Lightweight vs Full analysis from an owner.... Hope this helps anyone who doesn't have an ebike yet. POWER: I rode an SL and it was under powered for my taste. Keep in mind the SL max output is only 35Nm and the Rise is almost twice that at 60Nm. My current Haibike SDuro has the Yamaha from 2017 which I think is 75Nm and even it has more power than what I need on the trail... so, I can accept a little less power in exchange for the stealthy looks and light weight. I think if you're already a mountain biker in descent shape AND you're riding ON TRAIL ONLY - the Rise should be all that you need. By comparison if you're already a FAST rider on trail without an ebike, the SL is likely all you need. FULL POWER ebikes - if you're not a good trail rider now, or have some physical injuries or difficulties, OR, if you want a bike that has power to go 17 to 19 mph on the road without much difficulty, you may want to opt "full power" bike. I can use easily all the extra power of my bike when I'm on the road and I have a steep hill to climb. I've never used full power on the trail since trail riding is just more technical and slow than road riding. RANGE: My Haibike has 500wh battery. I can tell you personal experience on the trail, I only use about 1/4 - 1/3 of this capacity per ride. On the trail I tend to ride 1 - 2 hour rides, more than that and my back is killing me. I estimate that I use 100watts of the battery per hour on the trail. Let's assume that I'm pedaling 60% of the time so when i'm pedaling, I get a 150 watt boost which should correlate to a 45Nm boost average. The SL and Rise have plenty of range for trail riding without the battery. Who can ride 5+ hours on the trail (not me)! HOWEVER - on the road, you can use the extra range. I rode 55 miles on my Haibike on the road, and depleted the battery by about 80% by riding between Eco and Std. So... if you want to pull long road rides on your e-bike, that's when the extra range comes into play. TO RECAP: Get the SL: If you're already a fast trail rider and plan to use the bike on the trail Get the Rise: If you're already a fairly strong trail rider and will use the bike mostly for the trail with some road use Get a full power bike: If you are just getting back into biking, have some physical difficulties, and / or want a bike that has the power and range for long road rides. * Note - price was not a consideration. If you need to hit a price point you'll likely need go with a full power bike and weight will play a smaller part in the decision *
Thanks for an excellent personal summary! It helps me in my decision making process. Here is a concern of mine regarding motors on eMtb: - Specialized is having HUGE sales volume, and they are having a "large" number of motor failures. their SL motor has significantly lower power than their turbo (non-SL) motor ... and I think many riders are pushing the motor to it's max limits, and burning the motors out, likely because of repeatedly OVERHEATING the small motor. - The Rise has a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger motor (if I understand correctly it is basically a detuned larger motor), and perhaps it is less likely to overheat. I dunno. Note that **I do not own either bike, but am a Professional Design Engineer** so, that said: - My thoughts are as follows: Bicycle engineers push design limits on their designs, in all areas, due to the NEED for higher performance at a lower weight & lower price. BUT, in 90% of all engineering designs (various engineering disciplines) we build in HUGE MARGINS (called a safety margin even though it rarely has to do with physical safety. Rather Safety margin = Failure margin) to prevent premature failures & a mode of failure we call infant morality. One example is pressure ratings: We would test for zero failures at 4x the rated pressure. This kind of margin is normal in the MOTOR industry. I'm thinking that 15% margin is common in the battery industry (poor heat dissipation being "the" common mode of failure) .. BUT, this is not the thinking of your typical bicycle designer.... they are likely building in a 3% or maybe a 5% "safety margin" Specialized simply needs a larger motor if they are going to tune (program) their motors to put out the kind of energy they are specifying - BUT, who am I?
loved this video, I'm after an ebike as i have arthritis and have done less riding because of it. i really need help with getting up hills let alone mountains, thanks for all the info, got my plus and minus sorted now, so off to the bike shop i go, happy riding
Nice video and review! Just took up mountain biking end of December 2020. Picked up my 2021 Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Christmas eve and am loving it!. I went for the Comp because of upgrade brakes and drivetrain which are the same as the Orbea Rise I think, Shimano SLX for both drivetrain and brakes.
Thank you so much for the great comment and I’m so delighted to hear the vids have helped, all the bikes are great choices!! Let me know what you decide!
Great comparison with one exception…you cannot fairly compare a large frame (Rise) to a medium (Levo) bike when a large frame does not fit. Size/fit is #1 consideration IMO. I have a medium frame Orbea Rise M-LTD with carbon wheels and it radically changed my riding experience!❤️🚴♀️
Yes I completely agree but unfortunately it was the only size available to test ride. So it definitely would have felt much different with the right size! 🙌
Very entertaining and informative video! I do must say your point systems are not very objective but still useful. It sounds like your last question of which one to get (you said specialized for better geo and going down), pretty much answers my question, since I don't care too much about uphill performance on an ebike. Keep up the good work!
Nice review, prob early 2022 I’m looking for my first emtb, mostly for long fireroad climbs, some single track but nothing crazy rough, and plenty 30-40km forest trail touring. I get numb hands and sore wrist and shoulders so need a riser bar and something with some sweep. Big flat wide bars are a nightmare. Do any of these bikes suit a more relaxed riding posture or maybe you know of some. I can always just swap my current bar and stem onto a new emtb!
Hi thanks for the comment! I wouldn’t be too sure about that end of the market for E bikes but I would recommend going for a lighter bike so that you’re putting less stress on the wrists and shoulders. Either of these bikes would be a good option as they are some of the lightest on the market but can still take on the gnarl. Hopefully you get sorted and let me know what you go for!!
Thanks so much for the lovely comment! Yeah I would love that!! Shot the vids on our local trails in Ticknock and also at The GAP (Glencullen Adventure Park) a class spot to bike!
From an owner: had an SL for 20 months (Feb 2020). To me, the perfect e bike. Mind you, I rarely ride in full power mode, so the extra torque on the Rise is not a draw for me. But also keep in mind: the short chainstays on the SL make *all the difference* as playful as an ebike can reasonably be. And it has great sus, fantastic downhill and in tech - I prefer it over my Evil following. Bulletproof, too - no issues except a slow returning dropper after 14 months (be aware of claimed motor issues - these are for the Levo, not the SL, as far as I can tell). With the extender I do 60 mile backcountry rides in 4000 ft + mountains. The only improvement I would look for is a slightly less whiny motor, though I barely notice it now. It will take the same performance but 5 lb lighter still to make me want something else.
@@CatMTBPilot You bet. And this video got me exploring your channel. In addition to this vid, you have really good content. Subscribed! Hope you keep it going, Cat!
Great video. Wondering the range result between the 2, with their standard batteries. please let us know once you drain the batteries on the same route. I heard the SL is so efficient, but off course smaller power output.
Rise has more W has newer cells and more power, SL uses higher voltage. From the reviews I've seen Rise has a considerably higher range, not to mention that the range extender for the Rise is way bigger.
Loved your video. I wonder if I missed a comparison on a longer climb. Which bike costs the more efford on the climb and/or uses the most power. The most time, the video shows you riding downhill. And suggests the comparison is made on downhill trails. I ride most of the time XC-trails and was wondering about the uphill performance. But i’m pleased with your test result. Keep up these nice videos. 🚵🏻♂️👍
Thanks for the info. Love Orbea but need to look at SL after this. I am more a trail rider but need 2 bikes and weight matters. What else should I demo. Thanks great vid as always
Thx for this, it was a great review and great timing as I had just started exploring the price/ spec differences on the Rise M10 versus the SL. It looks like the Orbea might appeal to the less fit or fatter fellas like myself who might be hesitating over the lack of assistance available up the climbs on the SL. I've hired an SL a couple of times and couldn't wipe the grin off my face and also ridden a 25 kg Focus which whilst heaps of fun felt like I was descening and jumping a Panzer tank...
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Excellent review. For my situation...With four Specialized dealers within 25 miles and only one Orbea dealer within 100 miles of me, I would have to give a point for dealer support to Specialized. Otherwise, my two-year old Levo SL has been trouble free and a lot of fun.
If it was your own money, you’d still be wanting to upgrade the fork and shock and possibly the brakes and dropper on the Levo SL, so the Rise is relatively better value. Nice review 👍
Very nice review good work. I own the Sworks Levo SL before the Rise came out. I spent 14k looking back now I would do the Rise for 8k with full XT and it would be better in IMO.
Hello, thanks for the great video. I am thinking about an Orbea M20. I am 90kg, I ride with normal to conservative speeds and ride mostly trails in Luxemburg which has technical parts up and down, and flows sections as well. I do a few enduro trails in the summer and about 8 afternoons on downhill tracks in a bikepark in France. Would this be a suitable option or would it be better to buy a wild fs, rail 7, merida eone forty or eone sixty? I now have a Haibike fullseven 60 from 2018 (with 27.5 wheels, 3” tires and 70nm torque) as my first emtb. Before that I didn’t ride MTB. I would like a bike that is a bit easier to do a bunny hop or small hops/jumps. And also confidence inspiring. What option would you in this case take: 140mm or 150mm fork? Or even getting another fork with 160mm? Would you change to bigger rotors?
The rise is a very capable bike and can ride pretty much anything depending on the riders skill level. It’s a very playful bike and lots of fun and from what you stated above sounds like you’d have a lot of fun on it. The Levo SL is also a really good option, slower up the hills but very capable and fun on the way down. Both bikes can be bunny hopped more easily than say a wild FS or equivalent as they’re so light and agile, basically they feel like an analogue bike with a motor. Best of both worlds!
@@CatMTBPilot Thank you for your explanation. Would you in this case upgrade the fork to 150mm, or is there not such a big difference with 140mm, that a lighter fork would be preferable?
If it was me buying this bike I’d go with the upgraded Fox 36 Factory Fork which has 150m travel and i see on the Orbea website they offer this option for +393Euro
Great review, I am looking at the Orbea H15 so around 3 kilos heavier but it has a 540 watt battery. It would be an interesting video if you did the Orbea M vs H.
Nicely made video, well done. I’m testing the SL atm and getting the Rise to try next. I really like the way the SL handles, partly due to the reduced weight. I find the standard 34’s a surprise, they are very comfortable over roots and rocks due to their slight give and paired with a DH tyre at the front one can ride most things and not get arm pump, with a nice damped feeling. Makes me think some forks maybe too stiff? The head angle is a bit steeper than what I usually ride but it hasn’t held me back so far. If I bought the bike I would keep the 34’s and fit a spacer under the head tube to slacken a bit. Something you didn’t mention I think, is Specialized integration is very good in my opinion, with uncluttered cockpit and neat integration of the motor, possibly better than Orbea. So one point to Specialized, that’s a draw then.
Thanks so much for the lovely comments! And you are spot on I had that on my list about the display and somehow I missed it when I was putting the audio together! 🤦♀️The orbea one isn’t bad but the Specialized is more intuitive. And that’s really interesting about fitting the spacer with the 34s.
My wife is 5’1” and has a small full suspension cannondale neo cujo. The problem is even though the bike is a small it’s still to big. She can’t dab well in the ruff stuff and it is stifling her confidence to ride more technical terrain and grow her skill. Even with the dropper post down she isn’t completely relaxed over the bike. I would like to sell her bike and buy a better one that fits. Do you have any recommendations? It’s tough seeing her try really hard but be limited by a bad bike fit. In our location we don’t have any bike stores with enough inventory to try different bikes so some good info upfront would really help. Thanks
Hi Brian thanks for the comment! The Specialized Kenevo I test rode was a size S3 and fitted me perfectly and I know there’s a smaller size of an S2 which would maybe suit? I’m 5ft4 and I have shorter legs and the S3 works for me because it has a very low stand over height and I can get my feet down. Also the Scott Contessa Genius E Ride 910 has a low stand over height and is female specific but I haven’t ridden it myself. And I know exactly how she feels as I had the same issue on my old Commencal Meta AM as I couldn’t get my feet completely down either. It massively affects your confidence. I wish her the best of luck and hope that you find her a perfect bike!!
Hi thanks for the review great work I’m looking at both BUT as an old bloke we just ride rail/ trails gravel and back roads here in Australia doing 30 to 100km rides, so it either will be OK I really like the Specialized app. for turning, thanks
Well it’s the Levo SL. The back story is Friday after ringing around one dealer had 1 in medium coming in late May, so over the weekend research and videos like yours I rang Monday and to put my money down, but it was already taken, ☹️☹️. Next lot were coming in next year. So Levo SL is was yesterday Monday I got one I had two to choose from Carbon on Black and Cast Berry / black. So Cast Berry is was. A short ride with my co rider and follow Caravaner but was pouring rain 🌧 after 3 weeks of Goldilocks weather not 2 hot 🥵 or 2 cold. But the bottom line is it’s great I have the power turned right down and till has the power for me. Now so bling some oil slick parts. Best wishes from Australia.
Oh that sounds so cool, and the oil slick will work a treat with that colour. I got oil slick pedals on my Kenevo and I love them!! Best of luck with the bike and congrats!! 🎉🎊
Increasing the travel of the fork can solve the issue you named. Alternatively the fork can be tuned by customizing the shimstack or even upgrading the internals. My down country bike has 120mm of travel and feels like 140mm stock after upgrading the internals and customizing the shimstack. But it still canˋt beat my 160mm stock enduro.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
Nice thoughts video on each, both great looking bikes and certainly offer something different. Not for me, as all about the bigger power ebikes but can really see the niche they fill 👍🏼
Awesome video Cat! It's great to see a good comparison between the two bikes in this class. I wish more manufacturers would get into this class to bring a bit more competition. I'm still waiting for my Orbea Rise to arrive. Not until July I'm told. But I'm really glad I ordered the Rise. I wonder if the price comparison would have been more even between your SL and the M10 model Rise instead of the M-Team? The M10 is quite a bit cheaper (at least in Canada), and has even better components than the SL for its price.
Thanks so much for the lovely comment Brendan! Yeah definitely a valid point but I suppose I was working with what I test rode. Hopefully I get to test some more! 😃
Another FANTASTIC WATCH. Cheers cat always luv your vids n doin awesome on the content n showing us all the hi's n lows of Ebikes 😍 n my dh bike is 18kg lol x
Another fun moments right :) Just by the colors i prefer the Orbea, but its personal choice. Your test ride videos are very dynamic love them; anndddd ddddd happy St Patrick :DD
Your attention to detail and well organized break down is very much appreciated! Thanks again Cat, great work and Happy St. Paddy's Day ☘ Cheers to booze and bad decisions 😛
Some are much quieter and you wouldn’t even notice. Mainly it’s on the uphill when you hear the motor. Also it may be just the hub that’s making the noise and that’s even on analogue bikes and something people love to hear as it’s cool! 🤣
It very much depends on the spec you’re going for. The Rise is anywhere from just over €5000 to under €10000 and the SL starts about the same but goes up to over €13000 for the top of the range S works!
still a very good video. But for me the comparison is distorted, Rise 2021 and Levo Sl 2020. You have to take the SL 2021 with the new up grade. Fork 36 performance elite, DPX2 and xo ,( Sorry for my English)
Thanks for the support for the vid! Yeah I could only get my hands on the 2020 SL but personally I’d still prefer the factory 36 fork and dpx2 on the rise over the new ones on the SL. Have you ridden them yourself? Thanks again!
@@CatMTBPilot yes I have the 2021 expert carbon and I passed the fork 36 150 to 160 and that changes everything it's really terrible. A gallows 35 and one hanger rentals with 30 rise
It depends what mode the EP8 is in and how heavy the rider is, there’s a significant difference in the performance if there’s a good weight difference in the riders. But yes it will be less powerful in general.
Well I believe yes but it’s does depend on the type of riding you are doing. I’d rather not be reaching the limit of the travel on certain hits and with an e bike more travel is better in my opinion! 😃
In general this depends on your style of riding and what type of riding. When it comes to eBikes 140 vs 150 will matter due to the fact that it’s havey bikes. Won’t take that much of force to bottom out a 140 fork on a eBike.
2:08 Orbea has another e-bike with 160mm travel, the Orbea Wild. The Rise is a trail bike. So why would you want a 160mm on a trail bike? And is it a trail bike anymore with 160mm travel?
Thanks so much for the comment. Yes you’re spot on about the wild but it’s a much heavier and different bike. I love the lightness and manoeuvrability of the Rise so it’s only a personal preference about the travel, yep you’re right would it be a trail bike then!?
@Pilot Girl or anyone able to comment, I’m in the market for a Levo SL and wondered if you could comment on the Comp (AL) vs. the next level up Comp Carbon. Besides the obvious weight difference, how would each bike feel/ride?
You’re spot on the 2021 does have 36’s but this model was the 2020 that I was test riding, regardless both years on the SL are 150mill travel and in the “battle” the rise would still win the point as it’s a factory fork with 150 travel whereas the SL is a performance. Obviously the whole “battle” is just my opinion and I loved both bikes and would be very happy with either! Thanks a mill for your comment, what bike do you ride yourself?
I have ridden both back to back and the rise is the much better bike and its way cheaper, you compared the lowspec levoprice with the nearly top spec orbea. Ir you compare both in top spec we have a 3k euro difference in favour of the rise. The geometry on the levo is also very old and very cramped with only 455 reach on size Large.
Good review. However, be careful comparing wH when not also factoring in the efficiency of the system. In this case, you are comparing a 48V vs a 36V system. This would have swung +1/-1 in favor of the Levo In the real world, I really thought the Orbea with 85nM was the obvious winner. However, when looking at how much they cost, how much I have to spend, and the Spec of those bikes (along with SW/Motor interfaces)... the Levo SL Carbon (not expert) took my money... with the note I have a lot of parts (Code brakes, seat post) that I have to replace. :( Thanks for the review!
Great video and riding, thanks. But I don't understand the rating, you can order the rise with a 150 fork if you like to and the size of the bike is up to you also. For the price, I personally will give 0 points, they are both way to expensive... :-)
Thanks a mill for the comment, both bikes tested had 150 forks but I definitely preferred the factory 36s on the orbea. And you’re spot on with the size of course, the battle was only my opinion and what suited me and I would be more than happy with either bike but I would agree the price is a bit outside my own price range!
Surprise twist ending! The whole time I'm thinking she's gonna pick the Rise as her personal favorite, especially considering she said her regular bike is also an Orbea. I thought maybe you're a brand loyalist. I totally failed to consider how that may actually influence you in the opposite direction and make you want to try the Levo SL, since you're already well aware of how Orbea's ride and what they feel like out on the trail. All things considered I'd probably do the same, and if my personal regular bike was a Stump Jumper Evo I'd go with the Orbea Rise hahaha. After all variety is the spice of life right?
Actually they do in the Orbea Rise. The sizes are Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large. For the Rallon they only do a small/medium. But thank you for your comment and for watching the video! 😃
Nice comparison. However the Rise is more expensive but had much better spec parts that cost more upfront. Weight is close but I think Levo SL is lighter even with same spec tires and fork. On the warranty, Orbea offers "life time warranty" when you register the bike for the first owner. Not sure how good of an warranty it is but I hope it works. Waiting on my M-Team Rise to arrive🙏🏻
Thanks for the comment! Yep I was aware about that, having ridden a couple of e bikes now and having to already replace the shimano motor on the commencal I feel the warranty on the motor itself is very important with e bikes.
Just my opinion, but an unfair comparison. One of the bikes was the wrong size, and the spec level was not the same. M10 in matching size would have been a closer comparison.
Thanks Owen, yeah defo see your point alright. These were the two bikes I had to test ride and it’s only my opinion on how they did for me. Loved both of them and anyone lucky enough to be buying one will love them! 😃
Thanks for the comments Jimmy, good points thou the MLTD is a fair increase in cost. I think you said you were getting one in a previous comment. Did it arrive yet?? Hope you’re having a ball on it. 😃
@Jimmy Curry The problem with the weight of the M-LTD is that the standard configuration (the one they use for the weight they show in their maketing material) includes *much* lighter cross country tyres, DPS rear shock and two piston brakes with 180 disks (instead of DPX2, 4-piston brakes and 200 mm disks like on the SL, heavier but a better choice for an enduro bike). It's very difficult for the Orbea to compete on weight with the SL using the much heavier Shimano EP8 motor... They use components more suited for a cross country bike to try and compensate for that. Since the M10 is not the model they use for showing the weight in their marketing material, the correct components are standard on the M10 (other than the tyres). Other than that I think she used a 2020 Levo SL Expert Carbon for testing since the 2021 model comes with FOX 36 fork and DPX2 shock...
Thanks for an excellent personal summary! It helps me in my decision making process. Here is a concern of mine regarding **motors* on eMtb: - Specialized is having HUGE sales volume, and they are having a "large" number of motor failures. their SL motor has significantly lower power than their turbo (non-SL) motor (and lower than the Rise motor too) ... and I am thinking many riders are pushing the motor to it's max limits, and burning the motors out, likely because of REPEATEDLY OVERHEATING the small, under-power motor. Maybe. - The Rise has a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger motor (if I understand correctly it is basically a detuned larger motor), and perhaps it is less likely to overheat. I dunno. Note that **I do not own either bike, but am a Professional Design Engineer** so, that said: - My thoughts are as follows: Bicycle engineers push design limits on their designs, in all areas, due to the NEED for higher performance at a lower weight & lower price. BUT, in 90% of all engineering designs (various engineering disciplines) we build in HUGE MARGINS (called a safety margin even though it rarely has to do with physical safety. Rather Safety margin = Failure margin) to prevent premature failures & a mode of failure we call infant morality. One example is pressure ratings: We would test for zero failures at 4x the rated pressure. This kind of margin is normal in the MOTOR industry. I'm thinking that 15% margin is common in the battery industry (poor heat dissipation being "the" common mode of failure) .. - BUT, this is not the thinking of your typical bicycle designer.... they are likely building in a 3% or maybe a 5% "safety margin" Oops!!! Perhaps Specialized simply needs a larger motor if they are going to tune (program) their motors to put out the kind of energy they are claiming (specifying) - BUT HEY: who am I?
Ah I’m delighted you liked the video and that’s extremely interesting what you’re saying about the motors, thanks so much for taking the time to explain it! 👊🙌
Great analysis on the motor aspect. Now you’re making me think twice if i should get the SL. Then again O Rise is not readily available here locally in California…SL is back in the table lol
@@dongkapuyawn5107 Yeah. And I ride the Leftist coastal states too. I see what the shops have in stock, here, and will not make that a factor in my choice. I'll just continue to ride my Stumpy til I order what I want... and the more I look and test ride, the less I like the lower power of the SL. There simply are so many rides, sections of trail, that would benefit from higher torque. I'm less concerned with battery life, although that will likely change because eMtn'ing seems to encourage longer rides, more saddle-time, & even doing the same trail a second time because you aren't rung out from the climbs. I have taken 11 test rides on eMtnBikes, and the Specialized options are at the top of the list. Sadly I havent had a chance to test ride the Orbea Rise :(( the YT channel the Loam Wolf did a shoot out between these two bikes .....
Yeah I can see that alright, especially with an e bike. I’ve been very lucky so far with my Kenevo but having Specialized around the corner to call into if anything does go wrong is a big comfort.
Yes I think you’re right, the tyre was not the original spec and I think there was some extra tubeless fluid in one of the tyres too so that would defo add to the weight.
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Lightweight vs Full analysis from an owner.... Hope this helps anyone who doesn't have an ebike yet.
POWER: I rode an SL and it was under powered for my taste. Keep in mind the SL max output is only 35Nm and the Rise is almost twice that at 60Nm. My current Haibike SDuro has the Yamaha from 2017 which I think is 75Nm and even it has more power than what I need on the trail... so, I can accept a little less power in exchange for the stealthy looks and light weight. I think if you're already a mountain biker in descent shape AND you're riding ON TRAIL ONLY - the Rise should be all that you need. By comparison if you're already a FAST rider on trail without an ebike, the SL is likely all you need. FULL POWER ebikes - if you're not a good trail rider now, or have some physical injuries or difficulties, OR, if you want a bike that has power to go 17 to 19 mph on the road without much difficulty, you may want to opt "full power" bike. I can use easily all the extra power of my bike when I'm on the road and I have a steep hill to climb. I've never used full power on the trail since trail riding is just more technical and slow than road riding.
RANGE: My Haibike has 500wh battery. I can tell you personal experience on the trail, I only use about 1/4 - 1/3 of this capacity per ride. On the trail I tend to ride 1 - 2 hour rides, more than that and my back is killing me. I estimate that I use 100watts of the battery per hour on the trail. Let's assume that I'm pedaling 60% of the time so when i'm pedaling, I get a 150 watt boost which should correlate to a 45Nm boost average. The SL and Rise have plenty of range for trail riding without the battery. Who can ride 5+ hours on the trail (not me)! HOWEVER - on the road, you can use the extra range. I rode 55 miles on my Haibike on the road, and depleted the battery by about 80% by riding between Eco and Std. So... if you want to pull long road rides on your e-bike, that's when the extra range comes into play.
TO RECAP:
Get the SL: If you're already a fast trail rider and plan to use the bike on the trail
Get the Rise: If you're already a fairly strong trail rider and will use the bike mostly for the trail with some road use
Get a full power bike: If you are just getting back into biking, have some physical difficulties, and / or want a bike that has the power and range for long road rides.
* Note - price was not a consideration. If you need to hit a price point you'll likely need go with a full power bike and weight will play a smaller part in the decision *
Thanks for an excellent personal summary! It helps me in my decision making process.
Here is a concern of mine regarding motors on eMtb:
- Specialized is having HUGE sales volume, and they are having a "large" number of motor failures. their SL motor has significantly lower power than their turbo (non-SL) motor ... and I think many riders are pushing the motor to it's max limits, and burning the motors out, likely because of repeatedly OVERHEATING the small motor.
- The Rise has a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger motor (if I understand correctly it is basically a detuned larger motor), and perhaps it is less likely to overheat. I dunno.
Note that **I do not own either bike, but am a Professional Design Engineer** so, that said:
- My thoughts are as follows: Bicycle engineers push design limits on their designs, in all areas, due to the NEED for higher performance at a lower weight & lower price. BUT, in 90% of all engineering designs (various engineering disciplines) we build in HUGE MARGINS (called a safety margin even though it rarely has to do with physical safety. Rather Safety margin = Failure margin) to prevent premature failures & a mode of failure we call infant morality. One example is pressure ratings: We would test for zero failures at 4x the rated pressure. This kind of margin is normal in the MOTOR industry. I'm thinking that 15% margin is common in the battery industry (poor heat dissipation being "the" common mode of failure) .. BUT, this is not the thinking of your typical bicycle designer.... they are likely building in a 3% or maybe a 5% "safety margin"
Specialized simply needs a larger motor if they are going to tune (program) their motors to put out the kind of energy they are specifying
- BUT, who am I?
thanks that very simple and helpful - makes sense
The extra power of the rise make it enough for choosing a rise, if you ride with other ebike this make huge difference.
loved this video, I'm after an ebike as i have arthritis and have done less riding because of it. i really need help with getting up hills let alone mountains, thanks for all the info, got my plus and minus sorted now, so off to the bike shop i go, happy riding
Ah I’m delighted it helped with the decision and the very best of luck with your purchase! Thanks so much for watching. 🙌🙌
@@CatMTBPilot thank you
Going to shop on sat to find my size
I liked that we got to watch you guys shred some trails while doing the review instead of look at stationary bikes. Those trails look a blast to ride!
Ah thanks so much for the lovely comment! Yeah they are amazing trails, we are so lucky to have them so close by!
@@CatMTBPilot where are these trails located actually?
@@pjoy8894 the trails are at The GAP and in Ticknock that we were riding here!
Best review I have watched of these two bikes. Thanks for your honesty👍
Ah thank you for the lovely comment! 🙌😃
Very professional experience watching this..thanks so much..hi all the way from New Zealand
Omg I love New Zealand, we were there for part of our honeymoon and can’t wait to go back again. Thanks so much for tuning in! 🙌
I like your point of view on bikes. It is close to mine and therefore very helpful to me.
Ah that’s great, delighted that it helps you out! 😃
Nice video and review! Just took up mountain biking end of December 2020. Picked up my 2021 Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Christmas eve and am loving it!. I went for the Comp because of upgrade brakes and drivetrain which are the same as the Orbea Rise I think, Shimano SLX for both drivetrain and brakes.
Thanks so much for the lovely comment and congrats on a great choice of bike, enjoy!!
Fantastic channel with great reviews, top quality. Can’t decide between Rise, Wild or Trek Rail but this has helped
Thank you so much for the great comment and I’m so delighted to hear the vids have helped, all the bikes are great choices!! Let me know what you decide!
Great comparison with one exception…you cannot fairly compare a large frame (Rise) to a medium (Levo) bike when a large frame does not fit. Size/fit is #1 consideration IMO. I have a medium frame Orbea Rise M-LTD with carbon wheels and it radically changed my riding experience!❤️🚴♀️
Yes I completely agree but unfortunately it was the only size available to test ride. So it definitely would have felt much different with the right size! 🙌
Great video, thanks a million. Currently trying to decide between these two
Ah brill delighted it helped!! 🙌😃
Great to see an Irish MTB channel, nice work!
Thank you so much for the support!! 😃
Great video! Excellent footage of the mountain bike trails.
Ah thanks so much Shane!!
Very entertaining and informative video! I do must say your point systems are not very objective but still useful. It sounds like your last question of which one to get (you said specialized for better geo and going down), pretty much answers my question, since I don't care too much about uphill performance on an ebike. Keep up the good work!
Ah thanks for the lovely comment and glad you enjoyed the vid!
EBikes, Pretty Blondes and a sterling comparison video, what's not to like!!! Subscribed! :)
Ha ha! Ah thanks for the lovely comment and the subscribe! 😃
Nice review, prob early 2022 I’m looking for my first emtb, mostly for long fireroad climbs, some single track but nothing crazy rough, and plenty 30-40km forest trail touring. I get numb hands and sore wrist and shoulders so need a riser bar and something with some sweep. Big flat wide bars are a nightmare. Do any of these bikes suit a more relaxed riding posture or maybe you know of some. I can always just swap my current bar and stem onto a new emtb!
Hi thanks for the comment! I wouldn’t be too sure about that end of the market for E bikes but I would recommend going for a lighter bike so that you’re putting less stress on the wrists and shoulders. Either of these bikes would be a good option as they are some of the lightest on the market but can still take on the gnarl. Hopefully you get sorted and let me know what you go for!!
Seeing what you ride his helpful to put your review into perspective. I didn’t see any technical climbing, which will be a big factor for me.
Thanks so much for watching! 🙌
Amazing breakdown of each bike. I love it. Thanks!
Thanks so much Bernardo!!
great watch - both great bikes - maybe you can try the Rothwild RX375 next time. Where is this fabulous bike park?
Thanks so much for the lovely comment! Yeah I would love that!! Shot the vids on our local trails in Ticknock and also at The GAP (Glencullen Adventure Park) a class spot to bike!
From an owner: had an SL for 20 months (Feb 2020). To me, the perfect e bike. Mind you, I rarely ride in full power mode, so the extra torque on the Rise is not a draw for me. But also keep in mind: the short chainstays on the SL make *all the difference* as playful as an ebike can reasonably be. And it has great sus, fantastic downhill and in tech - I prefer it over my Evil following. Bulletproof, too - no issues except a slow returning dropper after 14 months (be aware of claimed motor issues - these are for the Levo, not the SL, as far as I can tell). With the extender I do 60 mile backcountry rides in 4000 ft + mountains. The only improvement I would look for is a slightly less whiny motor, though I barely notice it now. It will take the same performance but 5 lb lighter still to make me want something else.
Thanks so much for the great comment! Very helpful. 🙌👊
@@CatMTBPilot You bet. And this video got me exploring your channel. In addition to this vid, you have really good content. Subscribed! Hope you keep it going, Cat!
Great review, great riding trail, very good narration.
Thanks so much for watching! 🥰🙌
Great video.
Wondering the range result between the 2, with their standard batteries. please let us know once you drain the batteries on the same route. I heard the SL is so efficient, but off course smaller power output.
Thank you so much for the lovely comment! Unfortunately I only had the bikes for a test ride so won’t be able to give you that info.
Rise has more W has newer cells and more power, SL uses higher voltage. From the reviews I've seen Rise has a considerably higher range, not to mention that the range extender for the Rise is way bigger.
You shred and those trails look brilliant.
Thank you so much for the lovely comment! 😃
Loved your video. I wonder if I missed a comparison on a longer climb. Which bike costs the more efford on the climb and/or uses the most power. The most time, the video shows you riding downhill. And suggests the comparison is made on downhill trails. I ride most of the time XC-trails and was wondering about the uphill performance. But i’m pleased with your test result. Keep up these nice videos. 🚵🏻♂️👍
Thanks for the lovely comment! The Rise would be better for the uphills as it has a more powerful motor and a slightly bigger battery too!
Thanks for the info. Love Orbea but need to look at SL after this. I am more a trail rider but need 2 bikes and weight matters. What else should I demo. Thanks great vid as always
Thanks for the lovely comment. I’ll have a think about that and get back to you!
Thx for this, it was a great review and great timing as I had just started exploring the price/ spec differences on the Rise M10 versus the SL.
It looks like the Orbea might appeal to the less fit or fatter fellas like myself who might be hesitating over the lack of assistance available up the climbs on the SL.
I've hired an SL a couple of times and couldn't wipe the grin off my face and also ridden a 25 kg Focus which whilst heaps of fun felt like I was descening and jumping a Panzer tank...
Thanks so much for the support! They’re both great bikes but I like how you’ve put it! 🤣
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I stupidly lost my account password. I would love any tricks you can give me.
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Excellent review. For my situation...With four Specialized dealers within 25 miles and only one Orbea dealer within 100 miles of me, I would have to give a point for dealer support to Specialized. Otherwise, my two-year old Levo SL has been trouble free and a lot of fun.
Thanks so much for watching and the lovely comment! Glad your Levo has been trouble free too! 🙌🙌
Great vid. Wondering where you got that digital measure thing from?
Thanks for the lovely comment! We actually got that as a present but I’ll see if I can find a link to it and get back to you!
If it was your own money, you’d still be wanting to upgrade the fork and shock and possibly the brakes and dropper on the Levo SL, so the Rise is relatively better value. Nice review 👍
Thanks for the comment! Yeah you’d have a point there I think!!
Another great video guys!! Unfortunately the tree out my garden hasn’t started to produce money yet. Here’s hoping 🤞😂😂
Thanks so much Rob!! Yeah one of those trees would be great!
Very nice review good work. I own the Sworks Levo SL before the Rise came out. I spent 14k looking back now I would do the Rise for 8k with full XT and it would be better in IMO.
Thanks so much for the lovely comment! That’s some bike thou in fairness you lucky thing!!
Excellent video again, Cat!!!! Thank you!!
Ah thanks so much Bernie! 😘
Hello, thanks for the great video. I am thinking about an Orbea M20. I am 90kg, I ride with normal to conservative speeds and ride mostly trails in Luxemburg which has technical parts up and down, and flows sections as well. I do a few enduro trails in the summer and about 8 afternoons on downhill tracks in a bikepark in France. Would this be a suitable option or would it be better to buy a wild fs, rail 7, merida eone forty or eone sixty? I now have a Haibike fullseven 60 from 2018 (with 27.5 wheels, 3” tires and 70nm torque) as my first emtb. Before that I didn’t ride MTB. I would like a bike that is a bit easier to do a bunny hop or small hops/jumps. And also confidence inspiring.
What option would you in this case take: 140mm or 150mm fork? Or even getting another fork with 160mm?
Would you change to bigger rotors?
The rise is a very capable bike and can ride pretty much anything depending on the riders skill level. It’s a very playful bike and lots of fun and from what you stated above sounds like you’d have a lot of fun on it. The Levo SL is also a really good option, slower up the hills but very capable and fun on the way down. Both bikes can be bunny hopped more easily than say a wild FS or equivalent as they’re so light and agile, basically they feel like an analogue bike with a motor. Best of both worlds!
@@CatMTBPilot Thank you for your explanation. Would you in this case upgrade the fork to 150mm, or is there not such a big difference with 140mm, that a lighter fork would be preferable?
If it was me buying this bike I’d go with the upgraded Fox 36 Factory Fork which has 150m travel and i see on the Orbea website they offer this option for +393Euro
@@CatMTBPilot That seems to be a great option indeed.
Great review, I am looking at the Orbea H15 so around 3 kilos heavier but it has a 540 watt battery. It would be an interesting video if you did the Orbea M vs H.
Thanks so much for watching! I’d love to but would need access to the bikes. 🙌
Great skills - love the video.
Thank you so much for watching and the lovely comment! 😃
Nicely made video, well done. I’m testing the SL atm and getting the Rise to try next. I really like the way the SL handles, partly due to the reduced weight. I find the standard 34’s a surprise, they are very comfortable over roots and rocks due to their slight give and paired with a DH tyre at the front one can ride most things and not get arm pump, with a nice damped feeling. Makes me think some forks maybe too stiff? The head angle is a bit steeper than what I usually ride but it hasn’t held me back so far. If I bought the bike I would keep the 34’s and fit a spacer under the head tube to slacken a bit.
Something you didn’t mention I think, is Specialized integration is very good in my opinion, with uncluttered cockpit and neat integration of the motor, possibly better than Orbea. So one point to Specialized, that’s a draw then.
Thanks so much for the lovely comments! And you are spot on I had that on my list about the display and somehow I missed it when I was putting the audio together! 🤦♀️The orbea one isn’t bad but the Specialized is more intuitive. And that’s really interesting about fitting the spacer with the 34s.
@@CatMTBPilot Mixed wheelsize would also be something I might try.
Yeah I like the mullet idea alright! Have you tried it or if you do let me know. Thinking of doing that with the Commencal Meta Power SX.
My wife is 5’1” and has a small full suspension cannondale neo cujo. The problem is even though the bike is a small it’s still to big. She can’t dab well in the ruff stuff and it is stifling her confidence to ride more technical terrain and grow her skill. Even with the dropper post down she isn’t completely relaxed over the bike. I would like to sell her bike and buy a better one that fits. Do you have any recommendations? It’s tough seeing her try really hard but be limited by a bad bike fit. In our location we don’t have any bike stores with enough inventory to try different bikes so some good info upfront would really help. Thanks
Hi Brian thanks for the comment! The Specialized Kenevo I test rode was a size S3 and fitted me perfectly and I know there’s a smaller size of an S2 which would maybe suit? I’m 5ft4 and I have shorter legs and the S3 works for me because it has a very low stand over height and I can get my feet down. Also the Scott Contessa Genius E Ride 910 has a low stand over height and is female specific but I haven’t ridden it myself. And I know exactly how she feels as I had the same issue on my old Commencal Meta AM as I couldn’t get my feet completely down either. It massively affects your confidence. I wish her the best of luck and hope that you find her a perfect bike!!
@@CatMTBPilot thanks! Gives us a great starting point!
It's a great review, where did you do the testing?
Thank you so much! The trails were a mix between Ticknock and The GAP. Great spots for riding!
Hi thanks for the review great work I’m looking at both BUT as an old bloke we just ride rail/ trails gravel and back roads here in Australia doing 30 to 100km rides, so it either will be OK I really like the Specialized app. for turning, thanks
Ah thanks so much for the lovely comment! And let me know what you go for in the end!!
Well it’s the Levo SL. The back story is Friday after ringing around one dealer had 1 in medium coming in late May, so over the weekend research and videos like yours I rang Monday and to put my money down, but it was already taken, ☹️☹️. Next lot were coming in next year. So Levo SL is was yesterday Monday I got one I had two to choose from Carbon on Black and Cast Berry / black. So Cast Berry is was. A short ride with my co rider and follow Caravaner but was pouring rain 🌧 after 3 weeks of Goldilocks weather not 2 hot 🥵 or 2 cold. But the bottom line is it’s great I have the power turned right down and till has the power for me. Now so bling some oil slick parts. Best wishes from Australia.
Oh that sounds so cool, and the oil slick will work a treat with that colour. I got oil slick pedals on my Kenevo and I love them!! Best of luck with the bike and congrats!! 🎉🎊
Love my SL never rode the orbea but does look the part
Both great bikes alright! Enjoy your SL, good choice!
Great review and fantastic riding🤙
Thank you so much for the lovely comment! 😃
Increasing the travel of the fork can solve the issue you named. Alternatively the fork can be tuned by customizing the shimstack or even upgrading the internals. My down country bike has 120mm of travel and feels like 140mm stock after upgrading the internals and customizing the shimstack. But it still canˋt beat my 160mm stock enduro.
Cool, that sounds very interesting and not something I knew about!
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
Delighted you love your bike! And thanks for watching. 🙌
Best video yet! So much fun 🤩
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Great content!! Can you please compare these bikes with Lapierre eZesty? Thanks 👍
Thanks so much for the comment! I’ll have to get my hands on one but I would love to test ride it as it looks like an amazing bike.
Nice thoughts video on each, both great looking bikes and certainly offer something different. Not for me, as all about the bigger power ebikes but can really see the niche they fill 👍🏼
Thanks so much for the lovely comment! I think I’m with you about the more powerful ones, if I’m to actually invest in an e bike!
Wow you where going with the Orbea in L. May I ask how tall you are?
Yes it was definitely too big for me but was the only model available to test ride! I’m 5ft 4.
Awesome video Cat! It's great to see a good comparison between the two bikes in this class. I wish more manufacturers would get into this class to bring a bit more competition. I'm still waiting for my Orbea Rise to arrive. Not until July I'm told. But I'm really glad I ordered the Rise.
I wonder if the price comparison would have been more even between your SL and the M10 model Rise instead of the M-Team? The M10 is quite a bit cheaper (at least in Canada), and has even better components than the SL for its price.
Thanks so much for the lovely comment Brendan! Yeah definitely a valid point but I suppose I was working with what I test rode. Hopefully I get to test some more! 😃
Another FANTASTIC WATCH. Cheers cat always luv your vids n doin awesome on the content n showing us all the hi's n lows of Ebikes 😍 n my dh bike is 18kg lol x
Thanks so much for the lovely comments Dizzy!! 😃
@@CatMTBPilot my pleasure x iv got that big decisions nxt yr on which Ebike to buy x so THANKS x
Oh lovely you must let me know what you go for! Exciting!!
@@CatMTBPilot will do Cat but app avin 4 bikes already maybe a problem 😂😂😂😂😂
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Another fun moments right :) Just by the colors i prefer the Orbea, but its personal choice. Your test ride videos are very dynamic love them; anndddd ddddd happy St Patrick :DD
Thank you so much! Happy St Patrick’s Day to you too!
Your attention to detail and well organized break down is very much appreciated! Thanks again Cat, great work and Happy St. Paddy's Day ☘ Cheers to booze and bad decisions 😛
Thanks so much Sean! And happy belated St. Patrick’s to you, hope you had a great day!
My SL Expert carbon 2021 has fox 36, Roval ally wheels, and crappy Sram Code RS brakes. Good bike!! once the XT brakes are fitted.
That’s class. A great bike alright!
Do all e bikes have that odd sound when you are not pedaling? Thank you!
Some are much quieter and you wouldn’t even notice. Mainly it’s on the uphill when you hear the motor. Also it may be just the hub that’s making the noise and that’s even on analogue bikes and something people love to hear as it’s cool! 🤣
Good comparison! Love Mtb and love who like that!…
Ah thanks so much for watching! 🙌
Please tell me how to buy the rallon bike size sm (model 2018) used or new( good than)! Thanks so much!
What is the price dirffenet between These two bikey?
It very much depends on the spec you’re going for. The Rise is anywhere from just over €5000 to under €10000 and the SL starts about the same but goes up to over €13000 for the top of the range S works!
Great review 👍
Thank you so much!!
Great review of two good bikes - very clearly compared- big ‘well done’
Ah thank you so much for that lovely comment. 😃
New subb here well done Lass.
Thank you so much! 😃
still a very good video.
But for me the comparison is distorted, Rise 2021 and Levo Sl 2020. You have to take the SL 2021 with the new up grade. Fork 36 performance elite, DPX2 and xo ,( Sorry for my English)
Thanks for the support for the vid! Yeah I could only get my hands on the 2020 SL but personally I’d still prefer the factory 36 fork and dpx2 on the rise over the new ones on the SL. Have you ridden them yourself? Thanks again!
@@CatMTBPilot yes I have the 2021 expert carbon and I passed the fork 36 150 to 160 and that changes everything it's really terrible. A gallows 35 and one hanger rentals with 30 rise
Oh cool!! Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking to change to 160 on the forks, so it made a big difference?
Thanks. Hopefully you're back to work now.
I am and it’s flat out but can’t complain as it’s lovely to be back in the skies. Just need to find some time for videos thou! 🤣
With setting it to the highest power profile and in in turbo mode, is it noticeable less powerful than a bike with the EP8 motor?
It depends what mode the EP8 is in and how heavy the rider is, there’s a significant difference in the performance if there’s a good weight difference in the riders. But yes it will be less powerful in general.
Does 140 or 150 realy make any difference? If yes: why
Well I believe yes but it’s does depend on the type of riding you are doing. I’d rather not be reaching the limit of the travel on certain hits and with an e bike more travel is better in my opinion! 😃
In general this depends on your style of riding and what type of riding. When it comes to eBikes 140 vs 150 will matter due to the fact that it’s havey bikes. Won’t take that much of force to bottom out a 140 fork on a eBike.
thx for the info. how tall are you?
Hi Stew, I’m 5ft 4 but I think I have shorter than average legs! 😃
Thank you, very well explained lovely👏👏. New subscriber here - good luck.
Thank you so much!! That’s brilliant news. 😃
@@CatMTBPilot My Pleasure✌
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2:08 Orbea has another e-bike with 160mm travel, the Orbea Wild. The Rise is a trail bike. So why would you want a 160mm on a trail bike? And is it a trail bike anymore with 160mm travel?
Thanks so much for the comment. Yes you’re spot on about the wild but it’s a much heavier and different bike. I love the lightness and manoeuvrability of the Rise so it’s only a personal preference about the travel, yep you’re right would it be a trail bike then!?
@@CatMTBPilot I get it. I had to ask to understand. Thanx for reply.
Ideal bike for my light weight wife that looks about the same size as you but not so much chunky me!
🤣 Ah they are great bikes, you’d both love them I’m sure!
@Pilot Girl or anyone able to comment, I’m in the market for a Levo SL and wondered if you could comment on the Comp (AL) vs. the next level up Comp Carbon. Besides the obvious weight difference, how would each bike feel/ride?
I haven’t ridden the AL version but it looks like a class bike. I have an AL Kenevo and I ❤️ it.
Did you get a go on a full fat Levo Cat?
Not yet but here’s hoping!! 😃
wait, what year is this ???? the SL comes with the 36 fork now, not the 34, that is just not accurate.
You’re spot on the 2021 does have 36’s but this model was the 2020 that I was test riding, regardless both years on the SL are 150mill travel and in the “battle” the rise would still win the point as it’s a factory fork with 150 travel whereas the SL is a performance. Obviously the whole “battle” is just my opinion and I loved both bikes and would be very happy with either! Thanks a mill for your comment, what bike do you ride yourself?
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I have ridden both back to back and the rise is the much better bike and its way cheaper, you compared the lowspec levoprice with the nearly top spec orbea. Ir you compare both in top spec we have a 3k euro difference in favour of the rise.
The geometry on the levo is also very old and very cramped with only 455 reach on size Large.
Thanks for the comment!
What about range?
Both bikes lasted well over three hours but we weren’t specifically focusing on the range for either bike on this occasion.
@@CatMTBPilot Thanks. Enjoyed the video even though I have a Rail 5 full on emtb
Good review. However, be careful comparing wH when not also factoring in the efficiency of the system. In this case, you are comparing a 48V vs a 36V system. This would have swung +1/-1 in favor of the Levo
In the real world, I really thought the Orbea with 85nM was the obvious winner. However, when looking at how much they cost, how much I have to spend, and the Spec of those bikes (along with SW/Motor interfaces)... the Levo SL Carbon (not expert) took my money... with the note I have a lot of parts (Code brakes, seat post) that I have to replace. :(
Thanks for the review!
Thanks a mill for the comment!
Great video and riding, thanks. But I don't understand the rating, you can order the rise with a 150 fork if you like to and the size of the bike is up to you also. For the price, I personally will give 0 points, they are both way to expensive... :-)
Thanks a mill for the comment, both bikes tested had 150 forks but I definitely preferred the factory 36s on the orbea. And you’re spot on with the size of course, the battle was only my opinion and what suited me and I would be more than happy with either bike but I would agree the price is a bit outside my own price range!
Sorry struggling to listen cos you rippin lass !!!!
🤣🤣, ah thanks very much!!
BTW, I thought Orbea claimed the Rise is 16 KG ?
I suppose it depends on the set up of wheels etc... and obviously going for the top spec model! 😃
i can't understand how you can ride this fast and not die!!
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Surprise twist ending! The whole time I'm thinking she's gonna pick the Rise as her personal favorite, especially considering she said her regular bike is also an Orbea. I thought maybe you're a brand loyalist. I totally failed to consider how that may actually influence you in the opposite direction and make you want to try the Levo SL, since you're already well aware of how Orbea's ride and what they feel like out on the trail. All things considered I'd probably do the same, and if my personal regular bike was a Stump Jumper Evo I'd go with the Orbea Rise hahaha. After all variety is the spice of life right?
Ha ha thanks for the comment! Yeah in fairness they are both absolutely great bikes but you’re always going to have a personal preference.
Comparing the size ? why ? Orbea doesn’t exists in size M ?
Actually they do in the Orbea Rise. The sizes are Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large. For the Rallon they only do a small/medium. But thank you for your comment and for watching the video! 😃
Nice comparison. However the Rise is more expensive but had much better spec parts that cost more upfront. Weight is close but I think Levo SL is lighter even with same spec tires and fork. On the warranty, Orbea offers "life time warranty" when you register the bike for the first owner. Not sure how good of an warranty it is but I hope it works. Waiting on my M-Team Rise to arrive🙏🏻
Ah you must be so excited, congrats on a great bike!! Thanks for the comments!
Did you knew that Orbea offers lifetime warranty for the frame???
Thanks for the comment! Yep I was aware about that, having ridden a couple of e bikes now and having to already replace the shimano motor on the commencal I feel the warranty on the motor itself is very important with e bikes.
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Just my opinion, but an unfair comparison. One of the bikes was the wrong size, and the spec level was not the same. M10 in matching size would have been a closer comparison.
Thanks Owen, yeah defo see your point alright. These were the two bikes I had to test ride and it’s only my opinion on how they did for me. Loved both of them and anyone lucky enough to be buying one will love them! 😃
Thanks for the comments Jimmy, good points thou the MLTD is a fair increase in cost. I think you said you were getting one in a previous comment. Did it arrive yet?? Hope you’re having a ball on it. 😃
Ah cool dying to see that! You can send it to me on insta if you like? I’m @catmtbpilot
@Jimmy Curry The problem with the weight of the M-LTD is that the standard configuration (the one they use for the weight they show in their maketing material) includes *much* lighter cross country tyres, DPS rear shock and two piston brakes with 180 disks (instead of DPX2, 4-piston brakes and 200 mm disks like on the SL, heavier but a better choice for an enduro bike). It's very difficult for the Orbea to compete on weight with the SL using the much heavier Shimano EP8 motor... They use components more suited for a cross country bike to try and compensate for that. Since the M10 is not the model they use for showing the weight in their marketing material, the correct components are standard on the M10 (other than the tyres). Other than that I think she used a 2020 Levo SL Expert Carbon for testing since the 2021 model comes with FOX 36 fork and DPX2 shock...
@@montonmonton8791 Totally agree !!
Thanks for an excellent personal summary! It helps me in my decision making process.
Here is a concern of mine regarding **motors* on eMtb:
- Specialized is having HUGE sales volume, and they are having a "large" number of motor failures. their SL motor has significantly lower power than their turbo (non-SL) motor (and lower than the Rise motor too) ... and I am thinking many riders are pushing the motor to it's max limits, and burning the motors out, likely because of REPEATEDLY OVERHEATING the small, under-power motor. Maybe.
- The Rise has a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger motor (if I understand correctly it is basically a detuned larger motor), and perhaps it is less likely to overheat. I dunno.
Note that **I do not own either bike, but am a Professional Design Engineer** so, that said:
- My thoughts are as follows: Bicycle engineers push design limits on their designs, in all areas, due to the NEED for higher performance at a lower weight & lower price. BUT, in 90% of all engineering designs (various engineering disciplines) we build in HUGE MARGINS (called a safety margin even though it rarely has to do with physical safety. Rather Safety margin = Failure margin) to prevent premature failures & a mode of failure we call infant morality. One example is pressure ratings: We would test for zero failures at 4x the rated pressure. This kind of margin is normal in the MOTOR industry. I'm thinking that 15% margin is common in the battery industry (poor heat dissipation being "the" common mode of failure) ..
- BUT, this is not the thinking of your typical bicycle designer.... they are likely building in a 3% or maybe a 5% "safety margin" Oops!!!
Perhaps Specialized simply needs a larger motor if they are going to tune (program) their motors to put out the kind of energy they are claiming (specifying)
- BUT HEY: who am I?
Ah I’m delighted you liked the video and that’s extremely interesting what you’re saying about the motors, thanks so much for taking the time to explain it! 👊🙌
Great analysis on the motor aspect. Now you’re making me think twice if i should get the SL. Then again O Rise is not readily available here locally in California…SL is back in the table lol
@@dongkapuyawn5107 Yeah. And I ride the Leftist coastal states too. I see what the shops have in stock, here, and will not make that a factor in my choice. I'll just continue to ride my Stumpy til I order what I want... and the more I look and test ride, the less I like the lower power of the SL. There simply are so many rides, sections of trail, that would benefit from higher torque. I'm less concerned with battery life, although that will likely change because eMtn'ing seems to encourage longer rides, more saddle-time, & even doing the same trail a second time because you aren't rung out from the climbs.
I have taken 11 test rides on eMtnBikes, and the Specialized options are at the top of the list. Sadly I havent had a chance to test ride the Orbea Rise :(( the YT channel the Loam Wolf did a shoot out between these two bikes .....
Haha she said it guys - bigger is better. Size does matter 😬
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Where & how long have you’ve been riding ? ? Your very good 👍😘
Where’s the forestal?
The forests were Ticknock and also Glencullenadventurepark!
@@CatMTBPilot forestal e bikes the cyon is the 150 150 sl as well w/ 60nm motor . It new from andora
Haha sorry I thought you had a typo! 🤣 oops! I haven’t had access to that bike unfortunately. Have you ridden one?
I wish, but everyone’s telling me not to buy out of USA or overseas because of customer support
Yeah I can see that alright, especially with an e bike. I’ve been very lucky so far with my Kenevo but having Specialized around the corner to call into if anything does go wrong is a big comfort.
Rise can upgrade 150mm fork too😅
Yes it can!
Orbea looks better
It’s a pretty sweet looking bike alright!!
Hm, the Rise should weigh at least 1 kg less.
Yes I think you’re right, the tyre was not the original spec and I think there was some extra tubeless fluid in one of the tyres too so that would defo add to the weight.
My Rise M-Team in medium weights 18.3 Kilos
Has Carbon Wheels too.
The bell sound is super annoying!
A 2kg dif, that's not marginal!
True! 🤣
Give point for did your sizes lol 🤦🏽♀️