Dorothy was a brilliant writer and lauded by Hemingway as the best woman writer in the world (contemporary). I wish she could have lived to tell the real story of President Kennedy. How different things would be now.
@@shirleysue228 I so agree as well. What a beautiful couple!! Both, so classy, gracious and incredibly intelligent. The love they shared was very palpable.
Dorothy gets harsh comments from a number of viewers. I'm going to state here and now: Dorothy is my favorite panelist (Arlene is right up there with her). Dorothy is a great listener, a keen thinker, she's competitive, she can laugh at herself, she has fun with her role, she has a beautiful smile, and she's a great asset to the panel. Many of her excellent questions help the other panelists correctly guess the occupations of the contestants. P.S. It blows me away when it's suggested that Dorothy cheats at times. That's so ridiculous.
Many of them took notes so they could remember what the contestants said and not ask questions that had already been answered. Dorothy was very careful to do that. She was a very intelligent, very meticulous woman.
Everybody dressed very elegantly then. The young ones as well. The other day I saw some young people in the supermarket with pajamas and fluffy animated slippers on. Interesting how styles gradually change over time.
It also helped that with the young challengers with summer jobs, the WML staff tried some reverse psychology: throw obvious professions at the panel in hopes they would be stumped or at least take a while in looking for something more obscure.
Some Ben Gazzara notes: This is the fourth and final time that Ben Gazzara appears on WHAT'S MY LINE? - and the only time that he appears as Mystery Guest. He was a guest panelist on 2 August 1959, on 27 September 1959, and on 28 February 1960. "The Young Doctors" was the only big-screen film which Ben Gazzara made in 1961. It was released in the U.S. (New York first) on 23 August 1961. He also played Davidde in a made-for-TV film, "Cry Vengeance!," which had aired on NBC on 18 April 1961. Others in the cast include Sal Mineo, Cal Bellini, Peter Falk, Sorrell Booke, and Jack Bittner. Franklin J. Schaffner directs; and the music is by David Amram. (The previous year (1960), he had played Lello in an Italian film, "The Passionate Thief" (original title: "Risate di gioia"), in which other cast principals included Anna Magnani and Toto (the Italian actor, not the dog - or the singer, for that matter) - and Fred Clark.) Ben Gazzara's last previous Broadway performances (as elicited during the Mystery Guest segment) were, indeed, in a non-musical play. In fact, they were in a flop: Michael V. Gazzo's "The Night Circus," in which Gazzara played Joy. The play ran from Monday, 2 December 1958 to Friday, 6 December 1958 at the John Golden Theatre - only 7 performances. Others in the cast included Al Lewis, Janice Rule, Arlene Golonka, Bartel La Rue, John Harkins, Albert Morgenstern, Patricia Roe, and Shepperd Strudwick. The production was directed by Frank Corsaro. You might also be interested in watching Ben Gazzara in the 1965 film "A Rage To Live," which is still up on TH-cam as of this comment.
The Stange One was an oddball film in which Gazzara was an awesome bad guy; it received zero publicity as the director made the wrong enemies. As a kid I thought it was a great film & it is indeed well worth watching.
And another of Arlene's co-stars later appeared on the show as a guest panelist - and turned in one of the worst guest-panelist performances in the show's 17-year run.
@@kristabrewer9363 The first guest on the show. The young man who was a Page for the U.S. Senate. I'm one of the few people who really lives in Washington, D.C.
Life imitates art Ben Gazzara was the original Brick in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, on Broadway. One of the greatest plays by one of the greatest playwrights in Broadway history. In that play, Brick appears on crutches, having broken his ankle by failing to clear the hurdles he faced, literally and metaphorically. A broken man. And here is Gazzara actually on crutches following an athletic injury.
On thing to note about "One Two Three" is that James Cagney so hated doing this picture - mainly working with Horst Bucholtz - that he quit acting and was only lured out of retirement in 1981 for a brief part in "Ragtime". He apparently came out of retirement only because his close friend Pat O'Brien was also doing the movie.
@@SueProv If you’re asking about Bucholtz, the answer seems to be that he was a method actor and forced a lot of retakes and wasted time. Cagney was very much of the “know your lines, and hit your mark” type actor. He didn’t need a lot of direction, or need to know what “his motivation in this scene” was.
Buz must have been very nervous. He had some odd facial expressions (constantly frowning for no reason), and when John spoke with him after Dorothy guessed his line, he never looked at John straight in the face once, even though he was sitting right beside him.
Lorna Badeo I think this is the best I've seen Dorothy, in terms of both looks and game-playing, in close to a year's worth of episodes! It's great to see after all she went through over the previous year or so.
Its good to see John be honest and say that they taped some shows so that they could all be together and take a vacation too! Gee...I wonder if they went to the baths at Marienbad?
Much as I love WML I can't help but laugh when New York snob extraordinaire Bennett Cerf refers to work clothes worn by ordinary folks a costume. I don't dislike Bennett that's just who he is..
The panelists often used the word “costume” as a synonym for “uniform.” I’m assuming that this was customary in those times, or specifically in the world in which the panelists moved.
Finally got a chance to check it out, and "One Two Three" is a movie well worth seeking out-- though younger folks will have to make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with the cold war situation in Berlin of the time to really get it. I got a huge kick out of an unexpected reference to WML at the very end of the film. Arlene is about to talk things over with the kids, and just before doing so, she calls out, "Conference!" :) Understated enough to not interrupt the flow of the scene, but certainly a WML reference. I loved it.
it was! and got critical acclaim. still holds up as one of the best. such a smart, fast paced comedy. i'm just mad it was in black and white haha. love seeing arlene in color. thank goodness for The Thrill of It All.
Finally got a chance to check it out, and "One Two Three" is a movie well worth seeking out-- though younger folks will have to make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with the cold war situation in Berlin of the time to really get it. I got a huge kick out of an unexpected reference to WML at the very end of the film. Arlene is about to talk things over with the kids, and just before doing so, she calls out, "Conference!" :) Understated enough to not interrupt the flow of the scene, but certainly a WML reference. I loved it.
Billy Wilder's "One Two Three " doesn't get the fame it deserves because it came after his super hits "Some Like it Hot" and "The Apartment." It was a great comedy, a funny concept, and Arlene got some memorably dry comedy lines. "Have you ever made love to communist?" asks the daughter of the president of Coca Cola?" No, Arlene says," but I once made out with a Stevenson Delegate." She says to her Coca Cola executive in Berlin husband, "Our marriage has gone flat, like stale beer." He replies without missing a beat, "Must you bring competitors into the conversation?" badda bing.
soulierinvestments Believe it or not, I liked "One Two Three" *more* than "Some It Like It Hot" or "The Apartment". I think I have a defective comedy gene-- I like "Some Like It Hot" well enough, but I don't see what's so earth shattering. As I understand it, we're all supposed to consider "Some It Like It Hot" the best comedy ever made, with the single most perfect final line in any comedy in history. Yeah. . . ok. "The Apartment" I never warmed up to at all. This is not a knock on Wilder, just on the reaction to those two films in particular, which I've never really understood. "Sunset Boulevard" is, for me, his clear masterpiece.
Bennett Cerf's mention of his son brings to mind that 1967 episode where he and Peter Gabel appeared as editors of the Harvard Lampoon. At that time they were both dishy and close to 20.
And, sadly, Bennett had to disqualify himself from participating in that segment in 1967, because someone (whether it was the anonymous letter which he mentions on the air or someone accidentally "letting the cat out of the bag" in conversation with him, which is also possible) let him know several days before the show that Jonathan and Peter were going to be contestants on that show. His disappointment at not being able to participate really shows.....
Interesting, Master Buz Burke respectfully doesn't look at Mr. Daly directly as he answers his questions or perhaps he's a little nervous. None the least young people were more polite and respectful and well groomed back in the day.
I just have to say with Dorothy guessing what that boy did so soon.....I felt bad for him. She could've let it it go around at least once. Same for Martin and the Lifeguard.
In fairness, how many times in a last-contestant segment has there been barely enough time for each contestant to ask one question before the contestant's "line" is revealed - and it seems rushed from the start? At least this time, the contestant's "line" was guessed fairly quickly and there was time for a little bit of conversation afterwards. Also, as Martin Gabel noted, he had been a panelist often enough (and had seen the show often enough) to know that sometimes the obvious is the correct answer. Even in a black-and-white kinescope, it comes across as pretty obvious that Mary Silchenstedt is quite tanned (sunburned, in fact, as John Daly notes) and quite physically fit ("robust physical health" - JD), so that guessing that she had held an outdoor occupation during the summer, quite possibly something to do with swimming, such as lifeguard. And so, for once, the final segment didn't seem rushed at all......There was even time for the usual round of "Good night"'s from contestant to contestant to (eventually) host. (PS: When I was watching this particular segment, once Miss Silchenstedt had written her name on the chalkboard, but before her city of residence and accent had been revealed, my first thought was that she was a foreigner who was visiting the U.S. Just looking at her on-screen, that thought certainly is plausible. But, upon further thought, WML? generally selected "final contestants" from those who lived reasonably close to New York City. Had she been a foreign-born visitor contestant, she would have been featured as either "first up" or "second up," but not "final.")
The laws passed after the quiz show scandal would deem that illegal. This wasn’t that long afterwards and the shows were under scrutiny for any hint of fraud.
What's My Line had an affinity for employed boys in this period. The next year, the boy columnist Henry Makow appeared. Memorably so did young trapeze artist Ray Valentine and an 8 year old boy who did billiard stunts. They all appear in TH-cam. Arlene's mention of her 14 year old son with the interest in sports brings to mind her son Peter Gabel, for years a law professor / philosopher / university administrator. When he was 17 and very cute, he appeared on WML as a New York World's Fair Guide. AT one time or another, his three WML appearances (1964, 1967 -- as Harvard Lampoon editor, 1972 -- as mystery guest plugging leftist political organizations at U of California Berkley) were posted to TH-cam
at the point I wrote this comment, I had not seen the Tuesday Weld episode. When Julie Newmar came in January 1961, she hobbled about on a broken foot, but without crutches.
I'm interested in what organization Daly was doing reporting for? -- Or anyway, Bennett at 1:38 implies he'd been doing some? Or maybe he was just embroidering on where Arlene'd been.
Because this was Arlene's first show back after being away for a couple of months to film the movie. They aired shows with Arlene during those two months, but only pre-taped episodes.
1-31-2023. Benjamin Gazzara. Wow the points on a Scrabble board. Double ZZ! Ten points for each Z. But proper name is never allowed, sigh. But on my Scrabble game I have two ZZ. And my letters are doubled. So I can play Gazzara.
I thought congressional pages were young adults (roughly 18-22), not young teens. Does congress still employ children that young today? (Oct. 2023 as I write this)
It seems to me that Arlene and Bennett probably knew that the 1st contestant may have been a page boy since he lived so close to Washington DC. They at least gave him a chance to get through a few questions before being figured out. Then there is Dorothy who as Bennett has related was driven to guess the occupation. As a result this poor kid hardly got any airtime. If I am correct then I believe this was very selfish on her part.
Kevin Mueller that's how she is but once it was determined he worked for non-profit there wasn't many other possibilities--it seemed John extended the talk a bit nice touch if intentional(wouldn't surprise me based on his character)
i think it is wonderful that Dorothy played to win. The person facing the panel is called either a "contestant" or a "challenger". That implies that it is contest between the guest and the panel and that it the panel is being challenged. The panel is supposed to compete. This is 1961, just before Labor Day and the start of a new school year. I was just about to start 4th grade. In 1961, teachers weren't forbidden to use red ink because it was deemed too harsh. Gold stars had to be earned. Awards weren't given out merely because someone showed up. When we played ball among ourselves, we kept score, and while we might argue whether a ball was fair or foul and whether a runner was safe or out, at the end of the day no one on the losing team whined because they lost. Everyone played and the kid who was picked last didn't show ill effects of low self-esteem. One of our neighborhood kids had a withered arm from polio. He played. He was one of the gang. He went on to have a good career in administration for a major travel agency. Besides, Arlene, Bennett and many of the more regular guest panelists also played to win. Arlene griped far more often than Dorothy about getting a "no" and was more likely to get it reversed than Dorothy. But Dorothy is less likely to get a pass from many of those leaving comments on this channel. It's a matter of how each one is perceived.
@@loissimmons6558 I had just turned 1 year old. For better or worse, the school customs of your fourth grade class would feel a little dated by the time I made it to that stage in 1968. And yet everything you mentioned seemed like it was true for me and my age mates. It was only when we all became parents that our kids faced a whole new world of school and play. As for Dorothy... I liked her competitive nature. I didn't like her knack of dragging out her questioning though.
To the contrary, games are played to be won. Bad sportsmanship would be to pull punches and try to make the game closer. It is proper for each panelist to try their hardest
You guys need to keep you negative responses to yourselves!! No, Dorothy shouldn't have a done that, and yes she does like to be right no matter who the "victim" is, but she is liked by pretty much every person who's ever WATCHED this show but in here defense, she only did what you (and any other person) would do in her place!!
In an interview given a few years after the original show ended, Bennett said that there was an unwritten (I’m paraphrasing) rule that for a Mystery Guest they would allow all four panelists to ask one question, even if someone immediately knew who the MG was. He went on to say that Dorothy would break that rule. But Bennett himself was known to do the same thing on occasion. Anyway, apparently there was no such custom for a regular challenger.
John Daly does this often, he talks too much, unnecessarily speaking for guests who are doing just fine answering questions. Irritating. I'm surprised his producers didn't curtail this habitual behavior of his.
That's one of the things that irritates me; him speaking for everybody when they have a mouth of their own (and I'm sure even knows BETTER than John would). But even so, that doesn't irritate me NEARLY as much as when he flips over those STUPID cards for everyone!! (to me, there's no point in even playing the GAME when he does that cause he takes all the fun out of it)!
Kilgallenn took only three questions to guess a fourteen year old was a page boy for the Senate. Nonprofit? Yes. Work for the government? Yes. Are you a page boy? Yes. She most likely had inside information. 50 dollars must have been a lot of money for a teenager back then and it looks like he was cheated out of it.
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Dorothy was a brilliant writer and lauded by Hemingway as the best woman writer in the world (contemporary). I wish she could have lived to tell the real story of President Kennedy. How different things would be now.
I believe Arlene and Gabel were madly in love like no other couple in the business, admiration, joy to be together, fun and proud of each other.
ilza,
So agree and so rare
@@shirleysue228 I so agree as well. What a beautiful couple!! Both, so classy, gracious and incredibly intelligent. The love they shared was very palpable.
You don’t know that …
They were notorious swingers!
Beauty and the beast 😂
Dorothy gets harsh comments from a number of viewers. I'm going to state here and now: Dorothy is my favorite panelist (Arlene is right up there with her). Dorothy is a great listener, a keen thinker, she's competitive, she can laugh at herself, she has fun with her role, she has a beautiful smile, and she's a great asset to the panel. Many of her excellent questions help the other panelists correctly guess the occupations of the contestants.
P.S. It blows me away when it's suggested that Dorothy cheats at times. That's so ridiculous.
Agree
agree ❤
She was bratty.
Loved her too! ❤
Many of them took notes so they could remember what the contestants said and not ask questions that had already been answered. Dorothy was very careful to do that. She was a very intelligent, very meticulous woman.
Ah, Miss Dorothy, so smart. Genius. Her line of work made her very knowledgeable in many areas.
My favorite panel.
The four people I love to watch.
Everybody dressed very elegantly then. The young ones as well. The other day I saw some young people in the supermarket with pajamas and fluffy animated slippers on. Interesting how styles gradually change over time.
1-31-2023.
Blame Satan for the changes in how people wear clothes, J.J.B. Plus you can add a lazy attitude.
Styles have gone down, down, down. Many people now look like they just rolled out of bed.
@@timothyball7502 Point taken.
Only travellers dress that way
@@timothyball7502 Point taken.
I love how Arlene calls her husband out on his dumb question.🐄🏠😂
Certainly was an excellent Program,they had people that spoke very good american English and taught me ,Thanks very much.
Looks like they were all refreshed by their time off... they're at the top of their game in this episode!
It also helped that with the young challengers with summer jobs, the WML staff tried some reverse psychology: throw obvious professions at the panel in hopes they would be stumped or at least take a while in looking for something more obscure.
Master Buz was quite the young lad. Well spoken and mannerly.
That 14-year-old boy was adorable. I'll bet he grew up to be a very handsome man.
Some Ben Gazzara notes:
This is the fourth and final time that Ben Gazzara appears on WHAT'S MY LINE? - and the only time that he appears as Mystery Guest. He was a guest panelist on 2 August 1959, on 27 September 1959, and on 28 February 1960.
"The Young Doctors" was the only big-screen film which Ben Gazzara made in 1961. It was released in the U.S. (New York first) on 23 August 1961. He also played Davidde in a made-for-TV film, "Cry Vengeance!," which had aired on NBC on 18 April 1961. Others in the cast include Sal Mineo, Cal Bellini, Peter Falk, Sorrell Booke, and Jack Bittner. Franklin J. Schaffner directs; and the music is by David Amram.
(The previous year (1960), he had played Lello in an Italian film, "The Passionate Thief" (original title: "Risate di gioia"), in which other cast principals included Anna Magnani and Toto (the Italian actor, not the dog - or the singer, for that matter) - and Fred Clark.)
Ben Gazzara's last previous Broadway performances (as elicited during the Mystery Guest segment) were, indeed, in a non-musical play. In fact, they were in a flop: Michael V. Gazzo's "The Night Circus," in which Gazzara played Joy. The play ran from Monday, 2 December 1958 to Friday, 6 December 1958 at the John Golden Theatre - only 7 performances. Others in the cast included Al Lewis, Janice Rule, Arlene Golonka, Bartel La Rue, John Harkins, Albert Morgenstern, Patricia Roe, and Shepperd Strudwick. The production was directed by Frank Corsaro.
You might also be interested in watching Ben Gazzara in the 1965 film "A Rage To Live," which is still up on TH-cam as of this comment.
The Stange One was an oddball film in which Gazzara was an awesome bad guy; it received zero publicity as the director made the wrong enemies. As a kid I thought it was a great film & it is indeed well worth watching.
Great research on Ben Gazzara!!
Wonderful info! Thank you
@@karasu1982 You are most welcome!
@@barrykendrick3146 Jocko de Paris......
Ben Gazara was an excellent actor. I watched him in a show called Run for your life with my dad.
In the same year, 1961, Ben Gazara's cousin Pasquale was the science teacher in my high school, Halstead in Yonkers.
Mention of One Two Three brings to mind that in this period one of Arlene's co-stars in that film appeared as mystery guest to great hilarity.
And another of Arlene's co-stars later appeared on the show as a guest panelist - and turned in one of the worst guest-panelist performances in the show's 17-year run.
Nice to see a boy from my home
town or at least near my hometown.
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@@kristabrewer9363 The first guest on the show. The young man who was a Page for the U.S. Senate. I'm one of the few people who really lives in Washington, D.C.
Life imitates art Ben Gazzara was the original Brick in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, on Broadway. One of the greatest plays by one of the greatest playwrights in Broadway history. In that play, Brick appears on crutches, having broken his ankle by failing to clear the hurdles he faced, literally and metaphorically. A broken man. And here is Gazzara actually on crutches following an athletic injury.
Chevy Chase MD happens to be also the place where John Daly lived and died.
Not at the same time, I hope.
On thing to note about "One Two Three" is that James Cagney so hated doing this picture - mainly working with Horst Bucholtz - that he quit acting and was only lured out of retirement in 1981 for a brief part in "Ragtime". He apparently came out of retirement only because his close friend Pat O'Brien was also doing the movie.
I wonder what he did.
@@SueProv If you’re asking about Bucholtz, the answer seems to be that he was a method actor and forced a lot of retakes and wasted time. Cagney was very much of the “know your lines, and hit your mark” type actor. He didn’t need a lot of direction, or need to know what “his motivation in this scene” was.
@@ImaCOTV Yes that was what I wondered. Horst was in the Life is Beautiful many years later. Cagney was one of my favorites.
Buz must have been very nervous. He had some odd facial expressions (constantly frowning for no reason), and when John spoke with him after Dorothy guessed his line, he never looked at John straight in the face once, even though he was sitting right beside him.
wow. they were on fire.
oh and forgot to add Dorothy looked lovely, and Arlene's makeup was fab :)) lest i ever forget to give my aesthetic kudos lol
Lorna Badeo
I think this is the best I've seen Dorothy, in terms of both looks and game-playing, in close to a year's worth of episodes! It's great to see after all she went through over the previous year or so.
+Lorna Badeo This is the first I've noticed Dorothy wearing cat-eye liner. It looks great!
Another fantastic episode!!I'm hooked!!
After two months of filming "One, Two, Three" in Germany, in addition to two months of pre-recorded episodes, Arlene and Martin are back.
Its good to see John be honest and say that they taped some shows so that they could all be together and take a vacation too!
Gee...I wonder if they went to the baths at Marienbad?
Vahan Nisanian typical Dorothy (and Cerf) win at any cost.
1-31-2023.
Vahan, here is my riddle.
A Germany One?
How pretty the ladies look in their lovely dresses 👗
Great when live. Could not do today because of obscenities by panel members. Bleep.
Wonderful show!
Much as I love WML I can't help but laugh when New York snob extraordinaire Bennett Cerf refers to work clothes worn by ordinary folks a costume. I don't dislike Bennett that's just who he is..
The panelists often used the word “costume” as a synonym for “uniform.” I’m assuming that this was customary in those times, or specifically in the world in which the panelists moved.
Chevy Chase Md. I’m thinking that was Mr. Charles Daly’s last place of residence
I've seen the movie Arlene was working on back then a few times. They show it on my local PBS station at least once a year since 2010.
I've been meaning to check this out. I've never seen her act in anything. Her filmography is actually really short.
Finally got a chance to check it out, and "One Two Three" is a movie well worth seeking out-- though younger folks will have to make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with the cold war situation in Berlin of the time to really get it. I got a huge kick out of an unexpected reference to WML at the very end of the film. Arlene is about to talk things over with the kids, and just before doing so, she calls out, "Conference!" :) Understated enough to not interrupt the flow of the scene, but certainly a WML reference. I loved it.
You cannot go wrong with a Cagney film ... that was his last one aside from an appearance in Ragtime decades later ...
The Billy Wilder film Arlene worked on was pretty good. James Cagney starred and gave a fine comic performance.
it was! and got critical acclaim. still holds up as one of the best. such a smart, fast paced comedy. i'm just mad it was in black and white haha. love seeing arlene in color. thank goodness for The Thrill of It All.
Finally got a chance to check it out, and "One Two Three" is a movie well worth seeking out-- though younger folks will have to make sure they have at least a passing familiarity with the cold war situation in Berlin of the time to really get it. I got a huge kick out of an unexpected reference to WML at the very end of the film. Arlene is about to talk things over with the kids, and just before doing so, she calls out, "Conference!" :) Understated enough to not interrupt the flow of the scene, but certainly a WML reference. I loved it.
What's My Line?
haha yes! great catch :)
Billy Wilder's "One Two Three " doesn't get the fame it deserves because it came after his super hits "Some Like it Hot" and "The Apartment." It was a great comedy, a funny concept, and Arlene got some memorably dry comedy lines. "Have you ever made love to communist?" asks the daughter of the president of Coca Cola?" No, Arlene says," but I once made out with a Stevenson Delegate." She says to her Coca Cola executive in Berlin husband, "Our marriage has gone flat, like stale beer." He replies without missing a beat, "Must you bring competitors into the conversation?" badda bing.
soulierinvestments Believe it or not, I liked "One Two Three" *more* than "Some It Like It Hot" or "The Apartment". I think I have a defective comedy gene-- I like "Some Like It Hot" well enough, but I don't see what's so earth shattering. As I understand it, we're all supposed to consider "Some It Like It Hot" the best comedy ever made, with the single most perfect final line in any comedy in history. Yeah. . . ok. "The Apartment" I never warmed up to at all.
This is not a knock on Wilder, just on the reaction to those two films in particular, which I've never really understood. "Sunset Boulevard" is, for me, his clear masterpiece.
The best looking pig farmers I've ever seen. 😄
Bennett Cerf's mention of his son brings to mind that 1967 episode where he and Peter Gabel appeared as editors of the Harvard Lampoon. At that time they were both dishy and close to 20.
And, sadly, Bennett had to disqualify himself from participating in that segment in 1967, because someone (whether it was the anonymous letter which he mentions on the air or someone accidentally "letting the cat out of the bag" in conversation with him, which is also possible) let him know several days before the show that Jonathan and Peter were going to be contestants on that show. His disappointment at not being able to participate really shows.....
Interesting, Master Buz Burke respectfully doesn't look at Mr. Daly directly as he answers his questions or perhaps he's a little nervous. None the least young people were more polite and respectful and well groomed back in the day.
I'm surprised the ladies didn't get up to shake hands with the becrutched Ben Gazzara. They normslly do when someone isn't so flexible.
1-31-2023.
Dorothy did stand up a little for Benjamin Gazzara. David, just have to see Dorothy stand half way up. Watch the video once more.
I just have to say with Dorothy guessing what that boy did so soon.....I felt bad for him. She could've let it it go around at least once.
Same for Martin and the Lifeguard.
In fairness, how many times in a last-contestant segment has there been barely enough time for each contestant to ask one question before the contestant's "line" is revealed - and it seems rushed from the start?
At least this time, the contestant's "line" was guessed fairly quickly and there was time for a little bit of conversation afterwards. Also, as Martin Gabel noted, he had been a panelist often enough (and had seen the show often enough) to know that sometimes the obvious is the correct answer. Even in a black-and-white kinescope, it comes across as pretty obvious that Mary Silchenstedt is quite tanned (sunburned, in fact, as John Daly notes) and quite physically fit ("robust physical health" - JD), so that guessing that she had held an outdoor occupation during the summer, quite possibly something to do with swimming, such as lifeguard.
And so, for once, the final segment didn't seem rushed at all......There was even time for the usual round of "Good night"'s from contestant to contestant to (eventually) host.
(PS: When I was watching this particular segment, once Miss Silchenstedt had written her name on the chalkboard, but before her city of residence and accent had been revealed, my first thought was that she was a foreigner who was visiting the U.S. Just looking at her on-screen, that thought certainly is plausible. But, upon further thought, WML? generally selected "final contestants" from those who lived reasonably close to New York City. Had she been a foreign-born visitor contestant, she would have been featured as either "first up" or "second up," but not "final.")
I have to say, I felt kind of bad for the kid also.
I think Daly thought the same thing. Look at his expression after she guesses it.
She takes it too seriously. That's why I like Arlene.
The laws passed after the quiz show scandal would deem that illegal. This wasn’t that long afterwards and the shows were under scrutiny for any hint of fraud.
Ben Gazzara was a heavy smoker and died before he was 50.
Arlene made fun of her husband about not finding cows in the house,well Ive never to a house with pigs running around. 😂
they pre recorded shows for the summer because you need time off
that first contestant was guessed crazy fast!
Dalton broke that leg in Brad Wesley’s trophy room in Road House!
"Where's bunny?"
What's My Line had an affinity for employed boys in this period. The next year, the boy columnist Henry Makow appeared. Memorably so did young trapeze artist Ray Valentine and an 8 year old boy who did billiard stunts. They all appear in TH-cam. Arlene's mention of her 14 year old son with the interest in sports brings to mind her son Peter Gabel, for years a law professor / philosopher / university administrator. When he was 17 and very cute, he appeared on WML as a New York World's Fair Guide. AT one time or another, his three WML appearances (1964, 1967 -- as Harvard Lampoon editor, 1972 -- as mystery guest plugging leftist political organizations at U of California Berkley) were posted to TH-cam
soulierinvestments:. Yes, and with that dorky haircut he adopted it was clear that Berkley was where he was teaching.
Couldn't they get another chair for the 2nd person? I've noticed that with other couples, too! That the program doesn't have a 2nd chair for people.
Just about the only time I can remember someone coming in on crutches.
soulierinvestments you missed the episode with Tuesday Weld??
at the point I wrote this comment, I had not seen the Tuesday Weld episode. When Julie Newmar came in January 1961, she hobbled about on a broken foot, but without crutches.
I'm interested in what organization Daly was doing reporting for? -- Or anyway, Bennett at 1:38 implies he'd been doing some? Or maybe he was just embroidering on where Arlene'd been.
ABC News.
Bennet ask who was gonna be spoke person, the blonde said both but she done the speaking 🤦😂
Arlene lived till 2001. Martin Gabel lived till 1986. Bennet Cerf lived till 1971. Dorothy lived till 1965
Why are so many of the comments below about the film "One, Two, Three"? Neither James Cagney nor Horst Buchholz is in this episode.
Because this was Arlene's first show back after being away for a couple of months to film the movie. They aired shows with Arlene during those two months, but only pre-taped episodes.
1-31-2023.
Benjamin Gazzara. Wow the points on a Scrabble board. Double ZZ! Ten points for each Z. But proper name is never allowed, sigh. But on my Scrabble game I have two ZZ. And my letters are doubled. So I can play Gazzara.
They ultimately got divorced
I thought congressional pages were young adults (roughly 18-22), not young teens. Does congress still employ children that young today? (Oct. 2023 as I write this)
Arlene might eat pigs. She was an Armenian Orthodox Christian. Her husband Martin was a Jew. I do not know if he refrained from eating pigs.
Martin Gabel was Jewish?
@@peternagy-im4be Yes, born to Rebecca and Isaac Gabel in Philadelphia
John Daly , excelkent host and very very articulate( too much for the panel😂)
Ben Gazzara looks quite a bit like George Maharis.
It seems to me that Arlene and Bennett probably knew that the 1st contestant may have been a page boy since he lived so close to Washington DC. They at least gave him a chance to get through a few questions before being figured out. Then there is Dorothy who as Bennett has related was driven to guess the occupation. As a result this poor kid hardly got any airtime. If I am correct then I believe this was very selfish on her part.
Kevin Mueller that's how she is but once it was determined he worked for non-profit there wasn't many other possibilities--it seemed John extended the talk a bit nice touch if intentional(wouldn't surprise me based on his character)
i think it is wonderful that Dorothy played to win. The person facing the panel is called either a "contestant" or a "challenger". That implies that it is contest between the guest and the panel and that it the panel is being challenged. The panel is supposed to compete.
This is 1961, just before Labor Day and the start of a new school year. I was just about to start 4th grade. In 1961, teachers weren't forbidden to use red ink because it was deemed too harsh. Gold stars had to be earned. Awards weren't given out merely because someone showed up. When we played ball among ourselves, we kept score, and while we might argue whether a ball was fair or foul and whether a runner was safe or out, at the end of the day no one on the losing team whined because they lost. Everyone played and the kid who was picked last didn't show ill effects of low self-esteem. One of our neighborhood kids had a withered arm from polio. He played. He was one of the gang. He went on to have a good career in administration for a major travel agency.
Besides, Arlene, Bennett and many of the more regular guest panelists also played to win. Arlene griped far more often than Dorothy about getting a "no" and was more likely to get it reversed than Dorothy. But Dorothy is less likely to get a pass from many of those leaving comments on this channel. It's a matter of how each one is perceived.
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@@loissimmons6558 I had just turned 1 year old. For better or worse, the school customs of your fourth grade class would feel a little dated by the time I made it to that stage in 1968.
And yet everything you mentioned seemed like it was true for me and my age mates. It was only when we all became parents that our kids faced a whole new world of school and play.
As for Dorothy... I liked her competitive nature. I didn't like her knack of dragging out her questioning though.
To the contrary, games are played to be won. Bad sportsmanship would be to pull punches and try to make the game closer. It is proper for each panelist to try their hardest
I like these but the celebrities section always seems fixed for the panel
Show-off Dorothy had to steal the 14 year old's moment in the sun. And she's so self-involved her reaction is a smug smile.
Anyway you don"t like her so whatever she will do ...
I am sure she was disappointed she could not steal candy from him and twirl her mustache
You guys need to keep you negative responses to yourselves!! No, Dorothy shouldn't have a done that, and yes she does like to be right no matter who the "victim" is, but she is liked by pretty much every person who's ever WATCHED this show
but in here defense, she only did what you (and any other person) would do in her place!!
John flipped all the cards for the life guard, which is fine, but he should have done so for the Senate page as well.
I always liked Dorothy. She was a good player and a good team player.
the young boy was from Chevy Chase MD---didnt realize Chevy's stardom started so long ago
orgonko the wildly untamed Nor did I realised that Chevy was a doctor!
You'vr got to be kidding... it's the name of a town. It's not the comedian
Michael > I bet you're fun at parties...
+Michael Danello
The town's name is Chevy Chase, and you're not.
@@loissimmons6558 Lois you ignorant ... Oh wait, wrong town.
I love the show, but John Daly talks too much and reveals too much information sometimes.
@@robertcarran9585 Gotta love Groucho! LOL
He's the master of ceremonies of course he's going to talk a lot I always enjoy it
I love John Daly!
I wish Dorothy would have faked it and let the game go on so this boy and everyone else would have had a little more fun.
Chevy Chase ?
Who's he??
@@peternagy-im4be A town in Maryland where Cornelius Crane Chase got his nickname from.
Was it me, or does this episode seem out of sync with the audio?
Doesn't look out of synch to me at all.
You're right. Must have been my internet
God...that lifeguard is a piece
Did Dorothy violate protocol by guessing the pageboy before there was a once around for everyone?
There has never been such rule. Many times the first person to start questioning guess correctly without the others being involved.
I've never heard of such "protocol". Where did this idea come from?
@@teddytodorova Yes! Right in this episode, Martin does the same with the lifeguard.
In an interview given a few years after the original show ended, Bennett said that there was an unwritten (I’m paraphrasing) rule that for a Mystery Guest they would allow all four panelists to ask one question, even if someone immediately knew who the MG was. He went on to say that Dorothy would break that rule. But Bennett himself was known to do the same thing on occasion. Anyway, apparently there was no such custom for a regular challenger.
John Daly does this often, he talks too much, unnecessarily speaking for guests who are doing just fine answering questions. Irritating. I'm surprised his producers didn't curtail this habitual behavior of his.
That's one of the things that irritates me; him speaking for everybody when they have a mouth of their own (and I'm sure even knows BETTER than John would). But even so, that doesn't irritate me NEARLY as much as when he flips over those STUPID cards for everyone!!
(to me, there's no point in even playing the GAME when he does that cause he takes all the fun out of it)!
I like him and find his verbosity charming.
Kilgallenn took only three questions to guess a fourteen year old was a page boy for the Senate. Nonprofit? Yes. Work for the government? Yes. Are you a page boy? Yes.
She most likely had inside information. 50 dollars must have been a lot of money for a teenager back then and it looks like he was cheated out of it.
Once he said he worked for a non profit organization
What else but a page boy as a job for a 14-yeat-old in the government.
Beautiful lifeguard to close the show.
I like your name. :)
@@accomplice55 - Gracias