P. S I find it very odd that the manager and the waitress couldn't remember having served any of the victims that night. I've owned two restaurants and I can remember most of my customers and what the hell I served them 20 years ago LOL. One customer that I absolutely do remember was Mohamed Atta, the head guy that flew into the World Trade Center. He and the others stayed at a motel right near my restaurant in downtown Delray Beach and the minute his photo came out in the papers right after 9/11, I said oh Christ, I cooked for that guy.
Could the “pepperoni” actually be chorizo sausage? Chorizo would certainly be in a lot of meals served at a Mexican restaurant, and it is similar to pepperoni.
@@cynthiahughes1081 Pepperoni is American, I think, and similar to salami. Chorizo is Spanish, cured, paprika seasoned….both are red and could look similar….and both no doubt are considered sausage.
It was the hottest night of the year in LA, the night of the murders. People all over the city had their doors and windows left wide open. Starting the next night, that all changed.
I've kinda wondered the same thing about their last supper and the waitress not remembering them. You'd think someone would've remembered a heavily pregnant, beautiful woman on a hot summer evening. Always great content, Scott!
I'm leaning toward them not having gone to that restaurant that particular, fateful night. It was probably a regular haunt for them, but there's absolutely no evidence it's the last meal out they ever had! The only testimony they were there seems to be the manager saying Jay Sebring's name was on the waiting list for a table for four, though he never saw them himself, and a waitress claiming to have served the four, though she was unable to identify them afterwards from photos! It's possible the manager wanted to get the restaurant on the map, so invented the whole 'dinner for four' story and told a waitress to back his claim by saying she served them. If so, job done because El Coyote has been a big tourist attraction for the last 50 years thanks to the Sharon Tate/Manson murders connection.
That movie was a joke! About as real as Frankenstein! Never really cared for most of his movies - they are a joke! Rather watch the Flinstones cartoon instead!
If you want to watch a movie that was as factual as what happened watch "Helter Skelter" 1979? it will make you check your doors and make sure they are locked and have a handgun ready! I was just a kid and watched it by myself and it was scary!
Scott...You really are a treasure! Your knowledge and ability to recall not only the big things but the seemingly trivial details that make so many of your videos amazingly entertaining. I don't know how you do it or, what is going to be the next chapter in your life, but I sure hope you will continue to put out videos that are just as amazing for your loyal fans! Thank you!
Dear Scott, so glad to see you expand your vlogging. Economic times dictated what will turn out to be a very valuable and profitable addition to your excellent body of work. Keep up the good work, man.
@@DearlyDepartedTours when are you opening your dearly departed museum again I hope it reopened by the time I hopefully recover from my illness maybe in a year and a half? You missed a great opportunity with the recent death of Lisa Loring the original Wednesday addams...may she rest in peace...
I lived in Hollywood most of my life. I've dined at the El Coyote hundreds of times. 35 years ago when I first started going to EL Coytote there were waitresses that were still working there that had worked there the night Sharon and her friends had dined and they indeed told me the corner table was where they all had sat. That is indeed the table.
Debra Tate debunked the "El Coyote dinner" a long time ago. Sharon had the intention to stay home with Jay as she was not feeling well from the heat and pregnancy. Plus, the fact that the waitress does not remember nor the manager remember any of them being there... That says more than enough.
@@DearlyDepartedTours I meannnnnn there is a way she could know. She called Sharon that night to ask if she and friends could come over to get a saddle, but Sharon declined since she wasn’t feeling well and didn’t want to get ready for guest. But she told her she could come over the next day.
Ever read "Helter Skelter"?......page 85, the waitress that served them confirms they were there plus the manager on duty recalls seeing Sebring's name on the reservation list with a table for four requested.
It's possible Sharon had sat at that booth as she did like going there, just maybe not 'that' night. I guess we'll never know for sure if they were there. Thanks for the vids, this case continues to fascinate me.
I'm so happy to to see you are transitioning to youtube. My family loved going on your tours and hopefully we can join one again soon. My mother took every one of my friend group and boyfriend on a Dearly Departed Tour ❤
Since Sharon told even her sister she wasn't feeling it for guests to come over and nobody remembers them in the restaurant, it sounds like they were never there that night. This was a group of adult,s so maybe people just ate what and if they wanted to there at the house on Cielo that night?
Thank you, Scott. Interesting as always. I’ve always found the saddest thing to be how one of the Manson crew, during the trial, said that Abigail kept crying out for her mother. Simply heartbreaking. I wish we didn’t have to share our planet with people who refuse to turn their lives over to God or good.
Being on a waiting list isn't the same as a reservation. If there are more parties than tables a wait list is started even at places that don't take reservations.
Scott, being in nursing for much of my teenage years as a nursing assistant, and as an adult a nurse. I can shed some light on the urinating and defficating after death, I'll answer it this way. Most people after they pass will urinate and sometimes dedicate. Most coroner's will not know this because in general people are cleaned up by a nursing facility or hospital before being released to the coroner. Murder scenes of coarse are different. I can only speak for the later. I really enjoy your videos on the Tate LaBianca murders and learn something new every time. I read Helter Skelter as a 16 year old and didn't sleep for a week! I loved watching your documentary 6 Degrees of Separation, I found it very informative. You truly bring out why everyone is still fascinated to this day with Charles Manson and the year that shocked Los Angeles. I hope you'll always be around to bring us the best in death, lol! Your a true death hag. Jill Gross
I agree with you Wayne. I was a emt for years and in cases of cardiac arrest it was common for the patient, because of relaxation at death to urinate and/or deficate.
Hey Jill. I was born as Janice Gross, nice to see another Gross out here. My name is my marriage of course. My grandpa was Carl Gross in Hague N. Dakota. I love Scott for all his great information too!
Maybe Sebring called for a table, but they never went because Sharon wasn’t up to it? I wonder if the murderers thought she wasn’t home. Her Red Ferrari was being repaired so she had a rental parked in the garage. Maybe the plan was to ambush the three, or possibly just Frykowski and Folger because of a drug connection. They had the run of that house for most of that year. Just a thought.
From what I heard read and did some research it didn't really matter who was there or who wasn't there . The Manson murderers didn't even know Sharon and others they were going there on one mission only to kill whoever was there that night. Susan Atkins had bragged to her cellmates shorty before her cellmates had reported her involvement in those brutal killing . Susan had told her cellmates she and other Manson followers didn't know Sharon Tate and the others and it didn't really matter to them because everybody in that house was going to die that night.
@@darrellwheeler6088 Sharon and her photographer, Shahrokh Hatami, actually met Charles Manson a few months before the murder, looking for Terry Melcher. He was sent to the other house where he talked to the landlord, Rudi. He told Charles he didn't live there anymore and told him that he was going on a long trip to Europe so don't bother coming back anytime soon asking me about him. Shahrokh Hatami yelled at him and told him to leave. Sharon asked Shahrokh Hatami who that "creepy man" was. Abigail was once neighbors with Mama Cass. Mama Cass made Charles Manson leave one her parties. Jay is believed to have known Tex Watson when he sold wigs for a living. I also heard that some Manson family members once partied at the house and swam in their pool. It seemed like everyone knew each other somehow. There was a big web of connections. I heard that Jay and Voytek took advantage of a drug dealer (Billy Doyle) who was out of it. He and Voytek "violated him" by pulling down his pants and humping his butt, and flogging him like an alpha dog. Cass had a relationship with Pic Dawson. Pic and Billy were friends. This is reported in Tom O'Neill's book, CHAOS. So I think the motives for the murders were 1:) Get revenge of Jay and Voytek for humilation, and not getting good drugs 2:) take out Abigail because she couldn't get the connected to the Mamas and Pappas, and eliminate her as the next of kin for the Folger inheritance 3:) scare the hell out of rich, famous celebrities and musicians because Charles Manson and his crew were never given a record deal, and 4:) kill off the hippie movement which supported communist ideology and destroyed conservative, Christian values. Hippies were viewed as anti-American, military-hating people. They opposed the Vietnam War.
When I went to California in 1981 I made a point of my LA visit to eat at the El Coyote. It pretty awesome it's still there and looks as it did all those years ago and is still in business.
I find it hard to believe Sharon Tate was there and no one remembered her. She was strikingly beautiful and extremely pregnant. Those kind of people tend to get noticed and remembered. I was also thinking those poor people. When they ate whatever they ate as their last meal, they could not have fathomed someone would later cut them open and index that meal.
I've always thought the same thing. You have the most beautiful woman/actress in the world eating at your resteraunt & noone remembers her?? Also, the waitress would have remembered Jay, he was so gorgeous... this is so odd..
@@ForeverAlansGirl Maybe they weren't well known to the public. Many high-profile people knew Jay because he cut their hair. I hate to be mean but Sharon was a B-movie actress. Not a household name yet. She may not have been wearing makeup. I bet some people could have walked right by Taylor Swift while she is jogging and not even notice her.
I also read that it was Sharon 's favorite restaurant, that was her preferred booth, and Jay made reservations for that night. They could have decided to dine in and not actually gone, but the lore survived because of Jay's reservations.
According to Sharon's sister Deborah who had a conservation with Sharon over phone a couple hrs before the murders on that horrible night. Debra had said that Sharon Jay Abigail and Voctec Frykoski did not go to any restaurant that night because Sharon was very tired due her condition and advance pregnancy and wanted to stay at home and relaxs and also because of the swelted heat from that summer. Which make a lot more sense since nobody didn't remember seeing any of them there.Jay probably made reservations to go there that night but probably nobody didn't go because Sharon wasn't feeling up to going out that night and I believe her sister Deborah story. Plus Deborah had also asked Sharon could she come over to spend a night at her house that same horrible night but Sharon had told her sister Deborah no not tonight she wasn't feeling well due to her advance pregnancy maybe another time. Not realizing that her life and others were going to end within a couple hrs after talking to her sister Deborah for the last time. Deborah was very close to being killed that same horrible night had her sister Sharon giving her the ok to come over to spend a night
@@darrellwheeler6088 The others could have gone to El Coyote w/o Tate. The fact that they were not remembered by the restaurant staff is "unremarkable."
It very likely that they didn't go to that restaurant that same terrible night because Sharon' Tate's sister Deborah who had talked to Sharon that same terrible night just a couple hrs before the murders had occurred she said Sharon and the others did not go to any restaurant that night because she was very tired and her advance pregnancy and also the swelted heat that summer which makes a lot more sense. I do believe her story because she and Roman were the last people to speak to her over the phone just shortly before her tragic and senseless death.
@@darrellwheeler6088 Jay, Voytek,and Ms. Folger might very well have gone to El Coyote for dinner, and they probably did, for the woes of advanced pregnancy could have hardly affected them the same way it affected Sharon.
This is a great vlog, Scott. Very interesting and informative. I have always been morbidly fascinated about the whole Manson family thing as I remember hearing as a very small child snippets of it on the news. When I was working at the library I happen to read that Helter Skelter book. It was good. Tarantino did a good thing having you as a consultant or technical advisor as you know your stuff.
Not for nothing but anyone who ever saw Sharon for the first time said she would take your breath away. She was just that incredibly beautiful. So certainly someone eating at The El Coyote that night would have remembered seeing her walk by
Really good video Scott. We will never really know what dinner they had. Watching a movie being made would be an amazing experience. Seeing the actors play their parts would be haunting. Happy 90 years El Coyote. Can you please do a video or podcast on the Playboy bunnies deaths...
We are all indebted to Scott and Mike Dorsey for the production of "The Six Degrees of Helter Skelter." Scott remains a national treasure for his interests and his talent for producing such unique and interesting videos. Stay cool and hydrated in Palm Springs.
Ok 2 things did anyone see all the orbs when Scott shows the book , with everyone being so scared I don't think anyone would confess to see the 4party in the restaurant. Great coverage!!!!!!!!
I find it suspicious that no one remembers them from that night. I was manager and waited tables at a restaurant for 5 years. I remember my customers very well, especially if they came in frequently. But even if I sat someone or served someone and the next day the paper said they were murdered I would of been like “holy crap they ate ______ last night”
"Would _have_ been," not "would _of_ been," and how is the fact that a waitress 50-some years ago did not have as good a memory as you do in any way suspicious?
Hi Scott, great vlog. This has always fascinated me also, I was about 11 when this happened and my family lived only about 15 miles away. I remember what a huge news story it was at the time.
I loved that movie once upon a time in Hollywood, I jumped out of my chair screaming I was so happy with it!! I bet people who saw it in the theatre screamed out too!!! Anyone know?
I cried and elated. I said to my daughter this is what should have happened I read the book ago 15 first page states this book will scare the hell out of you Buglosi was right
@@ShannonLee1956 Yep same with me but it wasn't scary because in reality she died and in that film it was 'if she had survived' - so a fictional fest really !!!!
I was able to eat there at the same booth with a friend who worked in the industry. That was one of my best road trips ever! Food wasn’t too bad either.
Thanks so much for another fantastic video. Regarding what happened or didn’t happen, where they ate or didn’t eat sounds to me that for the night of filming you were there, they were there and it will never be forgotten.
Another interesting video on the books, Scott. "Helter Skelter" is the only book I ever read in one sitting. I don't remember the date, but I bought the paperback as soon as it came out, so I'm old.
7/27/69 R.I.P. Gary Hinman Scott , I know you have a lot on your plate , but if you get a chance , a video about Gary Hinman would be interesting Thank you for all you do
There is some weird info and or speculation that the killers may have been stalking Sharon, Sebring, and the others. One night while Sebring and co. Were at his home...the same home once owned by Jean Harlowe, someone may have attempted to cut the wires...possibly phone wires to the house, but instead, had tripped a wire that caused the lighting outdoors to either come on or burn brighter than usual. This incident caused the killers to flee. This may have been the first attempt by members of the Manson family to kill the occupants at the house on 10500 Cielo Drive. Don't know if this is true or not.
I’ve heard that too but there’s no physical proof of it. That’s why I went with this, some thing I could actually work with. The other stuff is just conjecture. I appreciate you watching, thank you
@JoesVinylShow1980 indeed and this will be covered in Chaos 2 by Tom O'Neill and about more findings of Steven Parent story. Can't wait for its release and if that's true about the night before at Jay's place is true then this differently blows the whole Helter-skelter bullshit narrative out of the water and or the final nail in the BS narrative.
My daughter and I visited Scott last summer for the Departed tour. After we met Scott and posed with him, we went to El Coyote and ate burritos and drinks. Now I go there every time I'm in LA. Swiped a menu on the way out!
Regarding the book, I was about 8 years old or so when I stumbled across it in the mid-70s. The creepiest thing was the black and white pictures in the middle of the book that were whited out of the victims of the crime scenes. I knew that there was something terrible, something horrible that the publisher or author or whoever edits the book was saving the reader from. M parents let me watch the movie on TV and of course, it really bothered me and couldn’t sleep for days. Almost 50 years after reading this book it still strikes so much terror thinking about all the victims of the Manson family and I’ve hated hippies ever since. Lol!
I have your dvd on Manson. Found you have a channel. To my pleasant surprise. I'd hope your followers get to see the documentary on Manson you did. Very in depth. Love the presentation. And how you went to even the difficult places to show as much to us. Again so glad to see you have channel. Sub and bell. 👍❤
Great video Scott. Please keep making these! I purchased your "Six Degrees of Helter Skelter" and love it too. I usually re-watch it once a year. Great info.
Fascinating information as always regarding the Tate murders. I grew up in LA and have gone several times to the El Coyote with friends. Their food is so-so but the drinks are cheap and strong. It's a part of L.A. history whether Sharon and her friends visited or not.
I could believe no one remembered the other 3. I can't believe Sharon Tate could go anywhere and someone not notice her. Even if she wasn't a celebrity she would be remembered by someone.
I agree, noone remembers the most beautiful woman in the world being in their restrraunt?? Also, as a woman, Jay was eye candy.. someone would have remembered him too...this is so odd..
@@ForeverAlansGirl without the beautifying power of makeup and expensive, fashionable clothes, some female celebrities can go out in public and not be asked for an autograph. Only her friends would instantly recognize her. Sharon, I heard, was a thrifty clothes shopper.
Some? It's a complete fabrication by Bugliosi to sell his book. I recognise your pic and I'm sure like me are subscribed to Paulcast who exposes Bugliosi crap and what a POS he was as well Nancy Farrell from True Crime & Moonlight.
Wow, really cool video. I live in Ireland and will probably never get to see these cool places in person, so very much appreciate these videos. Does anyone know what ever happened to the original cars from cielo at the time. Jay sebrings porsche etc?? Anyone know where those cars are today? Many thanks 🙏☘️☘️☘️
A waiting list is different than a reservation. On a Friday night in Los Angeles even then you would have to add your name to the wait lost until a table was available hence their wait in the bar area. A wait list isn't a reservation
I went on the tragical history tour when I was in LA. We did not go into Benedict Canyon or up to Cielo Drive. I definitely would have remembered it. I’ve been obsessed with this case since I was a kid. I was 4 when the murders happened
I heard the residents on the private section of Cielo Drive are tired of tourists walking up the street, and sometimes yell at them. Not much to see since the original house has been torn down since the early 90s. You will just see a gate. Whoopee.
The one problem I have with the El Coyote scene is they enter the restaurant around 7 pm and it's dark outside. At 7 pm on August 8th, it would be a full sun early evening. Other than that, perfection. The other thing: I was born in LA in July, 1968 and was alive during the murders. My parents were active "scavenger hunters" and apparently had the Spahn Ranch sign and used it for a chicken coup! I passed by the remnants of the ranch "back in the day" and you couldn't distinguish it from it's surroundings. I was always obsessed with the Manson crimes, but nowadays I couldn't care less about Manson or his accomplices, and more about the innocent victims of their horrific crimes.
Thank you for this video. I think the gentlemen had the soup and drinks. I heard Jay really liked there tortilla soup. The beans and corn kinda seals it for me saying they ate there. But it's weird no one remembers them. And if Debra says she doesn't think they went 🙄🤔 then I'm confused but then again I don't see them whipping up dinner in the kitchen that nite. Pepperoni and olives sharon may have had some at home for her pregnant cravings when they got back. Love you scott
Wonder if being so pregnant and it being hot (and El Coyote can get stuffy inside) if she didn't eat there and got some comfort food at home. And does anyone have a menu from that time period? Some dishes come, and some go (they lost several due to Covid closures). When I thought of Pepperoni, I thought of Pepperoncini or Peperoncino. The reservation (did they take them back then?) was on a Friday which would be very busy. I did eat there once inadvertantly on one of the anniversaries and remember Billy mentioning it.
Quite fascinating! I can only imagine what an emotional experience it was for you to witness the portrayal especially as muchas you have become familiar with those involved. as with most everyone else, if only the film ending had been the real one for them.
Sharon was a pretty big star at that time in 1969, I would think a few, if not several people, would have noticed her and remembered seeing her there if she actually was there.
@@vapalaca She wasn't a leading actress, but she was in several films with big stars, married to a very famous director, friends with the super famous, and exceptionally beautiful. All those things amplified her fame more than her acting career alone. I can't think of anyone to draw a parallel, but who would you say?
P. S I find it very odd that the manager and the waitress couldn't remember having served any of the victims that night. I've owned two restaurants and I can remember most of my customers and what the hell I served them 20 years ago LOL. One customer that I absolutely do remember was Mohamed Atta, the head guy that flew into the World Trade Center. He and the others stayed at a motel right near my restaurant in downtown Delray Beach and the minute his photo came out in the papers right after 9/11, I said oh Christ, I cooked for that guy.
That’s frightening considering how many times I’ve been in Delray.
I read that Sharon Tate's sister said she did not go to El Coyote that night and that she stayed home that evening.
Atta had a strange face.
Especially in Hollywood?
Crazy!
You do a great job of keeping her memory alive
When Tarantino makes a movie about the murders he seeks.out Scott Michaels for advice!! How f..ing cool is that? 😎
Who is Scott Michaels ?
@@IanP1963 the man you’re watching.
I would have broken down if I was there watching that scene of the car pulling up to El Coyote. I’m so glad you got to be apart of the movie!
Could the “pepperoni” actually be chorizo sausage? Chorizo would certainly be in a lot of meals served at a Mexican restaurant, and it is similar to pepperoni.
@@cynthiahughes1081 Pepperoni is American, I think, and similar to salami. Chorizo is Spanish, cured, paprika seasoned….both are red and could look similar….and both no doubt are considered sausage.
@@geslinam9703 yup.. dang didn't have my glasses on this morning.. thanks
@@cynthiahughes1081 haha! No worries.
Or it could say pepperoncini peppers. I think I spelled it wrong.
Yes I was thinking the same thing
It was a real privilege to see Scott's record of the El Coyote filming. The night looked really atmospheric -- a night to remember in many ways.
It was the hottest night of the year in LA, the night of the murders. People all over the city had their doors and windows left wide open. Starting the next night, that all changed.
I've kinda wondered the same thing about their last supper and the waitress not remembering them. You'd think someone would've remembered a heavily pregnant, beautiful woman on a hot summer evening. Always great content, Scott!
Yeah, Sharon had one of those faces you don't easily forget.
I'm leaning toward them not having gone to that restaurant that particular, fateful night. It was probably a regular haunt for them, but there's absolutely no evidence it's the last meal out they ever had!
The only testimony they were there seems to be the manager saying Jay Sebring's name was on the waiting list for a table for four, though he never saw them himself, and a waitress claiming to have served the four, though she was unable to identify them afterwards from photos!
It's possible the manager wanted to get the restaurant on the map, so invented the whole 'dinner for four' story and told a waitress to back his claim by saying she served them. If so, job done because El Coyote has been a big tourist attraction for the last 50 years thanks to the Sharon Tate/Manson murders connection.
@@glamdolly30 You took the words right out of my mouth 👍
Plus, they were not unknowns. At 10, I knew who SharonTate & JSebring were.
@@swimlaps1 Yep - definitely a PR job by the restaurant manager. Which was very successful for 50-odd years and counting!
"Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" was a great movie that showed El Coyote as their final dining location but who knows now? Intriguing.
That El Coyote restaurant still exists.
@@jlbaker2000 That's true, J.B. I heard their food's pretty good but never went there...
That movie was a joke! About as real as Frankenstein! Never really cared for most of his movies - they are a joke! Rather watch the Flinstones cartoon instead!
@@chriswarner7967 I get your point, Chris. I wasn't a fan of the ending but the details were incredible. Yabba dabba doo!
If you want to watch a movie that was as factual as what happened watch "Helter Skelter" 1979? it will make you check your doors and make sure they are locked and have a handgun ready! I was just a kid and watched it by myself and it was scary!
Scott...You really are a treasure! Your knowledge and ability to recall not only the big things but the seemingly trivial details that make so many of your videos amazingly entertaining. I don't know how you do it or, what is going to be the next chapter in your life, but I sure hope you will continue to put out videos that are just as amazing for your loyal fans! Thank you!
I was going there since 67.Was crowded and a lot of fun. Many celebrities ate there. They did not need a MANSON connection...
Thank God for Scott Michaels 💙✌🏼
Dear Scott, so glad to see you expand your vlogging. Economic times dictated what will turn out to be a very valuable and profitable addition to your excellent body of work. Keep up the good work, man.
Thank you so much! Glad you like them and appreciate you watching them.
@@DearlyDepartedTours when are you opening your dearly departed museum again I hope it reopened by the time I hopefully recover from my illness maybe in a year and a half? You missed a great opportunity with the recent death of Lisa Loring the original Wednesday addams...may she rest in peace...
I lived in Hollywood most of my life. I've dined at the El Coyote hundreds of times. 35 years ago when I first started going to EL Coytote there were waitresses that were still working there that had worked there the night Sharon and her friends had dined and they indeed told me the corner table was where they all had sat. That is indeed the table.
Bullshit 🤦♂️
Debra Tate debunked the "El Coyote dinner" a long time ago. Sharon had the intention to stay home with Jay as she was not feeling well from the heat and pregnancy. Plus, the fact that the waitress does not remember nor the manager remember any of them being there... That says more than enough.
Thank you for watching. All respect to Debra, she wasn't there so she can't really debunk it - that's why I was going with the science.
Debra has no way of knowing, but Debra being Debra, pretends that she does. See my above post.
She also said she would pulled a cliff and stopped killers. (She didnt say cliff obviously im making comparison)
@@DearlyDepartedTours I meannnnnn there is a way she could know. She called Sharon that night to ask if she and friends could come over to get a saddle, but Sharon declined since she wasn’t feeling well and didn’t want to get ready for guest. But she told her she could come over the next day.
Ever read "Helter Skelter"?......page 85, the waitress that served them confirms they were there plus the manager on duty recalls seeing Sebring's name on the reservation list with a table for four requested.
Thanks Michael, that was awesome. Little snips have more meaning. This autopsy report was cringingly interesting.
Good info, great investigation. Lu
If you haven't seen "Don't Make Waves" it's a must see. Sharon Tate has many scenes in the movie. And yes she could turn heads.
That was the cheesiest POS movie. even Tony Curtis thought of it as an embarrassment
90 years, wow, seems like a long time for LA.
It's possible Sharon had sat at that booth as she did like going there, just maybe not 'that' night. I guess we'll never know for sure if they were there. Thanks for the vids, this case continues to fascinate me.
I don't think they were ever there think the owner made it up to get more business.
@@addicted367 could be!! 💯💯
Maybe they got home delivery
I'm so happy to to see you are transitioning to youtube. My family loved going on your tours and hopefully we can join one again soon. My mother took every one of my friend group and boyfriend on a Dearly Departed Tour ❤
Since Sharon told even her sister she wasn't feeling it for guests to come over and nobody remembers them in the restaurant, it sounds like they were never there that night. This was a group of adult,s so maybe people just ate what and if they wanted to there at the house on Cielo that night?
Read the book when I was in my teens. Was very frightening to read but started my interest in police investigations.
Thank you, Scott. Interesting as always. I’ve always found the saddest thing to be how one of the Manson crew, during the trial, said that Abigail kept crying out for her mother. Simply heartbreaking.
I wish we didn’t have to share our planet with people who refuse to turn their lives over to God or good.
Being on a waiting list isn't the same as a reservation. If there are more parties than tables a wait list is started even at places that don't take reservations.
I am so incredibly grateful you do what you do. Thank you, Scott.
Scott, being in nursing for much of my teenage years as a nursing assistant, and as an adult a nurse. I can shed some light on the urinating and defficating after death, I'll answer it this way. Most people after they pass will urinate and sometimes dedicate. Most coroner's will not know this because in general people are cleaned up by a nursing facility or hospital before being released to the coroner. Murder scenes of coarse are different. I can only speak for the later.
I really enjoy your videos on the Tate LaBianca murders and learn something new every time. I read Helter Skelter as a 16 year old and didn't sleep for a week! I loved watching your documentary 6 Degrees of Separation, I found it very informative. You truly bring out why everyone is still fascinated to this day with Charles Manson and the year that shocked Los Angeles. I hope you'll always be around to bring us the best in death, lol! Your a true death hag.
Jill Gross
Thank you, Wayne!
I agree with you Wayne. I was a emt for years and in cases of cardiac arrest it was common for the patient, because of relaxation at death to urinate and/or deficate.
Hey Jill. I was born as Janice Gross, nice to see another Gross out here. My name is my marriage of course. My grandpa was Carl Gross in Hague N. Dakota. I love Scott for all his great information too!
Maybe Sebring called for a table, but they never went because Sharon wasn’t up to it?
I wonder if the murderers thought she wasn’t home. Her Red Ferrari was being repaired so she had a rental parked in the garage. Maybe the plan was to ambush the three, or possibly just Frykowski and Folger because of a drug connection. They had the run of that house for most of that year. Just a thought.
From what I heard read and did some research it didn't really matter who was there or who wasn't there . The Manson murderers didn't even know Sharon and others they were going there on one mission only to kill whoever was there that night. Susan Atkins had bragged to her cellmates shorty before her cellmates had reported her involvement in those brutal killing . Susan had told her cellmates she and other Manson followers didn't know Sharon Tate and the others and it didn't really matter to them because everybody in that house was going to die that night.
@@darrellwheeler6088 Sharon and her photographer, Shahrokh Hatami, actually met Charles Manson a few months before the murder, looking for Terry Melcher. He was sent to the other house where he talked to the landlord, Rudi. He told Charles he didn't live there anymore and told him that he was going on a long trip to Europe so don't bother coming back anytime soon asking me about him. Shahrokh Hatami yelled at him and told him to leave. Sharon asked Shahrokh Hatami who that "creepy man" was. Abigail was once neighbors with Mama Cass. Mama Cass made Charles Manson leave one her parties. Jay is believed to have known Tex Watson when he sold wigs for a living. I also heard that some Manson family members once partied at the house and swam in their pool. It seemed like everyone knew each other somehow. There was a big web of connections. I heard that Jay and Voytek took advantage of a drug dealer (Billy Doyle) who was out of it. He and Voytek "violated him" by pulling down his pants and humping his butt, and flogging him like an alpha dog. Cass had a relationship with Pic Dawson. Pic and Billy were friends. This is reported in Tom O'Neill's book, CHAOS. So I think the motives for the murders were 1:) Get revenge of Jay and Voytek for humilation, and not getting good drugs 2:) take out Abigail because she couldn't get the connected to the Mamas and Pappas, and eliminate her as the next of kin for the Folger inheritance 3:) scare the hell out of rich, famous celebrities and musicians because Charles Manson and his crew were never given a record deal, and 4:) kill off the hippie movement which supported communist ideology and destroyed conservative, Christian values. Hippies were viewed as anti-American, military-hating people. They opposed the Vietnam War.
When I went to California in 1981 I made a point of my LA visit to eat at the El Coyote. It pretty awesome it's still there and looks as it did all those years ago and is still in business.
Yes!!!! I’ve been waiting for this one!!! Thank you & I can not wait to see what you came up with!!
I find it hard to believe Sharon Tate was there and no one remembered her. She was strikingly beautiful and extremely pregnant. Those kind of people tend to get noticed and remembered. I was also thinking those poor people. When they ate whatever they ate as their last meal, they could not have fathomed someone would later cut them open and index that meal.
YEP SATAN WAS DEFFO THERE THAT NIGHT !!!!!
I've always thought the same thing. You have the most beautiful woman/actress in the world eating at your resteraunt & noone remembers her?? Also, the waitress would have remembered Jay, he was so gorgeous... this is so odd..
@@ForeverAlansGirl Maybe they weren't well known to the public. Many high-profile people knew Jay because he cut their hair. I hate to be mean but Sharon was a B-movie actress. Not a household name yet. She may not have been wearing makeup. I bet some people could have walked right by Taylor Swift while she is jogging and not even notice her.
@@IanP1963idiot 🤦♂️
I also read that it was Sharon 's favorite restaurant, that was her preferred booth, and Jay made reservations for that night. They could have decided to dine in and not actually gone, but the lore survived because of Jay's reservations.
According to Sharon's sister Deborah who had a conservation with Sharon over phone a couple hrs before the murders on that horrible night. Debra had said that Sharon Jay Abigail and Voctec Frykoski did not go to any restaurant that night because Sharon was very tired due her condition and advance pregnancy and wanted to stay at home and relaxs and also because of the swelted heat from that summer. Which make a lot more sense since nobody didn't remember seeing any of them there.Jay probably made reservations to go there that night but probably nobody didn't go because Sharon wasn't feeling up to going out that night and I believe her sister Deborah story. Plus Deborah had also asked Sharon could she come over to spend a night at her house that same horrible night but Sharon had told her sister Deborah no not tonight she wasn't feeling well due to her advance pregnancy maybe another time. Not realizing that her life and others were going to end within a couple hrs after talking to her sister Deborah for the last time. Deborah was very close to being killed that same horrible night had her sister Sharon giving her the ok to come over to spend a night
@@darrellwheeler6088 The others could have gone to El Coyote w/o Tate. The fact that they were not remembered by the restaurant staff is "unremarkable."
It very likely that they didn't go to that restaurant that same terrible night because Sharon' Tate's sister Deborah who had talked to Sharon that same terrible night just a couple hrs before the murders had occurred she said Sharon and the others did not go to any restaurant that night because she was very tired and her advance pregnancy and also the swelted heat that summer which makes a lot more sense. I do believe her story because she and Roman were the last people to speak to her over the phone just shortly before her tragic and senseless death.
@@darrellwheeler6088 Jay, Voytek,and Ms. Folger might very well have gone to El Coyote for dinner, and they probably did, for the woes of advanced pregnancy could have hardly affected them the same way it affected Sharon.
@@apointofinterest8574 That is possible.
This is a great vlog, Scott. Very interesting and informative.
I have always been morbidly fascinated about the whole Manson family thing as I remember hearing as a very small child snippets of it on the news.
When I was working at the library I happen to read that Helter Skelter book. It was good.
Tarantino did a good thing having you as a consultant or technical advisor as you know your stuff.
Not for nothing but anyone who ever saw Sharon for the first time said she would take your breath away. She was just that incredibly beautiful. So certainly someone eating at The El Coyote that night would have remembered seeing her walk by
Hi Scott! Always enjoy your videos!! 🤗🤗🤗
Really good video Scott. We will never really know what dinner they had. Watching a movie being made would be an amazing experience. Seeing the actors play their parts would be haunting. Happy 90 years El Coyote. Can you please do a video or podcast on the Playboy bunnies deaths...
We are all indebted to Scott and Mike Dorsey for the production of "The Six Degrees of Helter Skelter." Scott remains a national treasure for his interests and his talent for producing such unique and interesting videos. Stay cool and hydrated in Palm Springs.
Ok 2 things did anyone see all the orbs when Scott shows the book , with everyone being so scared I don't think anyone would confess to see the 4party in the restaurant. Great coverage!!!!!!!!
I thought I was going crazy! Thanx that I'm not the only one. 🙏
Yeah really freaked me out also. I wish SCOTT would comment on it. Thanks for the solid!
@@guysee3669 Solid what...?
I find it suspicious that no one remembers them from that night.
I was manager and waited tables at a restaurant for 5 years. I remember my customers very well, especially if they came in frequently. But even if I sat someone or served someone and the next day the paper said they were murdered I would of been like “holy crap they ate ______ last night”
"Would _have_ been," not "would _of_ been," and how is the fact that a waitress 50-some years ago did not have as good a memory as you do in any way suspicious?
Vincent used Manson's own con-job BS against him. It got the job done and made a great intriguing story book.
Hi Scott, great vlog. This has always fascinated me also, I was about 11 when this happened and my family lived only about 15 miles away. I remember what a huge news story it was at the time.
I loved that movie once upon a time in Hollywood, I jumped out of my chair screaming I was so happy with it!! I bet people who saw it in the theatre screamed out too!!! Anyone know?
Not when I went. However I was the only one who stayed till the very end so all the rest of the movie goers missed the Red Apple scene!
I cried and elated. I said to my daughter this is what should have happened I read the book ago 15 first page states this book will scare the hell out of you
Buglosi was right
@@ShannonLee1956 Yep same with me but it wasn't scary because in reality she died and in that film it was 'if she had survived' - so a fictional fest really !!!!
Excellent Documentary
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I watched it without adds on Pluto tv. And yes awesome documentary
Yeah that was very good!!! First time I found out he was from Detroit Michigan, among other things!
Do you have the link? Thank you.
You literally have the best job in the world... Thanks for sharing.
My mom had that book. Growing up that book was always on our bookshelf
I was able to eat there at the same booth with a friend who worked in the industry.
That was one of my best road trips ever! Food wasn’t too bad either.
Watching the ending to that film… I cried so violently I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I wanted it to be real, I want it to be real…
You are THE expert on this case , your research is heartfelt.
Very little evidence that they were there, I've always been on the fence
Love your work Scott, keep up the great work
I'm going to go all paranormal geek here: *OMG! When he is showing the book, look at all the ORBssss that go passsst!!!*
Scott I'm A Big Sharon Tate Fan Great Video 👍
There was no mention of reservations, only a wait list. As in, "We have a 20 minute wait, can I get a name for your party?"
Which would mean they were there
Read the book year's ago. Scared me reading it!
Great video, Scott! I'm catching up on all your videos.
Omg Scott I almost cried just watching it at the theater. I can’t imagine being there.
Another great video! Keep up the great work Scott! Agree about Bugliosi!
Scott your videos are always great to watch and so informative. Thank you so much for what you do.
Thanks for watching!
It's pronounced doo-ow-DEE-nuhm, actually.
This is great and Thanks Scott!!❤️
Thanks so much for another fantastic video. Regarding what happened or didn’t happen, where they ate or didn’t eat sounds to me that for the night of filming you were there, they were there and it will never be forgotten.
As always, fascinating and well done, Scott. Hope you are well.
great one Scott!
Another interesting video on the books, Scott. "Helter Skelter" is the only book I ever read in one sitting. I don't remember the date, but I bought the paperback as soon as it came out, so I'm old.
I had the paperback years ago to and read it but I just purchased another copy but this one is hardback I’m rereading it
It is still going - I bought it a few years ago in paperback in Britain !!!!
7/27/69 R.I.P. Gary Hinman
Scott , I know you have a lot on your plate , but if you get a chance , a video about Gary Hinman would be interesting
Thank you for all you do
Fascinating video, Scott! I need to check out El Coyote next time I’m in LA. Meet me there for dinner?
There is some weird info and or speculation that the killers may have been stalking Sharon, Sebring, and the others. One night while Sebring and co. Were at his home...the same home once owned by Jean Harlowe, someone may have attempted to cut the wires...possibly phone wires to the house, but instead, had tripped a wire that caused the lighting outdoors to either come on or burn brighter than usual. This incident caused the killers to flee. This may have been the first attempt by members of the Manson family to kill the occupants at the house on 10500 Cielo Drive. Don't know if this is true or not.
I’ve heard that too but there’s no physical proof of it. That’s why I went with this, some thing I could actually work with. The other stuff is just conjecture. I appreciate you watching, thank you
@@DearlyDepartedTours The cable guy was interviewed and he did confirm that actually happened.
@JoesVinylShow1980 indeed and this will be covered in Chaos 2 by Tom O'Neill and about more findings of Steven Parent story. Can't wait for its release and if that's true about the night before at Jay's place is true then this differently blows the whole Helter-skelter bullshit narrative out of the water and or the final nail in the BS narrative.
My daughter and I visited Scott last summer for the Departed tour. After we met Scott and posed with him, we went to El Coyote and ate burritos and drinks. Now I go there every time I'm in LA. Swiped a menu on the way out!
Regarding the book, I was about 8 years old or so when I stumbled across it in the mid-70s. The creepiest thing was the black and white pictures in the middle of the book that were whited out of the victims of the crime scenes. I knew that there was something terrible, something horrible that the publisher or author or whoever edits the book was saving the reader from. M parents let me watch the movie on TV and of course, it really bothered me and couldn’t sleep for days. Almost 50 years after reading this book it still strikes so much terror thinking about all the victims of the Manson family and I’ve hated hippies ever since. Lol!
You wound up hating hippies. The CIA accomplished their mission.
I have your dvd on Manson. Found you have a channel. To my pleasant surprise.
I'd hope your followers get to see the documentary on Manson you did. Very in depth. Love the presentation. And how you went to even the difficult places to show as much to us.
Again so glad to see you have channel. Sub and bell. 👍❤
Great video Scott. Please keep making these! I purchased your "Six Degrees of Helter Skelter" and love it too. I usually re-watch it once a year. Great info.
I have it to on DVD I watch it a lot
My Boss recommended your channel for me, he's a fan. Now I really enjoy being here too. Thank you!
Thank you and your boss!
Fascinating information as always regarding the Tate murders. I grew up in LA and have gone several times to the El Coyote with friends. Their food is so-so but the drinks are cheap and strong. It's a part of L.A. history whether Sharon and her friends visited or not.
I could believe no one remembered the other 3. I can't believe Sharon Tate could go anywhere and someone not notice her. Even if she wasn't a celebrity she would be remembered by someone.
I agree, noone remembers the most beautiful woman in the world being in their restrraunt?? Also, as a woman, Jay was eye candy.. someone would have remembered him too...this is so odd..
@@ForeverAlansGirl without the beautifying power of makeup and expensive, fashionable clothes, some female celebrities can go out in public and not be asked for an autograph. Only her friends would instantly recognize her. Sharon, I heard, was a thrifty clothes shopper.
I have heard that the book Helter Skelter has some holes in its logic. I do appreciate your stories as you present them.
Some? It's a complete fabrication by Bugliosi to sell his book. I recognise your pic and I'm sure like me are subscribed to Paulcast who exposes Bugliosi crap and what a POS he was as well Nancy Farrell from True Crime & Moonlight.
Love your videos ❤
Say, Scott can you do a vlog on the last days of Yvonne De Carlo?
Oooooh I LOVE YVONNE DECARLO !!!
I wish the ending was real life ❣️
Thank you Scott...if I ever make to LA..you would be on my list for a tour!!! Have a great day
Wow, really cool video. I live in Ireland and will probably never get to see these cool places in person, so very much appreciate these videos. Does anyone know what ever happened to the original cars from cielo at the time. Jay sebrings porsche etc?? Anyone know where those cars are today? Many thanks 🙏☘️☘️☘️
Thank you so much Scott for posting this video. I really enjoyed it, keep up the wonderful work you do.
Excellent work as always
Thanks Scott, et al, that was great! Pepperoni (if thats what it says..) and Olives? They could have gone to a pizza joint..
That book was absolutely terrific!!! Loved it as a kid.
I knew nothing about Manson and his followers until many years ago. This being the reason I am so engrossed in this tragedy.
Great Commentary from you. Thanks☺
Big fan scott
A waiting list is different than a reservation. On a Friday night in Los Angeles even then you would have to add your name to the wait lost until a table was available hence their wait in the bar area. A wait list isn't a reservation
REST IN PEACE SHARON TATE.
Amen ❤
Scott ur videos make my boring weekends and evenings soooo much better! thank u! x
Thanks Scott, very interesting video!
Enjoyed as always!!
Vince had his “writer” in court everyday during the trials. The book Chaos is a great read today.
Amen
I went on the tragical history tour when I was in LA. We did not go into Benedict Canyon or up to Cielo Drive. I definitely would have remembered it. I’ve been obsessed with this case since I was a kid. I was 4 when the murders happened
I heard the residents on the private section of Cielo Drive are tired of tourists walking up the street, and sometimes yell at them. Not much to see since the original house has been torn down since the early 90s. You will just see a gate. Whoopee.
The one problem I have with the El Coyote scene is they enter the restaurant around 7 pm and it's dark outside. At 7 pm on August 8th, it would be a full sun early evening. Other than that, perfection. The other thing: I was born in LA in July, 1968 and was alive during the murders. My parents were active "scavenger hunters" and apparently had the Spahn Ranch sign and used it for a chicken coup! I passed by the remnants of the ranch "back in the day" and you couldn't distinguish it from it's surroundings. I was always obsessed with the Manson crimes, but nowadays I couldn't care less about Manson or his accomplices, and more about the innocent victims of their horrific crimes.
Thank you for this video. I think the gentlemen had the soup and drinks. I heard Jay really liked there tortilla soup. The beans and corn kinda seals it for me saying they ate there. But it's weird no one remembers them. And if Debra says she doesn't think they went 🙄🤔 then I'm confused but then again I don't see them whipping up dinner in the kitchen that nite. Pepperoni and olives sharon may have had some at home for her pregnant cravings when they got back. Love you scott
Wonder if being so pregnant and it being hot (and El Coyote can get stuffy inside) if she didn't eat there and got some comfort food at home. And does anyone have a menu from that time period? Some dishes come, and some go (they lost several due to Covid closures). When I thought of Pepperoni, I thought of Pepperoncini or Peperoncino. The reservation (did they take them back then?) was on a Friday which would be very busy. I did eat there once inadvertantly on one of the anniversaries and remember Billy mentioning it.
Thank you, what I love about you is that you try so hard to bring out the truth in other words keeping it rearl. Great job please keep it up.
Quite fascinating! I can only imagine what an emotional experience it was for you to witness the portrayal especially as muchas you have become familiar with those involved. as with most everyone else, if only the film ending had been the real one for them.
I loved this! So interesting to see the actual sign.
Really love all the work and content you share with us! Thanks!
Really enjoyed this vlog Scott .❤🌝
Sharon was a pretty big star at that time in 1969, I would think a few, if not several people, would have noticed her and remembered seeing her there if she actually was there.
A few actually claim to have seen them - again NO proof. I don't mean it's NOT possible, I'm saying there is no real proof. Thanks for watching.
To whom would you compare her based on fame nowadays?
@@vapalaca She wasn't a leading actress, but she was in several films with big stars, married to a very famous director, friends with the super famous, and exceptionally beautiful. All those things amplified her fame more than her acting career alone. I can't think of anyone to draw a parallel, but who would you say?
@@Downy22 that’s a tough one. I’m thinking and I can’t come up with anyone.
@@DearlyDepartedTours I love watching your videos keep up the good work
Great stuff… thanks for sharing!
I love Alison. I met her at El Coyote the night of the Dearly Departed Weekend. She’s a treasure, just like you.
She's the bees knees. And an eyewitness to my 2 + Cadillacs.