I don't know mucb about Wow. COuldn't Pirate do the same spell as amphy ? Like the one that put frost on the ground and run + blizzard from far away to slow mobs and still be safe ? While i agree the call was " Run ", it's obvious that you just look back 2 sec and spamms slow ? That's why i don't really agree with asmon here.
@@zzephi Yes, the mage was literally in zero danger he could have nova'd (frost on the ground) and used blizzard easily on the regular mobs, but you cannot do any cc to the boss so I think 1 person will probably still die but he for sure could have stopped the other death. Also the rogue could have done a lot as well he has all his important abilities still up like blind , kidney, gouge and sticky glue and he can always vanish out too.
@@zzephi yes pirate did what they call "roach" out, which is leaving your group to defend for themself even though you could help them. Thing is though, they didn't need pirate to survive but they are bad players so they need someone to blame. Yamato used none of his cc abilities to help the tank which resulted in him taking a lot more damage than he needed to, the druid pulling extra mobs on the run out causing the healer to die.
He could never hit level 60 in HC wow. Bro is worse than esfand just look at his more recent WOW content. He's washed. He can only react and do schizo politics. It's sad cause he let his mother waste away for the game and he can't even commit to it anymore.
@@Alan-wj5zc "It's sad cause he let his mother waste away for the game and he can't even commit to it anymore." don't even go there. you don't know anything about his life and what he did or did not do. if you wanna hate then hate but don't bring up random shit that has nothing to do with anything to try and strengthen your argument. not cool
@@Alan-wj5zc After saying that horrendous stuff, you have no right to complain if someone comes after you in the same manner you just did. You don't know him. You don't know his personal life. You don't know how things went. How about you learn to stay in your place and not result to personal insults over a video game?
I know right. Rogue says run to another player, in the same breath "pirate why are you walking away? this is salvageable bro." like wtf kinda call is that dude. While that was happening pirates pov he sees 2 ppl now next to him running toward the exit on the ramp and he blinks to pillar. That's when pirate shakes his head. A late ass180 call where he is now out of position to do anything anyways. Unbeknownst to Pirate they stopped running for a few seconds before they even made the call that it was "salvageable" so pirates opportunity to react even if he wasn't out of position is heavily delayed now/ a death sentence if he back tracked. Very frustrating moment in those shoes.
@Dante_S550_Turbo the priest then sacrificed herself to heal. All at the rogues call to "heal him" how on earth this rogue isn't begging for forgiveness from the two dead players is beyond me... Instead he's throwing hands against Pirate...
- Tank didn't pull back the 1st group. Proper pull would have avoided this entire situation. - Druid pulled the 2nd group. - Tank still didn't move them back. - Boss was pulled. - Rogue called "Run Run Run". - Rogue called "Come Back". - Druid pulled the 3rd group. - Healer is dead because of that. - Druid is also dead. - Conclusion: Somehow Mage's fault.
You missed the 4th group that skull pulled, there was a patrol that walked into them as they were going down the ramp, it is hard to see from the rogues POV, but it does happen.
did you literally miss the whole entire point? Nobody's saying it's his fault. The problem is him not even trying to help. Especially when he's playing a god-class that can singlehandedly salvage situations like this.
omg, if they didnt go to the dungeon at all, this whole situation couldve avoided. Maybe to avoid making mistakes in WoW HC, they should just uninstall the game
He's rage-baiting by definition. The definition of rage-baiting is the manipulative tactic of eliciting outrage with the goal of increasing internet traffic, online engagement, revenue and support. Gotta be delusional if you don't think he tries to put things in a way which illicit a response, increasing "content" instead of phrasing his side in an agreeable way. That's why he got into problem with the Palestine stuff too. It's a recurring issue since at least the release of WoW classic back in 2019. He even calls out streamers for being too boring. No way this isn't purposeful strategy to be popular. He's a meek person IRL.
Yeah, as a rogue main this is the most annoying part. Not only did he not use any of his CCs (other than at the complete end against a boss which is immune) but he didn't finish off any of the low health mobs and was the loudest and most distracting aspect of the group.
@@reyalskrad1 Exactly this. Especially considering he has a way out of it with Vanish. The guy has to be completely new or someone gave him the account to play on.
I don't know much about Fangs or WoW but the Thors attitude seems somewhat justified. He doesnt know these people and they butchered the instance. Then at the end they want everyone to say they made mistakes and everyone's at fault. Why should he have to sit there and be talked down to by someone that he thinks is an idiot for making calls that got twice the amount of people killed?? Why should he have to take equal responsibility and carry guilt? So Yamato doesnt have to carry as much? F that. Yamato was in charge and should have to shoulder the blame. Him trying to control the narrative everywhere and pushing blame onto other people/topics shows how immature and childish hes being.
I've seen enough Twitch clips of Yamato absolutely monging out like a child over league that him accusing someone else of not taking accountability is about as ironic as Alex Jones accusing someone else of being a conspiracy theorist. Yamato has actually achieved the impossible of making a character like Dantes the sane and reasonable one in an argument so him turning Asmongold into the expert on a topic doesn't surprise me in the slightest 😂
Because you decided to play with these people and you should have the maturity to fight back against your criticism calmly or accept it calmly, problem is it should also be given calmly. The entire problem here is ego. These people want to be so good or knowledgeable or such perfect at the game that as soon as they make a mistake which from what I can tell in this video everyone made some type of mistake, they can't accept some calm criticism or give out criticism calmly no one here was able to humbly just sit down and discuss what went wrong from multiple angles instead of f****** being angry about it and screaming and starting drama pirates started throwing jabs Yamato was upset other people started throwing blame it was a bunch of children screaming about who was in the wrong instead of OK here's what went wrong here here and here some people f***** up but it's just a game oh well sucks to be us. Children
Of course Asmon would buddy up with pirate over this nonsense lol. They're both wise-ass narcissists that can never be wrong and will talk you to sleep just to get the last opinion in. ZZZZZZ, L personalities. Pretty much every sweat in the Guild agrees Pirate was in the wrong.
The funny part is that Asmongold was originally popular for making the most effective guides in the earlier days of WoW. Tyler's chat just gaslighting by being in chat and not in the game. There is a reason Asmongold is the guy who crashed Classic server once. Also, anyone with game sense knows that the math to surviving that situation was completely terrible and Yamato is just stretching this like a high school grudge. But man is it fun to watch all the POVs.
classic wow players when they have to press more than w key and frostbolt: mind=blown... like its not easy but its not for any reason outside of more hardcore rpg style mmo design, compared to zoomer retail which holds your hand, but makes you press 800 different abilities while keeping eyes on buffs and passives, and leveling is just some shit u have to do to play the actual game. yamato probably couldve done more but he atleast was trying. thor kinda just w keyed away and walked out. its fine if you dont want to die but like man.... kinda a dick move, and of course he condescendingly jabs at yamato who was surprisingly reasonable compared to his normal league self. just dumb teenage shit at the end of the day
I don't get all the complex arguments.. the leader said run pirate ran. I don't care what the odds are for survival or the strategies to solve this problem. Leader said run I'm running he wants to turn around and see he can salvage it then he can do it alone thats his problem should've ran.
@@blur3316 Didnt know yet there is a POV of Thor giving jabs after this incident. But meh, a boss immune to softcc is expected. The amount of sustain you would need to keep that pull up would require two healers if I recall, not even if the tank was a Paladin. However, the tank being a Paladin would survive a retreat if they had to stand still. This happens in normal mode alot where the healer has to choose survival if they want to outlive a single boss hit. I used to be a healer in WoW, so I fully understand how the healer died here to save a wipe.
@totower9597 if you think any of this is complex, jesus. With your flawed logic, the tank would die 100% of the time in situations where "run" was called. Regardless of whether it is a bad pull or who pulled, a tank collect threat before any run call is made. Run doesn't just mean hold W and press blink. People using this as an argument must be challenged and certainly can't function correctly. There are 3 or 4 clips knocking about of this "Software" dude literally bailing on his team. One of them is with this exact group, where he back pulls and then instantly begins to run before letting anyone know.
1) Druid pulled the second pack 2) Yamato said RUN multiple times 3) Yamato changed the call midpoint and makes people stay 4) Druid pulls THIRD pack 5) Yamato didn't do anything but watch and scream the entire time 6) Yamato got both the druid and healer killed instead of just the tank
Ye? and he apologized to both of them. Doesn't change the fact Pirate roached and 1000% could have saved at least one of them. Instead he blows all his mana, doesn't use any resource, did not do his job as a mage at all. Dude preached about helping teammates and pulled this stunt. He's a fraud and a hypocrite for someone who's a "veteran".
@@CantCookForLife Yamato apologized because he knows he's responsible? So you recognize that?? Pirate didn't roach, he did try to blizzard immediately when they called run and then ran. When the morons say "LOL JK COME BACK AND DIE WITH US", and he keeps running...THAT is not roaching...THAT is NOT being stupid. He played optimally to his level of skill, he's not Xaryu, he's not Ahmpy, why do people think he should make the exact same plays that they would have made in the same situation? It's beyond stupid to expect that. Brainless chimps honestly.
@@HeyYoFabels What did he do to help besides try to cc the only cc immune mob and yell at everyone else to do something? All he was was a mascot, he did nothing, helped nothing, he was worse than useless.
Dude shouts "run run run run run" then 20 seconds later "why you running bro"....... Then in voice chat with tyler If someone tries to gaslight me by talking over me saying "let me speak" before I have finished speaking myself, then I too am leaving chat. Aint nobody got time for that.
100%. Nobody is gonna talk over you and interrupt saying "let me speak" just to pay you a compliment. Dude wanted to argue and play 20/20 hindsight. And some people just don't want to argue, and think it's a waste of time. My best friend is like that. If we start arguing about something on Discord, he'll just leave the call. Thor wasn't wrong for not sticking around for that BS.
thor started saying “are you gonna let me talk” whilst yamato was talking actually it was Thor’s unbearable passive aggressiveness and narcissism coming out
I find it amusing how many ppl whining about pirate not saving the run from the colossal fuckup caused by the rogue druid and tank. two of then lived while getting the priest killed as they tried to save the run.
Every possible thing Pirate *could* have done to save the run, Yamato the Rogue, could also have done and did not. He didn't kill low health Mastiff's, he didn't build combo, he didn't Blind something not Immune, and he had Evasion and Vanish in case he fucked up. He ran too. He just feels better about himself because he ran slightly less far away. He's also the one that made the call to Run, instead of slowly kite back or slow retreat.
@@HeyYoFabels Damage doesnt matter in this instance unless you finish a mob. They are running not finishing the fight. Any damage done that doesn't kill a mob means nothing. It doesnt get you closer to the exit and it doesnt stop the mobs from chasing you. If the rogue continued to do his combo so he could get his CC then maybe it would have been useful in the sense that it allowed him to cc targets. However he didnt do that did he?
I watched the full Asmon vod. He was 100% right imo. Sucks that 2 people were lost, but once you call run you can't blame them for running. Also shouldn't have pulled with players at low mana. There is a lack of accountability going on, but it isn't from Pirate.
Yeah, I don't like Thor, but it seems to me MOST of the people going against him in this particular situation is just because they don't like him and not because of what actually happened. In this situation, he did nothing wrong.
Because the clan, or whatever is called, and all the simps are just a cult and crazy about shitting on someone who had barely any more fault than anyone else lol
The thing that a lot of people miss is the main issue is how thor acted afterwards. What most of the people who know that miss, is that how he acted was entirely brought upon by how the rogue acted. on top of all of that, most of the people crying about asmon's video miss that he doesn't give a fuck about any of that and is purely talking about what went wrong IN the raid
You are a bit wrong there. Asmon was NOT 100% correct, but for the most part he was. And Thor should for sure told them to wait with the pull to get his mana to max. That is one of his jobs as a mana user to do before a pull.
@@Fox-in-the-Storm Thor did a few mistakes, but both you and Asmon totally miss the reason for the drama. It was what was said after the wipe that made the drama. Then Thor first claimed he did everything correctly and knowing how condescending Thor often can be, did that piss one or more off. He later admitted that everyone could have done better, but that was to late for one or two of the ones in the group. Asmon is Thor's mate, so he was very eager to defend Thor and focused on the wipe itself and not on what was said after.
This is how you know Maldavius is full of shit Maldavius: I was oom Wasn't oom Maldavius: I wasn't able to do anything He could've saved the entire party Maldavius: I'm a guild enchanter, it wasn't worth it There are like 10 other guild enchanters
I find it funny how everyone in T1's chat starts saying he isn’t good at WoW as soon as T1 asks if he’s good or not. He played WoW for 20 years before quitting because he didn’t like the direction Blizzard was taking the game. He’s very knowledgeable about the game and knows what he’s talking about. Of course, he's framing this drama because he’s a content creator, but saying he isn’t good at WoW or doesn’t know what he’s talking about is disingenuous. I don’t always agree with Asmon and his takes, but I’m not so egotistical that I can’t admit when he’s right about something.
funniest part is that yamato admitted that he is a noob at this game and said they should ask someone who knows the game. they ask asmon, who as you said, without a doubt is more knowledgeable then anyone involved in this ""drama"" and yamato calls him clueless and bad.
@@angulinhiduje6093 Aka "I want someone more knowledgeable, but only if they agree with me" From what I've heard of this dude he sounds like a whiny loser, trying to spread blame to make himself look better
well asmon, just like pirate, do have a lot of knowledge on the game. similarly, they both suck at it though. Anyway, I'm pretty sure asmon is ragebaiting, because anyone who plays mage at over a basic level knows r1 blizzard makes that escape so incredibly free that its not even stressful.
@@vzreo I agree with you. He saw an opportunity and he took it. But he knew wtf he was talking about. He did all of that in the name of content. 😂 I don't know about frost nova thing tho. as far as I know that mob is immune to hard CC
People acting like this is just Classic WoW instead of Classic HC. If the tank says Run, then I run. I've seen way too many HC death compilations to know that there's no way in hell I'm going to risk the MANY hours I've put into this character just to try and save those that decided NOT to run. I'm definitely not turning back because a rogue said so, especially one that's doing nothing but running around and trying to Blind the boss. Pirate doesn't need to apologize for anything.
Its just tyler1 glazing chat watchers. They've never played a day of HC WoW in their lives. They chronically doomqueue league, and because they are a league player they can't resist the urge to backseat game. Its glaringly obvious.
@@K3Vz0who is that guy anyway??? I swear I NEVER heard of that guy And now people preach his words like it’s gospel?? Idk, ill listen to people that know the game and are known to play the game
@@bradleyjenkins2271 he is a league player. he got popular by leeching other bigger creators but because he is such a rat after time everyone distances him from yamato. im surprised anyone sided with him tbh, usually he is just added to tournaments and events to see his meltdown reactions. last 2 league events he participated in he got kicked, either by the team or TO because he keeps insulting everyone, screaming all the time and once someone tries to speak with him he just repeats "let me talk" like a broken record. absolute clown.
Asmon has some good points but there is at least 60% rage baiting in the way he says it. The second blink was unnecessary, but it also looked like a communication error cause he blinked after the guy asked "Why are you walking". I'd agree with what Thor said on this, everyone messed up, including himself. There is no reason whatsoever for Yamato to try and push 100% of the blame onto Thor. The pull was never salvageable, there was a call to run, the rogue was equally useless in the escape, the healer died because of bad calls, the druid pulled an extra pack in his panic jumps, and thor ofc could have used less blinks and maybe nova'd the dogs he did try to blizzard once but it didn't help much. People are just mad that he got out safe instead of sacrificing himself for them. Which would have been very bad btw because he apparently had high crafting and had his guilds inventory. You can call him a rat, but in doing so you'd have to say the rogue is also a rat. Which would explain why the rogue is so desperate to pin the blame on someone else.
PiRAT just sprinted past me in elwynn forest, he was showing no signs of stopping. u can say a lot about him but that guy has a pair of legs on him for sure
3:27 "Didn't we watch his VOD and hahahahaha Pirate didn't look behind him once? " 4:11 (looks behind him) , 4:18 (looks behind him and blizzards). Then he's out of mana and runs the rest of the way. The rogue is stupid af. He changed his mind about the call, didn't say it until Thor was 75% of the way back to the entrance, then berated Thor for not reading his mind.
@@fandangosanon top he wasted a lot of mana for stupid things. One of the examples is that he is already in a safe zone, he wasted mana on blink for no reason?? Max blizzard that eat chunk of his mana like (1.2k mana) when lvl 1 blizzard only costs like 300
@@OsmosisMaple that doesn't change the fact that the call to run was made, you can sit here and hindsight everything but that doesn't change the fact that there were at least two people who were massively at fault. Could he have done things differently, sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that his party made bad calls and played in the worst possible way in that instance. Everyone could have done better, obviously lol.
Asmons take was based, the bear pulls the group on exit and gets the 2nd person killed, yamato calls salvageable and gets the healer killed, pirate coulda sat around with yamato pressing nothing because he had no mana and the same outcome would of occurred with the only exception being that yamato didnt get upset at pirate for being 30ft away instead of 10ft away to watch the disaster unfold.
Pirate could've nova'd and maybe saved one person, but there was a high chance he gets knocked back by the boss or, once one of the melee dies, they turn around and smack him too. The tank shouldn't have pulled the boss on the ramp next to another pack, the druid shouldn't have ran behind the mobs and aggroed the pack behind the boss. He did absolutely nothing to start the disaster, he didn't make the call to run, he didn't make the 2nd call to stay.
Peope saying Asmon is biased because of Pirate, when they are so lost in their own biased because they hate Pirate and can't see the situation objectively
@@oKthen-pc7kk yet no one really knows what pirate should have done in that situation. From what I've seen and heard he could have regenerated some mana and cast 2 spells, that wouldn't really have helped. What exactly should he have done?
The best part is when the druid aggroes a 3rd pack and gets the healer killed. They played terribly and want the guy to share blame because he didn't want to risk his life trying to clean up their messes.
No, Asmongold's takes, after the whole video, boils down to these points: it was salvageable initially, but the Druid jumping aggroed more mobs which ruined that. Stopping the retreat to try to fight caused the Priest to die, the tank should have kept running. Someone called repeatedly to run, so you run. Period. The Druid and the Rogue are *primarily* at fault. That Yamato is a whiney annoying guy. That there was extremely little the Wizard or anyone could have done to change the outcome after the mistakes were made. A Nova on the staircase might have helped or it could have been another mistake. Teamwork is committing to a call, even if it's a bad call. If everyone had run, the Priest and Rogue would have had enough distance from the mobs for the tank to keep aggro. And that you cant call out Run and then take it back because of the cost of running impacts combat or the ability to escape - mana, speed potions, skill usage/CDs that are then not available in a crucial window of time.
Look. If you are doing hc content...you should all define and agree on what "run" means. If uts fall to regroup. Ok. If its "GTFO" then ok. Here we have a party that hadnt discussed that, we have a mage going in at low mana, forgot mana gem...or realized it would do f all who heard 3 runs and that typically means its going to pot so he hoofed it. a rogue not knowing the boss is immune to slow, and blinds who jumps into a 3rd aggro mob, and pulls boss LOS. A druid that after starting to fall back, turned to hold the line and help. And the healer getting different chats in his eardrums and panicing. Also. People dump on asmon...but he was the highest dps in his guilds on diablo, and wow for a long time, and his guides were legendary on the oc wow... He knows how to play, and how to cheese. Some get mad that hes just better than them, but no longer professional. He hates how ratty and roachy people get..its not rocket science
He literally moused over the mana gem, and said "I have no mana". He made the active choice to not help, and he threw his team under the bus and pretended otherwise. Nobody would be mad at him if he acknowledged what he actually did, but he is lying about the shot call, he could have given them slows that got everyone out safely, but instead he chose not to help.
@@autastic1 nah slowing couldve killed him there, no reason to, he did what the leader called and thats run. Nothing wrong you, u simply have no common sense in you
@@SyrupyBeard Nah. He only acknowledges the call when it's run, he completely ignores it when they reassessed the situation. a single frost nova could have saved everyone.
From being toxic in league, to being toxic in wow. Man Yamato sure has it going for him. Throwing with stones while sitting in a glass house, is too funny.
@@RuneKatashima Funny when Pirate is the biggest fraud and snake on twitch. He could easily have saved them, he chose to let them die. He refused to use mana gem, he used shield for nothing to deplete his mana. It's a game so who cares right, but his actions tell you everything you need to know about him as a person. Total fake. I'm glad I don't know either Pirate or Asmon in real life, they would throw you under the bus at the first chance to save themselves. Cowards.
@@youngboyinventedmusic6716 that has to be the one topic asmon absolutely knows what he's talking about. The other people in the conversation don't even know what spells are effective against the boss but think they know if it was salvageable. Watch his reactions to hardcore deaths, he knows what's going to happen before it happens most of the time.
They also keep moving the goalposts about this. First it's about him running, then it's about him not doing anything, now apparently all that is irrelevant and it's all about "accountability and attitude", like what? This is a video game, not a therapy session. Bro doesn't need to take accountability for the mistakes of others.
Let me steelman Yamato's argument. Let's say Pirate has infinite mana, 0% threat, stays, and max rank blizzards the mobs. He's permanently invulnerable to physical damage and knockback so he can't be charged by the guards, and the mobs magically stay on Ozzy the entire time. They then try to fight it out.... ready for the outcome? They would all die because the god damned druid and rogue were doing 0 DPS and weren't interrupting casts, so the priest would run out of mana. Even Thor, because he would then get frostbolted to death once the warrior is down. The rogue and druid in this party were mouthbreathing useless idiots. There was no saving the pull.
Holy fuck. Chat has got to be 12. Asmon used to be top teir wow content. Like he knows his shit. He's not the "best" by far. But he knows his shit. Twitch chat is the most brain rot shit ever
It's the equivalent of Vietnam era of torture music. Instead of babies crying, it's this overblown drama of 12 years old barking at each other. I'm taking mental damage just scrolling down this comment thread ngl.
internet wants an apology for the dude not risking his own char - after he said out loud that he made the decision because he didnt want to risk his own char, because he values his own time more than others. People apologize when they make a mistake, not when they make a decision, they stand by. I am with asmon, people just dont like pirate, but they had told themselves he was something he is not, so they could like him. It is as simple as that. People just dont like pirate, and wants him to apologize for being him. So weird and so disturbed.
Yamato just wants to be mad at someone who isn't his friend and he is just using Pirate as a scapegoat for his childlike anger. Ozy made three mistakes before the retreat was even called, and was solely responsible for the escalation of that entire encounter. If Ozy was a better player he would have recognized his multiple errors, seen what was going to happen, drawn aggro from the druid and said "This is on me. I'll see you guys in two weeks." and let himself die. But he didn't. And I actually agree with Asmon entirely on this - Ozy and Yamato are both responsible for Sara's death directly. By calling her back for the heals, they 100% killed her. It was trading the healers life for the tanks life. Even Ozy outright admitted that he was at fault, but instead of Yamato just dropping it...He starts going in on these weirdly vague and subbjective arguments about Pirate's 'Accountability', 'Attitude' and 'Ego' as justifiable reasons to go on some smoke-and-mirror witchhunt to wash away the fact that your buddy fucked up. For someone who clearly looks over the age of 18, he's got a toddlers brain.
@ what I am saying is the odds are not in his favor He could save the situation or those could not have been saved... but those people which I refer as "anyone" just want to based on the positive side of the outcome which he can do something and actually save them rather than accept the fact that it was most likely a lost cause
Is asmongold good at wow, that's subjective but he does know the entire game in and out.. he can name almost every piece of gear and what dungeon it comes from by just looking at it without even inspecting and reading the name.. as well every boss mechanic, and pretty close to remember every bosses health. his analysis breakdown on wow mistakes is on point. 1. They started a pull with the mage half mana. 2. They didn't reposition the mobs further away from the boss which they knew was right around the corner. 3. When they said run, (run was a good call) some of them didn't and stayed to fight and changed the call (salvage it was a bad call) 4. The druid agroed a third pack with poor positioning.
"Is asmongold good at wow, that's subjective " is it though? i mean objectively he had mounts that you could only get through highest pvp rank, he was a shotcaller for a very good guild, and like he said his videos back in the day got popular simply because he was the best at the game. i dont play it myself, maybe he was just lying. but even then, i think with his thousand of hours he his objectively good from a new players point of view like yamato
He called run, he didn't call "forget that you play a frost mage and your job is to CC for your team so they can escape" Jason knows his class, he knows that's his job, he had beef with them and left them on purpose. He lied about having no mana. The funniest thing to me was after all of it he goes "I used to work for blizzard, if you message me they'll ban you" the classic 'my dad works for nintendo' technique
@@autastic1 i think pirate is cringe as a person but i dont think he was in the wrong. the party failed before this run, they failed again and got themselves killed. sure he could have done more, but these clowns would have found a way to get themselves killed regardless. he is the parties mage, not their babysitter. and also as everyone has pointed out, the boss was immune to slow. they could have walked out and decided to kill themselves. a frost mage has no method of charming allies so they dont just stand there like npcs
So the consensus is that pirate isn’t really to blame. So why is he getting flamed for refusing to accept blame??? Not accepting blame makes sense when you are not to blame. Especially when someone is trying to force the whole “we’re a team we should share the blame” in the real word the guy who calls the shot takes them blame. Personally I would say, “no bro don’t pin this on me, I did what I was told”, just like pirate did. I would 100% stand my ground when someone comes at me, wrongfully with blame.
Because Pirate is a succesfull guy who a lot of people like. He also hit rock bottom and decided to climb out. thats very confronting for people who hit rock bottom but cannot or are too lazy to climb out (not saying everyone can jsut giving two cases). Thats my theory at least.
The consensus is that Pirate definitely could've saved them. Watch literally any other WoW creator react to this and that's their conclusion. Obviously it's not only Pirates fault because it's true that Yamato could've done more and they shouldn't have pulled the mobs in the first place. But in that situation the mage could have done the most to save them easily and safely and it's kinda expected of them to do so. Even Pirate himself says this. The biggest issue in Pirates behavior is that he refused to admit he could've saved them pretty easily. He also acts like a WoW veteran and supposedly has decades of experience while Yamato is a league creator so it's funny when he plays as well as Pirate (they both do nothing). People say that he was just listening to a call to run, but run usually means run together and play together, not abandon everyone even when you have the most tools to help them and the person who called run is Yamato the league creator. Again this literally isn't my opinion, watch anyone other creator react to this. The only people I see defending Pirate here are Asmongold and his fans
@@NotNotNotNotNotChicken he could, but that's a rosk of him dying too, and that's perfectly acceptable to run after rl calls run. You can find too many videos of magea trying to save people dying... If they all would run only tank would've died
@@NotNotNotNotNotChicken Anything beyond some R1 blizzards would put him at risk. Popping the mana pot could pull aggro from the packs that just entered the fight on the last ramp. Chest activation same thing. Frost nova only has a 10 yard range which is basically melee range. As a former guild enchanter myself I can tell you that what's in his bank isn't something you as a guild want to lose. Vanilla WoW enchanting is a different beast than retail, it's not easy getting some of those mats. Edit: Let alone getting enchanting to 300 which I distinctly remember being a massive pain in the ass.
The thing I find funny is the fact Im not even sure if a Mage with infinite mana could of stopped the two deaths that happened. Maybe it could of only been one death but it's hard to say even that with the boss attacking and that extra group of enemies added halfway through the run.
Let me get this straight: - They call to “RUN” - Pirate runs - Pirate not only runs, but also Blizzards to help slow the ads - Pirate runs out of mana because of Blizzard - People are angry Asmon is right: had they not second guessed themselves, they would’ve lived. You have to commit to a decision, not call “Run”, turn back and fight, and then run again. Pirate heard the Run call and ran, like all of them should’ve done. You can hate Asmon all you want, I don’t love the guy either, but the truth is he’s been playing WoW since vanilla, and he used to be one of the top raiders in the game. He’s very knowledgeable about WoW.
This is like a movie YAMATO - the stupid COMMANDER DRUID- the guy who always makes noise in a zombie movie and lure ALL of them and get the others killed HEALER - THE valiant sacrifice who always dies just to save someone MAGE - the roach that always runs away and get the important beloved character to die... Gets blame for his self preservation BUT HONESTLY the biggest contributor and biggest cause for this disaster to happen is that Shot calling.. That stupid shot calling
Asmon's breakdown shows you how good he is. Man knows immunities and hp level off the top of his head for a game he hasn't played in forever. The team F-cked up and tried to blame pirate, the only one who did something right.
@@vzreo Wonder what the rogue with 3 hard CCs all ready to go is going to do about the mobs? Blade Flurry AoE with Evasion on top to grab aggro and let the tank's daze wear off? Gouge one add, Sinister + kidney another? Maybe feeling extra brave and popping Vanish into Cheapshot? Nah, instead he casts Cannibalize on his own arm. GGs
@@thesunthrone "the rogue could have done X or Y or the rogue could have done Z, or perhaps the rouge could have done This that and the other thing, which would have been a great set up to do This and that and maybe it would help with...." Yeah totally bro, ORRRRRR the mage could have used frost nova. dumbass
He's arguing because he did a collab with piratesoftware and holds bias towards him. 99% of the reactions are people pointing out he's a roach. He IS a roach.
@@autastic1 but that doesnt matter, you roach out there, cause they pulled the boss and pulled even more, just run and get out, Yamato clearly didnt do anything and Druid aggro other mobs. Bad leader
Only people that don't know the game think that Pirate is in the wrong. In DM you are not killing 2 packs of mobs AND a miss pulled boss with most characters low on mana..
Pretty much every WoW pro reviewed multiple angles of what happened and agreed pirate is a rat who could have easily saved someone. ASmon and PiRAT are both big phonies. WoW hardcore is actually great because its making it easily apparent who the actual good wow players are. Hell, asmon gave Perditions blade to a warrior over the rogue who won the roll and said the dagger isnt an iconic rogue weapon anyways. The guy is clueless about the game he has played for 20 years.
I dont like PirateSoftware but to me this situation looked like bad pull into panic call into another panic call into asspull and then some more panic. The only person that decided to not stand in the fire (run away) per RLs call instead of spazzing out like a headless chicken and making the situation even worse is getting railed for not even playing bad but for "not saying the correct thing".
Asmongold was one of the best players in wow for a long time, multi cutting edge, multi glad, with an insane amount of achievements and used to be one of the first tutorial creators for the game. For people to say he sucks is actually delusional. Now you might not like him but to say he has no accolades in the game is crazy work
Agree man, I'm one of the main pug raid leaders in cataclysm, have done many top lvl m+, glad on retail this expansion and I've seen some of the stuff asmon has done in the past and I feel I've done nothing in comparison, dude literally had achieved everything he could achieve in wow every expansion, cutting edge, rank 1, glad, m+ top 100s and other achievements from tbc til shadowlands and people still say he's bad lol Honestly that's how you know which chatter plays wow and which doesn't.
This has to be a troll comment. He literally got boosted for his glad mounts and titles by multi rank 1 glads and everyone's known this for a long time. Go look at his glad push videos and you will understand. There's a reason he doesn't talk about those "accolades". He got hard carried and boosted.
Asmon got boosed in pvp everyone knows this. He can barely pug the raid on normal and has for like 8-9 years now. Last time he was serious was in Legion in 2016. He doesn't actually know anything about pve anymore and was a casual in the BC days. His biggest accolades are orange parses from WoD when everyone quit the game lol. He just knows about collecting transmog and mounts. People keep mistaking that for some kind of expert ability...no Asmon has never been known to be some kind of "WoW expert" that is a complete misnomer.
@@Doomblade1000 Asmon is still better than 99% of retail players today, this is a fact. Just because he decided to play a different aspect of the game or leave and stop playing altogether doesn't mean everything he did previously is null and void. You have to be able to play really well to even buy gladiator so I don't even know what you're talking about. You are taking all of his accomplishments that 0.01% of the playerbase have and making it seem like it's nothing, incredibly disingenuous
@isaacsmith3463 you actually don't know anything about what your speaking of in regards to pvp and gladiator boosting. Yes you can literally be garbage and still get carried by 2 multi rank 1 gladiators, that is what asmongold did. He got boosted. They aren't called achievements, he was boosted. Those glads would not play with asmongold if he was a nobody/not a streamer. Go watch his glad push videos he's still got up, you don't know how bad the carry was until you watch it.
That whole incident should be animated. It would be so funny. Yamato panicking. Pirate running off in the distance and contemplating his mana pot and choice to save the team only to roach.
There was 0 chance that the mana pot would have done anything to change the outcome. he would have gotten maybe 5 more frost bolts off, they literally said "run" it's hardcore, you don't make indecisive decisions. You make a call and dedicate to the call.
yamato honestly fucking griefed the fuck out the comms, its so hilarious. got the priest killed and then tries to deflect blame entirely onto pirate. if they all ran, high chance only the tank dies.
This entire situation has the same energy as someone calling to wall a run in FFXIV and then getting pissed that people walled it instead of trying to recover.
funniest thing about this is that in league of legends, the game yamato plays most, he regularly slanders the entire bloodline using every slur imaginable of players who try to salvage a lost team fight after he signaled to retreat and not fight. 100% hypocrite. he is the one who cant admitt his own faults. when talking to tyler he listed many aspects each player could have playeed better ro should have done and when he talked about his own gameplay he just said "maybe i could have played even better ig" before saying his role was too risky to help
This is why adults shouldn't play with children. Pirate clearly did nothing, or the least; wrong, out of a group of people who did wrong collectively(besides the healer). Now drama that isn't drama is probably going to ruin friendships. Seems like a bunch of people really like this Yamato guy and are standing for no reason. Bro called run, then turn around and fight, then was out of position all fight, never built any combos to stun, or gouge, and blinded the immune boss; not to mention the druid pulling the other pack. Never mind all that; its Pirates fault, because he is the mostest popularz. Literal smoothbrains.
They're really just using it as an excuse to discredit Pirate because they don't like the way he talks. I don't even really like the guy, he can be confidently wrong sometimes, but it really is just like teenage drama. Nothing Pirate did was what got them killed. It really comes down to whether he could actually get away with a nova on the trash mobs without pulling aggro. I feel like you never take that risk in HC, not when you're already in such a losing position.
There’s a difference between playing optimally and making mistakes. Nothing pirate did caused a death, but by not playing optimally a death occurred when he had the ability to prevent it. I’m a bit confused by how insistent Yamato is being on getting pirate to take accountability when he’s also consistently saying pirate has no fault in this, if you’re asking someone to take accountability for something you’re implying that they are at least partially at fault for it. Pirate already said he could have played better, that was him admitting to not playing optimally. This just sounds like an ego contest.
asmon thinks that yamato just wanted to share the blame AS WELL AS sharing the failure. sharing the failure is correct and proper but the blame was not for pirate to take.
If Pirate stayed around, used his mana pot and continued to DPS, he would be the one dead. Just like the priest. And the rogue would have continued to watch it happen. All it takes is one daze from a mob that resisted ice nova and blink doesn't save you. Meanwhile there's this useless rogue who's spectating while he has both vanish and sprint up, and he's the one blaming someone else for not contributing? Ironically the mage did more to help with a single blizzard than the rogue throughout the entire time. Yamato is one of those guys that would tower dive top lane in league and then blame the bot lane when it goes wrong. He's a broken tool.
@@Zombiesbum He's a frost mage, he can play from a distance where he was at no risk and he chose not to actively. I don't blame the rogue for being caught offguard for the roach, it was so blatant that it was distracting. He didn't abandon his party and cared about them to try and save them.
@@autastic1 You don't blame the rogue? Why exactly? He did even less than the mage. At least the mage cast blizzard to try and help the escape. Even before Pirate ran off after casting blizzard, yamato did NOTHING, no blind on other mobs or any attempt to stun the boss. You're actually regarded beyond belief if you seriously don't see the hypocrisy in that. And what you say shows everyone that you just hate the player playing the mage. Get a life.
everyone could have done better, but asking Pirate to "admit that he make mistakes" simply a way for him to spread out the blame. like like a mob mentality. if everyone screwed up, then no one is at fault. classic case of trying to diminising your own accountability by spreading it out among everyone
Asmon doesn't ragebait. He has big ego and doesn't like conceeding points. In reality, he probably knows Pirate could've done more, but since that goes against his initial take he won't admit it. This is the Asmongold combo: 1. After he realizes his initial take was misinformed, he changes his style of argumentation to rely on binary logic because that's the only way he has any chance of being perceived as correct. 2. If he can convince people of some initial propositions, then he can compose those propositions into statements and make people think he's correct. For example: "You said to run!" Basically he stops engaging with the topic entirely and just tries to win a contrived debate. I think this is a big reason why Asmon has so many smooth-brain chatters. They can't find any issues with his propositions and believe he's correct most of the time. He has good takes on things, but social conflict and dynamics ain't one of his specialties.
This is the Asmon combo: 1. I've realized that I am being farmed the whole time 2. Leave crying 3. A new drama/repeat You winning an argument would be you not clicking on the video in the first place.
Asmonds take is that the druid is 90-100% at fault and he's right tbh. shunting blame onto Pirate is just braindead and shows lack of WoW understanding
21:24 no, he said its the druids fault for jumping around randomly and pulling the third group. Yamato has blame for bad calls. Druid tank and mage all could have optimized play, but were not outcome determinative. It was igl making a bad call and tank not understanding social aggro mechanic.
It wouldn't have been a bad call if their frost mage didn't teleport halfway across kalimdor. He knows it's his job to slow, he isn't a day 1 player. He's even talked about how a frost mage's job is to slow mobs to protect his party. He did none of that.
@ he immediately canceled it after one tick. he did nothing with the blizzard besides waste his mana. got no value out of it, but used up his whole mana bar when he could have frost nova'd he could used a rank 1 blizzard. every creator who watched the clip besides asmon (who already decided pirate was in the right before he even watched the clip, if you watch him react to it btw) point out all the bad play, and lying he did.
@Jxuptosae you can apply the slow with a rank 1. Which takes like 1% of a mana pool, instead of his entire mana pool. He misplayed and wasted his entire mana bar.
Asmon is 100% correct. Because he knows 90% of WoW better than any of these morons that joined for Hardcore. They're playing it because, "Oooh, hard game! Content!" like they did with the Souls games. They join in, and when someone knowledgeable about the game points out what they did wrong, they flame because they can do no wrong in their own eyes. At least with the Souls games, I'd say you don't backseat gamer because, "hey, they wanna experience the game for the first time like others did." But for WoW? HARDCORE WoW? Nah. You either know what you're doing, or you're a detriment. And clearly, using Blinds on a Boss *IMMUNE* to Blinds shows that you don't know what you're doing. Yamato is an absolute idiot. Ask RatIRL, he knows full-well how stupid Yamato is. The others were fools as well, and got the healer killed as a result of their brainless behavior. Its plain and simple. Pirate did the right thing in fleeing. And do not bring up his Mana Potions and the like. They would have changed nothing, because the idiots had already gone back in to die. If they had simply committed to running, they'd all have been fine. One of them might've died, but that'd have been better than most of the crew going down. DO NOT TAKE THE POSITION OF SHOTCALLER IF YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING PERFECTLY. Seriously, that would be a basic idea. I wouldn't entrust my life to some moron who knows the bare minimum about heavy equipment. I'm not gonna trust... Gods, what, 120-200 Hours worth of in-game time? To someone like that, either.
Pirate had no time to take his own faults with Yamato because every time he tried to say anything Yamato just full on attacks him, and the chat hoppers were out in force. This isn't about Pirate admitting faults... it's about yamato wanting it to be all his fault. "This is salvagable" is what got Snupy and Sara killed. By the end of this, when yamato tries to blind the boss, you can see that the trash packs are a football field away... it is only the boss doing all this damage to them and if nobody ever stopped after that blizzard and target dummy. They all would have made it. But they didn't... "this is salvagable".
it WAS salvageable if the mage was there, you seem to neglect that part. acting like he would ever admit fault for anything is hilarious, you must be an actual child.
www.twitch.tv/ahmpy/clip/CrepuscularConfidentKiwiPlanking--kvqQUDo7BKJ47lF Even the best PVE mage on the server agrees Pirate is wrong. Nobody is blaming Yamato for ego-checking this wise-ass. And Yamato said they all made mistakes and even admits he's a noob that doesn't know what to do. It's the fact Pirate is all talk no action. Trying to attack Yam is like shooting the messenger.
@@pxkdrake But was it? With how bad it got, and how useless everyone else was (After the 'run' call was made, the rogue used zero crowd control and the druid pulled extra, the rogue killed the healer, etc.) I'm not sure he could guarantee everyone lives. He probably could have saved one. I don't think he saves both without the others also playing much better.
Nah asmons right i've been played hardcore wow for a while and the fault was 100% on the tank. A mage with low mana who started the fight on like 65-70% mana is the issue Pirate had. They weren't respecting the dungeon enough and I mean all of them. They all rushed a bit too much. And no with a boss that can use charge a mage with no mana is in a very dangerous spot. Think of it like playing Draven with no mana or spinning axes as a darius with mana is chasing you. You wouldn't turn around to basic auto him because that gives him more chances to kill you. You get the fuck out of the stupid situation you put yourself in rather than try to save it and fail.
like say what you will about Asmon. He played this game for 20 years and has credentials to prove it if you look back to when he actually played the game (guides and such that he started his yt channel on). I haven't played any WoW, so his opinion on this carries more weight than mine ever will. From what I can gather, this is what happened. - Tank began pulling before healer and mage had regenerated their mana - Druid facepulls 2nd group. - Tank doesn't pull pack away from the boss walking up the stairs. Boss is pulled. - Rouge calls to run. - Druid turns around and tries to fight back - Mage uses blizzard (a slow iirc) to try and save Druid and tank, but run was called, and they have no mp now. So, they run. - Druid realizes their mistake and jumps away, face pulling a third pack. - Healer tries to salvage the situation by trying to save Druid and tank. Sacrifices themself in the process - Druid also dies. - Everyone else makes it out. - Everyone blames the mage My consensus is this. Rouge is dumb for blaming the mage and going back on a run call in Hardcore (As asmon says, in HC if you hear "run" you gtfo as fast as you can and dont look back), the tank did a fucky wucky pull that shouldn't have ever happened in the first place, and that Druid is just a dumbass. The real victims here were the healer, and the braincells of anyone who thought about this for more than five minutes. The Rouge also tried to blind something that was immune to blind, but I'll be generous and chock that up to panic. But if they could have built combo points or w/e to try and salvage the situation like Asmon says they could have, I'll take his word for it. As I said before, I don't know shit about this game, and he played it for 20 years. His words against mine!
yamato says everyone plays bad in every game lol just look up his brazil arc with dantes and tarzand... that mf misses a single canon minion and its over for the whole team lmao
Call was made to run so you can never adapt to other calls and developing situation. I mean pirate presents himself as some 140 IQ individual, one would think he could analyze these things while they happen real time.
Yeah its difficult to think straight when you have blitz hooks and pudge hooks coming your way. Totally understandable .... NOT. Disgusting roach left 2 of them to die.
I don't know mucb about Wow. COuldn't Pirate do the same spell as amphy ? Like the one that put frost on the ground and run + blizzard from far away to slow mobs and still be safe ? While i agree the call was " Run ", it's obvious that you just look back 2 sec and spamms slow ? That's why i don't really agree with asmon here.
bro I've never played mage and only played warrior up to level 45 in wow HC and even I knew that the mage could easily frost nova/blizzard and safely blink away. he was in no danger and had all the tools to save his teammates. people need to stop talking about the boss which is cc immune. ozzy was on the boss the boss didn't kill the group, it was the other mobs that could've been cced. people claiming that the call was made to run are actual brainded andies. run doesn't mean don't do anything to help and roach out. if you can help without risk to yourself, you help. that is such a dishonest argument. if you use that as an excuse for anything in life, you either get fired or arrested by police. use your brain that supposedly exists. run does not mean don't use any abilities.
I'm not some expert WoW player but from what I can gather he could've salvage that. I understand thinking that your work is more important than somebody elses' in terms of hardcore but I think it's still a shitty move to ignore your teammates.
and he's carved out a multi-million career for himself by cultivating an enormous blob of degens just like him who love to hear their strongly held, half-baked opinions get validated truly inspirational
he needs to stfu and get back to his video games, hes been smelling his own farts to much lately. i guess its easier to rake in cash by saying the most banale shit about cookie cutter topics all day.
@@badauthor6682 Not just that, he then claimed to T1 that he personally saved the tank xD totally ignoring the healers sacrifice. Truth is more towards Asmons PoV honestly - a series of bad calls by the tank and mainly by the druid (who caused both of the extra aggros). Rogue needs to shut up too, because he could have stealth scouted over the ledge and see that the boss is coming on a patrol and warned the tank. And Pirate did admit they all made mistakes, which is already enough. Yamato is just trying to divide the guilt equally like an idiot, anyone with an ounce of self-respect would ignore him. The "they they they" approach by Pirate is correct. He didn't make a single bad call leading to the situation, they did, he only made bad calls later. Healer probably sees it the same way but stays out of it, otherwise he would get blamed too xD I say that as a healer.
@@Oumegi yamato is 100% delusional, regardless of what he plays. when he listed mistakes he had many pooints each player could have played better, when he listed his own "mistakes" he said "maybe i could have used cc on the ogres ig" before immediately saying it was pirates job to begin with
Not his job to save the group. T1 sums it up perfectly @10:58 Edit 3 days later: Iv changed my opinion after hearing him talk himself up about being a god tier mage. If you're going to brag about playing a mage because you can save people, but then roach out like this, you're just a bad player. I didnt take into account this is a guild run, not a pug with random ppl. If this was random ppl, 100% roach out, but a guild group with basically your coworkers, thats scummy.
Pirate did the equivalent of vanish/hearthing right at the start. Yamato sucks at the game but he stuck with the team to the last second. Pirate at the very least could have dropped one more blizzard at the portal instead of bailing incredibly early.
I get that Pirate played kinda shit there not using his actives to try and peel but the tanking here was ATROCIOUS!!! Why is it, “you could’ve helped us salvage this” and not, “why did our tank just pull the entire fucking instance”
@@SplFEEDit probably because 80% of the fault was clearly on one person and it wasnt Pirate so he isn't going to tank the blame. And that's coming from someone who dislikes pirate.
asmon is very biased because he respects pirate but i guarantee if roles reversed he would find every single minmax mistake with pirates play and said he could have done much more
@@taleofsonata1 You literally saw him take sides in the vid that you commented on bro wtf. If it was any random person on that mage he would be yelling roach out
Piratesoftware is in the right. They said run, so he prioritized getting out. He turned around once to blizzard and gave his team some breathing room. The boss was immune to slow. The second time, he turns to see where his team was and possible get ready to do another blizzard, but they end up making the decision to now stand their ground a little. The reason ppl died was because they changed course from running to fighting. They would have been fine if they stayed running. Asmongold is right. If i hear someone make the call to run, I'm using all my movement increase abilities to gtfo. I might try to drop a dummy to buy everyone a second or two, but at that point, I'm gone. Also, looking at yamato's POV, the rogue, druid, and priest were a decent distance away from the mobs and in front of the warrior. If the druid and priest just sent hots and shields to the tank, and maybe ask pirate to through one more blizzard to ensure the little adds dont touch the tank. That would have been the call on top of running, but they didn't. They called to stand their ground, and the priest got too much healer aggro and died. That left the warrior open to be the next victim because the other two guys have dash/sprint to get away.
LOL 1 tick of blizzard before roaching yeah wow he helped them so much. Pirate is a dogshit mage with a god complex bro just admit it. www.twitch.tv/ahmpy/clip/BrightHardKumquatHoneyBadger-swVZNmeBDnN6siaM Here's the best PVE mage on the server explaining how to actually save a group and that Pirate sucks.
@@cDgTylerDurden Thors history is mostly as shot caller himself, as far ass I understand. And largely from eve. his entire history is "shot callers word is law because it's better to work together even on a bad call". He did his job and then ran. He may have done his job more if the rest were behind him, but they were not, they stopped to fight instead. They should have let the tank do his job and tank while the rest escape. It was too late to safely save the tank but they called for it anyways, and in doing so lost both the healer and the druid, instead of the tank. Thor could have absolutely done better, but he did not do anything wrong, he just did the right stuff poorly (such as max bliz instead of rank 1 bliz)
the funny thing is Yam did less to help than Pirate. IMO he is the roach. He did absolutely nothing but watched at least Pirate Blizzed. Yam even got the Priest killed with his shit calls. Watched, sprinted then tried to blind the boss at the very end. Literally a roach that just stuck around to watch them die an get them killed
People seem to be conveniently glossing over the fact that a rogue with vanish is just a roach in waiting. Yamato had just as many of not more tools to help the group survive yet he didn't use a single one, basically stood around until he sprinted out and acted like he did something and pirate did nothing. They both didn't do shit but at least pirate isn't attacking the others for it.
true he could have blinded the mob that was on the priest and gouged another, used evasion and stunlocked another mob, his sticky glue was also up, he also had vanish.. he could have done so much to save the group so he can't really complain about pirate, he roached out as well.
@@rivas623 Yep, that's why this is drama. The tank messed up, the druid messed up, then they called run, then Yamato messed up and got the healer killed. Pirate listened to the calls from multiple people saying run, and it's somehow entirely his fault for not fixing every mistake caused by the rest of his team - who continued to cause more problems, like the druid pulling, and Yamato not using any crowd control. Eventually they did all settle and say 'we could all play better', but that is NOT the angle this started with. Yamato HARD blamed Pirate, TH-cam and Reddit are exploding on Pirate for being bad, and Pirate is simply not going to take all the blame for everyone else messing up. If they didn't open the conversation with "fuck Thor", maybe he'd agree that he could have done more and taken the accountability.
This is why no one likes WOW players. Seeing them make mistakes and die is the whole point of hardcore, yet some people seem genuinely offended, and theyre not even right. Who screwed up prior to them running? Dont blame the rescue team, that's pretty stupid. That wasnt an attitude from pirate, that was genuine offense to some guy trying to pin the whole thing on him. Yamato had an attitude by throwing around blame while his team was dying.
I was originally thinking this was 90% on the tank for the bad pull but honestly if you're the raid leader you gotta tell the tank to pull the mobs back before you pull the boss. The fact that they allowed him to tank the mobs on the ramp as long as he did before calling it out is inexcusable for the raid leader. Those deaths wouldn't have happened if he told them to pull the mobs back right away. Asmon is right, there's nothing Pirate could have done to salvage the situation. So realistically it was 40% tank 60% raid leader for those deaths. The tank should have taken the fall and everyone else would have gotten out fine.
while the things that happened in game were the whole party's fault, all of the drama is yamatos fault. he is the one who went on the offensive against pirate before the situation was even done, forcing pirate to go on the defensive. and then when pirate showed up to talk yamato talked over him and refused to let him speak. yamato *always* talks over people and doesnt let them talk. he did it to asmon here as well even interrupting him as he was explaining. yamato is responsible for all of the fallout of this stupid drama and for the stuff his community has done to pirate since.
@@imyournme6632 Nah WOW players are definitely on the intelligence level of a cow possibly even lower. Actually I might be insulting cows at this point
"Most of the people you play with dont understand game mechanics, not looking to be team players , not looking to accurately evaluate a situation. " He basically called Thor a roach. Based from Asmon.
Hes farming views and engagement and you fell right into the trap. He is the king of saying something slightly unpopular or polarizing, get tons of ragebait, people type message like "Asmongold makes this video completely insufferable to listen too!!" That boosts the engagement, boosts the channel, equals more eyes, equals more money!
@@Buggabones this is a tyler1 clip channel tho, im not giving that ogre asmon any views. Youre right, hes just ragebaiting, doesnt mean its not cringe tho, personally i take solace in the fact that asmongolds living habits mean he will not be able to express his opinion on the internet in a few years
Yamato failed this one and wants to blame everyone else for the failing. I used to be in top tier raiding guilds across numerous MMOs and have found guys like this are a dime a dozen and every guild has at least one.
Asmongold is 100% right. I don't play WoW, but in any game ever, if your leader tells you to run, your resources go into running, with turning around to save your team if you can exactly like Thor did. I can't see how anyone is upset at Thor any more than the rest of the party, as they made far worse mistakes here.
wow never thought i'd see loltyler1 listening to asmongold talk about world of warcraft
I don't know mucb about Wow. COuldn't Pirate do the same spell as amphy ? Like the one that put frost on the ground and run + blizzard from far away to slow mobs and still be safe ?
While i agree the call was " Run ", it's obvious that you just look back 2 sec and spamms slow ? That's why i don't really agree with asmon here.
@@zzephi Yes, the mage was literally in zero danger he could have nova'd (frost on the ground) and used blizzard easily on the regular mobs, but you cannot do any cc to the boss so I think 1 person will probably still die but he for sure could have stopped the other death. Also the rogue could have done a lot as well he has all his important abilities still up like blind , kidney, gouge and sticky glue and he can always vanish out too.
mage also should have mana pots and a mana gem to restore some mana but i cant really tell if he used them or not
@@zzephi yes pirate did what they call "roach" out, which is leaving your group to defend for themself even though you could help them. Thing is though, they didn't need pirate to survive but they are bad players so they need someone to blame. Yamato used none of his cc abilities to help the tank which resulted in him taking a lot more damage than he needed to, the druid pulling extra mobs on the run out causing the healer to die.
@@zzephi if you don't have experience in wow, you will never understand this situation
Chat acting like Asmon didn't make WoW guides for a decade
He could never hit level 60 in HC wow. Bro is worse than esfand just look at his more recent WOW content. He's washed. He can only react and do schizo politics. It's sad cause he let his mother waste away for the game and he can't even commit to it anymore.
@@Alan-wj5zc Insane reach lmao, nobody is required to play a game
@@Alan-wj5zc "It's sad cause he let his mother waste away for the game and he can't even commit to it anymore." don't even go there. you don't know anything about his life and what he did or did not do. if you wanna hate then hate but don't bring up random shit that has nothing to do with anything to try and strengthen your argument. not cool
@@Alan-wj5zc After saying that horrendous stuff, you have no right to complain if someone comes after you in the same manner you just did. You don't know him. You don't know his personal life. You don't know how things went. How about you learn to stay in your place and not result to personal insults over a video game?
@@Alan-wj5zc Whoever raised you failed and it shows. Take a short drop with a sudden stop.
"this is salvageable bro"
as he stands on the ramp, away from the mobs, doing nothing...
I know right. Rogue says run to another player, in the same breath "pirate why are you walking away? this is salvageable bro." like wtf kinda call is that dude. While that was happening pirates pov he sees 2 ppl now next to him running toward the exit on the ramp and he blinks to pillar. That's when pirate shakes his head. A late ass180 call where he is now out of position to do anything anyways. Unbeknownst to Pirate they stopped running for a few seconds before they even made the call that it was "salvageable" so pirates opportunity to react even if he wasn't out of position is heavily delayed now/ a death sentence if he back tracked. Very frustrating moment in those shoes.
@Dante_S550_Turbo the priest then sacrificed herself to heal. All at the rogues call to "heal him" how on earth this rogue isn't begging for forgiveness from the two dead players is beyond me... Instead he's throwing hands against Pirate...
The both of you have common sense .it's refreshing
id expect the rogue to be the first rat out, not the mage spamming blink and ice barrier when mobs are a mile away from him.
@@GameMasterGameReviews rogue was too busy eating his own arm QQing
- Tank didn't pull back the 1st group. Proper pull would have avoided this entire situation.
- Druid pulled the 2nd group.
- Tank still didn't move them back.
- Boss was pulled.
- Rogue called "Run Run Run".
- Rogue called "Come Back".
- Druid pulled the 3rd group.
- Healer is dead because of that.
- Druid is also dead.
- Conclusion: Somehow Mage's fault.
You missed the 4th group that skull pulled, there was a patrol that walked into them as they were going down the ramp, it is hard to see from the rogues POV, but it does happen.
Well said.
did you literally miss the whole entire point? Nobody's saying it's his fault. The problem is him not even trying to help. Especially when he's playing a god-class that can singlehandedly salvage situations like this.
omg, if they didnt go to the dungeon at all, this whole situation couldve avoided. Maybe to avoid making mistakes in WoW HC, they should just uninstall the game
@@brandulak the only problem is the dumbass rouge tried to salvage the fight, if they all just ran like pirate they'd be alive.
Asmon isn't rage-baiting this is just him being himself.
truth makes people mad
He's rage-baiting by definition. The definition of rage-baiting is the manipulative tactic of eliciting outrage with the goal of increasing internet traffic, online engagement, revenue and support. Gotta be delusional if you don't think he tries to put things in a way which illicit a response, increasing "content" instead of phrasing his side in an agreeable way. That's why he got into problem with the Palestine stuff too. It's a recurring issue since at least the release of WoW classic back in 2019. He even calls out streamers for being too boring. No way this isn't purposeful strategy to be popular. He's a meek person IRL.
@@JohBenji calling a dumbass a dumbass isn't rage baiting. dumbass
he's also delusional so don't even bother
@@Yabog00just like it made asmon go to the hospital over tweets right
Asmongold is really coming out saying:
*_Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written!_*
😂😂
GOLD
How are we going to watch the Rogue dance around doing NOTHING the whole fight barking orders and not say he was the worst one in the group?
Yeah, as a rogue main this is the most annoying part. Not only did he not use any of his CCs (other than at the complete end against a boss which is immune) but he didn't finish off any of the low health mobs and was the loudest and most distracting aspect of the group.
@@reyalskrad1 Exactly this. Especially considering he has a way out of it with Vanish. The guy has to be completely new or someone gave him the account to play on.
100% Yamato is trolling this entire clip and the fact that it took Asmon an hour before he called that out is the craziest part to me.
@@nikolaykertev2457yamato is new. Pirate is a 20 year veteran apparently.
@@parkerraley9462 I don't think he's trolling, I think he's incredibly childish. He comes from LoL and you can tell with his attitude.
I don't know much about Fangs or WoW but the Thors attitude seems somewhat justified. He doesnt know these people and they butchered the instance. Then at the end they want everyone to say they made mistakes and everyone's at fault.
Why should he have to sit there and be talked down to by someone that he thinks is an idiot for making calls that got twice the amount of people killed?? Why should he have to take equal responsibility and carry guilt? So Yamato doesnt have to carry as much? F that. Yamato was in charge and should have to shoulder the blame. Him trying to control the narrative everywhere and pushing blame onto other people/topics shows how immature and childish hes being.
TRUEEEEE
I've seen enough Twitch clips of Yamato absolutely monging out like a child over league that him accusing someone else of not taking accountability is about as ironic as Alex Jones accusing someone else of being a conspiracy theorist. Yamato has actually achieved the impossible of making a character like Dantes the sane and reasonable one in an argument so him turning Asmongold into the expert on a topic doesn't surprise me in the slightest 😂
Because you decided to play with these people and you should have the maturity to fight back against your criticism calmly or accept it calmly, problem is it should also be given calmly. The entire problem here is ego. These people want to be so good or knowledgeable or such perfect at the game that as soon as they make a mistake which from what I can tell in this video everyone made some type of mistake, they can't accept some calm criticism or give out criticism calmly no one here was able to humbly just sit down and discuss what went wrong from multiple angles instead of f****** being angry about it and screaming and starting drama pirates started throwing jabs Yamato was upset other people started throwing blame it was a bunch of children screaming about who was in the wrong instead of OK here's what went wrong here here and here some people f***** up but it's just a game oh well sucks to be us. Children
He is toxic in league as well.
He wants to share the blame for his stupidness.
Yamato really shouldn't go head to head with Asmon. This is the kind of man who will argue forever that Jesus inted and not his apostles.
This stream is just t1 watching a professional go to work.
@@batcarpet1225 True, even t1 enjoyed this.
When he starts the mage pov, you can see him go from confident to panic to farm mode🤣
You just cant argue your way with the nurgle's chosen one if he does not win by word he will win by smell
Of course Asmon would buddy up with pirate over this nonsense lol. They're both wise-ass narcissists that can never be wrong and will talk you to sleep just to get the last opinion in. ZZZZZZ, L personalities. Pretty much every sweat in the Guild agrees Pirate was in the wrong.
The funny part is that Asmongold was originally popular for making the most effective guides in the earlier days of WoW. Tyler's chat just gaslighting by being in chat and not in the game. There is a reason Asmongold is the guy who crashed Classic server once.
Also, anyone with game sense knows that the math to surviving that situation was completely terrible and Yamato is just stretching this like a high school grudge.
But man is it fun to watch all the POVs.
classic wow players when they have to press more than w key and frostbolt: mind=blown... like its not easy but its not for any reason outside of more hardcore rpg style mmo design, compared to zoomer retail which holds your hand, but makes you press 800 different abilities while keeping eyes on buffs and passives, and leveling is just some shit u have to do to play the actual game. yamato probably couldve done more but he atleast was trying. thor kinda just w keyed away and walked out. its fine if you dont want to die but like man.... kinda a dick move, and of course he condescendingly jabs at yamato who was surprisingly reasonable compared to his normal league self. just dumb teenage shit at the end of the day
I don't get all the complex arguments.. the leader said run pirate ran. I don't care what the odds are for survival or the strategies to solve this problem.
Leader said run I'm running he wants to turn around and see he can salvage it then he can do it alone thats his problem should've ran.
@@totower9597 and no one would complain about this because no one had any expectations of you anyway
@@blur3316 Didnt know yet there is a POV of Thor giving jabs after this incident. But meh, a boss immune to softcc is expected. The amount of sustain you would need to keep that pull up would require two healers if I recall, not even if the tank was a Paladin. However, the tank being a Paladin would survive a retreat if they had to stand still. This happens in normal mode alot where the healer has to choose survival if they want to outlive a single boss hit. I used to be a healer in WoW, so I fully understand how the healer died here to save a wipe.
@totower9597 if you think any of this is complex, jesus.
With your flawed logic, the tank would die 100% of the time in situations where "run" was called. Regardless of whether it is a bad pull or who pulled, a tank collect threat before any run call is made.
Run doesn't just mean hold W and press blink. People using this as an argument must be challenged and certainly can't function correctly.
There are 3 or 4 clips knocking about of this "Software" dude literally bailing on his team. One of them is with this exact group, where he back pulls and then instantly begins to run before letting anyone know.
1) Druid pulled the second pack
2) Yamato said RUN multiple times
3) Yamato changed the call midpoint and makes people stay
4) Druid pulls THIRD pack
5) Yamato didn't do anything but watch and scream the entire time
6) Yamato got both the druid and healer killed instead of just the tank
Ye? and he apologized to both of them. Doesn't change the fact Pirate roached and 1000% could have saved at least one of them. Instead he blows all his mana, doesn't use any resource, did not do his job as a mage at all. Dude preached about helping teammates and pulled this stunt. He's a fraud and a hypocrite for someone who's a "veteran".
@@CantCookForLife Yamato apologized because he knows he's responsible? So you recognize that??
Pirate didn't roach, he did try to blizzard immediately when they called run and then ran.
When the morons say "LOL JK COME BACK AND DIE WITH US", and he keeps running...THAT is not roaching...THAT is NOT being stupid.
He played optimally to his level of skill, he's not Xaryu, he's not Ahmpy, why do people think he should make the exact same plays that they would have made in the same situation?
It's beyond stupid to expect that. Brainless chimps honestly.
all these lies about yamato when he was the last person out? what a weird cope
@@HeyYoFabels Did you watch the video? Everything the OP said is true
@@HeyYoFabels What did he do to help besides try to cc the only cc immune mob and yell at everyone else to do something?
All he was was a mascot, he did nothing, helped nothing, he was worse than useless.
Dude shouts "run run run run run" then 20 seconds later "why you running bro"....... Then in voice chat with tyler If someone tries to gaslight me by talking over me saying "let me speak" before I have finished speaking myself, then I too am leaving chat. Aint nobody got time for that.
100%. Nobody is gonna talk over you and interrupt saying "let me speak" just to pay you a compliment. Dude wanted to argue and play 20/20 hindsight. And some people just don't want to argue, and think it's a waste of time. My best friend is like that. If we start arguing about something on Discord, he'll just leave the call. Thor wasn't wrong for not sticking around for that BS.
thor started saying “are you gonna let me talk” whilst yamato was talking actually it was Thor’s unbearable passive aggressiveness and narcissism coming out
I find it amusing how many ppl whining about pirate not saving the run from the colossal fuckup caused by the rogue druid and tank.
two of then lived while getting the priest killed as they tried to save the run.
Every possible thing Pirate *could* have done to save the run, Yamato the Rogue, could also have done and did not. He didn't kill low health Mastiff's, he didn't build combo, he didn't Blind something not Immune, and he had Evasion and Vanish in case he fucked up. He ran too. He just feels better about himself because he ran slightly less far away. He's also the one that made the call to Run, instead of slowly kite back or slow retreat.
@@RuneKatashima yamato has 14x the damage of pirate at the end there, soooooo looks like ur wrong pal
@@HeyYoFabels Damage doesnt matter in this instance unless you finish a mob. They are running not finishing the fight. Any damage done that doesn't kill a mob means nothing. It doesnt get you closer to the exit and it doesnt stop the mobs from chasing you.
If the rogue continued to do his combo so he could get his CC then maybe it would have been useful in the sense that it allowed him to cc targets. However he didnt do that did he?
And then they have the balls to try and force him to take the blame for those 2 that died lmfao what a joke.
Terrible take. Was easily saveable this guy is an idiot
I watched the full Asmon vod. He was 100% right imo. Sucks that 2 people were lost, but once you call run you can't blame them for running. Also shouldn't have pulled with players at low mana. There is a lack of accountability going on, but it isn't from Pirate.
Yeah, I don't like Thor, but it seems to me MOST of the people going against him in this particular situation is just because they don't like him and not because of what actually happened. In this situation, he did nothing wrong.
Because the clan, or whatever is called, and all the simps are just a cult and crazy about shitting on someone who had barely any more fault than anyone else lol
The thing that a lot of people miss is the main issue is how thor acted afterwards.
What most of the people who know that miss, is that how he acted was entirely brought upon by how the rogue acted.
on top of all of that, most of the people crying about asmon's video miss that he doesn't give a fuck about any of that and is purely talking about what went wrong IN the raid
You are a bit wrong there.
Asmon was NOT 100% correct, but for the most part he was.
And Thor should for sure told them to wait with the pull to get his mana to max.
That is one of his jobs as a mana user to do before a pull.
@@Fox-in-the-Storm
Thor did a few mistakes, but both you and Asmon totally miss the reason for the drama.
It was what was said after the wipe that made the drama.
Then Thor first claimed he did everything correctly and knowing how condescending Thor often can be, did that piss one or more off.
He later admitted that everyone could have done better, but that was to late for one or two of the ones in the group.
Asmon is Thor's mate, so he was very eager to defend Thor and focused on the wipe itself and not on what was said after.
Here is how you know Yamato is full of shit.
Yamato: We all did poorly
Thor: We all did poorly
Yamato: Why is Thor dodging accountability!
I 100% agree. This is not the last time Yamato will be in these drama moments
This is how you know Maldavius is full of shit
Maldavius: I was oom
Wasn't oom
Maldavius: I wasn't able to do anything
He could've saved the entire party
Maldavius: I'm a guild enchanter, it wasn't worth it
There are like 10 other guild enchanters
@@YngGreenI like those who support pirate somehow forget about this
maldavius figtree
Thor is terrible human being
I find it funny how everyone in T1's chat starts saying he isn’t good at WoW as soon as T1 asks if he’s good or not. He played WoW for 20 years before quitting because he didn’t like the direction Blizzard was taking the game. He’s very knowledgeable about the game and knows what he’s talking about. Of course, he's framing this drama because he’s a content creator, but saying he isn’t good at WoW or doesn’t know what he’s talking about is disingenuous. I don’t always agree with Asmon and his takes, but I’m not so egotistical that I can’t admit when he’s right about something.
funniest part is that yamato admitted that he is a noob at this game and said they should ask someone who knows the game.
they ask asmon, who as you said, without a doubt is more knowledgeable then anyone involved in this ""drama"" and yamato calls him clueless and bad.
@@angulinhiduje6093
Aka
"I want someone more knowledgeable, but only if they agree with me"
From what I've heard of this dude he sounds like a whiny loser, trying to spread blame to make himself look better
well asmon, just like pirate, do have a lot of knowledge on the game. similarly, they both suck at it though. Anyway, I'm pretty sure asmon is ragebaiting, because anyone who plays mage at over a basic level knows r1 blizzard makes that escape so incredibly free that its not even stressful.
@@vzreo I agree with you. He saw an opportunity and he took it. But he knew wtf he was talking about. He did all of that in the name of content. 😂 I don't know about frost nova thing tho. as far as I know that mob is immune to hard CC
@@vzreoI've talked to a bunch of mages. Not one agrees with your take. And I mean mythic raider mages. Tank says run, the run is over.
lmao i never thought id see yamato and asmomgold in the same sentence
People acting like this is just Classic WoW instead of Classic HC. If the tank says Run, then I run. I've seen way too many HC death compilations to know that there's no way in hell I'm going to risk the MANY hours I've put into this character just to try and save those that decided NOT to run. I'm definitely not turning back because a rogue said so, especially one that's doing nothing but running around and trying to Blind the boss.
Pirate doesn't need to apologize for anything.
by your logic every server would be devoid of tanks.
Its just tyler1 glazing chat watchers. They've never played a day of HC WoW in their lives. They chronically doomqueue league, and because they are a league player they can't resist the urge to backseat game.
Its glaringly obvious.
@@krele14if I’m tanking it’s my voice that’s the authority on the run. Not the DPS that can’t target skull that makes it harder to keep pack control
cockroach
@@Ontinara Ozy also said to "just run", lol.
yamato absolutely seething in asmons chat LMAO
it was so fucking good. there arent as many meltdown tantrums
Yamato made himself look like a generic twitch chat user for real lol.
Thats all Yamato does, just angry and raging all the time it's hilarious
@@K3Vz0who is that guy anyway??? I swear I NEVER heard of that guy
And now people preach his words like it’s gospel?? Idk, ill listen to people that know the game and are known to play the game
@@bradleyjenkins2271 he is a league player. he got popular by leeching other bigger creators but because he is such a rat after time everyone distances him from yamato.
im surprised anyone sided with him tbh, usually he is just added to tournaments and events to see his meltdown reactions.
last 2 league events he participated in he got kicked, either by the team or TO because he keeps insulting everyone, screaming all the time and once someone tries to speak with him he just repeats "let me talk" like a broken record. absolute clown.
Asmon has some good points but there is at least 60% rage baiting in the way he says it. The second blink was unnecessary, but it also looked like a communication error cause he blinked after the guy asked "Why are you walking". I'd agree with what Thor said on this, everyone messed up, including himself. There is no reason whatsoever for Yamato to try and push 100% of the blame onto Thor. The pull was never salvageable, there was a call to run, the rogue was equally useless in the escape, the healer died because of bad calls, the druid pulled an extra pack in his panic jumps, and thor ofc could have used less blinks and maybe nova'd the dogs he did try to blizzard once but it didn't help much.
People are just mad that he got out safe instead of sacrificing himself for them. Which would have been very bad btw because he apparently had high crafting and had his guilds inventory. You can call him a rat, but in doing so you'd have to say the rogue is also a rat. Which would explain why the rogue is so desperate to pin the blame on someone else.
PiRAT just sprinted past me in elwynn forest, he was showing no signs of stopping. u can say a lot about him but that guy has a pair of legs on him for sure
Hahahahhahahahaha
"Who's gonna carry the boats!!!"
Thanks for the giggle
Love this
im dying man xddd
3:27 "Didn't we watch his VOD and hahahahaha Pirate didn't look behind him once? "
4:11 (looks behind him) , 4:18 (looks behind him and blizzards). Then he's out of mana and runs the rest of the way.
The rogue is stupid af. He changed his mind about the call, didn't say it until Thor was 75% of the way back to the entrance, then berated Thor for not reading his mind.
He wasn't oom
@YngGreen he had 10%
@ he had a mana gem and a robe, basically full mana
@@fandangosanon top he wasted a lot of mana for stupid things. One of the examples is that he is already in a safe zone, he wasted mana on blink for no reason?? Max blizzard that eat chunk of his mana like (1.2k mana) when lvl 1 blizzard only costs like 300
@@OsmosisMaple that doesn't change the fact that the call to run was made, you can sit here and hindsight everything but that doesn't change the fact that there were at least two people who were massively at fault. Could he have done things differently, sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that his party made bad calls and played in the worst possible way in that instance. Everyone could have done better, obviously lol.
Asmons take was based, the bear pulls the group on exit and gets the 2nd person killed, yamato calls salvageable and gets the healer killed, pirate coulda sat around with yamato pressing nothing because he had no mana and the same outcome would of occurred with the only exception being that yamato didnt get upset at pirate for being 30ft away instead of 10ft away to watch the disaster unfold.
Yep, and then yamato has the nerve to complain about it to everyone, run to the guild leader, jump in asmons chat, ect.
Pirate could've nova'd and maybe saved one person, but there was a high chance he gets knocked back by the boss or, once one of the melee dies, they turn around and smack him too. The tank shouldn't have pulled the boss on the ramp next to another pack, the druid shouldn't have ran behind the mobs and aggroed the pack behind the boss. He did absolutely nothing to start the disaster, he didn't make the call to run, he didn't make the 2nd call to stay.
Peope saying Asmon is biased because of Pirate, when they are so lost in their own biased because they hate Pirate and can't see the situation objectively
99% of the streamers and some good mage ones making fun of pirate for being a yapper that doesn't know how to play for a reason
@@oKthen-pc7kk yet no one really knows what pirate should have done in that situation. From what I've seen and heard he could have regenerated some mana and cast 2 spells, that wouldn't really have helped. What exactly should he have done?
Love how this video totally skips asmons breakdown of how the third pack was aggro'd, with hard proof. it is mostly yamatos fault, thats just facts.
The best part is when the druid aggroes a 3rd pack and gets the healer killed. They played terribly and want the guy to share blame because he didn't want to risk his life trying to clean up their messes.
fax bro. everyone saying pirate coulda saved them yada yada, have never played a day of HC wow
No, Asmongold's takes, after the whole video, boils down to these points: it was salvageable initially, but the Druid jumping aggroed more mobs which ruined that. Stopping the retreat to try to fight caused the Priest to die, the tank should have kept running.
Someone called repeatedly to run, so you run. Period.
The Druid and the Rogue are *primarily* at fault.
That Yamato is a whiney annoying guy.
That there was extremely little the Wizard or anyone could have done to change the outcome after the mistakes were made.
A Nova on the staircase might have helped or it could have been another mistake. Teamwork is committing to a call, even if it's a bad call.
If everyone had run, the Priest and Rogue would have had enough distance from the mobs for the tank to keep aggro.
And that you cant call out Run and then take it back because of the cost of running impacts combat or the ability to escape - mana, speed potions, skill usage/CDs that are then not available in a crucial window of time.
"run run run"... "pirate, why you running bro? this salvageable"
Pirate never said it was salvageable. Try again dude.
@@Skulljeep00 Read it again dude. he's quoting that arm biting man child.
@@Skulljeep00What are you on about? He's not quoting Pirate here, nor was he insinuating Pirate was saying this quote.
@@Skulljeep00 it's been 3 hours, did you read that one sentence correctly yet?
He's quoting Yamato but try again dude@Skulljeep00
Look. If you are doing hc content...you should all define and agree on what "run" means. If uts fall to regroup. Ok. If its "GTFO" then ok. Here we have a party that hadnt discussed that, we have a mage going in at low mana, forgot mana gem...or realized it would do f all who heard 3 runs and that typically means its going to pot so he hoofed it. a rogue not knowing the boss is immune to slow, and blinds who jumps into a 3rd aggro mob, and pulls boss LOS. A druid that after starting to fall back, turned to hold the line and help. And the healer getting different chats in his eardrums and panicing. Also. People dump on asmon...but he was the highest dps in his guilds on diablo, and wow for a long time, and his guides were legendary on the oc wow...
He knows how to play, and how to cheese. Some get mad that hes just better than them, but no longer professional. He hates how ratty and roachy people get..its not rocket science
the people that are hating baldy are hating for no reason tbh
He literally moused over the mana gem, and said "I have no mana". He made the active choice to not help, and he threw his team under the bus and pretended otherwise. Nobody would be mad at him if he acknowledged what he actually did, but he is lying about the shot call, he could have given them slows that got everyone out safely, but instead he chose not to help.
@@autastic1 nah slowing couldve killed him there, no reason to, he did what the leader called and thats run. Nothing wrong you, u simply have no common sense in you
@@autastic1 On Hardcore, if someone says run, you run. Or situations like this occur. Simple as that. Anything else is smoothbrain commentary.
@@SyrupyBeard Nah. He only acknowledges the call when it's run, he completely ignores it when they reassessed the situation. a single frost nova could have saved everyone.
From being toxic in league, to being toxic in wow. Man Yamato sure has it going for him. Throwing with stones while sitting in a glass house, is too funny.
Hard agree. Can't stand Yamato. He talks about Pirate not taking accountability while trying to deflect his own.
Show me the part where he was being toxic
There is not much point in having sensible conversation with Asmongold as he literally has no idea what he is talking about...
@@RuneKatashima Funny when Pirate is the biggest fraud and snake on twitch. He could easily have saved them, he chose to let them die. He refused to use mana gem, he used shield for nothing to deplete his mana. It's a game so who cares right, but his actions tell you everything you need to know about him as a person. Total fake. I'm glad I don't know either Pirate or Asmon in real life, they would throw you under the bus at the first chance to save themselves. Cowards.
@@youngboyinventedmusic6716 that has to be the one topic asmon absolutely knows what he's talking about. The other people in the conversation don't even know what spells are effective against the boss but think they know if it was salvageable. Watch his reactions to hardcore deaths, he knows what's going to happen before it happens most of the time.
They also keep moving the goalposts about this. First it's about him running, then it's about him not doing anything, now apparently all that is irrelevant and it's all about "accountability and attitude", like what? This is a video game, not a therapy session. Bro doesn't need to take accountability for the mistakes of others.
Don't forget, they also said it wasn't that he ran, it was how he ran and never looked back once.
Let me steelman Yamato's argument. Let's say Pirate has infinite mana, 0% threat, stays, and max rank blizzards the mobs. He's permanently invulnerable to physical damage and knockback so he can't be charged by the guards, and the mobs magically stay on Ozzy the entire time. They then try to fight it out.... ready for the outcome?
They would all die because the god damned druid and rogue were doing 0 DPS and weren't interrupting casts, so the priest would run out of mana. Even Thor, because he would then get frostbolted to death once the warrior is down. The rogue and druid in this party were mouthbreathing useless idiots. There was no saving the pull.
Holy fuck. Chat has got to be 12. Asmon used to be top teir wow content. Like he knows his shit. He's not the "best" by far. But he knows his shit. Twitch chat is the most brain rot shit ever
It's the equivalent of Vietnam era of torture music. Instead of babies crying, it's this overblown drama of 12 years old barking at each other.
I'm taking mental damage just scrolling down this comment thread ngl.
internet wants an apology for the dude not risking his own char - after he said out loud that he made the decision because he didnt want to risk his own char, because he values his own time more than others. People apologize when they make a mistake, not when they make a decision, they stand by.
I am with asmon, people just dont like pirate, but they had told themselves he was something he is not, so they could like him. It is as simple as that. People just dont like pirate, and wants him to apologize for being him. So weird and so disturbed.
Yamato just wants to be mad at someone who isn't his friend and he is just using Pirate as a scapegoat for his childlike anger. Ozy made three mistakes before the retreat was even called, and was solely responsible for the escalation of that entire encounter.
If Ozy was a better player he would have recognized his multiple errors, seen what was going to happen, drawn aggro from the druid and said "This is on me. I'll see you guys in two weeks." and let himself die. But he didn't. And I actually agree with Asmon entirely on this - Ozy and Yamato are both responsible for Sara's death directly. By calling her back for the heals, they 100% killed her. It was trading the healers life for the tanks life.
Even Ozy outright admitted that he was at fault, but instead of Yamato just dropping it...He starts going in on these weirdly vague and subbjective arguments about Pirate's 'Accountability', 'Attitude' and 'Ego' as justifiable reasons to go on some smoke-and-mirror witchhunt to wash away the fact that your buddy fucked up. For someone who clearly looks over the age of 18, he's got a toddlers brain.
Anyone upset that he didn't "take accountability" for a situation he's not accountable for is actually braindead
It is the same when a Victim fights back after 10 years of abuse. Victim becomes the villain.
"anyone" also think that he can save the whole situation even the fact showed many mistakes were made regarding the second pack and the third pack
@NathanielEugene I'd ask you to try that again in English, but I feel that you've already made your side look stupid enough
@ but I am siding with you
@ what I am saying is the odds are not in his favor
He could save the situation or those could not have been saved... but those people which I refer as "anyone" just want to based on the positive side of the outcome which he can do something and actually save them rather than accept the fact that it was most likely a lost cause
roach recognize roach
Why the Asmon hate? I thought he was a wholesome figure in the community
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@@lebykerweak bait
@@lebyker he was until he stopped playing video games and went into politics and internet degen culture.
Talking about asmon or the ones in his room?
Is asmongold good at wow, that's subjective
but he does know the entire game in and out.. he can name almost every piece of gear and what dungeon it comes from by just looking at it without even inspecting and reading the name.. as well every boss mechanic, and pretty close to remember every bosses health.
his analysis breakdown on wow mistakes is on point.
1. They started a pull with the mage half mana.
2. They didn't reposition the mobs further away from the boss which they knew was right around the corner.
3. When they said run, (run was a good call) some of them didn't and stayed to fight and changed the call (salvage it was a bad call)
4. The druid agroed a third pack with poor positioning.
"Is asmongold good at wow, that's subjective "
is it though?
i mean objectively he had mounts that you could only get through highest pvp rank, he was a shotcaller for a very good guild, and like he said his videos back in the day got popular simply because he was the best at the game.
i dont play it myself, maybe he was just lying. but even then, i think with his thousand of hours he his objectively good from a new players point of view like yamato
but he didn't even know if the boss was immune to nova. Sit down little boy.
Lol it's not even a question, Yamato called run and second guessed it, told the healer to go back and got them killed too.
He called run, he didn't call "forget that you play a frost mage and your job is to CC for your team so they can escape" Jason knows his class, he knows that's his job, he had beef with them and left them on purpose. He lied about having no mana. The funniest thing to me was after all of it he goes "I used to work for blizzard, if you message me they'll ban you" the classic 'my dad works for nintendo' technique
@@autastic1 i think pirate is cringe as a person but i dont think he was in the wrong.
the party failed before this run, they failed again and got themselves killed.
sure he could have done more, but these clowns would have found a way to get themselves killed regardless. he is the parties mage, not their babysitter.
and also as everyone has pointed out, the boss was immune to slow.
they could have walked out and decided to kill themselves. a frost mage has no method of charming allies so they dont just stand there like npcs
So the consensus is that pirate isn’t really to blame. So why is he getting flamed for refusing to accept blame??? Not accepting blame makes sense when you are not to blame. Especially when someone is trying to force the whole “we’re a team we should share the blame” in the real word the guy who calls the shot takes them blame.
Personally I would say, “no bro don’t pin this on me, I did what I was told”, just like pirate did. I would 100% stand my ground when someone comes at me, wrongfully with blame.
Because Pirate is a succesfull guy who a lot of people like. He also hit rock bottom and decided to climb out. thats very confronting for people who hit rock bottom but cannot or are too lazy to climb out (not saying everyone can jsut giving two cases). Thats my theory at least.
The consensus is that Pirate definitely could've saved them. Watch literally any other WoW creator react to this and that's their conclusion. Obviously it's not only Pirates fault because it's true that Yamato could've done more and they shouldn't have pulled the mobs in the first place. But in that situation the mage could have done the most to save them easily and safely and it's kinda expected of them to do so. Even Pirate himself says this.
The biggest issue in Pirates behavior is that he refused to admit he could've saved them pretty easily. He also acts like a WoW veteran and supposedly has decades of experience while Yamato is a league creator so it's funny when he plays as well as Pirate (they both do nothing). People say that he was just listening to a call to run, but run usually means run together and play together, not abandon everyone even when you have the most tools to help them and the person who called run is Yamato the league creator. Again this literally isn't my opinion, watch anyone other creator react to this. The only people I see defending Pirate here are Asmongold and his fans
@@NotNotNotNotNotChicken he could, but that's a rosk of him dying too, and that's perfectly acceptable to run after rl calls run. You can find too many videos of magea trying to save people dying... If they all would run only tank would've died
@dahyar1 idk all the people I see react all say anyone whos played wizard before could've safely saved at least one and probably both of them
@@NotNotNotNotNotChicken Anything beyond some R1 blizzards would put him at risk. Popping the mana pot could pull aggro from the packs that just entered the fight on the last ramp. Chest activation same thing. Frost nova only has a 10 yard range which is basically melee range. As a former guild enchanter myself I can tell you that what's in his bank isn't something you as a guild want to lose. Vanilla WoW enchanting is a different beast than retail, it's not easy getting some of those mats. Edit: Let alone getting enchanting to 300 which I distinctly remember being a massive pain in the ass.
The thing I find funny is the fact Im not even sure if a Mage with infinite mana could of stopped the two deaths that happened.
Maybe it could of only been one death but it's hard to say even that with the boss attacking and that extra group of enemies added halfway through the run.
Let me get this straight:
- They call to “RUN”
- Pirate runs
- Pirate not only runs, but also Blizzards to help slow the ads
- Pirate runs out of mana because of Blizzard
- People are angry
Asmon is right: had they not second guessed themselves, they would’ve lived. You have to commit to a decision, not call “Run”, turn back and fight, and then run again. Pirate heard the Run call and ran, like all of them should’ve done.
You can hate Asmon all you want, I don’t love the guy either, but the truth is he’s been playing WoW since vanilla, and he used to be one of the top raiders in the game. He’s very knowledgeable about WoW.
+1 thank you
lol he gets carried everytime
good player yea
@@AssassinCreedDark he was the top Warrior parse in Legion, but okay.
You didn’t get it straight
Pirate didn't blizzard, he started casting it cancelled it and didn't even get one tick
This is like a movie
YAMATO - the stupid COMMANDER
DRUID- the guy who always makes noise in a zombie movie and lure ALL of them and get the others killed
HEALER - THE valiant sacrifice who always dies just to save someone
MAGE - the roach that always runs away and get the important beloved character to die... Gets blame for his self preservation
BUT HONESTLY the biggest contributor and biggest cause for this disaster to happen is that Shot calling.. That stupid shot calling
Watching T1 react to Asmon. What a weird fucking timeline we hopped to.
Asmon's breakdown shows you how good he is. Man knows immunities and hp level off the top of his head for a game he hasn't played in forever. The team F-cked up and tried to blame pirate, the only one who did something right.
dude says cc wont help because the boss is immune to it... who tf cares about the boss lmao the tank has him locked, its 100% the mobs that kill
@@vzreo Wonder what the rogue with 3 hard CCs all ready to go is going to do about the mobs? Blade Flurry AoE with Evasion on top to grab aggro and let the tank's daze wear off? Gouge one add, Sinister + kidney another? Maybe feeling extra brave and popping Vanish into Cheapshot?
Nah, instead he casts Cannibalize on his own arm. GGs
@@thesunthrone rogue is mega dogshit too lmao. you dont have to pick sides
@@thesunthrone "the rogue could have done X or Y or the rogue could have done Z, or perhaps the rouge could have done This that and the other thing, which would have been a great set up to do This and that and maybe it would help with...." Yeah totally bro, ORRRRRR the mage could have used frost nova. dumbass
lmao lets give asmon his respect, hes arguing cause hes right, not just because hes argumentative
He's arguing because he did a collab with piratesoftware and holds bias towards him. 99% of the reactions are people pointing out he's a roach. He IS a roach.
@@autastic1 but that doesnt matter, you roach out there, cause they pulled the boss and pulled even more, just run and get out, Yamato clearly didnt do anything and Druid aggro other mobs. Bad leader
Exactly
Yamato is that kid, who got hit in the face by accident while playing, and then tries to rat to parents to get others in trouble
Only people that don't know the game think that Pirate is in the wrong. In DM you are not killing 2 packs of mobs AND a miss pulled boss with most characters low on mana..
Pretty much every WoW pro reviewed multiple angles of what happened and agreed pirate is a rat who could have easily saved someone. ASmon and PiRAT are both big phonies. WoW hardcore is actually great because its making it easily apparent who the actual good wow players are. Hell, asmon gave Perditions blade to a warrior over the rogue who won the roll and said the dagger isnt an iconic rogue weapon anyways. The guy is clueless about the game he has played for 20 years.
Pirate didn't look like the bad guy at this point, but the drama brought out his true colors and he lost a lot of respect and tanked his reputation.
I dont like PirateSoftware but to me this situation looked like bad pull into panic call into another panic call into asspull and then some more panic. The only person that decided to not stand in the fire (run away) per RLs call instead of spazzing out like a headless chicken and making the situation even worse is getting railed for not even playing bad but for "not saying the correct thing".
Asmongold was one of the best players in wow for a long time, multi cutting edge, multi glad, with an insane amount of achievements and used to be one of the first tutorial creators for the game. For people to say he sucks is actually delusional. Now you might not like him but to say he has no accolades in the game is crazy work
Agree man, I'm one of the main pug raid leaders in cataclysm, have done many top lvl m+, glad on retail this expansion and I've seen some of the stuff asmon has done in the past and I feel I've done nothing in comparison, dude literally had achieved everything he could achieve in wow every expansion, cutting edge, rank 1, glad, m+ top 100s and other achievements from tbc til shadowlands and people still say he's bad lol
Honestly that's how you know which chatter plays wow and which doesn't.
This has to be a troll comment. He literally got boosted for his glad mounts and titles by multi rank 1 glads and everyone's known this for a long time. Go look at his glad push videos and you will understand. There's a reason he doesn't talk about those "accolades". He got hard carried and boosted.
Asmon got boosed in pvp everyone knows this. He can barely pug the raid on normal and has for like 8-9 years now. Last time he was serious was in Legion in 2016. He doesn't actually know anything about pve anymore and was a casual in the BC days. His biggest accolades are orange parses from WoD when everyone quit the game lol. He just knows about collecting transmog and mounts. People keep mistaking that for some kind of expert ability...no Asmon has never been known to be some kind of "WoW expert" that is a complete misnomer.
@@Doomblade1000 Asmon is still better than 99% of retail players today, this is a fact. Just because he decided to play a different aspect of the game or leave and stop playing altogether doesn't mean everything he did previously is null and void. You have to be able to play really well to even buy gladiator so I don't even know what you're talking about. You are taking all of his accomplishments that 0.01% of the playerbase have and making it seem like it's nothing, incredibly disingenuous
@isaacsmith3463 you actually don't know anything about what your speaking of in regards to pvp and gladiator boosting. Yes you can literally be garbage and still get carried by 2 multi rank 1 gladiators, that is what asmongold did. He got boosted. They aren't called achievements, he was boosted. Those glads would not play with asmongold if he was a nobody/not a streamer. Go watch his glad push videos he's still got up, you don't know how bad the carry was until you watch it.
That whole incident should be animated. It would be so funny. Yamato panicking. Pirate running off in the distance and contemplating his mana pot and choice to save the team only to roach.
There was 0 chance that the mana pot would have done anything to change the outcome. he would have gotten maybe 5 more frost bolts off, they literally said "run" it's hardcore, you don't make indecisive decisions. You make a call and dedicate to the call.
mana gem and archmage robes, but yeah
@@Ecliptor. yee
yamato honestly fucking griefed the fuck out the comms, its so hilarious. got the priest killed and then tries to deflect blame entirely onto pirate. if they all ran, high chance only the tank dies.
save how mr professional
It's hilarious because Yamato yes did stick around but literally did NOTHING. If the argument of who was more useless they both literally did nothing.
This entire situation has the same energy as someone calling to wall a run in FFXIV and then getting pissed that people walled it instead of trying to recover.
funniest thing about this is that in league of legends, the game yamato plays most, he regularly slanders the entire bloodline using every slur imaginable of players who try to salvage a lost team fight after he signaled to retreat and not fight. 100% hypocrite. he is the one who cant admitt his own faults.
when talking to tyler he listed many aspects each player could have playeed better ro should have done and when he talked about his own gameplay he just said "maybe i could have played even better ig" before saying his role was too risky to help
This is why adults shouldn't play with children. Pirate clearly did nothing, or the least; wrong, out of a group of people who did wrong collectively(besides the healer). Now drama that isn't drama is probably going to ruin friendships. Seems like a bunch of people really like this Yamato guy and are standing for no reason.
Bro called run, then turn around and fight, then was out of position all fight, never built any combos to stun, or gouge, and blinded the immune boss; not to mention the druid pulling the other pack. Never mind all that; its Pirates fault, because he is the mostest popularz.
Literal smoothbrains.
To be fair, bro didn't fight either. He's only telling other people to fight while he's also running.
They're really just using it as an excuse to discredit Pirate because they don't like the way he talks. I don't even really like the guy, he can be confidently wrong sometimes, but it really is just like teenage drama.
Nothing Pirate did was what got them killed. It really comes down to whether he could actually get away with a nova on the trash mobs without pulling aggro. I feel like you never take that risk in HC, not when you're already in such a losing position.
There’s a difference between playing optimally and making mistakes. Nothing pirate did caused a death, but by not playing optimally a death occurred when he had the ability to prevent it. I’m a bit confused by how insistent Yamato is being on getting pirate to take accountability when he’s also consistently saying pirate has no fault in this, if you’re asking someone to take accountability for something you’re implying that they are at least partially at fault for it. Pirate already said he could have played better, that was him admitting to not playing optimally. This just sounds like an ego contest.
I think you hit the nail on the head tbh
asmon thinks that yamato just wanted to share the blame AS WELL AS sharing the failure. sharing the failure is correct and proper but the blame was not for pirate to take.
If Pirate stayed around, used his mana pot and continued to DPS, he would be the one dead. Just like the priest. And the rogue would have continued to watch it happen. All it takes is one daze from a mob that resisted ice nova and blink doesn't save you.
Meanwhile there's this useless rogue who's spectating while he has both vanish and sprint up, and he's the one blaming someone else for not contributing? Ironically the mage did more to help with a single blizzard than the rogue throughout the entire time.
Yamato is one of those guys that would tower dive top lane in league and then blame the bot lane when it goes wrong. He's a broken tool.
@@Zombiesbum He's a frost mage, he can play from a distance where he was at no risk and he chose not to actively. I don't blame the rogue for being caught offguard for the roach, it was so blatant that it was distracting. He didn't abandon his party and cared about them to try and save them.
@@autastic1 You don't blame the rogue? Why exactly? He did even less than the mage. At least the mage cast blizzard to try and help the escape.
Even before Pirate ran off after casting blizzard, yamato did NOTHING, no blind on other mobs or any attempt to stun the boss.
You're actually regarded beyond belief if you seriously don't see the hypocrisy in that. And what you say shows everyone that you just hate the player playing the mage.
Get a life.
everyone could have done better, but asking Pirate to "admit that he make mistakes" simply a way for him to spread out the blame. like like a mob mentality. if everyone screwed up, then no one is at fault. classic case of trying to diminising your own accountability by spreading it out among everyone
Asmon doesn't ragebait. He has big ego and doesn't like conceeding points.
In reality, he probably knows Pirate could've done more, but since that goes against his initial take he won't admit it.
This is the Asmongold combo:
1. After he realizes his initial take was misinformed, he changes his style of argumentation to rely on binary logic because that's the only way he has any chance of being perceived as correct.
2. If he can convince people of some initial propositions, then he can compose those propositions into statements and make people think he's correct. For example: "You said to run!"
Basically he stops engaging with the topic entirely and just tries to win a contrived debate.
I think this is a big reason why Asmon has so many smooth-brain chatters. They can't find any issues with his propositions and believe he's correct most of the time.
He has good takes on things, but social conflict and dynamics ain't one of his specialties.
This is the Asmon combo:
1. I've realized that I am being farmed the whole time
2. Leave crying
3. A new drama/repeat
You winning an argument would be you not clicking on the video in the first place.
@@Win-tq2uf Rogue called run, then second guessed. If he didnt call run they could save at beginning.
sounds like every current politician
Yeah he's a massive fencesitter. The more he knows he's wrong, the longer he talks. 90 minutes of blabbing lol.
HAHAHA somebody’s a little upset 🤣💅
Sounds like everyone in that group didn't know how to play apart from the priest.
Asmonds take is that the druid is 90-100% at fault and he's right tbh. shunting blame onto Pirate is just braindead and shows lack of WoW understanding
If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault.
If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault.
If a DPS dies, it's their own damn fault!
Why would they second guess when the exit is this close?
this exactly, just running would have saved everyone
Yamato is not the sharpest tool in the shed
"2 people died and this is crazy, this is drama apparently"
Well it was big enough for your mate to boot pirate from the guild lol
21:24 no, he said its the druids fault for jumping around randomly and pulling the third group. Yamato has blame for bad calls. Druid tank and mage all could have optimized play, but were not outcome determinative. It was igl making a bad call and tank not understanding social aggro mechanic.
It wouldn't have been a bad call if their frost mage didn't teleport halfway across kalimdor. He knows it's his job to slow, he isn't a day 1 player. He's even talked about how a frost mage's job is to slow mobs to protect his party. He did none of that.
@@autastic1 You ever see Blizzard get cast before? Cause it did happen. They just decided to stand there and not run.
@ he immediately canceled it after one tick. he did nothing with the blizzard besides waste his mana. got no value out of it, but used up his whole mana bar when he could have frost nova'd he could used a rank 1 blizzard. every creator who watched the clip besides asmon (who already decided pirate was in the right before he even watched the clip, if you watch him react to it btw) point out all the bad play, and lying he did.
@@autastic1 You do realize 1 tick is all you need to apply slow right?
@Jxuptosae you can apply the slow with a rank 1. Which takes like 1% of a mana pool, instead of his entire mana pool. He misplayed and wasted his entire mana bar.
Legends say, pirate is still running.
And still oom while still blinking and ice barriering
That mage has the legs of the strongest warrior
And the whole community is crying
If I was Pirate I'd farm the hell out of all these whining mfs lmao
Legends says yamato still standing saying run.
Not many people know more about WoW than Asmongold. He made the best guides for decade.
Everyone can always play better - doesn't mean everyone is equally at fault
Asmon is 100% correct. Because he knows 90% of WoW better than any of these morons that joined for Hardcore. They're playing it because, "Oooh, hard game! Content!" like they did with the Souls games. They join in, and when someone knowledgeable about the game points out what they did wrong, they flame because they can do no wrong in their own eyes. At least with the Souls games, I'd say you don't backseat gamer because, "hey, they wanna experience the game for the first time like others did." But for WoW? HARDCORE WoW? Nah. You either know what you're doing, or you're a detriment.
And clearly, using Blinds on a Boss *IMMUNE* to Blinds shows that you don't know what you're doing.
Yamato is an absolute idiot. Ask RatIRL, he knows full-well how stupid Yamato is. The others were fools as well, and got the healer killed as a result of their brainless behavior. Its plain and simple. Pirate did the right thing in fleeing. And do not bring up his Mana Potions and the like. They would have changed nothing, because the idiots had already gone back in to die. If they had simply committed to running, they'd all have been fine. One of them might've died, but that'd have been better than most of the crew going down.
DO NOT TAKE THE POSITION OF SHOTCALLER IF YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING PERFECTLY. Seriously, that would be a basic idea. I wouldn't entrust my life to some moron who knows the bare minimum about heavy equipment. I'm not gonna trust... Gods, what, 120-200 Hours worth of in-game time? To someone like that, either.
Pirate had no time to take his own faults with Yamato because every time he tried to say anything Yamato just full on attacks him, and the chat hoppers were out in force. This isn't about Pirate admitting faults... it's about yamato wanting it to be all his fault. "This is salvagable" is what got Snupy and Sara killed. By the end of this, when yamato tries to blind the boss, you can see that the trash packs are a football field away... it is only the boss doing all this damage to them and if nobody ever stopped after that blizzard and target dummy. They all would have made it. But they didn't... "this is salvagable".
it WAS salvageable if the mage was there, you seem to neglect that part. acting like he would ever admit fault for anything is hilarious, you must be an actual child.
www.twitch.tv/ahmpy/clip/CrepuscularConfidentKiwiPlanking--kvqQUDo7BKJ47lF
Even the best PVE mage on the server agrees Pirate is wrong. Nobody is blaming Yamato for ego-checking this wise-ass. And Yamato said they all made mistakes and even admits he's a noob that doesn't know what to do. It's the fact Pirate is all talk no action. Trying to attack Yam is like shooting the messenger.
@@pxkdrakethey ass pulled two separate groups and got the healer killed… and Yamato tries to blind the boss… brainless.
shit take buddy
@@pxkdrake But was it? With how bad it got, and how useless everyone else was (After the 'run' call was made, the rogue used zero crowd control and the druid pulled extra, the rogue killed the healer, etc.) I'm not sure he could guarantee everyone lives. He probably could have saved one. I don't think he saves both without the others also playing much better.
Nah asmons right i've been played hardcore wow for a while and the fault was 100% on the tank.
A mage with low mana who started the fight on like 65-70% mana is the issue Pirate had. They weren't respecting the dungeon enough and I mean all of them. They all rushed a bit too much.
And no with a boss that can use charge a mage with no mana is in a very dangerous spot. Think of it like playing Draven with no mana or spinning axes as a darius with mana is chasing you. You wouldn't turn around to basic auto him because that gives him more chances to kill you. You get the fuck out of the stupid situation you put yourself in rather than try to save it and fail.
like say what you will about Asmon. He played this game for 20 years and has credentials to prove it if you look back to when he actually played the game (guides and such that he started his yt channel on). I haven't played any WoW, so his opinion on this carries more weight than mine ever will. From what I can gather, this is what happened.
- Tank began pulling before healer and mage had regenerated their mana
- Druid facepulls 2nd group.
- Tank doesn't pull pack away from the boss walking up the stairs. Boss is pulled.
- Rouge calls to run.
- Druid turns around and tries to fight back
- Mage uses blizzard (a slow iirc) to try and save Druid and tank, but run was called, and they have no mp now. So, they run.
- Druid realizes their mistake and jumps away, face pulling a third pack.
- Healer tries to salvage the situation by trying to save Druid and tank. Sacrifices themself in the process
- Druid also dies.
- Everyone else makes it out.
- Everyone blames the mage
My consensus is this. Rouge is dumb for blaming the mage and going back on a run call in Hardcore (As asmon says, in HC if you hear "run" you gtfo as fast as you can and dont look back), the tank did a fucky wucky pull that shouldn't have ever happened in the first place, and that Druid is just a dumbass. The real victims here were the healer, and the braincells of anyone who thought about this for more than five minutes. The Rouge also tried to blind something that was immune to blind, but I'll be generous and chock that up to panic. But if they could have built combo points or w/e to try and salvage the situation like Asmon says they could have, I'll take his word for it. As I said before, I don't know shit about this game, and he played it for 20 years. His words against mine!
yall scapegoated that man 100%
yamato says everyone plays bad in every game lol just look up his brazil arc with dantes and tarzand... that mf misses a single canon minion and its over for the whole team lmao
Call was made to run so you can never adapt to other calls and developing situation. I mean pirate presents himself as some 140 IQ individual, one would think he could analyze these things while they happen real time.
Yeah its difficult to think straight when you have blitz hooks and pudge hooks coming your way. Totally understandable .... NOT.
Disgusting roach left 2 of them to die.
I don't know mucb about Wow. COuldn't Pirate do the same spell as amphy ? Like the one that put frost on the ground and run + blizzard from far away to slow mobs and still be safe ?
While i agree the call was " Run ", it's obvious that you just look back 2 sec and spamms slow ? That's why i don't really agree with asmon here.
bro I've never played mage and only played warrior up to level 45 in wow HC and even I knew that the mage could easily frost nova/blizzard and safely blink away. he was in no danger and had all the tools to save his teammates. people need to stop talking about the boss which is cc immune. ozzy was on the boss the boss didn't kill the group, it was the other mobs that could've been cced. people claiming that the call was made to run are actual brainded andies. run doesn't mean don't do anything to help and roach out. if you can help without risk to yourself, you help. that is such a dishonest argument. if you use that as an excuse for anything in life, you either get fired or arrested by police. use your brain that supposedly exists. run does not mean don't use any abilities.
@@CSRT123 thats probably why you've never made it to 60.
I'm not some expert WoW player but from what I can gather he could've salvage that. I understand thinking that your work is more important than somebody elses' in terms of hardcore but I think it's still a shitty move to ignore your teammates.
Asmon the ultimate peanut gallery contrarian.
and he's carved out a multi-million career for himself by cultivating an enormous blob of degens just like him who love to hear their strongly held, half-baked opinions get validated
truly inspirational
With zero real teeth
he needs to stfu and get back to his video games, hes been smelling his own farts to much lately.
i guess its easier to rake in cash by saying the most banale shit about cookie cutter topics all day.
@@rogerfederer3817 and hair and muscle
Why the Asmon hate? I thought he was a wholesome figure in the community
Yamato wasnt even focusing the Skull ... USELESS ROGUE
Ikr and then he tries to blind the boss lmao
He didn't do anything, he just watched and kept distance
@@badauthor6682 Not just that, he then claimed to T1 that he personally saved the tank xD totally ignoring the healers sacrifice. Truth is more towards Asmons PoV honestly - a series of bad calls by the tank and mainly by the druid (who caused both of the extra aggros). Rogue needs to shut up too, because he could have stealth scouted over the ledge and see that the boss is coming on a patrol and warned the tank. And Pirate did admit they all made mistakes, which is already enough. Yamato is just trying to divide the guilt equally like an idiot, anyone with an ounce of self-respect would ignore him. The "they they they" approach by Pirate is correct. He didn't make a single bad call leading to the situation, they did, he only made bad calls later. Healer probably sees it the same way but stays out of it, otherwise he would get blamed too xD I say that as a healer.
was gonna say that exact thing, skull marked mob remained alive the whole time on 5% hp because this random rogue decided to focus a hyena
@@Oumegi yamato is 100% delusional, regardless of what he plays.
when he listed mistakes he had many pooints each player could have played better, when he listed his own "mistakes" he said "maybe i could have used cc on the ogres ig" before immediately saying it was pirates job to begin with
Asmon is right and Pirate are right and it's making people mad
Pirate using a quarter of his mana on 1 blizzard tick then complaining he has no mana while holding on to a mana gem. Crazy work
he used it for slow so everyone can get away, didnt work. What do you expect for him to do ? blizzard the boss to death ?
The tank pulling the pack + a boss was some crazy work.
@@vio-tu-dum-du-tum Use rank 1 Blizzard?
Mana gem, robe and a pot
Not his job to save the group. T1 sums it up perfectly @10:58
Edit 3 days later: Iv changed my opinion after hearing him talk himself up about being a god tier mage. If you're going to brag about playing a mage because you can save people, but then roach out like this, you're just a bad player. I didnt take into account this is a guild run, not a pug with random ppl. If this was random ppl, 100% roach out, but a guild group with basically your coworkers, thats scummy.
@0:46 "no he's not" yes tyler, most bosses are immune to disorients, roots, slows and stuns which includes blind 🤣🤣🤣
He wasn't saying the boss isn't immune, he was saying "no he's not [good at wow]" reading chat
He was reading chat ret4d
If you say run i will run every time. Ive played enough to know.
Asmon isn't rage baiting, he's being 100% serious.
Yamato acting like he is doing anything, literally spectating from 2 screens away azwell casted nothing did nothing.
Pirate did the equivalent of vanish/hearthing right at the start. Yamato sucks at the game but he stuck with the team to the last second. Pirate at the very least could have dropped one more blizzard at the portal instead of bailing incredibly early.
I never expected to see Asmongold and Yamaldo fighting let alone having Tyler react to it.
I get that Pirate played kinda shit there not using his actives to try and peel but the tanking here was ATROCIOUS!!! Why is it, “you could’ve helped us salvage this” and not, “why did our tank just pull the entire fucking instance”
The focus is only on him because he isn’t taking accountability and Asmon is doing tricks on it. Everyone there did something fucked.
theyve already said they all messed up
@@SplFEEDit probably because 80% of the fault was clearly on one person and it wasnt Pirate so he isn't going to tank the blame. And that's coming from someone who dislikes pirate.
It hurts my eyes looking at it because i am a main tank :D Absolutely agree to you
@@SplFEEDit because when person wgo made 80% error trying to shift blame to somebody else like its equal mistakes - people aint buying it
tyler's take on this would be completely different if his healers just ran away instead of dying for him
asmon is very biased because he respects pirate but i guarantee if roles reversed he would find every single minmax mistake with pirates play and said he could have done much more
Nah Asmongold doesn't take side, Yamato was dumb. The first call was to run, and he made another call to salvage it which killed the priest.
so fucking true, he's such double-face
@@taleofsonata1 You literally saw him take sides in the vid that you commented on bro wtf. If it was any random person on that mage he would be yelling roach out
Yeah, Asmon has always done this.
@@taleofsonata1 that's just wrong
Piratesoftware is in the right. They said run, so he prioritized getting out. He turned around once to blizzard and gave his team some breathing room. The boss was immune to slow. The second time, he turns to see where his team was and possible get ready to do another blizzard, but they end up making the decision to now stand their ground a little. The reason ppl died was because they changed course from running to fighting. They would have been fine if they stayed running. Asmongold is right. If i hear someone make the call to run, I'm using all my movement increase abilities to gtfo. I might try to drop a dummy to buy everyone a second or two, but at that point, I'm gone.
Also, looking at yamato's POV, the rogue, druid, and priest were a decent distance away from the mobs and in front of the warrior. If the druid and priest just sent hots and shields to the tank, and maybe ask pirate to through one more blizzard to ensure the little adds dont touch the tank. That would have been the call on top of running, but they didn't. They called to stand their ground, and the priest got too much healer aggro and died. That left the warrior open to be the next victim because the other two guys have dash/sprint to get away.
LOL 1 tick of blizzard before roaching yeah wow he helped them so much. Pirate is a dogshit mage with a god complex bro just admit it.
www.twitch.tv/ahmpy/clip/BrightHardKumquatHoneyBadger-swVZNmeBDnN6siaM
Here's the best PVE mage on the server explaining how to actually save a group and that Pirate sucks.
Wrong. He is "elite" wow player, he can't stop telling us. He knew his job was CC and he just ran like a NPC.
@@cDgTylerDurden Thors history is mostly as shot caller himself, as far ass I understand. And largely from eve. his entire history is "shot callers word is law because it's better to work together even on a bad call". He did his job and then ran. He may have done his job more if the rest were behind him, but they were not, they stopped to fight instead. They should have let the tank do his job and tank while the rest escape. It was too late to safely save the tank but they called for it anyways, and in doing so lost both the healer and the druid, instead of the tank. Thor could have absolutely done better, but he did not do anything wrong, he just did the right stuff poorly (such as max bliz instead of rank 1 bliz)
the funny thing is Yam did less to help than Pirate. IMO he is the roach. He did absolutely nothing but watched at least Pirate Blizzed. Yam even got the Priest killed with his shit calls. Watched, sprinted then tried to blind the boss at the very end. Literally a roach that just stuck around to watch them die an get them killed
People seem to be conveniently glossing over the fact that a rogue with vanish is just a roach in waiting. Yamato had just as many of not more tools to help the group survive yet he didn't use a single one, basically stood around until he sprinted out and acted like he did something and pirate did nothing. They both didn't do shit but at least pirate isn't attacking the others for it.
true he could have blinded the mob that was on the priest and gouged another, used evasion and stunlocked another mob, his sticky glue was also up, he also had vanish.. he could have done so much to save the group so he can't really complain about pirate, he roached out as well.
@@rivas623 exactly all the hate pirate is getting should be equal for Yam. Imo none should get this much hate
@@rivas623 Yep, that's why this is drama. The tank messed up, the druid messed up, then they called run, then Yamato messed up and got the healer killed. Pirate listened to the calls from multiple people saying run, and it's somehow entirely his fault for not fixing every mistake caused by the rest of his team - who continued to cause more problems, like the druid pulling, and Yamato not using any crowd control. Eventually they did all settle and say 'we could all play better', but that is NOT the angle this started with. Yamato HARD blamed Pirate, TH-cam and Reddit are exploding on Pirate for being bad, and Pirate is simply not going to take all the blame for everyone else messing up. If they didn't open the conversation with "fuck Thor", maybe he'd agree that he could have done more and taken the accountability.
The only thing Yamato did was call run and salvageable, both wrong calls at the worst times, he got them killed all on his own.
Pirate made 1 mistake, he didn't drop group, horrible pull they all should've ran immediately. Left group and auto hearth out.
sounds like he just needs to drop from this entire toxic ass group.
This is why no one likes WOW players. Seeing them make mistakes and die is the whole point of hardcore, yet some people seem genuinely offended, and theyre not even right. Who screwed up prior to them running? Dont blame the rescue team, that's pretty stupid. That wasnt an attitude from pirate, that was genuine offense to some guy trying to pin the whole thing on him. Yamato had an attitude by throwing around blame while his team was dying.
Seeing yamato the little rat seething gives me life.
big rat was out of dungeon in 3 blinks
it was a rat fighting another rat over a rat being a rat
I was originally thinking this was 90% on the tank for the bad pull but honestly if you're the raid leader you gotta tell the tank to pull the mobs back before you pull the boss. The fact that they allowed him to tank the mobs on the ramp as long as he did before calling it out is inexcusable for the raid leader. Those deaths wouldn't have happened if he told them to pull the mobs back right away. Asmon is right, there's nothing Pirate could have done to salvage the situation. So realistically it was 40% tank 60% raid leader for those deaths. The tank should have taken the fall and everyone else would have gotten out fine.
while the things that happened in game were the whole party's fault, all of the drama is yamatos fault. he is the one who went on the offensive against pirate before the situation was even done, forcing pirate to go on the defensive. and then when pirate showed up to talk yamato talked over him and refused to let him speak. yamato *always* talks over people and doesnt let them talk. he did it to asmon here as well even interrupting him as he was explaining. yamato is responsible for all of the fallout of this stupid drama and for the stuff his community has done to pirate since.
Asmons video was the best thing to come out of this, it was so funny to watch.
80 IQ WOW PLAYERS
All WoW players are double-digits.
@@DyceFreak better than single digit league players hardstuck in silver ngl
@@imyournme6632 Nah WOW players are definitely on the intelligence level of a cow possibly even lower. Actually I might be insulting cows at this point
80 is too high for asmongold
Sodapoppin is probably 70.
Asmon is probably 82 which is right at the cutoff
Trying to watch the video but asmongold makes it completely insufferable to listen to. All i know is that kassadin saves everyone there!
What did you expect from a guy who doesn't shower
"Most of the people you play with dont understand game mechanics, not looking to be team players , not looking to accurately evaluate a situation. "
He basically called Thor a roach. Based from Asmon.
Kassadin LOL
Hes farming views and engagement and you fell right into the trap. He is the king of saying something slightly unpopular or polarizing, get tons of ragebait, people type message like "Asmongold makes this video completely insufferable to listen too!!" That boosts the engagement, boosts the channel, equals more eyes, equals more money!
@@Buggabones this is a tyler1 clip channel tho, im not giving that ogre asmon any views. Youre right, hes just ragebaiting, doesnt mean its not cringe tho, personally i take solace in the fact that asmongolds living habits mean he will not be able to express his opinion on the internet in a few years
Yamato failed this one and wants to blame everyone else for the failing. I used to be in top tier raiding guilds across numerous MMOs and have found guys like this are a dime a dozen and every guild has at least one.
Asmongold is 100% right. I don't play WoW, but in any game ever, if your leader tells you to run, your resources go into running, with turning around to save your team if you can exactly like Thor did. I can't see how anyone is upset at Thor any more than the rest of the party, as they made far worse mistakes here.
Asmon the first gamer to get CTE
8:54 Long-Story short from this drama, you are welcome