It’s reviews like yours that helped me sell my husband on getting an Odyssey. He’s a visual person, so just reading the specs didn’t fully sink in how awesome this vehicle is. We just picked ours up on Friday.
I am still impressed with my 2003 Odyssey with 226000 miles on it. I have so many memories with my kids when young and I cannot get rid of this thing because it still runs like a dream! I will probably die first than the Odyssey.
I just rented this car for a mom and kids trip, I absolutely loved it!! The safety features, cabin camera and sound system with the DVD player were well used and appreciated!!
Just traded my Pilot for this 2020 Odyssey Elite. I don’t have kids but one test drive and I was hooked. It doesn’t sit much lower than my Pilot FWD and is SO much quieter. The ride is also smoother with good suspension and the fine-tuned 10 speed transmission. Your review helped so much to explain many of the features. Thank you. And for what it’s worth, I actually love the push button shifter! I did grab the water bottle a couple of times when trying to back up, but the solid engagement of the buttons feels intuitive to me. The Elite is loaded, but I also test drove an EXL. The handling and comfort were identical, so if you don’t need the DVD player or hands free trunk opener, you’ll still get an awesome vehicle in the lower trim. Again, thanks for the review!
Congrats Mary and I'm glad my video helped. The Odyssey is a fantastic minivan! If people can ignore the minivan sigma, I think many would choose it over the large 3 row SUVs like the Pilot.
Honda Odyssey, the best minivan beyond doubt. Best family vehicle. We have so many memories in it. We continue to do so. Ever reliable, ever smooth, almost sedan like fuel efficiency, so much storage, innumerable cup holders, theater like DVD player + wireless headphones . i can go on and on about this family hauler. Absolute best for long family road trips. Part of our family.
Troy Stocker I am sorry Toyota sucker but you are very wrong in every way.. Honda are way more reliable than Toyota’s and you wanna know how? Check the recall history of your dear Toyota’s then come back to me okay bye 👋
Excellent comprehensive review! I am considering (gasp!) switching from an SUV to a mini-van when my current lease is up -- not because I have a bunch of kids but because it seems like a well appointed MV checks all the boxes of an SUV but with more bang for the buck. Based on this review, I will definitely be checking out an Odyssey in person!
We are looking to replace our 2017 Senna xle as it goes off lease soon.. I think your video convinced us to select the Odyssey. It is not clear what trims have certain features. We like the safety parts for lane change and automatically adjusting cruise controls. We travel on i10 between Florida and California several times a year. We keep our normal speeds around 80.
The safety features are part of Honda sensing and comes on almost all the trims for the Odyssey. The upper trims gives you things like leather, vacuum, heated seats, entertainment system, etc...go test drive one and I think you'll be impressed.
side note: Paddle shifters are not "silly." they are actually really useful in case of break issues but especially when driving around in mountainous areas. Also the middle chair seats have integrated arm rests and not just on the doors because they can be moved right and left!!! 🤔
Sorry to be offtopic but does anyone know a tool to get back into an Instagram account..? I was stupid forgot the login password. I love any assistance you can offer me.
Without paddle shifters, how would you hold a particular gear? What or how would I hold 3rd gear going down a steep low speed grade? Back in the days of 3 or 4 speed automatics, we had a regular shifter/gear selector. Now we have 9 and 10 speed automatics. Think about this!!
Nice review. I think mini-vans get a bad rap. If I had small children, I would choose a mini-van over an SUV any day. Primarily because of the space and easy access.
I have a 2013 Odyssey. I think that it is the best minivan on the market. It's got great acceleration and comfortable to drive. The 2nd and 3rd row seats doesn't look and feel cheap like the others. However, the only thing that I would take points off, which I'm surprised is that it still does not have an option for AWD. The Sienna has it. Not sure what the reason would be for Honda to not make this an available option.
Look at the IIHS crash rating on the sienna. The front passenger was marginal. I did as much research as i could but from what I read Toyota has not made any real changes to reinforce it. For that very reason we are looking at Odyssey.
@@BenJammin-ht7bu the oddysey is way better for many reasons why it is the number one seller. Even though they say the transmission doesn't go as long as sienna peole still prefer the oddysey
Why can't honda add surround view camera for such a large vehicle? Due to the entertainment system, no panorama sunroof but they should at least add a second sunroof for rear passengers.
If you think a minivan is big and are incapable of operating g said vehicle without a surround view vehicle, you should probably walk. You aren't cut out for driving.
Just curious what you thought would be better between an Odyssey and CRV for single guy like me that needs cargo space for like Sams runs for work and buying materials for rental property. I'm sold on Hondas as I've had civics, then accords, now want to go up another notch but not sure if CRV or Odyssey. I know better mileage with CRV but I hear vans are more comfortable lol
For your needs it sounds like a Odyssey or Pilot or even Ridgeline. I daily drive a Ridgeline and it's great for hauling yet drive like a SUV. Pilot is plenty big for hauling and has AWD. Odyssey inside is massive for hauling people or stuff. But Odyssey does not have AWD.
@@DriversOnly the biggest advantage of the Pacifica over the Odyssey is the 360 camera. However I'm about to have 3 kids in carseats so the magic slide seats is kind of a game changer in the Odyssey lol. I drive a small sedan so either way it's going to take time to get used to driving.
Nicole Cossin engine and transmission. Not sure exactly what it was just remember my brother being angry and they will never buy a CHrysler product again. Could of been that particular car. But in regards to reliability the Honda will be much better.
I went down to cocoa honda in Merritt island Florida and they were sold out of these and told me they are all pre sold untill March of next year!!!😥 cant find one in Florida anywhere!!!!😭
Hi, Can you please let me know when the Honda Odyssey is scheduled for it's next redesign? I have been driving Honda Pilots, but I think my family might be in need of the Odyssey for a few years now. Thanks!
It's high time they have a chain drive instead of a belt drive in an Odyssey.... it's cost me around $2500 (and some change) to do a "belt-water pump-seals" change in my 2010 Odyssey. Imagine what will it cost to replace for this 2020 Odyssey model? :-(
Did you had any issue with the steering wheel and alignment? I had bought one and next day I noticed I had to steer the steering wheel to the left in order for the van to go straight. I went back to the dealership and they took care of it but while going home I noticed that the problem still was there even after it was fixed. They were super nice and changed the van for me, but that one had the same issue so the dealership contacted their partner dealership and asked them to drive one and it had the same issue as well. I ended up refunding the van.
I wish the automatic slide door is mechanical automatic instead of full electronic automatic and also maybe the instrument panel is IPad base that way you can remove with you
What I mean is that instead of using motor for moving the door which open more windows for grips. We could use spring loaded and hydraulic action or some thing elastic restoreabke way that the door move on itself when you command the switch in the control panel. Unless it is already done so that I am not aware of. It is just like a seiko automatic kinetic watch.
Defintely, minivans need AWD so they can better compete with three row crossovers. Slightly Higher tow capacities would be ideal too, anything to remove the few advantages crossovers have, and make minivans a more attractive prospect from an objective standpoint.
@@darienmiller1032 most def.. the Toyota Sienna has it the Dodge Caravan has it.. the Odyssey most definitely needs it it snows here in Jersey. My wife has a 2016 touring model an it's great but when it snows... aw... man... it sure loves getting stuck lol.
@@2R1V3R Apparently Honda's excuse for not wanting to put AWD in their Odyssey is that they would have to "comprise its minivaness" by raising the floor to make space for it. I don't buy it at all because 1) the sienna, and the older grand caravans before the one with stow and go has AWD, and they are very much minivans. 2) the Honda Odyssey sold in Japan (there are two different Odyssey's!) Not only has does their Odyssey look WAY better and come with AWD, but also as a hybrid that gets like 40-50 mpg LOL. Of course we get neither, Go figure. Look up "Honda Odyssey Mugen" if you're curious. Asian minivans are sick 🙌
Did they reinstall a second air conditioner compressor for 2020, like the setup used to be prior to this latest Odyssey iteration, where in a fit of cost-cutting, Honda very unwisely eliminated the second compressor for the rear cabin? Complaints are rife about the inadequate cooling capacity of the latest Odysseys.
Dont like how they do the seam from the sliding door to the back. Looks like a hearse, from all previous models. Going back to the 2005 the sliding door just look great.
The US version is very different to jd version. Each has their plus side. The wireless charger is a great feature. As sunroof is not popular in Japan, less n less jd n Asians version models get sunroof. Seems only popular in us n Canada.
Except it doesn't have stow and go which makes it second to Pacifica if anyone is ever owned the bandits as some of you know what gets a second seat out
have always bought honda toyota and i know what i'm talking about ... in mini van. the 2 best but i must say toyota is first and honda second ... honda fragile transmission and timing belt what is that ...
Thanks. I saw another vlog and the guy said there was a flaw with the 2019 trunk. For example if the trunk starts to accidently close and you are in the way that it continues to close. Sounds like a safety hazard. Have you heard of this?
Why honda is making the entertainment display vertical instead of having it flush to the dashboard . it look ridiculous, other car manufacturers start doing that. Who came up with this ridiculous idea and they cit out CD. People have thier CDs that they want to listen.
Great review, but I'd never buy one. I'll keep my 2003. Too much electronic crap to distract from driving, which will fail, and when the touch screen fails drop over $1000. No thanks. The new cars are just not worth the money.
I have an Igloo portable fridge. And I use my Passport radar detector. And I have two dash cams. All four use the 12v plug. I wished they had more 12v not less, and two 120v plugs.
@@EvertGuzman my point is that cigarette lighter plus are not the best choice they could have better placed and many USB or something newer and better and eliminate the crappy cig lighter plugs
@@jolly1039 in the USA the odyssey comes with either the 9 speed on lower trims or the 10 speed on higher trims. For 2020 model year it's 10 speed only. Honda doesn't offer the odyssey with CVTs in the USA.
that shifter is dogshit, complicated, could be confusing to someone and takes up valuable space. They also just jammed a tablet on the dash and called it a display. What an ugly layout.
It’s funny talk all good stuff about the van interior but you sure don’t tell the people what a peace of shit transmission is the transmission has issues just like the pilot stop the BS Honda sucks transmission sucks that’s why no one does reviews on the engine or transmission.
I like Honda's but this style looks like a funeral Hearst! The designers should have seen the lines and the way the windows are angled, they ruined a sweet sports van
It’s reviews like yours that helped me sell my husband on getting an Odyssey. He’s a visual person, so just reading the specs didn’t fully sink in how awesome this vehicle is. We just picked ours up on Friday.
How long did it take to come in or did they have it on the lot already
I am still impressed with my 2003 Odyssey with 226000 miles on it. I have so many memories with my kids when young and I cannot get rid of this thing because it still runs like a dream! I will probably die first than the Odyssey.
Wow thanks now iam buying one
I just rented this car for a mom and kids trip, I absolutely loved it!! The safety features, cabin camera and sound system with the DVD player were well used and appreciated!!
Just traded my Pilot for this 2020 Odyssey Elite. I don’t have kids but one test drive and I was hooked. It doesn’t sit much lower than my Pilot FWD and is SO much quieter. The ride is also smoother with good suspension and the fine-tuned 10 speed transmission. Your review helped so much to explain many of the features. Thank you. And for what it’s worth, I actually love the push button shifter! I did grab the water bottle a couple of times when trying to back up, but the solid engagement of the buttons feels intuitive to me. The Elite is loaded, but I also test drove an EXL. The handling and comfort were identical, so if you don’t need the DVD player or hands free trunk opener, you’ll still get an awesome vehicle in the lower trim. Again, thanks for the review!
Congrats Mary and I'm glad my video helped. The Odyssey is a fantastic minivan! If people can ignore the minivan sigma, I think many would choose it over the large 3 row SUVs like the Pilot.
Honda Odyssey, the best minivan beyond doubt. Best family vehicle. We have so many memories in it. We continue to do so. Ever reliable, ever smooth, almost sedan like fuel efficiency, so much storage, innumerable cup holders, theater like DVD player + wireless headphones . i can go on and on about this family hauler. Absolute best for long family road trips. Part of our family.
The transmission and electrical system are better in a Toyota, a Honda will be 80-90% as reliable as a Toyota
Troy Stocker I am sorry Toyota sucker but you are very wrong in every way.. Honda are way more reliable than Toyota’s and you wanna know how? Check the recall history of your dear Toyota’s then come back to me okay bye 👋
@@2013TombRaider statistically, Lexus and Toyota are 1 and 2 when it comes to reliability, the Odyssey has a much weaker transmission
@@tstocker6926 I agree
My best choice ever. interiors and exteriors very exotic indeed.
Excellent comprehensive review! I am considering (gasp!) switching from an SUV to a mini-van when my current lease is up -- not because I have a bunch of kids but because it seems like a well appointed MV checks all the boxes of an SUV but with more bang for the buck. Based on this review, I will definitely be checking out an Odyssey in person!
Found your channel the other day. I really like your reviews. I subbed. Keep up the great work!
Thanks and welcome!
great review
We are looking to replace our 2017 Senna xle as it goes off lease soon.. I think your video convinced us to select the Odyssey. It is not clear what trims have certain features. We like the safety parts for lane change and automatically adjusting cruise controls. We travel on i10 between Florida and California several times a year. We keep our normal speeds around 80.
The safety features are part of Honda sensing and comes on almost all the trims for the Odyssey. The upper trims gives you things like leather, vacuum, heated seats, entertainment system, etc...go test drive one and I think you'll be impressed.
side note: Paddle shifters are not "silly." they are actually really useful in case of break issues but especially when driving around in mountainous areas. Also the middle chair seats have integrated arm rests and not just on the doors because they can be moved right and left!!! 🤔
This makes Top 10 Least favorite vehicles compiled by Consumer Reports.
The paddle shifters (sport mode) are great for keeping the vehicle in the same gear when driving up a mountain road.
Sorry to be offtopic but does anyone know a tool to get back into an Instagram account..?
I was stupid forgot the login password. I love any assistance you can offer me.
@Raphael Edison Instablaster ;)
Soccer mom feel? That goes for SUVS as well except maybe the 4runner or land cruiser heritage.
Touche
Without paddle shifters, how would you hold a particular gear? What or how would I hold 3rd gear going down a steep low speed grade? Back in the days of 3 or 4 speed automatics, we had a regular shifter/gear selector. Now we have 9 and 10 speed automatics. Think about this!!
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Nice review. I think mini-vans get a bad rap. If I had small children, I would choose a mini-van over an SUV any day. Primarily because of the space and easy access.
I have a 2013 Odyssey. I think that it is the best minivan on the market. It's got great acceleration and comfortable to drive. The 2nd and 3rd row seats doesn't look and feel cheap like the others. However, the only thing that I would take points off, which I'm surprised is that it still does not have an option for AWD. The Sienna has it. Not sure what the reason would be for Honda to not make this an available option.
Most dont offer awd becuase they want buyers to go with suvs. But keep in mind the Sienna AWD uses run flat tires which is more costly.
Thank you so much for the great review. It was so informative - We are thinking about buying one. Between this one and sienna
Your welcome! Glad you enjoy it. Can't go wrong with either minivan but me personally I like the Odyssey better.
Look at the IIHS crash rating on the sienna. The front passenger was marginal. I did as much research as i could but from what I read Toyota has not made any real changes to reinforce it. For that very reason we are looking at Odyssey.
@@BenJammin-ht7bu the oddysey is way better for many reasons why it is the number one seller. Even though they say the transmission doesn't go as long as sienna peole still prefer the oddysey
Most important question: can I fit an 8x4 sheet of plywood flat on the floor with the seats out?
i think yes, they say can fit twin bed inside ! so is 8x4 !
Why can't honda add surround view camera for such a large vehicle? Due to the entertainment system, no panorama sunroof but they should at least add a second sunroof for rear passengers.
If you think a minivan is big and are incapable of operating g said vehicle without a surround view vehicle, you should probably walk. You aren't cut out for driving.
Sunroof is not popular in Japan. Japanese brands models if build in USA r often hv that. If import from Japan, mostly no.
Just curious what you thought would be better between an Odyssey and CRV for single guy like me that needs cargo space for like Sams runs for work and buying materials for rental property. I'm sold on Hondas as I've had civics, then accords, now want to go up another notch but not sure if CRV or Odyssey. I know better mileage with CRV but I hear vans are more comfortable lol
For your needs it sounds like a Odyssey or Pilot or even Ridgeline. I daily drive a Ridgeline and it's great for hauling yet drive like a SUV. Pilot is plenty big for hauling and has AWD. Odyssey inside is massive for hauling people or stuff. But Odyssey does not have AWD.
Great review. Im stuck between the Odyssey and Pacifica even after test driving both
Thanks. What are the pros and cons for both in your opinion?
@@DriversOnly the biggest advantage of the Pacifica over the Odyssey is the 360 camera. However I'm about to have 3 kids in carseats so the magic slide seats is kind of a game changer in the Odyssey lol. I drive a small sedan so either way it's going to take time to get used to driving.
My sister in law had a Pacifica. It was great for 3 years until it fell apart. Something for you to consider.
@@toddgersh ouch. What kind of problems did it have?
Nicole Cossin engine and transmission. Not sure exactly what it was just remember my brother being angry and they will never buy a CHrysler product again. Could of been that particular car. But in regards to reliability the Honda will be much better.
I went down to cocoa honda in Merritt island Florida and they were sold out of these and told me they are all pre sold untill March of next year!!!😥 cant find one in Florida anywhere!!!!😭
WOW! What a surprise.
I hope they add an expanded sunroof. I’m stuck between this one and the Pacifica
Pacifica is great really but bad reliability
Really? The Pacifica is in no class to this. This is a no brainer.
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Hi, Can you please let me know when the Honda Odyssey is scheduled for it's next redesign? I have been driving Honda Pilots, but I think my family might be in need of the Odyssey for a few years now. Thanks!
Wont be for a whole. It was redesigned in 2019.
Avoid buying the first year redesign for any car. Problems with the first year are usually fixed in the second or third year.
It's high time they have a chain drive instead of a belt drive in an Odyssey.... it's cost me around $2500 (and some change) to do a "belt-water pump-seals" change in my 2010 Odyssey. Imagine what will it cost to replace for this 2020 Odyssey model? :-(
Did you had any issue with the steering wheel and alignment? I had bought one and next day I noticed I had to steer the steering wheel to the left in order for the van to go straight. I went back to the dealership and they took care of it but while going home I noticed that the problem still was there even after it was fixed. They were super nice and changed the van for me, but that one had the same issue so the dealership contacted their partner dealership and asked them to drive one and it had the same issue as well. I ended up refunding the van.
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This new model is like a Big Version of Honda Mobilio
It's much better to have the air vents on the ceiling where they used to be in previous gens.
I wish the automatic slide door is mechanical automatic instead of full electronic automatic and also maybe the instrument panel is IPad base that way you can remove with you
You can turn off the power function for the sliding doors and they become manual. Is that why you mean?
What I mean is that instead of using motor for moving the door which open more windows for grips. We could use spring loaded and hydraulic action or some thing elastic restoreabke way that the door move on itself when you command the switch in the control panel. Unless it is already done so that I am not aware of. It is just like a seiko automatic kinetic watch.
Would've been nice if Honda had an AWD version like the Toyota Sienna minivan.
Yea it would but toyota sienna interior too outdated
I agree.
Defintely, minivans need AWD so they can better compete with three row crossovers. Slightly Higher tow capacities would be ideal too, anything to remove the few advantages crossovers have, and make minivans a more attractive prospect from an objective standpoint.
@@darienmiller1032 most def.. the Toyota Sienna has it the Dodge Caravan has it.. the Odyssey most definitely needs it it snows here in Jersey. My wife has a 2016 touring model an it's great but when it snows... aw... man... it sure loves getting stuck lol.
@@2R1V3R Apparently Honda's excuse for not wanting to put AWD in their Odyssey is that they would have to "comprise its minivaness" by raising the floor to make space for it. I don't buy it at all because 1) the sienna, and the older grand caravans before the one with stow and go has AWD, and they are very much minivans.
2) the Honda Odyssey sold in Japan (there are two different Odyssey's!) Not only has does their Odyssey look WAY better and come with AWD, but also as a hybrid that gets like 40-50 mpg LOL. Of course we get neither, Go figure. Look up "Honda Odyssey Mugen" if you're curious. Asian minivans are sick 🙌
Did they reinstall a second air conditioner compressor for 2020, like the setup used to be prior to this latest Odyssey iteration, where in a fit of cost-cutting, Honda very unwisely eliminated the second compressor for the rear cabin? Complaints are rife about the inadequate cooling capacity of the latest Odysseys.
英语真好
The only safety issue that I could see is how you slowed down at the "STOP" signs. Otherwise it's a very nice van.
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Dont like how they do the seam from the sliding door to the back. Looks like a hearse, from all previous models. Going back to the 2005 the sliding door just look great.
I agree it does.
The US version is very different to jd version.
Each has their plus side.
The wireless charger is a great feature.
As sunroof is not popular in Japan, less n less jd n Asians version models get sunroof. Seems only popular in us n Canada.
Auto Stop Start Technology Standard On All Trim Levels.
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@@DriversOnly check that. 13:15.
Here because of Ozark.
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Except it doesn't have stow and go which makes it second to Pacifica if anyone is ever owned the bandits as some of you know what gets a second seat out
A half hour ???
Dont like that shifter
Bruh why get a rolls Royce when you can get this.
That made me laugh 😂
Your website didn't work properly.
Others pages work fine on my phone
Apparently they have excessive faulty transmission's.
overhead monitor size is
Hearse looking back window.
日本でも発売されないかな。
i have this car but wheel chair accesible
The Crysler Pacifica Limited is the Ultimate minivan.
have always bought honda toyota and i know what i'm talking about ... in mini van. the 2 best but i must say toyota is first and honda second ... honda fragile transmission and timing belt what is that ...
Love Honda Odyssey but will buy Toyota Sienna cos of AWD.
Is there a difference between 2019 and 2020 touring?
No difference on the Touring or Elite models other than a small price increase.
Thanks. I saw another vlog and the guy said there was a flaw with the 2019 trunk. For example if the trunk starts to accidently close and you are in the way that it continues to close. Sounds like a safety hazard. Have you heard of this?
@@lawrenceszeto595 clearly you didn't even watch this video.
Equipped with 10 speed
The both have the same weak transmission
11:22 Black Sabbath
AWD, come on Honda.
Awd and it will be even better
Jd version has 360
No Stow and Go? No way. Pacifica all the way!
But it's not the 2020 model!
Civic front
Why honda is making the entertainment display vertical instead of having it flush to the dashboard . it look ridiculous, other car manufacturers start doing that. Who came up with this ridiculous idea and they cit out CD. People have thier CDs that they want to listen.
Nating new
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Great review, but I'd never buy one. I'll keep my 2003. Too much electronic crap to distract from driving, which will fail, and when the touch screen fails drop over $1000. No thanks. The new cars are just not worth the money.
What happened to ROOF RACKS?
WHY oh why do they still have cigarette lighter 12V plugs instead of USB or something Better?
Why? usb standards change everyday
I have an Igloo portable fridge. And I use my Passport radar detector. And I have two dash cams. All four use the 12v plug. I wished they had more 12v not less, and two 120v plugs.
@@EvertGuzman my point is that cigarette lighter plus are not the best choice they could have better placed and many USB or something newer and better and eliminate the crappy cig lighter plugs
The seats of Odyssey are very uncomfortable.. They are loaded with tech that will go bad fast.
It has CVT so i went with a toyota estima
Jimmy L lmfao no it doesn’t. It has a 10 speed auto. Where in the world did you get your info from...?
@@geost I got it from the tech specification while doing research what car to buy tarago or oddysey
@@jolly1039 in the USA the odyssey comes with either the 9 speed on lower trims or the 10 speed on higher trims. For 2020 model year it's 10 speed only. Honda doesn't offer the odyssey with CVTs in the USA.
My Dad would by that car of 0 miles
Too bad I it rusts two years after you get it. Good bye Honda such a shame a looser of a vehicle.
I has 2011 Honda odyssey I got a gear problem after 1,30,000 miles
Honda Odyssey Az 90-RG-065 я приеду машина документы давай я тоже я куплю да работа принес да хорошая приду
こういう肥満体のデザインは日本では確実に売れない。
Honda junk
Honda needs to get rid of the roof mount DVD screen, who uses that? Any kid older than two will use an iPad.
I use it to play porn in rush hour traffic. It annoys other commuters.
that shifter is dogshit, complicated, could be confusing to someone and takes up valuable space. They also just jammed a tablet on the dash and called it a display. What an ugly layout.
It’s funny talk all good stuff about the van interior but you sure don’t tell the people what a peace of shit transmission is the transmission has issues just like the pilot stop the BS Honda sucks transmission sucks that’s why no one does reviews on the engine or transmission.
I like Honda's but this style looks like a funeral Hearst! The designers should have seen the lines and the way the windows are angled, they ruined a sweet sports van