@@olliegazzard8279 For a datacenter it would be nice as if they used a servo like they have here it could stay within the footprint of the device. That and i believe the power button on the new mac mini is not soldered to the board so if they wanted to take the time to remove the bottom plate they can just tap/use the wires that go to the button for software control. no servo needed and no soldering needed.
@@olliegazzard8279 you just put them belly up. but I don't think they have that many power on/off needs in a data center. the issue here is about rack size.
I leased a mini for years from them when I was done they mailed my machine to me. Great service it was the cheapest way to get a unix server with 16gb of ram in the cloud at the time.
As impressive the effort of these DC guys is - it is at least as impressive how much resources are spent because Apple does not allow full virtualization of MacOS detached from hardware ...
That is a well thought out solution with lots of details. Very impressive. Also a very knowledgeable manager and great presentation. This video didn't feel 23 minutes long, great pacing!
I don't think they would want to make repairable devices these days. I'd never put up with an apple server if everything is soldered down or firmware locked to the machine. Granted IBM is doing well with their highly specialized machines that are heavily locked down.
I wonder how much they would save on their energy bill, if they would use apple silicon Mac’s. And with m4 they could cut their rack size roughly to 50%.
Another interesting note: because of how power efficient the Apple Silicon Macs are they only use about 1/3 of the power available to them in each rack.
It's unfortunate that the Mac Pro's software restricts users to only two virtual machines per system... Just imagine the possibilities of a pure Mac Pro cluster!
With all my respect to the scale of these solutions, I cannot understand, why simply not use datacanter hardware and virtualize all of these resources.
That can’t be true about the size of their network and their “largest” claim. They have 4 spines, that’s very basic. I’ve worked at hyperscalers with 32 super spine switches, in a 7 stage CLOS network. The individual pods had 4 spines, and there were a dozen pods per datacenter. All links were 100G, even down to the servers and were starting to deploy 400G links
3 to 5ms latency is not very impressive for Pure arrays. They can actually get consistent sub-millisecond latency. Maybe he meant 0.3 to 0.5ms latency?
I don't understand why Apple isn't capitalizing on the data center market. Apple silicon offers unbelievably low power consumption over performance, translating into massive energy savings.
This guy is probably losing his mind over the new m4 Mac minis!!!
yeah right, good luck with the new power button location…
@@olliegazzard8279 For a datacenter it would be nice as if they used a servo like they have here it could stay within the footprint of the device. That and i believe the power button on the new mac mini is not soldered to the board so if they wanted to take the time to remove the bottom plate they can just tap/use the wires that go to the button for software control. no servo needed and no soldering needed.
@@olliegazzard8279 you just put them belly up. but I don't think they have that many power on/off needs in a data center. the issue here is about rack size.
@@olliegazzard8279 rofl if they can't solve that "problem" they aren't very good
They power cycle just need to control input power unless they need DFU
I leased a mini for years from them when I was done they mailed my machine to me. Great service it was the cheapest way to get a unix server with 16gb of ram in the cloud at the time.
A Mac Data center is insane. Just wow. Great work with this tour.
I think it's pretty boring compared to normal data centers.
@@mx338 Naa, I spend all day travelling to various data centres and they are all the same and pretty boring, never seen Macs racked like this before
As impressive the effort of these DC guys is - it is at least as impressive how much resources are spent because Apple does not allow full virtualization of MacOS detached from hardware ...
The density advantage with the new Mac mini would be huge!
1:20 Camera knows what he's doing. Give him a raise
That is a well thought out solution with lots of details. Very impressive. Also a very knowledgeable manager and great presentation. This video didn't feel 23 minutes long, great pacing!
They need minisforum to develop a dock. That’s literally all they need to clean up that interface and wiring! Good stuff!😊
"Where do you work?" "Datacenter, but it's complicated."
These will all be running JetKVM by the end of next year. I feel good about that.
This is by far the coolest datacenter video i've seen this year.
quite fascinating actually. They bucked the norm and created something amazing.
Peak power draw of a m4 Mac mini is 25w, pretty crazy.
Apple should get back into making XServes again...
It would be really cool, but even at this scale, I don't think that would be a big enough use case for Apple to justify it.
I don't think they would want to make repairable devices these days. I'd never put up with an apple server if everything is soldered down or firmware locked to the machine. Granted IBM is doing well with their highly specialized machines that are heavily locked down.
@@unified-itmore use than the dumb-arse Mac Pro.
Yeah if they did with serval M4 Ultra Chips it a server component.
Thank you for sharing.
So the new minis will require new design since button moved 😢
TBH Mac Servers were a thing 20 years ago.
Xserve was really cool!
The new cooling system was completely redesigned on the m4 I wonder how they will figure out cooling on the new model.
beside the pi3 and servo whats the reset of the kvm hardware they are using?
Excellent video been following them so long good to see their facility
What a video you guys are doing great.
I have a theory that Apple moved the power button to the bottom to prevent macstadium from using this servo 😂
Killer!
I wonder how much they would save on their energy bill, if they would use apple silicon Mac’s. And with m4 they could cut their rack size roughly to 50%.
Another interesting note: because of how power efficient the Apple Silicon Macs are they only use about 1/3 of the power available to them in each rack.
Seems odd they talk about keeping it simple and then proceed to show something extremely complex.
It’s all very impressive none the less.
It's a very interesting setup. I'm kind of surprised in the diversity of hardware they're running though.
I wonder what it will take to revive Xserve.
It's unfortunate that the Mac Pro's software restricts users to only two virtual machines per system... Just imagine the possibilities of a pure Mac Pro cluster!
Interesting note the 2013 trashcan Mac Pros were actually a great success for them for that exact reason. They could build VMware clusters.
Their new solution is hilariously janky
I think this datacenter is efficiency and less maintenance
With all my respect to the scale of these solutions, I cannot understand, why simply not use datacanter hardware and virtualize all of these resources.
Apple used to allow it with Vmware on Intel Macs. Now your are hardware limited to 2 VM's per Mac. TLDR: Because Apple.
That can’t be true about the size of their network and their “largest” claim. They have 4 spines, that’s very basic.
I’ve worked at hyperscalers with 32 super spine switches, in a 7 stage CLOS network. The individual pods had 4 spines, and there were a dozen pods per datacenter. All links were 100G, even down to the servers and were starting to deploy 400G links
i think when they say they're the largest they mean they're the largest Mac DC
@@unicodefoxIt’s a small market.
3 to 5ms latency is not very impressive for Pure arrays. They can actually get consistent sub-millisecond latency. Maybe he meant 0.3 to 0.5ms latency?
I don't understand why Apple isn't capitalizing on the data center market. Apple silicon offers unbelievably low power consumption over performance, translating into massive energy savings.
Waiting for a reaction video of when they find out where the new Mac Mini’s power button is located!
0:03 Why would anyone build a datacenter in Las Vegas? Aren't heat and electricity consumption critical factors in data center operations?
I cant understand the point to this when you can just have these at your own home or office for a lot less money
But -oaS and the cloud!
A lot of organizations use the MacStadium solution to run their iOS build and test pipelines at scale with dozens to hundreds of nodes.
I’d rather not pay $1000 for maybe an hour of usage per month which is spent compiling stuff.
@@xanderplayz3446right, but once you do it’s yours forever.