Well it’s craftable so has access to enhanced traits as well as the ability to pick and choose your stats to a certain degree and cater entirely to you, avoiding the headache that is rng entirely as long as you have the pattern and also avoids trials (another headache personally), so I’d actually argue it feels better after the nerfs to high impact frames. But you do you whatever feels best is what you should use
Graviton Lance quickly became my preferred Void weapon for both PvP and PvE. For a 2-burst pulse rifle the weapon feels more like a scout/sniper rifle and the recent changes only made it have a faster fire rate than either. The key to its versatility isn’t just Cosmology, its that combined with Volatile Rounds. In PvP it does massive damage per burst so enemy players are less likely to find cover or retreat before getting killed, and holding down a chokepoint firing on multiple enemies coming in can set off a chain reaction where a killed guardian sets of Cosmology and Volatility which softens up and suppresses the other guardians to make them easier to kill from long range and keep the reaction going for the next that try to push the same spot. As for PvE you can engage a higher-priority enemy and volatility can help ad clear. That makes it viable in close range even if you are getting swarmed. If running Hunter with Forerunner, I strongly recommend a second sidearm (Saraph SI-2 is my preference) and Mechaneer’s Tricksleeves to not only have faster reload and swap, but survive a toe-to-toe engagement with massive damage increase on critical health. Its for an aggressive playstyle that goes well with Iron Banner where mobility and capturing points is vital.
Messenger is also really good, if you manage to get flawless you can xan get some really sick combo perks, sure theres desperado and such, but my favorite roll so far is moving target + Headseeker. Its a monster in pvp and with adept mods you can get the range to 90 and higher. Really solid gun if you manage to go flawless, but irs non adept counterpart is essentially the same.
Messenger is very good. The only reason I didn’t include it was because of how tedious it can be to not only get one, but to get the roll you want. I tried steering this list more towards easily accessible weapons.
Speaking of 120’s, I got a bottom dollar god roll by accident. It’s smallbore/steady-rounds/rangefinder/explosive-payload/range-MW It’s absolutely cracked. Definitely recommend farming for it if you can’t. Gambit really does have awesome weapons (like the borrowed time, for example).
Hello everyone. Im just terrible trying to control the recoil of the 120 and 140 handcannons on controller. Please let me know if you have any advice. Thanks!
I’ve always wondered how MIDA doesn’t make these lists? I’ve always felt like it is one of the most consistent weapons in PVP no matter the sandbox. It’s been my favorite PvP weapon since D1.
Probably because the exotic perks are not very flashy. MIDA keeps radar active at all times, even when debuffed by Gemini Jesters; +2 mobility; +10% sprint speed; highlights targets when ADS. It's a solid weapon with great neutral game benefits, but it is a little bit harder to win duels than other weapons currently.
In my opinion Mechabre is the best feeling sniper in the game if you have snapshot, opening shot and the sniper that comes in at a close 2nd is Uzume RR4 Adept with Killing Wind and Vorpal.
Got a keep away golden tricorn adept igneous hammer last week. Man this is probably the best hand cannon I’ve ever used. I even struggle with timelost fatebringer, but this thing just feels so solid.
I have an arc crucible sidearm The Keening that is nuts on Titan with Armor Piercing Rounds, Threat Detector, and One For All, It’s powerful in Crucible. If I run void Titan with it it allows me to get an over-shield via barrier and then use that to hit a few guardians. The BXR-55 is just nostalgia inducing for me and it’s fun for pvp alongside our aim assist on controller
That's a trash roll tho. If u like using keening, focus some crucible engrams for it Look for moving target or rapid hit in first column and zen moment in second column. Range, stability or handling masterwork
If I’m playing PvP these days, I’ll usually run Duality, though now with having to get the Hawkmoon catalyst, I’m gonna see if PvP has any greater effect on the progress.
Alihda or whatever skin for the crimson is one of the worst that you can use. The death one is the cleanest and the animation doesn’t cover your reticle. I have over 37k crucible kills on mine so call me boss if you want.
Only 140 I like on controller is Austringer. With eye of the storm and zen moment it has reallly high stability and good range. It’s the only one I can full auto shoot and be accurate cause it resets each time.
Before they nerfed the Cosmology explosion recently, it was nothing to get tons of multikills with it. Now, they might as well just get rid of the explosions because they barely tickle Guardians.
3:56 Very much hoping it can get Incandescent. We’ve gotten a 120 with Destabilizing Rounds in Targeted Redaction, Voltshot with Combined Action, so I’m predicting it gets Incandescent Edit: i was right
Awesome video. Out of curiosity, why do you recommend 120 HC? I love 120’s and I see a lotta ppl say they’re currently stronger than 140’s, but I mostly see 140’s in the wild.
If you can pace your shots and reset your aim super well, then 140s are fantastic. 120s are nice because they take just a smidge longer to shoot a follow-up shot, meaning you've got a smidge more time to reset/control your aim. 80 per crit and 50 per body is a BIG chunk of damage at one time. But I think the biggest contributing factor is their effective range, as right now, High impact pulses and even Scouts to an extent are really good in the sandbox (both of which are really good from long range). For the most part, 120s can compete with the range of Pulses and Scouts which is probably why a lot of people prefer them right now. That's my opinion at least!
@@ManOfCole gotcha! Makes sense. I’m in the early stages of learning hand cannons but I definitely found 120’s easier to learn with because they do force you to slow down and line up each shot. When ppl get hit by a 120 you can tell they absolutely know it too
Brilliant vid 👍 I can’t hit a barn door with HC or Snipes if I was sat on the handle so I’ll give those a miss. The rest though I’ll try especially Battler. With regards to my HC comment above, do you have any tips for how I can improve my use with them ?
I recommend using/crafting HCs with higher stability to start. Then just use them all the time. PvE and PvP. You’ll start to develop muscle memory for their recoil.
What about explosive payload and gut shot straight on the Guardian games scout rifle…. In trials, I was keeping god row messenger adept at bay with it.
I am still gonna use Thorn, the Heretic Robe ornament makes the gun much easier to use. Revision Zero on two-round burst is great as well. As for Handcannons, honestly, Ace, no, Hawkmoon, great, so nice to use, Lumina is not bad, Pali is great, Austringer is brilliant, Spare Rations, not sure, haven't gotten the 5/5 roll yet. Rose is very good.
@@Unbothered92 it could just be its visual recoil pattern or the weapon model itself. I believe it's a Suros weapon, which for me personally I don't like using.
Funny, i stopped using handcannons years ago. I just equip foetracer when facing one. I use SMG, Scouts, Pulses, Fusions, And Sidearms. And still rock a 2.83 w/ my flawless chest when I want the weapon. I believe this list is very subjective. Seriously Foetracer is broken. Funny how most rag on it, now they're making Knucklhead better by combining the two... It's going to be broken, but most will never know how.
is vex mythoclass any decent in pvp, I cant play the game atm for a while and I was wondering since I gotten the gun after the season of particle deconstruction, the gun was still fun thou.
0.9 TTK for 4 shots of forerunner is not actually as slow or slower than every primary type in the game. Adaptive Pulses, 120 Hand Cannons, as well as Precision and Rapid-Fire Scout Rifles all have a slower TTK than 0.9. Feels like an important distinction
D2 foundry lists the 0.9 ttk on 10 resil, however that seems to reflect its damage numbers from last season. In game, this season, 10 resil gets downed in 3 shots with testing. Reason is the crit damage was 67 rounded up, so doing like 66 per shot. Now its 68 rounded up, which even at 67.1 will down 201 HP. Seems like foundry and other api's have not been updated to reflect this change.
@@ManOfCole The immortal, shayura, tarrabah, ikelos smg even funnel web and borrowed time. They’re all better then 120s and bxr in the current meta. Tho immortal is obviously the best.
@@ivarpettersen5075 you're right, they're all very good. They're also very good, if not BETTER on MnK thanks to better recoil management on a mouse. I was moreso just trying to focus on weapons that felt "better" on controller vs MnK.
Its called rotational aim assist, its what drags ur retice towards the enemy, reticle friction is when you cross ur reticle over someone and it slows down over the enemy not tracking them
Not enough people make controller weapon videos in Destiny.
Noted 👀
Fantastic video, Cole! Very informative for us controller players out there
Rapid hit headseaker on disparity is lovely on controller
100% agree
Poor Man's Messenger
Disparity is just bad messenger though
Well it’s craftable so has access to enhanced traits as well as the ability to pick and choose your stats to a certain degree and cater entirely to you, avoiding the headache that is rng entirely as long as you have the pattern and also avoids trials (another headache personally), so I’d actually argue it feels better after the nerfs to high impact frames. But you do you whatever feels best is what you should use
You forgot bakris
Graviton Lance quickly became my preferred Void weapon for both PvP and PvE. For a 2-burst pulse rifle the weapon feels more like a scout/sniper rifle and the recent changes only made it have a faster fire rate than either. The key to its versatility isn’t just Cosmology, its that combined with Volatile Rounds.
In PvP it does massive damage per burst so enemy players are less likely to find cover or retreat before getting killed, and holding down a chokepoint firing on multiple enemies coming in can set off a chain reaction where a killed guardian sets of Cosmology and Volatility which softens up and suppresses the other guardians to make them easier to kill from long range and keep the reaction going for the next that try to push the same spot. As for PvE you can engage a higher-priority enemy and volatility can help ad clear. That makes it viable in close range even if you are getting swarmed.
If running Hunter with Forerunner, I strongly recommend a second sidearm (Saraph SI-2 is my preference) and Mechaneer’s Tricksleeves to not only have faster reload and swap, but survive a toe-to-toe engagement with massive damage increase on critical health. Its for an aggressive playstyle that goes well with Iron Banner where mobility and capturing points is vital.
Messenger is also really good, if you manage to get flawless you can xan get some really sick combo perks, sure theres desperado and such, but my favorite roll so far is moving target + Headseeker. Its a monster in pvp and with adept mods you can get the range to 90 and higher. Really solid gun if you manage to go flawless, but irs non adept counterpart is essentially the same.
Messenger is very good. The only reason I didn’t include it was because of how tedious it can be to not only get one, but to get the roll you want. I tried steering this list more towards easily accessible weapons.
Quality upload as always my friend
Thank you sir!
Speaking of 120’s, I got a bottom dollar god roll by accident. It’s smallbore/steady-rounds/rangefinder/explosive-payload/range-MW
It’s absolutely cracked. Definitely recommend farming for it if you can’t. Gambit really does have awesome weapons (like the borrowed time, for example).
Hello everyone. Im just terrible trying to control the recoil of the 120 and 140 handcannons on controller. Please let me know if you have any advice. Thanks!
I’ve always wondered how MIDA doesn’t make these lists? I’ve always felt like it is one of the most consistent weapons in PVP no matter the sandbox. It’s been my favorite PvP weapon since D1.
Because its a good legendary scout thats just taking up your legendary slot
Probably because the exotic perks are not very flashy. MIDA keeps radar active at all times, even when debuffed by Gemini Jesters; +2 mobility; +10% sprint speed; highlights targets when ADS. It's a solid weapon with great neutral game benefits, but it is a little bit harder to win duels than other weapons currently.
In my opinion Mechabre is the best feeling sniper in the game if you have snapshot, opening shot and the sniper that comes in at a close 2nd is Uzume RR4 Adept with Killing Wind and Vorpal.
Mechabre also has no distractions opening shot, which is a roll I don't see many people talking about.
Beloved is goat’d
@@rawdney88 its ok yeah
Got a keep away golden tricorn adept igneous hammer last week. Man this is probably the best hand cannon I’ve ever used. I even struggle with timelost fatebringer, but this thing just feels so solid.
I hate crimson on controller ngl. Cant wait for red death to come back.
I don't know if it's a skill issue problem for me or something but I think most hand cannons on controller feel kinda ass
I don't play pvp very often, but when I play I often use Outbreak
Right on Clanmate. Loving the content
Surplus + Headseeker Stars in Shadow is my go to if I’m playing Revenant or Threadrunner
Igneous hammer is still an absolute dream of a hc imo😅❤
Igneous and round robin are my favorite 2
i like the auttum wind since its a rapid fire pulse and it feels very good on controller
I really like it as well to be honest
I have an arc crucible sidearm The Keening that is nuts on Titan with Armor Piercing Rounds, Threat Detector, and One For All, It’s powerful in Crucible. If I run void Titan with it it allows me to get an over-shield via barrier and then use that to hit a few guardians.
The BXR-55 is just nostalgia inducing for me and it’s fun for pvp alongside our aim assist on controller
That's a trash roll tho. If u like using keening, focus some crucible engrams for it
Look for moving target or rapid hit in first column and zen moment in second column. Range, stability or handling masterwork
If I’m playing PvP these days, I’ll usually run Duality, though now with having to get the Hawkmoon catalyst, I’m gonna see if PvP has any greater effect on the progress.
Some excellent tips there mate. Cheers 👍
Alihda or whatever skin for the crimson is one of the worst that you can use. The death one is the cleanest and the animation doesn’t cover your reticle. I have over 37k crucible kills on mine so call me boss if you want.
use the 3 thumbnail weapons if you need training wheels, a helmet, pillow armor, and padded floor all at the same time. or an smg for extra padding
Only 140 I like on controller is Austringer. With eye of the storm and zen moment it has reallly high stability and good range. It’s the only one I can full auto shoot and be accurate cause it resets each time.
Thanks for the controller tips. What are your controller/video settings for sniping?
I run 95 fov. 12 sens, 1.2 ads modifier
Underrated
Before they nerfed the Cosmology explosion recently, it was nothing to get tons of multikills with it. Now, they might as well just get rid of the explosions because they barely tickle Guardians.
3:56
Very much hoping it can get Incandescent.
We’ve gotten a 120 with Destabilizing Rounds in Targeted Redaction, Voltshot with Combined Action, so I’m predicting it gets Incandescent
Edit: i was right
Not a bad prediction
Awesome video.
Out of curiosity, why do you recommend 120 HC? I love 120’s and I see a lotta ppl say they’re currently stronger than 140’s, but I mostly see 140’s in the wild.
If you can pace your shots and reset your aim super well, then 140s are fantastic. 120s are nice because they take just a smidge longer to shoot a follow-up shot, meaning you've got a smidge more time to reset/control your aim. 80 per crit and 50 per body is a BIG chunk of damage at one time. But I think the biggest contributing factor is their effective range, as right now, High impact pulses and even Scouts to an extent are really good in the sandbox (both of which are really good from long range). For the most part, 120s can compete with the range of Pulses and Scouts which is probably why a lot of people prefer them right now. That's my opinion at least!
@@ManOfCole gotcha! Makes sense. I’m in the early stages of learning hand cannons but I definitely found 120’s easier to learn with because they do force you to slow down and line up each shot. When ppl get hit by a 120 you can tell they absolutely know it too
Drang and forerunner too
Brilliant vid 👍 I can’t hit a barn door with HC or Snipes if I was sat on the handle so I’ll give those a miss. The rest though I’ll try especially Battler.
With regards to my HC comment above, do you have any tips for how I can improve my use with them ?
I recommend using/crafting HCs with higher stability to start. Then just use them all the time. PvE and PvP. You’ll start to develop muscle memory for their recoil.
Ok thanks, I’ll try that with Austringer 👍
What about explosive payload and gut shot straight on the Guardian games scout rifle…. In trials, I was keeping god row messenger adept at bay with it.
I’ve got one with explosive payload which I also really like. I haven’t played enough with gutshot to give you an honest take on it.
I think Eyasluna is really good on console. I'm willing to sacrifice range for aim assist.
Nice vid, liked & subbed 👍🏾
Really looking forward to igneous hopefully rolling with slideshot
Slideshot is going to be NASTY
@@ManOfCole fr, I don’t have a 120 with slideshot, and it would be so good if it rolls with it. I might actually grind trials for once to get one
I am still gonna use Thorn, the Heretic Robe ornament makes the gun much easier to use. Revision Zero on two-round burst is great as well. As for Handcannons, honestly, Ace, no, Hawkmoon, great, so nice to use, Lumina is not bad, Pali is great, Austringer is brilliant, Spare Rations, not sure, haven't gotten the 5/5 roll yet. Rose is very good.
Rev 0 is super solid
Love Ace of Spades but it just isn't very competitive with its recoil and lack of AA. Hope I can use it in PVE next season.
Am i the only one who has issues with the exalted truth? I even have an adept roll and it still feels weird. But my pali is smooth on controller
@@Unbothered92 Can't say, I don't have an Exalted Truth, so I am unable to say whether it's ok or not.
@@Unbothered92 it could just be its visual recoil pattern or the weapon model itself. I believe it's a Suros weapon, which for me personally I don't like using.
Piece of mind I love it
Great video man! Hope you blow up. Love content like this.
Thanks for the kind words!
Funny, i stopped using handcannons years ago.
I just equip foetracer when facing one.
I use SMG, Scouts, Pulses, Fusions, And Sidearms.
And still rock a 2.83 w/ my flawless chest when I want the weapon.
I believe this list is very subjective.
Seriously Foetracer is broken.
Funny how most rag on it, now they're making Knucklhead better by combining the two...
It's going to be broken, but most will never know how.
I agree that it is subjective. However, I do feel there are a few weapons that “feel” better on certain inputs compared to others.
@@ManOfCole
Fair.
What's your thoughts on the Knucklhead buff?
@@treyrandall2983 Very intrigued by it
Funny?
@@D1Kwazy
Well ya, but not as funny as your reflection...
Incandescent on Devil's Ruin laser mode with built in unstoppable sounds fun. Hire me bungie. 😊
you said last word is the second fastest ttk, so i was wondering if you know what the fastest is
Yes, it's the adaptive 3-burst sidearms (Tresspasser, Peacebond, High Albedo, Last Dance, etc) They are 0.50 seconds. TLW is 0.53
@@ManOfCole really? i've used tresspasser a lot but i didnt think it killed that fast, good to know
Love controller specific vids. Unfortunately all this will change in a couple weeks 😢. We'll need an update vid 😂
Noted 👀
is vex mythoclass any decent in pvp, I cant play the game atm for a while and I was wondering since I gotten the gun after the season of particle deconstruction, the gun was still fun thou.
Yes it’s still pretty good in PvP. Very strong
Number 1 is really autumn wind if yk yk
Bruh forgot the controller king AMMIT
So... I've been using it a bunch lately and I think I made a grave mistake lol. Might warrant a part 2
5:00 so youre telling me the best way to use the bxr is to bxr lol
Precisely lol
Duality my beloved
0.9 TTK for 4 shots of forerunner is not actually as slow or slower than every primary type in the game. Adaptive Pulses, 120 Hand Cannons, as well as Precision and Rapid-Fire Scout Rifles all have a slower TTK than 0.9. Feels like an important distinction
You're right, just checked. That's on me
@ManOfCole no worries brother, the content is great regardless.
@@SpizzieNizzie Appreciate it! Thanks for the info
D2 foundry lists the 0.9 ttk on 10 resil, however that seems to reflect its damage numbers from last season. In game, this season, 10 resil gets downed in 3 shots with testing. Reason is the crit damage was 67 rounded up, so doing like 66 per shot. Now its 68 rounded up, which even at 67.1 will down 201 HP. Seems like foundry and other api's have not been updated to reflect this change.
New vid for the range changes?
HOW DO you turn that handgun into full auto
Go to Settings - Gameplay - Full Auto Firing - On
I use bows on controller and i do pretty good
Gallu and ace of spades for me
How to obtain drang?
bungie fixed forerunner's damage. it 3 taps 10 resilience guardians too
I guess I missed that. Do you know when they changed it?
@@ManOfCole in season 20 i believe. try it in pvp, it does like 70 or 69 to the head now
Is everyone on controller in destiny on PC?
Now that Sony owns Bungie, I really wish they’d add gyro 🤦♂️
Man please put the name of the weapon writen on the vídeo.
They fixed the 10 resil bug on forerunner though
Yep, didn’t realize they did!
I didn't either until I 3 tapped a titan with 10 resil last week lol@@ManOfCole
Guys zen moment austringer
Fr fr
This video is made for pc players using controller. Because on console it doesnt matter. We all use controllers.
Do console people not use these weapons?
@@ManOfCole jes but we dont have any advantage over each other because we all use controller. That was more my point.
It should also be noted that aim assist with controller on pc is a lot stickier than aim assist with controller on console.
Having no smg’s on the list is crazy.
What would you put on?
@@ManOfCole The immortal, shayura, tarrabah, ikelos smg even funnel web and borrowed time. They’re all better then 120s and bxr in the current meta. Tho immortal is obviously the best.
@@ivarpettersen5075 you're right, they're all very good. They're also very good, if not BETTER on MnK thanks to better recoil management on a mouse. I was moreso just trying to focus on weapons that felt "better" on controller vs MnK.
@@ManOfCole imo all these guns have next to no recoil even on controller with a god roll
No Auto rifle?
It hurts me....and tbh Ammit could EASILY be on this list
Its called rotational aim assist, its what drags ur retice towards the enemy, reticle friction is when you cross ur reticle over someone and it slows down over the enemy not tracking them
Yes, I am still referring to reticle friction, which MnK players do not have.
Screw these I use GL on controller
I mean fair
Snipers are way better on MnK y’all are crazy
Yea…. If you’ve got a subscription.
Too bad immortal exists
Actual facts
Lol Why make chapters for your video if you don’t even name the weapons. Is this a monetary decision? Bungie starting to rub off on you 🤮
Because then you’ll just read the chapters and not watch the video pepega. Might as well write a blog post at that point.
@@ManOfCole May as well make individual videos if you’re going to play like that. Think of that extra add revenue 🤤
Sturm and drang has wayyyy too much aim assist
ARROWHEAD BREAK ARROWHEAD BREAK ARROWHEAD BREAK.
Number 1 is really autumn wind if yk