video! Just like your your previous ones!! One of the most interesting characters in the mythology. Question though. You mention Isildors remains were found by Aragorn and Gimli in orthanc. When was this? I read the books once a year every year, but I don't recall that. Is it written in the appendices. Which I don't read that often, probably something I've overlooked. Anyway would be really keen to hear more.
No remains of Isildur were found in Orthanc, but the Elendilmir (Star of Arnor) and some more minor artifacts believed to have been with him when he was shot by orcs were found there after Saruman vacated the premises.
Love listening to tales of middle earth. I hope that they do these stories justice in the show to come. I am sure Saruman had something to do with disappearance of the blue wizards. As only he returned and not they.
I imagine Saruman wearing a holo cloak. Like dude looks ready for a rave lmfao. It makes sense as to why it looks white, but when he moves it shows different colours.
I hope they get one more appearance of Gandolf before he passes away
Thanks
Tada and suddenly my childhood is complete
Despite Tolkien speculating differently later, at least two different ways, and all of us (including myself) having our own pet theories, there's no getting around the dark implications of Saruman coming back to the West without the two Blue Wizards. The idea that he simply "did away with them" is easily the simplest theory to reconcile with the story as Tolkien wrote it down.
Possibly. But the Blue Wizards worked in the South and East of Middle Earth, presumably in Harad and Rhun.
These areas were under Sauron's influence much longer than the lands of the West, and the Dark Lord would have had many spies in those regions.
And so it is not unlikely that the Nazgul hunted down the Blue Wizards and destroyed them during the Third Age, perhaps with the aid of the Black Numenoreans and the Men of Harad.
@@timonsolus That's another variation of the tale, and consistent with Tolkien's public statements in many respects. But it's not necessarily the *first* idea that comes to mind, which was my only point.
I'm not at all sure of this but as I recall there are various other writings that indicate the Blue Wizards did help weaken Sauron's forces in the South and East so they weren't as strong as they could have been. Some later writings have the Blue Wizards arriving in Middle-Earth in the 2nd Age, long before Saruman arrived.
Saruman: "Hey. Dunlendings. Work for me, or I'll use my voice on you."
Dunlendings: "Your voice? What's that gonna do? No."
Saruman: "FUS RO DAH!"
Thank you for sharing this video on Saruman! BTW, what did Saruman mean when he quoted that he was a "Ring-Maker"? I don't recall his rings at all... Thanks again! :)
It wasn’t in the movies, only the books.
Ring Maker implies just that. Saruman had rediscovered how to make Rings of Power. Not surprising, as he had studied the history and arts of Sauron and in Valinor they both served the Vala Aulë. So, Sauron & Saruman were sort of brothers.
Edit: Aulë is the Vala responsible for crafting and works of skill.
@@richjackson2986 Thank you for your response & your answer! It would only make sense for Saruman to construct a ring - just like Sauron did. I didn't remember that in the books, but I haven't read them in a long time either... Thank you once again! :)