I love how transparent they were about the doubles in this movie, unlike the Black Swan, where they pretended Natalie Portman pretty much did everything.
To be honest I haven't watched the movie BUT as a ballet dancer who was very insulted by the whole "Black Swan" scandal I applaud that the team of "I, Tonya" seems to be so very open about using doubles and naming them. Like Ballet Ice Skating is an incredible art form that can't be learned during the shoot of a movie. So thanks for explaining the details and transitions. It was very interesting to watch.
Natalie Portman spoke about her double in multiple interviews. I don't know why you think the team was trying to hide it? She DID train for multiple months to make it as believable as possible and was transparent about her double doing the footwork and harder scenes. The only reason the double didn't get credit in the film is because doubles don't usually get credit.
hydrolito being listed at the end credits is not the same as the credit they gave to Margot’s doubles. Natalie didn’t even thank her double in her Oscar acceptance speech, not that she has to, but it would’ve been nice. Plus, the publicity around Black Swan was always “Natalie did 99% of the dancing” when that’s simply not true and impossible.
I love how the real Tonya Harding wanted to help train Margot so she didn't get hurt trying to attempt the things she did lol I think that's something that the movie kind of forgot about, is that the real Tonya was kind of a sweetheart, despite having some rough edges. She really cared about people, even if she couldn't get too close to them. You just see it in her eyes, she has a big heart. I think Margot did an incredible job, but I think that they were lacking a bit of that Tonya vulnerability until the very end.
The choreographer stated that the doubles were able to do all the triple jumps except the triple axle, so they were accomplished skaters because some women skaters today still can't do the triple axle, although most do. Those they are not strong in triple jumps try to make up points in artistry.
France2107 only a few active female skaters can actually perform a triple axel. even if the doubles could do it, it’s too risky and they had the olympics coming up
@@yeriberri3757 Tonya is a compulsive liar. She's changed her story so many times you have no idea what's the truth and what's not. All we do know for sure is that Tonya is a liar.
This is amazing, Tonya did the triple axel in the 90’s , and now 30 years later they couldn’t find someone who can successfully do it. Just showing you how amazing and unique she was
I mean active right now I think there are one or two female skaters that can do a triple axel. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they filmed during the competition season lol. I know in total, including retired and excluding Tonya Harding, there are 7 other female skaters who've accomplished the Triple Axel.
Woah I thought they just pasted Margot Robbie's face on the body the whole time but actually she did preparation and landing shots plus the 2500 head and torso positions for the special effects. She did lots. Skating training and replicating the accent. I'm so glad I went to see it in cinemas.
One of my favorite little tidbits about the initial discussion about filming the triple is the film makers finding out there's like 4 women in the world who could do one, and none of them were available because it was during the season lol. They did really well to blend the doubles together.
Artemist I don’t understand why they wouldn’t participate though? Because they’re obviously practising their triple axels for the Olympics, wouldn’t this be a good way of getting the practice in and also making money by being part of the movie?
I think a major part of it was risk of injury - there's a few women who can do it but they don't land it consistantly which means there's A LOT of falling. There's a reason Mirai Nagasu landing it in the team competition was such a big deal, it's that rarely landed in competition. The other part is time/schedule - the skaters would have to be available on location for however long they were needed which isn't realistic for skaters who were in the midst of their competitive seasons. The skaters would have been in the middle of nationals and their grand prix assignments in the run up season for the Olympics.
All the women in the world who can currently do a triple axel are either Asian-American or Japanese, and do not physically resemble Tonya Harding or Margot Robbie. There are only two women on the senior international circuit who are able to do one.
I Love her so much. I grew up in Portland, OR also, and she was a huge inspiration to me. We even skated in the same rink! It was a rink in the Clackamas mall... I was so honored to have shared a rink with her. Sadly that ice rink has been taken out. There is only one other ice rink in this area now, and that's where I live, in Vancouver, WA where she currently has been skating a lot. It's so wonderful to see her on the ice again.
I knew instantly when the double came in because Margot's modern Jackson Artiste or Freestyle (label visable during the 94 Olympics scenes) boots became Edea Piano or Concerto boots during the spins and jumps. They are modern and made to take the stress off the foot when landing. A beginner skater wouldn't wear those advanced boots usually. The more you know!!!
Now that's dedication! Kudos for those who take part in making this film .... incredible, such motivation and stories need to told...it is like keypoint in sport!
Really amazing movie, and compared to most Ice skating sports films, its incredibly technical, but still saw a few mistakes, half way through some of the jumps they forgot to change the doubles' skates making it look like tonya was wear Ice Fly's (a brand of skates that weren't invented for another 30 years) also that prep for the triple axel is actually a prep for a triple lutz, as she is clearly lining up for a toe jump, Don't feel this is hate, really loved the movie!
I have a feeling the stunt doubles just didn't wear boots similar to Margot's and hoped no one noticed LOL. I thought she had Piano or Concerto? Maybe they were Ice Fly's, I'll have to watch it again. Sponsored by Edea? Margot wore Jackson freestyle for the relacing Olympic scene.
DD Lee Margot was wearing Jackson Competitor skates I believe but the stunt double was probably wearing Ice Fly’s as you at times can see the distinctive pattern on them.
I think for the purpose of the jumps being difficult and needing good gear that they’re comfortable in, the safest option were their own skates/the best freestyle boots
Yea I read in a comment somewhere else here that the doubles they had only could do the other Triple jumps but not the Triple axel. That explains the false preparation
@@cupcakemaniac123 I was looking for a comment about that. And the pre rotation is past 1/4. Although It's not a full flutz but it goes very very flat nearing inside and that there's so much pr is a little weird to me considering how they wanted perfect spins with no traveling but were fine with a super flat lutz.
Well Tonya did actually go into her 3A using a lutz-lookalike entrance. What I find more ironic is that Tonya had a perfect triple lutz during her career. Great outside edge and no pre-rotation, so these stunt doubles couldn’t even replicate her perfect technique on film
@@mozartandi I... don't think you understand the difference between a Lutz and an Axel entrance. Tonya's axel entry is a standard axel entry, the most basic way you learn to do it as a kid. A lutz, on the other hand, is a toe jump, so naturally the toe is behind for the entrance, which is what they mistakenly used in this shot.
I love this, I really thought Margot did all of it, it really was editing magic. I Tonya is one of my favorite movies to date. Props to everyone involved!!
The 80's That's when I met my husband , and 7 kids later I still love the Tonya Harding...story. and this actress Rocks It .Tarzan, and suicide squad.. I gotta buy" I ,Tonya "
Tonya’s triple axel was actually bigger and more rotated than the one in the movie. Her triple axel axis was tilted slightly more and swung her leg out more.
i really enjoyed this video. I'd love to have heard more about the difference in skating now and then. Also. There is no one who can do the triple axel at this point in time? Wow, even more credit for Tonya.
It's not true.Its very misleading. There are many people who can do it. But during filming nobody was available. Also they needed body doubles that looked like Tonya and Margot. Remember that Tonya was only the first AMERICAN woman to land a triple axel in a competition. Midori Ito was the first woman to land a triple axel ever in a competition.
Nice breakdown I like to see the thinking process of a choreographer that has to use body double. it's very interesting. Two flaws that I obsserve: 1) the 3 lutz is actually a flutz. Tonya Harding was one of the best jumper in her era and her 3 lutz was among the best (height, distance, and correct outside edge takeoff). At least the producer should had used a skater that can execute 3 lutz like Harding did; 2) the 3 axel preparation is actually for 3 lutz. She skated backward using her left leg similar to standard 3 lutz entry and suddenly the next scene she skated forward with her right leg ready for axel jump. Props for the director, choreographer, Margot Robbie, and the body doubles for making this movie possible.
Yes! And that she looked like she was preparing for a lutz on her left leg and then suddenly they changed the angle and she was on her right leg for an axel takeoff. Plus no one would ever land the triple axel with this hight.
IF you know anything about Tonya's personality you'd never think she'd be a figure skater. A lot of people have described her as aggressive; nothing like a sweet snow princess like a lot of other figure skater.
I love how transparent they were about the doubles in this movie, unlike the Black Swan, where they pretended Natalie Portman pretty much did everything.
Daniel It was a very pleasant surprise for me as well.
They did Sarah Lane dirty, she was Natalie's double. But she's a principal now so glad she's successful
OMG I was about to comment on the exact same thing!! You can tell who's genuine about their art and who only wants fame and money!!
Didn't understand the hate she got. She, and all doubles, deserve recognition!
they did not pretend, natalie talked about her double in the bus and many interviews, but she did train a lot with mary helen bowers
So no ones gonna talk about her perfectly connected circles?
Figure skaters know their circles.
2:57
Found my new kink
To be honest I haven't watched the movie BUT as a ballet dancer who was very insulted by the whole "Black Swan" scandal I applaud that the team of "I, Tonya" seems to be so very open about using doubles and naming them. Like Ballet Ice Skating is an incredible art form that can't be learned during the shoot of a movie. So thanks for explaining the details and transitions. It was very interesting to watch.
Yes! I feel the exact same way!
Natalie Portman spoke about her double in multiple interviews. I don't know why you think the team was trying to hide it? She DID train for multiple months to make it as believable as possible and was transparent about her double doing the footwork and harder scenes. The only reason the double didn't get credit in the film is because doubles don't usually get credit.
How many doubles were used in Black Swan?
@@Firegirl483 Don't they list stunt people in credits at the end of the movies?
hydrolito being listed at the end credits is not the same as the credit they gave to Margot’s doubles. Natalie didn’t even thank her double in her Oscar acceptance speech, not that she has to, but it would’ve been nice. Plus, the publicity around Black Swan was always “Natalie did 99% of the dancing” when that’s simply not true and impossible.
Hayley Kiyoko's mum! What a queen
SoTotallyPie the only reason I clicked this 😂
Wait really??!!?
Aubrey Ana Hale yep she does all sorts of ice figure skating choreography too according to Hayley
Hayley's parents are so talented... What happened to her idk
ArtemusPrime no hate here please
I love how the real Tonya Harding wanted to help train Margot so she didn't get hurt trying to attempt the things she did lol I think that's something that the movie kind of forgot about, is that the real Tonya was kind of a sweetheart, despite having some rough edges. She really cared about people, even if she couldn't get too close to them. You just see it in her eyes, she has a big heart. I think Margot did an incredible job, but I think that they were lacking a bit of that Tonya vulnerability until the very end.
Nancy Kerrigan says press X to doubt.
The choreographer stated that the doubles were able to do all the triple jumps except the triple axle, so they were accomplished skaters because some women skaters today still can't do the triple axle, although most do. Those they are not strong in triple jumps try to make up points in artistry.
France2107 only a few active female skaters can actually perform a triple axel. even if the doubles could do it, it’s too risky and they had the olympics coming up
Honin Akecheta you don’t personally know her either and she wasn’t the one who hurt Nancy Kerrigan her boyfriend did it was not her decision to do so
@@yeriberri3757 Tonya is a compulsive liar. She's changed her story so many times you have no idea what's the truth and what's not. All we do know for sure is that Tonya is a liar.
She actually worked as a choreographer for Nancy Kerrigan so you know, fun fact
That is the definition of irony
and Ice Capades for years! I met her at Rockefeller Center, she has the greatest stories!
This is amazing, Tonya did the triple axel in the 90’s , and now 30 years later they couldn’t find someone who can successfully do it. Just showing you how amazing and unique she was
Omnia Khalid Ladies figure skating is going into quads now. Check out Alexandra Trusova - she did 2 quads during competition
Katy Glazier 3a is a problem for even some of the elite men. Patrick Chan and Nathan Chen suck at it.
I mean active right now I think there are one or two female skaters that can do a triple axel. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they filmed during the competition season lol. I know in total, including retired and excluding Tonya Harding, there are 7 other female skaters who've accomplished the Triple Axel.
Gwynbleidd yeah but yuzu does it like a single.
Omnia Khalid mirai nagasu landed a successful triple axel in the Olympics
Woah I thought they just pasted Margot Robbie's face on the body the whole time but actually she did preparation and landing shots plus the 2500 head and torso positions for the special effects. She did lots. Skating training and replicating the accent. I'm so glad I went to see it in cinemas.
One of my favorite little tidbits about the initial discussion about filming the triple is the film makers finding out there's like 4 women in the world who could do one, and none of them were available because it was during the season lol. They did really well to blend the doubles together.
Artemist I don’t understand why they wouldn’t participate though? Because they’re obviously practising their triple axels for the Olympics, wouldn’t this be a good way of getting the practice in and also making money by being part of the movie?
I think a major part of it was risk of injury - there's a few women who can do it but they don't land it consistantly which means there's A LOT of falling. There's a reason Mirai Nagasu landing it in the team competition was such a big deal, it's that rarely landed in competition. The other part is time/schedule - the skaters would have to be available on location for however long they were needed which isn't realistic for skaters who were in the midst of their competitive seasons. The skaters would have been in the middle of nationals and their grand prix assignments in the run up season for the Olympics.
All the women in the world who can currently do a triple axel are either Asian-American or Japanese, and do not physically resemble Tonya Harding or Margot Robbie. There are only two women on the senior international circuit who are able to do one.
ceriseskates , I'm guessing it wouldn't have been possible to have Tonya herself try and do it for the film, either.
lol ok
All three skaters were phenomenal. I cant believe Margot did so much of the skating herself that is amazing
This is an incredible insight to this sequence thank you
Am I the only person that after watching a movie I rlly like, I do lots of research on it?😂
destiny arroyo haha. Me too. I even searched for skaters who did 3A in the world.
honestly idk
I’m doing that right know
Me rn
You can tell that this movie hooks people up, i even put tonya's story into one of my assignments
this is the best break down of all the break down movies
Incredible
Informative video. I loved it! I enjoy these types of videos ( so don't stop)
Really interesting stuff, I know next to nothing about skating but learning how they put the scene together is awesome!
Being a figure skater myself, it truly takes a beating to become an amazing skater.
the choreographer is 289 times prettier than i am
AxxL you should see her daughter
you ugly af then bruh lol
That's a weird thing to say
AxxL
Join the club bruh
good to know.
It’s so inspiring how amazingly precise they are, I cant even imagine all the planning and coordinating it must have required to produce such a scene
I don’t know anything about skating but i still really enjoyed this
I Love her so much. I grew up in Portland, OR also, and she was a huge inspiration to me. We even skated in the same rink! It was a rink in the Clackamas mall... I was so honored to have shared a rink with her. Sadly that ice rink has been taken out. There is only one other ice rink in this area now, and that's where I live, in Vancouver, WA where she currently has been skating a lot. It's so wonderful to see her on the ice again.
3:45 girl that edge violation
I knew instantly when the double came in because Margot's modern Jackson Artiste or Freestyle (label visable during the 94 Olympics scenes) boots became Edea Piano or Concerto boots during the spins and jumps. They are modern and made to take the stress off the foot when landing. A beginner skater wouldn't wear those advanced boots usually. The more you know!!!
as an ice skater myself it's great so see people so enthusiastic about my sport! thank you sarah for this beautiful rendition
Now that's dedication! Kudos for those who take part in making this film .... incredible, such motivation and stories need to told...it is like keypoint in sport!
I adore this series, the minds behind the movies rarely get picked at in interviews, when they're so fundamental in the media we watch!
Really amazing movie, and compared to most Ice skating sports films, its incredibly technical, but still saw a few mistakes, half way through some of the jumps they forgot to change the doubles' skates making it look like tonya was wear Ice Fly's (a brand of skates that weren't invented for another 30 years) also that prep for the triple axel is actually a prep for a triple lutz, as she is clearly lining up for a toe jump, Don't feel this is hate, really loved the movie!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that triple axel lutz prep ;)
I have a feeling the stunt doubles just didn't wear boots similar to Margot's and hoped no one noticed LOL. I thought she had Piano or Concerto? Maybe they were Ice Fly's, I'll have to watch it again. Sponsored by Edea? Margot wore Jackson freestyle for the relacing Olympic scene.
DD Lee Margot was wearing Jackson Competitor skates I believe but the stunt double was probably wearing Ice Fly’s as you at times can see the distinctive pattern on them.
I think for the purpose of the jumps being difficult and needing good gear that they’re comfortable in, the safest option were their own skates/the best freestyle boots
Yea I read in a comment somewhere else here that the doubles they had only could do the other Triple jumps but not the Triple axel. That explains the false preparation
I love how she just ignored the fact that they messed up and used a lutz entrance for the triple axel lol
Pretty Reckless also how the lutz is actually a flutz (bt i think they said that was margot doing it so its forgivable oop)
@@cupcakemaniac123 I was looking for a comment about that. And the pre rotation is past 1/4. Although It's not a full flutz but it goes very very flat nearing inside and that there's so much pr is a little weird to me considering how they wanted perfect spins with no traveling but were fine with a super flat lutz.
The pre-rotation, flat questionable Lutz edge and was that an underrotation? Well, these things rarely get called out on a real competition anyway. 😂
Well Tonya did actually go into her 3A using a lutz-lookalike entrance. What I find more ironic is that Tonya had a perfect triple lutz during her career. Great outside edge and no pre-rotation, so these stunt doubles couldn’t even replicate her perfect technique on film
@@mozartandi I... don't think you understand the difference between a Lutz and an Axel entrance. Tonya's axel entry is a standard axel entry, the most basic way you learn to do it as a kid. A lutz, on the other hand, is a toe jump, so naturally the toe is behind for the entrance, which is what they mistakenly used in this shot.
Great coreographer and great insight into one of the key scenes in I, Tonya. Great stuff!!!!
I love this, I really thought Margot did all of it, it really was editing magic. I Tonya is one of my favorite movies to date. Props to everyone involved!!
Her skin is stunning
I absolutely love these videos where pros examine things in their area of expertise. They teach us so much what goes on in everyday things
That Kiyoko family...legendary
Samantha Darling aren’t they actually the Alcroft family though??
Omg I can actually see now the added spin to the 3A :o What an awesome job on these shots, great job
I can't get over how they used a Lutz prep for the Axel prep. There's an immense amount of attention to detail but they messed that one up :/
Exactly! That still bugs me :/
I freaking loved this movie and everything about it. So much respect for this woman🙌
This is an awesome video! Thank you so much for that insight!
This was very interesting stuff, thanks Vanity Fair
One of the most interesting explanation of movie magic . More please ♥️
Such an educational video. Great actors, great movie. This is awesome.
The 80's That's when I met my husband , and 7 kids later I still love the Tonya Harding...story. and this actress Rocks It .Tarzan, and suicide squad.. I gotta buy" I ,Tonya "
Tonya’s triple axel was actually bigger and more rotated than the one in the movie. Her triple axel axis was tilted slightly more and swung her leg out more.
Such an interesting video. 👏👌
Vanity Fair thank you for all these videos, they're wonderful and informative.
The woman who gave us Hayley Kiyoko
AMAZING SEQUENCE! I adored this movie.
I love this channel so much ! 💕
Really explains why the triple axel is so difficult. No assist, faster, tighter to go faster, and 3.5 rotations.
I've watched this 10 times, stunning
Thank you for this!
So interesting to hear the shot broken down by the cinematographer. Love it!
Beautiful, beautiful job!!
This is so amazing!!!
Isn't that hayley kiyoko's mom?
Tiffany Cammuk yup
Yep
Who?
Fantastic breakdown!
So interesting and amazing to watch!
This woman ROCKS!
The is absolutely amazing
Such an iconic scene and style that margo robbie did on this movies! Especially she did the Triple Axel!!!!
one of my favorite movies
the way they put margot head on double body was awesome
Very interesting video - more stuff like this please!
I Love this women so much she's so amazing and talented
This movie was so good. I wasn't sure what my expectations were, but it exceeded all of them.
This is awesome information ,even someone like me who has never put skates on in her life ,can appreciate what I'm being taught.
i really enjoyed this video. I'd love to have heard more about the difference in skating now and then. Also. There is no one who can do the triple axel at this point in time? Wow, even more credit for Tonya.
alura 86 lol Tonya isn’t even the first woman to land a triple axel in competition
alura 86 they can but it was a skating season
It's not true.Its very misleading. There are many people who can do it. But during filming nobody was available. Also they needed body doubles that looked like Tonya and Margot. Remember that Tonya was only the first AMERICAN woman to land a triple axel in a competition. Midori Ito was the first woman to land a triple axel ever in a competition.
Just finished watching this movie and omg awesome
Very informative.
Great movie !
I was so curious to know how they did this scene. Really well down!
notes on a scene is the best youtube series
This movie was bopping
this was so interesting to watch!
So excellent!
This is amazing!!!
They literally had to CGI the Triple axel that’s how iconic Tonya is
the best part is when she preps for a lutz (4:38) and then all of a sudden she is taking off for the axel lol
Shoutout to steady cam mvp Dana Morris!!
So fascinating!
Great video!
And she's Hayley Kiyoko's mother.
amazing!!
This was a fantastic movie
MAMA KIYOKO ♡
You really make me want to watch this film.
I love this series, really interesting
This goes to show how much goes into making these movies
Very neat! She knows her stuff
Sarah is so knowledgable.
Nice breakdown I like to see the thinking process of a choreographer that has to use body double. it's very interesting. Two flaws that I obsserve: 1) the 3 lutz is actually a flutz. Tonya Harding was one of the best jumper in her era and her 3 lutz was among the best (height, distance, and correct outside edge takeoff). At least the producer should had used a skater that can execute 3 lutz like Harding did; 2) the 3 axel preparation is actually for 3 lutz. She skated backward using her left leg similar to standard 3 lutz entry and suddenly the next scene she skated forward with her right leg ready for axel jump. Props for the director, choreographer, Margot Robbie, and the body doubles for making this movie possible.
The edge change on the lutz made me so sad lol
cool i tonya [2017] film choregrapher !!!
yo i’ve known dody for years and only just now realised her last name is teachman we all just call her dody
is anyone else annoyed at the fact that she did a flutz instead of a lutz??
Yes! And that she looked like she was preparing for a lutz on her left leg and then suddenly they changed the angle and she was on her right leg for an axel takeoff. Plus no one would ever land the triple axel with this hight.
And the change to Edea Ice Flies in the jumps 😂
yes!!!!!! that inside edge :((((
Wow it must be so interesting to watch the movie knowing the technique 😱 (or annoying 😂)
Esperanza Hope Jaduri you're right, story of a woman's life
You great i watch t movie so many times
surprisingly good movie
IF you know anything about Tonya's personality you'd never think she'd be a figure skater. A lot of people have described her as aggressive; nothing like a sweet snow princess like a lot of other figure skater.
Which is why a lot of people didn’t like her because they thought she didn’t belong in figure skating.
Amazing!
wow that's awesome
‘We did it several times’ 💀🤣
Great movie
Beautiful amazing movie!
Such an interesting informative behind the scene video