And it shows that Xavier simply didn't know, and will continue to not understand, where his friend is coming from. Xavier believes that normal men are normally good, and, given the holocaust, Erik decidedly does not.
@@reganator5000 Yeah but Magneto (in this instance) is alright with justfying a genocide on all of humanity due to what some people did to him and his family. As much as one can understand his reasoning it's not a justification for his actions.
@@CrniWuk But it's not a genocide. Those are Naval vessels, operated by trained members of a state's official military. Blowing them up is a show of force, but not 'the intentional destruction of a people, in whole or in part'. Hell, it's not even against the rules of war. Them finding themselves massively outgunned is perfectly fine under the Geneva Conventions, which don't require your armies to be equal, just that they fight fair with whatever they have, be that nuclear weapons or spears.
@@reganator5000 I am not just talking about this situation. You could argue that it is self defence here, sort of - albeit I still don't agree with the decision. But in later years Magneto had no issue with killing innocent people.
Despite Erik’s cold, relentless wrath, and despite him and Charles being totally at odds ideologically, the one thing that distracted Erik from his vengeance was the realization that he had hurt perhaps his only true friend.
The brilliance of this film is that you see a villain's origins and completely understand him as a multi-dimensional antagonist, even without knowledge of the comics. It's simply a great story, well told. The franchise missed a trick by not developing this further with a second film; it certainly had layers to develop. That's not to say the second instalment wasn't a good film. I just felt it was a great leap in both Xavier's and Erik's story arch, and the whole time travelling thing would've had even more bang had both further cemented their differences. Just an opinion btw. I still think it lives up to the great cartoon series until the final film.
No genious, it was terrifying idea of losing him because of his fight with the idiot trying to kill him. What do they teach you in school? Hiw to skip the obvious?
@@TheFoshaMan that's different friends and family fight all the time especially brothers. Seeing you're brother or someone you consider a brother get shot and especially knowing it's cuz of you. Fuck the little punches. That's my bro.
Stan Lee’s decision to have a Holocaust survivor be one of his setting’s most powerful and compelling antagonists is truly one of the greatest character/narrative choices in modern literature. Gives me chills every time.
It was Chris Claremont who made the decision for Magneto to be Jewish, and a Holocaust survivor, 18 years after the Stan Lee and Jack Kirby invented Magneto and the X-Men. Stan Lee was not writing X- men at that point.
The fact that Magneto immediately stop what he doing when Charles get hurt is touching as in the end he still couldn’t not care bout his only friend in this world
They really are total bangers or duds. Like X-men 1 and 2 were genre defining like Spider-Man 1 and 2 in a pre iron man cinema world. First class, days of future past and Logan are just awesome movies in every way. Some amazing plots and philosophical debates that make people question a lot
Totally agree with that selection. l loved x1 and X2, X3 less so. No time for phoenix or abysmal apocalypse or the other wolverine films although I didn't mind the one with a giant robot samurai villain. Days of future past and first class were excellent. Michael fasbender as magneto is needed in MCU. You fear what he could be capable of.
I so love the musical score drop timing at 2:57, Charles Xavier telling a Holocaust survivor, Erik "...just following orders" is a big trigger. That line was really heavy. Hot damn.
@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 You're misunderstanding his expression. It wasn't one of consideration, it was remembrance and rage. Charles told a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR that they're "just following orders". Why tf would magneto listen to him?
Up until that point, he was considering Charles' argument. "Maybe I should spare them. Maybe I should just scare them. Show them that I could have wiped them all out, and then show them that I chose not to." But when Charles mentions "just following orders" he changes his mind. "These men will never learn. They must be destroyed."
If I was indestructible and my friends are about to get killed I will be freaking out about, men, even if it was a bunch of cats and I am a dog person. The fact that you don't understand this is concerning.
Fantastic film. The entire beach scene at the end is really a grand metaphor for the Mutant cause. Man and Mutant fighting out of fear, innocents get hurt. Resentment stokes, do it all again and repeat. Until...
Ironic that Magneto has referred to Neanderthals cuz sad reality is Troglodites didnt have such weapons & skills against CroMagnon Homo Sapiens so they were genicided by Franks ancestors. Who? The Germans. History does move in topsy turvy cycles not in mysterious ways. Only thing that never changes since stone age is that endless Waltz, the WAR. So stupid.
Of all the things you shouldn't say to a very pissed off Holocaust survivor holding a small army's worth of missiles at his command, "Just following orders" is right at the top of the list.
Actual I say number one quote not to say to a Holocaust survivor, You can tell Magneto was thinking about his decision whether to send the missiles back to the ships or not, but Charles destroyed that hope by "They just following orders."
@@joshuagrover795 Uh, no. If Magneto did not have any intention of returning fire, he could simply deflect those shells and missiles away from the island. When he paused them in the middle of the air and spinned them towards their ships, his intention was clear.
@@KygoCalvinHarris-xu4kvThe Soviet Union included 15 different countries. Including Russia or rather the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic). I am still surprised that some people think that the Soviet Union and Russia are one and the same thing
@@norouziman8748 it doesn’t matter if it’s a clip! The situation itself is deep and complex of complex characters and their motivations. The fact that Erik was terrorized by nazi who were “following orders” was a very poor choice of words.
@@commanderiosifstalin4938and it doesn’t change the fact that many innocent people would’ve been killed if it wasn’t for magneto. Following orders doesn’t make it alright
What I love about this sequence is that Marvel wasn't afraid to prove one of its most intelligent characters completely and utterly wrong. Xavier spent virtually the entire movie preaching to Erik about how killing Shaw would not bring him peace, and how he had to let it go. Instead, killing Shaw is so cathartic for Erik that it almost directly unlocks full access to his power. And as Erik gently floats to the ground, supported by his own fully realized powers of magnetism, the shock on Professor X's face makes it clear that this is an outcome he never contemplated.
Xavier was also wrong about humanity’s attitudes to mutants in the end. SPOILER ALERT In the events of Logan, if we’re considering a war between mutants and humans, the humans have essentially won. The best way to commit genocide is to make sure no new members of that race are born, and that’s exactly what Zander Rice did with his GMO food.
@@ShaunakDesaiPianoLogan isn't canon to the main timeline, it's an alternate timeline built around giving Hugh Jackman a good sendoff. We know it's not canon because we see young mutants running around in the DoFP epilogue, young enough to be born after the year they say mutants stopped being born in Logan, since all the future scenes in DoFP take place in 2023.
@@MystrohanSadly, not for Erik, no. But it is an option for others, which is what makes their rivalry so compelling, the way Mags becomes a manifestation of the cycle of violence. He's a compelling ass character.
Magneto was right all along. The mutants did not start a war against the humans, the humans started a war against the mutants in every possible way until they killed all the X-Men.
@@bobsponge1877 Oh yes, humans who persecute, annihilate, judge, discriminate, hate and destroy everything. Yes, human are way better, right. Get off your pathetic high horse. Humans are NOT better. Explain how humans are better? In what way are humans superior? In the last 5 years we've managed to all but tear ourselves apart more times than not. We are NOT better. We CAN do better, but until we do, we are no better than the 99 percent of other forms of life on this planet, if anything were worse.
"Never again" not just an awesome line, but the ACTUAL Holocaust Slogan. Fantastic delivery, awesome research, good accuracy (with some exceptions) to history, and great directing as well as editing, what's not to live about this scene or this movie? 👍👏👏👏
Charles is arguably the smartest of them all and yet he’s the one who says the *WORST* possible thing one can say to a person who has suffered persecution and witnessed genocide first hand carried by people who justify it as simply “following orders” while taking pride and pleasure in it and avoiding justice at all cost! He honestly thought Erik would relent after giving that justification?
Jajaja. Es un caso clasico de como la desesperación puede anular tu raciocinio. Charles simplemente intentaba dar cualquier motivo para evitar que Erik cometa una masacre. Después de todo, eso era lo convenido. Si no vencían a los malos, la isla sería bombardeada. Sabían eso e igual se metieron a la isla.
Also, because Erik was wearing the helmet that blocks Charles’s powers, Charles was left with only words to dissuade Erik from making that choice. Without the helmet, I’m sure Charles would have been able to affect the outcome.
It's scenes like this that give so much context to Erik decades from this moment saying "You think just because you can see inside my head you know how it feels?" Charles is capable of feeling other people's emotions and understanding a lot of what goes on in their conscious mind. But really digging deeper into their subconscious and truly seeing people for who they are and what THEIR understanding of their feelings is (rather than Charles' understanding), is something that does still take work for him. And sure, Erik had the helmet on here. But Charles made it very clear he'd dug through literally all of Erik's memories prior to this point, even ones Erik himself had forgotten. But Charles' views from his own life can distort his perception of those memories. Erik's memories led him to believe that the humans would turn on them the second Shaw died. He was right. Charles should have also anticipated that. Hell, he should have seen it coming before even Erik did, since he could read the minds of every CIA operative they were near, and should have predicted how they would react based on that. But Charles is often incapable of looking at things objectively. For the record I think these are good things from a story perspective since it makes the dynamic between Charles and Erik a lot more interesting.
As you grow up you can't help to agree with Erik more and more. Aside from pointless killing (which he does a lot) he's basically right about everything. Humans would wipe mutants out of existence if they could.
these two are honestly one of my favourite foils of each other, best duos in fiction in recent memory for me. love that both care for mutantkind and their abilities reflect what they sense most in humanity - magneto's metal telekenesis detects their capacity for great harm, while charles' mindreading lends to his empathy, but both can detect men's intentions. and the scene where magneto inadvertently makes charles a cripple for the rest of his life is such great history and subtext for some of the stuff we see down the line. peak peak peak
The fact that X helped magneto how to channel his true power to the fullest extent. And seeing what he was capable of doing when he launched the missiles back at the navy.. X face tells a thousand words.
Notice how Charles was the only one who showed no fear as the missiles were getting closer to the beach, because he already knew that Eric could catch every single one of them. He never lied when he told Eric that his powers could be greater than his own.
It is really one of those situations where there can't be true peace, humans can't live under fear, and mutants can't be asked to not use their power for their own benefit. War is inevitable and while nature selected mutants as the next step in evolution,but the human mind can more than compensate for that (eventual creation of sentinels or gene therapy in Logan)
Only because the movies downplay the power of mutants, to the point when even Dark Phoenix is not very impressive. In comics, any of the omega level mutants can destroy the entire planet, unless stopped by an equally strong superhero. And many mutants can't be killed by anyone.
It'll be a definite "cold" war made up of some kinda "rules" that humans and mutants wage. While humans are probably the greatest hunters and have been for hundred thousand years these mutants pose a new threat to human dominance over the earth. Unfortunately, there is no Earth 2.0 and until everyone figures that out there will always be a slow rolling war amongst the two factions. But make no mistake humans have the upper hand in terms of vast resources such as the making of Sentinels. We have cameras that can catch light, slow it down to almost nothing, this incorporating it into a Sentinel for example would make light speed mutants useless. Super strength mutants would mean little either. Eventually the technological side of humanity would wipe out mutants.
If humans become a mutant society, whereby things like status etc. were based upon mutant powers (as is bound to happen), that'll be the end of our story. This is because of "overspecialisation" (for the lack of a better term). Humans have come this far simply because unlike other powerful species on this planet, we received only limited direct natural gifts. We didn't have some natural occurring "shtick", whether venom or claws and fangs etc. to centre our living around. So we were forced to use our brains to solve problems as well as band together into cohesive societies (both these pressures further selected for intelligence and social adaptation).
This proves that Simon Kinberg can do a better job as a PRODUCER than as a WRITER In fact, he was the one who pitched Matthew Vaughn to direct this movie
The sheer power to stop 50 rockets all headed in excess of 2500 miles per second is unimaginable. Even though his power is to manipulate metal. His strength grew so much throughout the movie.
Now that I think about it... couldn't Charles just quickly take over the minds of these generals and tell their men to stand down or something? He has the ability!
Even if he were powerful enough to it at that point in his life, I don't think his morals would have allowed him to forcibly take control of others at that point. In this movie, and in most of the characters screen time in the Fox franchise, Xavier only uses his telepathy to as a sort of communication tool with others. Its shown earlier in the movie when Erik goes hunting Shaw in the beached sub.
@@toakongu1 He stopped Shaw. And it's not really morally wrong to at the very least inform the generals that the situation has been resolved. He doesn't have to freeze them just let them know that "Yeah it's fine people! We're all fine down here".
I have always loved Eric and Xavier’s brotherhood. Like even w total opposite ideologies they both still genuinely care about each other and both grew up fighting for mutants their ENTIRE life in completely different ways
Considering the outcome, yes, it WAS a good idea to shoot metal bullets at Magneto, because that forced him to choose between controlling her bullets or controlling the naval salvo.
shoot enough of them and it wont matter ceramic would be the better choice, not all metals are magnetic. and those warheads were very explosive, last time i checked he wasnt blast proof
God I appreciate this movie more and more as time goes on. :) And really, Xavier and Erik's friendship more and more too. Both sides with very valid and understandable points, destined to come to blows. There's a reason why X-Men continues to stand the test of time.
Seriously, how could you possibly convince a man who practically grew up in a prison camp and witnessed his mom get murdered, to call off his revenge against men who are just following orders? Those missiles were mercy compared to how Magneto's people suffered in the hands of men who were just following orders.
I love that the VFX artists included the detailing of the rocket motors of the missiles fizzing out when Erik stops them as they each have limited fuel, most people would skip over that fact
0:37 “I feel their guns moving in the water”. Til this day I have no idea why Michael Fassbender decided to completely switch to an Irish accent for the end of this movie 😂 completely took me out of the movie
he speaks in an Irish accent frequently during the movie and never really masks it. you can really hear it in his German, he's German Irish and speaks with a slight Irish accent, but moreso in his first English line "let's just say I'm Frankenstein's monster and I'm looking for my creator" it sounds SO Irish. It's because he IS Irish, and for most of the movie he kind of masks it a little but also really doesn't. He doesn't bother doing an English accent he kind of just softens his usual one.
Remember everyone. Following orders doesn’t make you innocent, it only makes you complacent Eric shouldn’t have been stopped. People need to learn that treachery must and will be punished.
The thing that made this movie age well is the fact that both Xavier and Magneto had their right and wrong points. Unlike the original trilogy where Xavier was ultimately made right and Magneto wrong. Here Xavier and his ultimate optimism about human attitude towards mutants was wrong, but Magnetos militant attitude toward humans did not solve the problem either
O Magneto correndo para socorrer o Xavier depois de ver que ele foi acercado por uma bala é uma das coisas mais lindas que eu já vi nesse filme. Não me canso de ver essas cenas.
Yuck. Why can one just be friends anymore? Why the big push for queerness? Erik and Charles have always been FRIENDS! Not lovers. Yes they do have a strong bond but that of friends!
Magneto is completely right, and Xavier is utterly stupid. These "innocent men following orders" had just tried to kill them by throwing tons of bombs at them, and would have succeeded if it had not been for Magneto. The fact that Xavier tries to stop him from retaliating instead of thanking him and keeping his mouth shut is very surprising and quite insane. Xavier displays here some unacceptable amount of hubris.
I'm on Erik's side because when good people fight back, it's to show bad people what not to do. So this sentence They are just following orders, it is not an excuse or a reason to make good people suffer.
I just realized the American captain is played by Michael Ironside, I recognized that voice with his little "it's been an honor" speech. Also, if I had a nickel for every time he was involved with a cruise missile trying to sink an American warship, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
2:57 in this scene Charles literally could’ve said ANYTHING ELSE like encouraging him to throw the bombs into the air. I believe that THIS was the trigger for magneto to do what he did.
Like Magneto did NOT know there were refugees on those boats. He could’ve literally said “some of them are thinking of their mutant children and there’s a refugee boat,”.
The painful aspect of the scene is magneto was 100% right. Humanity just wanted to obliterate all that was considered a threat without compromise or understanding. God bless Charles Xavier for believing that there was a possibility for understanding, for his dream failed before it ever begun.
Man all these comments about whether Eric's retaliation was justified really just proves how accurate this movie is the classic x men comics, especially since in the movie ends with people picking sides I guess it just is in our nature too being the side we think is going to be the winning One
Honestly Erik was definitely right to defend himself and Charles was wrong in his argument. Had he said something about them not knowing any better and giving him a chance to psychically explaining to them that they fucked up and they COULD die but the mutants choosing not to shows that they are the better men as such it would've been more leverage for mutants to be left alone. Erik mightve agreed to an intimidation tactic where they should what they COULD do but what they DIDNT do even when they were well within their rights to defend themselves
@Baddaby circumstantial considering it was only the first volley, had Erik simply deflected them they'd likely fire another volley to neutralize the threat, Erik launching them back IS defending himself because they would've kept firing. If someone emptied their entire mag shooting at you but missed every shot you'd be WELL within your rights to shoot them and it would be ruled self defense
@@Baddaby no they shot because they were ORDERED to fire and take out the mutant threat. Mactagart tried to radio in the all clear but they were cool with wiping her out too
Always found it odd how Michael Fassbenders accent changes during the last act of the movie. He talks with an English accent the whole movie and then suddenly his Irish accent comes out to play for the last act as if they just didn’t bother doing adr for the last 20 minutes
It's especially weird because a Holocaust survivor shouldn't have either English nor Irish. They would have either German, Western Slavic or Hungarian. With the name Erik Lensherr, probably German.
What will Xavier do to stop Magento's bloodlust? A. Explain to him that making their bombardment seem useless is already enough of a display of power and that killing them is unnecessary. B. Remind him that he is perpetuating another cycle of violence and that he is more than intelligent enough to come up with a better solution. C. Trigger his PTSD with the infamous "just following orders" line of defense. The answer may surprise you.
Telling a Holocaust survivor "They were just following orders" was possibly the worst thing Xavier could have told Magneto in that situation.
1000% accurate
And it shows that Xavier simply didn't know, and will continue to not understand, where his friend is coming from. Xavier believes that normal men are normally good, and, given the holocaust, Erik decidedly does not.
@@reganator5000 Yeah but Magneto (in this instance) is alright with justfying a genocide on all of humanity due to what some people did to him and his family. As much as one can understand his reasoning it's not a justification for his actions.
@@CrniWuk But it's not a genocide. Those are Naval vessels, operated by trained members of a state's official military. Blowing them up is a show of force, but not 'the intentional destruction of a people, in whole or in part'. Hell, it's not even against the rules of war. Them finding themselves massively outgunned is perfectly fine under the Geneva Conventions, which don't require your armies to be equal, just that they fight fair with whatever they have, be that nuclear weapons or spears.
@@reganator5000 I am not just talking about this situation. You could argue that it is self defence here, sort of - albeit I still don't agree with the decision.
But in later years Magneto had no issue with killing innocent people.
Despite Erik’s cold, relentless wrath, and despite him and Charles being totally at odds ideologically, the one thing that distracted Erik from his vengeance was the realization that he had hurt perhaps his only true friend.
Well he punched him and that counts as hurting, but knowing that he might've just fatally hurt him, that's what made him leave all the bombing stuff
Is it me or does Magneto have a similar costume to BananaMan 🍌
The brilliance of this film is that you see a villain's origins and completely understand him as a multi-dimensional antagonist, even without knowledge of the comics. It's simply a great story, well told. The franchise missed a trick by not developing this further with a second film; it certainly had layers to develop. That's not to say the second instalment wasn't a good film. I just felt it was a great leap in both Xavier's and Erik's story arch, and the whole time travelling thing would've had even more bang had both further cemented their differences. Just an opinion btw.
I still think it lives up to the great cartoon series until the final film.
No genious, it was terrifying idea of losing him because of his fight with the idiot trying to kill him. What do they teach you in school? Hiw to skip the obvious?
@@TheFoshaMan that's different friends and family fight all the time especially brothers. Seeing you're brother or someone you consider a brother get shot and especially knowing it's cuz of you. Fuck the little punches. That's my bro.
It's cool how both Xavier and Magneto can sense that the humans are going to attack, just in different ways.
I’m glad you noticed that there just well done amazing well put together characters there literally brothers but indifferent
even someone with myopia can see the missouri's turrets turning towards them
spiderman liked that
@@s0nnyburnett they're not even moving yet when he noticed them. He can feel the clanking and the footsteps of the people there.
@@Username-le4eqpro x can read minds
Stan Lee’s decision to have a Holocaust survivor be one of his setting’s most powerful and compelling antagonists is truly one of the greatest character/narrative choices in modern literature. Gives me chills every time.
I'm so grateful for Erik.
*Stan Lee: Let's make the bad guy German. But Jewish!*
It was Chris Claremont who made the decision for Magneto to be Jewish, and a Holocaust survivor, 18 years after the Stan Lee and Jack Kirby invented Magneto and the X-Men. Stan Lee was not writing X- men at that point.
You need to reed more books clown
Stan Lee didn’t write it he just slapped his name on someone else’s product
This is by far one of the best scenes on all of the x men films combined. Incredible
Days of Future Past fight against sentinels is even better
I can’t get over how stupid the shells look though.
All of superhero movies combined you mean. The misses returning back to those ships gave me chills.
@@franzschubertv2874this was released in 2011 lol
Nope
The fact that Magneto immediately stop what he doing when Charles get hurt is touching as in the end he still couldn’t not care bout his only friend in this world
When x men movies are bad they are really bad, but when the are good they are the peak of superhero movies
They really are total bangers or duds. Like X-men 1 and 2 were genre defining like Spider-Man 1 and 2 in a pre iron man cinema world. First class, days of future past and Logan are just awesome movies in every way. Some amazing plots and philosophical debates that make people question a lot
Totally agree with that selection. l loved x1 and X2, X3 less so. No time for phoenix or abysmal apocalypse or the other wolverine films although I didn't mind the one with a giant robot samurai villain. Days of future past and first class were excellent. Michael fasbender as magneto is needed in MCU. You fear what he could be capable of.
@@64offsuiteragree. Unless you're gonna say that Logan is also somehow lame and borin
That's because they have amazing characters just waiting for a competent director lol like Emma Frost for example or Darwin
@@64offsuiter its funny that both x-men franshises got buried when they focused on the phoenix saga lol
I so love the musical score drop timing at 2:57, Charles Xavier telling a Holocaust survivor, Erik "...just following orders" is a big trigger. That line was really heavy. Hot damn.
You can see Eriks expression change the moment Charles says "they're just following orders."
Yeah like there was maybe a chance he would have listened to Charles but after hearing that, nope
And not even angry, just disappointed that he has to break down his rhetoric for the man he trusted to come around to his own way of thinking.
@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 You're misunderstanding his expression. It wasn't one of consideration, it was remembrance and rage. Charles told a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR that they're "just following orders". Why tf would magneto listen to him?
Could've said he'd be no different than the men he's up against
Up until that point, he was considering Charles' argument. "Maybe I should spare them. Maybe I should just scare them. Show them that I could have wiped them all out, and then show them that I chose not to."
But when Charles mentions "just following orders" he changes his mind. "These men will never learn. They must be destroyed."
No idea what Azazel was freaking out about at 2:00, he's a teleporter, just be like "alright, later guys! Good luck!"
If I was indestructible and my friends are about to get killed I will be freaking out about, men, even if it was a bunch of cats and I am a dog person. The fact that you don't understand this is concerning.
@@jaimeduncan6167 he can also teleport other people
@@jaimeduncan6167 u care too much
@@jaimeduncan6167 he is shown to be capable of teleporting other people in this movie
@@josipmarasovic7084 Better than caring too little
Fantastic film.
The entire beach scene at the end is really a grand metaphor for the Mutant cause.
Man and Mutant fighting out of fear, innocents get hurt. Resentment stokes, do it all again and repeat.
Until...
Ironic that Magneto has referred to Neanderthals cuz sad reality is Troglodites didnt have such weapons & skills against CroMagnon Homo Sapiens so they were genicided by Franks ancestors.
Who? The Germans.
History does move in topsy turvy cycles not in mysterious ways.
Only thing that never changes since stone age is that endless Waltz, the WAR.
So stupid.
BOOM! No more life on Earth!
Apes take over after annihilation
yeah except now it's better bc now they have a reason to distrust mutants..they're decendants of the DEVIANTS
It will happen in real soon
Of all the things you shouldn't say to a very pissed off Holocaust survivor holding a small army's worth of missiles at his command, "Just following orders" is right at the top of the list.
Actual I say number one quote not to say to a Holocaust survivor, You can tell Magneto was thinking about his decision whether to send the missiles back to the ships or not, but Charles destroyed that hope by "They just following orders."
@@joshuagrover795 Uh, no. If Magneto did not have any intention of returning fire, he could simply deflect those shells and missiles away from the island. When he paused them in the middle of the air and spinned them towards their ships, his intention was clear.
Lookin at Charles’s face after he said those words, he realized it too.
Wrong choice of words. Now he's furious and will not be talked out of killing the fleets.
The scene where Magneto stops all the missiles mid flight and turned them all back at the fleet was one of the coolest scenes ever.
… this is that scene.
@@salvadormartinez8577 No, this was the scene where he first does that, and then it's shown what he tries to do and the consequences that came along
There are like 20 best scenes of magneto like this ,best character for a reason
3:53 US Navy Captain: gentleman it's been an honor serving with you
Soviet Navy Captain: спасибо товарищи за вашу службу
Soviet*
All Russians were Soviets but not all Soviets were Russians.
Soviet commander says "товарищи, спасибa за службу"
"tovarishchi, spasiba za sluzhbu" or "comrades, thank you for (your) service"
@@StraightEdgeSieghartSoviet from Belarus, Finland, romania too??
@@KygoCalvinHarris-xu4kvThe Soviet Union included 15 different countries.
Including Russia or rather the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic).
I am still surprised that some people think that the Soviet Union and Russia are one and the same thing
@@Olya0247 most Eastern European countries and Finland right
The guy is a Holocaust survivor, Charles! Those were very poor choice of words
Who are you talking to? It's just a clip
@@norouziman8748 it doesn’t matter if it’s a clip! The situation itself is deep and complex of complex characters and their motivations. The fact that Erik was terrorized by nazi who were “following orders” was a very poor choice of words.
"Very poor choice of words..HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA" Joker
Survivors who then choose to wreck havoc just because someone else caused them all that!
Absolutely right
2:55 “They’re just men following orders”
Uhh… Charles… that is the *ABSOLUTE* *WORST* *THING* you could say to someone with Magneto’s history!
But it doesn't change the fact that those Soviet and American naval sailors were just following their orders.
Why does magneto go Irish at that point ? “I’ve been at the mercy of men just followin orders, so I have “
@@commanderiosifstalin4938just because they're following orders doesn't mean they are innocent people
@@commanderiosifstalin4938and it doesn’t change the fact that many innocent people would’ve been killed if it wasn’t for magneto. Following orders doesn’t make it alright
@@commanderiosifstalin4938
Yes just like the nazi soldiers
This movie is, without a doubt, one of the best superhero movies of all time.
What I love about this sequence is that Marvel wasn't afraid to prove one of its most intelligent characters completely and utterly wrong. Xavier spent virtually the entire movie preaching to Erik about how killing Shaw would not bring him peace, and how he had to let it go. Instead, killing Shaw is so cathartic for Erik that it almost directly unlocks full access to his power. And as Erik gently floats to the ground, supported by his own fully realized powers of magnetism, the shock on Professor X's face makes it clear that this is an outcome he never contemplated.
Was he in peace though? Doesn't seem like it, not there and not for al his future life
@@Baddaby No - I didn’t say he was in peace. The point is that Xavier was wrong - peace wasn’t what Erik needed. Also, peace was never an option.
Xavier was also wrong about humanity’s attitudes to mutants in the end.
SPOILER ALERT
In the events of Logan, if we’re considering a war between mutants and humans, the humans have essentially won. The best way to commit genocide is to make sure no new members of that race are born, and that’s exactly what Zander Rice did with his GMO food.
@@ShaunakDesaiPianoLogan isn't canon to the main timeline, it's an alternate timeline built around giving Hugh Jackman a good sendoff. We know it's not canon because we see young mutants running around in the DoFP epilogue, young enough to be born after the year they say mutants stopped being born in Logan, since all the future scenes in DoFP take place in 2023.
@@MystrohanSadly, not for Erik, no. But it is an option for others, which is what makes their rivalry so compelling, the way Mags becomes a manifestation of the cycle of violence. He's a compelling ass character.
Magneto was right all along.
The mutants did not start a war against the humans, the humans started a war against the mutants in every possible way until they killed all the X-Men.
Not just X-Men, all mutants.
Even humans who weren't mutants at all.
@@bobsponge1877 You can see that Magneto was good at first until the human decided to exterminate his own kind. Never Again!
@@bobsponge1877 Oh yes, humans who persecute, annihilate, judge, discriminate, hate and destroy everything. Yes, human are way better, right. Get off your pathetic high horse. Humans are NOT better.
Explain how humans are better? In what way are humans superior? In the last 5 years we've managed to all but tear ourselves apart more times than not. We are NOT better. We CAN do better, but until we do, we are no better than the 99 percent of other forms of life on this planet, if anything were worse.
@@bobsponge1877 that moment when you literally out yourself as racist
Great chemistry between McAvoy and Fassbender. They both acted so well in this movie. Magneto certainly wasn't going to follow his friend's orders.
The VFX artists are the true heroes here
Those missiles falling and taking off again looks so cool as a super power
Except some missile's shape was screwed up. Some of them are even in Z shape, what is weird.
Looks unfinished at 2:25
"Never again" not just an awesome line, but the ACTUAL Holocaust Slogan. Fantastic delivery, awesome research, good accuracy (with some exceptions) to history, and great directing as well as editing, what's not to live about this scene or this movie? 👍👏👏👏
what holocaust?
@@steve4njTHE holocaust
@@steve4nj As far as i know, magneto was a holocaust survivor in that movie.
@@yatzeegamingopI think he was making a "the holocaust didn't happen" joke
@@steve4nj The holocaust is when the nazis were killing jewish people. Erik was one of them, but he survived the war
Love how at 3:32, Mystique is the only person that Magneto does not push away
He tried she was just to heavy to lift.
😂
@@zom8680 probably those meat between her legs
Her uniform isn’t…..real, right? Maybe that’s why he can’t push her back?
@@zom8680ouch! 😂
@@Wei-HsuLin it has to be or she would pass out in the plane
Charles is arguably the smartest of them all and yet he’s the one who says the *WORST* possible thing one can say to a person who has suffered persecution and witnessed genocide first hand carried by people who justify it as simply “following orders” while taking pride and pleasure in it and avoiding justice at all cost!
He honestly thought Erik would relent after giving that justification?
Jajaja. Es un caso clasico de como la desesperación puede anular tu raciocinio. Charles simplemente intentaba dar cualquier motivo para evitar que Erik cometa una masacre. Después de todo, eso era lo convenido. Si no vencían a los malos, la isla sería bombardeada. Sabían eso e igual se metieron a la isla.
Also, because Erik was wearing the helmet that blocks Charles’s powers, Charles was left with only words to dissuade Erik from making that choice. Without the helmet, I’m sure Charles would have been able to affect the outcome.
It's scenes like this that give so much context to Erik decades from this moment saying "You think just because you can see inside my head you know how it feels?" Charles is capable of feeling other people's emotions and understanding a lot of what goes on in their conscious mind. But really digging deeper into their subconscious and truly seeing people for who they are and what THEIR understanding of their feelings is (rather than Charles' understanding), is something that does still take work for him. And sure, Erik had the helmet on here. But Charles made it very clear he'd dug through literally all of Erik's memories prior to this point, even ones Erik himself had forgotten. But Charles' views from his own life can distort his perception of those memories. Erik's memories led him to believe that the humans would turn on them the second Shaw died. He was right. Charles should have also anticipated that. Hell, he should have seen it coming before even Erik did, since he could read the minds of every CIA operative they were near, and should have predicted how they would react based on that. But Charles is often incapable of looking at things objectively.
For the record I think these are good things from a story perspective since it makes the dynamic between Charles and Erik a lot more interesting.
@@wafflingmean4477 Good analysis
Erik loves Charles more than he hates humans.
As you grow up you can't help to agree with Erik more and more. Aside from pointless killing (which he does a lot) he's basically right about everything. Humans would wipe mutants out of existence if they could.
It's not really pointless killing, would it be pointless killing if humans were doing it
“they were just following orders”
Erik : “And I took it personally “
"NEVER AGAIN!"
Those words have special meaning for some.
Wait for it... X-Men 97 episode 2 😏☕
@@I-speak-U-shut-it it's never again. No never WATCHING again
Charles: they're just following orders
Eric: very poor choice of words
I can't say how many times I watched this movie and I still see Erik as the one in the right. He always took action and never lied.
Michael is an amazing actor.
these two are honestly one of my favourite foils of each other, best duos in fiction in recent memory for me. love that both care for mutantkind and their abilities reflect what they sense most in humanity - magneto's metal telekenesis detects their capacity for great harm, while charles' mindreading lends to his empathy, but both can detect men's intentions. and the scene where magneto inadvertently makes charles a cripple for the rest of his life is such great history and subtext for some of the stuff we see down the line. peak peak peak
The fact that X helped magneto how to channel his true power to the fullest extent. And seeing what he was capable of doing when he launched the missiles back at the navy..
X face tells a thousand words.
*Xavier:* "They're just following orders!"
*Joker:* "Poor choice of words."
謝謝！
Notice how Charles was the only one who showed no fear as the missiles were getting closer to the beach, because he already knew that Eric could catch every single one of them. He never lied when he told Eric that his powers could be greater than his own.
Yes for sure.
It make sense, since Charles was the only person who saw Magneto turning the huge sattelite dish.
He was even smiling when he caught them. He was proud lmao
I'm with Magneto here, they totally started it and deserved the equal retaliation
But would you be willing to kill that many people
@@paulgentili1425 Me? No, but it doesn't change the fact it is a justified retaliation
@@paulgentili1425 i mean if they tried killing me
@@paulgentili1425 Yes I will. If they are willing to kill, they must also risk death.
@@merikmalhads1676 if i baby strikes you, are you justified in falcon punching them?
Magneto protected an island from a buster call, well done.
you could say they all got out of there in one piece...
except for charles, he got the short straw.
Or "Freedom Strike" from Counterside.
Ohara Lives
@@dastardlybastardthe2nd Ohara lives.
I like the detail of when erik pushes the x men team back he does all of them except for mystique. Shows how much he did care for her
2:23
My man.. THIS IS THE MAGNETO'S CLASSIC COMIC BOOKS EXPRESSION
2:35 He was smiling until he saw the missiles turned around
Yeah at first Charles was like "Damn... neat."
It is really one of those situations where there can't be true peace, humans can't live under fear, and mutants can't be asked to not use their power for their own benefit. War is inevitable and while nature selected mutants as the next step in evolution,but the human mind can more than compensate for that (eventual creation of sentinels or gene therapy in Logan)
When the allegory flies over your head because you accept the canon so hard lmao
Exactly, just give everyone super powers, and unlike nature we can probably give everyone every super power all at once
Only because the movies downplay the power of mutants, to the point when even Dark Phoenix is not very impressive.
In comics, any of the omega level mutants can destroy the entire planet, unless stopped by an equally strong superhero. And many mutants can't be killed by anyone.
It'll be a definite "cold" war made up of some kinda "rules" that humans and mutants wage. While humans are probably the greatest hunters and have been for hundred thousand years these mutants pose a new threat to human dominance over the earth. Unfortunately, there is no Earth 2.0 and until everyone figures that out there will always be a slow rolling war amongst the two factions. But make no mistake humans have the upper hand in terms of vast resources such as the making of Sentinels. We have cameras that can catch light, slow it down to almost nothing, this incorporating it into a Sentinel for example would make light speed mutants useless. Super strength mutants would mean little either. Eventually the technological side of humanity would wipe out mutants.
If humans become a mutant society, whereby things like status etc. were based upon mutant powers (as is bound to happen), that'll be the end of our story.
This is because of "overspecialisation" (for the lack of a better term).
Humans have come this far simply because unlike other powerful species on this planet, we received only limited direct natural gifts. We didn't have some natural occurring "shtick", whether venom or claws and fangs etc. to centre our living around.
So we were forced to use our brains to solve problems as well as band together into cohesive societies (both these pressures further selected for intelligence and social adaptation).
Versus two Omega mutants? Wow! Great thinking!
I thought Jean Grey is omega lv not Charles :v
This proves that Simon Kinberg can do a better job as a PRODUCER than as a WRITER
In fact, he was the one who pitched Matthew Vaughn to direct this movie
So many years later and I still get shivers when I watch this, such a powerful scene!!!
This is the first but not the only time Magneto turns a humans' attempt at mutant extermination back on itself
I like how the audience was able to get a great old acting magneto and a great young acting magneto
I just realized something. The fear and hatred of other people towards him and his fellow mutants don't terrify Erik anymore. Hell, they excite him!
Probably the best scene in all of X-men’s movies
The sheer power to stop 50 rockets all headed in excess of 2500 miles per second is unimaginable. Even though his power is to manipulate metal. His strength grew so much throughout the movie.
What if they were proper shells instead of rockets
Magneto doesn't just "control metal"
He has power over the entire electromagnetic spectrum @@zachariastsampasidis8880
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 He stopped shells too if you actually use your eyes
Or it's just bad writing. Power levels are not really consistant.
Now that I think about it... couldn't Charles just quickly take over the minds of these generals and tell their men to stand down or something? He has the ability!
i think his power was not that strong yet there was no people mind freeze scene in this movie
Even if he were powerful enough to it at that point in his life, I don't think his morals would have allowed him to forcibly take control of others at that point. In this movie, and in most of the characters screen time in the Fox franchise, Xavier only uses his telepathy to as a sort of communication tool with others. Its shown earlier in the movie when Erik goes hunting Shaw in the beached sub.
@@zeoo113 He changes the mind of the CIA dude to drive to the secret site instead of talking to his bosses.
@@toakongu1 He stopped Shaw. And it's not really morally wrong to at the very least inform the generals that the situation has been resolved. He doesn't have to freeze them just let them know that "Yeah it's fine people! We're all fine down here".
@@delta9685 I mean crowd and the distance was another factor
I have always loved Eric and Xavier’s brotherhood. Like even w total opposite ideologies they both still genuinely care about each other and both grew up fighting for mutants their ENTIRE life in completely different ways
This was one of the best xmen movies to date
X-Men first class is perhaps one of the most underrated movies.
0:14 that crack sound💀
‘Never Again!’-that always hits hard. The obvious double meaning. Brilliant writing!
Magneto has got to be my favorite anti-hero.
It just occurred to me that magneto has to wear that helmet to bed
You would too if you knew mind control waves existed!
American captain: "Gentlemen, it's been an honor serving with you"
Russian captain: "Comrades, thank you for your service"
Shooting metal bullets at a metal controlling guy ? Good idea.
😂😂😂
Considering the outcome, yes, it WAS a good idea to shoot metal bullets at Magneto, because that forced him to choose between controlling her bullets or controlling the naval salvo.
@@rileymclaughlin4831 eh he only let the bombs go once he realized one hit Xavier, still a shit plan.
shoot enough of them and it wont matter ceramic would be the better choice, not all metals are magnetic. and those warheads were very explosive, last time i checked he wasnt blast proof
At that time they didn’t know what each mutant on the beach could really do.
God I appreciate this movie more and more as time goes on. :) And really, Xavier and Erik's friendship more and more too. Both sides with very valid and understandable points, destined to come to blows. There's a reason why X-Men continues to stand the test of time.
Deep inside, Magneto is a good chap. "A villain is just a victim whose story is not told".
The close up at 2:22 combined with the intense music is probably my favorite shot in the entire X Men franchise
Seriously, how could you possibly convince a man who practically grew up in a prison camp and witnessed his mom get murdered, to call off his revenge against men who are just following orders? Those missiles were mercy compared to how Magneto's people suffered in the hands of men who were just following orders.
I love that the VFX artists included the detailing of the rocket motors of the missiles fizzing out when Erik stops them as they each have limited fuel, most people would skip over that fact
0:37 “I feel their guns moving in the water”. Til this day I have no idea why Michael Fassbender decided to completely switch to an Irish accent for the end of this movie 😂 completely took me out of the movie
Maybe in his past life Erik was an innocent victim of the Black and Tans.
Fassbender is half-Irish. Maybe he was tired.
he speaks in an Irish accent frequently during the movie and never really masks it. you can really hear it in his German, he's German Irish and speaks with a slight Irish accent, but moreso in his first English line "let's just say I'm Frankenstein's monster and I'm looking for my creator" it sounds SO Irish. It's because he IS Irish, and for most of the movie he kind of masks it a little but also really doesn't. He doesn't bother doing an English accent he kind of just softens his usual one.
03:53 The meme that everyone it's looking for
Erik's posture when he hit Charles with that bullet is priceless.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Charles: "They're just following orders."
Erik: "I order them to die."
"..."
Remember everyone. Following orders doesn’t make you innocent, it only makes you complacent Eric shouldn’t have been stopped. People need to learn that treachery must and will be punished.
The thing that made this movie age well is the fact that both Xavier and Magneto had their right and wrong points. Unlike the original trilogy where Xavier was ultimately made right and Magneto wrong.
Here Xavier and his ultimate optimism about human attitude towards mutants was wrong, but Magnetos militant attitude toward humans did not solve the problem either
Best depiction of Magneto Ever.
He made these movies. His scenes are the best parts by far it’s not even close
This was my favourite x-men movie of all.
O Magneto correndo para socorrer o Xavier depois de ver que ele foi acercado por uma bala é uma das coisas mais lindas que eu já vi nesse filme. Não me canso de ver essas cenas.
Best romance movie ever
Even the horrors of what Erik endured as a holocaust survivor was ultimately trounced by his love of Charles
Lol 😂
에릭이 겪었던 참을 수 없는 공포, 분노, 복수심 조차 진정한 사랑 앞에선 무너졌습니다.
Why everything has to be imagined in that way?Charles was his best friend
Yuck. Why can one just be friends anymore? Why the big push for queerness? Erik and Charles have always been FRIENDS! Not lovers. Yes they do have a strong bond but that of friends!
@@DarthVoxynmaybe the original comment was a joke not meant to be taken seriously?
Everyone's acting all worried while Azazel's like, "Uh, I can just teleport us outta here guys."
Magneto is completely right, and Xavier is utterly stupid. These "innocent men following orders" had just tried to kill them by throwing tons of bombs at them, and would have succeeded if it had not been for Magneto. The fact that Xavier tries to stop him from retaliating instead of thanking him and keeping his mouth shut is very surprising and quite insane. Xavier displays here some unacceptable amount of hubris.
"Gentlemen its been an honor" Thats when you KNOW its a wrap😂😂
Love how Azazel could've just easily teleported himself or the others out of there but just stands there anyway
I think he was just in a moment of shock, by the time he got out of it Magneto stopped all of the missiles.
what an absolute masterpiece of a scene. SO MUCH packed into five minutes!
Magneto's rage was justified
0:56
“Go ahead, Charles. Tell me I’m wrong”
0:30 Irish accent intensifies
I'm on Erik's side because when good people fight back, it's to show bad people what not to do. So this sentence They are just following orders, it is not an excuse or a reason to make good people suffer.
I just realized the American captain is played by Michael Ironside, I recognized that voice with his little "it's been an honor" speech.
Also, if I had a nickel for every time he was involved with a cruise missile trying to sink an American warship, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
2:57 in this scene Charles literally could’ve said ANYTHING ELSE like encouraging him to throw the bombs into the air.
I believe that THIS was the trigger for magneto to do what he did.
Like Magneto did NOT know there were refugees on those boats.
He could’ve literally said “some of them are thinking of their mutant children and there’s a refugee boat,”.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I have to admit, when I first watched this scene, I was slightly disappointed Eric didn't manage to sink the ships.
0:13 the sound effect made me laugh 😂😂
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You do not tell a Holocaust survivor "They were just following orders". Xavier does not know what Magneto went through
FACTS 😊TEAM MAGNETO😊
The painful aspect of the scene is magneto was 100% right. Humanity just wanted to obliterate all that was considered a threat without compromise or understanding. God bless Charles Xavier for believing that there was a possibility for understanding, for his dream failed before it ever begun.
The best magneto and profesor x
Man all these comments about whether Eric's retaliation was justified really just proves how accurate this movie is the classic x men comics, especially since in the movie ends with people picking sides I guess it just is in our nature too being the side we think is going to be the winning One
Honestly Erik was definitely right to defend himself and Charles was wrong in his argument. Had he said something about them not knowing any better and giving him a chance to psychically explaining to them that they fucked up and they COULD die but the mutants choosing not to shows that they are the better men as such it would've been more leverage for mutants to be left alone. Erik mightve agreed to an intimidation tactic where they should what they COULD do but what they DIDNT do even when they were well within their rights to defend themselves
Yeah but this was a very tense moment and people don’t think clearly in such emotional turmoil.
Huge difference between defending yourself (just stopping the missiles) and actively attack them back with said missiles
@Baddaby circumstantial considering it was only the first volley, had Erik simply deflected them they'd likely fire another volley to neutralize the threat, Erik launching them back IS defending himself because they would've kept firing.
If someone emptied their entire mag shooting at you but missed every shot you'd be WELL within your rights to shoot them and it would be ruled self defense
@@cliffordgardner7975 they shot out of precaution because no one answered. Stopping the missiles means they were in control of the situation
@@Baddaby no they shot because they were ORDERED to fire and take out the mutant threat. Mactagart tried to radio in the all clear but they were cool with wiping her out too
Always found it odd how Michael Fassbenders accent changes during the last act of the movie. He talks with an English accent the whole movie and then suddenly his Irish accent comes out to play for the last act as if they just didn’t bother doing adr for the last 20 minutes
Top of the morgan.
I never noticed that when I first watched the movie, and now that you pointed it out, I can't un-hear it... 😂
If I'm remembering correctly Fassbender mentions his fluctuating accent in one of his interviews
@@freshandzesty1111 he had it downpat by days of future past tho. he sounded exactly like ian mckellan in that film
It's especially weird because a Holocaust survivor shouldn't have either English nor Irish. They would have either German, Western Slavic or Hungarian. With the name Erik Lensherr, probably German.
What will Xavier do to stop Magento's bloodlust?
A. Explain to him that making their bombardment seem useless is already enough of a display of power and that killing them is unnecessary.
B. Remind him that he is perpetuating another cycle of violence and that he is more than intelligent enough to come up with a better solution.
C. Trigger his PTSD with the infamous "just following orders" line of defense.
The answer may surprise you.
Would you like to know more?
Fassbender not even trying to change his Kerry accent for this entire movie really made these scenes something special.
The ships' AA would have been firing like crazy
Couldn't Xavier...just stopped them...in his mind.
his helment make him not to control his mind
This is how i met my wheelchair. Next, episode. This is how I lost my hair.