Off-Roading & Towing in the 2020 Land Rover Defender P400 - Has the British Classic Gone Soft?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- We take the brand new 2020 Land Rover Defender and find out if it's any good at towing or heading off-road.
#Defender #LandRover #SUV
I liked the fact that you explained more than others the camera systems, and some things like the briefings about 4x4 systems analysis.
I own one. It’s phenomenal in all aspects.
Me too! Love it!
And me - nothing else like it available
Mine is superb too. Dream car!!!
Same here. I’m obsessed!
me too, love it :-)
Hello from down under. Great review guys, I'm getting mine in October and I can't wait. Loved the segment on the towing and wading depth and thank you for mentioning the battery cable under the bonnet. Keep up the great work.
The best review, not only of the Defender but in general, I have ever watched, thank you man.
We are blushing...
@@TruckKing 😄 hahaha... no joke, when it comes to video and content quality, we the channel followers are all very serious my friend. The internet incl youtube is full of Defender reviews nowadays and none of them mentioned about the outside 3d camera view of the Defender on the move. Cheers, kudos and best regards to the rest of your team.
@@TruckKing What you called safari windows are actually known as Alpine lights, you may be getting mixed up with the safari roof fitted to some Land Rovers.
have you not seen Harry's Garage?
I think there was something wrong with that payload label, it has something between 790 -900 kg depending on the options, so at lot more than what you showed us.
Good video and review.
I own the original Defender, it's a good bit of kit, the best thing about the old Defenders is the fact there's no electronics that can fail, and if something does fail the chances are it would be repairable in the field enough to get you home. A good review though.
Superb review. Love the father and son perspective.
Great review.. Nicely balanced 👌🏼
Good review Well Done!
Most amazing thing...was not at the dealer for warranty work, unlike TFLs white one.
ok looser
Great review 👏
Great Review!!!!
Great vid guys, getting tired of the TFL (Toyota fan boy lounge) thing. Looks pretty impressive to me. 👍
Toyota fan boy thing? Is it toyotas fault that the defender they bought has been in the dealer for a month, cause it's a pos
Thanks 👍
This is the suv of the year for a reason. It is an excently engineered vehicle. It can handle most off road situations straight out of the box, and drives wonderfully on road. It is too soon to comment about reliability issues, but if it has any, a reputable independent shop can solve those issues. I know because my father founded Modern Classics, an independent shop that specialized in European vehicles, and we serviced all the top end brands without much if any additional cost to lower end vehicles like Chevy or Toyota.
The North American models come prewired for a trailer brake controller. You can buy whatever trailer brake controller you want and use a standard Ford wiring harness. It’s plug and play. Takes five minutes to install. Works well. This is true for all North American land rovers that come with hitch from the factory. They’ve been doing it for decades.not sure about other countries around the world but I’m guessing they have it as well.
Thanks Kyle - we wondered
jeep uses the rubicon trail as a proving ground for their vehicles. land rover makes sure they avoid the rubicon trail at all costs. yet there are those who think land rover makes the best off road vehicles
Land rovers were always supposed to be overlanders and work vehicles in the day, don't know where the rock crawling thing came from.
According to many other sources, payload is 1984lbs. Do you know what accounts for the difference? Maybe only the diesel version?
engine combo and option weight is always deducted.
@@TruckKing that's over a thousand pound difference though! Strange.
@@delenius1 You have no idea how much a diesel engine weighs.
@@larrysmith6797 No I know, and the diesel (or some model?) has 1000lbs *more* payload than this one!
Amazing review man!
Did you manage to get it to go over 190 miles without an engine failure?
Pathetic
@@Archiepopop take a look at. Video posted by TFL on the Defender. They Are now on thier third defender
05 Y61 Patrol off rod for life.
🤣🤣🤣
If you get the chance will you do a Toyota4Runner Venture, I have a 2020 Venture. Thanks. You 2 do a fantastic job.
Are they really that unreliable? My friend owns a used car lot and told me he wouldnt even consider taking one on trade ??
2 words: They’re terrible.
That’s three words actually...
Your friend is a smart guy.
Is a brand new model going to be as reliable as say a Corolla? (or at least the popular perception of a Corolla given my wife had one that was a total POS)? Probably not. Is it going to explode 30 yards outside the dealership as all the guys who had a friend who had a brother who's nephew's aunt once had one would have you believe? No. I don't have a new Defender as it doesn't suit my needs, though friends do have them. I do have 4 other Land Rovers though. If you're the sort of person that takes their car to a dealership to rotate the tires and change the oil it's probably not for you. But don't believe all the stereotyping you read on the interwebs based on 4th-hand reviews of a 30 year older model.
the payload is around 1900 lbs depending on the engine. not sure why the door sticker showed otherwise.
Good review! Did you notice more wind noise, due to the snorkel mounted on the drivers side?
The intake noise is very pronounced on the driver's side. The box on the passenger side produced quite a bit of wind noise though.
What about the roof rack? Was it buzzing over 65mph?
the all new PRETENDER
The fact you didn't bother taking it on your hydro line trail, come on man. You think you are impressed with it but you got no idea how capable it truly is. Pretty disappointed with that call
We made a call, we'll live with it.
@@TruckKing if you guys get it again, go for it. Based on what you have shown of that trail in all your videos, the defender would get through it with those tires providing there is no snow/ice there yet. I got a RRS with stock tires and it gets through things it really shouldn't lol. Keep the great content coming 👌
For me, this is not an option. My wife and I started shopping for a new car in the spring. After renting and driving quite a few "SUVs" we landed on the 4 runner. We considered quite a bit. Longevity, cost of maintenance, overall build quality. We didn't want a cross over, but we drove many of them to see if they passed the sniff test. For us, it came down to Jeep Wrangler, Jeep Grand Cherokee, 4 runner.
The Defender was considered, but the price, cost of ownership, and overall reliability...the tech I talked to said they would work all the bugs out. Yeah, no. I don't want to spend 70k on a car to have it in the shop. I am not spending 70k on a car that has a higher chance of being a pile of crap than others we looked at
You made a good choice. I do miss my 4Runner Off-road edition. Never had an issue with it at all nor did I have an issue with my Wrangler. For everyday driving and overall use the 4Runner was the best.
@@SaltyDog69 we had a wrangler Rubicon (4 doors, not sure what the Jeepers call them). It was a beast when we took it down a few trails (it was a rental, so the trails were not too difficult). The on-road performance and noise left a lot to be desired. We rented an SR5 4 runner. Again, a beast off off road but the on road performance was great. Comfortable ride had enough "tech" to keep my wife happy, but not too much (the Grand Cherokee has a ton of tech stuff I didn't care for).
We ended up with a TRD Off-road package. We could not be happier. Got it for a screaming deal.
I hope you don’t have the diesel 4 runner. Over here (Australia) there is a class action against Toyota for their 4cyl Diesel engine issues. This engine is in our Hiluxes, Prados and Fortunas. I know they are rubbish because I had the misfortune of owning a new one - albeit only for 6 months before getting rid of it. Toyota has really dropped the ball lately on the quality control and reliability.
@@eight50 We don’t have the diesel in USA 🇺🇸.
@@SaltyDog69 your very lucky, they’ve been a nightmare here.
So much of capability is electronics. If you believe in that good vehicle. I doubt they last though and I rather go with 4 Runner or Wrangler mostly mechanical capability.
100 percent. Agree.
Love the track loader more then the truck.
Every man should have one. More reliable than people.
Should have taken thru the hydro line and mud. Just hook up to class 4 hitch with a tow rope, let this tow rope run out as far as the Defender goes, and when it’s gets stuck just pull it with your ford tractor or another vehicle
Yeah, not with those tires...
oh you were worried about the tyres!?
I just saw one in person today. More CAT on Android than Apple.
What trail did you take it on?
Its called fifth line - its an actual county road that they stopped maintaining decades ago. Nice because it is still public access.
Great review as always! Better buy three because two will be in the shop all the time! 😉😁
Pathetic
Truck King? Weren’t you TFL ?
Was - not anymore
Thank you for saying this. Thought I was going crazy.
Good move👍🏻
North American’s and their trailers that need the brakes controlling ?
European trailers you just hook up and they look after themselves
If you're going to drive into a lake, i want to see fish in the window!
Jr needs to drop 30lbs...
So who's going to buy this if they never open malls?
Says the man with Amazon shares...
The "Defender" will never see dirt!
They ruined the Disco 4 with the Disco 5 so this is their redemption.
Defender is Dead. Glad I bought one before end of production.
This is effectively a Disco 4 MkII (with 85 ecu units) and not a Defender.
Don’t get so hung up on the names. Who cares? Choice is great, life is short, relax a little.
It will sell, but for all the wrong reasons.
Really?
do you really call what this (off roading) ?!!!
Well, its off-pavement and no where near a mall.
@@TruckKing at least you had to do the hydroline run
"Military version"? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... at least you guys admit you know nothing about Defenders!
You’re lucky, you got back out of the woods... two other reviewers barely made it. LR is the most unreliable car I had in my life...
Pathetic. all you can do is make snark comments
@@Archiepopop I do not know how and if I offended you in some way. This is my experience and I am entitled to share it. If you don’t like it, move on... this is a public platform. If the publisher did not want comments, he would have disabled them.
JLR needs to offer their 3.0 litre diesel option for the Canadian market and then we’re talking.
I wasn’t impressed with mine to start with but once it loosened up a bit it’s a great engine
It’s averaged 27mpg for 6000 miles and I drive it hard one guy says his does 40mpg but I guess he drives like an old woman
You can get that in the UK the D300, presumably available in Canada too soon enough?
It's coming I believe. But once you've driven the P400, there's no going back...
Will likely get one eventually. I want a competent off road vehicle that can tow a 5000 pound Airstream. The Wrangler and the Bronco can’t do that. Yes, the Gladiator can, but the wife doesn’t want a pickup. Everything is a compromise and this Defender minimizes those factors for us.
I'd recommend it. I was in the same situation - needed hauling but wanted off road capability, but whenever going somewhere the wife wanted a comfortable ride, not the off road rig. I got a disco 5 and it's perfect. I expect the defender will be comparable or even better (maybe less room in the third row, but a little better off road)
Can you please lend your Defender to the guys at TFL?
🤣🤣🤣TFL will destroy something in it on purpose and then claim it is unreliable.
Great video and presentation from over the pond 🇬🇧.... 😉
without a doubt, you guys do some of the best reviews... now having said that, would have liked to see a 0-60 without a trailer, I imagine she pushes you back in the seat pretty good. thx for the video guys
Stephen, I hope your former math teachers were not watching this episode ;-)
A Land-Rover! You guys are moving up in the world! 😉 Great video. Thanks! Now I have to search that air suspension. It intrigues me. Want to know if one can make it fit on a Jeep.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk has the air suspension….works pretty good,,, I have one, but seriously considering the Defender!
Another good review. Very thorough. Wow it is expensive.
Love the new Defender. Can't wait for mine to come in.
I wish you and Doug demuro better luck than the TFL team is having with theirs.
@@jakes5530 TFL are pure clickbait. Lots of smoke and mirrors on that channel. Promps more views. This will be my 11th Rover. Never had a problem with any of them. Can't wait to get it and get it muddy.
@@VWkid4life If what you are saying is true you should play the lottery. You'd win every time.
@@underthelibertytree712 I won $1,000 on a scratch off once lol
Paul, you will love it. Tfl is a rare problem in terms of engine issues, plus they seem to have problems with lots of cars - too much tinkering maybe, or just after clicks. The problems I've had, like others have been related to the pivi pro, but the push updates keep fixing things, which you don't get from many other manufacturers. Enjoy it, its amazing off road!
Other sources state the payload as 1676-1984 pounds. 825kg in right in the middle of these values. It almost seems like an error when changing units around. The Honda Element back in the day had a similarly useless payload rating that I always questioned as a unit conversion error.
You realise your model doesn't have the optional E-diff lock right?
With that option ticked, better offroad tires, 291mm or almost 12 inches of clearance (straight down the middle! with 2 settings higher still possible), it's actually impressively capable offroad.
And yet it's quicker than a Golf GTI from 0 to 60
375 Kg payload is a joke for any SUV/4WD vehicle of this size. 4 large fellows and their travel bags will overload it
The payload is actually circa 2000 lbs
Hilmi - based on my LR4 experience, you are wrong.
Great review - very enjoyable!
According to LR USA’s website the Defender has a little over 2,000lbs of payload.
Best defender 2020 review yet. Well done!
Alpine windows not safari windows.
I’d love to know what spec Defender you got because they have up to 900kg payload in some specifications. Something isn’t right. My Discovery Sport has a 620kg payload.
Yea well you are supposed to only use the full off road height in the suspension to clear obstacles otherwise it should be set lower.
payload of a 110 new defender is around 1900 lbs, isn't it?
Some of them must be misprints as 825kg is about what you'd expect this car to be at, not 825lbs.
SUPERB review!
Thanks for the heads up on the 825 lbs, saved me lots of headache. I believe if you get the third row it goes to 1157.... a must if you plan to tow. 👍
Great review! I love the off road cameras and wheel direction guides.
Thanks! 👍
Great video
I have to say I really like that rear trunk area. Wide open and nothing to obstruct getting objects in or out.
Great review 👍🇨🇦
Didnt like the look when I first saw it but its growing on me now. Very nice motor.
Nice review!
I like to see a comparison between defender and Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. Both have independent suspension and air bags all around.
If the timing works out we like to do that too.
Yeah man. I would like to see those two compared against each other. Because so far, the defnder sounds like overpriced Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk.
Yeah, you nailed it. The type of people that are going to buy it aren’t going to ever take if off road. It’s a poser. The back setup makes more sense if you think about putting a fufu dog back there. Lol
Well I bought one and its been off road A LOT! Its far better than my classic defender. A lot of people I follow on the groups also off road theirs. I think you are making a very general remark, but you may be surprised.
That payload sticker seems wrong! I could see 825kg or perhaps they meant to put 875kg which is about 1800lbs to 1975lbs which fits what I’ve seen on Land Rover’s website of between about 1,600lbs for a fully loaded larger engine to close to 2,000lbs for the smaller engine with minimal options.
Regardless of the payload number, thanks for showing what the door sticker actually states! Most reviewers don’t do that and it’s lame. Most people who use trucks need to know those things.
Another suggestion would be to take a tape measure and actually measure out the rear cargo area length, width, depth since most manufactures don’t seem to post those anywhere except for the volume which is useless. My Subaru Outback has almost the same cargo volume as this Defender, but the boxiness of the Defender results in much more actual useable space.
I am wondering if you have a resource that could answer this question. I just purchased the Defender X and I want to use my weight distributing hitch to tow my all aluminum 22’ car hauler(includes v hitch on trailer). Trailer payload is said to be 4560lbs do I need to somehow (if possible) turn off the dynamic stability system) to use this weight distributing hitch? Thanks!
Lisa
I thought this vehicle was suposed to have a huge payload? Is this because its the hybrid?
Per LRNA website GVWR is 7160 lbs, curb weight 5165 lbs giving 1995 lbs payload. FWIW, max tow is 8201 lbs
How many codes were thrown during the filming of this video?
This is a 4-day test - It behaved itself.
Pathetic
@@Archiepopop butthurt?
Great review!👍
This thing broke like toy car
Nobody buying this will take it off road or overlanding which is a good thing since it will just block a trail when one of it's million computers decides it's had enough of the bumpy stuff. Good luck getting parts for this when it breaks down too far from an area with a shopping mall and a Starbucks.
ok looser
@@yepitsme431 Your mom.
I bought mine with both offroad packs and tow package, nothing else. Mine will get dirty and I bought it for overlanding.
@@spikemd1364 Good to hear. There are going to be some that will see dirt but nearly all of them will be spotted at mall. More power to you. I'd like to hear how that goes after a few years of overlanding.
No tow hooks is ridiculous.
It has a screw=in type hook.
@@TruckKing those are actually easy to break..
NOT snorkel !
Land Rover💩🚽
In Australia the payload or GVM fully loaded is 3,165 kg when the weight of the Defender is removed that is about 2,400kg leaving 765kg payload that will include the trailer ball weight. The towing maximum is 3.5 tons and the train weight of both Defender and trailer is 6,665 kg. Therefore 375kg seems very low for this Defender as 4 people at 100kg would put it over weight. Is there an obvious reason for this?
not an obvious one - it just is
Did you drive it back into the lake to wash it off after you went out on the trail. You made further than TFL did with their defender. Nice shirt Stephen.
Thanks, my wife picked it out.
Ha ha no hole in it 🇨🇦
I am wondering if you have a resource that could answer this question. I just purchased the Defender X and I want to use my weight distributing hitch to tow my all aluminum 22’ car hauler(includes v hitch on trailer). Trailer payload is said to be 4560lbs do I need to somehow (if possible) turn off the dynamic stability system) to use this weight distributing hitch? Thanks!
Lisa
Lisa - the short answer is no. The WDH helps to give the rig a level attitude and reduce trailer sway - it won’t impact the stability system. However, I am wondering about the weight you mentioned. 4560 lb might be the carrying capacity of the trailer - but you have to add the weight of the trailer itself. At 22-ft that has to be at least 2000 - 2500 lb. You could gross out at over 7,000 lb and that’s a load I would not be comfortable towing with a Defender.
I thought the payload was supposed to be amazing in the defender?? 825 lbs! Thats awful! Are there models that get better payload? Or maybe those were numbers from Europe or Australia where they usually rate vehicles higher for payload and towing
Payload on mine says 1984 pounds.
This review on payload is wrong. 1984lbs, 900kg
@@Defender3d The specifications we have in Australia. Towing capacity: 3,500 kg
Kerb weight: 2,383 kg for Engine: 2.0 L 4-cylinder diesel
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@@sklyjd3051 yep, the review is wrong. We are talking payload however.
In the UK we don't use brake controllers we just stick a thin cable around the towbar and the trailer does the rest. That'll probably be why there isn't an option for a brake controller.
The USA models come prewired from the factory for a brake controller. You can buy any brake controller and use a Ford wiring harness. It’s plug and play. Works well. Takes 5 minutes to install. True with all North American land rovers that come with a hitch from the factory.
Your trailer is 20’ to the centerline of your twin axle?
Overall length
That’s what I thought. I think the input they are looking for is from the trailer hitch to the axle to get the turning radius.
@@jdenmark1287 Exactly - I wondered if anybody else caught that.
I just saw this Truck King video today. I think The Name of Truck is Peterbilt, Mack, or Kenworth. Evidently, only like Range Rover, Ram, or Ford truck, etc
Too bad this car lacks factory integrated trailer braking control. In an emergency braking situation this 5000lbs would be causing scary issues erupting deep inside my gut.
Otherwise- Great looking SUV. I will never buy one. Out of my budget plus no dealership support.
I will say, I think the Defender looks better in person, and I liked it before as far as being unique, like a Nissan Xterra. Hands down best review, you do an excellent job, and go to now....
This competes with the Wrangler and you can take it on the hydro-line. Maybe it belongs with the Grand Cherokee or Explorer.
Too much talk about features etc that is well known by now...do some actual hardcore off roading and give reviews of that!
"Land rover put positive and negative posts under these covers" ***camera person zooms in on beard****
Thank you very much for the review! Please do ore review of the defender on tougher trails! 🙂
how much would it cost to have land rover install a new battery way down deep in a defender engine bay?
Outstanding review guys. Thank you. Love the defender.
That thing has as much flex as a skateboard. Very weak sauce.
Id rather have the suzuki jimney here in the states than this this overpriced yuppie mobile.
Fancy rig for now, one day they will get beat up on the trails. Good video guys!
Great video, one of the best for the Defender. Can you post what your options were at that price. Keep up the good work!
It’s in the video.
Still going with a Jeep or a bronco