@@flight2k5yep....I had the first model year....I was so scared of some of the issues I had the 4x4 5.7 so double whammy in the QC issues, I sold it for what I bought it for...family said I was dumb....the guy that bought it tried to flip it, like 2 months later it had tons of issues and that flipper got burnt, so no remorse for him. I told him the 4x4 was having issies but he never told the next buyer that and when it went out they had it out 😂
@@flight2k5 it's almost like Toyota is just as susceptible to the same growing pains as literally any other manufacturer, it's just that Toyota is much slower to adopt new technology.
North Park Toyota in San Antonio is a dishonest con shop. I stupidly traded in my 2018 Tundra for a 2023 Tundra with defective brakes and air conditioning. They were so desperate to sell it to me, they delivered it to my house and tried to force me to sign an "As Is" clause even with a manufacturer's warranty. First they lied and said the brakes were new so the squealing was normal. Then they admitted that the brakes were a "known issue." I brought the Tundra in a couple of times, they wouldn't do anything. The tech offered to resurface the rotors for a fee (it's under warranty). Wow, they don't even try to address the issue for free). Toyota does not care about you. If you live in Texas, stay away from Toyota. If you live in San Antonio, especially STAY AWAY FROM NORTH PARK TOYOTA. STAY AWAY FROM ALL TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS IN SAN ANTONIO.
@@garrettcasper338 That average is all you’re gonna get because all the good techs worth their salt are gonna flee that Toyota dealer because of this recall bs. It will take years for this to resolve itself and there’s no point on losing your ass repairing these lemons for half price.
Toyota's looking at a huge financial hit to fix these engines. $30K /truck for new short blocks and 100 thousand trucks potentially. $3 billion hit if they all need the full repair. This is most likely a design issue, not from engine debris.
There is retail pricing on engines from Toyota dealers...which no one ever buys, Then there is Toyota's cost to build a short block. Their cost to actually build the engine themselves is remarkably low. Even with paying dealers the 30% mark up for warranty, the cost wouldn't be anywhere near 30k. I clearly remember 3.0 V6 blocks stacked up to the ceiling at our store back in the day. This has happened in the past and will happen again. Just a small hiccup
Almost. You can find an article written in 2015 called "Atkinson Variable Displacement V8 Coming to Tundra". Either the emissions from that engine were still too high or the reliability wasn't there so Plan B was the turbo V6.
I have been a Toyota tech since 2010 and have had one 5.7 with a broken valve spring. The 4.7, 5.7, and 4.0 v6 have been, for the most part, bulletproof. We had a 21 tundra with 5k with a spun main bearing. I am not looking forward to the rightfully angry customers and making pennies under warranty to fix Toyota's production issues.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 thats called poor craftsmanship. Anyone who works on someone elses property should treat each repair the same. a rush job will show, its embarrassing. Do it right the first time. I get the money issue but that is literally what they signed up for. Imagine an electrician is hired in your house to do a few things, not making much $. would you want him to "hurry up" bc he is not making top dollar?
Kirk, I don't judge Toyota against perfection, I judge them against every other car company and they consistently come out on top. The 'legendary' 5.7 V8 also had a number of well document issues in its early days but eventually it found its way to the top of the reliability charts. A recall means Toyota pays the repair bill not the consumer. Expect extended warranties to follow.
This twin turbo engine is already 6 years old it came out early 2018 and it’s still having issues. Lexus models with this engine are also having the exact same problems. I love Toyota but it’s time to admit they are cost cutting just like all big companies.
@@andrewgus8763 This engine was installed on the LS500. And the engine in LS500 is not 100% the same. Still almost no one had problems in LS500. And that is not cost cutting. How do you know this is cost cutting? Back in time they also had engines with some problems and those problems were resolved. And by the way, every car company is cost cutting. Because that's normal. Or do you want every car to cost like a Rolls (that still has a lot of technical problems) ?
I believe both Tacoma and Tundra engines are built at their Alabama plant. This is unfortunate but I believe they will rectify. I am an owner of a 5.7 Tundra. I’ve never had issues. But, the 4.6 and 5.7 had their issues. Dropping valves, AIP failures, valley plate leaks, cam tower leaks, horrible starter placement etc. Not defending nor praising the new motor. But, this is where we are at and believe Toyota will do what it takes to rectify the issues. In the end nothing is bulletproof.
I don’t think that this a major issue in the bigger scheme of things. Toyota has proved that they refine their engines and take issues with them seriously. This will be fixed.
Likely debris makes it worse. And is a great way to say "we fixed it " without going into detail on all of the problems with V6TT. So glad I went with a supercharged V8 TRX instead of this POC.
I doubt that debris has anything to do with the failures. The main bearings are failing probably due to the new bearing cradle they started using with these engines. The #1 bearing right at the front of the crank is failing as it overheats and the bearing turns. This actually looks like a design fault which for legal reasons they will not ever admit to a design fault.
I’ll be curious to see how it’s fixed and when it’s implement into the production line. Bad thing is, we won’t know if it’s actually fixed for a couple more years like when we started seeing more and more engine failures. It makes me wonder if 5w30 would potentially decrease the probability of this happening as well.
Never trade in your car if it's over 100000 miles and running good. Most likely it has a lot more to offer you. New ones as we can see might not even hit 10000 miles. lol
The "new" turbo V6 in the Tundra isn't new. It's been used in the Lexus LS500 since they came out with that. Idk what happen with the Tundra engines that are having issues, but it's not the engines fault. Seems like an assembly building issue.
It’s not a new engine but it is new in a truck platform where owners typically use it for hauling ppl/things. Completely different use case than a sedan.
This is not accurate. This engine had issues ever since it got introduced in 2018. Go to the Lexus forums and you will find several threads of LS500 with blown engines. The threads go back to 2019. The LS500 isn't as mass produced so naturally you're going to see a lot less info online about failures. This engine was never ready for prime time.
If it was debris in the engine it would affect more than just the main bearing (where the failures are happening from what I’ve read). All of the crank bearings would be toasted as well as cylinder walls etc. I personally think it’s a design issue but they didn’t ask me. 🤷♂️
Ford has v6 twin turbo in the raptor didn’t have problems like Toyota having. And Toyota has a reliable v6 the 2 G the v6 in the Camry’s no spun bearing very smooth engine loves to rev even lotus is using that engine with a supercharger. Lot people are thinking it’s the ladder style main caps are causing the problem it’s more than debris these engines are spinning bearings. Toyota should give truck buyers more engine options like Chevy doing in the Silverado you can get smaller turbo and diesel engines and 2 v8 the old reliable 5.3 LS1 or the big boy 6.2 Toyota going to lose lots of truck customers because of this. This is a $75,000 dollar truck that’s lot of money for most people for something that going break down all the time.
5.3 and 6.2 are LT engines, but even with DoD are more reliable than the Tundra V6. Only people with failed LT engines will complain (mostly due to bad maintenance), those who are happy will not.
We have 2.7 , 3.5 Ecoboost options and the mighty coyote. I just run V8s. I build these engines for racing and the ford modular V8 is a very reliable platform. As a builder im thinking this new V6 probably has bad main caps or bad webbing that is causing crank walk and its probably scrubbing the main bearings until they spin.
Kirk, thanks for keeping it real unlike some other TH-camrs right now which act like nothing is wrong at Toyota and try to justify the crazy high new prices too.
There is nothing crazy about the prices of the new Tacoma or upcoming 4 runner. For internet keyword warrior enthusiasts like you everthing is expensive.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI LOL. So you see nothing wrong with the Tacoma and 4Runner TRD Pro going up in price by nearly $15,000 in one year? Okay. I’ll be keeping my 2023 TRD Pro.
@@rmoore07 new Tacoma and 4 runner has up to date interior design exterior design comfort tech features power performance torque and more. So obviously it's going to be more expensive. New 4 runner and Tacoma is very much in line with its rivals. So please keep whatever you want but don't complain about prices just because you enthusiast are whining keyboard warriors.🤫
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI The new Tacoma is overpriced, period. The Colorado ZR2 is about $53k with a few options and the Ranger Raptor comes pretty much loaded at $58k. Unlike the Tacoma TRD Pro at $65k, both those trucks also include a front locker, and in the case of the Raptor, a turbo V6. “But what about reliability?” We have no idea right now. It sure isn’t working out too well for Tundra owners, we know that much.
@@rmoore07 New Turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 are excellent engines. tundra and Tacoma Are two different vehicles 😂. Tacoma will not have any issues whatsoever. This is just a tundra matter so stop attacking a perfectly fine class leading vehicle. 🤣
I’ve got a ‘20 LS 500 F-Sport w/ 32K on it - get 20mpg around town, 24 on the hwy. Very smooth running and responsive engine. Dealer serviced, I’ve never had an issue, love the car!
These are made by humans and you’re expecting perfection? This is just the way production is. Toyota is doing something about it which is an excellent start!
From Mopar techs, the hurricane I6 is a dumpster fire as well. The wagoneer body has to come off for major work. It's not machining debris. It's differential expansion between the iron and aluminum.
Ahmed Car Care Nut mentioned in one of his videos that the old Toyota engines that people praise so much also had problems in the beginning so these things happen and Toyota irons them out.
LX600s have the same issue and they are made in their Yoshiwara factory in Japan! reports from Middle East also include LC300s having the same issue. Sounding more like a design flaw.
New Tacoma and 4 runner has a more than fine turbo I4/turbo I4 hybrid engines. Just because the tundra has issues don't mean every other turbo engine Toyota makes is bad. If anything I believe Toyota would have very used the learned lessons from this tundra sage to make sure Tacoma won't have the same issues. So stop attacking a perfectly fine vehicle like Tacoma which does not have issues. I know the comment section has become place for people overreacting and acting it's end of the world but come on.🤦.
The T24A-FTS has been in use since 22 model year in the NX 350, and 23 RX 350, RX 500h largely without issue. It’s also used in the Highlander, Grand Highlander, Crown, Land Cruiser, TX 350, TX 500h. I’ve seen them as high as 90k miles without fault.
Reminds me of back in my day of Engineering in a new truck frame tube mill plant. There were 275k pre-hydro formed tubes rejected by GM for length variations. We found that the new employee at the tube cutoff decided to shutoff the auto air blast after each cut because it was annoying. So after each cut the debris buildup created each successive tube to be cut slightly 'shorter'.
I like that they are calling the engines back for replacement, unlike Hyundai / Kia that did everything they could to duck out of responsibility for their Theta II GDI engines.
It doesn't take much debris, a thimble full in a main oil galley and that bearing is going to fail big time and maybe take some others with it as it shrapnels out.
This seems more and more common with new engine designs, remember Honda's DI 1.5 Turbo oil dilution. I wish this wasn't the case but better a recall and recognization from Toyota than nothing.
It’s on the short block portion of the engine. The bottom of that short block is a one piece design that holds all the main bearings on the crankshaft and the portion on front main bearings is not structurally sound. Hence why it doesn’t matter where the engine was made.
I traded my 23 tundra platinum a few weeks ago. Only had 20k miles. Interior, doors, and windows rattled. Ride was horrible. 17mpg at best. I consider myself lucky to have lost a little bit of money. Owners are going to take huge losses. Sad.
Change the oil after first 500 miles and every 5k miles, old school problem needs old school solution. Ask 90s Honda. That is if you can believe it is machining debris.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota is testing something like that. Change oil during the PDI and recommend another oil change in 500 miles, then resume regular OCI’s. Problem is, there are people who have done their first oil change at 500 or 1000 miles followed by 5k OCI’s afterward that have had engine failures. Heck there are some that have had 2 engine failures, though I think that may be the fault of the technician not flushing/cleaning or replacing all the parts that need to be.
@@TheBandit7613 That is an outdated over generalization to say any turbo engine needs a 3k oil change. The manufacturer recommends 10k so 5k is plenty conservative. I’ve been replacing my wife’s VW with a turbo at 10k miles or 1 year and it hasn’t blown apart (80k miles now).
I’m not too surprised. A new powertrain will always have teething issues, and Toyota isn’t immune to that. I’m sure it will eventually become a reliable engine in the future as they refine it.
@@747-pilot for gods sakes. Recalls can happen and so called legendary v8s from Toyota had multiple issues.but overtime they fixed that. Same here they will fix it. Why people like you always overreacting how about for a change claim down plus stop posting bs comments. You enthusiast are something very special.😒🤦😒🤦
@@flight2k5 cool story bro… not sure what this has to do with bearings. This ain’t a machining issues it’s a design flaw … and the fact Toyota is using a girdle design with the caps attached , this will warrant for a full bottom end redesign which isn’t a easy fix as changing valve retainers.
@@emadalruwishan8305 if you ever built engines , you will know that debris of the magnitude to starve a hearing of oil or log itself in areas of such small tolerances would cause the failure before your first oil change … guys are seeing these engines fail past 30k miles … one of my friends had his lx500 with 40k miles and his engine failed… we also know of guys gone through two engine replacements where they sent them a brand new short block that was cleaned thoroughly.
The 2nd gen tundra ate up camshafts when it came out at first. They fixed that and the engine was legendary after that. So…let’s all just calm TF down for a second.
I told everyone this would happen when the day they announced the axing of the V8 for twin turbo V6’s. Twin Turbo V6’s are NOT new technology, so there is no excuses from Toyota. They should give everyone who had an engine failure (and there’s a LOT) lifetime warranties for their aggravation they’ve endured. This is $30,000 fix regardless of who is picking up the bill.
:( I'm on a GX550 waiting list, but I'm now considering, if my name comes up, passing on it or getting off the list entirely until more info comes out. I'm also on a '25 4Runner TRD Pro list and, so far, feeling more comfortable with the 4Runner as my potential next vehicle.
@@donaltemus3565 🙄 new turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 in the new Tacoma/4 runner/ land cruiser are more than fine engines. So please stop creating unnecessary drama about perfectly fine vehicles and engines.
@@donaltemus3565 new turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 are excellent engines with more than fine reliability. Yes tundra has a issue sure but it has nothing to with the Tacoma because they are different vehicles. People like you will always complain and be very special yet pathetic
At least Toyota is trying to get ahead of the problem. If this were Ford, GM or Stelantis they would have denied a problem ever existed. Or worse blame the customer.
That's not true because ford gm and stelantis aren't having mass catastrophic engine failures inside of the warranty period like toyota is. This is a widespread major problem there was no avoiding this. At the moment we got a 2018 toyota and a 2013 f150 and the toyota has been recalled and in the shop more with less than half the miles and not worked near as hard. In my experience toyota hasn't lived up to the internet hype at all.
Toyota’s issues started after Covid. We bought a V6 Highlander back in 2019 when all of their medium-large vehicles were still V6 or V8. They had no turbo motors out then. They were the number 1 automaker in the world and the largest back in the time.
This is bearing failure. Probably from oil starvation. Debris in the crank journals or oiling pathways can't be fixed. The engine is damaged the instant you run it. Subaru had an issue with the sealant machine oversealing oil pans and causing sealant to clog the oil pickup tubes, causing engine destruction.
One single head, cylinder bank, seals. There’s a lot of advantages with the inline 6, only drawback is the length of the block in a line is harder to package in the engine bay. I loved my old bmw inline 6. Really sounded great at high revs.
i don’t think this is something to get worked up over. 2nd gen tundra had issues early on too. hopefully owners aren’t put out of their way too much. can’t wait to see the resolution the world class engineering team at toyota comes up with.
Having driven the twin turbo v6 and now, just today, driving the v8 ls460 i gotta say the 80k Mile ten year old v8 is so much smoother than the new ttv6 ones. Sad to see it go
@@jxmar_ KRIK is a bit funky These days and now a days he misread a lot like In the last sales video about Lexus.😞🤦. This comment section is now a place for fu***** ignorant hardcore enthusiasts who Post crazy comments with pure nonsense. Sorry for my language but KRIK has allowed this to happen.😒
Yeah it still needs to get worked out. People seem to not remember or didn’t know that the V8 had some serious problems early on. This was in a Lexus but it’s not exactly the same. I’m sure within another year or two they will be solid power trains.
Because of the government policy and new polution law, will make this cars company to keep doing smaller engine that will fail faster than N/A V6 and V8
THIS IS TOTALLY A CONSEQUENCE OF TOYOTA CHANGING THEIR ENGINES TO ACCOMODATE FUEL EFFICIENCY. WHICH IS STUPID NOT TO GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS. If you're buying a tundra you are not focused on gas mileage. You are focused on having a utility vehicle that is going to do work for you. Sedans, minivans and some SUVs like RAV 4 in Highlander should focus better gas mileage. Maybe even Tacomas Tundras, 4Runners, land cruisers should keep the same V8s, V6s, no turbos. Keep what is going well and what makes the toyota indestructible for years... That is not to say Toyota shouldn't try new things, they should just keep what is working well and introduce new options and phase the old engines out slowly if at all... I have a 2024 TOYOTA that is not involved in this recall, but I've been getting oil changes at Toyota every 3000 miles for now just to make sure that metal engine debris that has been left over from Manufacturing has all been take a out
Womp womp.😂Toyota is gonna perfect it, and 10yrs from now you guys would be like “Toyota V6 turbos were reliable, what’s it with this new turbo 4 cyl?”😂
Recalls happen and even so called legendary v8s had issues when they first came out. End of the day Toyota fixed the issues and then become so called legendary. But hey people are acting like it's the first time.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vIThat’s the problem. They nitpick the reliable Toyota’s from the past then compare that with the new technology model Toyota has now. There’s plenty of reliable Toyota examples here and now, for example the RAV4, Camry, Corolla, and Highlander. Like you said, Toyota’s past engines had issues when they first came out too. People are so gullible.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vIYeah. But I gotta admit it’s fun battling it out here in the comments section. It makes the channel lively, and we meet the same peers and enemies all the time. Some are even infamous and their names are engraved into the community here. (Like Naveenthemachine) It’s fcking bonkers and I kind of like that. Kirk has the most diverse and sometimes violent community to be proud of.😂😂😂
@@mrgurulittle7000 you are right My friend. 💯. It is fun and people like naveen have gone cuckoo combined that with his ignorance. He is something very special and pathetic.👍
So they had this same engine in a Lexus car years ago before the 22 tundra came out, they had plenty of time to perfect it but instead they gambled and put it in the tundra? Smh, I can’t believe I’m gonna be saying “remember when Toyotas used to be reliable?”
Here's the process of the recall solution I foresee based on how other similar recalls occur. The impacted vehicles within the recall's scope will be brought in, and they will scope the engine to look for signs of debris damage (look at the cylinder walls, look for bearing damage, etc.). Those that show damage will win the "you get a new short block" lottery, and the others will not. Most likely, they will also offer an extension of the power train warranty (guessing it will be out to at least 10 yr/100k miles). My guess is that the scope will expand to 2024 models as well. Toyota is a conservative company (as in cautious of its reputation, not political views for the keyboard warriors), and it will need to assure its customers that it has done the right thing for them. Toyota's approach to handling recalls, as seen in past instances like the frame issues, is a testament to their commitment to doing the right thing for their customers. While their initial response may seem slow, it's important to understand that this is not due to negligence, but a result of their thorough investigation process to ensure the correct solution is implemented. While I've been disappointed in Toyota recently over their pricing increases for the new Tacoma, the use of more plastics in the interiors (some say more rugged, I say to save cost), and other decisions they have made lately, I still believe Toyota wants to do right by the quality of their vehicles and their customers regarding the engineering of the vehicles.
I don't see the inline six happening because the V-6 is used many different platforms. I agree, inherently, a straight six is much smoother. Doing the balance diagram in my dynamics class in college proved this out. However, the V-6 offers packaging advantages over an inline engine due to the additional length of the straight six. But I do believe Toyota will get this issue resolved for the better.
I am a lifelong gearhead and a former long haul trucker. I remember being surprised when one by one American manufacturers discontinued the inline sixes. In heavy trucks there have been several forays into V configuration diesels but the overwhelming engine is the inline six. There must be a reason!
Eh, they will get better in time. I remember when everyone was afraid of 4 and 6 cylinder na engines…..”they won’t last”. Well, they are reliable and they do last a good while and powerful to boot. Compare a 4 cylinder today compared to an 1980s v8. I’ll take the 4 any day. This does depend on brand, not saying that there aren’t 4 and 6 crap engines out there, but there are good ones and I don’t think Toyota will tolerate crap engine in the long run.
One of the reasons that companies going away from the inline 6 was the crash requirement. They need more frontal crumple zone . Now they are smarter and maybe the inline 6 can make a come back
We are the funniest thing. A lot of people say oh it’s a lot of recalls, but you know it’s so funny. It’s for free. You don’t have to pay anything in the funniest thing. American cars are even worse.
Any car company that is recalling THE ENGINE has QUALITY ASSURANCE problems. The head of the QA Department in the Toyota Texas Factory should be fired! But how does this problem get duplicated in other factories especially the one in Japan??? The factory skipped several steps in the Assembly of these engines. That is the only way that several factories in different countries are coming up with the same issue. Maybe Toyota rolled these cars out too soon without testing the engines for a longer period of time. The debris didn't cause problems with the engine initially and maybe that's how quality assurance missed it... still it's a HUGE problem. Even after they switch out the engine, I personally wouldn't want a Tundra that has gone through that. I would rather swap it out for a newer Tundra with the brand new engine and pay for the difference in miles, but knowing Toyota you would be paying more in the long run.
The UR had it's fair share of issues when it first came out and Toyota took care of their customers. The new engines have issues and Toyota is taking care of their customers. Relax everyone.
The UR's had fixes, Toyota hasn't announced fixes for the V35A. Toyota won't even tell us reassuring things like "owner X now has 250,000 troublefree miles on his 2022 Tundra V35A which shows the engine doesn't have a fundamental design defect."
@@4af all the more reason to relax. When the UR issues came up Toyota took proper time to assess the situation and took care of their customers. Same thing happened with the massive rust recall on truck frames and the oil burn recall on the 2AR engines. Take a breath dude.
@@PatBlackJR 100,000 engines to replace (final figure might be be 200,000) times $20,000 each to replace them (materials & labor) = TWO BILLION DOLLARS. 100,000 engines to replace divided by 1,500 dealers = 66 engine replacements per dealer.
Hi Kirk, I’m an electrical engineer that works on the power distribution for these automotive plants. The actual layout and production line is actually dictated by the process engineers. Sometimes this is internal to the manufacturing company, but it is mostly contracted out to a process design firm from what I have experienced so far. (i.e. American car company contracting the process design from a Korean company). Looks like the process engineers might have overlooked a step in their process line that would have cleaned any internal machining debris. And I would they they are the ones to revisit the drawing board to find a step they need to add to fix this. Thus, an expensive change at the manufacturing building’s process line.
Stated issues seem to be from manufacturing problems and not TTV6 vs V8? Would anyone know what the reliability/recalls were back in the day when these V8s were introduced?
Even so called legendary 5.7 had massive recalls just like the new TT V6. Toyota much solved the issues as time went on. So this issue will also get solved
@@hamzabinwaheed people who you see here are keyword warriors or hardcore enthusiasts. So please don't take their comments seriously brother. Fact is the new TWIN Turbo V6 is better than the v8 . Recalls like this will happen and issues get solved overtime. This outrageous comments happen whenever a new gen product comes out
@@hamzabinwaheed best example is now some ultra foolish enthusiasts trying to attack the Tacoma which has a very good turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 engine. Fact is brother people will always complain whenever there is new technology or engines.
I have my Nissan Titan with its most amazing Endurance V-8, 180,000 miles zero issues. Use it for camping and towing my boat. My daily driver is a 23' Honda Ridgeline with hands down one of the best V-6 on the entire market. My only problem is I keep getting pulled over for speeding. Its so fast and so smooth you just don't realize how fast your going. I had a turbo vehicle once....couldn't keep it out of the shop. No thanks.
Listen everyone. If you want reliable engines again, STOP VOTING FOR EMISSIONS REGULATIONS!!! We've hit the damn limit of our technology and need a break! Give the industry a decade before we start up on emissions again! We've been making gains on emissions since the 90's. The industry needs a damn break!!
This is very sad. I had a 2002 Tundra and I loved it. But I had to trade it in because I couldn’t afford filling up every other day where I used to live. That truck was awesome.
Yes, even though this involves not only Alabama produced engines but Japanese produced engines. The issue is not unique to one plant because they both use the very same machinery and the same automated process to clean swarf from the blocks post machining.
Toyota doesn't know how to design/build a great I6 engine. WTF are you talking about!?!? Toyota knows how to pay Yamaha and BMW for a straight 6. Even if Toyota did build the 2JZ, they sure as chit didn't design it, and a 2JZ is not a truck engine either. You're just fanning out over an engine configuration that you're bias to, and yeah that's exactly what you're doing. I understand perfectly, as I went through the same thing when Ford started forcing EB on F150. Look, the V6 configuration makes sense. V6's are way easier to house in an engine compartment than a I6. 60* V6's are in general very refined, smooth, and reliable engines due to a firing order that makes them balance themselves very well. This particular V6 is just flawed in its main cap design that houses the crank in the engine block. I mean WhyTF would we want to go with the reliable, traditional, deep skirt/6 bolt main setup that everyones been using for the past 25-30+ years when we can develop some funky, one piece girdle to house the crank, in one of our most important engines, and hope it doesn't end up being an issue down the road? This is kind of like reinventing the wheel. This engine isn't having issues because V6's just can't support decent HP, or handle being boosted. It's a design flaw in this particular engine. WTF are you doing Toyota? It's not like you to take such risks on such an important product for you. If Toyota can make this engine become reliable it actually makes a whole lot of sense for their lineup, and the image they like to push as a company.
The "new" Tundra is an unmitigated and inexcusable disaster for Toyota. It's almost like they hired engineers from Boeing and turned them loose. Tundra owners were willing to put up with all the deficiencies of the previous model because they simply never broke. And they've thrown that legacy completely away. And what's worse, they have NO answers. No matter the cost, if the Tundra is going to survive in the American market they have to gather up the best people they have and redesign this power plant and address all the other interior and fitment issues that these trucks still have 3 years later. I'd rather see them scrap this entire rig, stay out of the truck market for 2 years, or however long it takes, and bring back a better looking, better made truck with a turbo straight six, and a normally aspirated hybrid truck that will last for 300k.
I have a ‘23 Tundra TRD OFF-ROAD 4x4 4-door with 23k miles. Absolutely no issues and just like every new generation of anything, will be met with resistance by a certain percentage of people in love (well-deserved) with the predecessor. In general, humans are hesitant to change. However, change or evolution is great in terms of improvement and benefit to mankind. My truck is an absolute BEAST wielding incredible power and torque from be new V6 Twin-Turbo. The great news about Toyota is that they’re number-one in the world, as far as I know, and will take care of its customers and consequently its reputation; for the greater good. My truck is FAST and will pass 80-90% of ALL cars on the freeways with the press of the gas pedal. The 10-speed transmission is what these trucks, including the Tacoma (i had a ‘17 and ‘19) needed to stay within the power-band during gear changes. From a launch, the new Tundra will outperform almost anything with less than 400 horsepower, car or truck. Speaking from experience! Turbo is the future and I wouldn’t change it for anything! 😎
Mercedes Benz can afford to revert to a v8 in that car because they sales volume won’t break their back in terms of fines, whether in the US or elsewhere. Toyota intends to sell a lot more tundras and other vehicles that used to use the 5.7L so that volume would have come with an enormous annual fine to the EPA for violating emissions standards. If you think the small displacement engines are complicated now wait until the next phase of EPA emissions standards kick in after 2027 when Toyota and others will have to implement GPF (gasoline particulate filters) on these turbocharged SDEs.
the best way to fix the Tundra's is replacement long blocks with new turbos, the tech just removes the front end and pulls the whole thing out and set the replacement in the truck.
Toyota will figure it out. Just another reason why everyone should wait a year before buying a new production line vehicle. This kind of stuff comes out and is figured out. Luckily this is Toyota we are talking about which means they will take it seriously and will figure out all the issues.
Just bought a used 2018 TRD off road Tundra. Love it. The only brake squeak I get is first thing in the morning when I back out of my driveway. It then goes away. It only has 42k on it. The dealership really tried to get me in the newer 2023. I dodged a bullet.
In-line six engines have historically, always been the most reliable configuration for an engine. The only reason manufactures ended up going with the V6 version was in order to save space and cut down on a bit of weight in the front edging department with the advent of front wheel drive because it's cheaper to Produce a car with front wheel drive rather than rear wheel drive due to the fact that the engine transmission and front drive axles are all installed at the same time with the car landing on top of the power plant. The reason the in-line six is far more superior than any "V"configuration engine is simply due to the fact that there is far more support for the crankshaft due to Lower half of the engine block where the crankshaft sits on top of has 7 seven bearing end cap for the crankshaft of 6 cylinders to sit inside. Whereas a V6 would only 4 for the same number of cylinders. Historically there's never been anything wrong with an in-line six because it's perfectly balanced naturally. There's no need for a counterbalance shaft. There's only one exhaust manifold one cylinder had only one camshaft, which is typically much closer now than a V6. They really was no good reason for manufacturer to farewell to the in-line or slant 6 engine configuration other than simply the front end of the car was too long and it took up too much space. Not to mention it would be nearly impossible for an in-line six to have front wheel drive only or even 4 x 4. I'm glad that though manufacturers are finally going back to the drawing board and saying hey, this engine is a simpler design, making it cost-effective with history of exception reliability. I think Toyota is in a huge mess with regards to their V6 mess up. I have no idea why they chose this configuration. It made no sense. Toyota is already had in line 6 engines in the past that were bulletproof and are still highly sought after by collectors and engine swappers. What they may try to do is have everybody come in for an oil change as soon as possible and weigh the amount of metal filings that come out and if it exceeds a certain amount, the engine would either need to be replaced or they would try to perform an engine flush with another oil change to try to get the rest of it? What surprised me the most was the engines in Japan had the same problem that doesn't sound right there's something going on? Even though we make the tundra and engines in North America, that's where the similarity stop because it's like night and day nothing gets them nobody quits everybody's got high seniority. Toyota, Japan TEAM MEMBERS ARE LIFELONG FROM THE FIRST DAY TO 35 OR MORE YEARS LATER. Very prideful workers at Toyota Japan & it shows in air, quality, historically speaking. if you had a choice to buy a vehicle that was made in North America or the same model, but made in Japan unless there's some huge discount you take the one with a J in the CRV NUMBER! You're pretty well guaranteed to flawless vehicle because they rarely get defects so there's rarely something to fix making it nearly impossible to have a quality defect.
To be honest almost every Toyota engine had issues when the first came out, even the mighty 4.7 had head gasket issues. Thing is they usually don’t come with a new drivetrain for 10-15 years so they had time to fix the issues. When they make something new they’re just like every other car brand.
Yup had a 2002 Tundra with the 4.7 V8. The engine at 1,100 miles had to be taken out and overhauled. I forgot what had to be done but it was 2 weeks. BUT I ended driving it for 20 years with zero problems since.
This is more than just debris in the engine.
Time will tell!
Yeah, the guys on the assembly line don’t get bathroom breaks!
@@Timbuckley01 that's their problem, they signed up for the job
Hope your Tundra wasn’t made on Taco Tuesday.
@@StarInfinite00 who does #2 work for?
Bring back the v8s
Ya know the 5.7 had issues with dropping valves right when it first came out? 😂
@@flight2k5yep....I had the first model year....I was so scared of some of the issues I had the 4x4 5.7 so double whammy in the QC issues, I sold it for what I bought it for...family said I was dumb....the guy that bought it tried to flip it, like 2 months later it had tons of issues and that flipper got burnt, so no remorse for him. I told him the 4x4 was having issies but he never told the next buyer that and when it went out they had it out 😂
@@flight2k5 it's almost like Toyota is just as susceptible to the same growing pains as literally any other manufacturer, it's just that Toyota is much slower to adopt new technology.
govt emission laws.
Never gonna happen due to regulations. Not really any car manufacturers fault.
North Park Toyota in San Antonio is a dishonest con shop. I stupidly traded in my 2018 Tundra for a 2023 Tundra with defective brakes and air conditioning. They were so desperate to sell it to me, they delivered it to my house and tried to force me to sign an "As Is" clause even with a manufacturer's warranty. First they lied and said the brakes were new so the squealing was normal. Then they admitted that the brakes were a "known issue." I brought the Tundra in a couple of times, they wouldn't do anything. The tech offered to resurface the rotors for a fee (it's under warranty). Wow, they don't even try to address the issue for free). Toyota does not care about you. If you live in Texas, stay away from Toyota. If you live in San Antonio, especially STAY AWAY FROM NORTH PARK TOYOTA. STAY AWAY FROM ALL TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS IN SAN ANTONIO.
Universal Toyota will take care of you. Bought my 2018 Tundra brand new from North Park and learned quickly not to go back there for anything.
Thanks. Let us continue to call bad dealerships out.
Why would u trade in a vehicle to have another car payment ... and any vehicle made in 20s up are trash
Stop buying from dealerships private owner buys only for me if I can't afford it in straight cash I don't deserve it
my best dealership is irving toyota . the best dealer
Me u-turning on my way to the dealership
Don’t text and drive!
Me as the tech pissing in your washer reservoir and pooping on your cabin filter and reinstalling it 😂
@@jerrykurl69 average Toyota tech behavior
@@garrettcasper338 That average is all you’re gonna get because all the good techs worth their salt are gonna flee that Toyota dealer because of this recall bs. It will take years for this to resolve itself and there’s no point on losing your ass repairing these lemons for half price.
2024 not affected
Toyota's looking at a huge financial hit to fix these engines. $30K /truck for new short blocks and 100 thousand trucks potentially. $3 billion hit if they all need the full repair. This is most likely a design issue, not from engine debris.
There is retail pricing on engines from Toyota dealers...which no one ever buys, Then there is Toyota's cost to build a short block. Their cost to actually build the engine themselves is remarkably low. Even with paying dealers the 30% mark up for warranty, the cost wouldn't be anywhere near 30k. I clearly remember 3.0 V6 blocks stacked up to the ceiling at our store back in the day. This has happened in the past and will happen again. Just a small hiccup
Toyota could've honestly made the V8 hybrid, they had the formula 15 yrs ago in the LS600h.
LS600hL has eCVT which has no place in a truck.
@@KirkKreifels they could’ve tuned it for a traditional gearbox. the formula was there
They wanted to downsize, so a v8 wasn’t going to cut it regardless of how good it is
not with current CAFE standards.
Almost. You can find an article written in 2015 called "Atkinson Variable Displacement V8 Coming to Tundra". Either the emissions from that engine were still too high or the reliability wasn't there so Plan B was the turbo V6.
I bought a 2021 Tundra in 2022. Woo Hoo! I'm still dancing. They can keep their V6
That's why I'm keeping my 2021 5.7 forever!!!!!
I have been a Toyota tech since 2010 and have had one 5.7 with a broken valve spring. The 4.7, 5.7, and 4.0 v6 have been, for the most part, bulletproof. We had a 21 tundra with 5k with a spun main bearing. I am not looking forward to the rightfully angry customers and making pennies under warranty to fix Toyota's production issues.
Yes, I've heard warranty jobs have very unrealistic time frsmed and techs are hurrying because they're not paid hourly rates.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 thats called poor craftsmanship. Anyone who works on someone elses property should treat each repair the same. a rush job will show, its embarrassing. Do it right the first time. I get the money issue but that is literally what they signed up for. Imagine an electrician is hired in your house to do a few things, not making much $. would you want him to "hurry up" bc he is not making top dollar?
And then they have to fix them again bc it wasn't done right the first time. @@imnotusingmyrealname4566
@jackhofalot6705 I'm not expert by any means but!!! Did you saw the whole process of fixing that engine??? You have to split that cab in half! Bro!
Kirk, I don't judge Toyota against perfection, I judge them against every other car company and they consistently come out on top. The 'legendary' 5.7 V8 also had a number of well document issues in its early days but eventually it found its way to the top of the reliability charts. A recall means Toyota pays the repair bill not the consumer. Expect extended warranties to follow.
they tested this engine , 2 years also technology is way better , testing tools are way scientifically better and then this happens, not cool
This twin turbo engine is already 6 years old it came out early 2018 and it’s still having issues. Lexus models with this engine are also having the exact same problems. I love Toyota but it’s time to admit they are cost cutting just like all big companies.
That doesn't mean anything for the people whos engines have blown up or have been lemoned
The V8 issue (mostly the cam tower leak) were nothing like the issues they are having with the twin turbo.
@@andrewgus8763 This engine was installed on the LS500. And the engine in LS500 is not 100% the same. Still almost no one had problems in LS500. And that is not cost cutting. How do you know this is cost cutting? Back in time they also had engines with some problems and those problems were resolved. And by the way, every car company is cost cutting. Because that's normal. Or do you want every car to cost like a Rolls (that still has a lot of technical problems) ?
I believe both Tacoma and Tundra engines are built at their Alabama plant. This is unfortunate but I believe they will rectify. I am an owner of a 5.7 Tundra. I’ve never had issues. But, the 4.6 and 5.7 had their issues. Dropping valves, AIP failures, valley plate leaks, cam tower leaks, horrible starter placement etc. Not defending nor praising the new motor. But, this is where we are at and believe Toyota will do what it takes to rectify the issues. In the end nothing is bulletproof.
I don’t think that this a major issue in the bigger scheme of things. Toyota has proved that they refine their engines and take issues with them seriously. This will be fixed.
Do not lower the expectations for Toyata. We demand and expect excellence.
"Nothing is bulletproof" except your 5.7 Tundra 😂
@@608portraits9 The 5.7 has had plenty of issues.
I sure hope so!
Debris story is BS.
They dont want to admit they were going cheap on parts to make the ultimate profit
They meant debris coming from their behind
Likely debris makes it worse. And is a great way to say "we fixed it " without going into detail on all of the problems with V6TT. So glad I went with a supercharged V8 TRX instead of this POC.
Especially when a lot of the engines are having issues at 22000 and higher. Most failures with debris would be much earlier
Similar story as Boeing issues.. it's design issue.
I doubt that debris has anything to do with the failures. The main bearings are failing probably due to the new bearing cradle they started using with these engines. The #1 bearing right at the front of the crank is failing as it overheats and the bearing turns. This actually looks like a design fault which for legal reasons they will not ever admit to a design fault.
Correct.
I’ll be curious to see how it’s fixed and when it’s implement into the production line. Bad thing is, we won’t know if it’s actually fixed for a couple more years like when we started seeing more and more engine failures. It makes me wonder if 5w30 would potentially decrease the probability of this happening as well.
What it is they making a ,V6 pump out same or more power than a V8 and they ain't lasting
Brother in law been through 2 engines, less than 8k on the tundra. Poor guy traded his 2017 on the new one and bad luck hit him
Sometimes you don’t know what ya got until it’s gone.
@@Darkpill-2Cinderella 😂
Maybe he shouldn't trade in for a new one every couple of years.
@@bledibushati9889don’t know what I did is so wrong 😂😂
Never trade in your car if it's over 100000 miles and running good. Most likely it has a lot more to offer you. New ones as we can see might not even hit 10000 miles. lol
The "new" turbo V6 in the Tundra isn't new. It's been used in the Lexus LS500 since they came out with that. Idk what happen with the Tundra engines that are having issues, but it's not the engines fault. Seems like an assembly building issue.
It’s not a new engine but it is new in a truck platform where owners typically use it for hauling ppl/things. Completely different use case than a sedan.
@@JokerG16 There is a spreadsheet of crowdsourced data and many of the failures are not from heavy duty applications. Grocery getters.
Machining debris from improper cleaning inside the block. It's a manufacturing issue.
The LS500 has the same issue
This is not accurate. This engine had issues ever since it got introduced in 2018. Go to the Lexus forums and you will find several threads of LS500 with blown engines. The threads go back to 2019. The LS500 isn't as mass produced so naturally you're going to see a lot less info online about failures. This engine was never ready for prime time.
If it was debris in the engine it would affect more than just the main bearing (where the failures are happening from what I’ve read). All of the crank bearings would be toasted as well as cylinder walls etc. I personally think it’s a design issue but they didn’t ask me. 🤷♂️
True, debris would mess up everything.
Ford has v6 twin turbo in the raptor didn’t have problems like Toyota having. And Toyota has a reliable v6 the 2 G the v6 in the Camry’s no spun bearing very smooth engine loves to rev even lotus is using that engine with a supercharger. Lot people are thinking it’s the ladder style main caps are causing the problem it’s more than debris these engines are spinning bearings. Toyota should give truck buyers more engine options like Chevy doing in the Silverado you can get smaller turbo and diesel engines and 2 v8 the old reliable 5.3 LS1 or the big boy 6.2 Toyota going to lose lots of truck customers because of this. This is a $75,000 dollar truck that’s lot of money for most people for something that going break down all the time.
5.3 and 6.2 are LT engines, but even with DoD are more reliable than the Tundra V6. Only people with failed LT engines will complain (mostly due to bad maintenance), those who are happy will not.
We have 2.7 , 3.5 Ecoboost options and the mighty coyote. I just run V8s. I build these engines for racing and the ford modular V8 is a very reliable platform. As a builder im thinking this new V6 probably has bad main caps or bad webbing that is causing crank walk and its probably scrubbing the main bearings until they spin.
@@luciankristov6436 Why is the LS swap more common than the Coyote V8?
@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806 Coyote doesn't fit in many cars. And it's way more expensive. But worth it if you can do it.
Kirk, thanks for keeping it real unlike some other TH-camrs right now which act like nothing is wrong at Toyota and try to justify the crazy high new prices too.
There is nothing crazy about the prices of the new Tacoma or upcoming 4 runner. For internet keyword warrior enthusiasts like you everthing is expensive.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI LOL. So you see nothing wrong with the Tacoma and 4Runner TRD Pro going up in price by nearly $15,000 in one year? Okay. I’ll be keeping my 2023 TRD Pro.
@@rmoore07 new Tacoma and 4 runner has up to date interior design exterior design comfort tech features power performance torque and more. So obviously it's going to be more expensive. New 4 runner and Tacoma is very much in line with its rivals. So please keep whatever you want but don't complain about prices just because you enthusiast are whining keyboard warriors.🤫
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI The new Tacoma is overpriced, period. The Colorado ZR2 is about $53k with a few options and the Ranger Raptor comes pretty much loaded at $58k. Unlike the Tacoma TRD Pro at $65k, both those trucks also include a front locker, and in the case of the Raptor, a turbo V6. “But what about reliability?” We have no idea right now. It sure isn’t working out too well for Tundra owners, we know that much.
@@rmoore07 New Turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 are excellent engines. tundra and Tacoma Are two different vehicles 😂. Tacoma will not have any issues whatsoever. This is just a tundra matter so stop attacking a perfectly fine class leading vehicle. 🤣
Kirk the LS500 is low volume compared to the tundra. And yes there are documented failures in those as well. Same issue
Nope
I’ve got a ‘20 LS 500 F-Sport w/ 32K on it - get 20mpg around town, 24 on the hwy. Very smooth running and responsive engine. Dealer serviced, I’ve never had an issue, love the car!
The problem might be in the design, not the machining.
Agreed. Seems to be an oil problem. Clogged passages. The bearing(s) getting fried
It's the same EXACT issue that KIA had with their Theta engine production processes. Exact.
Why are the consumers always the beta tester's for every manufactures "new" product 🤬
Exactly! I never liked that practice either
Production problems can always happen, no matter how much testing is done.
Vehicles are now computers on wheels 💻
These are made by humans and you’re expecting perfection? This is just the way production is. Toyota is doing something about it which is an excellent start!
Ford wouldn’t let anyone test the bronco and days after release the steering and tie rods were breaking. They too had sand in the motor from casting.
Ford didn’t get rid of the V8
Nope we still got several V8 options and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon from ford either.
Just phasers falling out of sync and brand new mustangs lighting on fire lmao because a bolt comes loose
From Mopar techs, the hurricane I6 is a dumpster fire as well. The wagoneer body has to come off for major work. It's not machining debris. It's differential expansion between the iron and aluminum.
Man, I will just keep driving my 2004 Tacoma. 258,000 miles and still running strong.
first gen rollin on 360 k
I honestly don't understand why anyone ever trades in a virtually problem-free vehicle for anything produced after 2019.
@@solarforfuture The immortal truck
@@roshi98 Exactly. We have a 2018 RAV4, made in Japan. Will never let that one go.
2002 3.4L 4x4 Taco here with 400,000 miles
Earlier in the video you mentioned, you believed these engines were built in San Antonio, Texas that is incorrect. It is in Alabama.
Ahmed Car Care Nut mentioned in one of his videos that the old Toyota engines that people praise so much also had problems in the beginning so these things happen and Toyota irons them out.
Yes but why take a chance on an engine blowing up at highway speeds? People should be admonishing TM not making excuses.
@@SM-og9ptCorrect, no excuses, but what other truck/engine doesn't have issues?
Problems were not this bad.
“No excuses but” lol you have a bad case of Toyota fandom
@@rjnoj-xb5kq they were you just didn’t hear about it as much because no social media back then.
LX600s have the same issue and they are made in their Yoshiwara factory in Japan! reports from Middle East also include LC300s having the same issue. Sounding more like a design flaw.
Wait until we see the new '24 Tacoma and '25 4R turbo issues.
New Tacoma and 4 runner has a more than fine turbo I4/turbo I4 hybrid engines. Just because the tundra has issues don't mean every other turbo engine Toyota makes is bad. If anything I believe Toyota would have very used the learned lessons from this tundra sage to make sure Tacoma won't have the same issues. So stop attacking a perfectly fine vehicle like Tacoma which does not have issues. I know the comment section has become place for people overreacting and acting it's end of the world but come on.🤦.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI😂yes
@@mrketo7077 👍
The T24A-FTS has been in use since 22 model year in the NX 350, and 23 RX 350, RX 500h largely without issue.
It’s also used in the Highlander, Grand Highlander, Crown, Land Cruiser, TX 350, TX 500h. I’ve seen them as high as 90k miles without fault.
@@UnitB agree 💯.
This makes me so happy. Go woke go broke baby. Bring back the V8 or at least make it an option like Ford does.
Sorry, who is going broke?
Reminds me of back in my day of Engineering in a new truck frame tube mill plant. There were 275k pre-hydro formed tubes rejected by GM for length variations. We found that the new employee at the tube cutoff decided to shutoff the auto air blast after each cut because it was annoying.
So after each cut the debris buildup created each successive tube to be cut slightly 'shorter'.
I like that they are calling the engines back for replacement, unlike Hyundai / Kia that did everything they could to duck out of responsibility for their Theta II GDI engines.
The shavings excuse is from the engine breaking apart not from the factory.
Strange how none of these engine failures I’ve seen broken down had visible metal debris in the engines aside from the bearing materials?
It doesn't take much debris, a thimble full in a main oil galley and that bearing is going to fail big time and maybe take some others with it as it shrapnels out.
This seems more and more common with new engine designs, remember Honda's DI 1.5 Turbo oil dilution. I wish this wasn't the case but better a recall and recognization from Toyota than nothing.
It’s on the short block portion of the engine. The bottom of that short block is a one piece design that holds all the main bearings on the crankshaft and the portion on front main bearings is not structurally sound. Hence why it doesn’t matter where the engine was made.
I traded my 23 tundra platinum a few weeks ago. Only had 20k miles. Interior, doors, and windows rattled. Ride was horrible. 17mpg at best. I consider myself lucky to have lost a little bit of money. Owners are going to take huge losses. Sad.
Get a new Nissan Frontier...better ride,better built.
@@lrich8181I test drove one and it’s a real solid truck. Didn’t have the money at the moment though
What did you trade it for?
Nissan better truck now
Change the oil after first 500 miles and every 5k miles, old school problem needs old school solution. Ask 90s Honda. That is if you can believe it is machining debris.
This is excellent advice for any new car; I hope more folks read this comment.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota is testing something like that. Change oil during the PDI and recommend another oil change in 500 miles, then resume regular OCI’s. Problem is, there are people who have done their first oil change at 500 or 1000 miles followed by 5k OCI’s afterward that have had engine failures. Heck there are some that have had 2 engine failures, though I think that may be the fault of the technician not flushing/cleaning or replacing all the parts that need to be.
Some on the forums were changing their oil every 5k and their engines still blew up. It’s a design weakness imo.
No. Turbo engines need a 3000 mile oil change. Cylinder pressure and heat from the turbo degrade and contaminate the oil. 5000 miles is too long.
@@TheBandit7613 That is an outdated over generalization to say any turbo engine needs a 3k oil change. The manufacturer recommends 10k so 5k is plenty conservative. I’ve been replacing my wife’s VW with a turbo at 10k miles or 1 year and it hasn’t blown apart (80k miles now).
Remedy, NEW Engine Or New MOTOR. Nothing else. Which ever one you like to call it. Bring back the V8!!!!!
I’m not too surprised. A new powertrain will always have teething issues, and Toyota isn’t immune to that. I’m sure it will eventually become a reliable engine in the future as they refine it.
This is not a “new engine”. It’s been around for OVER 6 YEARS, in some form or the other! 🙄
@@747-pilot for gods sakes. Recalls can happen and so called legendary v8s from Toyota had multiple issues.but overtime they fixed that. Same here they will fix it. Why people like you always overreacting how about for a change claim down plus stop posting bs comments. You enthusiast are something very special.😒🤦😒🤦
Change The Oil and Filter in The First 500 miles or two weeks might help cleat Filings!
As soon as you get it home from the dealership if you can.
Called it for over 4 months now and die hard Toyota fans told me I was crazy and it was on the owners not knowing how to take care of the car.
Ya know the 5.7 had issues with valves dropping when it first came out right? 😂
@@flight2k5 cool story bro… not sure what this has to do with bearings. This ain’t a machining issues it’s a design flaw … and the fact Toyota is using a girdle design with the caps attached , this will warrant for a full bottom end redesign which isn’t a easy fix as changing valve retainers.
@@flight2k5 This “new” twin turbo engine has been around since 2018, while the 5.7L issues did not take this long to resolve.
The issue with the new engine is engine blocks! It seems they didn’t do prober cleanup after work done and that impacted the engine
@@emadalruwishan8305 if you ever built engines , you will know that debris of the magnitude to starve a hearing of oil or log itself in areas of such small tolerances would cause the failure before your first oil change … guys are seeing these engines fail past 30k miles … one of my friends had his lx500 with 40k miles and his engine failed… we also know of guys gone through two engine replacements where they sent them a brand new short block that was cleaned thoroughly.
After engine break in early, ...
I recommend Mobill1 EP oil and filter (20k mile) change my oil at 10k miles religiously. All highway miles.
Toyota will fix it and release again. Turbos and 6 cyclinders are used in trucks for years.
Agree
Fords 3 gen came out in 2023 was the last engine update
I will not touch one until I see with my eyes one reaching a million miles. The complexity is too much.
The 2nd gen tundra ate up camshafts when it came out at first. They fixed that and the engine was legendary after that. So…let’s all just calm TF down for a second.
Agree and you are right brother 💯
Thankyou!
I told everyone this would happen when the day they announced the axing of the V8 for twin turbo V6’s.
Twin Turbo V6’s are NOT new technology, so there is no excuses from Toyota.
They should give everyone who had an engine failure (and there’s a LOT) lifetime warranties for their aggravation they’ve endured.
This is $30,000 fix regardless of who is picking up the bill.
:( I'm on a GX550 waiting list, but I'm now considering, if my name comes up, passing on it or getting off the list entirely until more info comes out. I'm also on a '25 4Runner TRD Pro list and, so far, feeling more comfortable with the 4Runner as my potential next vehicle.
You should get a gx460 or a 4.0 v6 powered runner if you still can. Don’t say nobody warned ya!
@@donaltemus3565 🙄 new turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 in the new Tacoma/4 runner/ land cruiser are more than fine engines. So please stop creating unnecessary drama about perfectly fine vehicles and engines.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vIfine for you I guess. I’ll never purchase that crap
@@donaltemus3565 new turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 are excellent engines with more than fine reliability. Yes tundra has a issue sure but it has nothing to with the Tacoma because they are different vehicles. People like you will always complain and be very special yet pathetic
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI why am I very special yet pathetic?
We knew about this a while back... We replace a few engine at the dealer I work, since mid 2023..
Bring back the V8 engines Toyota 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪
At least Toyota is trying to get ahead of the problem. If this were Ford, GM or Stelantis they would have denied a problem ever existed. Or worse blame the customer.
That's not true because ford gm and stelantis aren't having mass catastrophic engine failures inside of the warranty period like toyota is. This is a widespread major problem there was no avoiding this. At the moment we got a 2018 toyota and a 2013 f150 and the toyota has been recalled and in the shop more with less than half the miles and not worked near as hard. In my experience toyota hasn't lived up to the internet hype at all.
Ah the Toyota cult buries their head in the sand. Nothing like the reliability of a Toyota am I rite?! 😂
Ford always issues recalls usually before problems even show up.
It still a junk like you guys be saying about Kia and Hyundai 😂😂😂
@@Lq32332 it is spelled right.... NOT rite!
Toyota’s issues started after Covid. We bought a V6 Highlander back in 2019 when all of their medium-large vehicles were still V6 or V8. They had no turbo motors out then. They were the number 1 automaker in the world and the largest back in the time.
People really forget the Lexus 4.6 V8 had 270K recalled like 15 years ago
Agree
This is bearing failure. Probably from oil starvation. Debris in the crank journals or oiling pathways can't be fixed. The engine is damaged the instant you run it.
Subaru had an issue with the sealant machine oversealing oil pans and causing sealant to clog the oil pickup tubes, causing engine destruction.
I was wondering why toyota was asking me for my used pepsi can, they needed to make these new turbo motors.
One single head, cylinder bank, seals. There’s a lot of advantages with the inline 6, only drawback is the length of the block in a line is harder to package in the engine bay. I loved my old bmw inline 6. Really sounded great at high revs.
i don’t think this is something to get worked up over. 2nd gen tundra had issues early on too. hopefully owners aren’t put out of their way too much. can’t wait to see the resolution the world class engineering team at toyota comes up with.
Agree and you are right.
Having driven the twin turbo v6 and now, just today, driving the v8 ls460 i gotta say the 80k Mile ten year old v8 is so much smoother than the new ttv6 ones. Sad to see it go
Remember the Toyota V8 engine when brand new there were recalls too., before it's became bulletproof
Spot on.
Yup. He’s just making content atp.
@@jxmar_ KRIK is a bit funky These days and now a days he misread a lot like In the last sales video about Lexus.😞🤦. This comment section is now a place for fu***** ignorant hardcore enthusiasts who Post crazy comments with pure nonsense. Sorry for my language but KRIK has allowed this to happen.😒
Yeah it still needs to get worked out. People seem to not remember or didn’t know that the V8 had some serious problems early on. This was in a Lexus but it’s not exactly the same. I’m sure within another year or two they will be solid power trains.
Because of the government policy and new polution law, will make this cars company to keep doing smaller engine that will fail faster than N/A V6 and V8
That is the massive problem.. government involvement
All Toyota should be built in Japan period
Child labour in United States, in 21st century is WILD. This could end very bad for Hyundai
THIS IS TOTALLY A CONSEQUENCE OF TOYOTA CHANGING THEIR ENGINES TO ACCOMODATE FUEL EFFICIENCY.
WHICH IS STUPID NOT TO GIVE PEOPLE OPTIONS. If you're buying a tundra you are not focused on gas mileage. You are focused on having a utility vehicle that is going to do work for you.
Sedans, minivans and some SUVs like RAV 4 in Highlander should focus better gas mileage. Maybe even Tacomas
Tundras, 4Runners, land cruisers should keep the same V8s, V6s, no turbos.
Keep what is going well and what makes the toyota indestructible for years...
That is not to say Toyota shouldn't try new things, they should just keep what is working well and introduce new options and phase the old engines out slowly if at all...
I have a 2024 TOYOTA that is not involved in this recall, but I've been getting oil changes at Toyota every 3000 miles for now just to make sure that metal engine debris that has been left over from Manufacturing has all been take a out
People forgot how many issues the 5.7 had for years when it came out lol
Agree.
To be fair, its not the engine, its manufacturing quality control.
Womp womp.😂Toyota is gonna perfect it, and 10yrs from now you guys would be like “Toyota V6 turbos were reliable, what’s it with this new turbo 4 cyl?”😂
Recalls happen and even so called legendary v8s had issues when they first came out. End of the day Toyota fixed the issues and then become so called legendary. But hey people are acting like it's the first time.
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vIThat’s the problem. They nitpick the reliable Toyota’s from the past then compare that with the new technology model Toyota has now. There’s plenty of reliable Toyota examples here and now, for example the RAV4, Camry, Corolla, and Highlander. Like you said, Toyota’s past engines had issues when they first came out too. People are so gullible.
@@mrgurulittle7000 agree. Now these people are ruining the comment section and people with commonsense has no life here
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vIYeah. But I gotta admit it’s fun battling it out here in the comments section. It makes the channel lively, and we meet the same peers and enemies all the time. Some are even infamous and their names are engraved into the community here. (Like Naveenthemachine) It’s fcking bonkers and I kind of like that. Kirk has the most diverse and sometimes violent community to be proud of.😂😂😂
@@mrgurulittle7000 you are right My friend. 💯. It is fun and people like naveen have gone cuckoo combined that with his ignorance. He is something very special and pathetic.👍
So they had this same engine in a Lexus car years ago before the 22 tundra came out, they had plenty of time to perfect it but instead they gambled and put it in the tundra? Smh, I can’t believe I’m gonna be saying “remember when Toyotas used to be reliable?”
Any thoughts on why Sequoia isn’t part of this?
2024 Lexus GX has the 3.4L turbo. What am I missing? Where is the documentation that motor is fixed??
Here's the process of the recall solution I foresee based on how other similar recalls occur. The impacted vehicles within the recall's scope will be brought in, and they will scope the engine to look for signs of debris damage (look at the cylinder walls, look for bearing damage, etc.). Those that show damage will win the "you get a new short block" lottery, and the others will not. Most likely, they will also offer an extension of the power train warranty (guessing it will be out to at least 10 yr/100k miles).
My guess is that the scope will expand to 2024 models as well. Toyota is a conservative company (as in cautious of its reputation, not political views for the keyboard warriors), and it will need to assure its customers that it has done the right thing for them.
Toyota's approach to handling recalls, as seen in past instances like the frame issues, is a testament to their commitment to doing the right thing for their customers. While their initial response may seem slow, it's important to understand that this is not due to negligence, but a result of their thorough investigation process to ensure the correct solution is implemented.
While I've been disappointed in Toyota recently over their pricing increases for the new Tacoma, the use of more plastics in the interiors (some say more rugged, I say to save cost), and other decisions they have made lately, I still believe Toyota wants to do right by the quality of their vehicles and their customers regarding the engineering of the vehicles.
I don't see the inline six happening because the V-6 is used many different platforms. I agree, inherently, a straight six is much smoother. Doing the balance diagram in my dynamics class in college proved this out. However, the V-6 offers packaging advantages over an inline engine due to the additional length of the straight six. But I do believe Toyota will get this issue resolved for the better.
I am a lifelong gearhead and a former long haul trucker. I remember being surprised when one by one American manufacturers discontinued the inline sixes. In heavy trucks there have been several forays into V configuration diesels but the overwhelming engine is the inline six. There must be a reason!
Eh, they will get better in time. I remember when everyone was afraid of 4 and 6 cylinder na engines…..”they won’t last”. Well, they are reliable and they do last a good while and powerful to boot. Compare a 4 cylinder today compared to an 1980s v8. I’ll take the 4 any day. This does depend on brand, not saying that there aren’t 4 and 6 crap engines out there, but there are good ones and I don’t think Toyota will tolerate crap engine in the long run.
where are there 2.4 turbo engines in taco, 4runner and Highlander are made? do they used similar process?
No the T24-FTS is based on the A25A-FKS with strengthened internals and old school vacuum powered waste gates instead of electronic ones.
One of the reasons that companies going away from the inline 6 was the crash requirement. They need more frontal crumple zone . Now they are smarter and maybe the inline 6 can make a come back
We are the funniest thing. A lot of people say oh it’s a lot of recalls, but you know it’s so funny. It’s for free. You don’t have to pay anything in the funniest thing. American cars are even worse.
Any car company that is recalling THE ENGINE has QUALITY ASSURANCE problems. The head of the QA Department in the Toyota Texas Factory should be fired!
But how does this problem get duplicated in other factories especially the one in Japan???
The factory skipped several steps in the Assembly of these engines. That is the only way that several factories in different countries are coming up with the same issue.
Maybe Toyota rolled these cars out too soon without testing the engines for a longer period of time.
The debris didn't cause problems with the engine initially and maybe that's how quality assurance missed it... still it's a HUGE problem.
Even after they switch out the engine, I personally wouldn't want a Tundra that has gone through that. I would rather swap it out for a newer Tundra with the brand new engine and pay for the difference in miles, but knowing Toyota you would be paying more in the long run.
The UR had it's fair share of issues when it first came out and Toyota took care of their customers. The new engines have issues and Toyota is taking care of their customers. Relax everyone.
Agree with you 👍💯.
The UR's had fixes, Toyota hasn't announced fixes for the V35A. Toyota won't even tell us reassuring things like "owner X now has 250,000 troublefree miles on his 2022 Tundra V35A which shows the engine doesn't have a fundamental design defect."
@@4af all the more reason to relax. When the UR issues came up Toyota took proper time to assess the situation and took care of their customers. Same thing happened with the massive rust recall on truck frames and the oil burn recall on the 2AR engines. Take a breath dude.
@@PatBlackJR you are right my friend.
@@PatBlackJR 100,000 engines to replace (final figure might be be 200,000) times $20,000 each to replace them (materials & labor) = TWO BILLION DOLLARS. 100,000 engines to replace divided by 1,500 dealers = 66 engine replacements per dealer.
Hi Kirk,
I’m an electrical engineer that works on the power distribution for these automotive plants. The actual layout and production line is actually dictated by the process engineers. Sometimes this is internal to the manufacturing company, but it is mostly contracted out to a process design firm from what I have experienced so far. (i.e. American car company contracting the process design from a Korean company).
Looks like the process engineers might have overlooked a step in their process line that would have cleaned any internal machining debris. And I would they they are the ones to revisit the drawing board to find a step they need to add to fix this. Thus, an expensive change at the manufacturing building’s process line.
Here comes the TH-cam master mechanics lol
Your comment perfectly summarises all the crazy comments In this comment section.
All i hear from so many youtubers is the same bs trucks trucks trucks, turbos turbos turbos bahahaha babbling fools
Facts 😂
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And? What are you? Playdough master?
The US is passing laws to allow child labor. This is the greatest country on earth
Facts 💯
Stated issues seem to be from manufacturing problems and not TTV6 vs V8?
Would anyone know what the reliability/recalls were back in the day when these V8s were introduced?
Even so called legendary 5.7 had massive recalls just like the new TT V6. Toyota much solved the issues as time went on. So this issue will also get solved
@Mylifeislegendary836. I guess it's hard to let go of the old V8 for some... bet they would accept the extra torque as a trade off 👀
@@hamzabinwaheed people who you see here are keyword warriors or hardcore enthusiasts. So please don't take their comments seriously brother. Fact is the new TWIN Turbo V6 is better than the v8 . Recalls like this will happen and issues get solved overtime. This outrageous comments happen whenever a new gen product comes out
@@Mylifeislegendary982-vd3vI tru dat 💯
@@hamzabinwaheed best example is now some ultra foolish enthusiasts trying to attack the Tacoma which has a very good turbo I4 and hybrid turbo I4 engine. Fact is brother people will always complain whenever there is new technology or engines.
I have my Nissan Titan with its most amazing Endurance V-8, 180,000 miles zero issues. Use it for camping and towing my boat. My daily driver is a 23' Honda Ridgeline with hands down one of the best V-6 on the entire market. My only problem is I keep getting pulled over for speeding. Its so fast and so smooth you just don't realize how fast your going. I had a turbo vehicle once....couldn't keep it out of the shop. No thanks.
Listen everyone. If you want reliable engines again, STOP VOTING FOR EMISSIONS REGULATIONS!!! We've hit the damn limit of our technology and need a break! Give the industry a decade before we start up on emissions again! We've been making gains on emissions since the 90's. The industry needs a damn break!!
This is very sad. I had a 2002 Tundra and I loved it. But I had to trade it in because I couldn’t afford filling up every other day where I used to live. That truck was awesome.
I just bought a 2023 in January. We’re all gonna die!!!!!!
What?? 😅
Lol
sell it..
Hey Tim!...you can use the truck's cargo bed or sedan's trunk for your coffin! .. 🤣
Yes, even though this involves not only Alabama produced engines but Japanese produced engines. The issue is not unique to one plant because they both use the very same machinery and the same automated process to clean swarf from the blocks post machining.
Toyota doesn't know how to design/build a great I6 engine. WTF are you talking about!?!? Toyota knows how to pay Yamaha and BMW for a straight 6. Even if Toyota did build the 2JZ, they sure as chit didn't design it, and a 2JZ is not a truck engine either. You're just fanning out over an engine configuration that you're bias to, and yeah that's exactly what you're doing. I understand perfectly, as I went through the same thing when Ford started forcing EB on F150.
Look, the V6 configuration makes sense. V6's are way easier to house in an engine compartment than a I6. 60* V6's are in general very refined, smooth, and reliable engines due to a firing order that makes them balance themselves very well. This particular V6 is just flawed in its main cap design that houses the crank in the engine block. I mean WhyTF would we want to go with the reliable, traditional, deep skirt/6 bolt main setup that everyones been using for the past 25-30+ years when we can develop some funky, one piece girdle to house the crank, in one of our most important engines, and hope it doesn't end up being an issue down the road? This is kind of like reinventing the wheel. This engine isn't having issues because V6's just can't support decent HP, or handle being boosted. It's a design flaw in this particular engine. WTF are you doing Toyota? It's not like you to take such risks on such an important product for you. If Toyota can make this engine become reliable it actually makes a whole lot of sense for their lineup, and the image they like to push as a company.
The "new" Tundra is an unmitigated and inexcusable disaster for Toyota. It's almost like they hired engineers from Boeing and turned them loose. Tundra owners were willing to put up with all the deficiencies of the previous model because they simply never broke. And they've thrown that legacy completely away. And what's worse, they have NO answers. No matter the cost, if the Tundra is going to survive in the American market they have to gather up the best people they have and redesign this power plant and address all the other interior and fitment issues that these trucks still have 3 years later. I'd rather see them scrap this entire rig, stay out of the truck market for 2 years, or however long it takes, and bring back a better looking, better made truck with a turbo straight six, and a normally aspirated hybrid truck that will last for 300k.
I have a ‘23 Tundra TRD OFF-ROAD 4x4 4-door with 23k miles. Absolutely no issues and just like every new generation of anything, will be met with resistance by a certain percentage of people in love (well-deserved) with the predecessor. In general, humans are hesitant to change. However, change or evolution is great in terms of improvement and benefit to mankind. My truck is an absolute BEAST wielding incredible power and torque from be new V6 Twin-Turbo. The great news about Toyota is that they’re number-one in the world, as far as I know, and will take care of its customers and consequently its reputation; for the greater good. My truck is FAST and will pass 80-90% of ALL cars on the freeways with the press of the gas pedal. The 10-speed transmission is what these trucks, including the Tacoma (i had a ‘17 and ‘19) needed to stay within the power-band during gear changes. From a launch, the new Tundra will outperform almost anything with less than 400 horsepower, car or truck. Speaking from experience! Turbo is the future and I wouldn’t change it for anything! 😎
Agree and you are right brother 💯👍. A refreshing words in a sea of bullshit and meaningless rants in this comment section.
Mercedes Benz can afford to revert to a v8 in that car because they sales volume won’t break their back in terms of fines, whether in the US or elsewhere.
Toyota intends to sell a lot more tundras and other vehicles that used to use the 5.7L so that volume would have come with an enormous annual fine to the EPA for violating emissions standards.
If you think the small displacement engines are complicated now wait until the next phase of EPA emissions standards kick in after 2027 when Toyota and others will have to implement GPF (gasoline particulate filters) on these turbocharged SDEs.
just change the engine at this point, put a better engine, that was checked in japan.
the best way to fix the Tundra's is replacement long blocks with new turbos, the tech just removes the front end and pulls the whole thing out and set the replacement in the truck.
Toyota will figure it out. Just another reason why everyone should wait a year before buying a new production line vehicle. This kind of stuff comes out and is figured out. Luckily this is Toyota we are talking about which means they will take it seriously and will figure out all the issues.
They've already had two years to figure it out.
Nothing beats the old school naturally aspirated V8.
I forecasted this in 2019. Glad I got my 20 Tundra
I knew this would happen as soon as toyota introduced this twin turbo crap. i laughed..
I saw it coming. I had a GS, IS V6 with 0 issues. Both with more than 150k miles. I am keeping my RX350 V6 period
Just bought a used 2018 TRD off road Tundra. Love it. The only brake squeak I get is first thing in the morning when I back out of my driveway. It then goes away.
It only has 42k on it.
The dealership really tried to get me in the newer 2023. I dodged a bullet.
Lexus GX460 just became more valuable
I have a 2018 GX460, won't let go of it, unless for a 2023 GX460...
In-line six engines have historically, always been the most reliable configuration for an engine. The only reason manufactures ended up going with the V6 version was in order to save space and cut down on a bit of weight in the front edging department with the advent of front wheel drive because it's cheaper to Produce a car with front wheel drive rather than rear wheel drive due to the fact that the engine transmission and front drive axles are all installed at the same time with the car landing on top of the power plant. The reason the in-line six is far more superior than any "V"configuration engine is simply due to the fact that there is far more support for the crankshaft due to
Lower half of the engine block where the crankshaft sits on top of has 7 seven bearing end cap for the crankshaft of 6 cylinders to sit inside. Whereas a V6 would only 4 for the same number of cylinders. Historically there's never been anything wrong with an in-line six because it's perfectly balanced naturally. There's no need for a counterbalance shaft. There's only one exhaust manifold one cylinder had only one camshaft, which is typically much closer now than a V6. They really was no good reason for manufacturer to farewell to the in-line or slant 6 engine configuration other than simply the front end of the car was too long and it took up too much space. Not to mention it would be nearly impossible for an in-line six to have front wheel drive only or even 4 x 4. I'm glad that though manufacturers are finally going back to the drawing board and saying hey, this engine is a simpler design, making it cost-effective with history of exception reliability. I think Toyota is in a huge mess with regards to their V6 mess up. I have no idea why they chose this configuration. It made no sense. Toyota is already had in line 6 engines in the past that were bulletproof and are still highly sought after by collectors and engine swappers. What they may try to do is have everybody come in for an oil change as soon as possible and weigh the amount of metal filings that come out and if it exceeds a certain amount, the engine would either need to be replaced or they would try to perform an engine flush with another oil change to try to get the rest of it? What surprised me the most was the engines in Japan had the same problem that doesn't sound right there's something going on? Even though we make the tundra and engines in North America, that's where the similarity stop because it's like night and day nothing gets them nobody quits everybody's got high seniority. Toyota, Japan TEAM MEMBERS ARE LIFELONG FROM THE FIRST DAY TO 35 OR MORE YEARS LATER. Very prideful workers at Toyota Japan & it shows in air, quality, historically speaking. if you had a choice to buy a vehicle that was made in North America or the same model, but made in Japan unless there's some huge discount you take the one with a J in the CRV NUMBER! You're pretty well guaranteed to flawless vehicle because they rarely get defects so there's rarely something to fix making it nearly impossible to have a quality defect.
To be honest almost every Toyota engine had issues when the first came out, even the mighty 4.7 had head gasket issues. Thing is they usually don’t come with a new drivetrain for 10-15 years so they had time to fix the issues. When they make something new they’re just like every other car brand.
Yup had a 2002 Tundra with the 4.7 V8. The engine at 1,100 miles had to be taken out and overhauled. I forgot what had to be done but it was 2 weeks. BUT I ended driving it for 20 years with zero problems since.